The Anemic Economic Enigma (Hour 3)

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The Anemic Economic Enigma (Hour 3)

Mornings with Pat Kreitlow · Thu Jul 31, 2025

Live, across Wisconsin on Civic Media, you're listening to Mornings with Pat Kratlow powered by Up North News.

Now, for my Lake Mesota studio, here is the founding editor of Up North News, Pat Kratlow.

Well, hey there Wisconsin.

Good morning.

It is a hazy Lake was soda that we're gazing over smoky, I guess is the right word for it.

Nice to have you here up north from wherever you're spending your mornings listening across the civic media radio network.

And if you're joining us by one of the many other platforms and ways to get this show, again, thank you for taking the time to look us up and get your day started right here.

Parker Olson produces this little shindig out of Madison Studio A2 200 miles away from here at the top of State Street, one block off the state Capitol.

Mr. Olson, how are you?

Doing well, Pat.

It's been

a weird morning.

It's so dark here.

I don't know why it's dark here and it's a lot of it I think is the air quality plus you know the sun isn't coming up quite as early but it is just

don't it's weird that part of it's

weird out there I've got in in our bedroom I've got like this air purifier thing

it's

it's mostly for white noise to be honest but it's an air purifier that's fine we didn't have the

the patio door open, you know, for more than a couple of minutes while running in and out and doing things.

And by the time that happened, like less than five minutes.

And the little indicator on it was already like this bright red, like the air in this room is not good.

I'm

like, I'm, I

am, I am not surprised at all.

Cause it's just, you know, thought about going for a boat ride last evening and there was like nobody out on the lake and I could see why we were out for that short time.

We're like.

No, this just isn't enjoyable.

When I was leaving yesterday, it was raining so hard.

I couldn't see hardly at all across the lake.

It was like a white wall.

It was a sheet.

Yeah.

Yeah, it's no good, no bueno.

Again, there's nothing we can do.

We don't have a big old fire extinguisher for Canada here.

It's

almost

like the climate is changing or something.

It's making things

weird that we have to

live with.

You

know, it's funny to say that.

I was talking to Brittany about that the other day.

Yeah, the jet streams, they're bringing some stuff over here.

It's different than it used to be.

Alicia puts on YouTube.

It's so hazy here.

The sun is orange this morning.

At least you're seeing a little sun.

We're not even seeing that yet.

The clouds are going to be moving away and that's going to be nice and Brittany Merleau will have our detailed forecast coming up in just a bit.

I normally start off.

I want to ask you a question.

I like to get your day started with, you know, just thinking a little bit here.

And some days I'm kind of like struggling like, oh, what's my question going to be off the top?

Turns out I actually have several here.

So I wanted.

Parker to, to help me out with some of this.

Time for the

mornings with Pet Crite Low Survey.

Here we go.

Yes, exactly.

So it was good.

I had, I'm up to four different options here.

It was going to be, I got a question for you.

Have you turned in?

Have you mailed in your second half property taxes yet?

Because they are due today.

And every homeowner out there who pays them into installments is like, Oh, shoot.

Yeah.

Okay.

Get that in.

Got to be postmarked by today or bring it in.

Then there was, I got a question for you.

Is it all over for the Milwaukee Brewers?

Is it it?

Should we just pack it up

and go,

yep, season's done after getting shellacked by the Cubs yesterday?

The answer, of course, it's a rhetorical question.

No, but it seems like we always need one of those games at American Family Field where you hear all the Cubs fans and it's just annoying.

It sucks.

I saw Dan Schaefer on Twitter yesterday saying,

that he saw more accidents than ever before yesterday because of how many fibs were leaving and because of the rain and they were happy because they won a game.

So they had been.

Yes.

So there might have been some liquid happiness involved in there too.

Yeah, that's no fun.

So no, it's not all over, but we'll talk about the Burbs Cubs game in just a bit.

I got a question for you.

You ever sometimes wonder, you take a moment and you change the focus of your eyes and you look at your glasses and you go, how am I seeing out of these things?

Did a dog lick them and I just wasn't aware?

That's a good question.

There was actually been Parker and I both wore glasses, but there was like a dead spot on my screen as I'm looking at my notes and I kind of lift my chin up a little bit.

I'm like, oh no, that's my glasses.

That's what that is.

I should clean those things off.

And then right at the last second, I stumbled upon this looking through the entertainment news today.

I got a question for you.

Leslie Nielsen and the naked gun.

Is it going to work or not?

I don't know enough about pop culture.

Um, well, I

suppose you probably know, did watch little or none of Leslie Nielsen in the naked gun, which I think makes you the perfect subject for

this because

you won't have any of Leslie Nielsen's classic, you know, comedy to fall back on her or to refer to.

So you have an assignment now and I know you're busy.

I know you got all those mallards games and nightmares games to work and everything else, but sometime in the very near future.

Yeah, one or two weeks here.

You got to go see the naked gun.

I will go see the naked gun.

I will obviously compare it to the 1988 original.

And the thing to know about this that I know you and any younger listeners out there don't know is Leslie Nielsen.

Sure, we look at him now as this comedic actor.

He was hilarious doing the naked gun and police squad and all of that.

But what you may not know is he was

quite the serious, dramatic, tough guy actor prior to that, which is what makes this so interesting for Liam Neeson doing the same thing.

He's going from, you know, I have a unique set of skills, I'm going to kill you, to, you know, playing, you know, Lieutenant Frank Drebben.

And now he's Frank Drebben Jr.

in this one.

So can he too make the move from drama to comedy?

And we've seen other actors do it, and I always love when they do it.

Not everyone pulls it off, but when they do, it's very cool.

And I have every reason to think Liam Neeson can pull this off.

As far as I know, Liam Neeson is a very, very good actor.

I would think he's got that in his bag.

Yeah, so well, we've got that.

So there's there's an assignment for for the listeners as well.

We don't often, you know, say as part of your homework, go see a movie.

But here's the thing.

It's smoky is all get out out there.

And if you can't do much outside, the theater is air conditioned.

So let's

let's go

to the movies together.

Bring

your air purifier.

Yeah.

Luke on the text line.

I really hope they don't try to remake airplane.

But if they do, Yannis better get cast in the movie in the Korean Abdul Chabar role.

That would be the best.

That would be awesome.

Luke, Luke saying, I really hope they don't try to make airplane.

You had me there.

But as soon as you had the idea of putting Yannis in the cockpit, now I'm in.

Now I got to see this.

I've got to see this.

Because again, you saw like Peter Graves was in airplane.

He'd been in all the Mission Impossible series.

Nobody thought he could pull off comedy.

You know, and he did.

And of course that's where Leslie Nielsen had his first turn in comedy.

I love when athletes find their way into movies.

Like, I think there's four or five Packers that are in one of the pitch perfect movies and it's awesome.

Oh, those are good.

It's when they tried to make it all about themselves, looking at you, Shaq Fu, you know, that it doesn't really work out.

Yeesh, Tony on YouTube.

I have complete confidence in Liam, so that's good.

And, uh, Rod, you're trying to pivot us back toward the real world here.

Two out of three against the Cubs wasn't bad.

The Cubs leave in second place.

And we're also less than 11 hours before the trade deadline, which is true.

Now, the Brewers typically do not do much at the trade deadline.

Um, we don't go into the big drama, the big money stuff.

No, I'm not saying it never happens, but it's not what the team is known for.

And I don't think they need to, especially right now.

I kind of think we're at the stage that it would just throw a wrench into the clubhouse.

Josh Hader.

But yes, Josh Hader, that's exactly.

See.

That's what made the point right there.

So let's not go crazy, kids.

We've got a good thing.

We've got a good core.

If you can find something easy, because look at what we did without the trade deadline.

Aaron Savalli going, Oh, I'm not going to the bullpen.

You got it.

You got to trade me.

Sure thing, buddy.

Here's the White Sox.

Bring up Andrew Vaughn, who, you know, with a decent team shows what he can do.

So

this is okay.

This is, and I got a question for you, Pat.

Does the trade deadline really mean that much in the sense that the birds have made the trade for Andrew Vaughn and there was another trade at the very beginning of the year that we made to get somebody.

Those weren't trade deadline trades, but they were trades that made a huge impact.

When we get to the end of this week, we're going to talk about how, oh God, the birds did nothing at the end of the trade deadline.

Geez.

Why didn't they make any moves?

It's not

like trade day.

It's not like this is the one day to make trades.

Yes.

You do it when the time is right, and that's what the brewers have done.

They're not going to wait till the end of July for

this.

Yes, grade the

entirety of the trade book.

Don't grade the

week.

I'm not expecting any big moves here.

And again, the Cha-Shader thing really kind of seals the deal.

Let me tell you what else to expect on the show today.

It didn't take long.

Didn't take long at all for the 2026 race for governor to get its first smear campaign as predictable as it is tiring.

Lieutenant Governor Sarah Rodriguez met her husband at a salsa dancing class.

They've been married nearly 20 years.

He's an IT network engineer and a naturalized citizen and they're raising two teenagers.

They've been married, like I said, for two decades naturally.

the first whisper campaigns about his immigration status are underway, and Sara Rodriguez had a perfect way to put it into perspective for the voters.

Also coming up for people who follow the news regularly, there is no surprise in what billboards are saying about the Trump mega bill.

But there are still plenty of people in Wisconsin that elsewhere who are not aware that the massive cuts in vital programs aren't saving them a dime.

It's all going to pay for tax cuts for billionaires and others in the highest tax brackets So we will talk to the head of a national group putting up billboards Featuring faces of America's most prominent rich guys and sharing a simple message We make they take We'll talk to Wall Street finance and compliance expert Sean O'Malley who gives us his Wisconsin common sense take on all the latest economic news the raw numbers suggest things

aren't as bad as people feared they might be.

But also, there's no clear path out of this current sluggishness.

And it should go without saying the current sluggishness wasn't inevitable.

We were enjoying a resurging economy back when it was under adult supervision.

Is this really the best that we can do for the next three and a half years?

We'll talk to Up North News social media manager, Sharita Booker, about some big events happening this weekend around the state.

That would of course include the Wisconsin State Fair that opens today.

We will check in with Civic Media's Todd Alba about his show this afternoon.

Chad Holmes from our station in Wausau about stories that he's following there.

And Joseph Pecky will have an update for us on how the 2026 races for Governor and other Wisconsin offices are being impacted by Governor Evers' announcement last week, one week ago today, that he was gonna be retiring.

That's my way of saying it's actually been a slightly slower week than expected.

I did expect kind of a stampede of candidates who are, you know, getting ready to announce and we're going to announce.

I still think there are going to be numerous candidates in the race, but I did think that there'd be, you know, maybe a couple of more out of the gate right away.

So far, that has not proven to be the case.

But again, it's July 31st of the year before.

So the Cubs did trounce the Brewers yesterday 10 to three.

So the Cubs avoided a three game sweep, but Milwaukee still is on top of the division by one game.

And the thing is, they've got one more series, and it was going to be rough enough when it was a four game series.

But now it's going to be a five game series to make up for a rain delay or a rain out earlier this season.

So it'll be a five game series from August 18th through the 21st.

Freddie Peralta, who had won his last seven starts, allowed a season high five runs and four innings yesterday, including a lead off home run on the game's first pitch.

William Contreras had his fifth career two homer game.

Brewers are off today traveling to Washington DC.

They'll play the Nationals this weekend.

They'll be at Atlanta early next week.

So there's your update on sports from the heart of America's up north.

Live from Lake Wissota.

Thank you for making this the place to spend part of your mornings.

I'm Pat Krightlow.

This is the Civic Media Radio Network.

So getting back to the Brewers for just a second, I mentioned they're off today, heading to Washington to take on the Nationals.

So again, no game today, but tomorrow evening, you can hear the Brewers with the pregame starting at 5.10 tomorrow evening on Civic Media stations in Oshkosh, Racine, Kenosha, Richland Center, Park Falls, and Hayward.

Head over to the website, civicmedia.us to learn more.

And yes, tomorrow is another free ticket Friday.

Now, I'm not giving you the keyword yet, but I am going to give you a heads up because it's always for a specific brewer game, and I want to give you time to plan for it.

Maybe you wouldn't think to enter this contest, but if I told you the game to plan for, maybe that would be it.

So, Free Ticket Friday tomorrow is for the game the following Friday, one week from tomorrow at American Family Field against the New York Mets.

big game.

So let me let me get the start time on that game.

It's a 710.

So Friday evening game next week.

So if it's something that interests you, if you can get tickets delivered to your phone and use electronic tickets at the stadium, you're going to want to have that civic media app.

And tomorrow we'll give you the keyword during our show.

There'll be different keywords throughout the day on different shows.

And you could be in the running for four great seats and Parker can attest as can I. Those are great club level seats.

Great view of the game.

We got the photo from Jim and Brookfield the other day enjoying the tickets that he won from Civic Media.

It's a fun place.

You're right by foul ball territory.

You got a chance.

Oh, without a doubt.

Yes.

I am at some point going to get a foul ball.

I think so.

I truly believe that.

Yes.

So keep that in mind for free ticket Friday.

Also, sign up for our newsletter.

We have a question of the week in our Sunday morning newsletter about Wisconsin politics.

And this week's question of the week doesn't sound like it should be about Wisconsin politics.

It's about cryptocurrency.

But, you know, if Congress is going to bend over backwards to be friendly to the crypto industry, maybe we have to depend on our state lawmakers to make sure that their consumer protections in place.

So overall, we just decided to say, where are you on crypto right now?

I mean, is it inevitable?

Is it the future of money?

Do you really not know and, you know, you just want to learn more?

Or have you learned just enough to go, no, I don't like this.

I'm too skeptical.

So that's what the readers of our Sunday newsletter get to answer first on Sunday mornings.

Sign up for it over at UpNorthNewsWI.com and learn more.

We're going to talk more less than two hours from now in our eight o'clock hour with Sean O'Malley.

As I mentioned, he's a Wall Street.

He's had a long career on Wall Street.

He's a Hudson native, lives in Bayfield now, and is actually back working on Wall Street on a little project right now, I believe.

And, you know, I've known him for 40 years now, just a whip smart guy about the economy.

And he was the one who told me

many years ago when I was running for Congress in 2012, saying, I said, what is the single best thing we can do for the economy?

And he said, infrastructure, we need, if we could get a massive infrastructure investment bill, it would create over a decade's worth of jobs and improve the way we get products to market and move people around the country.

And it's just a complete win-win.

Well, nothing, of course, happened on it until the Biden administration.

And now we have that infrastructure bill.

Although, as I could have predicted, again, when you make an investment like that in new jobs, you always hear catarwalling from people going, oh, there's all that government spending again.

Yeah, so that the roads don't fall apart and so that we create jobs.

Regardless, I talked to Sean about the latest economic news.

And it was it was interesting to see the uncertainty

in the numbers.

There was, myself included, a belief that the newest numbers on the economy, the GDP, the gross domestic product, would be down.

And if they were down again, because they were down last quarter, that would mean that we were in a recession.

But they were not.

They were up.

But the thing I noticed was the way everybody was kind of hedging on the numbers, and I asked Sean about this as well, and

The fact of the matter is the the uncertainty is just downright crazy right now because of well the tariff instability.

We don't know is one day there's a tariff on these countries and one day there's not one day it's 25 percent the next day it's 15 percent.

One moment we hear we have a trade deal the next thing we hear is that it's a it's a handshake agreement on a cocktail napkin and it's far from done and that is pretty much how

It was written up in the New York Times saying that economic growth softened in the first half of the year as tariffs and uncertainty upended business plans and scrambled consumers spending decisions.

They talked about how the gross domestic product adjusted for inflation increased at a 3% annual rate in the second quarter normally.

That would be a great number.

especially when you consider that in the first quarter, the economy contracted at shrink 0.5%.

But as the time says, both of these figures are skewed.

They were skewed in opposite directions because of the big swings in trade and inventories caused by the president's ever shifting tariff policies.

And so they don't tell the whole story of economic growth that appears to be positive, but is

downright anemic.

And that's what Sean is going to talk to us about as well, is why it is the way that it is and where do we think it's going to go?

And it caused me to bring up the larger question.

Okay, so it didn't get as bad as many had feared, but it's still sluggish.

Is this another case of Trump getting to declare victory because everybody thought he was going to crash the car and he just dented it instead?

And Sean pointed out, as others do as well, none of this sluggishness is necessary.

We were enjoying the best economic recovery on the planet coming out of the pandemic.

We were doing everything right.

Firing on all cylinders had just tamed inflation.

We're just getting started investing in new jobs.

And now Trump is pulling back on all of that.

And while we didn't crash, we are now in this...

I guess to borrow an old Jimmy Carter term, this is now Trump's malaise that we're in.

And we're going to have to live with it for at least a little while longer.

The Midwest Farm Report is coming up next.

And then Sharina Booker talking about weekend events around Wisconsin.

I'm Pat Crightlow.

You're up north.

Here are some destinations you could put into your little map app and go have some fun along the way.

We're going to do that with Sherita Booker, social media manager for us at Up North News.

Hey, Sherita, how you doing?

Good, Pat, how are you?

Good, good.

We are going to save the big one for last.

This, of course, is the opening of the Wisconsin State Fair, so stick around for that.

but first we're going to talk about the Mile of Music in Appleton.

That's getting going today, something I did not know about until we did a story about it at Up North News some years back.

So why don't we start by having you tell us all about what Mile of Music is all about.

Yep, that kicks off today and I'll run through August 3rd and it's a free four-day festival spanning

a full walkable mile in the center of downtown Appleton with more than 700 live music sets performed by over 200 up-and-coming or emerging artists in 40 different venues.

Those venues can include coffee shops, bars, parks, restaurants, museums, and other public spaces.

public spaces so people this is the perfect time to support local while enjoying the free entertainment and last year they had around 100,000 attendees so expected to be busy for the four days and one detail about this event that I thought was really cool is that it's all completely original music no artist is allowed to do any covered song so it's like bringing the authenticity to the table

And if you want any information about this festival or tickets, well, not tickets, but just information because it's completely free.

Visit MylesOfMusic.com.

MylesOfMusic.com.

And there you will learn even more about this amazing event.

I think it was Kevin Revolinsky first turned me on to this when he did a story for Up North News about it some years back.

because it's not just about, these are all unsigned acts, okay?

These are all bands and singers looking for a recording contract gig.

They have been working their hearts out at all these places, playing all these gigs.

They love coming to Appleton because not only do they have an appreciative crowd,

But then there's this behind the scenes support that's done.

Everything from massage therapists, financial planners, for some people it might be the only vision or dental check that they get.

Each year is a little bit different when members of the community

step up basically and say they will support the musicians during the Mile of Music by doing these particular services for free.

It is just super cool.

It is such a great way to support the arts and I mean there's no place like Appleton that does it quite like this.

So again, MileofMusic.com is where you want to learn more and maybe get out there and see some great original music.

While you're on that side of the state,

You could also do broad days in Sheboygan.

That's coming up on Saturday, Sharita.

Yep, and they'll have...

traditional brats, brats on a stick, brat burgers, brat jambalaya, a corn dog brat, and tons of other food options that don't include brats.

But there will also be a brat eating contest if you're into that.

And the winner will get a championship trophy, a year supply of John Seville brats, gift basket of John Seville merch, and $75 worth of brat day tickets.

That festival will also have a cornhole tournament, live music, a marketplace,

bounce houses for the kids and carnival rides.

Admission to the festival is free.

And if you want more information, go to brought dash days dot com

brought dash days dot com.

And I'm

I think you kind of lost me at Brot Eating Contest because of course I'm thinking about the hot dog eating contest and it was Joey Chestnut and all these others who are just, I can't even imagine doing that with Brots as well.

So now of course I want to know what the record is and find out if it gets broken this weekend.

So Sharita, file that away for Monday.

We got to find out if either there's a new record set.

or if somebody had to go to the hospital and result of all these brats.

Someone needs to be on standby and know how to do the Heimlich because

they just want to do this.

And see if they get disqualified for what at the hotdog contest they call conduct detrimental to eating.

And I think you know what we're talking about.

And of course, last but not least is the 2025 edition of the Wisconsin State Fair, State Fair Park in West Alice.

And this one, Sherida knows all about from firsthand experience.

Yeah, I go every year, multiple times a year with my family.

We'd like to ride all the rides.

And then I'll go another couple of days with my partner and we just like to eat a lot of food.

But the Wisconsin, yeah.

So the State Fair, it'll start today and it'll run through August 10th.

And some of the headliners this year include Boys to Men, Neo, Darius, Rucker, and Midland with South Hall.

And we all know fair food is the big deal, so let's dive into that.

This year's cream puffs include chocolate and strawberry, in addition to the original.

Some of the new foods are Dubai funnel cake, alligator, Cajun mac and cheese sundae.

brisket cheese curd tacos, country fried burgers, flaming hot tots, blueberry breakfast bratwurst, and bourbon belly tots.

And I'll let you in on a little secret.

The State Bears website has a food finder search engine that compiles all the food vendors and the drinks so you don't have to wander around trying to find what you're looking for like it's already mapped out for you and you can use that on the go.

Um, I've used it myself.

I am already looking at this and well, you're gonna say something about the tickets and then we'll go.

Oh yeah.

The tickets are $20 for 12 and older and $13 for kids.

Kids eight to six through 11.

Okay.

So I'm looking at the food for under the sporkies.

Yeah.

Some of the things included.

There's s'mores churro fries.

Okay.

S'mores churro fries.

There's the

Pretzaroni pizza brought.

So it's a brought wrapped in a pretzel on a stick that you dip in marinara.

There's Mexican street corn pizza.

And how good does that sound?

You know, I try that.

And then one of the drinkies I know you mentioned the Dubai chocolate strawberry smoothie.

Did you mention the dirty pancake?

No, it's a dirty soda that tastes like a pancake in a cup.

Okay, that's interesting.

It's interesting.

That's a very, very good way to put it.

And so much more at the Wisconsin State Fair.

And if you want more information there, wistatefair.com, wistatefair.com is the way to go.

And hopefully they have some really good weather.

And hopefully Sharita gets a chance to go there multiple times and give us a full report next week on the food, the drinks and the rides.

that I hope you don't do in that particular order, because you might lose the food or the drink.

So take it easy out there.

Sharita, thank you so much.

Appreciate it.

Follow everything she does on Up North News' various social media websites.

Have fun at the fair.

Sharita, talk to you later.

Thank you, Pat.

And in doing those top stories that she collects for us, she posts them and then tracks, you know, how they do.

And as I'm looking at the top stories that she amassed from last week on Instagram, one of the most popular stories was one about a UW Milwaukee research team that had been mapping out how racial housing policies had shaped Milwaukee over the years.

What do you think the Trump administration did to that?

Yeah, they pulled the plug on funding.

So.

that's no longer being done.

Another favorite over at Instagram is a list from the Foodie website Love Food out of all the burritos in Wisconsin.

Their favorite fully loaded wet burrito, the kind with enchilada sauce, comes from Cafe Corazon and three locations around Milwaukee and we ask you to put in the comment sections or send us a note here.

Where's the best burrito in town?

Where you are.

people were traveling around, you know, best Mexican restaurant overall, would love to hear about that.

All right, we're in the 2026 gubernatorial campaign here in the state of Wisconsin.

Like it or not, it's July 31st, 2025.

We got a long ways to go.

And yet, we are already seeing the first strains of something that was probably expected by a lot of us depressingly so.

And it

We were tipped off to it by a post by the Lieutenant Governor, Sara Rodriguez, who put up a post with a photo of a flyer of hers that had been defaced and a copy of a post that somebody is sending out to newsrooms saying, Hi, I hope you're doing well.

I'm a reporter with and then it's blanked out here.

We received a tip that Lieutenant Governor Sara Rodriguez's husband has undocumented.

I understand this is a personal matter, but as she is running for governor, my team wanted me to see if there was any truth to it, since it would be of public interest.

Would you be able to provide any insight into his immigration status?

And I add parenthetically, muahaha.

Because that's how these idiots operate.

Sara Rodriguez put up a post with this saying yesterday, reporters got a tip in quotes that my husband has undocumented.

Spoiler,

He is a proud naturalized US citizen.

We are five days into this race.

And my opponents are already resorting to racist made up attacks on my family.

It's pathetic.

It's ugly.

And she notes here, most importantly, quote, it sure as hell won't lower a single grocery bill or fix a single school.

If this is their best shot, they better pack a damn lunch.

End quote from Lieutenant Governor Sarah Rodriguez, putting the proper perspective on this.

that this race is about your grocery bill.

This race is about your school.

This race is about state investment in things like healthcare and high-speed internet service and so much more.

It's about taking care of our natural resources or selling them out to corporate interests.

It's continuing the Evers focus on small main street businesses or it's going back to be Foxconn again if a Republican were to get into office.

That's what this race is about.

But in order to win, there are people that are going to stoop to any level whatsoever.

And that includes attacking the naturalized citizen husband of Sara Rodriguez, who, again, they've been married for coming up on 20 years here.

They got two kids.

I think they're both teenagers.

There's a wonderful video of her salsa dancing with her husband because that's how they met.

And she said as much in her campaign introductory video, they met at a salsa dancing class.

while each was working or visiting Oklahoma at the time and have hit it off well and have created a wonderful family.

She was an emergency room nurse and is now running for governor of the state of Wisconsin.

And I'm hoping that we don't have to spend a lot of time dealing with this kind of garbage.

But unfortunately, given who is president of the United States right now, even naturalized citizens.

And that's the part I underline the word citizen, naturalized citizen.

They've gone through all of the proper processes to be as much a citizen as you or me.

And yet even that status seems threatened to some folks to the point where they may not speak out as much as they want to for fear of a president and their allies who are saying, well,

You know, we gave you that citizenship, we can revoke that citizenship, which of course they can't.

That would be blatantly anti-constitutional.

And you would need practically criminally fascist Supreme Court justices in order to have such, ooh.

Well, anyway, the stakes are very big in this race.

And the one thing we don't have time for is this kind of racism.

It's better that we focus on the candidates themselves, their positions, and what they would do for the state of Wisconsin.

And so to that end, tomorrow on this program, in the eight o'clock hour, we will be interviewing Lieutenant Governor Sarah Rodriguez.

Right here, live, joining us to answer questions about the race, about the career that has led her to this point.

And we're just...

You know, very happy to get a chance to visit with her.

We will do the same with all of the candidates that care to come in and visit and talk with us, whether live or pre-recorded.

We want them all to feel like they can come and share their point of view with you, especially ahead of what could be a very busy primary election.

Now again, the primary election isn't for more than another month here.

It's it's going to be on August 11th of next year.

So there will be other candidates to come in.

But let's get to meet them all because with any luck, we will have a governor for the next four years or longer in the state of Wisconsin that continues to keep a focus on you.

Not their biggest donors, not the biggest companies.

not the biggest promises, but the biggest potential for the state of Wisconsin.

That's what we deserve as governor.

We'll have today's history lesson coming up right after this.

You're up north.

You're a nice little way to start today's history lesson with little Zach Brown.

I'm a fan.

A conveniently named Zach Brown band.

He's 47 years old

today.

All right, let's look at who else is on today's history lesson birthday list.

Sebastian Kresge.

Only a few people now.

My agent up probably remember Kresge's, which was a discount department store chain.

You know Sebastian Kresge's other discount store chain, Kmart.

Ah, I do.

He started Kmart back in the day.

He was born this day in 1867 and passed away 99 years later in 1966.

So there's your trivia question.

Kmart started by Sebastian Kreske.

Happy birthday to Lobo.

He is 82 years old today.

Now, as somebody who grew up on the eastern edge of St.

Paul, I can tell you it was kind of a charge to hear that on the radio.

As a kid, me and you and a dog named Boo by Lobo, which I always thought was the band.

And here I am, you know, six decades later, realizing, no, Lobo was the name of the guy.

His birth name was Roland de Levoix.

And he was born in Tallahassee, Florida, 82 years ago today.

Today is Lobo's 82nd birthday.

Other birthdays today, Mark Cuban is 67 today, Wesley Snipes is 63, BJ Novak from the office is 46 years old today.

I mentioned at Summerfest seeing Gary Lewis of Gary Lewis and the Playboys.

I could play the little snippet I took of him singing his big hit, but you know, instead of hearing an 80 year old man sing it, why don't we hear the original version from the early 1960s?

Yeah,

that definitely sounds better than what he pulled off at Summerfest.

Plus, he's still performing.

Glad he's still with us.

Happy 80th birthday, Gary Lewis.

We just chose to play the original instead.

By the way, if you don't know the family tie there, his birth name was Kerry Levich.

His dad's name was Joseph Levich.

But then at the age of two, his dad, Joseph Levich, changed his name to Jerry Lewis, the legendary comedic actor.

And he became Gary Lewis, born 80 years ago today.

If you're familiar with JFK Airport in New York, you may or may not know.

It was once called Idlewild Field.

and it was dedicated this day in 1948 as New York International Airport renamed JFK a month after the president was assassinated back in 1963.

The number one song this week in 1971 was by James

Taylor.

This,

of course, was the Carol King written You've Got a Friend, and she's got her own wonderful version of it, but it was the number one song this day in 1971.

On this day in 1980, the Eagles split up.

And you can see why.

There's video of it.

The filmmaker was on stage as Glenn Fry and Don Felder started fighting in the middle of a song.

What?

Not verbally fighting.

Like, while the song is going on and they're going off stage going, I'm going to kick your butt.

Well, I'm going to kick your butt.

And that was it.

That was it for the Eagles.

Well, for 14 years.

Until 1994, the Hell Freezes Over Tour, because they only said for 14 years they would reunite when Hell Freezes Over.

Well, guess what?

Hell eventually sent enough money their way that they saw their way clear to doing that.

The number one album.

This week in 1976 was by George Benson.

This is the title track to the album Breezen.

The group Orleans released Still One on that same day in 1976.

Drake released a song this day 10 years ago.

This song is now 10 years old from his album Views.

On this day in 2012, Michael Phelps broke a 1964 record for the most medals total won at the Olympics.

And he still holds that record today with 28 total Olympic medals.

Do you think that's ever going to get broken?

I have to say yes, because I've seen so many other records get broken.

You know, I never thought Lou Gehrig's record was going to be broken.

Gal Repkin Jr.

comes along, so.

Yeah, there probably will come a time, but that doesn't mean we can't enjoy what we have here.

You know, I mean, goodness knows, I'm really enjoying Shohei Otani.

It doesn't take any doesn't take anything away from Babe Ruth.

But he's doing things Babe Ruth could never do.

So I just I just enjoy with each each development.

Somebody comes along and you go, dang, you worked real hard.

You deserve this.

Today is lifeguard appreciation day.

And yes, we really do.

Thank you for all that you do and for all thankfully that you don't have to do if we're doing everything right.

Today is Harry Potter's birthday, the fictitious book character.

So for Harry Potter fans, they know that this is the day listed in the books as when he was born.

This is National Avocado Day, which is something, again, for most of my life, I didn't think I'd ever like or eat.

And then like 10 years ago, in my early 50s, I finally got around to trying guacamole.

And I went, hey, this stuff's actually really good.

I've been a guacamole fan.

I do find when you try things, it's better.

Yeah, ever since.

This is National Chili Dog Day as well.

I haven't had a chili dog in forever.

I don't think I have at all.

Well, it can really go either way.

I've had a good chili dog.

And I've had somewhere I'm like, wait a minute, what is this chili?

Is this alpo?

What is going on here?

And finally, this is the last day of July, July 31st.

And so we bid a fond farewell to Lasagna Awareness Month.

Starting tomorrow, you're not going to be aware of Lasagna for a long time.

It'll be a midwinter's night when you go, I want something warm and toasty.

Let's make up a lasagna.

Who makes Lasagna Awareness Night in the middle of summer or Lasagna Awareness Month?

I don't know.

I'm not aware of anybody who would.

It's nice to have that bit going by by finally back after the news you're up

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On this Thursday morning, July 31st, 2025.

Good morning.

It is 706.

It is nice to have you here.

Back up north, we've got Parker Olson producing the show down in Madison Studio A2 and we've got meteorologist Brittany Merleau here as well.

Good morning, Brittany.

Good morning.

How

are you?

I'm hostile.

I'm grumpy because my coffee mug, which today's one is the mug that says I am silently correcting your grammar, is empty.

I normally fill it up during the seven o'clock news.

And we just got to chatting throughout the entire news break about things like the beef between Drake and Kendrick Lamar.

Bottom line, don't care.

Don't don't know enough about it and don't care.

But then that got me to say, by the way, in my defense, this is not a rap thing.

There's that other big beef Justin Baldoni and Blake Lively.

Don't care.

Don't know.

Don't know what brought it up.

Celebrities having beef doesn't move me.

Other people that moves them a lot.

You know, I've got Tony up in Ashland was saying that he was all in on the Drake Kendrick Lamar beef.

So many songs so quick and all very high quality.

And noted that he is on Team Kendrick.

When I mentioned Blake Lively, Justin Baldoni, he texted in that one I don't care about.

And

for the end of Lasagna Awareness Month.

Robin Tigerton, he did in fact have Lasagna.

He had it for dinner.

What was it on Tuesday?

I think, yeah, there it is, Tuesday after work.

But Alicia says, I didn't have any Lasagna all month as part of Lasagna Awareness Month.

Although she said in my defense, Lasagna gives

me

heartbreak.

So it's, it's okay.

It's okay.

Uh, John says hello from Colorado on Facebook.

Hi.

Nice to have you along here.

And let's, let's get to what Brittany's here for.

Uh, Tony National saying the weather here is unsafe, not cloudy, not not cloudy, just unsafe.

The Canadian wildfire smoke is back and it is back with a vengeance up here.

I don't know how much across the state it, uh, it spreads, but it is just a very gray.

morning here and it just, I mean, even if you're young and healthy, it's just the environment is just not, it's suboptimal.

Let's put it that way.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I mean, I am getting headaches.

You know, the second you step outside, you can kind of feel it in your chest sometimes too at certain points.

All of these different things, burning eyes, watery eyes.

Oh, it's terrible.

I mean,

statewide, we're all in the red.

In fact, there are some very unhealthy levels right now into Door County, up into parts of northeastern areas of the Northwoods.

But this thing is widespread statewide throughout Minnesota, the UP, the state of Michigan, all of Michigan on the other side of the lake.

So it is just engulfing us right now and it's pretty brutal.

It does start to lift north as we go through this afternoon and evening.

Now, I don't know exactly how fast that's going to happen.

The alert and advisory expires at noon.

I'd say it might linger here a little bit, but again, today it is still stuck here.

Should be gone by tomorrow.

We are looking at right now still fog too in some places north into Eagle River and Merrill about low 40s far north right now to mid 60s down south in the state.

And we've got some breezy winds.

That's going to help kick and mix out this wildfire smoke as we go through the afternoon.

They will be gusting around 15 to 30 miles per hour, prompting a beach hazard statement out on Lake Michigan.

So those waves are going to be climbing up to four to six feet.

She's going to be angry out there.

She already is actually dangerous currents.

So stay away from those beaches.

I wouldn't get in there if I were you.

Plus the temperatures are nice and refreshing.

No need to really do that low to mid seventies today statewide.

All of us at the wildfire smoke clears more and more sunshine.

Otherwise it's going to be hazy out there.

And of course, we are looking at comfortable conditions, dry conditions as we close out the rest of this week.

So this high pressure system is doing some good, but it's also the reason why this wildfire smoke is here.

Yeah, without a doubt.

More from Robin Tigerton.

Good morning.

It's partly cloudy and 53.

I mowed three yards in Tigerton yesterday and I've got three yards in rural areas of Tigerton today.

The sky reminded me of the skyline of Los Angeles.

Hazy and you

could

smell the smoke.

It does.

It has a very smog like look to it, which again is smoke and fog, but you know, the kind of smog in LA was also like air pollution related.

This is definitely much more just about the, you know, the smoke instead.

Let's see.

And we Rob did remind us that he had the lasagna the other day.

Oh, here he says the corn is tasseling nicely in the Tigerton area.

So the warm and humid weather we had in most of July has done wonders for the corn crop.

That is very true.

That's good.

That's what we like to

hear.

Yeah, and there's also you he said you can you can smell the smoke, especially those of us who have to work outside.

Wisconsin has dangerous health levels from the wildfire smoke and Alicia saying this makes me feel so bad for the folks up in Canada.

It's got to be so bad for them right now because not just the smoke but the flames the fire that you know is you know destroying houses and and you know ruining lives up there.

It's just very unfortunate.

And

very scary stuff.

We can only hope that it doesn't last too much longer that they get the precipitation that they need.

Brittany, we'll get an updated forecast from you in an hour.

Thank you so much.

Talk to you again soon.

Sounds good.

All right.

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won this week's tickets, well, last Friday's tickets.

And we just want to know, I mean, we know he listens throughout the day, and we just want to know, did he win it from listening to our show?

Was it the keyword from someplace else?

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And we're very appreciative of that.

But he also wrote in, you know, he brought his family, it was the Cubs, and there was a leadoff home run.

And he said the leadoff home run by the Cubs was an eye opener for my wife who couldn't figure out why more than half the crowd was cheering loudly.

She hadn't been to what some Chicagoans call Wrigley North, but despite the loss, we had a good time.

And that's, that's the bottom line.

That's what we want to see.

That's true.

It is, you know, it's hard to look at the bright side of things sometimes, Pat.

I'm glad you can for me.

I can see the bright side of

things.

Well, through the smoke.

Through this basically, yeah, a squint a little, but it's there.

Yeah, exactly.

Coming up in our next half hour, we're going to be talking to the leader of a national media group that is putting up billboards in Wisconsin and other parts of the country, doing something that you probably, I don't want to say take for granted, but you already know this detail about the big Trump mega bill, the one that, you know, Derek Van Orden and all the other Republicans in Wisconsin voted for.

That, yeah, it makes these massive cuts to programs.

Some say, well, those are massive cuts on spending.

That's what we got to do is we got to cut our spending.

It does not cut spending.

It does not cut spending.

It takes those cuts that would come to you and to your neighbors and to your family and gives them to millionaires and billionaires in the form of tax cuts.

It's that simple, but a lot of folks still don't know that yet.

And so that's what led to the billboard campaign.

And we will talk to somebody who is leading the group and leading the effort to do that coming up a little later this hour.

A reminder that coming up tomorrow, we're going to be talking to Lieutenant Governor Sara Rodriguez.

She is a candidate for governor and she will be stopping by in our eight o'clock hour tomorrow to talk to us more about her decision to run for governor, what it's been like serving with Governor Evers these past four years, her career as a nurse, and more of what drives her, what drove her to go into public service.

She was not planning to be a state legislator.

and then Lieutenant Governor, and then a candidate for governor.

But she has a good story about what prompted her to make this career turn, and you'll hear all about it tomorrow morning in our eight o'clock hour.

By the way, the billboards that we're talking about in our next half hour, they're not the only communication out there with voters about the votes taken by Van Orden and others.

This from Whist Politics.

The League of Conservation Voters and House Majority PAC, that's a Democratic group, are targeting Congressman Van Orden as part of a new $700,000 digital buy that's been knocking Republicans over their support for the mega bill.

The group says it'll run on digital platforms in 10 other districts besides Wisconsin's third congressional district during the August recess.

They didn't break down how much they plan to spend per district, so we don't know how much of that is being spent on ads targeting Van Orden.

When we say digital platforms,

It means, you know, right before you watch a video on YouTube or on Facebook or even even your games, I still play words with friends, Sherry and I send words back and forth.

And sometimes you get a little commercial between the games and usually it's for one of those goofy other games like Royal Match or something like that.

But sometimes they're actual commercials and more and more political groups are putting ads on.

every one of these digital platforms to target people who otherwise would not be news consumers.

And so that's what you're seeing here.

And in this particular campaign, the spot targeting Van Orden says that the plan takes Medicaid away from millions of Americans and removes clean energy from the electric grid just to provide a tax cut for the wealthy.

The narrator says everything costs too much already.

And Congressman Van Orden just voted to make it even worse.

Now, Van Orden, to his credit, is not yet saying, you know, I made a mistake.

I didn't mean to be taking away all these jobs.

I didn't mean to be taking away all these people's health care.

He is instead sticking to his guns of saying that there are no Medicaid cuts in here that go to citizens and people who've earned them.

And it's an amazing level of either delusion or cynicism that prompts that.

There's going to be a lot to be said to voters over these next, you know, however many months, 15 months or so, about what the actual case is with this mega bill.

Also from WisPolitics, the Dane County Republican Party says it has filed a complaint with the Office of Congressional Ethics against Congressman Mark Pocan over business that his print shop has received from campaigns, including his own.

But here's the thing, because Derek Van Orden brought this up last week talking to Po Can, accusing him of funneling money from his campaign to buy signs from his company.

But here's the thing, in the WIS Politics Report, it notes, the claims being made by the Dane County Republican Party in the announcement are contradicted by publicly available records from the Federal Election Commission.

In other words, a lot of

A lot of folks are just going to hear the first line of the news story.

The Dane County Republican Party says it has filed a complaint with the Office of Congressional Ethics against Congressman Mark Pocan over businesses print shop as received from campaigns.

And some people are going to think, oh, oh, that sounds shady.

So hopefully most media outlets as they're sharing this will also make clear that the claims are made up.

and that they are contradicted by Federal Election Commission records that you can go get and you can go look at right now.

Anybody can file a complaint.

Hopefully responsible newsrooms are putting that complaint in perspective because it's fiction.

A local update is next for some of you and then we'll be talking more about that billboard campaign about tax cuts for billionaires coming up at 7.35.

I'm Pat Crichtlow.

This is the Civic Media Radio Network.

Hey, welcome back.

It is just about 7.23 now on this Thursday morning, last day of July.

And again, a little public service reminder here.

If you split your property tax payments in two and you paid half of it in January, the other half is due today.

So I'd like to think that at least one person out there, I've saved them a lot of hassle and went, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Write that check out.

Get it in the mail.

That's what I did yesterday.

I wrote out a paper check.

and I put it in a mailbox and I can just hear other people going, you did, what is this?

What is this thing grandpa that you did?

You have checks.

I still do have to, in fact, here, let me, let me go get the one here.

Oh boy.

So these are the ones that are, you know, they make carbons and it used to be that, you know, you'd write so many checks a month for all the bills and you'd go through a lot of check, go through a box of checks in no time.

Yeah.

The first one in this one is from November 16th, 2020.

That's how long this checkbook has been around.

Yeah.

Uh, yeah.

Yep.

Times change.

Times do change.

Yes.

I'm sorry.

Jiggling the monitor over here.

I was just trying to look at the other one.

Does this, does this say what I think it says?

Oh boy.

It does.

April 20th of 2017 on the other, on the other bank account.

So

Why do we have two banks?

Because direct deposit in two different banks from our different employers.

2017 was taken to write the checks on that one.

I do pay a lot of things electronically.

I almost actually know all of our bills now.

There was for the longest time, there was one place, I'm not going to name where, but it was one of the local places where you would have a monthly bill.

And they'd be calling all the time and saying, hey, you're late with your bill.

And they'd be like, when are you guys going to accept electronic payments?

Every other bill I pay is on autopilot.

I don't have to think about it.

I'd look at it.

It's fine.

It gets paid.

You guys still want the whole horse and buggy thing.

And they finally changed.

Thank goodness.

Yeah.

But I also know that with the electronic payments, you know, comes an extra fee.

And I'm looking at the one from Chippewa County here.

And, you know, additional fees apply 2.39% for credit cards, minimum fee of $2.95, a flat fee of $1.50 for an e-check.

And again, I look, I can pay $2.95.

But every so often, you're like, you know what, for this one, I'll write the paper check.

And I do.

Do you even have a paper checkbook?

Nope.

I don't have checks.

Wow.

Yep.

That is how different the times are.

There's not ever an occasion where you need to write a bigger check or something.

Everything is just either Ven Mode or Apple Pay or whatever.

Yeah, not that I've run

across.

Now, I did get a buddy of mine texted me about maybe getting an apartment though.

So maybe at some point there'll need to be a check involved in that, but.

What will you do if it needs paper checks?

I

will have to find something.

You have a local bank account, right?

Yeah.

Yeah.

Or, well, no, I think that.

Is it a local bank or is it one of like the national banks, like Capital One or something like that?

No,

it's a local bank, yeah.

So.

OK.

Tony on YouTube, you absolutely still need checks, Parker.

Yeah.

That

sounds like something I

have to take care of, though.

Ah.

Uh, at some point and you don't want to have to do that, you know,

no, not in a pinch.

Okay,

dad.

All right.

See, there's our little public service here.

Once again, taking care of, I don't know what, what generation are you again?

Are you, you're not alpha.

What's,

I don't

even

know.

I don't pay attention to it unless you're a boomer.

I don't know what your generation is.

I'm 22.

If

you happen to

know what that falls in.

Seriously?

Yeah.

I'm pretty much, I.

I assume I'm X, I really don't know.

I've never- You assume you're

X. Or not.

Z, sorry.

Yeah, Z. That would make sense, right?

I think.

I have never been interested in the whole generational cut-offs.

I don't know why.

It seems like something I should be interested in, especially with how voters work.

But yes, it's just

never

piqued my attention much.

All right.

Well, here, for example, now it says here boomers 1945 to 1963.

Yeah.

I was born in 1964.

And so was, you know, very early Gen X. That went from 64 to 1979.

It says that Gen Y, that would be the millennials are 1980 to 1995.

And then Gen Z is 1996 to 2010.

And then I think they're called Gen Alpha, Generation Alpha, whatever, Alpha, is from 2011 onwards.

So yeah, that puts you squarely in the Gen Z category.

OK, I am now proud to admit that I know what my generation is.

There you go.

New development.

Now we need the hood, you know, talking about my generation to play here for us to, you know, actually, we don't know.

We don't know what generation we're on, so we can't really talk about it.

I wanted to ask as well before we left here, I was looking at tonight's dinner plan and being very happy about last night's dinner plan because we had BLTs.

And apart from grilling, I mean, grilling is the quintessential, you know, summer dinner thing.

Yeah.

But

Remember when we mentioned in the last hour at the end of lasagna awareness month and again, who does lasagna in, in the middle of July, you know, but our BLT is like the best light summer dinner to have.

That's probably right.

Yeah.

I mean, we don't, we don't typically make, I don't think we make them in the winter at all.

And they're just, they're nice and crisp.

And meaty if you get, you know, just the right lettuce and tomato.

Although there is the other one that's coming up.

Sweet corn.

Sweet.

Oh, sweet corn.

I

was so happy to have sweet corn a couple weekends ago.

It just it made my week.

Oh,

see, I don't know if it's if it's ready here yet.

There's a place just north of Chippewa Falls here called Klingers Klingers Farm.

And you Klingers, you can get it like minutes after it's been picked.

Oh, that's cool.

And then take it home.

And oh my gosh, it's just so good.

Oh look, I've got myself all psyched up for this weekend's dinner plan.

I am ready to go.

All right, when we come back after the Midwest Farm Report, we are going to be talking about that billboard campaign in Wisconsin and other states to let people know that the tax cuts are going to billionaires.

That's, you don't want to hear it some folks, but that's where it's going to go.

Not all of it.

but a whole great big chunk of it and you're paying for it.

And we'll talk about that coming up at 735 here across the Civic Media Radio Network.

I'm Pat Critewell.

There's no shortage of ways to describe the ways in which the Trump mega bill is predominantly geared toward corporations and the very wealthy.

There is a massive cut to the corporate income tax rate that is made permanent.

There have been multiple analyses on the bill that show that, for example,

The people in the bottom 20% of earners will see a .5% increase in their after-tax income compared to about five times that amount for people in the top 20%.

But not everybody knows that.

And so that's what led to a discussion that I held yesterday with a gentleman who runs a group that's putting up billboards all around the country, including here in Wisconsin.

Let's visit now with Faz Shakir.

He's the founder and executive director of the media organization, More Perfect Union.

Faz, thank you for being here by the way.

Let's start with a description of what More Perfect Union is.

Well, Pat, we launched this thing in 2021.

And we're a media organization of buying for working class people to tell the stories of economic justice through their lens.

You know, when I launched in 2021, I had just come off with managing Bernie Sanders' presidential campaign.

And I felt that there was a challenge of trying to tell the stories of real working class lives in this environment in which we feel like the perspectives of the wealthy.

is really captured in a lot of traditional media outlets.

If you're watching CNBC or reading the Wall Street Journal, they're really often telling you the perspective of the C-suite, the executives, the big shareholders.

My frustration has long been, but what about if you're an Amazon worker who's organizing?

What if you're a national park ranger who's having to go about your job in the struggles of what you're trying to deal with in this modern economy?

So the goal of the organization is just tell.

the stories of working class people try to tie those to solutions.

Well, we were just noting on our show yesterday on Wednesday that is the 60th anniversary of Medicare and Medicaid and the number of Amazon workers and McDonald's workers and Walmart workers who are also on Medicaid is astonishing.

And I don't think people are necessarily aware of it.

Similarly, the billboards you're putting up tell a story for something that I think some of us take for granted, but many people still don't know about the budget cuts.

in the Trump mega bill and how they're not necessarily savings, this is essentially a transfer of wealth.

Is that pretty much the story behind the billboards?

They are takings, right, Pat?

So that's right.

As the billboards that you're referring to say, we make, they take.

And the takings that we're referring to here are Medicaid, people on Medicaid who are working.

I mean, the great mythology as you're referencing is that somehow people on Medicaid, Medicare are not working or haven't earned these benefits.

The real truth of them is if you work 20 hours a dollar general, right?

Who's stopping you from working 40, 45 hours a dollar general?

It's often Dollar General, the bosses are.

A lot of workers are trying to get to a place where they're earning more and having more benefits.

If you're driving Uber 30 hours a week, Uber isn't giving you health care.

They aren't giving you retirement benefits.

So a lot of these major corporations are saddling the federal government with the responsibility of providing health care, providing any degree of retirement to working class people, and they're making billions of dollars.

So in our view, here you got a bill.

that says, well, we're going to give tax breaks to the richest in this country because they are the great creators of our economy.

They need more money.

And what they have been doing with this money is literally taking away health care and retirement.

That is what Amazon kind of created, right?

As in the modern economies, we're going to have thousands of workers and none of them will have health care.

None of them will have decent retirement benefits.

So they are literally taking now at this stage the actual little health care that many of these workers had.

Well, it's like I was saying, for the Medicaid anniversary, there's 71 million Americans on it.

And a lot of Republicans say, well, see how big that number is?

So many people that say their income is low enough to qualify for Medicaid, which to me begs the question, then why don't we do something if so many Americans make so little that they qualify for Medicaid?

This is as much a wage problem as it is a health care issue.

And an easy solution that's frustrated me for a long time is you want to compel

McDonald's, which has tons of franchisees.

Again, it's a problem with having a major corporation that is largely executed through franchises.

You have Uber.

You have Amazon.

You have Dollar General.

A lot of these make Walmart.

A lot of these companies that are billions of dollars in profits.

And why not compel them?

You have to provide health care to your employees.

you have to provide a retirement benefit to your point that you remember.

We're just a few decades ago where that was the assumption.

If you were going to go work at a major corporation, you are going to get a decent benefit that raised the standards of everyone.

And now, of course, you got union busting all over the place.

You got companies trying to exploit workers in every which way possible.

And now they are refusing to provide even the basic minimum.

of what you need to live and now you're right that there's been a transfer right so the federal government's owning more and more of this responsibility now that the public can say well oh it's just growing so much we have to we have to take it away well you could compel the corporations of america provide health care to your to your employees this would solve a major problem

The billboard campaign was announced to be launched across nine states including boards in Milwaukee Is that still the case or has the campaign changed at all since the initial rollout?

No, you got it right Pat We're gonna try to be as many places as we can trying to tell a story that's more than just the anti-trump perspective I think a lot of people got that right that Trump has a certain vision and ideology and he's executed now this twice right with first tax bill now second tax bill this first term now second term so I think if people got that since but

what we're trying to do is also make sure that there's a narrative and a story of who is benefiting and not just Donald Trump, right?

The beneficiaries are these wealthy people that you see and we mentioned Musk is one of them, Bezos is another, Zuckerberg.

These are the people who've really thrown in with Trump and are now getting the return of their business model thriving under Donald Trump.

And yeah, those billboards, they do have the different billionaire CEOs.

You mentioned Musk and Zuckerberg and Bezos, Peter Thiel from PayPal is on there as well.

Have they essentially made themselves the public face of this transfer of wealth?

I mean, do you feel, I think Elon Musk is a pretty easy one because of his role with the Trump administration, but between the four of them on there, do you feel like that creates the best narrative for the middle class who would drive by these billboards to understand the way wealth is moving toward those four individuals, among others?

at least three of them you'll remember you know Elon and Bezos and Zuckerberg were sitting right behind Donald Trump as he was inaugurated.

They volunteered that we you know the billionaire class are throwing in with this guy and are so proud of it that we're going to sit right here and feel like we have a degree of ownership over the direction of this country and to my mind that you know

it's trying to pull this a little bit out of the partisan politics.

I would hope that more people see and understand the major problem we have is, you know, Bezos would love to buy the Democratic Party too, right?

It isn't just like he's got the opportunity with the Republican Party because they got the trifecta.

They own the presidency, the Republican Senate and the Republican House.

So that's where he's going to be spending his money, his effort, his energies to try to extract gains for himself.

But if the ties were to turn, he would also love and has in the past given money to try

purchase, you know, a direction.

of a democratic side or any other side.

And it's the job of people who want to serve in public office to operate with integrity and fight for people beyond themselves.

That is really, to my mind, the meaning of being in public life, that you are willing to use power and authority to fight for other people besides yourself.

And we are in a state, sadly, Pat, where there's a lack of integrity, the corruption of a system, both politically and economically, is at heightened levels.

And I think we're all hunting and searching for the people.

who want to be willing to take on powerful actors, know that it's going to be painful, but do it with integrity on behalf of actual working class folks.

We're talking with Fash Shakir.

He's the founder and executive director of the media organization, More Perfect Union, which has launched a billboard campaign in Wisconsin and other states about the Trump mega bill and the tax cuts for billionaires.

Is this is not your first billboard campaign if I'm not mistaken that you've also called out the the doge cuts earlier and Do you already have something in mind for where you're going from here to keep these issues top of mind for Americans as they see these billboards?

Yeah, well, in my view, you know, a lot of these billboards have been put up in places that are, you know, we'll call red or purple, at least, you know, places where they are not core democratic voters.

They're trying to speak to people who may have voted a different way.

and the first billboards that you mentioned were about the cuts to national park rangers and national park staff and really unnecessary heinous efforts to attack people who in my mind serve as the best ethos of america and i was talking about integrity with you before pat right that here's national park service staff whose whose job they don't make tons of money off these jobs they they do these to improve your standard of living as you come into a national park national parks are available to all people regardless of income great thing that we want to maintain and yet doge said oh this is this is

place we want to go after.

And I thought when we did the first billboard campaign, there were a lot of Republicans can start to say, Hey, you know, I like Donald Trump.

I like some of the things he's doing.

This is a step way too far for me.

And I'm trying to own that persuasion mindset in this moment.

I can appreciate respect that people will vote for Trump, vote for Republicans for a whole host of reasons.

But I want to want to explain it.

on the issues of class and who fights for working people.

It is, in my view, the issue of our time.

And it is the issue that is often least covered through traditional media, thanks to you and others who are trying to do it through alternative forms of media.

And it requires like having a, you know, trying to get messages through to folks because they aren't ordinarily going to see it.

They are only going to hear about, oh, doge cuts on national park staff.

They're not going to hear about, oh, Jeff Bezos is making out like a robber baron with his tax bill.

I want to make sure as we get through the course of the next few years that class-based conversations are had.

And it's beyond the billboards as well.

I note that on your YouTube channel, it notes that you're an Emmy-winning non-profit newsroom.

You can go to More Perfect Union on YouTube and see all the other multimedia ways that you're trying to get this message out.

That is the principal way we try to get this message out.

I have a staff of 35 people.

And we do journalism every day.

We're all over the country trying to tell stories of, you know, data centers right now, for instance.

They're taking over a lot of communities and towns, pilfering the water, pilfering electricity, raising energy costs on working class people.

Also, all just so Elon Musk can create grok or, you know, that we can have some kind of AI chatbot.

You know, like really to screw with workers that in that way, we really have a fundamental problem of too few actors.

have way too much power.

And you see this particularly in big tech with the onset of AI.

And our job at More Perfect Union is just to tell, make sure we're telling the stories from those who are getting screwed right now and to suggest there could be a different way, a better way.

Apart from the YouTube channel, is there anything else that you would like to motivate people to do if they see the billboards, if they see the videos?

Well, I'd love for them to sign up on our email list.

I mean, if you go to perfectunion.us, you'll see our website.

there and you can sign up for our email list there and then also all our other channels we're on tiktok instagram all the all the major platforms and thankfully we're doing quite well with views and

you know

growing very well at this point in time but i would love love even more more support

please.

A couple of more notes on, again, the impact of this bill on taxes, because we've talked so much about in generalities.

But here are the numbers as the bill has been studied.

From the Urban Brookings Tax Policy Center, nearly 60% of the tax cut benefits go to the top 20% of incomes.

So 60% of the benefits going to people earning $217,000 and above.

you know, millionaires and billionaires.

And then Penn Wharton looked at a budget model with an impact on lifetime income.

Once you figure in the effect of cuts to Medicaid and food assistance households in the bottom 20% will experience a lifetime value of loss of $27,500.

By contrast, in the top 20%, they will gain value of $65,000.

And then what about the folks right in the middle?

Well, you'll get a slight, maybe $500 benefit lifetime from the tax cuts.

But if you need any of those programs that are being cut, you are going to be out of luck.

A local update is next for some of you.

Others, some more news and notes from here on Lake Wissota, across the Civic Media Radio Network.

I'm Pat Rightlow.

We've got a big day tomorrow here on the program.

Not only our usual week in review panelists of former U.S.

Attorney Jim Santel and journalist Jennifer Scholesi and Mark Jacob, Key of the Keel, Courier Newsroom, National Political Editor.

We'll have Dr. Kristen Lierly.

We'll have Greg Bach.

We'll have Mike Clemens with sports.

But we'll also get a visit from Lieutenant Governor Sara Rodriguez coming up in our eight o'clock hour tomorrow.

That's here on the Civic Media Radio Network, where we are joined now by one Todd Alba, who again has, yeah, that's you.

That's you buddy.

How are you?

I can't hear a thing you're saying there.

So you, you, you work on plugging that in while I

I tell people on your behalf, what a show he's got today.

I mean, theoretically, the note that I have here says this, live from WRCE in Richland Center, focusing on Walk With Grace, a major community fundraiser for those who are fighting cancer.

Oh, let's see, and Phil Knee, the GM from WRCO in Richland Center and host of the station's long involvement with Grace and June Knee, chair of Walk with Grace, coming up at 235.

That's all on the Todd Alba Show, our favorite radio mime performing for us right now on social media as we try to figure, have you considered plugging, unplugging it and plugging it back in?

Turn it off and turn it on again.

or get out and get back in.

We'll get you there.

Mett and Air on Air is coming up right after this fine program.

And that will include former U.S.

Attorney Jim Santel who will be joining Jane and Greg just after the nine o'clock news.

And then for a little sports, Packer Training Camp is still going on.

So we don't have to think about the Brewers losing to the Cubs yesterday.

The Brewers did take two out of three, but let's focus on the Packers.

And so Jane and Greg will be talking at 10.35 this morning with Paul Noonan, sportswriter for the Acme Packing Company.

That again, coming up on mat and air on air.

Mr. Alba, come in please.

you read me over

Bombay to Rangoon.

Are you there?

Come in.

This is London.

All right.

How are you?

I don't know what happened.

I don't know.

This is why I just digital give me a grease pencil and a razor blade and cut the tape.

I mean, that's the type of radio that I haunted you.

You know, the digital stuff I don't know what's going

on.

Do you know did we did we we talked about this in the little host retreat last week about cutting tape and

There are very, very, very few of us left who actually to edit things for radio on reel to reels and you would have to mark it with a grease pen and then use a razor blade and then use some splicing tape to put things together.

And now granted.

I only used, you know, used it.

I mean, I can count on one hand.

It was very rare because then other things were invented, you know, cart machines and things that were eventually digitized.

But it's one of those lost arts.

And I'm not going to be sad about it because you know what?

Not everybody has to be a barrel maker either.

At some point, you move on to new occupations, you know?

You change all the

times.

But we'll always need people who can take the events of the day and put it in perspective radio hosts like Todd Alba.

You are

indispensable.

I'm not sure about that, but thank you very much as are you.

But no, there's something the tactical part of that era of radio.

And I'm not sorry that I was a part of it.

But I'm not necessarily sorry that that part's passed either.

Because, you know, yeah, it is easier when you get to digital.

But yeah, there was something cool about having the real real for those that don't remember it was, it was just a thin piece of tape on two plastic reels, I guess, occasionally metal reels.

So then you have to go back and forth to cue it up, so to speak.

Look at Parker's

face on

this.

It's like, we may as well be cavemen describing our hieroglyphics.

These are not

things

I'm familiar with,

fellas.

Never never did that at whitewater.

I've heard never teach this at whitewater.

No, no didn't get that plat the education You

know what?

Yeah, it's worked out well for you so far and that's fine I was listening to I don't remember if it was John and Gordy or maybe it was you somebody talking about these old You know like who had eight track players in their car?

and

I raised my

hand because I had a 1973 Plymouth Fury and somebody had installed an eight track deck underneath the dash so you could play eight tracks so I had one of them but there's fewer of them all the time but I'm old enough to remember.

Do you remember Columbia House?

where you

get

like the

records,

the record club, where you'd get like 10 cassettes.

Right, right, right.

Yeah, yeah,

yeah.

Yeah.

Then it got to the point where you could check a box.

Do you want those 10 albums on cassette?

Or do you want them on CD?

I'm old enough to remember when real to real was one of the options.

No,

from Columbia house, you could get an album sent to you on a big old, you know, real.

Do you have any of those yet?

Oh, no, I never got one.

I'm just saying I remember when it was an option.

Yeah.

I mean, they probably

worth money now.

They might.

I do have about a half a dozen, 12 inch reels from my early radio days.

Love to hear those.

I would love to get those

out.

I would love to hear them, too.

Is there is there even a reel to reel at Civic Media?

I know RCL has it.

Rachel Chutterworth would

have.

Of course RCL.

It's a

legacy.

I

mean, it's got a big trolla

in there

for the

love of

God.

It's.

If you dig those out, here's the deal, Parker.

Keep us on us.

If Pat digs out his real, real radio days, I'll dig out my three-quarter inch tape of my talk show from Union Platteville from 1993.

Oh

boy.

Well, look, if you if you can find a machine that plays your three quarter inch tape, I also have plenty of three quarter inch tape for my early TV days.

It's not there's so much more than just that 1982 tornado warning that

is

on YouTube right now with my big eighties hair.

There's all kinds of embarrassing clips from both of us that we can play if we embrace once again the aging technology.

that is currently in technology's waste bin.

There is a picture of me from a report that I did for a class and it has an auto-captioner on and premiere and it mishears my name and hears a PA in the background and it says, for UWW TV news, I'm part girls and you can get your pictures taken

here.

I didn't think you could.

I thought, well, you don't have anything old.

You don't have anything that embarrassing.

Sure enough, he did.

He was

the most

of the challenge.

All right.

Todd will have much more substantive conversations on his program coming up from two to four today on the Civic Media Radio Network.

Thank you, buddy.

Good to see you.

Appreciate it.

Take

care.

All right.

Yep.

You bet.

Talk to you a little later in our next hour.

We've got Chad Holmes.

We've got Sean O'Malley about your money in the markets and Joseph Pecky all ahead here on the Civic Media Radio Network.

I'm Pat Krightlo.

you

Live, across Wisconsin on Civic Media, you're listening to Mornings with Pat Craiglow powered by Up North News.

Now, for my Lake Basota studio, here is the founding editor of Up North News, Pat Craiglow.

Hey, welcome back.

Good morning.

It is 806.

Nice to have you here up north on this Thursday morning, last day of July, July 31st, 2025.

This hour, we're going to be talking to Sean O'Malley about your money and the markets and the latest economic news, creating an economic picture that is as hazy as the skies of Wisconsin right now with all that wildfire smoke.

It is, it is tough to get a read on what exactly is happening right now other than that it is.

the economy is kind of smoky, kind of sluggish, the way that we're all feeling right now.

We'll talk to Chad Holmes, we'll talk to Joseph Pecky, all that coming up.

First meteorologist Brittany Merleau is here to talk about the smoke and the haze and you know, it's nice not to be rainy anymore, but we just see, we can't seem to buy that perfect day, you know, of sunny skies, not too hot and not too smoky.

The quest for the Goldilocks weather goes on.

It still does.

I wish I could just push a button and deliver that for everyone, but

what

are the other we're getting far and few between perfect summer days.

You know, either the humidity is cranked up, we're getting showers and thunderstorms or some wildfire smoke.

And that's the day today.

And some of that could linger still through tomorrow.

So right now, air quality.

unhealthy statewide, very unhealthy into areas of Appleton, Green Bay, Door County, the Northeast, Northwoods, North of Wausau.

It is getting worse by the minute there.

It's kind of seeping down the lakeshore a little bit.

So right now, you know, I'd suggest staying indoors, taking it easy, don't overexert yourself, stuff like that.

We're all feeling the symptoms, whether you're healthy or not.

It's kind of affecting a lot of people.

This is going to stick here today pretty thick.

It does want to start to move north and west slowly late tonight.

So areas of Milwaukee, Madison, you should see some relief hopefully by tomorrow.

But the rest of the state, it still wants to linger.

Maybe through the morning, gone by the afternoon is my hopes.

But we are still stuck with this cloud of wildfire smoke.

And there's a ton of wildfires up north and out west.

And of course, today we've got the high pressure.

Unfortunately, that is the reason why this is here.

It kind of settles the air and brings it down to the surface.

And this dry stretch sticks with us.

We are looking dry today, tomorrow, into the weekend.

Really, chances of rain are only minimal on Monday and Tuesday into next week.

But before that, we still have to battle some big waves on Lake Michigan today.

It is breezy down by Milwaukee gusts up to 30 miles per hour.

Those waves are climbing four to six feet.

So some dangerous currents out there, but comfortable low to mid seventies statewide today, mid to upper seventies across the state tomorrow and through the rest of the weekend.

And from Tom in Jackson on the text line, he simply says, how much rain yesterday?

Well, zero.

up here in Chippewa Falls.

I don't know anybody else's, but it was a goodly amount that fell throughout a big course of the day in the southern half of Wisconsin.

Yeah, there definitely was.

You know, I didn't look at totals either, but when I was tracking it yesterday, I was putting down at least a good half an inch to an inch in

places.

Okay.

Tony up in Ashland says, just give me my 15 below zero weather.

All this mowing is ridiculous.

Well, Tony, you got to call, you got to call Robin Tigerton.

Have him come up and do the mowing for you up there in Ashland.

Problem solved.

You're welcome.

So thank you, Brittany.

Have a wonderful day.

You too.

All right.

Hey, coming up tomorrow on the program right at this very moment, after Brittany's all done with her eight o'clock weather, we will be talking to Lieutenant Governor Sarah Rodriguez.

She is a candidate for governor and will be talking all about her decision to run the career path that took her to this point and where she would like to take Wisconsin if she is elected as next governor of the state next year.

So again, Lieutenant Governor Sarah Rodriguez tomorrow at this time here on these mornings powered by up North News on the civic media.

Radio Network.

Chad Holmes is here now from 98.9 WXCO in Wausau.

How are you doing?

Doing terrific.

How about you?

Doing okay.

Again, this haze is a little weird.

You know, you try to rise above it and say, look, it's just, you can't do anything about it, but it really does, you know, take a little, take a little something off your fastball.

You're right.

No, you're exactly right.

This has

been the best morning of the week.

I know we still have the haze, but temperature-wise,

I

love these kind of mornings when you come into work where you have that coolness in the air.

I mean, when I walked out the door this morning, it was a little surprising because I had not been used to it.

It had been so warm and humid for the last number of days.

You may get a little bit more on the fast ball when you feel the temperature a little bit

cooler

than it was today.

Yeah.

What have you been following?

You've had such interesting guests lately, and I'm going to give you a chance to talk because, again, for folks that

aren't aware, I think most of you are by now, but we do have these local breaks at 720, 758, 2850 for some, not all of our stations to do a little local update, a little local news, a local interview.

We've talked to Earl Ingham about his podcast, James Kelly and Jimmy Cusk about stories they're following.

And I always see you posting on Facebook about some of the the guests and topics that you're doing over there in Warsaw, so that if folks can't get it over the air on the radio, they can get you through the Civic Media app.

So tell us what you've been doing.

you know what i am trying to do here and it's kind of odd that we're coming up i mean i've been actually tomorrow is the third anniversary of civic media taking over wxco is

august

1st of 2022

12

midnight so it was I still remember the folks from it was a very small operation back then but coming up here to try to get everything turned over so the programming would be ready to roll I were you on on August the 1st of 2022 yet or was it after that

it was it was about that time because the original show was 8 to 11 a.m.

and I believe it took place on that day if I'm if I'm not mistaken yeah

Because I mean, in the US, probably been around in broadcasting when you have major changes like that where you have to get a lot of new equipment to get all the programming in.

So obviously that was very, very hectic that day.

One thing that civic media continues to do, one thing that I'm trying to do is to continue to evolve and try to have that right mixture.

And I'm having a mixture basically of talking about a lot of interesting people and I think a lot of interesting stories and also trying to, you know, be a little bit, I don't know, for lack of a term edgy at times with some of my opinion.

Spicy.

Spicy is the way that Tony puts

it.

Hey, look what I found.

I found it here.

We kick off August 1st, 2022, Episode 1.

comparison, where are we at today on shows?

Oh, Lordy, I've lost it already.

Because we've been doing this for a good long time.

This is show number 613.

613.

So August 1 was show number 19, 2022.

It says we kick off our brand new radio show with Wasaw Mayor Katie Rosenberg.

And yes, we talk about how hard the goats are working to clear invasive species out of a city park.

We get into PFAS contamination and her early endorsement of Lieutenant Governor Mandela Barnes for Senate.

and the highs and lows of being mayor.

We also talked to Nancy Stensel about Marathon County's new threat to groundwater, and it's part of a lawsuit.

There's also a lawsuit about Tom Tiffany, Scott Fitzgerald, and Ron Johnson, should they be booted off the ballot for supporting insurrectionists?

So we've been we've been topical Chad you and I since day one when we started this thing.

Yeah,

some things stay the same but some things change and you were talking to our mayor three years ago and I'll be in the next local segment talking a little bit more about our mayor right now, Doug Denny and I'm frustrated with this whole process.

And I don't know, maybe I'm being unfair.

I know that sometimes justice takes time, but at the same time, this was in broad daylight.

I don't understand what the Wisconsin Department of Justice is doing that takes this long.

This week, we had a meeting with the OASA ethics board.

Their investigation has closed, but now they have the hearing, and they're going to have a hearing coming up.

One of the things that's frustrating to me is they're going to be forced to subpoena a few folks that are public servants in order to get the relevant communication between themselves and the mayor during that time frame last September when he put on the hard hat he put on the vest and went out there with a camera and removed a

Dropbox right and I mean, I mean this is not a case where boy, we got to find out who did what

it's such a mystery.

Yeah.

Yeah.

No, I

think that really frustrates me and I don't know maybe I'm often you can tell me I'm off on this But we have a number of folks that are

I would say public officials who are refusing to share communications and documents with the mayor during this timeframe, saying that it's too broad, or if you ask me specifically, I can be able to help you in this way, the chairperson of

the... So they're trying to get around open records is what

you're saying?

Yeah, the chairman of the ethics board said a couple of them sound like they came from the same folks in terms of the writing of it, that maybe a lawyer was involved in it, but beyond all of that.

The thing, and I mentioned this yesterday,

the idea that you are a public servant and you're trying to play these little games.

Oh, it's too broad.

If you ask me specifically, then I'll be able to help you.

Oh yeah,

delay, delay.

They're learning from Trump.

But no, the thing that really annoys me about this is that as a public servant, you should be stepping forward with any information.

to make this system work.

Not playing games to try to play in a whack-a-mole here.

Oh, you miss me, you miss me.

That's frustrating to me.

Well, it should be because you're essentially an accessory.

at that point you're you're you're helping somebody get away with something which is exactly what you would say to all of the you know Trump apologists out there that are running roughshod over the rule of law is they're not just being good foot soldiers to Trump no they're being accomplices and why wouldn't you want to get to the bottom of something where yeah somebody you would normally support is doing something wrong and you should be willing to call that out and we just we've we've seen a real abandonment of that American value lately.

of good government.

I mean, another example, this is nationally yesterday, though, I'm sure you saw the state of Texas pushing forward.

Oh

yeah, with the

gerrymandering.

And it's also blatant now.

Donald Trump said, I mean, Donald Trump, say what you will, the guy is incapable of hiding his crimes.

He just talks about, yeah, this will be great for the Republicans in power.

Again, it's like,

the idea of good government is so passe now.

And now we're forced into a situation where Democrats are forced to say, well, you have to fight fire with fire.

And frankly, I don't see how you can't.

If one side is not going to acknowledge or going to play the rules differently than you do, it's a terrible spot to be in.

It's exactly what I said on.

Todd show yesterday, he asked about this Texas map situation.

And I said this is very difficult for me to say, but I can no longer in good conscience, tell people in New York or California, Oh, no, you shouldn't do that because you know, two wrongs don't make a right.

But now it's more like, don't bring a knife to a gunfight.

Yeah.

And that's what happens.

You're you're you're in something now with people who are so dismissive of the rule of law and fairness that you

you have to look at the full level of options, you know, before you.

And while I would not be the one to initiate that bill in California, New York, or some other deep blue state to say, you know what, we're going to reconfigure to just to maintain balance.

I might not be the one to introduce the bill, but I could no longer say I would vote against it.

And unfortunately, and I was reading the story on this, that the rules in New York and California make it more difficult to blatantly

do a political gerrymander than it is in Texas.

Doesn't that say a lot in itself?

Yes, it says a lot about values and where they are strongest and where they are more antithetical to the freedom that they love to talk about but don't really want for everybody.

Chad Holmes has all this and more in his segments on 98.9 WXCO.

Catch him there and on the Civic Media app.

Follow him on Facebook as well.

Chad, thank you so much as always.

We'll talk to you again later.

You bet.

All right.

Have a great day coming up next.

Well, some of you are going to get a local update.

And then when we're all back together in our next half hour, we will get some news from the economy with the opening bell from Sean O'Malley and then Joseph Pecky all coming up here live from Lake Wissota on the Civic Media Radio Network.

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Sean O'Malley joins us now with a Wisconsin take on territory he's familiar with.

That would be Wall Street and the economy.

And as I described it before, an economy with data that is as murky as the smoke that is floating across Wisconsin right now.

Sean, how are you?

I'm doing well.

Yeah, trying to stay indoors due to the air quality, unfortunately.

Yeah, I know.

I mean, we both would rather be on our boats right now.

And it's

just just not not great conditions for that at all.

Now, let me try to head something off at the past here, because the there was a positive number on economic growth.

And a whole bunch of MAGA is saying, you see, you see the economy is good.

Why are you holding back the economy is good.

And I want to acknowledge that that there are some there are some positive numbers out there.

The thing is, and this isn't just me, Sean, you're seeing it from all the experts as well, it's that you still can't really tell from the numbers six months into the Trump term whether what he's doing, okay, there's not a recession right now.

He didn't crash the economy in six months.

Let's not give him a trophy for that because the record is decidedly incomplete, Sean, that's my view.

Yeah, that's correct.

So what we're seeing, Pat, is a lot of

due to the volatility of everybody new tariffs were coming.

So we've seen this sort of pendulum swing back and forth.

So we saw first quarter GDP going down one half of 1%.

Second quarter GDP came on much stronger at 3%.

We saw consumer spending go up 1.4%.

So those all look good.

But in those numbers, there are some not so great numbers.

For example, exports are down 1.8%.

tariffs are having an effect there.

Imports are down over 30%.

Now part of that's because I think people again knew the tariffs were coming, ordered big in Q1, so the number went up 35% in Q1 and Q2.

We see it crashing back down again, so coming back to more of a normal level.

So this is the sort of volatility.

that Trump's tariffs are having on the broader economy.

We've got a couple other pieces that are interesting to note.

We know that the Federal Reserve left rates unchanged.

Now, there's the footnote to that that came out earlier this morning.

And that is, you and I've talked, the CPI index came out three tenths of a percent higher.

in June that was already reported earlier this month.

What we're looking at now is something that was just reported that the Fed looks at more than the CPI, which is the consumer purchasing expenditures, the CPE index.

That also went up three-tenths of a percent.

That's a really big jump.

And the inflation fears that led to that Federal Reserve decision to hold rates steady and not cut them seems now to be, of course, the right move given that we're seeing more inflationary pressures start to emerge in the economy.

So the tariffs are having an effect.

And we certainly have seen that on a micro level as well.

I mentioned to you that Ford, you know, company that I worked for probably many years ago, reported their earnings yesterday and they reported an $800 million impact due to tariffs.

That's just for Q2.

They're talking about roughly a $2 billion impact due to tariffs for fiscal year 2025.

And that is, again, what does that do to their hope for, you know, a profit or for sales?

I mean, are you basically saying the tariffs negate any benefit they would get from increased

sales?

Well, Ford was lucky.

They actually beat their revenue numbers here in Q2, but it's sort of, you know, we beat them by better than 10%.

Congratulations, tariffs took.

Most of the profit of that away.

Yeah, look at even the earnings before interest in taxes and so you still have to figure in the interest in taxes on top of it That was a number small as only about 660 million so smaller than the impact of the terrace themselves

Well, because I know that lately the the president and others have been like

bragging about what they call the revenue from tariffs.

And I forget what it was.

It was $150 billion.

The government has brought in $150 billion because of our tariffs.

That's a weird way of saying, we've increased taxes on Americans by $150 billion because they're still trying to sell us the snake oil that foreign governments pay this.

It's

consumers that do.

Right.

Foreign governments are foreign corporations.

No.

The US government only has taxation authority over entities and individuals that file taxes in the United States.

Foreign governments, foreign corporations don't file taxes in the United States.

So that means the only way they're going to get money is from you, me, and companies inside the United States.

So yeah, they're really proud that they have taxed us an extra $150 billion.

And of course, those tax cuts to mega billionaires,

That we're also subsidizing.

I guess we should be proud of those too I'm not sure what the point is.

I don't think Elon Musk needs any more yachts to waterski behind but

no Look, they're sticking they're sticking to their talking points and let's just see how long that lasts we're talking to Sean O'Malley about your money and the markets and we'll continue that discussion coming up and then we'll talk a bit with Joseph Becky about a week that has actually gone a little bit quieter than expected I

have to admit, I thought maybe we'd see more people jumping into the governor's race right away here.

And that has not been the case.

I'll get Joe's impression on that coming up as well.

The Brewers took two out of three from the Cubs, but they got thumped yesterday, 10 to three.

Still, the Brewers have a one game lead over the Cubs in the National League Central.

They're off today, heading to Washington D.C.

to take on the Nationals this weekend, and then they're in Atlanta early next week.

Live from Lake was so

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Joseph Ecke is standing by.

First couple of final moments here with Sean O'Malley about your money and the markets.

Wall Street, the markets have been open for five, six minutes now and opening very slightly mixed.

And mixed is really the way that we're kind of looking at the economic news here, Sean, from the New York Times story yesterday.

about this mixed bag.

Many forecasters expect a further deterioration in the months ahead as tariffs work their way through the supply chain, the federal job cuts filter through the economy, and stricter immigration policies take a toll on industries that rely on foreign born workers.

And so that's really why we're saying it's not the glass is half empty or half full.

It's that we don't really know what's even in the glass yet, I think.

Well, that's true, Pat, but we're seeing the American consumer is not stupid.

Consumer confidence, which was at an all-time low last month, went up a little bit, but it's still at 97.2, which is well below the 100 mark and above 100.

That means people are optimistic.

97.2, people are not optimistic.

That's number one.

Number two, we're looking at some of the impacts of that that were described in that New York Times article.

already forecast.

Now we know tomorrow morning we're going to get a non-farm payroll number.

Right now the expectations are between 110 and 120,000 jobs.

That is extremely low.

We have seen that sort of limping by between the 100 to 150 range every month, you know, previous to this this year.

But this is the lowest that we've seen forecast wise, and we are seeing also an expectation for unemployment to start ticking up.

And as we talked about earlier with more specific example of Ford, we're seeing the impact of the tariffs starting to hit profits.

So there are a lot of unknowns.

The Fed seems to be taking prudent action by not cutting interest rates.

But there's not a lot to cheer about.

There's a lot to keep watching for, unfortunately.

So again, no participation trophy for President Trump for not crashing the economy, simply taking what had been the strongest recovery post pandemic and taking us into the muck, which is where we're still waiting to see what direction we go in in the muck.

Sean O'Malley, thanks so much as always.

Hopefully you can get out on the boat soon.

Have a good week and we'll talk to you again soon.

Thank you much.

All right, let's bring in Joe Specky now at 838 to talk about the weekend in politics in Wisconsin here and other stories.

And Joe, I guess I'm going to be the first to claim that I was surprised.

I would not have been surprised to see half a dozen people announced since last Thursday afternoon when Governor Evers said he wasn't running for governor, announced their own campaigns for governor.

That's not to say that we won't get a half a dozen or more candidates coming in, but I was wrong.

I thought a few others were like prepping and we're going to want to be one of the first ones to get into the race.

What was your impression?

Well, I want to talk about this from the very like political operative standpoint, which is once somebody has first mover advantage, what's the rush, right?

Lieutenant Governor Sara Rodriguez was ready to go.

And by the way, I tip my cap to her and her team for being ready, right?

They have made clear.

The governor has made clear she didn't have any forewarnings.

She didn't have any, you know, super secret heads up about this, but she knew this was a binary reality.

The governor was going to run for reelection or he wasn't.

And if he wasn't going to run for reelection, which is ultimately what he chose,

she was going to run for governor.

And so she and her team were ready to go.

Once that has flown, right, and somebody is the first mover for the second candidate, third, fourth, fifth, sixth, however many it ends up becoming, there becomes less of a ticking clock of you have to get in.

And I think the calculus becomes more, you want to get in the best way you can.

with all of the ducks that you can possibly get in a row lined up and tidied up.

And I offer that as someone who was part of a gubernatorial campaign that launched in the first half of October in 2013.

There's nothing that says you have to be announced before Labor Day the year before.

We've got a long way to go before the next, before a year plus from now is August primary.

and then another several months before a general election.

And to pull back the curtain a little bit on one of the favorite talking points that, you know, the gotcha moment for the Lieutenant Governor that I don't like, she had posted something to YouTube and it was listed as secret until it was time to announce.

That's how YouTube works is that you create videos that you may or may not want to make public.

You list them as private until you're ready to release them or delete them and

Like you said, she was ready to go so that when it was just a matter of unchecking that private box, so to have it ready ahead of time isn't the gotcha moment that some folks think it is.

No, it speaks to, I think, the kind of leader Lieutenant Governor Rodriguez is, which is somebody who is strategic and looks out along the horizon and tries to figure out what's coming up.

That's the kind of strategic thinking and vision you want from somebody in an executive position.

So she did a great job.

It's a fantastic

announcement video.

Like, I think it turned a lot of heads because let's be honest, Lieutenant Governor is not the highest profile position in the state.

You are not in the newspaper every single day.

There, you know, there's lots of attention on you during the campaign.

And then you are sort of, you know, a little bit more behind the scenes.

Now, Rodriguez has been out there working her tail off for the last three and a half, you know, last two and a half, three years.

But

This was the first time that a lot of people really got to see her.

And I think they saw someone who's dynamic, someone who has a real sense of who they are and what they want to do, and the capacity to communicate what we're fighting for every single day.

And that's what it takes to be successful in today's political environment.

So I thought a really nice job by her.

And in the week since, she has started to get some of that political ridiculousness.

And she's doing exactly what you want to see, which is she's not taking any crap.

She's punching back against nonsense from the right.

And I think a really, really strong start to the campaign for Lieutenant Governor Rodriguez.

And by the way, the nonsense and I've used up most of my firepower in the six AM hour of the show when I went after the folks who, again, were saying, well, her is her husband, you know, undocumented.

Shut up.

He's a naturalized American citizen.

And while Trump and others may be, you know, talking out loud about taking away people's naturalized citizenship, A, they can't do it, B, shame on you.

C, naturalized citizens, by and large, are more qualified American voters than a whole lot of people who were born as citizens, given the hoops that they wanted to jump through, the work that they did.

And so for anybody who's already gone with that smear,

uh you know never mind everything that I just said about how low that is the lieutenant governor's response was something along the lines of that's not going to lower anybody's grocery bill that's not going to do anything substantive for the voter and that's exactly the kind of perspective to put on this

yeah she she's hit every note in the first week and now we sort of see who else is on

the list of thinking about it and getting ready to go.

And she will not be the only candidate, but it's a question of how many other people jump in and how quickly they do so.

Yeah.

And one more note that the Lieutenant Governors, Sir Rodriguez, will be joining us at 805 tomorrow here on Mornings with Pat Crite Low, powered by Up North News on the Civic Media Radio Network, looking forward to the visit.

And again, as more candidates get into the race, we are looking forward to talking to all of them so that folks who take part in this primary and all the other primaries feel like they're making an informed decision, because you and I both know how big these fields can get.

You can get eight candidates on the ballot and you go, I don't know, how do I

to pick from one of these, well, we try to talk to them one by one by one.

And with the Lieutenant Governor running, that gives us a chance to mention that in Wisconsin, you don't run as running mates until after the primary.

You get stuck with, to put it bluntly, your running mate because people run separately for Lieutenant Governor and then the winner of the gubernatorial primary and the winner of the Lieutenant Governor primary,

Now they run together as a ticket in November.

And it's not a mystery that there have been governors in the past who had a first choice for Lieutenant Governor, but that person didn't win the primary.

And so they got a Lieutenant Governor that was not their first choice.

Yeah.

And I am old enough to remember some of that.

It's a quirky way to do it, but it's the way we've got.

I am looking forward to a robust start to the gubernatorial primary

for the remainder of 2025, I would throw out a note of caution to folks who are considering running for Lieutenant Governor, which is, let's see how the top of the ticket race is shaping up before everybody just rushes into this thing.

Because there is some strategically involved when it comes to what the ticket should look like or there ought to be.

And you don't need to run for Lieutenant Governor for

450 days before an August primary.

And so, you know, I hope that the rest of this calendar year is about beginning to see first impressions from the gubernatorial candidates and seeing who is kind of rising to the top.

And then we should start the conversation about who's going to run for lieutenant governor in my view.

That's a great way of putting it.

And to remind folks again about, you know, who gets on the ballot and how do you get on the ballot?

Anybody can say they're a candidate right now.

You can say it all you want.

But the way you get on the ballot is collecting so many signatures on what's called a nominating petition.

And you can't start circulating those until April 15th of next year.

And you turn them in on June 1st of next year by 5 p.m.

So it's at 501 p.m.

on June 1st, that we will actually know who is a real candidate for governor and for all these other things.

There's no, nobody's collecting signatures anytime soon here.

So I really like the perspective you're putting on this is to have the long view on this kind of thing.

Yeah.

And listen, and we should have a robust debate about who we want to lead our party.

That stands in contrast to what Senator Ron Johnson thinks should happen on the Republican Party.

which is he doesn't think there should be a primary.

What he's saying is by the end of this year, the Republican candidates for governor should get into a room.

He didn't say whether he wants it to be smoke filled or not and just decide who's going to be the candidate.

And I just think that's a great illustration of.

the ways in which the Republican Party rightly gets questioned these days when it comes to their commitment to democracy and letting people decide.

On the Democratic side, there's not going to be any, you know, smoke filled or otherwise back room.

There's going to be a number of candidates who go out and make

What I hope is a proactive case and don't spend months tearing one another down because this moment we find ourselves in is way too important for that.

We need to ensure that whoever the Democratic nominee is emerges from the primary, ready to run strong in the fall.

We've got to keep our eyes on the prize.

We're talking to Joseph Peckie.

A local update is next for some of you.

For others, Joe and I will continue to ramble on here until the top of the hour.

But in the few seconds I've got left, I see you wearing a Brewer's cap so you did not burn it and get rid of all of your other Brewer's memorabilia simply by losing to the Cubs yesterday.

You didn't say, that's it.

It's over.

A

lot of baseball left.

I'm liking where we're at.

Well, you should so two out of three the Brewers are off today.

They're heading to Washington They will be taking on the Nationals and a game one of that series is tomorrow 510 the pregame tomorrow on Civic Media stations in Richland Center, Oshkosh We're seeing Kenosha Park Falls and Hayward and tomorrow is a free ticket Friday We're gonna provide a keyword you text that keyword to us on the Civic Media app if you can get tickets delivered to your phone and use them electronically those will be tickets to

the Friday game next week against the New York Mets at American Family Field.

So stick around for free, uh, free ticket Friday tomorrow.

I'm Pac right law.

You're up north.

Again, tomorrow, Lieutenant Governor Sara Rodriguez will be joining us at 805.

Dr. Kristen Lierly will be along as well.

Courier Newsroom, National Political Editor, Kia Vakil, former U.S.

Attorney Jim Santel, journalist Jennifer Schulze and Mark Jacob.

We'll have Mike Clemens with sports.

Greg Bach will join us for our history lesson at 6.50.

Just another, your typical jam-packed Friday morning here across the Civic Media radio network.

Joseph Pecky is with us and it is, like we said, a bit of a

slower week in politics this week, which enables us to talk about some of the other things that are going on.

And some of them, all you can do is let the headline pass and recognize it.

Here's one you didn't know I was going to bring up, but it just, it's right here.

The Centers for Disease Control has a new leader.

And for the first time in more than 70 years, not a doctor.

does not need a medical degree to head the Centers for Disease Control.

Now, to be clear, Susan Monerez is a health scientist, but we had set the bar a little higher once upon a time in America.

Yeah, and we've still got Laura Loomer's crazy brain running personnel for the Trump administration.

We saw the top vaccine official at the FDA

step down this week because they got pressured out and there's a cost to this which is we're devaluing science, we're devaluing research, we're devaluing part of what made the United States the envy of the world when it comes to our intellectual capacity, intellectual property, the concepts and abilities that we created in this country.

And you know, the other night I was watching with terror

the fallout from this massive underwater earthquake near Russia as tsunamis were barreling towards Hawaii and the West Coast and just thinking, my God, all we can do is sort of hope that this is not as bad as it could be because the Trump administration has cut the National Weather Service and science and research.

There will be a cost to this.

Thank goodness.

The cost wasn't higher this past week.

But at some point, the bill for these kinds of choices is going to come due.

And whether that's in future measles outbreaks, whether that is deaths faster than they would have happened otherwise because of cuts to Medicaid, whether it is just a long-term loss of American competitiveness because we no longer value science and research,

This is one of the major through lines of the second Trump administration.

Let's talk for a second about how one of Trump's personal attorneys is now a federal judge with a lifetime appointment.

And but let me set it up this way.

A big part of the reason Donald Trump

got to where he is and where the MAGA folks are is they noted that the system is broken and they said, you know, this system is broken.

Let's do something different.

And far too many people defended a system that frankly is in need of fixing.

And I'm thinking specifically of what are known as blue slips, you know, where US senators weigh in on a, you know, a judges not a potential judges nomination.

And there are a lot of

antiquated, you know, arcane things that we find in Washington and that we find in Congress.

The problem that we keep finding out is that, well, yeah, the system might be bad, but if you don't fix it, then somebody else is just going to come along and destroy it.

And next thing you know, you got guys with a lifetime tenure to wreak havoc on the independence of America's judicial system.

This is one of the most disgusting things that happened this week was the confirmation of Emile Boeve to be on the Court of Appeals for the Third District.

There were three different whistleblower reports alleging very concerning behavior and decisions by Boeve at the Department of Justice in just the first six months, up to and including suggesting the Department of Justice should just disregard court orders.

And for Republicans like Chuck Grassley, who throughout his career, which is half a century at this point, the guy makes Joe Biden look like a spring chicken, he has been a champion of whistleblowers and tried to strengthen protections for whistleblowers.

And rather than investigate these whistleblower reports, rather than take the time to get it right,

He just said, I don't care, I'm gonna vote to confirm this guy, despite these concerns.

Ron Johnson voted to confirm this guy, who as a top Department of Justice official said in meetings, according to these whistleblower reports, we might have to tell the court, we don't think we have to follow what you decided.

That is deeply, deeply troubling.

And for Chuck Grassley to turn around 48 hours later, and

Why and about President Trump being mean to him because he might do away with the blue slip, probably what are we doing here?

And so not another great week for the long term health of our democracy.

No, no, not a bit.

Time for one more.

And I like the way that you frame it.

Redistricting Fight Club, except, you know, Fight Club, you're not supposed to talk about Fight Club, but everybody's talking about the fight over redistricting.

Yeah, so usually every 10 years this happens.

We take a census and then the states redraw their maps.

That's how this should work.

We have seen over the years an increase in the number of just straight gerrymander plays and now we're seeing it basically halfway through a 10-year period where Republicans in Texas think they can essentially redraw themselves five more seats and make it harder for Democrats to win control.

So what you have in response to that is Illinois and California saying, well, if you do it, we're going to do it too.

And so it's a gerrymandering arms race to try and have politicians pick voters as opposed to voters picking politicians.

That is also not healthy for our democracy.

It is rank politics.

It is what people hate and they are right to be frustrated and buckle up, folks.

It's going to be.

It's going to stay crazy for a while.

It most certainly is.

And Joseph Peck is going to track it all for us here on Thursday mornings.

Thank you, Joe.

Appreciate it so much.

Have a good start to the weekend.

Talk

to you next

week.

All righty.

And thanks to all of you for being with us today.

Again, we've got a busy one tomorrow with Lieutenant Governor Sarah Rodriguez joining us along with Dr. Kristen Liley, Key of the Keel, our Week in Review panel, Mike Clemens with Sports and so much more.

I'm Pat Crite, the founding editor of Up North News, the outlet for Courier Newsroom, a pro-democracy news network.

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Pat Kreitlow

Well hey there Wisconsin, good morning.

It is a hazy Lake Wissota that we're gazing over, smoky I guess is the right word for it.

Nice to have you here up north from wherever you're spending your mornings listening across the Civic Media Radio Network.

And if you're joining us by one of the many other platforms and ways to get this show, again, thank you for taking the time to look us up and get your day started right here.

Parker Olson produces this little shindig out of Madison Studio A2 200 miles away from here at the top of State Street one block off the state Capitol.

Mr. Olson, how are you?

Doing well,

Pat Kreitlow

Pat.

It's been a weird morning.

It's so dark here.

I don't know why it's dark here and it's a lot of it I think is the air quality plus you know the sun isn't coming up quite as early but it is just

don't it's

Pat Kreitlow

weird that part of it's weird out there I've got in in our bedroom I've got like this air purifier thing it's it's mostly for white noise to be honest but it's an air purifier that's fine we didn't have the

the patio door open, you know, for more than a couple of minutes while running in and out and doing things.

And by the time that happened, like less than five minutes in the little indicator on it was already like this bright red, like the air in this room is not good.

I'm like, warning, warning.

I am, I am not surprised at all.

Cause it's just, you know, thought about going for a boat ride last evening and there was like nobody out on the lake and I could see why we were out for that short time or like.

No, this just isn't enjoyable.

Well, when I was leaving yesterday, it was raining so hard.

I couldn't see hardly at all across the lake.

It was

Pat Kreitlow

like a

white wall.

It was a sheet.

Pat Kreitlow

Yeah.

Yeah, it's no good, no bueno.

Again, there's nothing we can do.

We don't have a big old fire extinguisher for Canada here.

It's almost like the climate is changing or something.

It's making things weird that we have to live with.

You know, it's funny to say that.

I was talking to Brittany about that

the other day.

Yeah, the jet streams, they're bringing some stuff over here.

Pat Kreitlow

It's

different than it used to be.

Pat Kreitlow

Alicia puts on YouTube.

It's so hazy here.

The sun is orange this morning.

At least you're seeing a little sun.

We're not even seeing that yet.

The clouds are going to be moving away and that's going to be nice and Brittany Merleau will have our detailed forecast coming up in just a bit.

I normally start off.

I want to ask you a question.

I like to get your day started with, you know, just thinking a little bit here.

And some days I'm kind of like struggling, like, oh, what's my question going to be off the top?

It turns out I actually have several here.

So I wanted.

Parker to, to help me out with some of this.

Time for the Mornings with Pat Crite Low Survey.

Here we go.

Yes, exactly.

So it was good.

I had, I'm up to four different options here.

It was going to be, I got a question for you.

Have you turned in?

Have you mailed in your second half property taxes yet?

Because they are due today.

And every homeowner out there who pays them into installments is like, Oh, shoot.

Yeah.

Okay.

Get that in.

Got to be postmarked by today or bring it in.

Then there was, I got a question for you.

Is it all over for the Milwaukee Brewers?

Is it it?

Should we just pack it up and go, yep, season's done after getting shellacked by the Cubs yesterday?

The answer, of course, it's a rhetorical question.

No, but it seems like we always need one of those games at American Family Field where you hear all the Cubs fans and it's just annoying.

It sucks.

I saw Dan Schaefer on Twitter yesterday saying,

that he saw more accidents than ever before yesterday because of how many fibs were leaving and because of the rain and they were happy because they won a game.

So they had been.

Pat Kreitlow

Yes.

So there might have been some liquid happiness involved in there too.

Yeah, that's no fun.

So no, it's not all over, but we'll talk about the Burbs Cubs game in just a bit.

I got a question for you.

You ever sometimes wonder, you take a moment and you change the focus of your eyes and you look at your glasses and you go, how am I seeing out of these things?

Did a dog lick them and I just wasn't aware?

That's a good question.

Pat Kreitlow

There was actually been Parker and I both wore glasses, but there was like a dead spot on my screen as I'm looking at my notes and I kind of lift my chin up a little bit.

I'm like, oh no, that's my glasses.

That's what that is.

I should clean those things off.

And then right at the last second, I stumbled upon this looking through the entertainment news today.

I got a question for you.

Leslie Nielsen and the naked gun.

Is it going to work or not?

I don't know enough about pop culture.

Um,

Pat Kreitlow

well, I suppose you probably know, did watch little or none of Leslie Nielsen in the naked gun, which I think makes you the perfect subject for this because you won't have any of Leslie Nielsen's classic, you know, comedy to fall back on her or to refer to.

So you have an assignment now and I know you're busy.

I know you got all those mallard games and nightmares games to work and everything else, but sometime in the very near future.

You know, one or two weeks here.

You got to go see the naked gun.

I will go see the naked gun.

I will obviously compare it to the 1988 original.

And the thing to know about this that I know you and any younger listeners out there don't know is Leslie Nielsen, sure, we look at him now as this comedic actor.

He was hilarious doing the naked gun and police squad and all of that.

But what you may not know is he was

quite the serious, dramatic, tough guy actor prior to that, which is what makes this so interesting for Liam Neeson doing the same thing.

He's going from, you know, I have a unique set of skills, I'm going to kill you, to, you know, playing, you know, Lieutenant Frank Drebben.

And now he's Frank Drebben Jr.

in this one.

So can he too make the move from drama to comedy?

And we've seen other actors do it, and I always love when they do it.

Not everyone pulls it off, but when they do, it's very cool.

And I have every reason to think Liam Neeson can pull this off.

As far as I know, Liam Neeson is a very, very good actor.

I would think he's got that in his bag.

Pat Kreitlow

Yeah, so well, we've got that.

So there's there's an assignment for for the listeners as well.

We don't often, you know, say as part of your homework, go see a movie.

But here's the thing.

It's smoky is all get out out there.

And if you can't do much outside, the theater is air conditioned.

So let's let's go to the movies together.

Bring your

air purifier.

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Yeah.

Luke on the text line.

I really hope they don't try to remake airplane.

But if they do, Yannis better get cast in the movie in the Korean Abdul Chabar role.

That would be the best.

That would be awesome.

Pat Kreitlow

Luke, Luke saying, I really hope they don't try to make airplane.

You had me there.

But as soon as you had the idea of putting Yannis in the cockpit, now I'm in.

Now I got to see this.

I've got to see this.

Because again, you saw like Peter Graves was in airplane.

He'd been in all the Mission Impossible series.

Nobody thought he could pull off comedy.

You know, and he did.

And of course that's where Leslie Nielsen had his first turn in comedy.

I

love when athletes find their way into movies.

Like I

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think there's

four or five Packers that are in one of the pitch perfect movies and

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it's

awesome.

Pat Kreitlow

Oh, those are good.

It's when they tried to make it all about themselves, looking at you, Shaq Fu, you know, that it doesn't really work out.

Yeesh, Tony on YouTube.

I have complete confidence in Liam, so that's good.

And, uh, Rod, you're trying to pivot us back toward the real world here.

Two out of three against the Cubs wasn't bad.

The Cubs leave in second place.

And we're also less than 11 hours before the trade deadline, which is true.

Now, the Brewers typically do not do much at the trade deadline.

We don't go into the big drama, the big money stuff.

I'm not saying it never happens, but it's not what the team is known for.

And I don't think they need to, especially right now.

I kind of think we're at the stage that it would just throw a wrench into the clubhouse.

Josh Hader.

Pat Kreitlow

Yes, Josh Hader.

That's exactly, see?

That's what made the point right there.

So let's not go crazy, kids.

We've got a good thing.

We've got a good core.

If you can find something easy, because look at what we did without the trade deadline.

Aaron Savalli going, Oh, I'm not going to the bullpen.

You got it.

You got to trade me.

Sure thing, buddy.

Here's the White Sox.

Bring up Andrew Vaughn, who, you know, with a decent team shows what he can do.

So

this is okay.

This is, and I got a question for you, Pat.

Does the trade deadline really mean that much in the sense that the birds have made the trade for Andrew Vaughn, and there was another trade at the very beginning of the year that we made to get somebody.

Those weren't trade deadline trades, but they were trades that made a huge impact.

When we get to the end of this week, we're going to talk about how, oh God, the birds did nothing at the end of the trade deadline, geez.

Why

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didn't they make any moves?

It's not like trade day.

It's not like this is the one day to make trades.

Yes.

You do it when the time is right, and that's what the brewers have done.

They're not going to wait till the end of July for this.

Yes, grade the entirety of the

trade book.

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Don't grade the week.

I'm not expecting any big moves here.

And again, the Josh Hager thing really kind of seals the deal.

Let me tell you what else to expect on the show today.

It didn't take long.

Didn't take long at all for the 2026 race for governor to get its first smear campaign as predictable as it is tiring.

Lieutenant Governor Sarah Rodriguez met her husband at a salsa dancing class.

They've been married nearly 20 years.

He's an IT network engineer and a naturalized citizen and they're raising two teenagers.

They've been married, like I said, for two decades naturally.

the first whisper campaigns about his immigration status are underway, and Sara Rodriguez had a perfect way to put it into perspective for the voters.

Also coming up for people who follow the news regularly, there is no surprise in what billboards are saying about the Trump mega bill.

But there are still plenty of people in Wisconsin that elsewhere who are not aware that the massive cuts in vital programs aren't saving them a dime.

It's all going to pay for tax cuts for billionaires and others in the highest tax brackets So we will talk to the head of a national group putting up billboards Featuring faces of America's most prominent rich guys and sharing a simple message We make they take We'll talk to Wall Street finance and compliance expert Sean O'Malley who gives us his Wisconsin common sense take on all the latest economic news the raw numbers suggest things

aren't as bad as people feared they might be.

But also, there's no clear path out of this current sluggishness.

And it should go without saying the current sluggishness wasn't inevitable.

We were enjoying a resurging economy back when it was under adult supervision.

Is this really the best that we can do for the next three and a half years?

We'll talk to Up North News social media manager Sharita Booker about some big events happening this weekend around the state.

That would of course include the Wisconsin State Fair that opens today.

We will check in with Civic Media's Todd Alba about his show this afternoon, chat homes from our station in Wausau about stories that he's following there, and Joseph Pecky will have an update for us on how the 2026 races for Governor and other Wisconsin offices are being impacted by Governor Evers' announcement last week, one week ago today, that he was going to be retiring.

That's my way of saying it's actually been a slightly slower week than expected.

I did expect kind of a stampede of candidates who are, you know, getting ready to announce and we're going to announce.

I still think there are going to be numerous candidates in the race, but I did think that there'd be, you know, maybe a couple of more out of the gate right away.

So far, that has not proven to be the case.

But again, it's July 31st of the year before.

So the Cubs did trounce the Brewers yesterday 10 to three.

So the Cubs avoided a three game sweep, but Milwaukee still is on top of the division by one game.

And the thing is, they've got one more series, and it was going to be rough enough when it was a four game series.

But now it's going to be a five game series to make up for a rain delay or a rain out earlier this season.

So it'll be a five game series from August 18th through the 21st.

Freddie Peralta, who had won his last seven starts, allowed a season high five runs and four innings yesterday, including a lead off home run on the game's first pitch.

William Contreras had his fifth career two homer game.

Brewers are off today traveling to Washington DC.

They'll play the Nationals this weekend.

They'll be at Atlanta early next week.

So there's your update on sports from the heart of America's up north.

Live from Lake Wissota.

Thank you for making this the place to spend part of your mornings.

I'm Pat Krightlow.

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So getting back to the Brewers for just a second, I mentioned they're off today, heading to Washington to take on the Nationals.

So again, no game today, but tomorrow evening, you can hear the Brewers with the pregame starting at 5.10 tomorrow evening on Civic Media stations in Oshkosh, Racine, Kenosha, Richland Center, Park Falls, and Hayward.

Head over to the website, civicmedia.us to learn more.

And yes, tomorrow is another free ticket Friday.

Now, I'm not giving you the keyword yet, but I am going to give you a heads up because it's always for a specific Brewer game, and I want to give you time to plan for it.

Maybe you wouldn't think to enter this contest, but if I told you the game to plan for, maybe that would be it.

So Free Ticket Friday tomorrow is for the game the following Friday, one week from tomorrow at American Family Field against the New York Mets.

Big game.

Uh, so let me, let me get the start time on that game.

It's a seven 10.

So Friday evening game next week.

So if it's something that interests you, if you can get tickets delivered to your phone and use electronic tickets at the stadium, you're going to want to have, have that civic media app and tomorrow we'll give you the keyword during our show.

There'll be different keywords throughout the day on different shows and you could be in the running for four great seats and Parker can attest as can I, uh, those are great club level seats.

Great view of the game.

We got the photo from Jim and Brookfield the other day enjoying the tickets that he won from Civic Media.

It's a fun place.

You're right by foul ball territory.

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You got a chance.

Oh, without a doubt.

Yes.

I am at some point going to get a foul ball.

I don't think so.

I truly believe that.

Yes.

So keep that in mind for free ticket Friday.

Also, sign up for our newsletter.

We have a question of the week in our Sunday morning newsletter about Wisconsin politics.

And this week's question of the week doesn't sound like it should be about Wisconsin politics.

It's about cryptocurrency.

But, you know, if Congress is going to bend over backwards to be friendly to the crypto industry, maybe we have to depend on our state lawmakers to make sure that their consumer protections in place.

So overall, we just decided to say, where are you on crypto right now?

I mean, is it inevitable?

Is it the future of money?

Do you really not know?

And, you know, you just want to learn more?

Or have you learned just enough to go, no, I don't like this.

I'm too skeptical.

So that's what the readers of our Sunday newsletter get to answer first on Sunday mornings.

Sign up for it over at UpNorthNewsWI.com and learn more.

We're gonna talk more less than two hours from now in our eight o'clock hour with Sean O'Malley as I mentioned.

He's a Wall Street.

He's had a long career on Wall Street He's a Hudson native lives in Bayfield now and is actually back working on Wall Street on a little project right now I believe and You know, I've known him for 40 years now.

Just whip smart guy about the economy and He was the one who told me

many years ago when I was running for Congress in 2012 saying, I said, what is the single best thing we can do for the economy?

And he said infrastructure, we need, if we could get a massive infrastructure investment bill, it would create over a decades worth of jobs and improve the way we get products to market and move people around the country.

And it's just a complete win-win.

Well, nothing, of course, happened on it until the Biden administration.

And now we have that infrastructure bill.

Although, as I could have predicted, again, when you make an investment like that in new jobs, you always hear catarwalling from people going, oh, there's all that government spending again.

Yeah, so that the roads don't fall apart and so that we create jobs.

Regardless, I talked to Sean about the latest economic news.

And it was it was interesting to see the uncertainty

in the numbers.

There was, myself included, a belief that the newest numbers on the economy, the GDP, the gross domestic product, would be down.

And if they were down again, because they were down last quarter, that would mean that we were in a recession.

But they were not.

They were up.

But the thing I noticed was the way everybody was kind of hedging on the numbers.

And I asked Sean about this as well.

And

The fact of the matter is the the uncertainty is just downright crazy right now because of well the tariff instability.

We don't know is one day there's a tariff on these countries and one day there's not one day it's 25 percent the next day it's 15 percent.

One moment we hear we have a trade deal the next thing we hear is that it's a it's a handshake agreement on a cocktail napkin and it's far from done and that is pretty much how

It was written up in the New York Times saying that economic growth softened in the first half of the year as tariffs and uncertainty upended business plans and scrambled consumers spending decisions.

They talked about how the gross domestic product adjusted for inflation increased at a 3% annual rate in the second quarter.

Normally that would be a great number.

especially when you consider that in the first quarter, the economy contracted at shrink 0.5%.

But as the time says, both of these figures are skewed.

They were skewed in opposite directions because of the big swings in trade and inventories caused by the president's ever shifting tariff policies.

And so they don't tell the whole story of economic growth that appears to be positive, but is

downright anemic.

And that's what Sean is going to talk to us about as well, is why it is the way that it is and where do we think it's going to go?

And it caused me to bring up the larger question.

Okay, so it didn't get as bad as many had feared, but it's still sluggish.

Is this another case of Trump getting to declare victory because everybody thought he was going to crash the car and he just dented it instead?

And Sean pointed out, as others do as well, none of this sluggishness is necessary.

We were enjoying the best economic recovery on the planet coming out of the pandemic.

We were doing everything right.

Firing on all cylinders had just tamed inflation.

We're just getting started investing in new jobs.

And now Trump is pulling back on all of that.

And while we didn't crash, we are now in this...

I guess to borrow an old Jimmy Carter term, this is now Trump's malaise that we're in.

And we're going to have to live with it for at least a little while longer.

The Midwest Farm Report is coming up next.

And then Sharina Booker talking about weekend events around Wisconsin.

I'm Pat Crichtlow.

You're up north.

Here are some destinations you could put into your little map app and go have some fun along the way.

We're going to do that with Sherita Booker, social media manager for us at Up North News.

Hey, Sherita, how you doing?

Good, Pat, how are you?

Good, good.

We are going to save the big one for last.

This, of course, is the opening of the Wisconsin State Fair, so stick around for that.

But first we're going to talk about the Mile of Music in Appleton.

That's getting going today, something I did not know about until we did a story about it at Up North News some years back.

So why don't we start by having you tell us all about what Mile of Music is all about.

Yep, that kicks off today in a run through August 3rd and it's a free 4-day festival spanning a full walkable mile in the center of downtown Appleton with more than 700 live music sets performed by over 200 up-and-coming or emerging artists in 40 different venues.

Those venues can include coffee shops, bars, parks, restaurants, museums, and other public spaces.

public spaces so people this is the perfect time to support local while enjoying the free entertainment and last year they had around 100,000 attendees so expected to be busy for the four days and one detail about this event that I thought was really cool is that it's all completely original music no artist is allowed to do any covered song so it's like bringing the authenticity to the table

And if you want any information about this festival or tickets, well not tickets, but just information because it's completely free.

Visit MylesOfMusic.com.

Pat Kreitlow

MylesOfMusic.com and there you will learn even more about this amazing event.

I think it was Kevin Revolinsky first turned me on to this when he did a story for Up North News about it some years back because it's not just about

These are all unsigned acts, okay?

These are all bands and singers looking for a recording contract gig.

They have been working their hearts out in all these places, playing all these gigs.

They love coming to Appleton because not only do they have an appreciative crowd,

But then there's this behind the scenes support that's done.

Everything from massage therapists, financial planners, for some people it might be the only vision or dental check that they get.

Each year's a little bit different when members of the community.

step up basically and say they will support the musicians during the Mile of Music by doing these particular services for free.

It is just super cool.

It is such a great way to support the arts and I mean there's no place like Appleton that does it quite like this.

So again MileofMusic.com is where you want to learn more and maybe get out there and see some great original music.

While you're on that side of the state

You could also do broad days in Sheboygan.

That's coming up on Saturday, Sharita.

Yep, and they'll have traditional broads, broads on a stick, broad burgers, broad jambalaya, a corn dog, broad and tons of other food options that don't include broads.

But there will also be a broad eating contest if you're into that.

And the winner will get a championship trophy, a year supply of Johnsonville broads, gift basket of

Johnsonville merch and $75 worth of broad day tickets.

That festival will also have a cornhole tournament, live music, a marketplace, bounce houses for the kids, and carnival rides.

Admission to the festival is free and if you want more information go to broad-days.com

Pat Kreitlow

Broad-days.com and I'm

I think you kind of lost me at Brought Eating Contest because of course I'm thinking about the hot dog eating contest and it was Joey Chestnut and all these others who are just, I can't even imagine doing that with Broughts as well.

So now of course I want to know what the record is and find out if it gets broken this weekend.

So Sharita, file that away from Monday.

We got to find out if either there's a new record set.

Yeah, if somebody had to go to the hospital I know all these brats

someone needs to be on standby and know how to do the Heimlich

Pat Kreitlow

because yeah And and see if they get disqualified for what at the hot dog contest they call conduct detrimental to eating

And I think you know what we're talking about.

And of course, last but not least is the 2025 edition of the Wisconsin State Fair, State Fair Park in West Alice.

And this one, Sherita knows all about from firsthand experience.

Yeah, I go every year, multiple times a year with my family.

We'd like to ride all the rides.

And then I'll go another couple of days with my partner and we just like to eat a lot of food.

But the Wisconsin, yeah.

So the State Fair, it'll start today and it'll run through August 10th.

And some of the headliners this year include Boys to Men, Neo, Darius Rucker, and Midland with South Hall.

And we all know fair food is a big deal, so let's dive into that.

This year's cream puffs include chocolate and strawberry, in addition to the original.

Some of the new foods are Dubai funnel cake, alligator, Cajun mac and cheese sundae.

brisket cheese curd tacos, country fried burgers, flaming hot tots, blueberry breakfast bratwurst, and bourbon belly tots.

And I'll let you in on a little secret.

The State Bears website has a food finder search engine that compiles all the food vendors and the drinks so you don't have to wander around trying to find what you're looking for like it's already mapped out for you and you can use that on the go.

Um, I've used it myself.

Pat Kreitlow

I am already looking at this and well, you're gonna say something about the tickets and then we'll go.

Oh yeah.

The tickets are $20 for 12 and older and $13 for kids, kids eight to six through 11.

Pat Kreitlow

Okay.

So I'm looking at the food for under the sporkies.

Yeah.

Some of the things included there's s'mores churro fries.

Okay.

S'mores churro fries.

There's the

Pretzaroni pizza brought.

So it's a brought wrapped in a pretzel on a stick that you dip in marinara.

There's Mexican street corn pizza.

How good does that sound?

You know, I try that.

And then one of the drinkies I know you mentioned the Dubai chocolate strawberry smoothie.

Did you mention the dirty pancake?

No, it's a dirty soda that tastes like a pancake in a cup.

Okay, that's interesting.

It's interesting.

That's a very, very good way to put it.

And so much more at the Wisconsin State Fair.

And if you want more information there, wistatefair.com, wistatefair.com is the way to go.

And hopefully they have some really good weather and hopefully Sharita gets a chance to go there multiple times and give us a full report next week on the food, the drinks and the rides.

that I hope you don't do in that particular order because you might lose the food or the drink.

So take it easy out there.

Sharita, thank you so much.

Appreciate it.

Follow everything she does on UpNorth News' various social media websites.

Have fun at the fair.

Sharita, talk to you later.

Thank you, Pat.

And in doing those top stories that she collects for us, she posts them and then tracks, you know, how they do.

And as I'm looking at the top stories that she amassed from last week on Instagram, one of the most popular stories was one about a UW Milwaukee research team that had been mapping out how racial housing policies had shaped Milwaukee over the years.

What do you think the Trump administration did to that?

Yeah, they pulled the plug on funding.

So.

that's no longer being done.

Another favorite over at Instagram is a list from the Foodie website Love Food out of all the burritos in Wisconsin.

Their favorite fully loaded wet burrito, the kind with enchilada sauce, comes from Cafe Corazon and three locations around Milwaukee.

And we ask you to put in the comment sections or send us a note here.

Where's the best burrito in town?

Where you are.

people were traveling around, you know, best Mexican restaurant overall, would love to hear about that.

All right, we're in the 2026 gubernatorial campaign here in the state of Wisconsin.

Like it or not, it's July 31st, 2025.

We got a long ways to go.

And yet, we are already seeing the first strains of something that was probably expected by a lot of us depressingly so.

And it

We were tipped off to it by a post by the Lieutenant Governor, Sara Rodriguez, who put up a post with a photo of a flyer of hers that had been defaced and a copy of a post that somebody is sending out to newsrooms saying, Hi, I hope you're doing well.

I'm a reporter with and then it's blanked out here.

We received a tip that Lieutenant Governor Sara Rodriguez's husband has undocumented.

I understand this is a personal matter, but as she is running for governor, my team wanted me to see if there was any truth to it, since it would be of public interest.

Would you be able to provide any insight into his immigration status?

And I add parenthetically, mwah-ha-ha.

Because that's how these idiots operate.

Sarah Rodriguez put up a post with this saying yesterday reporters got a tip in quotes that my husband is undocumented spoiler.

He is a proud naturalized US citizen.

We are five days into this race.

And my opponents are already resorting to racist made up attacks on my family.

It's pathetic.

It's ugly.

And she notes here most importantly, quote, it sure as hell won't lower a single grocery bill or fix a single school.

If this is their best shot, they better pack a damn lunch."

End quote from Lieutenant Governor Sarah Rodriguez.

Putting the proper perspective on this, that this race is about your grocery bill.

This race is about your school.

This race is about state investment in things like healthcare and high-speed internet service and so much more.

It's about taking care of our natural resources or selling them out to corporate interests.

It's

continuing the Evers focus on small Main Street businesses, or it's going back to be Foxconn again if a Republican were to get into office.

That's what this race is about.

But in order to win, there are people that are going to stoop to any level whatsoever.

And that includes attacking the naturalized citizen husband of Sara Rodriguez, who, again, they've been married for coming up on 20 years here.

They got two kids, I think they're both teenagers.

There's a wonderful video of her salsa dancing with her husband because that's how they met and she said as much in her campaign introductory video.

They met at a salsa dancing class while each was working or visiting Oklahoma at the time and have hit it off well and have created a wonderful family.

She was an emergency room nurse and is now running for governor of the state of Wisconsin.

And I'm hoping that we don't have to spend a lot of time dealing with this kind of garbage.

But unfortunately, given who is president of the United States right now, even naturalized citizens, and that's the part I underline the word citizen, naturalized citizen, they've gone through all of the proper processes to be as much a citizen as you or me.

And yet even that status seems threatened to some folks to the point where

They may not speak out as much as they want to for fear of a president and their allies Who are saying well, you know, we gave you that citizenship we can revoke that citizenship which of course they can't that would be blatantly anti-constitutional and you would need practically criminally fascist Supreme Court justices in order to have such

Well, anyway, the stakes are very big in this race.

And the one thing we don't have time for is this kind of racism.

It's better that we focus on the candidates themselves, their positions and what they would do for the state of Wisconsin.

And so to that end, tomorrow on this program, in the eight o'clock hour, we will be interviewing Lieutenant Governor Sarah Rodriguez.

All right, right here, live joining us to answer questions about the race, about the career that has led her to this point.

And we're just...

you know, very happy to get a chance to visit with her.

We will do the same with all of the candidates that care to come in and visit and talk with us, whether live or pre-recorded.

We want them all to feel like they can come and share their point of view with you, especially ahead of what could be a very busy primary election.

Now again, the primary election isn't for more than another month here.

It's it's going to be on August 11th of next year.

So there will be other candidates to come in.

But let's get to meet them all because with any luck, we will have a governor for the next four years or longer in the state of Wisconsin that continues to keep a focus on you.

Not their biggest donors, not the biggest companies.

not the biggest promises, but the biggest potential for the state of Wisconsin.

That's what we deserve as governor.

We'll have today's history lesson coming up right after this.

You're up north.

Kathryn Lake

You're listening to Civic Media.

Find the latest news, information, and archives of all your favorite shows on the Civic Media website,

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civicmedia.us.

pretend I don't live in

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it sunshine gonna wash my blues away.

All right, let's look at who else is on today's history lesson birthday list.

Sebastian Kresge.

Only if only a few people now my agent up probably remember Kresge's, which was a discount department store chain.

You know, Sebastian Kresge's other discount store chain, Kmart.

Ah,

I do.

Pat Kreitlow

He started Kmart back in the day.

He was born this day in 1867 and passed away 99 years later in 1966.

So there's your trivia question.

Kmart started by Sebastian Kresge.

Happy birthday to Lobo.

He is 82 years old today.

Now, as somebody who grew up on the eastern edge of St.

Paul, I can tell you it was kind of a charge to hear that on the radio.

As a kid, me and you and a dog named Boo by Lobo, which I always thought was the band.

And here I am, you know, six decades later, realizing, no, Lobo was the name of the guy.

His birth name was Roland de Levoix.

And he was born in Tallahassee, Florida, 82 years ago today.

Today is Lobo's 82nd birthday.

Other birthdays today, Mark Cuban is 67 today, Wesley Snipes is 63, BJ Novak from the office is 46 years old today.

I mentioned at Summerfest seeing Gary Lewis of Gary Lewis and the Playboys.

I could play the little snippet I took of him singing his big hit, but you know, instead of hearing an 80 year old man sing it, why don't we hear the original version from the early 1960s?

Yeah, that definitely sounds better than what he pulled off at Summerfest.

Blossoms is still performing.

Glad he's still with us.

Happy 80th birthday, Gary Lewis.

We just chose to play the original instead.

By the way, if you don't know the family tie there, his birth name was Kerry Levich.

His dad's name was Joseph Levich.

But then at the age of two,

His dad, Joseph Levich, changed his name to Jerry Lewis, the legendary comedic actor, and he became Gary Lewis, born 80 years ago today.

If you're familiar with JFK Airport in New York, you may or may not know.

It was once called Idlewild Field, and it was dedicated this day in 1948 as New York International Airport renamed JFK a month after the president was assassinated back in 1963.

The number one song this week in 1971 was by James Taylor.

This of

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course was the Carol King written You've Got a Friend and she's got her own wonderful version of it, but it was the number one song this day in 1971.

On this day in 1980.

The Eagles split up.

And you can see why.

There's video of it.

The filmmaker was on stage as Glenn Fry and Don Felder started fighting in the middle of a song.

What?

Not verbally fighting.

Like while the song is going on and they're going off stage going, I'm going to kick your butt.

I'm going to kick your butt.

And that was it.

That was it for the Eagles.

Well, for 14 years.

until 1994 the hell freezes over tour because they only said for 14 years they would reunite when hell freezes over well guess what hell eventually sent enough money their way that they they saw their way clear to doing that the number one album on this week in 1976 was by George Benson

This is the title track to the album Breezen that the group Orleans released still one on that same day in 1976 Drake released a song this day 10 years ago.

This song is now 10 years old from his album views

On

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this day in 2012 Michael Phelps

broke a 1964 record for the most medals total won at the Olympics and he still holds that record today with 28 total Olympic medals.

Do you think that's ever going to get broken?

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I have to say yes because I've seen so many other records get broken.

You know, I never thought Lou Gehrig's record was going to be broken.

Yeah, Repkin Jr.

comes along.

So yeah, there probably will come a time but that doesn't mean we can't enjoy what we have here.

You know, I mean, goodness knows,

I'm really enjoying Shohei Otani.

It doesn't take anything away from Babe Ruth, but he's doing things Babe Ruth could never do.

So I just enjoy with each development.

Somebody comes along and you go, dang, you worked real hard.

You deserve this.

Today is lifeguard appreciation day.

And yes, we really do.

Thank you for all that you do.

And for all, thankfully, that you don't have to do if we're doing everything right.

Today is Harry Potter's birthday, the fictitious book character.

So for Harry Potter fans, they know that this is the day listed in the books as when he was born.

This is National Avocado Day, which is something, again, for most of my life, I didn't think I'd ever like or eat.

And then like 10 years ago, in my early fifties, I finally got around to trying guacamole.

And I went, hey.

This stuff's actually really good.

I do find when you try, I think it's better.

Yeah, ever since.

This is National Chili Dog Day as well.

I haven't had a chili dog in forever.

I don't think I have at all.

Well, it can really go either way.

I've had a good chili dog and I've had somewhere I'm like, wait a minute, what is this chili?

Is this alpo?

What is going on here?

And finally, this is the last day of July, July 31st.

And so we bid a fond farewell.

to Lasagna Awareness Month.

Starting tomorrow, you're not going to be aware of Lasagna for a long time.

It'll be a mid-winter's night when you go, I want something warm and toasty.

Let's make up a Lasagna.

Who makes Lasagna Awareness Night in the middle of summer or Lasagna Awareness Month?

I don't know.

I'm not aware of anybody who would.

It's nice to have that bit going bye-bye finally back after the news.

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On this Thursday morning, July 31st, 2025.

Good morning, it is 7.06.

It is nice to have you here.

Back up north, we've got Parker Olson producing the show down in Madison Studio A2, and we've got meteorologist Brittany Merleau here as well.

Good morning, Brittany.

Brittney Merlot

Good morning, how are

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you?

I'm hostile.

I'm grumpy because my coffee mug, which today's one is the mug that says I am silently correcting your grammar, is empty.

I normally fill it up during the seven o'clock news and we just got to chatting throughout the entire news break about things like the beef between Drake and Kendrick Lamar.

Bottom line, don't care.

Don't don't know enough about it and don't care.

But then that got me to say, by the way, in my defense, this is not a rap thing.

There's that other big beef Justin Baldoni and Blake Lively.

Don't care.

Don't know.

Don't know what brought it up.

So celebrities having beef just doesn't move me.

other people that moves them a lot.

You know, I've got Tony up in Ashland was saying that he was all in on the Drake Kendrick Lamar beef.

So many songs so quick and all very high quality.

And noted that he is on Team Kendrick.

When I mentioned Blake Lively, Justin Baldoni, he texted in that one I don't care about.

And for the end of lasagna awareness month, Robin Tigerton

He did, in fact, have lasagna.

He had it for dinner.

What was it on Tuesday?

I think, yeah, there it is, Tuesday after work.

But Alicia says, I didn't have any lasagna all month as part of lasagna awareness month.

Although she said, in my defense, lasagna gives me heartburn.

So it's okay.

It's okay.

John says hello from Colorado on Facebook.

Hi, nice to have you along here.

And let's get to what Brittany's here for.

Tony National saying the weather here is

unsafe, cloudy, not not cloudy, just unsafe.

The Canadian wildfire smoke is back and it is back with a vengeance up here.

I don't know how much across the state it it spreads, but it is just a very gray morning here.

And it just, I mean, even if you're young and healthy, it's just the environment is just not, it's suboptimal.

Let's put it that way.

Brittney Merlot

Yeah.

Yeah.

I mean, I am getting headaches.

You know, the second you step outside, you can kind of feel it in your chest sometimes, too, at certain points.

All of these different things, burning eyes, watery eyes.

Oh, it's terrible.

I mean, statewide, we're all in the red.

In fact, there are some very unhealthy levels right now into Door County, up into parts of northeastern areas of the Northwoods.

But this thing is widespread statewide throughout Minnesota.

The U.P.

the state of Michigan, all of Michigan on the other side of the lake.

So it is just engulfing us right now and it's pretty brutal.

It does start to lift north as we go through this afternoon and evening.

Now I don't know exactly how fast that's going to happen.

The alert and advisory expires at noon.

I'd say it might linger here a little bit, but again today it is still stuck here.

Should be gone by tomorrow.

We are looking at right now still fog two in some places north into Eagle River and Merrill about low 40s far north right now to mid 60s down south in the state and we've got some breezy winds.

That's going to help kick and mix out this wildfire smoke as we go through the afternoon.

They will be gusting around 15 to 30 miles per hour, prompting a beach hazard statement out on Lake Michigan.

So those waves are going to be climbing up to four to six feet.

She's going to be angry out there.

She already is actually dangerous currents.

So stay away from those beaches.

I wouldn't get in there if I were you.

Plus the temperatures are nice and refreshing.

No need to really do that low to mid seventies today statewide.

All of us at the wildfire smoke clears more and more sunshine.

Otherwise it's going to be hazy out there.

And of course, we are looking at comfortable conditions, dry conditions as we close out the rest of this week.

So this high pressure system is doing some good, but it's also the reason why this wildfire smoke is here.

Pat Kreitlow

Yeah, without a doubt.

More from Robin Tigerton.

Good morning.

It's partly cloudy and 53.

I mowed three yards in Tigerton yesterday and I've got three yards in rural areas of Tigerton today.

The sky reminded me of the skyline of Los Angeles.

Hazy and you

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could

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smell the smoke.

It does.

It has a very smog like look to it, which again is smoke and fog, but you know, the kind of smog in LA was also like air pollution related.

This is definitely much more just about the, you know, the smoke instead.

Let's see.

And we Rob did remind us that he had the lasagna the other day.

Oh, here he says the corn is tasseling nicely in the Tigerton area.

So the warm and humid weather we had in most of July has done wonders for the corn crop.

That is very true.

Brittney Merlot

That's good.

That's what we like to hear.

Pat Kreitlow

Yeah, and there's also you he said you can you can smell the smoke, especially those of us who have to work outside.

Wisconsin has dangerous health levels from the wildfire smoke and Alicia saying this makes me feel so bad for the folks up in Canada.

It's got to be so bad for them right now because not just the smoke but the flames the fire that you know is you know destroying houses and and you know ruining lives up there.

It's just very unfortunate.

Very

Brittney Merlot

scary stuff.

Pat Kreitlow

We can only hope that it doesn't last too much longer that they get the precipitation that they need.

Brittany, we'll get an updated forecast from you in an hour.

Thank you so much.

Talk to you again soon.

Sounds good.

All right.

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We were talking during the break about, you know, Jim and Brookfield.

won this week's tickets, well, last Friday's tickets.

And we just want to know, I mean, we know he listens throughout the day, and we just want to know, did he win it from listening to our show?

Was it the keyword from someplace else?

And Jim Texan, I did send in four different keywords, one for Pat, one for Jane and Greg, one for Todd's show, one for Maggie's show.

And we're very appreciative of that.

But he also wrote in, you know, he brought his family, it was the Cubs, and there was a leadoff home run.

And he said the leadoff home run by the Cubs was an eye opener for my wife who couldn't figure out why more than half the crowd was cheering loudly.

She hadn't been to what some Chicagoans call Wrigley North, but despite the loss, we had a good time.

And that's, that's the bottom line.

That's what we want to see.

That's true.

It is, you know, it's hard to look at the bright side of things sometimes, Pat.

I'm glad you can for me.

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I can see the bright side of things.

Well, through the smoke.

Through this basically, yeah, a squint a

little, but it's there.

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Yeah, exactly.

Coming up in our next half hour, we're going to be talking to the leader of a national media group that is putting up billboards in Wisconsin and other parts of the country, doing something that you probably, I don't want to say take for granted, but you already know this detail about the big Trump mega bill, the one that, you know, Derek Van Orden and all the other Republicans in Wisconsin voted for.

That, yeah, it makes these massive cuts to programs.

Some say, well, those are massive cuts on spending.

That's what we got to do is we got to cut our spending.

It does not cut spending.

It does not cut spending.

It takes those cuts that would come to you and to your neighbors and to your family and gives them to millionaires and billionaires in the form of tax cuts.

It's that simple, but a lot of folks still don't know that yet.

And so that's what led to the billboard campaign.

And we will talk to somebody who is leading the group and leading the effort to do that coming up a little later this hour.

A reminder that coming up tomorrow, we're going to be talking to Lieutenant Governor Sara Rodriguez.

She is a candidate for governor and she will be stopping by in our eight o'clock hour tomorrow to talk to us more about her decision to run for governor, what it's been like serving with Governor Evers these past four years, her career as a nurse, and more of what drives her and what drove her to go into public service.

She was not planning to be a state legislator.

and then Lieutenant Governor, and then a candidate for governor.

But she has a good story about what prompted her to make this career turn, and you'll hear all about it tomorrow morning in our eight o'clock hour.

By the way, the billboards that we're talking about in our next half hour, they're not the only communication out there with voters about the votes taken by Van Orden and others.

This from Whist Politics.

The League of Conservation Voters and House Majority PAC, that's a Democratic group, are targeting Congressman Van Orden as part of a new $700,000 digital buy that's been knocking Republicans over their support for the mega bill.

The group says it'll run on digital platforms in 10 other districts besides Wisconsin's third congressional district during the August recess.

They didn't break down how much they plan to spend per district, so we don't know how much of that is being spent on ads targeting Van Orden.

When we say digital platforms,

It means, you know, right before you watch a video on YouTube or on Facebook or even even your games, I still play words with friends, Sherry and I send words back and forth.

And sometimes you get a little commercial between the games and usually it's for one of those goofy other games like Royal Match or something like that.

But sometimes they're actual commercials and more and more political groups are putting ads on.

every one of these digital platforms to target people who otherwise would not be news consumers.

And so that's what you're seeing here.

And in this particular campaign, the spot targeting Van Orden says that the plan takes Medicaid away from millions of Americans and removes clean energy from the electric grid just to provide a tax cut for the wealthy.

The narrator says everything costs too much already and Congressman Van Orden just voted to make it even worse.

Now, Van Orden, to his credit, is not yet saying, you know, I made a mistake.

I didn't mean to be taking away all these jobs.

I didn't mean to be taking away all these people's health care.

He is instead sticking to his guns of saying that there are no Medicaid cuts in here that go to citizens and people who've earned them.

And it's an amazing level of either delusion or cynicism that prompts that.

There's going to be a lot to be said to voters over these next, you know, however many months, 15 months or so, about what the actual case is with this mega bill.

Also from WisPolitics, the Dane County Republican Party says it has filed a complaint with the Office of Congressional Ethics against Congressman Mark Pocan over business that his print shop has received from campaigns, including his own.

But here's the thing, because Derek Van Orden brought this up last week talking to Po Can, accusing him of funneling money from his campaign to buy signs from his company.

But here's the thing, in the WIS Politics Report, it notes, the claims being made by the Dane County Republican Party in the announcement are contradicted by publicly available records from the Federal Election Commission.

In other words, a lot of

A lot of folks are just going to hear the first line of the news story.

The Dane County Republican Party says it has filed a complaint with the Office of Congressional Ethics against Congressman Mark Pocan over business as print shop has received from campaigns.

And some people are going to think, oh, oh, that sounds shady.

So hopefully most media outlets as they're sharing this will also make clear that the claims are made up.

and that they are contradicted by Federal Election Commission records that you can go get and you can go look at right now.

Anybody can file a complaint.

Hopefully responsible newsrooms are putting that complaint in perspective because it's fiction.

A local update is next for some of you and then we'll be talking more about that billboard campaign about tax cuts for billionaires coming up at 7.35.

I'm Pat Crichtlow.

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Pat Kreitlow

Hey, welcome back.

It is just about 7.23 now on this Thursday morning, last day of July.

And again, a little public service reminder here.

If you split your property tax payments in two and you paid half of it in January, the other half is due today.

So I'd like to think that at least one person out there, I've saved them a lot of hassle and went, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, write that check out.

Get it in the mail.

That's what I did yesterday.

I wrote out a paper check.

and I put it in a mailbox and I can just hear other people going, you did, what is this?

What

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is this thing

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grandpa

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that you did?

Pat Kreitlow

That's a thing.

You have checks.

I still do have to, in fact, here, let me, let me go get the one here.

Oh boy.

So these are the ones that are, you know, they make carbons and it used to be that, you know, you'd write so many checks a month for all the bills and you'd go through a lot of check, go through a box of checks in no time.

Yeah.

The first one in this one is from November 16th, 2020.

That's how long this checkbook has been around.

Yeah.

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Uh, yeah.

Yep.

Times change.

Times do change.

Yes.

I'm sorry.

Jiggling the monitor over here.

I was just trying to look at the other one.

Does this, does this say what I think it says?

Oh boy.

It does.

April 20th of 2017 on the other, on the other bank account.

So

Why do we have two banks?

Because direct deposit in two different banks from our different employers.

2017 has taken to write the checks on that one.

I do pay a lot of things electronically.

I almost actually know all of our bills now.

There was for the longest time, there was one place, I'm not going to name where, but it was one of the local places where you would have a monthly bill.

And they'd be calling all the time and saying, hey, you're late with your bill.

And they'd be like, when are you guys going to accept electronic payments?

Every other bill I pay is on autopilot.

I don't have to think about it.

I'd look at it.

It's fine.

It gets paid.

You guys still want the whole horse and buggy thing.

And they finally changed.

Thank goodness.

Yeah.

Pat Kreitlow

But I also know that with the electronic payments, you know, comes an extra fee.

And I'm looking at the one from Chippewa County here.

And, you know, additional fees apply 2.39% for credit cards, minimum fee of $2.95, a flat fee of $1.50 for an e-check.

And again, look, I can pay $2.95.

But every so often, you're like, you know what, for this one, I'll write the paper check.

And I do.

Do you even have a paper checkbook?

Nope.

I don't have checks.

Wow.

Yep.

That is how different the times are.

Mr.

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Kratlow.

There's not ever an occasion where you need to write a bigger check or something.

Everything is just either Venmode or Apple Pay or

whatever.

Pat Kreitlow

Yeah, not that I've run

across.

Now, I did get a buddy of mine texted me about maybe getting an apartment though, so maybe at some point there'll need to be a check involved in that, but.

Pat Kreitlow

What will you do if it needs paper checks?

I

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will have to find something.

You have a local bank account, right?

Yeah,

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yeah.

Or, well, no, I think that, is it a local bank or is it one of like the national banks, like Capital One or something like that?

No, it's a

local bank, yeah.

Pat Kreitlow

Okay.

Tony on YouTube, you absolutely still need checks, Parker.

That sounds

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like something I

have to take care of though.

Pat Kreitlow

At some point and you don't want to have to...

do that, you know,

no, not in a pinch.

Okay,

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dad.

All right, see, there's our little public service here.

Once again, taking care of what what generation are you again?

Are you you're not alpha?

What's I don't even I don't pay attention to it unless you're a boomer.

I don't know what your generation is.

I'm 22.

If you

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happen

to know what that falls in.

Seriously?

Yeah, I'm pretty much I assume I'm X. I really don't know.

I've never assume your acts are not

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Z. Sorry Yeah, Z. Yeah, that would make sense, right?

I think I don't I have never been interested in the whole like generational cutoff cutoffs I don't know why it seems like something I should be interested in especially with like, you know how voters work

But yes, it's

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just

never piqued my attention much.

Pat Kreitlow

All right.

Well, here, for example, now it says here boomers 1945 to 1963.

Yeah.

I was born in 1964.

And so it was, you know, very early Gen X. That went from 64 to 1979.

It says that Gen Y, that would be the millennials are 1980 to 1995.

And then Gen Z is 1996 to 2010.

And then I think they're called Gen Alpha, Generation Alpha, whatever, Alpha, is from 2011 onwards.

So yeah, that puts you squarely in the Gen Z category.

OK, I am now proud to admit that I know what my generation is.

There you go.

New

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development.

Now we need the who, you know, talking about my generation to play here for us to, you know, actually, we don't know.

We don't know what generation we're on, so we can't really talk about it.

I wanted to ask as well before we left here, I was looking at tonight's dinner plan and being very happy about last night's dinner plan because we had BLTs.

And apart from grilling, I mean, grilling is the quintessential, you know, summer dinner thing.

Yeah.

But.

Remember when we mentioned in the last hour at the end of lasagna awareness month?

And again, who does lasagna in in the middle of July?

You know, but our BLT is like the best light summer dinner to have.

That's probably right.

Pat Kreitlow

Yeah.

I mean, we don't we don't typically make I don't think we make them in the winter at all.

And they're just they're they're nice and crisp and meaty.

If you get, you know, just the right

lettuce and tomato.

Although there is the other one that's coming up.

Sweet corn.

Sweet.

Oh, sweet corn.

I

was so happy to have sweet corn a couple weekends ago.

It just it made my week.

Oh,

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see, I don't know if it's if it's ready here yet.

There's a place just north of Chippewa Falls here called Klingers Klingers Farm.

And you Klingers, you can get it like minutes after it's been picked.

Oh, that's cool.

And then take it home.

And

Oh my gosh, it's just so good.

Oh look, I've got myself all psyched up for this weekend's dinner plan.

I am ready to go.

All right, when we come back after the Midwest Farm Report, we are going to be talking about that billboard campaign in Wisconsin and other states to let people know that the tax cuts are going to billionaires.

That's, you don't want to hear it some folks, but that's where it's going to go.

Not all of it.

but a whole great big chunk of it and you're paying for it.

And we'll talk about that coming up at 735 here across the Civic Media Radio Network.

I'm Pat Crightlow.

There's no shortage of ways to describe the ways in which the Trump mega bill is Predominantly geared toward corporations and the very wealthy there is a massive cut

to the corporate income tax rate that is made permanent.

There have been multiple analyses on the bill that show that, for example, the people in the bottom 20% of earners will see a 0.5% increase in their after-tax income compared to about five times that amount for people in the top 20%.

But not everybody knows that.

And so that's what led to a discussion that I held yesterday with a gentleman who runs a group that's putting up billboards all around the country, including here in Wisconsin.

Let's visit now with Faz Shakir.

He's the founder and executive director of the media organization, More Perfect Union.

Faz, thank you for being here by the way.

Let's start with a description of what More Perfect Union is.

Well, Pat, we launched this thing in 2021.

And we're a media organization of buying for working class people to tell the stories of economic justice through their lens.

You know, when I launched in 2021, I had just come off with managing Bernie Sanders' presidential campaign.

And I felt that there was a challenge of trying to tell the stories of real working class lives in this environment in which we feel like the perspectives of the wealthy.

is really captured in a lot of traditional media outlets.

If you're watching CNBC or reading the Wall Street Journal, they're really often telling you the perspective of the C-suite, the executives, the big shareholders.

My frustration has long been, but what about if you're an Amazon worker who's organizing?

What if you're a national park ranger who's having to go about your job in the struggles of what you're trying to deal with in this modern economy?

So the goal of the organization is just tell.

the stories of working class people try to tie those to solutions.

Pat Kreitlow

Well, we were just noting on our show yesterday on Wednesday that is the 60th anniversary of Medicare and Medicaid and the number of Amazon workers and McDonald's workers and Walmart workers who are also on Medicaid is astonishing.

And I don't think people are necessarily aware of it.

Similarly, the billboards you're putting up

Tell a story for something that I think some of us take for granted, but many people still don't know about the budget cuts in the Trump mega bill and how they're not necessarily savings.

This is essentially a transfer of wealth.

Is that pretty much the story behind the billboards?

They are takings, right, Pat?

So that's right.

And so the billboards that you're referring to say we make

they take.

And the takings that we're referring to here are Medicaid, people on Medicaid who are working.

I mean, the great mythology as you're referencing is that somehow people on Medicaid, Medicare are not working or haven't earned these benefits.

The real truth of them is if you work 20 hours a dollar general, right?

Who's stopping you from working 40, 45 hours a dollar general?

It's often Dollar General, the bosses are.

A lot of workers are trying to get to a place where they're earning more and having more benefits.

If you're driving Uber 30 hours a week, Uber isn't giving you health care.

They aren't giving you retirement benefits.

So a lot of these major corporations are saddling the federal government with the responsibility of providing health care, providing any degree of retirement to working class people, and they're making billions of dollars.

So in our view, here you got a bill.

that says, well, we're going to give tax breaks to the richest in this country because they are the great creators of our economy.

They need more money.

And what they have been doing with this money is literally taking away health care and retirement.

That is what Amazon kind of created, right?

The modern economy is we're going to have thousands of workers and none of them will have health care.

None of them will have decent retirement benefits.

So they are literally taking now at the stage that the actual little health care that many of these workers had.

Pat Kreitlow

Well, it's like I was saying for the Medicaid anniversary, there's 71 million Americans on it.

And a lot of Republicans say, well, see how big that number is.

So many people that say their income is low enough to qualify for Medicaid, which to me begs the question, then why don't we do something if so many Americans make so little that they qualify for Medicaid?

This is as much a wage problem as it is a health care issue.

And an easy solution that's frustrated me for a long time is you want to compel

McDonald's, which has tons of franchisees.

Again, it's a problem with having a major corporation that is largely executed through franchises.

You have Uber.

You have Amazon.

You have Dollar General.

A lot of these make Walmart.

A lot of these companies that are billions of dollars in profits.

And why not compel them?

You have to provide health care to your employees.

you have to provide a retirement benefit to your point that you remember how there's just a few decades ago where that was the assumption.

If you were going to go work at a major corporation, you are going to get a decent benefit that raised the standards of everyone.

And now, of course, you got union busting all over the place.

You got companies trying to exploit workers in every which way possible.

And now they are refusing to provide even the basic minimum.

of what you need to live and now you're right that there's been a transfer right so that federal government's owning more and more of this responsibility now that the public can say well oh it's just growing so much we have to we have to take it away well you could compel the corporations of america provide health care to your to your employees this would solve a major problem

Pat Kreitlow

the billboard campaign was announced to be launched across nine states including boards in milwaukee is that still the case or has the campaign changed at all since the initial rollout

No, you got it right, Pat.

We're going to try to be as many places as we can, trying to tell a story that's more than just the anti-Trump perspective.

I think a lot of people got that, right?

That Trump has a certain vision and ideology and he's executed now this twice, right?

First tax bill, now second tax bill, this first term, now second term.

So I think people got that sense.

But what we're trying to do is also make sure that there's a narrative and a story of who is benefiting and not just Donald Trump, right?

It's the beneficiaries are these wealthy people that you see.

And we mentioned, you know, Musk is one of them, Bezos.

is another Zuckerberg.

These are the people who've really thrown in with Trump and are now getting the return of their business model thriving under Donald Trump.

Pat Kreitlow

And yeah, those billboards, they do have the different billionaire CEOs.

You mentioned Musk and Zuckerberg and Bezos, Peter Thiel from PayPal is on there as well.

Have they essentially

made themselves the public face of this transfer of wealth.

I mean, do you feel, I think Elon Musk is a pretty easy one because of his role with the Trump administration, but between the four of them on there, do you feel like that creates the best narrative for the middle class who would drive by these billboards to understand the way wealth is moving toward those four individuals, among others?

at least three of them.

You'll remember, you know, Elon and Bezos and Zuckerberg were sitting right behind Donald Trump as he was inaugurated.

They volunteered that we, you know, the billionaire class are throwing in with this guy and are so proud of it that we're going to sit right here and feel like we have a degree of ownership over the direction of this country.

And to my mind, you know,

it's trying to pull this a little bit out of the partisan politics.

I would hope that more people see and understand the major problem we have is, you know, Bezos would love to buy the Democratic Party too, right?

It isn't just like he's got the opportunity with the Republican Party because they got the trifecta.

They own the presidency, the Republican Senate and the Republican House.

So that's where he's going to be spending his money, his effort, his energies to try to extract gains for himself.

But if the tides were to turn, he would also love and has in the past given money to try to

purchase, you know, a direction.

of a democratic side or any other side.

And it's the job of people who want to serve in public office to operate with integrity and fight for people beyond themselves.

That is really, to my mind, the meaning of being in public life, that you are willing to use power and authority to fight for other people besides yourself.

And we are in a state, sadly, Pat, where there's a lack of integrity, the corruption of a system, both politically and economically, is at heightened levels.

And I think we're all hunting and searching for the people

who want to be willing to take on powerful actors, know that it's going to be painful, but do it with integrity on behalf of actual working class folks.

Pat Kreitlow

We're talking with Fash Shakir.

He's the founder and executive director of the media organization, More Perfect Union, which has launched a billboard campaign in Wisconsin and other states about the Trump mega bill and the tax cuts for billionaires.

Is this is not your first billboard campaign if I'm not mistaken that you've also called out the the doge cuts earlier and Do you already have something in mind for where you're going from here to keep these issues top of mind for Americans as they see these billboards?

Yeah, well, in my view, you know, a lot of these billboards have been put up in places that are, you know, we'll call red or purple at least, you know, places where they are not core democratic voters.

They're trying to speak to people who may have voted a different way.

and the first billboards that you mentioned were about the cuts to national park rangers and national park staff and really unnecessary heinous efforts to attack people who in my mind serve as the best ethos of america and i was talking about integrity with you before pat right that here's national park service staff whose whose job they don't make tons of money off these jobs they they do these to improve your standard of living as you come into a national park national parks are available to all people regardless of income great thing that we want to maintain and yet doge said oh this is this is

place we want to go after.

And I thought when we did the first billboard campaign, there were a lot of Republicans can start to say, Hey, you know, I like Donald Trump.

I like some of the things he's doing.

This is a step way too far for me.

And I'm trying to own that persuasion mindset in this moment.

I can appreciate respect that people will vote for Trump, vote for Republicans for a whole host of reasons.

But I want to want to explain it.

on the issues of class and who fights for working people.

It is, in my view, the issue of our time.

And it is the issue that is often least covered through traditional media, thanks to you and others who are trying to do it through alternative forms of media.

And it requires like having a, you know, trying to get messages through to folks because they aren't ordinarily going to see it.

They are only going to hear about, oh, doge cuts on national park staff.

They're not going to hear about, oh, Jeff Bezos is making out like a robber baron with his tax bill.

I want to make sure as we get through the course of the next few years that class-based conversations are had.

Pat Kreitlow

And it's beyond the billboards as well.

I note that on your YouTube channel, it notes that you're an Emmy-winning non-profit newsroom.

You can go to More Perfect Union on YouTube and see all the other multimedia ways that you're trying to get this message out.

That is the principal way we try to get this message out.

I have a staff of 35 people.

And we do journalism every day.

We're all over the country trying to tell stories of, you know, data centers right now, for instance, they're taking over a lot of communities and towns, pilfering the water, pilfering electricity, raising energy costs on working class people.

Also, all just so Elon Musk can create grok or, you know, that we can have some kind of AI chatbot, you know, like really to screw with workers that in that way, we really have a fundamental problem of too few actors.

Have way too much power and you see this particularly in big tech with the with the onset of AI and our job at more perfect use just to tell Make sure we are telling the stories from those who are getting screwed right now and to suggest there could be a different way a better way

Pat Kreitlow

Apart from the YouTube channel Is there anything else that you would like to motivate people to do if they see the billboards if they see the videos?

Well, I'd love for them to sign up on our email list.

I mean, if you go to perfectunion.us, you'll see our website there, and you can sign up for our email list there.

And then also all our other channels, we're on TikTok, Instagram, all the major platforms.

And thankfully, we're doing quite well with views and growing very well at this point in time.

But I would love even more support, please.

Pat Kreitlow

Fashacur, founder and executive director of More Perfect Union.

Thank you again for your time.

We appreciate it.

You're kind to have me.

Thank you, Pat.

Pat Kreitlow

A couple of more notes on, again, the impact of this bill on taxes, because we've talked so much about in generalities.

But here are the numbers as the bill has been studied.

From the Urban Brookings Tax Policy Center, nearly 60% of the tax cut benefits go to the top 20% of incomes.

So 60% of the benefits going to people earning $217,000 and above.

you know, millionaires and billionaires.

And then Penn Wharton looked at a budget model with an impact on lifetime income.

Once you figure in the effect of cuts to Medicaid and food assistance households in the bottom 20% will experience a lifetime value of loss of $27,500.

By contrast, in the top 20%, they will gain value of $65,000.

And then what about the folks right in the middle?

Well, you'll get a slight, maybe $500 benefit lifetime from the tax cuts.

But if you need any of those programs that are being cut, you are going to be out of luck.

A local update is next for some of you.

Others, some more news and notes from here on Lake Wissota, across the Civic Media Radio Network.

I'm Pat Rightlow.

Kathryn Lake

You're listening to Civic Media.

Find the latest news, information, and archives of all your favorite shows on the Civic Media website, civicmedia.us.

Pat Kreitlow

Not only our usual week and review panelists of former U.S.

Attorney Jim Santel and journalist Jennifer Scholesi and Mark Jacob, Key of the Keel, Courier Newsroom, National Political Editor.

We'll have Dr. Kristen Lierly.

We'll have Craig Bach.

We'll have Mike Clemens with sports.

But we'll also get a visit from Lieutenant Governor Sarah Rodriguez coming up in our eight o'clock hour tomorrow.

That's here on the Civic Media Radio Network, where we are joined now by one Todd Alba.

who again has, yeah, that's you.

That's you, buddy.

How are you?

I can't hear a thing you're saying there.

So you, you, you work on plugging that in.

Well, I tell people on your behalf, what a show he's got today.

I mean, theoretically, the note that I have here says this, live from WRCE in Richland Center, focusing on Walk With Grace, a major community fundraiser for those who are fighting cancer.

Let's see, and Phil Knee, the GM from WRCO in Richland Center and host of the station's long involvement with Grace and June Knee, chair of Walk with Grace, coming up at 235.

That's all on the Todd Alba Show, our favorite radio mime performing for us right now on social media as we try to figure, have you considered plugging, unplugging it and plugging it back in?

Turn it off and turn it on again.

or get out and get back in and we'll we'll get you there uh met and air on air is coming up right after this fine program

And that will include former U.S.

Attorney Jim Santel who will be joining Jane and Greg just after the nine o'clock news.

And then for a little sports, Packer Training Camp is still going on.

So we don't have to think about the Brewers losing to the Cubs yesterday.

The Brewers did take two out of three, but let's focus on the Packers.

And so Jane and Greg will be talking at 10.35 this morning with Paul Noonan, sportswriter for the Acme Packing Company.

That again coming up on mat and air on air.

Mr. Alba, come in please.

you read me over

Bombay to Rangoon.

Are you there?

Come in.

Pat Kreitlow

This is London.

All right.

How are you?

I don't know what happened.

I don't know.

This is why I just digital give me a grease pencil and a razor blade and cut the tape.

I mean, that's the type of radio that I haunted you.

You know, the digital stuff I don't know what's going on.

Pat Kreitlow

Do you know, did we did we we talked about this in the little host retreat last week about cutting tape and

There are very, very, very few of us left who actually to edit things for radio on reel to reels and you would have to mark it with a grease pen and then use a razor blade and then use some splicing tape to put things together.

And now granted.

I only used, you know, used it.

I mean, I can count on one hand.

It was very rare because then other things were invented, you know, cart machines and things that were eventually digitized.

But it's one of those lost arts.

And I'm not going to be sad about it because you know what?

Not everybody has to be a barrel maker either.

At some point you move on to new occupations, you know, you change

over time.

Pat Kreitlow

But we'll

always

Pat Kreitlow

need people who can who can take the events of the day and put it in perspective radio hosts like Todd Alba.

You are

insensible.

I'm not sure about that, but thank you very much as are you.

But no, there's something the tactical part of that era of radio.

And I'm not sorry that I was a part of it.

But I'm not necessarily sorry that that part's passed either.

Because, you know, yeah, it is easier when you get to digital.

But yeah, there was something cool about having the reel to reel for those that don't remember it was, it was just a thin piece of tape on two plastic reels, I guess, occasionally metal reels.

So then you have to go back and forth to cue it up, so to speak.

Look at

Pat Kreitlow

Parker's face on

this.

It's like, we may as well be cavemen describing

Pat Kreitlow

our

hieroglyphics.

Pat Kreitlow

These are not things I'm familiar

with, fellas.

Never never did that at whitewater.

I've

Pat Kreitlow

heard never

teach this at whitewater.

Pat Kreitlow

No,

believable.

No

Pat Kreitlow

didn't get that plateau education You know what it's worked out well for you so far and that's fine.

I was listening to

I don't remember if it was John and Gordy or maybe it was somebody talking about these old, you know, like who had eight track players in their car

Kathryn Lake

and I raised my

Pat Kreitlow

hand because I had a 1973 Plymouth Fury and somebody had installed an eight track deck underneath the dash.

So you could play eight tracks.

So I had one of them, but there's fewer of them all the time, but I'm old enough to remember.

Do you remember Columbia house?

where you

get

Pat Kreitlow

like the

records,

Pat Kreitlow

the record club where you'd get like 10 cassettes.

Right, right, right.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Pat Kreitlow

Yeah.

Yeah.

Then it got to the point where you could check a box.

Do you want those 10 albums on cassette?

Or do you want them on CD?

I'm old enough to remember when real to real was one of the options.

No,

Pat Kreitlow

from Columbia house, you could get an album sent to you on a big old, you know, real.

Do you have any of those yet?

Oh, no, I never got one.

I'm just saying I remember when it was an option.

Yeah.

I mean, they probably worth money now.

Pat Kreitlow

They might.

I do have about a half a dozen, 12 inch reels from my early radio days.

Love to hear those.

I would love to get those

Pat Kreitlow

out.

I would love to hear them, too.

Is there is there even a reel to reel at Civic Media?

I know RCL has it.

Rachel Cheneyward would

of course RCL

Pat Kreitlow

legacy.

I mean, it's got a big trolla

Pat Kreitlow

in there for the love

of God.

It's

If you dig those out, here's the deal, Parker.

Keep this on us.

If Pat digs out his real, real radio days, I'll dig out my three-quarter inch tape of my talk show from Union Platteville from 1993.

Pat Kreitlow

Oh

boy.

Pat Kreitlow

Well, look, if you if you can find a machine that plays your three quarter inch tape, I also have plenty of three quarter inch tape for my early TV days.

It's not there's so much more than just that 1982 tornado warning that

Kathryn Lake

is

Pat Kreitlow

on YouTube right now with my big eighties hair.

There's all kinds of embarrassing clips from both of us that we can play if we embrace once again the aging technology.

that is currently in technology's waste bin.

There is a picture of me from a report that I did for a class, and it has an auto-captioner on and premiere, and it mishears my name and hears a PA in the background, and it says, for UWW TV News, I'm part girls, and you can get your

Pat Kreitlow

pictures

taken here.

Pat Kreitlow

You know?

I didn't think you could.

I thought, well, you don't have anything old.

You don't have anything that embarrassing.

Sure enough, he did.

He was the most in the challenge.

All right.

Todd will have much more substantive conversations on his program coming up from two to four today on the Civic Media Radio Network.

Thank you, buddy.

Good to see you.

Appreciate it.

Take care.

All right.

Yep.

You bet.

Talk to you a little later in our next hour.

We've got Chad Holmes.

We've got Sean O'Malley about your money in the markets and Joseph Pecky all ahead here on the Civic Media Radio Network.

I'm Pat Krightlo.

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Pat Kreitlow

Hey, welcome back.

Good morning.

It is 8.06.

Nice to have you here up north on this Thursday morning, last day of July, July 31st, 2025.

This hour, we're going to be talking to Sean O'Malley about your money and the markets and the latest economic news.

creating an economic picture that is as hazy as the skies of Wisconsin right now with all that wildfire smoke.

It is it is tough to get a read on what exactly is happening right now other than that it is the economy is kind of smoky kind of sluggish the way that we're all feeling right now.

We'll talk to Chad Holmes we'll talk to Joseph Pecky all that coming up first meteorologist Brittany Merlo is here to talk about the smoke and the haze and you know it's nice not to be rainy anymore but we just see we can't seem to buy

that perfect day, you know, of sunny skies, not too hot and not too smoky.

The quest for the Goldilocks weather goes on.

Brittney Merlot

It still does.

I wish I could just push a button and deliver that for everyone.

We do too,

Pat Kreitlow

you know.

Brittney Merlot

What are the other we're getting far and few between perfect summer days?

You know, either the humidity is cranked up, we're getting showers and thunderstorms or some wildfire smoke.

And that's the day today.

And some of that could linger still through tomorrow.

So right now, air quality.

unhealthy statewide, very unhealthy into areas of Appleton, Green Bay, Door County, the Northeast, Northwoods, North of Wausau.

It is getting worse by the minute there.

It's kind of seeping down the lakeshore a little bit.

So right now, you know, I'd suggest staying indoors, taking it easy, don't overexert yourself, stuff like that.

We're all feeling the symptoms, whether you're healthy or not.

It's kind of affecting a lot of people.

This is going to stick here today pretty thick.

It does want to start to move north and west slowly late tonight.

So areas of Milwaukee, Madison, you should see some relief hopefully by tomorrow.

But the rest of the state, it still wants to linger.

Maybe through the morning, gone by the afternoon is my hopes.

But we are still stuck with this cloud of wildfire smoke.

And there's a ton of wildfires up north and out west.

And of course, today we've got the high pressure.

Unfortunately, that is the reason why this is here.

It kind of settles the air and brings it down to the surface.

And this dry stretch sticks with us.

We are looking dry today, tomorrow, into the weekend.

Really, chances of rain are only minimal on Monday and Tuesday into next week.

But before that, we still have to battle some big waves on Lake Michigan today.

It is breezy down by Milwaukee gusts up to 30 miles per hour.

Those waves are climbing four to six feet.

So some dangerous currents out there, but comfortable low to mid seventies statewide today, mid to upper seventies across the state tomorrow and through the rest of the weekend.

Pat Kreitlow

And from Tom in Jackson on the text line, he simply says, how much rain yesterday?

Well, zero.

up here in Chippewa Falls.

I don't know anybody else's, but it was a goodly amount that fell throughout a big course of the day in the southern half of Wisconsin.

Brittney Merlot

Yeah, there definitely was, you know, I didn't look at totals either, but when I was tracking it yesterday, I was putting down at least a good half an inch to an inch in

Pat Kreitlow

places.

Okay.

Tony up in Ashland says, just give me my 15 below zero weather.

All this mowing is ridiculous.

Well, Tony,

Brittney Merlot

you got to

Pat Kreitlow

call, you got to call Robin Tigerton.

Have him come up and do the mowing for you up

Brittney Merlot

there in

Pat Kreitlow

Ashland.

Problem solved.

You're welcome.

So thank you, Brittany.

Have a wonderful day.

Brittney Merlot

You too.

Pat Kreitlow

All right.

Hey, coming up tomorrow on the program right at this very moment after Brittany's all done with her eight o'clock weather, we will be talking to Lieutenant Governor Sarah Rodriguez.

She is a candidate for governor and will be talking all about her decision to run the career path that took her to this point and where she would like to take Wisconsin if she is elected as next governor of the state next year.

So again, Lieutenant Governor Sarah Rodriguez tomorrow at this time here on these mornings powered by up North News on the civic media.

Radio Network.

Chad Holmes is here now from 98.9 WXCO in Wausau.

How are you doing?

Chad Holmes

Doing terrific.

How about you?

Pat Kreitlow

Doing okay.

Again, this haze is a little weird.

You know, you try to rise above it and say, look,

Chad Holmes

it's just

Pat Kreitlow

you can't do anything about it, but it really does, you know, take a little, take a little something off your fastball.

Chad Holmes

You're right.

No, you're exactly right.

This has been the best morning of the week.

I know we still have the haze, but temperature-wise, I love these kind of mornings when you come into work where you have that coolness in the air.

I mean, when I walked out the door this morning, it was a little surprising because I had not been used to it.

It had been so warm and humid for the last number of days.

You may get a little bit more on the fast fall when you feel the temperature a little bit cooler than it was today.

Pat Kreitlow

Yeah.

What have you been following?

You've had such interesting guests lately.

And

Chad Holmes

I'm going to

Pat Kreitlow

give you a chance to talk because, again, for folks that

aren't aware, I think most of you are by now, but we do have these local breaks at 720, 758, 2850 for some, not all of our stations to do a little local update, a little local news, a local interview.

We've talked to Earl Ingham about his podcast, James Kelly and Jimmy Cusk about stories they're following.

And I only see you posting on Facebook about some of the guests and topics that you're doing over there in Wausau so that if folks can't get it over the air on the radio, they can get you through the Civic Media app.

So tell us what you've been doing.

Chad Holmes

you know what i am trying to do here and it's kind of odd that we're coming up i mean i've been actually tomorrow is the third anniversary of civic media taking over wxco is

august

Chad Holmes

1st of 2022

12

Chad Holmes

midnight so it was a I still remember the folks from it was a very small operation back then but coming up here to try to get everything turned over so the programming would be ready to roll I were you on on August the first of 2022 yet or was it after that

Pat Kreitlow

it was it was about that time because the original show was 8 to 11 a.m.

and I believe it took place on that day if I'm if I'm not mistaken

Chad Holmes

yeah

because I mean in you has probably been around in broadcasting when you have major changes like that where you have to get a lot of new equipment to get all the programming in so obviously that was very very hectic that day but

One thing that civic media continues to do, one thing that I'm trying to do is to continue to evolve and try to have that right mixture.

And I'm having a mixture basically of talking about a lot of interesting people and I think a lot of interesting stories and also trying to, you know, be a little bit, I don't know, for lack of a term edgy at times with some of my opinion.

Spicy is the way that Tony puts it.

Hey,

Pat Kreitlow

look what I found.

I found it here.

We kick off August 1st, 2022, Episode 1.

comparison, where are we at today on shows?

Oh, Lordy, I've lost it already.

Because we've been doing this for a good

Brittney Merlot

long time.

This is

Pat Kreitlow

show number 613.

613.

So August 1 was show number 19, 2022.

It says we kick off our brand new radio show with Wasaw mayor Katie Rosenberg.

And yes, we talk about how hard the goats are working to clear invasive species out of a city park.

We get into PFAS contamination and her early endorsement of Lieutenant Governor Mandela Barnes for Senate.

and the highs and lows of being mayor.

We also talked to Nancy Stensel about Marathon County's new threat to groundwater and it's part of a lawsuit.

There's also a lawsuit about Tom Tiffany, Scott Fitzgerald and Ron Johnson.

Should they be booted off the ballot for supporting insurrectionists?

So we've been we've been topical Chad you and I since day one when we started this thing.

Chad Holmes

Yeah, some things stay the same but some things change and You were talking to our mayor three years ago, and I'll be in the next Local segment talking a little bit more about our mayor right now, Doug Denney and I'm frustrated with this whole process

And I don't know, maybe I'm being unfair.

I know that sometimes justice takes time, but at the same time, this was in broad daylight.

I don't understand what the Wisconsin Department of Justice is doing that takes this long.

This week, we had a meeting with the OASA ethics board.

Their investigation has closed, but now they have the hearing, and they're going to have a hearing coming up.

One of the things that's frustrating to me is they're going to be forced to subpoena a few folks that are public servants in order to get the relevant communication between themselves and the mayor during that time frame last September when he put on the hard hat he put on the vest and went out there with a camera and removed a

Dropbox right and I mean, I mean this is not a case where boy, we got to find out who did what it's such a

Pat Kreitlow

mystery Yeah, yeah, no,

Chad Holmes

I think that really frustrates me and I don't know maybe I'm often you can tell me I'm off on this But we have a number of folks that are

I would say public officials who are refusing to share communications and documents with the mayor during this timeframe, saying that it's too broad, or if you ask me specifically, I can be able to help you in this way, the chairperson of the... So they're

Pat Kreitlow

trying to get around open records is what

Chad Holmes

you said?

Yeah, the chairman of the ethics board said a couple of them sound like they came from the same folks in terms of the writing of it, that maybe a lawyer was involved in it.

But beyond all of that, the thing I mentioned this yesterday,

the idea that you are a public servant and you're trying to play these little games.

Oh, it's too broad.

If you ask me specifically, then I'll be able to help you.

Oh yeah, delay, delay.

They're

Pat Kreitlow

learning from Trump.

Chad Holmes

But no, the thing that really annoys me about this is that as a public servant, you should be stepping forward with any information.

to make this system work.

Not playing games to try to play in a whack-a-mole here.

Oh, you know, you miss me, you miss me.

That's frustrating to me.

Pat Kreitlow

Because you're essentially an accessory.

at that point.

You're helping somebody get away with something, which is exactly what you would say to all of the, you know, Trump apologists out there that are running roughshod over the rule of law, is they're not just being good foot soldiers to Trump.

No, they're being accomplices.

And why wouldn't you want to get to the bottom of something where, yeah, somebody you would normally support is doing something wrong?

And you should be willing to call that out.

And we've just, we've seen a real abandonment of that American value lately.

of good government.

Chad Holmes

I mean, another example, this is nationally yesterday, though, I'm sure you saw the state of Texas pushing forward.

Oh yeah, with the gerrymandering.

And it's also blatant now.

Donald Trump said, I mean, Donald Trump, say what you will, the guy is incapable of hiding his crimes.

Right.

He just talks about, yeah, this will be great for the Republicans in power.

Again, it's like,

the idea of good government is so passe now.

And now we're forced into a situation where Democrats are forced to say, well, you have to fight fire with fire.

And frankly, I don't see how you can't.

If one side is not going to acknowledge or going to play the rules differently than you do, it's a terrible spot to be in.

Pat Kreitlow

It's exactly what I said on.

Todd show yesterday he asked about this Texas map situation.

And I said this is very difficult for me to say but I can no longer in good conscience tell people in New York or California, Oh, no, you shouldn't do that because you know, two wrongs don't make a right.

But now it's more like don't bring a knife to a gunfight.

Yeah.

And that's what happens.

You're you're you're in something now with people who are so dismissive of the rule of law and fairness that you

you have to look at the full level of options, you know, before you.

And while I would not be the one to initiate that bill in California, New York, or some other deep blue state to say, you know what, we're going to reconfigure to just to maintain balance.

I might not be the one to introduce the bill, but I could no longer say I would vote against it.

Chad Holmes

And unfortunately, and I was reading the story on this, that the rules in New York and California make it more difficult to blatantly

do a political gerrymander than it is in Texas.

Doesn't that say a lot in itself?

Pat Kreitlow

Yes, it says a lot about values and where they are strongest and where they are more antithetical to the freedom that they love to talk about but don't really want for everybody.

Brittney Merlot

Chad

Pat Kreitlow

Holmes has all this and more in his segments on 98.9 WXCO.

Catch him there and on the Civic Media app.

Follow him on Facebook as well.

Chad, thank you so much as always.

We'll talk to you again later.

You bet.

All right.

Have a great day coming up next.

Well, some of you are going to get a local update.

And then when we're all back together in our next half hour, we will get some news from the economy with the opening bell from Sean O'Malley and then Joseph Pecky all coming up here live from Lake Wissota on the Civic Media Radio Network.

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Sean O'Malley joins us now with a Wisconsin take on territory he's familiar with.

That would be Wall Street and the economy.

And as I described it before, an economy with data that is as murky as the smoke that is floating across Wisconsin right now.

Sean, how are you?

I'm doing well.

Yeah, trying to stay indoors due to the air quality, unfortunately.

Pat Kreitlow

Yeah, I know.

I mean, we both would rather be on our boats right now.

And

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it's just not not great conditions for that at all.

Now, let me try to head something off at the past here, because there was a positive number on economic growth.

And a whole bunch of MAGA is saying, you see, you see the economy is good.

Why are you holding back?

The economy is good.

And I want to acknowledge that that there are some there are some positive numbers out there.

The thing is, and this isn't just me, Sean, you're seeing it from all the experts as well, it's that you still can't really tell from the numbers six months into the Trump term whether what he's doing, okay, there's not a recession right now.

He didn't crash the economy in six months.

Let's not give him a trophy for that because the record is decidedly incomplete, Sean, that's my view.

Yeah, that's correct.

So what we're seeing, Pat, is a lot of

due to the volatility of everybody new tariffs were coming.

So we've seen this sort of pendulum swing back and forth.

So we saw first quarter GDP going down one half of 1%.

Second quarter GDP came on much stronger at 3%.

We saw consumer spending go up 1.4%.

So those all look good.

But in those numbers, there are some not so great numbers.

For example, exports are down 1.8%.

tariffs are having an effect there.

Imports are down over 30%.

Now, part of that's because I think people, again, knew the tariffs were coming, ordered big in Q1.

So the number went up 35%.

In Q1 and Q2, we see it crashing back down again.

So we're coming back to more of a normal level.

So this is the sort of volatility.

that Trump's tariffs are having on the broader economy.

We've got a couple other pieces that are interesting to note.

We know that the Federal Reserve left rates unchanged.

Now, there's a footnote to that that came out earlier this morning, and that is, you and I've talked, the CPI index came out three tenths of a percent higher.

in June that was already reported earlier this month.

What we're looking at now is something that was just reported that the Fed looks at more than the CPI, which is the consumer purchasing expenditures, the CPE index.

That also went up three tenths of a percent.

So that's a really big jump.

And the inflation fears that led to that Federal Reserve decision to hold rates steady and not cut them seems now to be, of course, the right move given that we're seeing more inflationary pressures start to emerge in the economy.

So the tariffs are having an effect.

And we certainly have seen that on a micro level as well.

I mentioned to you that Ford, you know, company that I worked for probably many years ago, reported their earnings yesterday and they reported an $800 million impact due to tariffs.

That's just for Q2.

They're talking about roughly a $2 billion impact due to tariffs for fiscal year 2025.

Pat Kreitlow

And that is, again, what does that do to their hope for a profit or for sales?

Are you basically saying the tariffs negate any benefit they would get from increased

sales?

Well, Ford was lucky.

They actually beat their revenue numbers here in Q2.

But we beat them by better than 10%.

Congratulations.

Tariffs took.

Most of the profit of that away.

Yeah, look at even the earnings before interest in taxes and so you still have to figure in the interest in taxes on top of it That was a number small as only about six hundred and sixty million so smaller than the impact of the terrorists themselves

Pat Kreitlow

Well, because I know that lately

the president and others have been like bragging about the what they call the revenue from tariffs.

And I forget what it was, it was $150 billion.

The government has brought in $150 billion because of our tariffs.

Correct.

That's a weird way of saying we've increased taxes on Americans by $150 billion because they're still trying to sell us the, you know, the snake oil that foreign governments pay this.

It's consumers that do.

Right.

Foreign governments are foreign corporations.

No, the US government only has taxation authority over entities and individuals that file taxes in the United States.

Foreign governments, foreign corporations don't file taxes in the United States.

So

That means the only way they're going to get money is from you, me, and companies inside the United States.

So yeah, they're really proud that they have taxed us an extra $150 billion.

And of course, those tax cuts to mega billionaires, that we're also subsidizing.

I guess we should be proud of those too.

I'm not sure what the point is.

I don't think Elon Musk needs any more yachts to waterski behind, but no.

Pat Kreitlow

Look, they're sticking to their talking points.

And let's just see how long that lasts.

We're talking to Sean O'Malley about your money and the markets, and we'll continue that discussion coming up.

And then we'll talk a bit with Joseph Peckie about a week that has actually gone a little bit quieter than expected.

have to admit, I thought maybe we'd see more people jumping into the governor's race right away here.

And that has not been the case.

I'll get Joe's impression on that coming up as well.

The Brewers took two out of three from the Cubs, but they got thumped yesterday, 10 to three.

Still, the Brewers have a one game lead over the Cubs in the National League Central.

They're off today, heading to Washington D.C.

to take on the Nationals this weekend, and then they're in Atlanta early next week.

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Joseph Peckie is standing by.

First couple of final moments here with Sean O'Malley about your money and the markets.

Wall Street, the markets have been open for five, six minutes now and opening very slightly mixed.

And mixed is really the way that we're kind of looking at the economic news here, Sean, from the New York Times story yesterday.

about this mixed bag.

Many forecasters expect a further deterioration in the months ahead as tariffs work their way through the supply chain, the federal job cuts filter through the economy, and stricter immigration policies take a toll on industries that rely on foreign born workers.

And so that's really why we're saying it's not the glass is half empty or half full.

It's that we don't really know what's even in the glass yet, I think.

Well, that's true, Pat, but we're seeing the American consumer is not stupid.

Consumer confidence, which was at an all-time low last month, went up a little bit, but it's still at 97.2, which is well below the 100 mark.

And above 100, that means people are optimistic.

97.2, people are not optimistic.

That's number one.

Number two, we're looking at some of the impacts of that that were described in that New York Times article.

already forecast.

Now we know tomorrow morning we're going to get a non-farm payroll number.

Right now the expectations are between 110 and 120,000 jobs.

That is extremely low.

We have seen that sort of limping by between the 100 to 150 range every month, you know, previous to this this year.

But this is the lowest that we've seen forecast-wise and we are seeing also an expectation for unemployment to start ticking up.

And as we talked about earlier with more specific example of Ford, we're seeing the impact of the tariffs starting to hit profits.

There are a lot of unknowns.

The Fed seems to be taking prudent action by not cutting interest rates, but there's not a lot to cheer about.

There's a lot to keep watching for, unfortunately.

Pat Kreitlow

So again, no participation trophy for President Trump for not crashing the economy, simply taking what had been the strongest recovery post pandemic and taking us into the muck, which is where we're still waiting to see what direction we go in.

in the muck.

Sean O'Malley, thanks so much as always.

Hopefully you can get out on the boat soon.

Have a good week and we'll talk to you again soon.

Thank you much.

All right, let's bring in Joe Specky now at 838 to talk about the weekend in politics in Wisconsin here and other stories.

And Joe, I guess I'm going to be the first to claim that I was surprised.

I would not have been surprised to see half a dozen

people announced since last Thursday afternoon when Governor Evers said he wasn't running for governor announced their own campaigns for governor.

That's not to say that we won't get a half a dozen or more candidates coming in.

But I was wrong.

I thought a few others were like prepping and we're going to want to be one of the first ones to get into the race.

What was your impression?

Well, I want to talk about this from the very like political operative standpoint, which is once somebody has first mover advantage,

What's the rush?

Right?

Lieutenant Governor Sara Rodriguez was ready to go.

And by the way, I tip my cap to her and her team for being ready, right?

They have made clear, the governor has made clear, she didn't have any forewarning, she didn't have any, you know, super secret heads up about this, but she knew this was a binary reality.

The governor was gonna run for reelection.

or he wasn't.

And if he wasn't going to run for reelection, which is ultimately what he chose, she was going to run for governor.

And so she and her team were ready to go.

Once that has flown, right, and somebody is the first mover for the second candidate, third, fourth, fifth, sixth, however many it ends up becoming, there becomes less of a ticking clock of you have to get in.

And I think the calculus becomes more.

you want to get in the best way you can with all of the ducks that you can possibly get in a row lined up and tidied up.

And I offer that as someone who was part of a gubernatorial campaign that launched in the first half of October in 2013.

There's nothing that says you have to be announced before Labor Day the year before.

We've got a long way to go before the next.

Before a year plus from now is August primary and then another several months before a general election

Pat Kreitlow

And to pull back the curtain a little bit on one of the favorite talking points that you know the gotcha moment for the lieutenant governor They're like she had posted something to YouTube and it was listed as secret until it was time to announce That's how YouTube works is that you create videos that you may or may not want to make public you list them as private

until you're ready to release them or delete them.

And like you said, she was ready to go so that when it was just a matter of unchecking that private box, so to have it ready ahead of time isn't the gotcha moment that some folks think it is.

No, it speaks to I think the kind of leader Lieutenant Governor Rodriguez is, which is somebody who is strategic and looks, you know, looks out.

Along the horizon and tries to figure out what's coming up.

That's the kind of strategic thinking and vision you want from somebody in an executive position So she did a great job.

It's a fantastic announcement video like I think it turned a lot of heads because let's be honest Lieutenant governor is not the highest profile position in the state.

You are not in the newspaper every single day There you know, there's lots of attention on you during the campaign

And then you are sort of, you know, a little bit more behind the scenes.

Now, Rodriguez has been out there working her tail off for the last three and a half, you know, last two and a half, three years.

But this was the first time that a lot of people really got to see her.

And I think they saw someone who's dynamic, someone who has a real sense of who they are and what they want to do and the capacity to communicate what we're fighting for.

every single day and that's what it takes to be successful in today's political environment.

So I thought a really nice job by her and in the week since she has started to get some of that political ridiculousness and she is doing exactly what you want to see which is she's not taking any crap she's punching back against nonsense from the right and I think a really really strong start to the campaign for

Lieutenant Governor Rodriguez

Pat Kreitlow

and by the way the the nonsense and I've used up most of my firepower in the 6 a.m.

Hour of the show when I went after the folks who again were saying well her is her husband, you know Undocumented shut up.

He's a naturalized American citizen and while Trump and others may be you know Talking out loud about taking away people's naturalized citizenship a they can't do it be shame on you see naturalized citizens by and large are

more qualified American voters than a whole lot of people who were born as citizens given the hoops that they wanted to jump through the work that they did.

And so for anybody who's already gone with that smear, you know, never mind everything that I just said about how low that is.

The Lieutenant Governor's response was something along the lines of that's not going to lower anybody's grocery bill.

That's

not

Pat Kreitlow

going to do anything substantive for the voter and that's exactly the kind of perspective to put on this.

Yeah, she's hit every note in the first week and now we sort of see who else is on the list of thinking about it and getting ready to go and she will not be the only candidate but it's a question of how many other people jump in and how quickly they do so.

Pat Kreitlow

Yeah, and one more note that the Lieutenant Governor, Sir Rodriguez, will be joining us at 8.05 tomorrow here on Mornings with Pat Crite Low, powered by Up North News on the Civic Media Radio Network, looking forward to the visit.

And again, as more candidates get into the race, we are looking forward to talking to all of them so that folks who take part in this primary and all the other primaries

feel like they're making an informed decision because you and I both know how big these fields can get.

You can get eight candidates on the ballot and you go, I don't know, how do I pick from one of these?

Well, we try to talk to them one by one by one.

And with the lieutenant governor running, that gives us a chance to mention that in Wisconsin, you don't run as running mates until after the primary.

You get stuck with

to put it bluntly, you're running mate because people run separately for lieutenant governor and then the winner of the gubernatorial primary and the winner of the lieutenant governor primary, now they run together as a ticket in November and it is, it's not a mystery that there have been governors in the past who had a first choice for lieutenant governor but that person didn't win the primary and so they got a lieutenant governor that was not their first choice.

Yeah, and I am old enough to remember some of that.

It's a quirky way to do it, but it's the way we've got.

I am looking forward to a robust start to the gubernatorial primary for the remainder of 2025.

I would throw out a note of caution to folks who are considering running for lieutenant governor, which is, let's see how the top of the ticket race is shaping up.

before everybody just rushes into this thing.

Because there is some strategically involved when it comes to what the ticket should look like or there ought to be.

And you don't need to run for Lieutenant Governor for 450 days before an August primary.

And so, you know, I hope that the rest of this calendar year is about

beginning to see first impressions from the gubernatorial candidates and seeing who is kind of rising to the top.

And then we should start the conversation about who's going to run for lieutenant governor in my view.

Pat Kreitlow

That's a great way of putting it.

And to remind folks again about who gets on the ballot and how do you get on the ballot.

Anybody can say they're a candidate right now.

You can say it all you want, but the way you get on the ballot is collecting so many signatures on what's called a nominating petition and you can't start circulating those until April 15th of next year and you turn them in on June 1st of next year by 5 p.m.

So it's at 501 p.m.

on June 1st that we will actually know who is a real candidate for governor and for all these other things.

There's no rug.

Nobody's collecting signatures anytime soon here.

So I really like the perspective you're putting on this is to have the long view on this kind of thing.

Yeah.

And listen, and we should have a robust debate about who we want to lead our party.

That stands in contrast to what Senator Ron Johnson thinks should happen on the Republican Party.

which is he doesn't think there should be a primary.

What he's saying is by the end of this year, the Republican candidates for governor should get into a room.

He didn't say whether he wants it to be smoke filled or not and just decide who's going to be the candidate.

And I just think that's a great illustration of.

the ways in which the Republican Party rightly gets questioned these days when it comes to their commitment to democracy and letting people decide.

On the Democratic side, there's not going to be any, you know, smoke filled or otherwise back room.

There's going to be a number of candidates who go out and make what I hope is a proactive case and don't spend months tearing one another down because

This moment we find ourselves in is way too important for that.

We need to ensure that whoever the Democratic nominee is emerges from the primary, ready to run strong in the fall.

We've got to keep our eyes on the prize.

Pat Kreitlow

We're talking to Joseph Pecky.

A local update is next for some of you.

For others, Joe and I will continue to ramble on here until the top of the hour.

But in the few seconds I've got left, I see you wearing a Brewer's cap.

So you did not burn it and get rid of all of your other brewers memorabilia simply by losing to the Cubs yesterday.

You didn't say that's it.

It's over.

Lot of baseball left.

I'm, I'm liking, I'm liking where we're at

Pat Kreitlow

as well.

You should.

So two out of three, the, uh, brewers are off today.

They're heading to Washington.

They will be taking on the nationals and a game.

One of that series is tomorrow, five, 10, the pregame tomorrow on civic media stations in Richland center, Oshkosh, Racine, Kenosha, Park Falls and Hayward.

And tomorrow is a free ticket Friday.

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Those will be tickets to the Friday game next week against the New York Mets at American Family Field.

So stick around for free, uh, free ticket Friday tomorrow.

I'm Pac Rightlaw.

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Pat Kreitlow

Again tomorrow, Lieutenant Governor Sara Rodriguez will be joining us at 805.

Dr. Kristen Lierly will be along as well.

Courier Newsroom, National Political Editor, Kia Vakil, former U.S.

Attorney, Jim Santel, journalist Jennifer Scholesian, Mark Jacob.

We'll have Mike Clemens with sports.

Greg Bach will join us for our history lesson at 6.50.

Just another your typical jam-packed Friday morning here across the Civic Media Radio Network.

Joseph Pecky is with us and it is, like we said, a bit of a

slower week in politics this week, which enables us to talk about some of the other things that are going on.

And some of them, all you can do is let the headline pass and recognize it.

Here's one you didn't know I was going to bring up, but it just, it's right here.

The Centers for Disease Control has a new leader.

And for the first time in more than 70 years, not a doctor.

does not need a medical degree to head the Centers for Disease Control.

Now, to be clear, Susan Monerez is a health scientist, but we had set the bar a little higher once upon a time in America.

Yeah, and we've still got Laura Loomer's crazy brain running personnel for the Trump administration.

We saw the top vaccine official at the FDA

step down this week because they got pressured out and there's a cost to this which is we're devaluing science, we're devaluing research, we're devaluing part of what made the United States the envy of the world when it comes to our intellectual capacity, intellectual property, the concepts and abilities that we created in this country.

And you know, the other night I was watching with terror

the fallout from this massive underwater earthquake near Russia as tsunamis were barreling towards Hawaii and the West Coast and just thinking, my God, all we can do is sort of hope that this is not as bad as it could be because the Trump administration has cut the National Weather Service and science and research.

There will be a cost to this.

Thank goodness.

The cost wasn't higher this past week.

But at some point, the bill for these kinds of choices is going to come due.

And whether that's in future measles outbreaks, whether that is deaths faster than they would have happened otherwise because of cuts to Medicaid, whether it is just a long-term loss of American competitiveness because we no longer value science and research,

This is one of the major through lines of the second Trump administration.

Pat Kreitlow

Let's talk for a second about how one of Trump's personal attorneys is now a federal judge with a lifetime appointment.

And but let me set it up this way.

A big part of the reason Donald Trump

got to where he is and where the MAGA folks are is they noted that the system is broken and they said, you know, this system is broken.

Let's do something different.

And far too many people defended a system that frankly is in need of fixing.

And I'm thinking specifically of what are known as blue slips, you know, where US senators weigh in on a, you know, a judges not a potential judges nomination.

And there are a lot of

antiquated, you know, arcane things that we find in Washington and that we find in Congress.

The problem that we keep finding out is that, well, yeah, the system might be bad, but if you don't fix it, then somebody else is just going to come along and destroy it.

And next thing you know, you got guys with a lifetime tenure to wreak havoc on the independence of America's judicial system.

This is one of the most disgusting things that happened this week was the confirmation of Emile Boeve to be on the Court of Appeals for the Third District.

There were three different whistleblower reports alleging very concerning behavior and decisions by Boeve at the Department of Justice in just the first six months.

Up to and including suggesting the Department of Justice should just disregard court orders.

And for Republicans like Chuck Grassley, who throughout his career, which is, I mean, half a century at this point, the guy makes Joe Biden look like a spring chicken, he has been a champion of whistleblowers and tried to strengthen protections for whistleblowers.

And rather than investigate these whistleblower reports, rather than take the time to get it right,

He just said, I don't care, I'm going to vote to confirm this guy, despite these concerns.

Ron Johnson voted to confirm this guy, who as a top Department of Justice official said in meetings, according to these whistleblower reports, we might have to tell the court, we don't think we have to follow what you decided.

That is deeply, deeply troubling.

And for Chuck Grassley to turn around 48 hours later, and

Why and about President Trump being mean to him because he might do away with the blue slip right like what are we doing here?

And so Not another great week for the long-term health of our democracy.

Pat Kreitlow

No, no, not a bit Time for one more and I like the way that you frame it redistricting fight club except, you know fight club You're not supposed to talk about fight club, but everybody's talking about the fight over redistricting

Yeah, so usually every 10 years this happens.

We take a census and then the states redraw their maps.

That's how this should work.

We have seen over the years an increase in the number of just straight gerrymandor plays and now we're seeing it basically halfway through a 10-year period where Republicans in Texas think they can essentially redraw themselves five more seats and make it harder for Democrats to win control.

So what you have in response to that is Illinois and California saying, well, if you do it, we're going to do it too.

And so it's a gerrymandering arms race to try and have politicians pick voters as opposed to voters picking politicians.

That is also not healthy for our democracy.

It is rank politics.

It is what people hate and they are right to be frustrated and buckle up, folks.

It's going to be.

It's going to stay crazy for a while.

Pat Kreitlow

It most certainly is.

And Joseph Peck is going to track it all for us here on Thursday mornings.

Thank you, Joe.

Appreciate it so much.

Have a good start to the weekend.

Talk to you next week.

Pat Kreitlow

Alrighty.

And thanks to all of you for being with us today.

Again, we've got a busy one tomorrow with Lieutenant Governor Sarah Rodriguez joining us, along with Dr. Kristen Lytley, Key of the Keel, our Week in Review panel, Mike Clemens with Sports and so much more.

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