Honesty vs. Drive (Hour 2)

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Coming up, we're going to get into a couple of fun topics.

Got some mod stories here and there.

A good one right here, about three job interview answers

that could end your chances.

We're going to get both sides of that, I think.

I think we can give a bunch of good names.

Probably, and I was thinking about it without even knowing the story.

What about, you know, you really don't want somebody to lie either.

You know what I mean?

So you can't...

This is what I want to get into about it with embellishing

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Let's take a look at a little bit of entertainment news.

Last month on the new Heights podcast,

Taylor Swift shared her current obsession of making sourdough bread.

And she said she's been working on a fun fettie version

for Jason Kelsey's daughters.

And Pillsbury saw the dollar signs

and created a limited edition Funti sourdough bread new.

Mix.

Sorry, mix.

A fun fettie sourdough bread mix.

I think young people...

Well, maybe not just young people.

But people who bake or cook,

sourdough is just the hot trend right now.

And on that, I know that a little while ago,

if it still isn't birthday cake flavor or fun fettie or whatever,

that's been huge.

Even my mom for a while there was like an over...

Like in anything.

Yeah, not just in sourdough.

Yeah, she shared her ice cream.

She loved that birthday cake flavor.

I mean, what is the deal?

Sprinkles or sprinkles?

I don't know.

It's lost on me.

But people are like it.

Taylor likes it.

And they won't be hitting the shelves

because only 1,500 boxes were made.

But smart move by them.

Each fun fettie sourdough box costs 10 bucks,

free shipping.

The mix includes sourdough bread mix,

fun fettie sprinkles,

and a packet of yeast.

You can order it at funfettie.com.

It's already out there.

So you can order it anytime you want.

I mean, we all kind of see this as a marketing grab and everything.

But that don't mean it's a bad idea.

No.

You have to take care.

I mean, right?

You see an opportunity?

Take it.

Yeah, yeah.

I'm curious to see the other things that will be blown up

because this really...

I understand that Taylor Swift is attached to it

and outside of that, the Kelsey brothers.

And both of those entities are famous on their own,

let alone when you put them together.

But even with that,

podcasts are being a little bit more of that thing,

where it's...

I don't think...

I think that they've really...

They're figuring this out.

Maybe they're figuring it out.

But influencers aren't working.

They're not seeing the payoff.

No matter who the influencer you point to,

the most popular names in podcasting

or on YouTube or TikTok or anything like that,

businesses are not seeing the benefit financially.

But plenty of them are seeing their name out there.

Seeing their name trending or something like that.

That's the new...

That's almost the new finishing in the black

for your business as well.

We spent a little more than we meant to here,

but we are also being talked about,

like we've never been talked about before.

But brand recognition has always been

a really important part of a marketing plan.

So I think it's just being done in a different way.

So then when I do need something

or I'm looking for something for baking,

I'm like, oh, Pillsbury.

You know what I mean?

Like it sticks in your mind.

The whole, you know, attached celebrities are not,

but literally the whole sourdough craze right now

is just kind of interesting to me.

Like I think it's kind of funny.

It reminds me, the last time I heard people

so crazy about bread was like back when

I was watching women fight over bread machines at Yonkers.

You know, like what the bread makers first came out?

It was scary.

It was kind of like stand back and turn away

because otherwise you're going to be in the middle of something.

I remember that.

It was like the adult cabbage patch.

Yeah, it was a little crazy.

You can imagine working in the industry at the time.

Yeah.

Like I said, you just kind of turn and don't watch.

Just look at that.

Oh, I'm needed over here.

Okay.

It's like a bad horror movie scene.

Kind of.

Kind of.

Yeah, finding some blinds to pick through.

But you know, even our good friends over at Wednesday

Technical College recently, you know,

they have like continuing education opportunities

and a really good friend of mine took their sourdough baking class.

And learned all different, you know,

different ways, different tips, tricks.

So it's, it's the, it's the thing.

I love bread.

Bread is one of my favorite things.

I love, love, love bread.

I'm going to lose people on this one.

That's the one bread I don't like.

I don't care.

See, I'm not a big fan.

I don't get it.

I don't get it.

But I, you know, teach their own.

And I love the idea of making bread.

Even to the point, I'd make sourdough bread.

I just wouldn't eat it.

But I'd make it.

I like bread.

I love bread.

Don't make it.

I was going to clean up behind you.

No, I'm not going to.

You did make it.

It would stop being popular.

The, the, the instant I bought the ingredients.

As soon as I was like, they, they, they would just get out there

of the masses.

And like, no, this isn't cool anymore.

Somebody who is always cool, Laney Wilson.

She has a strong, she has a strong of a southern twang

as an artist in any country music.

You can hear it.

And I would say, maybe her, one of her newest singles

is an exact, a great example of this.

Somewhere over Laredo.

The way she sings Laredo, I've never heard anybody sing it that way.

There's something in it.

And it's in part because of her natural accent that kind of comes out in her singing.

Which you don't hear with a lot of artists.

Think about how many artists that are from other countries that sing in English.

You would never know that are, that are able to do that.

So it's, it's funny listening to her talk about trying to tone it down.

She was being interviewed and talked about a recent audition she had,

where at the end they asked her to do it again, but without an accent.

And she told casting, y'all, this is about to be funny.

And I'm not even trying to be funny.

If I ever do that, it will definitely take some work.

I'll need to talk to a professional to figure out how to not talk like this.

Well, and I don't know.

I think there's something refreshing about her.

Like, why?

I try to pull it back.

Yeah.

Well, if you're, to me, if you're, I've been dealing with this a long time.

As I mentioned earlier, since at least 2005, 2007,

I've been auditioning professionally.

And I have had very few interactions with casting directors that didn't involve something like this.

Hey, can you be a little shorter?

Can my nose be different?

Um, things like that.

They throw these things at you.

And some of it is intended or in needed.

And I get it.

And then there's other things where it's kind of like, well, why did you even bring me in?

So she was interviewing for an acting position.

Oh, I thought you meant this was like for her music.

I'm like, why?

Her voice is her voice.

I get it.

You do have to fit a role.

I get that.

But I, okay, I, I just misunderstood this.

Yeah.

She, uh, she did this as she was being interviewed and talked about a recent audition.

And I think that's where, yeah, I got a little confusing.

But luckily for her, she said most of the part she's going out for right now are okay with her accent.

Um, I would love to see her doing a normal act, like trying to do this.

I know that, I think that'd be pretty good.

Um, and honestly, if that existed, it'd probably be out there because she'd share.

She's one of these people that to your point before I think it's one of the things that is, is not only, not only is she incredibly talented.

And man, is she a great MC?

This lady cannot just sing.

She can host.

She can MC.

Um, she has got so much in front of her right now.

I cannot imagine how, uh, where she can take her career.

It just keeps going this route.

And especially being who she is, keeping her feet on the ground and everything.

One of the things that I think is playing into her favor.

And I don't, I don't make light of this.

I don't say this lightly.

And it's not to say that if you come from a great background or a privileged background that you can't be great.

We've seen plenty of people do that.

But there is something about, uh, I was talking about this was set the other day.

When you listen even to this day or latent their careers to Willie Nelson or Johnny Cash or Dolly Parton,

there's something in their voice that's in there.

No matter what the song is, no matter if it's a high or low song or whatever lyrics they're singing,

there's something in their voice.

These are people that have not forgotten who they are, where they're from, where they came from.

I hear that in Laney Wilson.

I hear that in Chris Stapleton.

I hear that in some artist still, where it's still there.

And, you know, hey, you got to hang on to that.

You know, it can be lost.

But, uh, it gives me the, like, I bet on her.

I would bet on her in the next 10 years, still, like 10 years from now still being as relevant as she is now.

I agree.

And that's saying something in the, in the music industry, man.

I mean, if you could stay relevant for five years, it's saying something.

Let alone as long as I think of a career she's going to have.

Uh, and of course, uh, we continue with a little bit of more.

Oh, look at this Miranda Lambert showed up in her news.

How did I, I didn't plan that.

It just showed up here.

I'm sorry.

It's funny that you pull this from Googling Miranda Lambert, not from Googling news.

I didn't, don't look at my laptop.

You don't want to look at my laptop.

No, Miranda Lambert.

Miranda Lambert just helped the Academy of Country Music raise more than $420,000

to benefit a wide range of charities.

Uh, it was called ACM presents wine in country.

And it was held at the legendary Hurst Castle in California.

The event was head, uh, headlined by a sold out performance by Miranda herself.

ACM lifting lives, Miranda's mutt nation foundation.

And the Hurst Cancer Resource Center were just some of the charities that benefited from this great event.

Um, here is what the CEO of ACM had to say about it.

Quote, we're so thrilled to have gone back to our California roots to celebrate country music

and raise money for important charities in this beautiful, unique setting.

Miranda shared some pretty cool shots and that of her in this.

Uh, it's, it's a cool thing.

It's, you know, if we're not talking about a new single or we're not talking about her doing something,

you know, winning some, um, you know, a ribbon or something like that of the, uh, a county fair

or a horse show or something like that.

We were talking about Miranda Lambert and her mutt nation foundation or her raising money,

uh, recently for the flood victims.

Uh, just, she's always doing stuff like this.

She, she really is a great philanthropist.

Like it's, yeah, it's awesome.

She's, I love her efforts.

I think she is one of the prime examples of why we, when we talk about celebrities,

and we have to remember not only that they're people just like us,

but that, um, they, there is some good that can come from that star.

There's some good that can come from that power.

You don't want celebrities to just shut up and dribble.

You don't want celebrities to just keep to themselves or anything like that.

I know that there are plenty of people that could care less about.

I'm not necessarily talking about who's, who's voting for anything like that.

But that is part of this.

And, and you have to take all of it together.

If you don't want one thing, you don't get the other.

That's how this works.

You know what I love about her though is she recognizes that all,

any all contributions have such a huge impact.

Because let's be real.

That story, you said it raised $400,000.

That's chump change in their world.

Yeah.

In, in the world of the nonprofits, they're impacting.

It is game changing.

Yeah.

So, you know, I, I just, I love that about her because I, there's a lot of celebrities too,

who would be like, oh, it has to raise four million.

But it doesn't.

400,000 is going to make a huge impact.

Just as talented as she is.

Wonderful.

Just a good soul.

Good on her.

Nice tip of the cowboy had to miss my Lambert right there.

Want to look at what's new on your small screen and new on your big screen this weekend.

A lot of TV show, a lot of networks are doing this now, Terry.

Tonight on CBS, CBS first fall look, you get a preview of some of the shows coming up in fall.

Really interesting year.

I don't know if I've seen this many times.

I believe there is one scripted new, one new scripted comedy in the fall lineup for all the networks.

I don't.

Interesting.

I don't pay attention.

You're not alone.

Not a lot of people are.

And I think this is part of the reason to be honest with you.

I think that people want comedies and they're not making comedies anymore because they're afraid of them because they don't always, you know, hit.

For every friends, there's Herman's head.

There's shows that just don't work out and everything.

But that's, that's the point of TV is to take chances.

You know, there's a billion people, a billion shows out there already.

Why not try some new stuff?

I don't know.

If TV wants to fix itself, that is where it's, it should start.

Is, is trying to be what TV always used to be an original and, and trying different things instead of just trying to be this old same old.

We'll see if you're curious.

You can check that out.

I know I'll be checking this out Saturday night on CNN Farm Aid 40.

Oh, it's so cool.

It's so cool.

If you get a chance to check this out, if you've never checked it out before, go ahead and throw into your Googler or something.

Farm Aid any year and see some of the performances.

I just, yesterday morning before the sunrise show, I was looking at a bunch of highlights and I was watching Willie Nelson.

I was going to say Willie Nelson and his kids singing some songs together.

And it was the most, I think it was the 2024 farm aid.

So Willie's up there and his voice is not what it was or anything.

And I, it got me, it got me all.

I had to like cool myself before going on air and everything because it got me.

It was so cool to see.

Neil Young, Bob Dylan, John Millencamp, Dave Matthews, Kenny Chesney, Winona Judd, and of course the Red Headed Stranger himself, Willie Nelson will be there.

Farm Aid 40 on CNN, seven o'clock Saturday night.

Got to check that out.

Got to check that out.

I got to see at least a little of it on Sunday night football, New York Giants vs. Kansas City Chiefs.

You had me at Patrick Mahomes.

That's all it.

If it was Mahomes against New York Giants, I would watch.

That should be a good game.

Check that out.

Fox has their pre Fox Fall preview going on Sunday night, probably about eight o'clock.

I think nine o'clock somewhere around there.

And let's see.

Ooh, Lilith Fair, Building a Mystery, The Untold Story.

That's going to be a documentary on Hulu.

That looks pretty good.

Oh, interesting.

I went to Lilith Fair in Milwaukee, one year.

Did you?

Yeah.

Oh, cool.

Sarah McLaughlin was my, well, in the Dixie, I'm a Dixie Chicks fan.

You can say what you want to say.

But yeah, it was, it was fun.

We had a really good time.

We had a moment there in the 90s.

Our generation at that late those last like years there and everything where there was just so many great female singers.

Yeah.

And that Lilith Fair made such perfect.

So I'll be curious to watch that.

I'm definitely going to watch that.

That looks good.

I like document.

I began in the documentary.

And Melissa Atherage was there too.

Oh, that a bit of good.

It was just a loaded lineup in Milwaukee too.

Yeah.

Summer Festgrounds.

Such a great venue.

Such a great venue.

Not a lot of big movies coming out and wide release right now.

Big, bold, beautiful journey.

Colin Farrell and Margaret Roby played two strangers who meet in a friend's wedding and find themselves in love.

And the senior that is Rady PG, Michael Cheakles, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, so many other great roles.

I love that.

Cheakles.

He's so good.

He's in that big one in wide release is the, I guess, horror movie, him, the new, Jordan Peel movie.

It's getting a lot of talk.

You, if you've watched two seconds of YouTube, you've probably seen commercials for it.

It looks very weird, very different.

And I'm probably going to check it out.

I'll probably check it out.

I'll be honest.

A movie that's in limited release.

But you're going to be hearing about come award show season.

And this is a little weird to say.

But Waltzing with Brando starring Billy Zane as Marlon Brando.

And he is, he is getting a lot of cred for this.

Like he is apparently, he looks just like him.

Sounds just like him.

Apparently a lot of people are talking about it and saying it looks really good.

Apollo 13, the 30th anniversary will be released.

The 1995 classic starring Tom Hanks, Kevin Bacon, Gary Sinice, Bill Paxton.

Going to be in released in theaters again as well.

That's kind of cool.

I like when they do.

They're doing more and more of that.

I like that.

I think that's smart.

And we got a couple of other things.

We'll touch on them in a little bit.

We'll first take a commercial break, come back, take care of our partners.

We'll have some more fun on the morning show at WFHR.

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We hope you're having a fantastic Friday out there.

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We're going to get into some fun stuff in a little bit after our news, sports and entertainment break.

Take care of our partners.

We got three job interviews that three job interview answers that could instantly end your chances.

We're going to give you a bunch of different layers to that and get into that in just a little bit.

But I want to touch on this one real quick.

This is just short story, but I wanted to get it in.

In the 2025 UK dog surfing championship in Dorset, England.

We were all following this closely, I'm sure.

It saw three different in this world records being broken by paddle boarding poaches.

Mark Reeves.

Mark Reeves, the organizer of the annual event at Braxham Den Chine, decided this year's dog surfing championship

would include world record attempts for the most dog slash human pairs dog paddle dog boardy paddle boarding.

No, wait a minute.

It should be dog boarding.

It should be dog.

No, paddle boarding simultaneously.

The fastest 50 meter paddle boarding by a human slash dog pair and the most dogs on a single paddle board.

Oh, interesting.

That's interesting.

The first record was broken by 10 human canine pairings competing in a 50 meter 160 foot paddle board race.

And the race ended in a tie between two teams.

Matthew Jenkins and his two-year-old Shitsu along with Gigi Ben Gray and this border collie boo.

The two men and their dogs now hold the record for the fastest 50 meter paddle boarding by a human dog pair.

Okay, so it's a pair.

So it's not just the dog on the paddle board.

Yes.

Because I was trying to think how, because we have a golden retriever who loves the water.

So for me to get him to stay, I mean, obviously an exponential amount of treats.

But to get him to stay on the paddle board himself and then paddle.

I probably have to have a like a porterhouse at the end.

Yeah, you're going to have to have that stake in one hand in the paddle and the other.

Like a regular dog treat isn't going to do it.

No.

But if I was on the paddle board, then I think he would stay on there.

You know what I mean?

Like at the same time.

That would be interesting.

Yeah, yeah.

The third record proved to be the most complicated.

But organizers were able to wrangle 12 dogs onto a single paddle board and they remained in place long enough to succeed.

Successfully earned the title.

So that's going to be great.

I know.

Sometimes they got dumped off before they got it all on there.

You're a little tippy.

I don't even, I can't even imagine.

Like there is, I've seen trainers like on TV sets that would rather work with like two, three rolls than any animal.

And then at the same time, I've seen some where the dog is a better actor than anybody on the set.

It's amazing how animals could do this and how what they will do.

They're really something, especially dogs.

That's a cool one.

That's a cool story.

As we continue to cover record breakers around here.

Now I'm starting to think I want to do something.

I'm trying to break a record with my fur brother Sam.

I try to figure something out.

But I don't think Sam would be interested.

I don't think he'd really care.

Does he?

Is he a swimmer?

Like does he like the water or do not?

He does like the water a bit.

So I think we can maybe figure something out.

Yeah.

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We're going to get into our schedule in a little bit.

Touch on some events going on in our area and some good stories of the day.

Of course, we got that free ticket.

Burrow tickets were given away and stuff.

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How are the packers not using that?

A CEO from Harvard Business School came up with three phrases that can instantly kill your chances in a job interview.

If you're on the job hunt, avoid saying these things.

Now, I obviously brought this topic up in part because of the world that we're in right now in the employment situation and some of those things.

But also, I've got somebody here with me that has been done a lot of this.

You've certainly done plenty of interviews and been interviewed for jobs plenty.

But it's also your skill of interviewing potential employees that I wanted to bring you into this topic with because I feel like we can give them.

It's easy, I think, to kind of just point at these answers and say what's right about them.

What I would like to do is talk about how you can answer them better as well.

You're working deep.

Yeah.

You know, I'm just going to correct you.

I really haven't been interviewed for that many jobs.

Oh, really?

Well, I mean.

When I think about big girl jobs, right?

Like once I was an adult, like I had a management position and then was interviewed to be the manager.

So that'd be two.

Then kind of the same thing when I went to Yonkers.

So that was two more.

And now this job.

So only like five.

And how long have you been at the United Way?

You've been there 18 years.

Yeah, I was going to say almost two decades.

And 10 years, you know, at the position before that.

But that's not the norm.

But I do have done a lot of like mock interviews and practice interviews with people.

And of course, yes, I have interviewed about four million people.

You're right.

That's it.

Not really.

Somewhere around three million.

Yes, somewhere rather.

Three point here.

Here are some of those answers that CEO is talking about.

Quote, I want to start my own business someday.

You think it makes you sound like you've got big goals for the future.

But it can come across like you're planning your exit before you've even set foot in the door.

Most companies don't want to take a chance on someone who might split after a year or two.

I think it depends on the context of the question.

I mean, I agree.

That is something that's like, oh, okay.

So I'm not their end game.

And probably like five years, 10 years, let's say 10 years ago.

That would have been much more alarming than it is now because no one stays at jobs a long time anymore.

Yeah, yeah.

I hope my staff's not listening.

Everyone stays at their jobs a long time.

It's true.

You and I being in our industries for multiple decades and that is becoming more and more rare.

And what I'm encouraged by is the idea that you can, that employers are getting this.

For the most part, I would think.

Now, if somebody says this in a job interview to me, I get where they're coming from to a degree.

But I do think that there's a lot of context that can come before that.

That could be like, hey, well, this person is looking at, okay, working with me and in my industry,

they're going to be able to learn and get better for this industry that they're hoping to get to one day.

I don't know that there's a, if I've got somebody starting in a retail position,

I'm not expecting them to be in this job for the next 30 years.

I know that it's a launching pad.

It's supposed to be.

The problem is, is a lot of the pay that comes in now.

That's a whole other cut topic.

But I don't have anything against that anymore than I do if a person comes in and says, hey,

this isn't, I don't know what my future holds.

The whole, where you see yourself in five years.

But that question, I think, has like, that used to be a really popular question.

Where do you see yourself?

Five years from now, 10 years from now.

And honestly, I've kind of, so if that was the question,

where do you see yourself five years from now, 10 years from now?

Oh, I'd like to own my own business someday, right?

It shows goals, initiative, that kind of thing.

But you know what, honestly, I don't even, I've pulled my question back so far to say,

where do you see yourself two years from now, because honestly, not just nonprofit,

but in a lot of like those entry level positions, service positions,

like you were talking about, it's the level of investment that goes into training.

And then when it becomes like every two years,

you're retraining for that same, it's, it's kind of exhausting, honestly.

So, so if I asked that question,

if I asked somebody where you see yourself two years from now,

and they say, I want to own my own business, that's a point to,

that's something that's sticking in my mind.

If I'm, if it's them and another candidate, neck and neck,

that I'm going to own my, I'm going to have my own business in two years,

that has, yes, put you on a, it's not put you in the lead.

Yeah, yeah.

And in that regard, you were almost encouraging people to not be completely,

you know, open about that and everything.

And sharing all that.

Well, but maybe you also, I mean, say someday,

I would love to own my own business.

Well, maybe it's something to there where like, you know,

where do you see yourself from five years?

Or what are your plans or something like that?

Well, at this job, I'm hoping to learn the skills to be able to open my own business one day.

I would think that that's going to tell you,

oh, this person is going to be paying attention.

This person is going to be taking notes, like they got goals.

How often do we want out of our employees,

somebody who has a hunger that wants to strive that,

oh, this person's hungry in the industry.

And we use that term all the time.

This is a hungry person to me.

Now, where their focus is and all those things,

I think is a case by case thing,

and you figure that out, hopefully in the interview, if you're lucky.

I don't think we can face my hiring decision on that one question.

No, no.

Here's the other one.

Quote, I value work life balance.

Yeah, most people do.

But if you say it's one of your top priorities,

it could come across like you're not motivated to work hard.

Again, this is a case by case thing.

Now, what they're saying you should say instead is,

quote, I care about well-being,

but I'm most driven by growth and being part of a high-performing team.

I don't know what your average person is going to answer this as,

but if I'm somebody who hires people, or at least you do.

And when it came to that, this was important to me.

I wanted that out of my employees.

I'm looking for that.

Now, I'm not saying that as somebody who is crazy driven,

I wasn't going to look at them or something like that.

But in this day and age, if you're hiring,

I actually flip this question on the business,

and think that the business needs to care about this more.

And just like the employees, that's a case by case thing.

Say, if I'm a nonprofit, I don't really have that luxury.

I can't necessarily ask, I want that out of my employees.

I want that for them, certainly.

But I can understand if I'm a nonprofit that I've got to be careful about

some of these things, the first question and this question.

I think that you've got to be a little more,

you can't afford to be selective,

and at the same time you almost have to be.

See, and I think that this is one of the things that nonprofits are afforded

is to offer a good balance,

because we don't necessarily have the financial resources to offer other benefits.

So thinking about how time is balanced.

But I'd be curious about how this question,

this is talking about responses, but what is the question?

How is the question asked?

Because if I'm interviewing you and I say to you,

oh, James, tell me about, do you value work-life balance?

Well, of course the answer is going to be yes.

But if I say to you, James, tell me about your core values.

If the first thing out of your mouth is work-life balance,

to me, you're not going to be, this is just a gut reaction,

you're not a 110 percenter.

I don't expect people to, I truly, as an employer,

do value work-life balance,

and I try really hard to make sure that,

I mean, our employees know that,

but I also try to, you know, to live that, right?

But that also doesn't mean that I'm a doormat,

and you can take advantage of every little thing.

It's a balance, it's a give and take, it's a push pull,

you can demonstrate a whole bunch of ways.

But if I say to you, James, tell me about your values.

And that's the first value that you have to offer.

The Simpsons.

It's my first, oh, come on.

Give me a chance, give me a chance.

Okay, the Simpsons.

Great show.

Honestly, that'll get you more points than saying work-life balance

as your first answer.

I do think going back to this again,

we are trying to fix the boat on the water.

I mean, this is one of those things that we're trying to figure out.

I think employee, employer, all of the above.

And that's how we do it.

I think it's, and this is part of what I wanted to talk with you about,

is the differences of a business and nonprofits and some of those.

That's a great thing, a point that you bring up there,

and I appreciate that.

The final one on here, quote,

I was let go as part of my company's recent layoffs.

It might be true, but managers know that with some layoffs,

companies can take top performers

and reassign them somewhere else in the company.

And they'll be wondering why that didn't happen with you.

Again, I would think that there's an ability to give context to that.

I would think that I know they're trying to give generic answers here

to try to cover a lot of bases,

but I would think that this is a case-by-case thing as well.

And say you were laid off, but some big layoff

or something like that, you would be able to point to that,

and why you were laid off.

Instead of just saying I was laid off as a part of my company's big layoffs,

I do agree with this as far as the wording of it.

I wouldn't word it that way, but context is everything.

If you've been let go, laid off, which can be the same,

but can also be very different.

I think that you have to be prepared to respond to that,

but I feel like your level of honesty and sincerity,

that question, especially, it's required.

Because most employers, if they're not, they should be doing reference checks.

They should be checking in on things, on performance,

and maybe you weren't laid off, maybe you were let go,

and maybe you were not a great employee,

but this is an opportunity for another chance.

But what you share with the person that's interviewing you,

what you share with them, should match what they hear from the employer.

You can't paint a rosy picture of something that wasn't rosy.

Sometimes you gotta take your lump, sometimes you gotta learn from it,

and come my opinion, come from a place of sincerity versus a place of,

how do I make what happened, or whatever, look better.

Now, if I say to you, James, tell me about your most recent position.

If the first thing out of your mouth is, oh yeah, I was laid off,

because I was down side.

I mean, it's part of it, but don't lead with it.

You don't like it.

I also, to your point, or what you were touching on there a little bit about your resume,

and when you're in these interviews,

and honestly, putting your best foot forward, of course, and everything,

and you want to word your previous jobs and what you did as best as you can.

I have no problem with that.

I don't even have a problem with people, not so much embellishing,

but enhancing what you might have done.

Yeah, absolutely.

Be careful not to lie about these things.

There are so many examples of people lying on their resume,

and the chicken's coming home the roost.

I think...

It's a second time we have chicken's say.

Is there like some omen, like are you gonna say chickens a third time before we're done?

I have.

But wait, at least one more time.

Good friend of mine, Will, stand up comedian out in California.

I've mentioned Will a couple of times.

When Will was first starting out, he was looking just, I just want to gig.

I'll work anywhere.

And so his agent is like, okay, have you done birthday parties and stuff?

Of course, yeah, I've done that. Sure, sure.

How hard could that be?

And Will is thinking, oh, I'm gonna go into some adult family that wants to have a,

you know, some bunch of guys or something like that of the bachelor party.

One of those kind of, I don't know, what he was thinking necessarily actually,

but that's what his thought was.

And then, sure enough, the very next weekend, Will is doing a comedy set

for an eighth graders birthday party.

Will does not have that comedy skill set.

He did not know what to do with himself.

He...

Wow, and that age especially, I mean, you're in a...

You have to be totally censored, but you have to, yeah.

Like, there's a whole bunch of things there.

Oh my God, it was a train wreck for him.

I happened to be there.

It was awesome.

Well, I wasn't at the birthday party.

Wow, I was like, that's a little creepy.

We were roommates at the time at everything and he comes...

He wears a assistant?

No, he left and he was so excited for this.

And he came home and I, to this day, I've never seen him more devastated.

I saw that guy miss out on the last comic-standing audition.

I've seen him miss out on some great opportunities.

Not like this one, where he was just so defeated.

Because he went there and he tried to be funny

and these kids did not find him funny.

And as a grown man, when your job is making people laugh

and you can't make eighth graders laugh, that's...

Yeah, don't lie in your resume.

There.

You know, and something you said about putting your best foot forward

and I think there is something to that.

So, obviously, we're going to be honest.

But I don't know what do we want to call it.

Maybe a little sugar coating, right?

You know, these are the best things that I bring to the table.

And of course, I'm going to make those look good, sound good, feel good.

But there's also something about honesty and integrity.

But also being able to speak well of your strengths.

That also shows that you have ambition.

It shows that you care.

So, there's certainly a balance.

But I wouldn't, if you're asked, you know, about your...

Tell me about your most recent job or your current job.

You know, leading with that, but there's also...

You know, I've been in a position where someone didn't disclose to me

that they were like, oh, from their last job.

You know, they kind of led me to believe that they were maybe still working there.

Well, guess what?

I decided I took a chance.

Anyway, that person didn't work out because that was, for me, early on in my hiring,

I should have recognized that was a red flag.

And it was just show...

I mean, once the person was there, it was like...

It was a demonstration of their personality that I should have paid attention to.

These are those things to not only keep in mind again as an employer,

but employees out there.

And when you're in these interviews and not only putting your best foot forward,

but, you know, believing in yourself and being honest about yourself,

all of this comes, you know, full circle.

You know what else?

If you're in an interview and you're maybe not sure what the answer is or how you should answer,

like 30 seconds of silence is okay.

Yeah.

Don't just spew the first that, like, think through your answer.

No one's going to hold that against you.

It's a really good point.

Thank you, Terry.

Sometimes that happens.

You know, it's like...

Oh, yeah.

You feel like you're on a game show in some ways.

You know, afterwards you come home and, like, you're talking about your friend,

you know, but you come back and it's like, oh, how'd it go?

Well, you know, this, this, this.

And it's like, just take a moment and be thoughtful.

Well, it's like, they didn't even, like, knock-dock jokes.

They do.

Oh, they weren't five-year-olds.

Yeah, they're still liars.

I got a text about that.

Thank you, Terry.

I appreciate your feedback on this one.

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I don't know why I say that.

That's the more talk.

Someone served you coffee.

It's more taunting than this sweet.

That was trying to be nice.

Yeah, that was a very nice.

No, no, it wasn't.

I really shouldn't have said that.

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And we wanted to send a shout out to you.

Just turn your phone on.

Yeah, why would she listen to me if she doesn't have to?

Yeah.

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