Abortion Ban Mockery (Hour 1)

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Abortion Ban Mockery (Hour 1)

Mornings with Pat Kreitlow · Thu Sep 25, 2025

Live, across Wisconsin on Civic Media, you're listening to Mornings with Pack Right Low Powered by Up North News.

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All right,

well, not exactly the Lake Basota studio, but hey there Wisconsin.

Good morning.

It is 6 0 6 on a Thursday morning, September 25th 9 25 25.

It's a beautiful morning to have you here in the state capital of Madison.

Thanks for being here from wherever you're spending your mornings listening across the civic media radio network or listening or watching on one of the many platforms out there.

Thanks for starting your day right here.

I got a question for you.

Why do I keep forgetting when I come visit Madison that I need to dress not for a nice, crisp fall morning, but for a sauna instead?

Here I am in a dress shirt because, you know, when you come to the big city, you think, oh, you know, I gotta, I gotta get gussied up.

I can't just, you know, be schlepping around.

And then I come into the hot box here where there's Park Girls and look at him.

He's very cool and refreshing looking in his little shirt with the limes on it.

And believe it or not.

We are sitting in the exact same room.

Doesn't look like it.

Anybody watching on social media would look at this and go, okay, well, let's see.

Barker's in his usual broom closet over there.

Yeah.

Pat appears to be on a Hollywood stage or something because of the lighting.

There's a big fancy monitor behind me.

This is, I got calls from both Todd Alba.

and Luke Mathers, each saying, Hey, we know when you've been an A2 before, there's a bare wall behind you and whatever.

So now we've got, you know, we've got lights and we've got a monitor and we'll put the logo behind you.

And I'm like, that's great.

And again, here in the first thing I see behind me is, is the wrong logo.

It's the old logo, but better than if we put the new logo up, it's got my mug on it.

Oh, I don't need me looking down on me.

I look down on enough people.

I don't need to look down on myself, too, for goodness sakes.

So we're here in Madison for a couple of days.

Basically, every so often, I have to make an appearance because otherwise they're going to take me for granted.

They're going to assume I'm just some disembodied voice.

We'll lock them out.

Yeah, exactly.

It's like touch grass.

Sometimes you get it.

touch your colleagues.

And I can finally touch Parker from across the way.

Yeah, it does.

Never mind.

But yeah, believe it or not, here we are in the exact same studio A2.

How are you?

I'm great.

You're

just happy

to

have somebody to talk to.

I really am.

It is a really weird feeling to actually be able to see somebody during this and not have to crank my neck to look over

here to see you.

Right.

And by the way, only the second time we've been in the same room together.

We went months having not been able to meet till I could get down here.

And I recall the first time, you know, when you see somebody that you've only ever seen on screen and you see them in 3D for the first time and it's not quite right.

And I looked and I said,

Have you always had glasses?

And he was like, literally every day I've had glasses on.

I cannot go without them.

Don't even think about that at a time like this, you know.

So anyway, it's really nice to be here.

And I'm, you know, visiting obviously some old colleagues and some friends who are down here taking a couple of days, simply because we haven't.

Not done that for a bit.

Alicia puts up on YouTube.

Oh, it's all fancy behind you

today.

Yeah.

So, and what does Tony say, Pat?

Are you a gamer in Twitch now?

Is that what this looks like here?

It looks a little bit like that.

I would believe that.

Yeah.

I think Tony's

onto

something.

All right.

So we, we are here.

Uh, and otherwise fairly normal show, uh, coming up ahead for you this, uh, this fine Thursday morning, we will be talking at 7 35 to state democratic party chair, Devin Remacher.

I mean, because I mean, you're, you're coming

to

Madison.

which everybody thinks is like this liberal bastion.

Well, everybody knows is this liberal bastion.

So, you know, you gotta, you gotta have the state democratic party chair on.

So we'll be doing that.

And we'll be talking about some primary concerns because 2026 is going to be an extremely busy year.

There's a lot of people that want to run for something.

Look at how many candidates are running for governor already, but we already have in multiple congressional districts.

There are multiple Democrats running for seats already in multiple legislative races.

There are multiple Democrats running for single seats.

So there are gonna be a lot of primaries and you're gonna hear me mention a lot between now and next August 11th.

Don't forget to vote on August 11th.

It's not bigger than the November election, but

It is big.

It's your chance to determine if you are a Democratic voter who your nominee is going to be.

So we're going to talk to Devin a bit about, you know, how is the party essentially an honest broker in all of this?

You know, do you take a completely hands-off approach?

Do you treat everybody exactly the same?

Even though in some races, you know, one person might be the clear

better choice and the other might be, you know, say a Democrat and name only.

How do you do that?

And how do you then, when the primary is over, make sure that however bitter it might have gotten, how do you make sure that that Democratic nominee has the resources they need to win in November?

And again, recall that this, this all happens on the Republican side of things as well, that you have these primary elections and if you come out of them, you know, two week, you don't win in November.

For me, the

The classic example goes way back to 2012 when nobody thought Tammy Baldwin had a prayer of winning that Senate election, but it was such a bruising primary that former Governor Tommy Thompson finally emerged, but the Republican Party was so beaten up and so worn down and had spent all of its money that Tammy Baldwin was able to, you know,

show the rest of the state of Wisconsin who she is and was able to win and has held on to that Senate seat ever since.

So again, a lot about the importance of primaries that we'll talk to Devon Remaker about a little bit later on.

It being Thursday, we'll talk to Joseph Pecky as well.

So I'm sure we'll have some of those same concerns.

And we're going to talk to Sean O'Malley about your money and the markets.

And how do I put this?

What are people doing?

He's looking at what businesses are doing.

He's looking at what potential employees are doing.

Girding I'm gonna go with the word girding everybody's just like girding for whatever's next because it doesn't feel quite right out there whether you're a job hunter or whether you're a business and on paper That kind of looks good.

Sean O'Malley is gonna explain how it's like.

Oh look inventories are up and everything's fine.

No, it's people basically Parker you have you have squirrels here in Madison.

This is the squirrels.

Yes, the squirrels up in Lake Wissota.

Yeah

are digging like crazy.

I mean, they are just burying things everywhere.

So your neighbors who give them peanuts are?

No, no, no, no.

They're grabbing the acorns.

We got some oak trees and other things, and they are, I mean, they are active.

We've shared, and I've said a couple of different times, like, what should we be thinking about winter here?

But I think when Sean gets here, he's going to be saying kind of the same thing, the line from Game of Thrones.

Winter is coming.

It's so economically against not, not a, not a scare tactic.

It's like, this is just what, what people are doing.

So, so all that and much more coming up here on the program today, coming down yesterday, Parker, I, I could not have timed that drive out any better.

I got in the Jeep right at the start of the Brewer's game in San Diego and it takes, you know, you drove from San Diego.

I did not, but I put the game on from San Diego and got pulled up to my college buddy's house down here just as the final out was being made and the Brewers were winners over the San Diego Padres to avoid the sweep.

Much needed one.

Yes, a 3-1 victory.

So the Brewers have reduced their magic number to one.

So between now and Sunday, the Brewers just need to win one game or the Phillies just need to lose one game.

and the Brewers will clinch the best record in Major League Baseball this year.

Isn't that crazy?

It is crazy and wonderful and lovely and a little nerve-wracking.

Because of some recent losses, the Brewers will still not get

to 100 wins.

They've never done that.

But they are now 96 and 63.

So theoretically, they could get to 99 wins if they were to sweep the Cincinnati Reds this weekend in the final home stand.

I'll come back to that in a minute.

But first back to San Diego, the Brewers could end up meeting them again in the playoffs.

The Padres entered the day.

They were trailing the Cubs by a

game and a half in the race for the National League's top wildcard spot.

And they would get to host a best of three series starting Tuesday.

That's if the current standings were to hold.

But as I was looking at them, things are extremely fluid, obviously not for the Brewers.

They know their destiny here.

But those wildcard races, both in the American League and the National League, it's going to be a busy nail biter of a weekend for a lot of

fans.

They're tight.

It's going to be really fun, actually.

I think we're both going.

to the A game this weekend for the Brewers.

Yeah, I'll be,

I'll be at Saturday's game as well.

And the playing against the Reds, the Reds are going to be really playing for something.

So

yes, they are.

That

might suck for a

game for us to be at.

Well, you know what?

But again, we're, we're in, I'm not, I'm not going to sweat it too much.

And again, just hope that, that people don't get hurt.

Although I, oh, yep.

Of course.

And Tony go Guardians because again, Cleveland coming.

It's not so much that Cleveland's coming out of nowhere.

It's, it's.

that Detroit ridiculous.

It is a collapse for the ages on the Tigers.

What were they like 15 games up?

I think 15 at one point.

They were 10 games up in the standings to start the month of September.

And they blew it all.

It's just unbelievable.

So yeah, people in Detroit and Cleveland will be watching that game very carefully.

Clearly Tony will be as well.

So the Brewers are off today coming back home for that game or for that series rather against the Reds.

Coverage will begin tomorrow evening at 6.35 on several Civic Media stations.

And so you'll want to tune in for that.

The Badger football team has the weekend off.

Thank goodness.

Mercifully.

And then the Packers will be playing at Dallas on Sunday.

They'll have Sunday night football.

And so the kickoff there will be, or I'm sorry, the pregame will kick off here on some civic media stations at about five o'clock.

So here, here's my quandary for the game on Saturday.

And yeah, I'm, I'm, I'm about to throw my, my buddy Kevin under the bus

here.

So, you know,

There's all these different ticket promotions, like BP gas stations, quick trip gas stations, things like that.

And I'd gotten the impression that he was arranging that.

And then I get a text going, hey, what's your price range for tickets?

I said, well, wait a minute.

I thought you

already

had the tickets in hand.

I'm going to get to it.

But in case that doesn't work out, where do you want to be?

I want to be at the game.

I want to make sure that we've got tickets to building is preferable to go to this thing Yeah inside the building, please but would be a wonderful thing So then we got to talking and you talk about overthinking like you want to go to a Saturday game

second to last game of the season.

So everybody's excited about the team.

So maybe it'll be tough to get tickets, but they've already clinched and maybe people are waiting to buy playoff tickets.

So maybe there will be a lot of tickets available.

And what is it to buy it through the MLB app versus, you know, your, your stub hubs and your ticket masters or, you know, whatever, all the different things that are out there.

And we were talking this thing to death.

And then I just, I just finally said, this is on you buddy.

It's, so he's, I will look.

forward to reporting about how we watched the game from the rooftop of the VA hospital, just across the way, or whatever it is that he ends up getting.

I, on the other hand, I'm in charge of finding one of the many places that have shuttle buses going to the state.

Oh, you're doing shuttle buses.

Because parking costs about $300 to hear him tell it.

Roughly.

And we've taken the shuttle buses before, but we have a mixed record on that.

We've taken a shuttle from one of the watering holes in Wauwatosa.

Only two after the game.

Not have the shuttle show up apparently.

Oh,

that's fun

They ended up using an unmarked shuttle that we did not know so we watched this one shuttle leave going no wonder what that's for turn out to be ours

Yeah.

And so we were like the very last people in the parking lot in American family field.

Now we need a walk.

And now we're waiting for any kind of a taxi to come by and take on refugees.

So I'm hoping to find, we're not, we're looking for both tickets and a reliable shuttle service to the game.

And I bet those civic media tickets are

already gone.

They're long gone.

I think you're using them for goodness sake.

They were snapped up so long ago.

That, that'll learn us.

All right, well, we're going to talk for a bit about the governor's race and Tom Tiffany trying to have it both ways on the issue of abortion rights.

From the heart of America is up north, you know, Wisconsin, including here in Madison.

Thanks for making this a place to spend part of your mornings.

I'm Pat Krightlow.

This is the Civic Media Radio Network.

weekend it's going to be.

So, Sharita Booker naturally is the person to talk to about some of the events that could be going on for you.

Just got to get in the car and get to one of these or the other.

Sharita, how are you?

I'm doing good, Pat.

How are you?

I'm doing good.

Thanks.

Hey, this first one is definitely one that more than a few people know about but there's always room for one more if you want to get yourself over to Warren's and that's near Tomah for the Warren's Cranberry Festival.

Tell the folks about that.

Yeah.

And this year, that small town of Warrens draws visitors from across the globe to attend its annual Cranberry Festival.

And this year it's celebrating its 52nd year.

And for three full days, which is Friday through Sunday, you'll find over 800 arts and craft vendors, 300 flea market booths, 100.

farmers market vendors, and more than 100 food booths, plus live entertainment, a big parade, and plenty of chances to shop for one of a kind souvenirs.

And of course the real star of the weekend is the cranberry.

You can sample it in just about every way with their cranberry cream puffs, cranberry funnel cakes, cranberry cheesecake on a stick with hot budged cranberry drizzle, deep fried cranberries on a stick, cranberry bubble tea, and pancakes with cranberry syrup at the festival's breakfast.

You can also take a marsh walking tour to learn more about the cranberry farm and history that makes the Wisconsin

tradition so special.

So for more information on that event, visit crayonfest.com

crayonfest.com and and I think you could call it the Super Bowl of Cranberries really.

And frankly, it's one it strikes me it's got to be one of the biggest, you know, craft vendor type shows around all the the booths.

I mean, you're going to get a lot of steps in

if you go to

this and I've I've said before

You know, you might see traffic backed up on the interstage.

Just so many people want to get into that exit and get into that tiny little town.

But it's worth it.

I've been there and it's a lot of fun.

So consider checking that out this weekend.

Or maybe if you're closer to Madison, you'd prefer something rather than cranberries.

You just want to go to cheese.

And there is something here called the Art of Cheese Festival, Sherita.

and that runs today through Sunday in Madison.

And it's not about just sampling cheese, it's about experiencing the whole culture behind it.

We're talking cheese maker-led tastings, farm and creamery tours, hands-on workshops, and even a chance to paint your own cheesy masterpiece while sipping wine or cocktails.

There are several ticketed events taking place over the course of the festival.

One of those include a tour of Crave Brothers' Farmstead Cheese and Waterloo.

You'll see how their milk goes straight from the farm to the creamery and takes their award-winning cheeses, followed by a chef-prepared lunch inside of a beautifully reclaimed dairy barn.

There's also the Wisconsin Cheese Ball at the Sylvie in Madison.

Emmy-winning chef and TV host Andrew Zimmern will be there along with live music from the pork tornadoes and DJ Shawna from the Milwaukee Books.

It's part concert, part gala, and the dress code is

Gallaglam with the side of cheese.

There are many there are many events to choose from and tickets are going fast like I already saw some of these events are sold out not the ones that I just mentioned but some of the other ones on the website are sold out already so head over to Wisconsincheese.com to get your tickets and more information.

Yeah, there's there's also Dan Jacobs, a chef who's been on Top Chef.

We've talked about him a lot on the program.

He has a Bruce City cheese tour and lunch and then the one that caught my eye here was called Spirited Pairing, a Wisconsin cheese and bourbon experience.

So

I definitely would have to learn more about that.

Again, Wisconsin cheese.com is where you hear more about the art of cheese festival in Madison.

All right, now up to my neck of the woods here.

If you if you come up to Eau Claire, and you come up, what we call the bypass, the Highway 53 bypass, you're going to come to an exit for River Prairie.

and River Prairie Park is the site of one of the more unusual but very seasonal fests this time of year,

Sherita.

The River Prairie ginormous pumpkin festival is back on Saturday in Altoona.

This is home to Wisconsin's biggest pumpkin way off where growers show off some of the biggest pumpkins you've ever seen.

The whole day is packed with fall fun things like great pumpkin 5k, an artist market, a pumpkin dessert contest, a pet costume parade,

pumpkin decorating.

And of course, the Grand Finale, which is a ginormous pumpkin drop where a massive pumpkin packed with candy is released from a crane.

And this event is free.

And for more information, head to visit Eau Claire.com.

Visit Eau Claire.com.

We'll get you that for the ginormous pumpkin festival.

I love that.

And I, I hope my dentist is there because

The craziest thing about my last dentist visit back in the spring here is when we talked about things that you're up to.

And he's like, I've really just gotten into growing giant pumpkins.

And I'm going to try to get one big enough to be a winner.

And I mean, it was the last thing I expected my dentist to say, because I've certainly taken to growing giant pumpkins.

But,

you know, I thought you were going to say that you had a lot of candy and you are having a cappie.

No, maybe too much pumpkin pie.

I can see where that would happen.

So we've given you some good options here.

But I'm going to throw in a bonus one simply for the novelty of it.

Sherita, are you familiar with beef arama in Monaco?

Not at all.

Beef Arama, if you want beef sandwiches, if you want to be part of the Rump Roast Run that's there, the Prime Choice Craft Show, all that and more.

So much is going to be going on Friday and especially Saturday up in the Managua area, including, look, if you want beef sandwiches, you can get a shaved prime rib sandwich at the Managua Lions Club Beer Garden.

The shredded beef sandwiches are at the Cross Country Cruiser Tent.

on Front Street or a beef brisket sandwich at the Lakeland Rotary Beer Garden on Chicago Street.

You cannot say you didn't get your fill of beef at Beef Arama in Monaco this weekend.

So I don't know where you go.

You got the cranberries, you got the beef, you got the cheese, you got the pumpkins.

I don't know how you choose.

so much to choose

from.

I think I would roll with either cranberries or cheese.

Yeah, I mean, it's just it's a lot of fun.

And I hope that everybody gets a chance to hit the road to go do something great this weekend.

Sherita Booker tracks that and all of our social media posts for us as well.

Over at Up North News.

Thank you, Sherita.

Have a great weekend.

You too, Pat.

Still ahead, we're going to be talking to Joseph Petke.

We're going to be talking to Chad Holmes.

Sean O'Malley talks about your money in the markets, and we'll get into what Tom Tiffany is saying now about women's reproductive health rights versus, you know, what his actual record is.

But first in today's history lesson, come on, get happy.

What are we talking about when I say those words?

If you watch old TV, you know today's history lesson is next.

You're up north.

Welcome

to today's history lesson.

It was on this day in 1970 that the Partridge family debuted on ABC.

So this is where we turn now to bridging the generations with Pat and Parker.

You were kind of bopping along.

You know, it's a happy song.

How can you not bop along?

Come on, get happy.

So was that the first time you're hearing this song?

Because I'm not gonna even pretend that you watched The Partridge Family.

I did not watch The

Partridge Family,

no.

I do think

I've

heard this.

Okay.

Well, it is.

It's one of the nicest little TV games,

you know.

Basically all about a family that decides to, you know, form a band and they get in this very colorful bus and go from gig to gig and hijinks and sue.

There you

go.

As it were.

I feel like we're getting a lot of shows and movies

about

bands.

Yes, although when I think of it now, you know, a family forms a band.

Basically, the shows that we grew up with are now the things you would pitch to the Disney Channel.

There's no way you're seeing a...

a broadcast network going, hey, a family is going to form a band.

All right, that's fine.

Now, when, when does, when does the drug cartel attack and you need NCIS to come rescue them?

You know, we can't just have happy shows anymore on network TV.

No, we can't have a lot of happy at all.

No, we can't.

So that's why we sometimes live in the past with the Partridge family and come on, get happy here.

Let's see, we've also got from the same day in 1970,

Janice Joplin was in a studio for the last time Sunset Sound Studios in Hollywood and this is what she produced.

Janice

Joplin recording me and Bobby McGee 55 years ago today

Sadly, nine days later, she would be dead of a drug overdose at the age of 27.

On this day in 1974, Dr. Frank Job, I hope I'm saying that right, performed the first ulnar collateral ligament replacement surgery, which was a big deal.

It has helped so many athletes over the years to have an ulnar collateral ligament replacement surgery.

Do you think it's known as Frank Jobi surgery or Frank Job surgery?

No,

it's not named for the doctor who actually did it.

It's named for the first guy that was done on her, the first athlete, and that would be Tommy John.

And Tommy John surgery ever since.

I'm just sure Dr. Frank is like, really?

Am I chopped over over here?

I'm the

one

who did the thing here, guys.

He just got hurt.

Although I have to say side story reminds me now my wife has delivered probably thousands of babies at well Yes, definitely thousands of babies at this point during the years when I was anchoring the six and ten o'clock news up on channel 13 and Eau Claire She she often it was a running joke like she's like I am so sick of walking in and people go.

Oh your husband's wonderful I watch him every night and all that and at one point She's doing this delivery while I'm delivering news the

job

and the mother and the mother-in-law

are watching the news.

So I'm over a shoulder delivers the baby.

And at that point, the, the, the grandma and the grandma in law or whatever, like, Oh, your, your husband does such a nice job.

And she's like, I didn't drop the baby.

Different things going on here.

I'm working here, you know, with you.

Anyway, so Dr. Frank, we know how you feel about the Tommy John surgery.

The first Chicago marathon was run this day in 1977.

On this day in 1926, Henry Ford announced an eight-hour five-day work week for workers at the Ford Motor Company.

That was revolutionary for the time and again would not have happened on its own.

There wasn't the benevolence of Henry Ford going, oh, you guys should only work 40 hours a week.

It came with a lot of activity that led up to that point.

All right, a band was formed this day.

In 1976, Parker's going to play a little bit of one of their tunes, and then I'll tell you the story.

You can probably guess the band.

And I can definitely hear people right now going, did he say 1976?

Is you too that old?

Yes, it is.

It all started when Bono and David Evans, his brother Dick and Adam Clayton, responded to an ad on a bulletin board.

that was posted by a fellow student, Larry Mullin Jr., to form a rock band.

Bono, at that point, you're going, well, wait a minute, was he called Bono back then?

Because his birth name is Paul Hewson.

There's a trivia question.

Does anybody know that?

Paul Hewson.

Where did he get Bono from?

Turns out it was not like some rock and roll thing.

He was part of what he would call a street gang.

And everybody in the street gang got nicknames.

And his was originally Bono Vox.

which was like the name of, what was it, a music, a hearing aid store.

And Bonovox means good sound.

And so he just

shortened it to Bono.

That's actually awesome.

I know I was very impressed when I saw that story yesterday.

I did not know that and I did not know that you two dated all the way back.

I would have said maybe 1980-81 because I really started hearing about them in 82-83 but no 1976.

So yeah next year they will celebrate their 60th anniversary or 50th anniversary as a band.

On this day in 1961 was the premiere of the film The Hustler, starring Paul Newman and Jackie Gleason, the story of small-time pool hustler Fast Eddie Felsen challenging legendary pool player Minnesota Fats.

On this day in 2017 at the Hollywood Bowl in Los Angeles, Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers played a concert.

We're moving into Parkland.

Now again, much like Janice Joplin here, the story doesn't have a happy ending.

It turned out to be their last concert this day in 2017 at the Hollywood Bowl.

Petty would die one week later.

This particular show had been the last stop on their 40th anniversary tour.

On this day in 1990, Dave Grohl replaced Chad Channing in Nirvana, becoming the fifth and final drummer for the band.

Again, that was 35 years ago today.

On this day in 1981, Sandra Day O'Connor was sworn in as the first female justice on the US Supreme Court.

Got a lot of birthdays to get to today.

Let's get kick things off here with Will Smith, who turns 57 today.

Now, I am not the world's biggest Will Smith fan.

Really?

No, I mean, and this was prior to the Chris Rock slap, in part because so many of his tunes were, you know,

I wouldn't just say sampled, I would say plagiarized, like this Stevie Wonder 2 and I Wish, which became Wild Wild West.

But I say all this to say that there are things that Will Smith has done that I do like, and Wild Wild West, that movie, is one of them.

Again, just a great little weekend, you know, look it up, stream it if you've never watched it before.

Selma Hayek is in it as well.

Just a really nice film.

Can you guess that I have to say that I haven't seen

it?

No, I'm gonna have to watch

it.

I wasn't even getting that's why I'm just I'm just putting that recommendation out there Michael Douglas is 81 years old today He shares a birthday with his wife Catherine Zeta Jones Who is 56 today?

So yeah, Catherine Zeta Jones was born on her future husband Michael Douglas's 25th birthday Supermodel Cheryl Teague's 78 today

We're going way back into 70s TV and film now happy days Potsy Hanson Williams.

Yeah, Potsy is 76 years old today and Star Wars Luke Skywalker Mark Hamill hour in my wheelhouse 74 years old today.

Happy birthday to him Let's see ti is 45 his biggest hit was in 2008

had songs like whatever you like and live your life would both reach the top of the charts.

Again, TI 45 today.

The late Christopher Reeve, the original movie Superman, was born this day in 1952, passed away in 2004.

Heather Locklear is 64 years old today and that wraps up today's birthdays.

Let's see on the national day calendar.

Today is national cooking day.

I can get behind that.

I know you along with that is food service workers day.

Yes.

And not not just the lunch ladies, you know, everybody who works in food service.

Yes.

You're appreciated more than we could possibly say.

So thank you for that.

It is one hit wonder day.

We

At this point, One Hit Wonder used to be like this nice little novelty topic.

You're like, oh, I didn't know they were just, yeah, whatever happened to that.

Why were they just a One Hit Wonder?

But now, of course, over the years, there's been so many of them that it's almost a bigger deal now if you get two hits on the charts.

If you become someone that is actually known by a lot of people, it's very impressive.

Not just, oh, that song,

yeah.

Yeah.

But again, if you have a favorite One Hit Wonder group or singer where you want to say,

You know, I never understood why I never heard another song from that band or that person.

Throw it in the comment section.

Go on Facebook or YouTube, either for Up North News or for Civic Media or use the Civic Media app and send us a text message and tell us more.

Looking over at YouTube, back to how the segment started.

Tony up in National and Rights, the Partridge family with a drug cartel.

Sign me up for the Netflix series.

Yeah.

And the thing is that you could see the Danny Bonnie Ducci character, you know, completely toting a shotgun and saving the rest of the family.

I

just like the idea of a family band getting like stuck with drug cartels.

I think that could be

quite the show.

You know, it wasn't a family band, but what it reminds me of is, what does it meet the Millers?

Oh, yeah.

The movie there, the Jennifer Aniston movie.

I think so.

And

was that, that was Jason Sudeikis.

And

I don't

remember the kids.

That's all I know.

Anyway, so yeah, when a family, in this case a fake family gets mixed up with a drug cartel, seems to be the plot point nowadays.

And then finally today is National Binge Day.

I don't know if there's something you would binge.

I know that tonight we might be getting a Bucks Pizza here in Madison.

I would binge on that and I may not make it to the burgers game if I'm you have to roll me into it, you know, I believe I suppose I want to double check I believe it's national like binge movies

Oh, that kind of binge.

Yeah.

Oh, you kind of left out that detail.

My dad, yeah.

Okay.

No.

Tony right away saying about Meet the Mills.

You mean the Ed Helms movie?

Pretty funny.

Yes, Ed Helms has a role in there as well.

What do you got for entertainment news you want to pitch?

Entertainment news.

I just left those notes, Pat.

You

know, we're doing this at the same time every day.

You should be able

to.

Yeah, but then I wanted to fact check myself with the whole binge thing.

Here we go.

All right.

This is...

I don't know how much entertainment this is,

but very entertaining.

You're talking yourself out of a story before you even pitch it.

Yes, this is how I work that.

I

second think everything.

A teaching assistant in South Carolina has been arrested after causing $50,000 in damage to an air conditioning system.

Want to guess the

cause?

Well, we're in the entertainment section, so I'm hoping that somebody really didn't like maybe the serious finale of how I met your mother or something like that.

But why did this teacher assistant destroy an air conditioning unit?

Fart spray is what did the damage.

What?

Fart spray.

Fart spray.

Fart spray.

Apparently he was spraying it in a class and it literally like disrupted the class and some students got sent to the doctor because it was so terrible.

Okay.

It's not entertainment, but it's entertaining.

It's entertaining.

I might have to rename the segment here.

Parker's entertaining news pitch, but I can see where that would be a problem.

Did you think?

Yeah.

Why would you bring fart spray to class?

I don't know or at least test it out first and how can it be so potent that it does damage to an air conditioning?

Yeah, exactly All right, I've got from Roger in Stevens Point tainted love by soft cell was one of his most memorable one-hit wonder hits I

totally agree on that one.

Good, good, good call there, Roger.

All right, when we get going in our seven o'clock hour, we will have State Democratic Party Chair, Devon Remaker joining us to talk about a very busy 2026 election campaign that is already well underway.

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There's all kinds of show highlights and news blurbs and things.

Maybe a link to a website with some stories on there because Parker I understand that you have an article on the website and it got noticed here.

I believe it was, yes, it was Roger and Steven's point, putting on Facebook.

I would like to salute Parker for his article on train derailments.

It made me recall the Waiowiga train derailment.

It will be 30 years next March that this incident happened.

The entire city and surrounding area was evacuated for more than two weeks.

I remember it very well.

That was the very big story that we were covering back then.

So tell me more about this train derailment article.

Yeah, so we were, thank you, by the way, Roger.

TrainDior, we just wanted to take a look at how many TrainDior railments have been happening in the state of Wisconsin, really.

So we kind of just did a little investigation on that, going into the FRA's records from 2023 to now, made a map of all the railments in the state of Wisconsin.

Talked to some folks from the Railroad Workers United, which is the hardest union name to say.

Um, talked to them about kind of what could be causing that stuff and just kind of highlighted that.

I'm hoping to do maybe a little bit more on that.

Okay.

It's more answers.

So again, look, look for that over at civicmedia.us and sign up for the Civic Media Today newsletter, civicmediatoday.substack.com.

And of course I mentioned the up north newsletters, including, uh, you know, the Sunday mornings one, Tony puts up on YouTube.

Well, what am I supposed to do on Saturdays?

Where's the Saturday morning grumblings about kids these days with Pat Crichtlow?

That's next.

It's in development.

We're testing that out.

And Tony also says, we now have a newsman on the show.

Hey, I was a newsman.

He like his official stuff.

I know, but now apparently you need quaffed hair and a suit coat according to Tony to be, you know.

an actual news person.

Well, I have quaffed here.

You got to work on it.

I've got a guy.

We'll talk about it.

Good.

All right, let's talk about the governor's race here real quick because, again, on the Republican side, things have developed with, I always want to say, state Senator Tom Tiffany because...

He was a state senator for seven years, but a member of Congress for the past few and now with Congressman Tom Tiffany getting into the race the Republican field has a candidate with some name ID and Frankly, I at the moment have a tough time seeing what other Republicans would get into the race who would want to challenge him and make it for a big-time borderline device of primary so at the moment

I think that you could say that he is the prohibitive nominee for the Republican Party, but again, we'll see who gets in there.

And as I mentioned before, he has a record.

Okay.

He has a very conservative record.

It has served him well, coming from a state Senate district, you know, in and around the Minakwa area where he has been able to take.

basically, you know, far right positions on the issues.

And the same goes for the seventh congressional district.

The entire northern third is an area that is a Republican stronghold right now.

And that has always been part of the reason why I for one was not totally convinced that Tom Tiffany was going to get into the race because yeah, what plays well in your local district.

may not necessarily play well all the way across the state.

Remember, Democrats have won something or progressive candidates have won something like 15 out of the last 18 statewide elections.

And part of the reason for that is that you have so many Republican politicians nowadays and conservative candidates nowadays who do absolutely nothing to moderate their position.

Well, that's not stopping Tom Tiffany from trying.

He was asked about his support in the past for

uh, banning, you know, prohibiting women from seeking abortion care, restricting their reproductive health care rights to six weeks of pregnancy.

When many women don't even know they're pregnant at six weeks, but he would take away their health care options.

Uh, he has a record.

He has co-sponsored a bill in Congress that would prohibit abortions.

The moment a fetal heartbeat is detectable.

Again, when many women don't even know that they're necessarily pregnant.

Well,

Tom Tiffany was asked about that when he first announced his campaign on the Dan O'Donnell radio show.

Uh, and O'Donnell made clear, he said, you're, you're getting hammered from the left for your position on abortion.

Uh, he summarized that Tiffany stance as believing that all abortions after six weeks should be banned with no exceptions for rape and incest.

But Tiffany said, Oh, that's, that's not his position now.

His quote was I would just point back to 10 years ago when I was in the legislature We debated this and we passed a 20-week bill.

I voted for that bill It was signed into law and it is now the law in the state of Wisconsin I do support that law and I will uphold it as governor of the state of Wisconsin To which I would respond give me a break.

Yes, you can you can say you'll uphold the law as governor.

That's your job But to say that you will

What you didn't say is you will not seek a total ban on abortion rights and a six-week ban on abortion rights.

And don't tell me for a moment that if there is a Republican-controlled legislature and they pass you a total abortion ban, don't tell me, oh, I'm not gonna sign that law.

There's already this 20-week one.

Nobody believes you.

It's like Scott Walker with Act 10 or the entire conservative movement when it comes to Roe v. Wade.

Devon Remaker, State Democratic Party Chair, and much more in the next hour here.

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Hey, good morning.

It is 7 0 6.

Nice to have you back here.

In Madison, not the Lake Mesoda Studios.

I guess we could call them.

Well, Parker Olsen's here with me as well.

Is it the Lake Monona Studio, the Lake Mendota Studio?

I mean, we're on the Isthmus

here, so I don't know which lake

is technically closer

to

us.

We

could say the Isthmus Studios, but then the newspaper people

would get mad at us.

I would probably go with Mendota.

Okay, from our Lake Mendota Studios.

Welcome to Studio A2.

Brittany Merleau, meteorologist is here as well to talk about the weather, but first, Brittany, can you, can you believe we're in the same room?

Parker and I

can't even believe it.

It doesn't look like it.

Right.

I'm jealous.

I know.

It's quite, quite, quite the party here.

See, I'm, I'm over here on his, uh, the camera that you got out of a cracker jack box or something like that, where

it

always looks like Parker has jaundice or something.

And meanwhile,

yeah, I can't even argue.

Yeah.

Both

Luke Mathers and Todd Alba.

Apparently I badgered them a lot about the video quality.

coming out of this place.

I know it's a radio show, but if you're, if you're going to stream video, you know, right, you should

put, you should put a

little effort behind it.

They put a lot of effort behind it.

I mean, this thing is so Vegas looking behind me.

I am waiting for a cocktail, what John or Gordy should be dressed up as a cocktail waitress and offered to serve me something before I go watch Dean Martin and Don Rickles perform in the lounge down here.

This, this is a wild setup.

It is very bright.

It is very

bright.

I'm very complimented and, uh, more than a little intimidated at, you know, what they, what they're able to pull off when you just say, Hey, can we just not have a blank wall behind me?

It's like, all right, cry it low.

How about this?

A little bit of overkill.

But I like it.

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That keyword is coming up shortly, but we've kept Brittany waiting long enough.

So you all keep waiting for that keyword.

It is coming.

But first, Brittany, as I was driving down yesterday.

from Chippewa Falls and it timed out perfectly.

I got in the Jeep right when the Brewer game was starting because they had afternoon baseball and got here just as it was over.

It was such a gorgeous sunny drive.

We don't have the fall colors thing going yet, but I really could not argue whether wise with what we had how much of

that

carries over into today and beyond.

Oh, so much of it.

We have a beautiful forecast.

Once we get through this fog, a lot of thick fog scattered throughout the state this morning, dense in places, less than a mile visibility.

So if you still have somewhere to go, still trying to get to work, leave early, drive slow.

be safe out there.

It is pretty thick in spots that will lift by nine o'clock this morning.

That dense fog advisory from Ashland to Green Bay and of course north and east of that area.

The rest of the state, though, just patchy spots of it, especially in those low lying river areas.

Otherwise a bright and beautiful day, mostly sunny.

Once again, highs in the low to mid seventies.

A few of us will hit some upper seventies today and then we push repeat for tomorrow.

We get even warmer into the weekend where down south you're going to be hitting 80 degrees up north.

upper 70s.

We hold that trend for the entire weekend into next week.

I was trying to find rain in the forecast.

It doesn't look like it's going to be here until next weekend.

So we've got a long dry stretch of a ton of sunshine.

Gorgeous.

So the top might come down off the Jeep for a time.

Yeah, for a week straight, you can pull it off that.

I'm gonna do it.

All right.

Well, good.

That's good to know.

From Robbie says, good morning from Tigerton.

It is foggy and 52 degrees.

The visibility in Tigerton is a mile.

So Pat's Chippewa Valley fog that they've had the last few mornings, made it to Tigerton today.

I'm not sure fog commutes like that, but I get

the sun.

I like to think that it does.

Yeah, in some horror

movies, you know, the blob.

enough.

Let's see, Rob mowed five yards in the Tigerton and Wittenberg areas yesterday.

The weather was beautiful.

Today he's got five lawns to mow, so he's going to be busy.

Yesterday had a cheeseburger lunch at Rachel's Roadside.

Pat Brittany and everyone out there, you have to stop at Rachel's Roadside in Wittenberg for their great food.

Well, that's awfully nice.

Tony commenting on the background here says the natural light in Pat's home office can't be matched.

That's true.

That's the one nice thing I got going.

but then he goes on to say, if we're talking backgrounds, I'm still missing behind Parker the dear leader portrait of the handsome and capable Luke Mathers.

We did talk about that.

Where's

the portrait of Luke looking over your shoulder?

We should do that, actually.

That would be pretty easy to do.

You know what would be easier to do?

What?

We could get a slide and put it on the

Well, TV

behind you here.

Yeah.

We could do that.

Actually, what I'd like to do, but it might come off mean, so I'm going to go ahead and spoil it right now.

Oh boy.

We come out to a three shot like this sometime and you've got a portrait of Luke over your shoulder and there's one over my shoulder and there's one over Britney's shoulder.

It's just completely has that dear leader look to it.

Oh, that would be.

It

would all

be in good fun, Mr. Mathers.

I want to make sure that I emphasize that.

Oh, he says no, period.

Aw, okay.

Come

on, Luke.

Dang it.

That's why he's the boss.

Brittany, thank you so much.

We'll talk to you in the next hour.

Sounds

good.

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How simple was that?

Parker, we've we've had we've had non-perfect shows, right?

We've had days where we had to jump up that quickly.

But, you know, we've had our rough patch.

We've had a hiccup or so.

Have we ever caused 10,000 gallons of wastewater to be dumped into Lake Michigan?

Not that I'm aware of.

I mean,

metaphorically, perhaps, but not quite literally.

The story from Caitlin Luby and the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel employee error causes wastewater overflow that dumped 10,000 gallons into Lake Michigan.

Apparently it happened during a shift change.

not sure where the miscommunication occurred, but an employee observed wastewater overtopping the emergency overflow structure at their south shore facility on September 23rd.

Let's see what the overflow lasted about 30 minutes and there is potential for human exposure through recreational use

of the waterway.

Apparently too much water came through a gate when it shouldn't have an untreated wastewater overtopped an emergency barrier there.

Corrective actions were taken as soon as it was discovered.

Oops.

Whoops.

Yes.

I mean,

in essence, oops.

I mean, every, every job has those things that you could do.

That to me is a pretty big one.

That's on par with like Homer Simpson working at a nuclear power plant, you know, and hitting a particular button.

So it raises this question.

Oh boy.

What have you done?

What have I done?

And I'm talking to the listeners.

Oh.

Yeah.

What have you

done?

I thought I screwed up and you were trying to get me

there.

Tell us a story about something that you've done or co-worker, but you gotta, you know.

protect people.

We're not, we're not here to slander people or get them in trouble.

So you got to be nice about it.

And I, mine isn't anywhere on the, on par with, you know, 10,000 gallons of wastewater.

But in this business, it is very possible to say the wrong thing and to have to then apologize on air.

And I did, I did that once in my first radio job out of college.

where somebody told me a story about something that had happened to their car in a car wash.

And it was a funny story.

I'm not even going to bore you with the details, but it seemed funny.

But I thought, well, you know, I'll try to make it as generic as possible.

Well, needless to say, the owner of the local car wash heard the story.

And, you know, construed it in a way that all the listeners would know that it was the local car wash, despite my attempts to say otherwise.

And I got to say that's the only time I've truly.

uh, cheesed off a sponsor and got read the riot act.

And I mean, truly read the riot act and having to apologize on here the next day.

Now there are a lot worse things that can happen in this business.

There's naughty words and there's, you know, slander and getting your facts wrong and all of that.

So I feel, I feel very fortunate that way, but you know, again, it's not 10,000 gallons of sewage.

So, uh, and we can't even ask you.

Mr. Parker to make a confession because I mean this is this is kind of early in your career and you

know

you you can't try to

think of anything that I did in college.

I don't really know of anything.

There were.

Wait, you told me there were like super issues, you know, where you put like the wrong word on screen or something like that.

I don't know.

Tony asking, how big are those FCC fines again?

Well, yeah, that's why we... Let's not talk about that.

Yeah, let's see.

Alicia, Navy Vets says she was on the flight deck 2005, moving jets.

I was in the cockpit.

The yellow shirt on the deck pulled an ordinance pin that had flares attached, arming the flares near the tail hook, almost took out two sailors working on the tail hook.

Oh, yeah.

See, that's, that's a story right there.

That's worse than anything we've probably done.

Uh, yeah.

Again, uh, haven't taken out sailors, haven't blown up a plane, anything like that.

Uh, Tony reminds us that, uh, Parker's still on probation.

Isn't he?

He can't really incriminate.

How do you know about that Tony?

I thought that the

background check was confidential.

Uh, I know, but you, everybody knows you're still relatively.

relatively new here.

So remind me of this next week when, when John and Gordy are on, cause John and Gordy have been involved in broadcasting for something like 78 years.

And I'm sure that they've got some stories to tell as well.

So we'll look forward to that.

Anyway, and you can continue to just share your stories, either get in the comment sections of Facebook or YouTube for either up North news or for civic media or use of the civic media app or.

best of all, if you're able to get over to the Civic Media app and use the voice note feature

and

tell us the story.

I'd love to get more people using that, that voice note feature and tell us what happened.

Now, obviously we'll have to make

sure that

there, there isn't anything slander, libelists, anything like that, but.

Tell us a story about a big-time goof at work.

We'd love to hear that.

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And welcome back, it is just about 7.23 on this Thursday morning, September 25th.

925-2025 and we're here in Madison Studio A2 and State Party Chair.

The Democratic Party of Wisconsin Devon Remaker will be along in just a minute.

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All right, there was another case of political violence in America yesterday in what is becoming a chilling sign of the times.

It happened at an ice facility in Dallas, which led to both a death and injuries from gunfire.

The gunman then died of a self-inflicted gunshot wound.

But I mean, even before anybody.

knew anything with certainty about the circumstances.

You had political figures, including the vice president of the United States, jumping to conclusions about, you know, who or what provoked this kind of violence.

And you had the president and others singling out the Democratic Party.

saying that that is, you know, that is where the nation's ire should be directed.

Which is, how do I put it, grotesquely reckless to first off be jumping to conclusions at all because I thought

These were folks that were very much pro law enforcement and let law enforcement do their investigation, but it has not been stopping people.

I mean, go back to the assassination of Melissa Hortman, the longtime Minnesota House of Representatives speaker when she and her husband were murdered.

Another legislator and spouse were shot and wounded and.

You know, again, you had people who were mocking Governor Tim Walz at the time, making, again, a very loose association to the alleged shooter in this case.

There is just this degree of recklessness or sloppiness, whatever it is that you want to call it, I call it political expediency, political abuse, to want to immediately

use political violence for political purposes and to not focus about bringing everybody together and saying that violence is wrong in any instance, especially political violence when talking about this case.

When you have a group that is singling out a political party and therefore the elected officials and candidates and associating them with violence, again, you're only

urging some of your more extreme followers on to violence themselves and that just should never be accepted in this country in any way shape or form.

Well, of course JD Vance, the vice president after having already jumped to conclusions, ended up getting into a social media spat with a few different folks on the left, some prominent figures there, which again gets back to this notion, whether it's JD Vance or Derek Van Orden.

Don't you have a job?

Don't you have something better to do than to first off even try to be the first to put something

on Twitter, I guess it's because you see yourself as wanting to frame a message.

You want that frame in there before, you know, the facts get in the way.

Think of it like the Mueller report, which did in fact draw connections between Russian involvement that benefited the Trump campaign in 2016, but

Bill Barr, Trump's attorney general at the time, of course, first kind of kept the report under wraps and then gave his spin on it, saying it completely exonerated the Trump campaign when it did nothing of the sort.

But the framing was already there and there are people that still believe it to this day.

And so to this day, there will be people that believe JD Vance and President Trump and others in saying that this was some kind of a, you know, a

Democratic Party operative that was involved in this shooting at this ICE facility in Dallas.

It would be a lot like claiming when, say, Speaker Nancy Pelosi's husband was attacked that you would have people saying that this was a, you know, a Republican Party job all the way.

I would have really preferred back at that point if Republican politicians had been more widespread in condemning the attack.

And instead what followed was mockery and I mean, just morbid humor about the attack, which again, if you don't want to condemn the violence, that's your business.

But when you end up making light of it, that is tacit encouragement to others to continue the cycle.

We need to talk about the ways that some of these folks have.

easy access to guns, there are red flag laws that should be applied in these instances, and there should be every possible effort to bring down the temperature in the room.

And instead, by politicians getting on social media right away, or by politicians like Derek Van Orden spending days and days afterwards continuing to try to make political hay out of an act of violence, they're doing nothing to lower the temperature of the discourse out there.

And again, this isn't a partisan matter.

It's not like somebody should be calling on the entire Republican Party, but we should be calling on every conservative elected official or figure out there to say that we should be able to do better than this, to condemn violence in all of its forms, even if you think they were motivated by your side of the spectrum.

Your view of them should be basically get off my team, because that's not what we do.

We have to win based on our ideas, based on the things that we can do, not the violence that we can continue to perpetuate across this country.

When we come back, we will talk to State Democratic Party Chair, Devin Remaker.

We'll talk about Tom Tiffany's entry onto the Republican side of the governor's race and the many primaries shaping up in 2026.

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All right, we've talked about a couple of political matters today, obviously already, not just the

political violence in Dallas from yesterday that I mentioned in our previous segment, but the entry of Congressman Tom Tiffany into the governor's race, his attempt to shift his stance on abortion, and also the fact that 2026 is going to be one busy year, not just the general election, but there will be primaries in

many districts, congressional districts, legislative districts, governor and more.

So it's a lot of plates to keep spinning if you're the state party chair.

And yet Devin Rummicker signed up for the gig.

And so here he is joining us now.

Devin, it's nice to have you here.

Thanks for joining us this morning.

Thanks

for

having me, Pat.

Appreciate

it.

Let's start first with an overview.

You succeeded Ben Wickler, well, not that terribly long ago.

So what have you...

What do you think of the job so far?

This is your chance to say, my God, what have I done?

Get me out of here.

Well, I'm really enjoying it.

Thankfully, having worked with Ben and even Chair Martha Lanning before, I very much knew what I was signing up for.

It's obviously been an

action-packed first three months on the job, starting July 1st between the state budget, the federal budget, the Governor's announced that he's not seeking reelection and are growing crop of fantastic nominees for governor and offices all around the state.

So I'm just really excited to be able to keep up the fight.

Proud to have continued our success on many fronts, including beating the state Republican Party three to one on the latest finance report in

August.

There you go.

See, there's plenty of enthusiasm already.

seen not just in those contributions, but in candidates as well.

So we will get to that, but I think we'll probably go in order of how I introduce the segment here.

So let's start with the political violence of Dallas and of course other recent events as well.

And in my mind from a Wisconsin standpoint, you can't talk about the reaction to political violence without talking about the.

shall we say, emotionally supercharged and threatening tweets from Congressman Derrick Van Orden.

But then you had, you know, responses from the president and vice president of the United States yesterday.

And so I'd kind of like to start with your own reaction to what you believe political figures from both parties ought to be saying when we have episodes of political violence like this in our country.

So, when the trashing shooting of Charlie from Captain's, I spoke out very quickly and clearly, calling for folks to turn down the rhetoric and the temperature.

I genuinely believe that political violence has no place in our dialogue and in our political system.

Unfortunately, what we have seen are folks like Derek Van Orden fanning the flames with very, very inflammatory rhetoric.

I mean, I think he was up to over 700 tweets doing everything from calling for basically another civil war to threaten you to take away funding from the Mayo Clinic and the city of Eau Claire and Ellsworth within his own district along with hospital networks.

absolutely deranged what he is doing.

You know, even yesterday he was threatening to hold the Wisconsin Democratic Party legally accountable.

And we have Vice President JD Vance basically telling

at least half of the country's population that they can go straight to hell.

It is really sad.

It is really unfortunate.

And I think that we have the opportunity to turn the page on this divisive rhetoric, this inflammatory rhetoric in 2026.

And I'm looking forward to the opportunity to do that.

Now, Jimmy Kimmel is not the most important political figure today, but his return to TV yesterday

Told me or the day before I should say told me that there there may be a turn that's being made a pivot in terms of

the recognition of ordinary Americans that, yeah, they're used to political back and forth, but there's something in this particular case about, you know, taking a talk show host off the air for things that he said.

There were plenty of conservatives that came to Jimmy Kimmel's defense as well.

I wonder if you sense that in the general public or is this kind of a one off and it'll quickly be forgotten until the next time Donald Trump and his FCC chair and others try to restrict people.

First Amendment rights.

I don't think it will be easily forgotten.

I think this was a wake-up call for a lot of people.

The silencing of free speech by conservatives was really pushed in the last few weeks and it really culminated with the taking off the air of Jimmy Kimmel.

I think that when folks are trying to stop.

people from speaking out.

That is the time to speak louder than before.

I think a lot of people heard that loud and clear.

And it also laid bare a lot of the Republican hypocrisy on this issue.

I mean, I almost feel bad for some of the folks to have to clean up for Donald Trump sometimes, but they were spending weeks or a week rather saying that this was a business decision, that the government had nothing to do with it.

And then Donald Trump just goes out and tweets that he's going to take another run at ABC to try to get Kimmel off the air.

I mean, it's very clear what he's doing.

He's weaponizing the federal government to silence his dissent and to silence critics in his political opposition.

that is a very stark and important moment for our country to take note of.

I certainly don't think this is going to be the last time we see something like that of the administration and it makes our fight back all the more important.

We're talking to Devin Remacher.

He's the chair of the Democratic Party of Wisconsin.

And there are already multiple Democratic candidates running for governor.

But we're going to start on the Republican side where they now have their first marquee name.

Perhaps only their only one.

I don't know who will potentially come in and run for governor on the Republican side.

But Congressman Tom Tiffany is is a big name.

But what's your assessment of him as a potential nominee when defending the governor's race next year?

Well, whether it's supporting the GOPs and Donald Trump's tariffs, taxes on working-class Wisconsinites, taking away health care from working-class Wisconsinites, he's been

in

lockstep with the administration every step of the way.

And I think Tom Tiffany is somebody who we look at as just another stooge, a mogul loyalist that is going to put Washington DC and Donald Trump before...

Washington County and the rest of Wisconsin and at the end of the day

I'm really looking forward to making sure every single Wisconsinite knows his track record.

We're able to hold him accountable.

I think he's going to try to moderate himself as we always see Republicans do in these races and we're not going to get away with it.

We're going to make sure everyone knows Tariff Tom's real record of devastating working class Wisconsinites.

And one of those examples that I think folks noticed pretty quickly deals with women's reproductive health rights where, you know, he has sponsored bills that would amount to.

total abortion bans, but is currently using some interesting verbal gymnastics to talk about, you know, supporting and maintaining the state's current 20-week law.

But much like Scott Walker with Act 10 and with Union busting laws, much like, I don't know, Supreme Court justices and Roe v. Wade, there seems to me to be kind of a trustworthy factor when it comes to Tom Tiffany trying to pretend that he would not push for a six-week or total abortion ban if he were to get elected.

You took the words right out of my mouth.

We have seen time and time again Republicans say one thing to get elected and do another.

They consistently betrayed their constituents and the promises that they make on the campaign trail.

Whether it's one of the examples you just gave, whether it was Scott Walker kind of putting out an ad that indicated he was a little bit more friendly on choice and then immediately moving into abortion ban once again in the state of Wisconsin.

when he was elected, the core of it is that Tom Tiffany supported a six-week abortion ban during his time in Congress.

He supported the bans that Republicans tried to move when he was in the state legislature.

And we have also seen him help support Donald Trump's betrayal of his promises and the Republican Party's promises in 2024.

They said they weren't going to touch people's Medicare, that they were going to stay away from Social Security.

And we saw in the wake of the last budget being passed that Trump officials

commented that this is a back door for them to privatize Social Security.

You simply cannot trust these individuals.

And you can't trust them, Tom.

Might end up right alongside Toxic Tom and Tariff Tom, because it is a common theme.

We're talking to Devin Remacher.

He's the chair of the Democratic Party of Wisconsin.

The Democratic Party attracting a lot of candidates already for governor.

That's not unexpected, but also multiple candidates in a couple of congressional districts, the third district in Western Wisconsin, the eighth district in Northeast Wisconsin.

And now there are multiple Democrats running in some legislative races that have announced already.

So Devin, you've worked with the party for many years.

You're the new chair, but you've seen more than your share of primaries.

What's your overview of not just the role of the state party, but frankly, there are a lot of county parties out there that, you know, the people kind of come and go in leadership positions.

So what is it that you want people to know about how state and county parties treat primaries as we head into a very busy season before August of next year?

Absolutely.

So.

primaries from my personal perspective and what I bring into the role at the party is that they're a healthy process.

They are a way for candidates to be able to share their vision, ideas, and for the party to align around what our future is and what we're looking for out of the next generation of leadership.

And I think right now, and when there's a lot of folks that are trying to figure out what that looks like for the Democratic Party, both in Wisconsin and across the country, I think this is a really important process.

I think what doesn't help the process is the party

having its thumb on the scale.

So the Democratic Party of Wisconsin, our county parties, our congressional district parties, all of our other units, we're going to be neutral in the governor's race, in congressional district primaries, in state legislative primaries.

And I think that's really important.

One of the courts of Wisconsin is that we have a very late primary.

It's going to be on August 11th next year, which gives us 84 days between the primary and the general election.

And what we can have are folks that have hurt feelings because a thumb was on the scale or they feel like they didn't get a fair shake.

I think an important part to having that process play out is making sure that folks do get that fair shake and the fair process and the party isn't favoring one person or the other.

Because we all have to come together within that 84 day window.

to go toward success.

And we can't do that if we're working through hurt feelings.

I've got about a minute left just to ask you in terms of the governor's race, that the state Democratic Party is already thinking about how best to assist whoever the nominee turns out to be during those 84 days.

What is it that you're doing to help ensure a strong nominee?

Yeah, I'm really excited.

We're partnering with the outgoing governor Tony Evers to have the governor readiness project, which is a all hands on deck effort to make sure that although we are neutral in these primaries, we're not just sitting on our hands until the.

We're going to be focusing on holding the Republicans accountable and making sure that whoever our nominee is.

On election night, on August 11th, they have the team, the resources, and an already weekend opponent so that we can maximize those 84 days.

It is going to be unprecedented in scope and scale, and I am really excited to be able to spend our time focusing on holding Tariff Tom accountable for devastating work in Wisconsin families.

all the way in the run up till the August 11th.

State Democratic Party chair, Devin Remaker, it is great for you to take some time this morning to talk with us, give us a campaign update.

We'll visit again soon.

Have a great day.

Thank you very much, Pat.

Appreciate it.

Yep.

Thank you so much.

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Those of you tuning in and going, hey, it's time for Todd all those weekly visit.

We moved it.

And for good reason.

We've got a little bit more consistency in talking to the folks from the newsroom here at Civic Media.

And so in this segment on Mondays and Wednesdays, you've been seeing Jimmy Cusco talking about things in Southwest Wisconsin that he's following and sports.

And so on Tuesdays and Thursdays in this block, we will be talking to James Kelly from our newsroom in Chippewa Falls, stories that he's following in Western and Northwest Wisconsin.

James, how are you?

I'm good.

You didn't tell me I was taking Todd's spot.

Now I really have to live up to the hype.

No, please don't.

I don't want to hear that you just got out of the shower.

I don't want to hear all the things that can get us in trouble with the FCC.

I'll push that for an hour.

We only need one, Todd Alba.

I'll keep it to myself.

Including, by the way, it was...

We did a story an hour ago.

Parker pitched it.

It was a teacher's assistant who got into some kind of trouble, but the original note said, uh, TA gets into trouble, blah, blah, blah.

I was convinced it was a Todd Alba story.

I'm like, what did he do this time?

I didn't think of that.

Yeah, I did.

That's for sure.

Anyway, so we'll have Todd coming up next.

Folks watching on social media are like, hey, why do you keep putting the Brewer's banner up there?

Because we have Brewer's baseball.

Tomorrow, the final homestand with Cincinnati of the regular season, coverage begins tomorrow at 6.35.

There, now I can take that down and just focus on what James is covering.

Something that we talked about on the show.

already this week but is definitely noteworthy.

Data center is being a hot topic around the state.

The pros and the cons and frankly the things that we still don't know about them and monomony is where we have one of those proposals as well or at least I guess we use past tense now.

We had one of those proposals.

Yeah, it was a very short-lived proposal for the Menominee data center.

It would have been in the town of Red Cedar.

In August, the city annexed and rezoned a portion of that land.

I believe we talked about it then, which led to a lot of community pushback.

People are unsure about the data center.

They have environmental concerns, specifically with water usage.

Later that month, the organizers started having meetings about how they're gonna fight back against this data center.

I thought it was interesting that Mayor Randy Nack just kind of showed up to one.

unannounced said he was just there to, you know, have a drink and relax and ended up talking for about 45 minutes about the data center.

And this week, those plans are officially on pause.

Marinak said he drafted a memo to the company balloonist LLC, advising them that the city is no longer interested in pursuing the project.

And we did not.

No, for me to see the reports, what exactly the data center, who was going to use it or what its exact purpose was?

Is that still an open question?

Yeah, the original plans, when they annexed and rezoned the land, they noted that we're not sure that the data center is even going to go here.

The proposal was brought to us by this company, Balloonist LLC, and construction wouldn't start until at least 2027.

We'd do all the environmental assessments, all that.

And it's still residents were kind of pushing back on that idea, especially because of the water usage specifically.

It was 75,000 gallons of water a day on average.

Gotcha.

Okay.

Before we get to our next story, I do want to just remind folks one more time as we're coming up on eight o'clock here, you've got about three minutes to text us the word fall, F-A-L-L as part of the go for the green and gold text to win contest.

Again, last call for fall, y'all.

F-A-L-L before the end of the segment here with James Kelly.

who also covered another protest at Eau Claire City Hall, I believe having to do with their congressman.

Yeah, this was definitely one of the more interesting protests I've covered recently.

A lot of the talk around these comments that were made by two city council members have revolved around free speech.

That was mentioned at this protest, but I think the more interesting thing is that city council president Emily Berge and organizers were talking about how

even the threat of pulling federal funding from a city like Eau Claire, it doesn't punish the two individuals who made these comments.

And the same thing with Mayo Clinic, it doesn't punish the individuals who make these comments.

It punishes the people who use their services, who rely on the police department, fire department, schools.

It punishes, you know, all the residents of the city rather than just the people who did make those comments.

whether or not you agree with them.

Yeah, let's go up to the Apostle Islands next and an issue that comes up every so often and it's come up again.

The Apostle Islands is not a national park.

It's a national lakeshore.

There are national waterways, all kinds of other things.

The designation of a national park, I mean, to some people it sounds automatic, like, oh, why wouldn't you want that?

Well, there are reasons and so those discussions around the Apostle Islands up north are kind of heating up once again.

Tell us more.

Yeah, so Congressman Tom Tiffany who announced his run for governor earlier this week Said that he had reintroduced the Apostle Islands National Park bill He had introduced it over the summer But according to Bayfields County officials hadn't really gotten too much community input on the matter And they were concerned one about tribal rights which in this updated bill notes that all of those tribal rights and treaties are maintained

And the other concern was the increase in tourism.

While an increase in tourism is generally good, you need to have the space for increased tourism.

And Bayfield County currently has an issue with just their own affordable housing stock on top of the tourism that they do have already from the Apostle Islands, they're still in a popular place to go.

So it's not like they don't have any tourism there.

They just don't really have the capacity for more.

So we'll see if they've...

kind of addressed those issues together going forward.

Yeah, Tony's added on YouTube.

It's a horrible idea.

We don't have the capacity for more people.

Mayors there have said they don't want it.

He says, I think it's just a scheme by Tiffany to mine more land.

That's debatable.

But it is, you know, it also would lead, when you say popularity, that would include development.

And while you can't develop inside a national park, it would mean that on its periphery, there would be certainly an influx of activity as well.

And finally, just a few seconds here.

has a forestry revitalization bill.

What's the short version of that?

The short version is it would convert woody mass, basically trees to aviation fuel.

It would require at least 80% of the wood used to be sourced from Wisconsin up in Hayward, and it would convert 880 tons of wood residue into 48 million gallons of biofuel annually.

The lawmakers who proposed it said they've spoken to Governor Evers, but it's unknown if Governor Evers would actually sign the bill if it came to him.

Yeah, and I definitely want to learn more about this.

And so we're going to be looking into that in the coming days.

James Kelly from our Chippewa Falls newsroom.

Thank you so much, sir.

Have a great day.

Have a good one.

All right.

And we'll have Joseph Pecky and Sean O'Malley about your money in the markets all still ahead.

I'm Pat Crichtlow.

This is the Civic Media Radio Network.

Hey, good morning.

Welcome back.

Nice to have you here.

Kinda sorta up north, I mean...

for the rest of the country, all of Wisconsin is America's up north.

But we're in, we're in Madison today, actually studio A2 along with Parker Olson, who is producing this fine program.

And, and again, we'll say at the top of this hour, believe it or not, we're in the same room.

This is the same room, which is the, this is only the second time that I've done shows down here when, when Parker's here.

And apparently the last time around, I complained.

I,

a little, a little, just a

little about the sparse.

Bear decor void behind me.

Yeah, and so There's there's like this table.

There's multiple spotlights.

There's there's the show logo the old logo But hey, it's a logo something is on a monitor behind me.

I mean this is very Hollywood it is

I have a feeling it's temporary and yet I know you can you can just barely tell on the Parker camera angle though There's a little bit of blue light coming off his microphone stand there.

Oh, yeah That

they'd indicate.

Oh, yeah, none of the banner behind him that says there seems to be did a UFO land in front of him or something What's what's going on?

But

no, it's

just that cry.

Well, it's just me yeah now we turn to his camera in there

There I am over there looking nothing like in the left camera, uh, because in this one, I, I look like I've actually, you know, I'm healthy and have built well fed, not emaciated and green in the gills, like the, the one that you normally have here in the studio.

I will say my camera looks better with there being something over

there.

Well, it's the lighting.

Lighting

is very important.

Brittany's going to back me up on this meteorologist.

Brittany Merleau is here.

Brittany, you've done, you've done a little bit of TV in your day.

Yes, I have and it's all about the lighting it is blinding sometimes.

Yes, it's very Vegas.

I like

it.

I know it really is And again, of course because I've got to say something that makes me sound horribly old But just the if you've ever heard the the term Cleague lighting Cleague was the brand name of these of the old-fashioned spotlights those great big black

cone type spotlights and they were called Klig lights.

And that's what, you know, we had, well, Ford going back 40 years now.

And so when you talk about hot studio lights, that was what people would reference because those puppies, I mean, they were hot.

By comparison, now with all the LEDs and everything, you know, they don't, you don't get that heat source anymore.

Thank goodness.

That's

so true.

Makes me, you're sending me back to my studio days now where the heat.

from those lights, because the meteorologist is always sitting in the studio.

That's our office, right?

All of those lights, they keep the AC on, so cold in the studio.

You're trying to work with those lights.

Oh, it was just blanket time.

It was summer.

Yes, at

ours too, we come into the studio and there's our meteorologist and she'd be in a jacket on a hot day because it was just a, it was a meat locker.

in there because of the old hot lighting.

So I am glad to see that lighting has developed over time here.

Although like our listeners said before, you know, they'd still preferred the natural lighting off the Lake Wasoda studio and the same goes for you.

You've got some very lovely natural lighting there.

So

thank you.

Are you going to tell me that this is all you've got like six ring lights in front of you just to, you know, make it look

proper?

I actually have.

I do have a ring light in front of me.

I have another tall one in the corner.

And then I also have a happy light too.

So three lights from every corner.

Then I got the backlight because you need all of it or it won't work.

Yeah.

You got

the whole three point lighting

thing going on.

Wow.

I was going to say

here, here's my dirty little secret.

There are actually five lights that I have to turn on in my home office for the, for the, for the lighting there.

Are we counting at ceiling lights?

Yeah, there's a ceiling light.

There's a ring light.

There's a halogen light.

There's the bookshelf lights.

And then there's the adjust the curtains for natural lighting.

Wow.

Yeah.

So I guess I'm at the same number then.

Thanks for joining us for lighting talk today where we would normally have a weather report.

But since Brittany's here, I mean, we may as well go ahead because, you know, yesterday all we had was the natural light and that was enough.

It was gorgeous.

And so where do we go from here?

more and more of that natural light.

Plenty of it.

So much of it that maybe some of us will get sick of it.

Nah, we're gonna love it.

We are looking bright and beautiful.

Once this fog clears, it is dense in places.

A lot of spots are already seeing it lift, but the dense fog advisory remains in effect until nine from Ashland to Green Bay and north.

So up north in the state, but it is still in low lying areas, especially in the rivers off West too.

So temperatures this morning, we hit 39 degrees in Merrill.

pretty crisp.

That's because we didn't have many clouds out there.

And so as the fog burns off, it's leading way to beautiful sunshine, mostly sunny statewide.

Nothing happening today.

We're all going to rise to those mid seventies feeling fantastic.

We'll repeat that up north tomorrow.

Some eighties will be felt down south tomorrow and we're going to continue to be in the upper seventies to low eighties for the entire weekend and into early next week.

We hold mild and above average for next week as well.

Because mind you, this time of year, we should be in the upper 60s across the state.

So 80s is fantastic.

And we're going to hold on to that for all next week, too.

I don't see rain in the forecast until next weekend.

And so again, I don't know when everybody's going to be doing their fieldwork, but for any fieldwork, any harvesting that can get done next week, you're welcome.

Because

it's going to be a good week for that, along with anything else that you might be planning.

Brittany Merleau, thank you very much.

Have a great day.

You too.

Thanks.

All right.

Let's bring in Chad Holmes now from 98 nine WXCO in Wausau to talk about the things that he's been following.

He does, of course, you know, 10,000 high school football games this time of year.

He's got, of course, all of the local interviews that he does during this particular program during the seven and eight AM hours.

And then, of course, he's following some national headlines as well.

And so, Chad, I know that

We, we'll talk about Tom Tiffany in a moment here, cause obviously he's the congressman there.

He's running for governor and everything else.

But you, you tell me, you also noticed that one of the congressional candidates in the third district, uh, Becca Cook made a comment and that you heard us talking about it on the show recently, her, her, uh, noting an endorsement of, uh, Zoran Mamdani in the New York city mayor's race.

Well, number one, I'm, I'm a big fan of whenever, uh,

Todd Alba brings on Pat Crite low on his program and then I'm always make sure to tune in and trig v. Olson and you three get together and I have to be you know tuned in because Wednesday's at two o'clock I'm a huge fan and yesterday you guys were talking about this and you all agreed that basically that Becca Cook should not have answered the question on whether or not she

who she would have, who she would support if she was voting.

Yes.

I went

under the supposition that it was a question designed to bait you, that there is no right answer.

So try to come up with the least wrong answer because you're, you're being baited and don't take the bait.

So that was my premise to say, you

don't have to answer it.

So I do not agree.

I have a different premise on a couple of different ways of looking at it.

Number one is, I think,

the idea of, and I heard, I don't know, I think it was maybe you or Trigby talking about instead of answering it that way is that you would, I care about who's the mayor of

Tomah or Lacoste.

Yeah, whatever it may be.

Number one, I think at this point we need folks who are willing to answer the questions and not play the consultant games.

That was my first thought.

It sounded like this is the kind of answer that a consultant would give you.

And basically, my opinion is that the consultants for the Democratic Party have run the party into a ditch and made a bunch of people that are sounding like robotic candidates.

And we hear all the time about the right kind of language, you know, in terms of how Democrats should be running.

And I think we're running these candidates around in circles when we should be looking for the bulwarks of this world right now.

That if there's one thing that MAGA has proven,

Is that they can go as far right as possible if people seem to think that in some way they're being authentic And yet here in this case, that's one part of the Answer and then the second part for somebody like myself And I've said it to you that Becca cook the first thing that pops into my mind.

What is the first thing that pops into my mind?

What have I told you before?

The

commercial with her in the middle

of the road.

Yes, exactly

And basically my thought was when I hear people saying oh, she should

avoid answering the question and she should give the consultant response.

My first thought is well then you may as well dust off the old middle of the road commercial and put that back on because that's exactly what it would have implied to me.

I found that she answered it straightforward as something that was very surprising, number one.

And number two, it gave me more of an appreciation for her.

and for folks like myself, maybe that are not from the mushy middle that, and I'm gonna be maybe a little bit the elbows out here, that the Lincoln Projectization of the Democratic Party.

I think that we have to be thinking a little bit more about the people that bring the passion to the party and not go after people that may or may not vote in the end anyways, because I go back to last year.

There are a lot of folks I would say from that wing of political thinking that thought holy cow This was the most wonderful thing that we ever saw when Liz Cheney and Kamala Harris came to Wisconsin and campaign in the end How many votes did that get?

Not many because the people that were already were voting for Kamala were voting for Kamala the people on the other side of the aisle Looked at Liz Cheney as a trader to the party.

I don't think that running as

for the mushy middle is number one, the smart way to run.

And I don't think it's a successful way to run.

And that's just my opinion.

Again, I just think that we need to grasp the energy.

in order to beat the energy that is out there.

We can talk about Derek Van Orden and how horrible he is, but there are still a lot of people that will crawl on glass to vote for Derek Van Orden.

We need to have people that are willing to crawl on glass to vote for Becca Cook, or whoever wins that Democratic primary.

That's just my thought on, you know, it just, my first thought was, again, the consultants are out there.

to be very moderate and to be trying to get to the middle.

And I just don't think that's a winning.

strategy for Democrats in 2026.

And I completely understand that on its face when both Todd and Trig V said, well, you know, I think the right answer would be, I care who the mayor is in La Crosse or Tomah.

You'll recall that my answer really showed why I would not be a good candidate because my answer would have been a very sincere one.

Don't know.

Don't care.

You know, I'm, I'm running here.

I, the last

thing I care about is

who's running for mayor in New York City.

Can I ask you a question though?

Yeah.

And I'm just generally from what you've seen around the country here when it comes to that particular candidate.

Why is there such a reticence for Democrats to endorse the Democratic nominee?

Would we see anybody that is too conservative in the Democratic Party have all this hand-wringing to be able to say, I support the Democratic nominee for this important office?

I just find that, again, there's this idea that somehow you can always be a little too far to the left, but you can never be too far to the right, whether within the Democratic Party or within the political system itself.

That is a very valid point.

And it's also why I would point people to UpNorthNewsWI.com, because the answer is the S-word, that Zoran Mamdani embraces the term socialist, and there is now a socialist caucus in the Wisconsin legislature made up of four lawmakers, including Christian Phelps of Eau Claire.

And I would really urge people to read the op-ed

that we recently published from him of why...

He is embracing the socialist label.

Fran Hong talked on this program.

Candidate for governor said the same thing, that that socialist label holds her accountable to keeping her promise that things should benefit everybody, not just a few.

Now the answer to your question is, of course, a lot of consultants and party leaders, I mean, they still pucker up like crazy at the mere mention of the S word.

And you've got people like Francesca Hong and Christian Phelps and Zaron Mamdani pushing back and saying, no, no, no.

We're embracing these values and they're doing just what you're saying is be honest and fight for what you believe in

and real quickly as well if you look at the recent polling on these issues if we can somehow get

to a real discussion of issues.

And that, and that, that's on me and that's on other people with microphones.

That would go a long way towards taking away maybe some of that stigma as well.

Yeah, exactly.

So there you go.

It's Tony puts on YouTube sneakily spicy Chad today.

Chad Holmes catch them on 98.

Oh, perspective.

That's what we do around here, right?

No, it's our, it's our, it's our stock and trade.

Thank you, Chad.

Appreciate it.

Have a great day.

All right.

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Time to talk about your money in the markets with Sean O'Malley joining us right now.

And the theme that I take from this is, you know, both businesses and workers are girding.

for whatever it is that might be next.

Or I've also likened them Sean to the squirrels in the backyard, which seem especially active this fall, burying acorns.

It's like they know winter is coming.

And I kind of get that impression from people around the economy as well, but I don't know, maybe I'm being alarmist here.

How are you looking at things this morning?

Yeah, no, I think you're you're dead on with that one and we've we mentioned it before That you know people are making different buying decisions than they would normally because you know the pocketbook is more Constrained, you know prices are up for a lot of things and you know the overall picture isn't great that's been reflected in the updated GDP forecast from the the OECD

That puts out, you know global forecasts for each country and They've got the 2026 forecast.

It's a range But it's a lot lower than what we would want and probably a lot lower than what people are some people are expecting They're expecting GDP growth between 1.5 and 1.8 percent So clearly, you know slower economic growth which aligns with what?

You know the consumers with the average Americans are seeing out there they are.

They're not making any big decisions they're kind of hanging on to what they got and not making any major financial moves.

Well and the same goes as well for.

uh, businesses and inventories, you know, with, with tariffs coming and everything.

So yeah, I, I, I guess I'll stick with my analogy there.

And I guess if, if I want to try to ask the question fairly, it's, is it inevitable that after having such a strong recovery coming out of the pandemic, that this is where we would be anyway, as opposed to whether this is, shall we say, enhanced by things like Donald Trump starting a trade war.

Well, things do always move in cycles, but they don't usually move in cycles that are this rapid with this big of a change We had very strong, you know, fourth quarter 2024 GDP numbers

We looked at the updated numbers that just came out this morning.

They revised Q1 down a little bit more.

It had been at down 0.5%.

It went down to 0.6%.

The big surprise though was the revision upwards for second quarter, which had been at 3.3% and now got revised upward to 3.8%.

But now you got to keep in mind.

Similar to those consumers and those squirrels storing away their nuts.

That

was largely that that economic growth in second quarter was largely driven by businesses stockpiling goods because they wanted to get all the goods that they could before the tariffs hit in August.

But there was a little problem with that.

Right now we're looking at a situation where the inventories of unsold goods

posted a record rise per the S&P purchasing managers index, which tracks things like inventory.

So the statement from that was the buildup of finished goods inventories is the largest it's been in 18 years.

So what happened apparently is that, yeah, we have the surge in second quarter GDP,

because everybody was buying those goods to store them away like, you know, squirrels nuts getting ready for winter.

And now that the tariffs have hit and nobody's buying, nobody's making those big financial decisions.

Now businesses are sitting on record amounts of unsold finished goods for inventory.

And speaking of inventory, we have another problem with the agriculture picture as well, where farmers are thinking how they're going to

try to maximize their profits.

They don't want to sell right now, because we do have the tariffs in a trade war right now.

I was at Farm Aid this last weekend, and there was a lot of talk about that in the crowd by the performers.

And the problem that they're seeing is that, OK, we can't really sell it right now, so maybe we can store it.

But then you look at the available storage throughout the region.

the US, the two states that are probably in the best shape are Minnesota and Wisconsin where it's almost exactly a 100% match.

Most of the others do not have enough capacity to store what they have produced.

So we do have an enhanced situation where the tariffs and the resulting trade wars have really sort of

put things out of whack.

So what we would normally be having would be these, you know, slow sort of natural movements now get very exaggerated and get very magnified.

by the impact of the tariffs as well as trade responses from our trade partners?

I've got less than a minute to ask you this, but when you see this, you know, squirrels burying acorns because they think something may be coming along, how do we bring that back to the individual and what they're doing with their 401k or anything like that?

And would I be right reading the word caution into what they should be thinking in terms of their own portfolio?

Yeah, right now as a matter of fact It's interesting you mentioned that I saw something just the other day Where a Fed chairman Powell made a statement about stock prices, which is not very normal for a Fed chairman to make but he said that they were

You know, relatively high was, you know, sort of guarded

language, but read between the lines.

Yes, you can.

So yeah, there you go.

Uh, Sean O'Malley will join us, uh, after the opening bell here for a bit.

And then we will be talking with Joseph Pecky about the week's political headlines as well.

I'm Pat Crite low here in Madison, live on the civic media radio network back in a bit.

Welcome back live from Madison Studio A2 here with Parker Olson producing in the same room together.

It's hard to tell, but yes, we are here.

It's

an experience.

It is an experience, yes.

We'll do that again today and again tomorrow.

Anyway, it's a Thursday morning, which means that on Friday morning, I will be starting to tease our question of the week in our Sunday morning newsletter, but this week's question is who's to blame if there's another government shutdown, which could happen in the mid...

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Let's talk about your money in the markets after the opening bell here with Sean O'Malley and then Joseph Pecky to follow in just a little bit.

Our theme would be squirrels, uh, squirrels that are.

Baring acorns, they sure are in my backyard.

They're just going crazy.

It's making me a little nervous about winter.

We know that businesses have been stockpiling inventories, but what about employees?

What about workers, job seekers, things like that?

What, what kind of, are we seeing similar behavior, like a wariness of what may be yet to come in the economy?

Yes, absolutely, Pat.

Everybody is basically going for the safety play, is going for the known rather than the unknown.

So what you're seeing is that the labor market is actually starting to freeze up.

This is because fewer Americans are willing to quit their jobs.

And hiring, of course, has slowed because there are fewer jobs to be had, which results in

labor market that overall has increasingly limited mobility.

There's nobody, you know, trading one job for another, so everything's sort of just holding steady, kind of frozen, if you will.

And all of this is kind of ironic because the dissatisfaction, the job dissatisfaction rates among U.S.

workers keeps rising.

But they're staying putting their jobs because of the economic uncertainty.

So they're making sure that they keep getting with those nuts to, you know, store away for wintertime and they're not taking any chances.

They're not taking any flyers on, oh, let me start a new job.

Let me leave my job and start a new business.

There's just too much uncertainty to...

really feel like you can do that with confidence.

How does that tie in or does it tie in with some of the latest weekly initial jobless claims numbers?

Yeah, the weekly initial jobless numbers were not horrible, 218,000.

So it is moderating a bit.

But we'll see what the full picture looks like when we're looking at, you know, the unemployment numbers.

You still have, you know, just

limited hiring going on so even though thank heavens we're seeing few fewer people file initial jobless claims.

There are, and if the trend continues that we've seen the last several months, there's not going to be nearly enough replacement to keep the jobs picture growing.

And it's been, as we've talked about several times before, very anemic for the last handful of months.

Go bury those acorns, people.

Sean O'Malley, thank you very much for the update on your money and the markets.

Have a good start to the weekend.

Thanks for that.

You too.

All right.

Thank you very much.

Let's bring in Joseph.

Becky now to talk about some of the headlines of the week, which certainly include the aforementioned possible government shutdown, the entry of Tom Tiffany into the governor's race and more.

Joe, how are you today?

I'm okay.

Okay.

Uh, what's, uh, are you, uh, much like talking to Melissa yesterday, we were talking about ragweed and seasonal allergies and things like that.

Is that, are you one of the people laid low by that?

I would not ever describe myself as laid low, Pat.

I'm pretty tough to lay low.

But if you can hear my voice, I may not be operating at peak capacity today.

Well,

that's different than being laid low.

Yes.

That's vocal capacity is, is mental acuity sharp as ever.

So, uh, how would you welcome Republican Tom Tiffany to the 2026 Wisconsin governor's race?

Come on in, Tom.

The water's fine.

This is a boon for Democrats.

This guy is the immediate front-runner for the Republican nomination.

I don't know if you've heard, but Bill Barrion hasn't had the best week.

No, he has not.

People are beside themselves with a Congress that refuses to stand up to Donald Trump who cannot legislate

or govern.

And when they do, one time in, what are we on here, 230 or 40 days of the Trump 2.0 presidency, what they do is, like Tom Tiffany, vote to add $4 trillion to the national debt, kick hundreds of thousands of Wisconsinites off health care,

make it harder for rural hospitals to operate, also they can give another handout to millionaires and billionaires.

And Tom Tiffany and the Republican Party in their infinite wisdom go, I know what the people want, that.

Okay, come on in Tommy.

And so in he is and I mean that's without even going you know on his Attempt to shift his position on women's reproductive health rights.

I mean the economic issues alone Tell you that that Tom Tiffany is is not going to appeal to moderate voters He's gonna have to work really hard or scare them with something else, but you know to

to be fair, I guess, if you want to, if fair is the right word, Tom Tiffany's original state senate district and his congressional district, those positions he has, you know, they serve him well in those deep red districts.

It's just that now he may be in for a bit of an awakening when it comes to trying to win a statewide race.

Among the things that Congress has been derelict in, among the things that Tom Tiffany apparently can't be bothered to figure out while he's plotting his run for governor,

is how to stop a tariff war that is killing farmers in his own district.

Good luck selling soybeans right now.

Farmers across Wisconsin are going, what the hell is happening?

And Tom Tiffany and MAGA Republicans can't be bothered to put a check on this president's clearly illegal tariffs that are killing

their ability to move goods to market.

Okay, I mean, listen, I understand this is what I'll say to defend Tom Tiffany.

I can understand why you wouldn't want to be in Washington DC or serving in the Republican Congress right now, but good grief, man, do something.

Your people in Northern Wisconsin hired you to fight for them.

And he can't be bothered to do that because it would annoy Donald Trump.

And so,

I understand why he wants to get out of the swamp, but I don't understand what case he thinks he can legitimately make and say, this is when I stood up for my people.

This is when I went to fight for our farmers.

This is when I got out of bed and said, Wisconsin manufacturers need an ally and I'm gonna be it.

How can you do that?

I don't think you can.

We're talking to Joseph Pecky.

Let's go over to the Democratic side where last hour we had Devon Remaker, the state Democratic Party chair on, and I asked him about, you know, what will most likely be many contentious Democratic primaries for congressional seats, for legislative seats, and of course, certainly for governor.

And, you know, he answers as a state party chair should, but

Joe, in terms of, you know, what your own advice as a strategist would be, again, I know varies from candidate to candidate and from district to district.

So let me ask it in some kind of a broad overarching way and then you go wherever you want with this.

But should there be a concern that the primary is August 11th next year, that August 12th, the headline will be

Democrats in complete disarray after several bruising primaries is there?

And if so, how do they avoid having a headline like that?

There are 319 days until August 11th.

That is several political lifetimes.

And I don't buy that there are going to be contentious Democratic primaries.

I think there will be competitive.

Democratic primaries.

And they don't have to be contentious.

Look no further than your two interview guests this morning.

Devin and I ran against each other in what is basically a primary.

We didn't get contentious.

I think the Democratic Party emerged stronger from that process because people had an opportunity to hear competing visions, not like huge differences, but we kept it civil.

We kept it above board.

We talked about how we were going to revitalize the Democratic Party.

And Devin came out ahead.

And my message every single day since then has been, we need Devin to succeed.

We need a strong Democratic Party.

There's no contentiousness.

So there doesn't have to be contentiousness after a primary.

There doesn't have to be disarray.

And I don't think there will be, because Democrats from tip to tail across this state understand the gravity of the moment we're in, where a mega majority Congress

is abdicating its constitutional responsibility to be a check and balance on an out-of-control president who is undermining the rule of law, who is destroying due process, who has launched this insane tariff war with our best trading partners.

That's the focus, and I believe that Democrats will keep their eyes on the prize.

And after competitive primaries, everybody will be on the same team the next day, going, we need to elect a pro-democracy and therefore big D Democratic majority to the United States House.

We need to hold on to the governor's mansion and we need to flip control of the Wisconsin state legislature.

That's what's going to happen.

As noted on YouTube from Tony's he says Joseph Becky and Devin Remacher.

Where's William Garcia?

Well they tell you what?

William Garcia the chair of the third congressional district Dems is welcome anytime especially given recent events Joe about their congressman Derek Van Orden and I know we've discussed it before but I do feel like and I don't feel like I'm comparing apples to oranges and talking about Derek Van Orden and Jimmy Kimmel

being brought back by ABC.

In both cases, I feel like there's now been a backlash to the backlash where people have said, hey, we get that you were upset about, you know, the Charlie Kirk killing, but you guys have gone way overboard with your reaction to it.

Well, I think we have to detach the two issues.

Political violence is wrong.

Full stop.

Charlie Kirk's widow, Erica, at that memorial service on Sunday, did one of the most remarkable things I've ever seen in forgiving her husband's assassin.

I mean, like, that is actual, like, wow.

How does anybody get there?

That is over here.

On the other hand, you have, again, this out-of-control president who is clearly looking for a pretext to fire Jimmy Kimmel.

I mean, among the insanity of this week was Republicans rushing out to the shows and going online and saying, no, no, no, this wasn't government censorship.

And then as soon as Kimmel goes back on the air, Donald Trump was like, yeah, it was.

I still want him gone.

And so those are two separate issues to me.

And it just underscores the gravity of the moment that we're in.

It does.

And again, the inability of leaders on the political right to try to strike any kind of court of unity, witnessing how J.D.

Vance reacted to the shooting at an ICE facility in Dallas yesterday, these are folks in Vance and Van Orden and Trump and others who quite seriously need to have to take their phones taken away, take that little tiny keyboard away, and maybe react like leaders and grown-ups.

Yeah, JD Vance, the vice president of the United States, he has access to information and for him to rush out and ascribe a motive before any information is known is the height of irresponsibility.

Joe's Pecky's here with us and we will be joined by Todd Alba in just a bit for some final news and notes from here on Lake Wissota, from here in Madison.

Hey, it

took you a while to get tripped up.

Look, it took until 8.48.

Good

for me.

Yeah, for where we're going to be today and then again tomorrow doing the programs from here and tomorrow, of course, we'll have our, by and large, our regular weekend review panel.

So stick around for that, Dr. Kristen Lyerle and Mike Clemens with a weekend sports update.

I'm Pat Krightlow.

This is

the Civic Media Radio Network.

This is normally at the time when I would tell you to stick around for Matt Nair on air that's coming up next with Jane Matt Nair and Greg Bach.

And normally I would have in front of me something that would tell me about guests or anything like that.

But hanging out here in Madison, having a good time with Parker, and it occurs to me, I, I didn't, I didn't do that.

I will tell you that on the Todd Alba show coming up later today, Dan Schaefer will be, no, wait, I don't have to do that.

Todd Alba's here.

Right here, along with Joseph Peckie, who continues with us.

Todd, how are ya?

And who the heck is on your show today?

I'm well, I'm well.

Gentlemen, good to see you all.

We have the great Dan Schaefer of the Reconpopulation Area and Civic Media's political editor.

I know Dan's gonna want to talk politics, but I'm going to ask him his second love, which is, is there truly a connection to keeping Giannis onto the cupo there by signing his brother?

So we'll be talking a little bucks strategy and of course the crew back in town in Milwaukee for their final home game The regular season they have one game left to secure the number one overall seed to baseball Which would give them home field advantage and family field throughout the world series.

I don't want to jinx it

fingers there.

Yeah

I don't know.

And then we've got Keegan Kelly from Cracked.com, entertainment writer on the ramifications of Jimmy Kimmel coming back to ABC and what that means for free speech and entertainment.

all of us and we'll pay tribute to you packed quite low with talking about him grousing about the fact he has his old logo behind him.

I wasn't the one to put my own face on my logo.

Well, that's true.

I offered to put the current logo back there.

No, no, no, just put the Up North News one.

We have an updated Up North News logo that I needed to

get you and

I neglected to do that.

Joe Speck is here as well.

Joe, you said you wanted to take a crack at our question of the week from our Sunday morning newsletter.

Sign up at UpNorthNewsWI.com.

Who is to blame if there's a government shutdown next week?

Is it congressional Republicans who can't shoot straight?

Is it Democrats who are being obstinate and a lot of Americans are going to hurt from a government shutdown?

Or is it President Trump more so than congressional Republicans because Mr. Art of the Deal should be able to work something out?

A lot of our answers

have been, they want to pick A and C, which means like, oh, you can't get away with that.

Is it more on the congressional Republicans or is it more on Trump?

Or is it the Democrats?

Joe, where do you come down?

It's on Republicans

who control the White House, the Senate, and the U.S.

House of Representatives.

Democrats have like the tiniest little smidge bot of power in Washington.

And what they are saying is, oh,

You need just the tiniest little smidgebot of health to keep the government open?

Great.

We are prepared to deal.

Here's the deal.

We want you to stop health care costs from going even higher on 20 million Americans.

And so if you would just do that one thing, which is probably to your benefit politically, then we'll get you the votes you need.

and Republicans can't be bothered to say, yeah, that seems like a good trade.

So clearly, it is not as simple as it's Donald Trump or congressional Republicans.

It's the whole lot of them.

All Democrats want is for 20 million people to not have to pay even more for health care next year and Republicans can't be bothered.

Give me a break.

But if they don't do that, and if there is a shutdown, and a lot of people do get hurt, the question Todd Alba becomes, I don't know, is the question whether a few Democrats caved to end the shutdown, or is the question when will a few Democrats caved to end the shutdown?

As Todd Alba likes to say, what say you?

I blame Bill Barion because he's bringing back an old 1990s Bill Clinton strategy of triangulation.

Not that kind of triangulation.

No, no, no.

That's who I would blame.

But I get, yeah, I really hope Democrats hold the ground.

Pat, you've been an elected official.

I lost two primaries.

I think when you're hearing from your constituents and they're saying, we're not going to vote for you again unless you do something, quote, unquote, that puts a lot of pressure on people.

You know, I would never second guess Joseph Pecky.

I guess I would put a little bit more in Trump.

I mean, after all, he's the guy who said, I alone killed immigration.

I alone controlled the budget.

If Donald Trump really wanted a budget passed and to save Americans from a hurt,

Apparently, he could do that.

So I would put it back on him.

Donald Trump will always, always shoot the hostage.

I mean, he's even preparing for massive layoffs over and above what a shutdown would call for, Joe.

So it is a fair question to you as well, is can Democrats and Congress hold the line so that public pressure eventually comes down against congressional Republicans and Trump?

They need to.

The economy is teetering right now.

The last thing we need is a extended government shutdown.

And if that's what happens, it is the fault of Republicans from one end of Pennsylvania Avenue to another.

Now, now will they get that successfully message that way?

That that finally becomes the trick.

Um, Todd, I know you've, I'm sure you've mentioned it at nauseam on your show, but, uh, Tom Tiffany entered the governor's race, uh, and you and I have not talked about it here.

Uh, Joe and I both talked about how he, he does not have a record built for the moderate voter.

And so he might have a tougher row to hoe than, than some other Republicans who could get in.

But is that something that he can overcome with enough, you know, funding and consultants and everything like that?

I think one of the people that said this is probably, if Trump decides to endorse Tiffany, it's probably the biggest gift Democrats could have in a general election.

I've had the displeasure of being in the same room with Tom Tiffany when I worked with my old boss in the state Senate.

He is not deep when it comes to understanding issues and he goes to the lowest hanging fruit.

You already saw some pretty hateful and easy things for a Republican to go after in a general election.

And I agree with Joe and others that I just don't think that plays across the state of Wisconsin.

And you know, uh, the last thing I'll say about it is he loves, and he keeps using it this week.

He loves the phrase, communist China.

And anytime somebody says communist China instead of China, uh, tells, tells me it's right in line with what you said about, uh, being not particularly deep on the issues.

Joseph, Becky Todd, all but thanks to both of you guys have a great rest of your day.

Feel

better,

y'all.

Have some tea.

There you go.

Some brewers.

That's right.

We got that coming for us.

Thank you.

And thanks to all of you for joining us as well.

I'm Pat Cridler here in Madison.

Back here tomorrow morning, 6 a.m.

Have a great day.

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