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Well, hey there, Wisconsin.

Good morning.

It is 606 on this Friday morning, June 27th, 2025.

Another beautiful morning to have you here up north live from Lake Wissota from wherever you're listening across the Civic Media Radio Network or listening or watching us on all the other different platforms out there.

Thanks for starting your day and wrapping up your week right here.

Can you believe the 4th of July is just one week away?

Got a question for you.

Will Greg, will Greg Bach be surprised?

at what my sleep specialist told me yesterday.

After all, this is the guy who's been hounding me for the past couple of months to start using a CPAP machine.

But what did the sleep specialist say that I need to do?

We will get Greg's reaction when he comes around for today's history lesson in just under 45 minutes.

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Parker Olson standing by in Madison Studio A2.

Were you hearing all those bings just now as they came in?

No.

Okay, good.

I couldn't remember.

I don't know which ones come in my headphones and which ones came off the computer speaker and I thought, oh, that would be if you start hearing bing after bing after bing after bing.

Free ticket Friday,

baby.

They're coming in

hot.

Yes, they are.

Look at that go.

So anyway, how are you?

You got a weekend plan of Mallard's games, I would imagine.

Oh, yeah.

I've got game tonight, double header tomorrow, and I am going to sleep from roughly 12 to 12 on Sunday.

Well, that's a perfectly fine plan.

Yes.

So if people go to a Mallard's game, will they be able to see you?

What you're doing are you like way behind the scenes

or what?

You might spot me if if I'm on the so the first base and third base cameras are on the field Yeah, they're like kind of tucked next to the dugout so you'd be able to see me there probably If you happen to look up into the press box you can probably spot me if I'm on that camera Yeah, okay,

so

if you're thinking about coming down give me a wave.

Maybe I'll put you on

the video

board

Well, I mean anybody can wave at you can we find can we find a way that like a secret sign that if you wave at Parker a certain way and he waves back

take a look at your fingers.

Let's do the one, not the ring finger, but the one between the index finger and the ring finger.

If you wave that finger at Parker and he waves it back, then you'll know that was kind of like the secret sign.

It's like the secret show during the commercial breaks.

That's our secret sign is just give that give that special wave to Parker.

I'm sure all of my employee or all of my call workers would love that.

You know, all it takes is one.

If there's one listener that happens to catch that issue, or some poor fan is going to go around doing that special wave to like everybody working at the stadium, hoping somebody waves back at him.

Please don't do that.

Please don't do

that.

I have a friend that works for the Mowers and would get a real kick out of that, actually.

So we'd better not share

that.

uh hey along with texting us the keyword uh which again is park or uh did i not say that right oh tony we might have some listeners from boston the word is pa so there you go out of the park roger uh and steven's point puts on facebook it is national sunglasses day wear those shades it's also national onion day please don't cry

I know he's not talking about the funny newspaper here.

And Tony's now saying, I want to drive across the state to go to a Mallard's game right now.

I will see you tonight, Tony.

Yep.

It's just a short drive from Ashlyn to Madison.

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We've got somebody, somebody sent us a voicemail.

Somebody did send us.

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So we'll look forward to that busy day across the civic media radio network today, a busy day for up north news as well.

Let's see, coming up on civic media, the Maggie Dawn show at four o'clock, Jim Santel.

will be the guest host, Jim Santel, the guy that's going to be here later today.

But when he's guest hosting with Maggie Dawn at 430, he's going to be talking to another former U.S.

attorney, John Vaudrey.

So tune in to that for the the Maggie Dawn Show.

On our program today, we will have, of course, our Week in Review panel, which also includes Mark Jacob and Jennifer Schulze.

Jim Santel will take us through a flurry of U.S.

Supreme Court opinions being issued in the final days of the session, some of which really reaffirm how extreme the right wing justices are taking American law.

We'll also talk about how the Trump White House wants those pesky reporters to focus on the big boom boom of the bombs in Iran and not whether the big bombs actually did what they said they were going to do Coming up a little later this hour.

We're joined by courier newsrooms key of a keel We're gonna find out what's all the hype about the New York City mayor's race and the candidate who won this week's primary Zoran Mondani.

He is either a refreshing

breath of fresh air and authenticity, or he is a clear and present danger to Gotham City, depending on who you talk to.

We'll talk about how President Trump's big bloated boondoggle of a budget bill is unpopular with the public as we review new polling numbers from Marquette and from Quinnipiac.

And in our eight o'clock hour, Emily Cephos will join me and Dr. Kristen Lirely to talk about her new column at Dan Schaeffer's website, the Recombobulation Area,

which calls on Governor Tony Evers to use all the tools at his disposal to get a good state budget.

There's the bully pulpit.

There's the veto pen.

There's the trust of the people.

She and others want Governor Evers to define a standard that supports education, childcare, health care and more and veto a budget that falls short rather than trying to fix it with partial vetoes.

And so that's again is coming up in our eight o'clock hour.

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In the newsletter today includes a link to a website article called Fantastic Fourth of July Fireworks Shows Across Wisconsin.

It's a very nice rundown of fireworks shows across the state.

So again, you can get the link to it in the newsletter or head over to our website and look for it there.

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forget the WI and you'll find us that much easier.

And Selena Heller, once again, one of her annual duties in the city of Eau Claire is to help be a host for the Blue Angels and others when they come to town to do an air show.

And there's going to be an air show in Eau Claire this week.

So Selena has been with the Blue Angels.

I am roughly 10, 12 miles north of the Chippewa Valley Airport.

And so I don't exactly have a front row seat to the air show.

But it's not a bad seat.

You could just write out my window here, looking to the south.

You can just see all these jets, the Blue Angels and others, as they make their passes, they come way up here to turn around and then head back down toward the airport yesterday, even as the rain and thunderstorms were moving in.

It was super loud and it was overcast, so you couldn't see the planes.

So I thought, well, either the Blue Angels are in town or Iran has figured out a backdoor way to get here and we are in big trouble.

Thankfully, I knew the Blue Angels were in town, so it wasn't going to be that.

What are those

F16s?

I

don't know.

I would assume so.

Because and they definitely sound different than the F 35 to the newer ones.

That's what I was gonna say Yeah, right again, which I know folks in Madison are all too familiar with Alicia putting up on YouTube US Naval Aviation the best in the world just a little pride there and she notes FAA teens.

So thank you.

Thank you for that Tony's also very happy that Emily Cephos is coming in and Alicia notes.

I am so jealous.

So yeah, we're we've got a good slate that's coming up here today

along with that air show and, uh, and Celine always has a good time.

She, she, she did ask if I, she did say she could maybe hook me up with a ride along on like one of the, one of the plane, not the blue angels, but like one of the other planes there.

And I politely declined.

I might be the first media person to decline a media invitation for a ride like that, but I, there's no way.

That'd

be so cool.

For everybody else.

for everybody else.

I Pat,

can

you imagine doing a show live from a blue angel?

No, absolutely cannot.

I would pay to see you do that.

I would pay almost anything not to have to.

So, you know, we all have.

Yep.

So Tony says, that's a video for social.

You said no.

Yes.

And Alicia said, hey, I will take your seat.

A lot of other great people, worthy people.

I don't deserve it.

I don't deserve to.

you know, have people see this morning's sausage and eggs and hash browns all over the windshield of one of their nice little airplanes here.

So speaking of stuff that I had for breakfast and such, one more note on our website up north news wi.com.

The sporkies and the drinkies

The finalists have been announced for the 2025 Wisconsin State Fair.

And I don't know if you're are you familiar with the sporkies and the drinkies?

I am not, please.

It's a contest for the best new creative innovative foods, you know, food on a stick and

all the other different

ways to, well, here, I could actually call up the thing here and tell you about a couple of the finalists.

And anyway, this is a Wisconsin State Fair tradition.

So let's see.

There is the blueberry breakfast bratwurst from the Milwaukee Broad House It's a you singers blueberry infused brat inside a flapjack with sweet and smoky housemaid bourbon bacon jam Remember just yesterday.

We were talking about strawberry brats.

Yeah at the strawberry festival in Cedarburg, right?

Yeah, and on

top show yesterday.

He was doing what's worse brats or burgers

No,

okay.

Well,

so you can try the blueberry breakfast brought.

I guess.

Here's the hunkahunkah Elvis donut ice cream sandwich from Badger Bites.

It's a Greby's Bismarck donut stuffed with fat Elvis ice cream,

which

is banana ice cream, swirled with salty peanut butter ripple and chocolate chips topped with chocolate and peanut butter sauce, crispy bacon and powdered sugar.

Oh

boy.

Yeah,

there's Mexican street corn pizza.

There's a pepperoni pizza brought.

There's s'mores churro fries and and more.

And then the drinkies.

There's the dirty pancake from the Buzzy Badger.

It's root beer mixed with vanilla creamer and maple syrup, brown sugar and popping boba topped with whipped cream.

The straw is lined with mini pancakes.

Okay, and then there's the purple rain refresher from the rock and roll beer garden, a mix of Concorde grape juice, tart lemonade, grapefruit soda topped with edible glitter and pop rocks.

Pop rocks.

I

haven't had pop rocks in a minute.

Wow.

I know.

So many more to read up on.

So head over to UpNorthNewsWI.com and find out more about the finalists for the drinkies and the spore keys for the Wisconsin State Fair coming up real soon here.

All right, from the heart of America's Up North, live from Lake Wissota.

Thank you for making this the place to spend part of your Friday mornings.

I'm Pat Rightlow.

This is the Civic Media Radio Network.

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So kick back, relax, enjoy, and maybe even engage.

I love it.

There's our newest voice note.

which you can use the voice note feature on the Civic Media app, record us a message.

It could be a comment.

It could be a question.

It could be like that.

It could be introducing the segment, introduce the show, introduce the segment.

It doesn't even have to be me.

Maybe even

engage.

Maybe even a cage like that.

Maybe put a comment.

I don't know, maybe.

It could be introducing somebody else.

You could introduce Dr. Kristen Lyrely or Mike Clemens or somebody like that, Brittany Merleau, who's getting an early start to the weekend.

So hopefully we'll talk to her on Monday and hopefully she has a nice weekend.

Holy shit notes, that was awesome.

And Tony on YouTube, Pat Kratlow's on Engage.

Well, again, if you want to, if you care to engage, you can use that voice note feature on the Civic Media app.

We would love to hear from you in sports.

The Brewers were off yesterday.

They begin a three game series at home against the Colorado Rockies.

So that would be coming up.

Oh, look at me.

I forgot my start times on here.

I forget to put those in today.

It's the Colorado Rockies 7 10 would be the first pitch, which tells me that the pre the pre game is yesterday night 6 35 tonight on several civic media stations and the Milwaukee Bucks.

In the second round of the NBA draft, they had the 47th overall pick in the second round and they picked up Bogolub Markovic from Serbia.

Mike Clemens will have more to say about that.

Coming up around 8.30 here on these mornings powered by UpNorth News on the Civic Media Radio Network.

Let's check out some polling and I know I've mentioned a few times I'm not

a big polling fan when it comes to election time you know that horse race stuff I'd rather get into what do the candidates you know stand for what do they say and all that.

This is more about positions both the Marquette Law School poll and Quinnipiac University have done some polling on various issues that are out there.

Now I do know that

There's been talk about the 55% of respondents who say they don't want Governor Tony Evers to run for a third term.

But again, that's quite split by party among Democrats.

83% think he should run for a third term.

And frankly, Scott Walker had less Republican support for a third term back in 2018.

Now, two thirds of voters in the survey said marijuana should be made legal in Wisconsin.

That support typically has hovered in the mid 60% range.

There's also support for a good size tax cut in the budget, although I think this is interesting.

We usually talk about Wisconsin being divided in half, right and left.

What to do with the surplus is your classic were divided evenly into thirds.

I mean,

Seriously, like about one third each want to do one of three different things.

One third want nearly all of it returned through tax cuts.

Another one third, probably on the Democratic side, wanted very little in tax cuts, put it into schools and roads and things like that.

And then about a third of them wanted half and half.

So there you go with a $4 billion surplus again.

There's ways to get a win-win out of this.

The Joint Finance Committee is going to be meeting today in a marathon session.

And then it sounds like one house, maybe the assembly will try to pass the budget on Monday and the Senate on Tuesday, something like that.

Why are they suddenly...

Passing it.

Why are they suddenly interested because of that Supreme Court decision the other day that says Republicans can really micromanage some of the money they can create a slush fund in the joint finance committee to hide some of the money so Republicans are now in a hurry based on that court decision to pass a budget up to you know the way that they want it and Then the pressure goes on Governor Evers to either go along with it because there was enough compromise or to veto the whole thing if he can't fix it with partial vetoes

And, you know, my guess is that if he vetoes the whole thing, Republicans won't start over.

They'll say, fine, we just won't have a new budget at all.

The old budget will carry over, which I think has some political risks in it.

That's Wisconsin politics for you.

There is bipartisan interest in allowing citizens to bring forward ballot questions.

If you collect enough signatures on petitions, about half the states have that, but Wisconsin is not one of them where you can have a citizen led statewide referendum.

Two thirds support.

postpartum Medicaid expansion.

Again, two out of three people support expanding postpartum Medicaid coverage for new moms from 60 days to a full year.

Wisconsin is now one of only two states that doesn't do that.

Nearly 90% of people surveyed by the Marquette poll support banning cell phones in classrooms.

I can't believe that we're even still talking about this.

But yes, we are.

Meanwhile, over in the Quinnipiac poll,

There has been a real swing of public opinion when it comes to undocumented immigrants.

About six months ago, about 55% of voters said they supported giving most undocumented immigrants a pathway to legal status.

That has now shot up to nearly two-thirds of voters support giving undocumented immigrants a pathway to legal status as opposed to just deportation.

In other words, Americans have seen what the Trump administration is doing with secret police and raiding on people who have not violated the law at all and who are playing a role in society.

And this is what they think of it.

Trump's approval numbers are down as a result as well.

But here's the one that really gets me the most.

Given a list of nine issues and asked which is the most urgent one facing the country today,

The number one issue right now is preserving democracy in the United States.

Now all throughout last year, Democrats tried to say that and they were constantly told people do not care about democracy.

They care about inflation.

They care about healthcare.

Don't talk about preserving democracy.

It's a non-starter.

Now all of a sudden, people are interested in preserving democracy.

In other words, we told you so.

We told you that this was coming, that this is the clear and present danger that Donald Trump is posing and continues to prove it every single day.

I'm glad Americans are now paying attention and concerned about it.

Uh, we should have been this way last year.

A key of the keel is coming up next from courier newsroom.

And then don't forget nightlight with Pete Schwab tonight.

It's bar band Friday starting at six PM more after the Midwest farm report here on the civic media radio network.

Oh, it is a happy Friday when we get back into the routine here, which, of course, on Fridays kicks off with Courier Newsrooms, Keeva Keel, joining us from Los Angeles.

Keeva, hello.

How are you?

Hello, Pat.

I am well.

And, yeah, rested and not experiencing a heat wave like the rest of the country.

No, no, we already had our turn.

They're getting it out east and hopefully, you know, next weekend when we will not be talking next week because it'll be the 4th of July on Friday, but hopefully everybody has some good weather.

What does one do in Los Angeles on the 4th of July?

Do you have plans?

I don't know.

It tends to be one of those days where a lot of people go to the beach and do irresponsible things.

So I don't know that I'll join, but yeah, I'll probably just relax and have a good day and maybe barbecue.

All right, so from Los Angeles, let us start in New York City, because

as

we look at this week's national headlines, I have to admit, and you know me, I like to follow news, but there's been a lot of news lately, and I just have not paid attention to this New York City mayoral race, the first round of the primary that was this week.

So can you tell us about the person who may be the next mayor of New York City?

Yeah, so Zoran Mamdani is a 33-year-old state assemblyman in New York City who just won the Democratic primary for mayor's race.

Beating Andrew Cuomo, the famously corrupt, famously drummed out as governor after being accused of harassment by more than a dozen women, tried to do a comeback and ran a thoroughly uninspiring, thoroughly cynical campaign, whereas Zoran, who

I am ashamed to say is two weeks younger than me, ran a campaign that was honestly, I, this is going to sound hyperbolic, but the best campaign I've ever seen.

And he essentially was a no outside of like his district was no known to nobody in November, but you know, he launched, I think in December or January, but you know, he was the guy who right after the election, he

went out on the streets of New York and talked to voters who voted for Donald Trump and asked them why.

And in a curious way, not in a condescending way, he went and talked to a lot of voters who voted for Trump and AOC.

And the answer in most cases was affordability, because things are expensive.

And that's the case everywhere, not just in New York, but especially in New York.

And his campaign focused on one message.

It was on making New York a city that people who live there can afford.

And I think that relates, resonates with anyone across this country, whether in New York or LA or Wisconsin or Texas or Arkansas, things have gotten more expensive, whether it's your rent or your food or your healthcare, your kids' childcare, your groceries.

And he ran relentlessly focused on that message.

He ran on making public buses free.

He ran on free childcare.

He ran on helping small businesses avoid bureaucratic regulations like halal cards that have to pay $22,000 to get a permit.

And then he ran on like he is just a happy warrior and I'm that is not me personally But like he is just an overly positive guy who you can tell he also has gotten a ton of praise recently for his campaign videos and his social media presence and That is well-deserved praise, but it's because he's authentically himself they put out videos almost every single day for the past six months and you can only do that when you are really yourself and you're not scripted and you're just being a real human and

that really pays off and you believe him when he talks about the things he believes in and I don't think that's like he's obviously you know the the thing he's getting knocked on is he's a democratic socialist just like Bernie Sanders just like AOC and so you see a lot of you know corporate democrat types or centrist democrats being terrified of that.

But the lesson is not just, oh, go be a socialist.

It's also not go be a centrist.

It's go actually say things you believe in and stand for something and just campaign on that.

Don't be afraid of voters.

Don't be afraid of talking to them.

Don't hold up and not talk to media.

Zoran went everywhere.

He talked to everyone.

He was asked uncomfortable questions all the time and he answered them and he won.

I have mentioned on the program.

Previously that Milwaukee had, I believe three socialist mayors about a century ago described as sewer socialists

because

very practical.

What do we need to get done?

We need to fix the sewers.

They did it.

They ran on it.

They won.

They accomplished things.

Now I want to, I want to have a little fun with the history books here because you said something and I was going to, I was about to say this guy sure reminds me of somebody else.

When you said happy warrior.

Was it by design with somebody in mind from history?

It was not.

Happy Warrior was the nickname given to former vice president and Minnesota Senator Hubert Humphrey,

the guy

that basically inspired me to go into politics.

And even before you said Happy Warrior, I was about to invoke Hubert Humphrey's name because nobody knew him until he decided to hit the streets of Minneapolis and run for mayor.

He came out of nowhere, got to be mayor of Minneapolis, and then a national figure, a senator, a vice president.

So when you described Mom Donnie here as a happy warrior and everything that you said about him, I can see that there's, there can be some big things ahead of him.

But first, I do have to ask this question because we think of New York as, you know, blue and New York City as blue, but does the kind of division that we saw with the centrist Democrats and others,

Does that open the door for a Republican nominee, whoever that is, to come in and win?

So New York is funny in that it doesn't have a sore loser law, which means if you ran in the primary and lost, you can still run on another party's ticket.

So Andrew Cuomo, if he wanted to, he could run on some arbitrary third party ticket.

Eric Adams, who's the incumbent mayor who was

famously found to was under DOJ prosecution that then got dropped by the Trump administration.

He's running as an independent.

There is a Republican Gadfly candidate who runs every four years.

So yes, it could get kind of weird and messy if Cuomo runs, but he got thoroughly beaten by Mamdani and you're already seeing some of those hedge fund types say we're going to drop $100 million in and make sure Mamdani doesn't win.

I'm pretty, you know, I'm a cynic of politics and even I think it's a huge long shot that that's going to work.

And what we're really seeing right now is like, I don't think Mamdani means like socialism is suddenly in.

I think he means you have to just talk and I think there is, I think the thing is, is democratic based voters are so alienated from their leaders right now and feel so.

let down by them, that they want change and the people who are promising change, whether they are more moderate or more progressive, are going to win.

That's not to say that policy doesn't matter.

I absolutely think it does.

I think a lot of progressive policies are extremely popular.

I think free childcare would pull extraordinarily well in pretty much every state and district in this country.

And so I think it's it's not purely ideology.

It's not purely vibes.

It's both.

And if you can promise to be a change candidate and offer up good policies and be yourself, whether you're slightly more center left or whether you are a democratic socialist, I think you've got an opening next year in this year because people really want change and are disappointed in the in the elder party party members right now.

Yeah, very much.

So yes, authenticity.

It's it's rare and it's wonderful when it does show up.

Exactly.

Let's move down to the the mega bill.

I guess that's what the New York Times is calling it now, as opposed to the big bloated boondoggle or whatever else you want to call it.

But what came out of the house has to go to the Senate.

And what is in the Senate right now, we already knew the bill was going to change somehow.

But I think

few people understand who or what the Senate parliamentarian does, but the bottom line is there are these rules in the Senate, some are quite arcane, some are useful, and if the parliamentarian says these things have to come out of the bill if you want to skip the filibuster, these things have to come out of the bill, and it's not one or two things, it's some of the centerpieces of the Trump tax plan legislation.

Yeah and they are like really in the weeds policies on primarily around Medicaid and Medicare where they were trying to essentially you know remove there's a certain kind of tax that it's called a provider tax they were trying to restrict that tax which would have cost states money for Medicaid and then you know providers hospitals money that got ruled out they are trying to restrict immigrants

access to Medicaid and Medicare, those got ruled out.

They were trying to restrict certain other like tax credits for immigrants, those got ruled out.

There's a whole bunch of other things.

And that does not mean versions of that might not end up in the final bill, but the current versions in the bill texts were struck down by the parliamentarian.

The parliamentarian is kind of like a referee of the Senate who's like, yeah, you can do this.

No, you can't do that.

And so this is a person who's ruled, who's been in this role, Elizabeth McDonough for

as far as as long as I've been in Currier Newsroom, so six plus years.

And both parties trust her and respect her.

You know, it's kind of a weird arcane thing.

But, you know, she also struck down certain provisions of student loan repayment and student loan Pell Grant changes.

Oh, there's a whole bunch of immigration things she struck down.

So there's just a lot of like what this tells you is this bill was written in is just an absolute.

you know, mess and was written in a rush was written by people who don't know what the hell they're doing and who really don't care about Senate rules.

And that sounds like the house because that's the house.

And, you know, certain senators made some changes and clearly not good ones.

So we'll see some changes.

They'll still try to cut Medicaid by hundreds of billions of dollars because they apparently love to take health care away from people.

But that's where we are right now.

it's just funny that these are the same folks who were all over the Affordable Care Act for it being so big and unwieldy and everything that came through the Biden administration claiming it was big and unwieldy and yet all of those were so much more tightly written and made sense and again that's not to say they were perfect by any stretch but we've seen this before with in most recent memory it was during the past efforts to repeal and repaid

repeal and replace the Affordable Care Act and they would slap things together that just did not make sense.

So they're very good on the politics at election time but they're just lousy on the policy when it comes to putting things together it seems.

Well yeah and that's because ultimately at the end of the day their only real legislative priorities are tax cuts for corporations and billionaires and

boosted funding for ICE and Border Patrol.

Those are the only two things that are proactive changes.

The rest are cutting things.

It's taking Medicaid away from people.

It's taking food benefits away from people.

It's putting rural hospitals on the brink of closure.

And if this sounds like a cartoonish exaggeration, I understand that.

I assure you it's not.

This bill will devastate.

Rural hospitals will devastate millions of people on Medicaid.

I've been on Medicaid before most a lot of people have spent time on Medicaid It is a lifeline for people who are in between jobs who are you know have a really are maybe just starting out in their careers For the working poor it is for the disabled for seniors who my dad was on Medicaid before he passed like it covered his nursing home stay it's if you cut Medicaid you are essentially

resigning certain people to disease and possibly death.

And that's what this bill does.

And they're going to push forward on it.

And, you know, they might campaign on lowering costs come election season and pretend like they didn't cut Medicaid, but they're cutting Medicaid.

And then finally, from our sister outlet in New Hampshire is a story about former Massachusetts Senator Scott Brown.

The former Massachusetts Senator is running for Senate, right?

But but in

in New Hampshire, not in Massachusetts.

What?

Correct.

So Scott Brown, who famously broke the, you know, after Ted Kennedy died, won the special election, I believe 2009 or 2010, and served a short term before losing to Elizabeth Warren, he's now running in New Hampshire.

which, yes, it's close to Massachusetts, but it's a different state.

He's carpetbagging.

He's doing what Dr. Oz did.

He's doing what a whole lot of people do when they are rich and Republican and want power, which is they move to a different state that's easier to win or they think is easier to win and try to run for Senate.

And so, you know, we'll see if that works.

I would hope the voters of New Hampshire recognize that, you know, what this recognize it for what it is.

But, you know, you never know.

Sometimes this sort of thing.

It works out,

unfortunately.

They can always come talk to the voters of Wisconsin about Tim Michaels or Eric Hovde.

We can talk about people that wanted to come come into Wisconsin and go, well, I can't win in California or New York, so I'll try here.

It does does not always work.

Can you have a keel from Courier Newsroom?

Thank you so much.

Have a great start to the weekend.

Thank you.

You too.

We will have today's history lesson coming up next.

You're up north.

you

Hey, congratulations.

If you know what TV show this is from, you're old.

Welcome to today's history lesson where we salute Captain Kangaroo, Bob Kieschen, who was born this day in 1927, passed away in 2004, and Captain Kangaroo was how I started every morning as a little kid, aired on CBS for what felt like a million years.

Greg Bock is here as part of today's history lesson.

Mr. Bock, how are you?

I'm doing well Pat.

How are you this morning?

I'm fine.

Did you have Captain Kangaroo growing up yourself or a different kid show in the morning?

As Mr. Rogers kid.

That was

my show growing up.

I

love that show.

I love and I think we should do more about the again, early TV, the local morning shows.

You know, like in Eau Claire,

we had

Sheriff Bob, although I think his was an afternoon kid show.

And in the Twin Cities where I grew up, it was Clancy and Willie and Carmen the nurse.

I know there were children's characters on TV in Milwaukee, I'm sure in Green Bay and other places.

I don't remember the wrap up.

I don't remember there being a local one.

I did watch Bozo the clown when I was a kid, too.

And that was on WGN.

Oh, yeah.

Channel nine in the morning.

And now we get to Parker's generation that just gets news.

I had Bob the Builder.

Yeah.

Oh, okay.

Yeah.

Thomas.

And the thing is Parker has like, his generation has just too many to name.

I

know.

But Bob the

Builder, Thomas the Tank, Blues Clues.

It's just

go on.

It's a lot of but I mean, in terms of a local host, you know, on your local station, they don't have that the way that they used to.

On this day in 1956 at Master Recorders in Hollywood, Fats Domino sat down at a piano in that studio, did a remake of a Gene Autry tune, and made a little history.

And if it's your song originally, if you're Gene Autry and you hear this, you go, yeah, that song's not mine anymore.

It's

all

past domino.

I'll enjoy the check.

But I'll enjoy the check from the royalties.

That's exactly it.

Yes.

Happy birthday to country singer Lori Morgan.

She is 66 years old today.

Lori Morgan, 66 today.

Right in line with her six husbands throughout the course of her life so far.

Yeah.

She everybody talks about Tanya Tucker and what a what a party girl that she was.

Give Lori Morgan her due man.

No wallflower.

She figured it out.

She was born Loretta Lynn Morgan in Nashville.

That's amazing.

Happy birthday to Gabriella Wilson.

You know her as her.

You ever

hear I know you've heard me like during the Grammy Awards and things and I'll hear some of these winners and I'll go I should listen to some of these people more some of these young ins.

She's she's one of them.

Yeah, she's got great.

She puts her her's one of her puts out good stuff.

Now this one's a little a little awkward because it was

On this day that a guy named Nelly released his debut album Country Grammar again on this day in 2000.

It is one of the few rap albums to go diamond selling over 10 million copies and the thing that's kind of not awkward just kind of funny or coincidental isn't tonight the night that Nelly plays in concert after the Brewer's game.

I think so, yeah.

I think so.

Yes.

Oh, Chad Holmes mentioned that he's coming down to the game tonight.

And Chad Holmes isn't going to go to the Nellie concert.

I thought you were playing

this just because this is the night of the Nellie concert.

Well, no, it was 25 years ago that he released his debut album.

So there you go.

I know this is National Bingo Day, National Food Truck Day.

Sun Glasses Day, PTSD Awareness Day, and specifically for Greg and a few others.

Drive your Corvette to work day.

Yes, indeed.

Shall I drive my Friday Corvette, or should I be sassy and drive my Tuesday Corvette?

Right.

You've got a Corvette nowadays.

You're not driving it to work.

That's your little weekend ride, I guess.

All right.

Well, I guess enough drama here.

It's been a while that Greg has been noting my.

I alleged a diagnosis of sleep apnea.

I took a sleep test.

I had to wait two months to get in to see the sleep specialist and finally did that yesterday.

All this time you were thinking I have to get a CPAP machine and get on that thing.

I feel like Maury Povich, the results are in.

Drum roll please, Mr. Olsen.

Live from Hollywood.

The diagnosis is I have sleep apnea and I need to be on the CPAP machine.

Thank you.

Thank you very much.

It's like it's.

It's like

Ross or Rachel, will they?

Won't they?

Who knew?

Oh, they did.

OK, everybody figured it

out.

Yes.

Did

they tell you any information?

Are they going to put the order in for you?

What's the next

step?

put the order in.

And so I now have to go to a local respiratory business that I've seen advertised forever for like oxygen tanks and things like that.

And they

do CPAP machines and they're going to get you get me fitted and and everything else.

So I got a prescription for a CPAP machine and and yeah, I've been reaching out to friends who have them to say, tell me again that this is

This is going to be a good thing, right?

This is

going to be amazing thing.

Okay, first of all, we don't because I know we don't have much time left in this segment.

Is it over the, is it over the face or is it just nasal pillows?

Do you know

yet?

She made it sound like it was a mask thing.

She said it was pretty bad.

Okay.

All right.

Well,

I'm guaranteeing you right now, if you use it with regularity, now when I say regularity, I mean every day.

Yes.

Every day, you will notice a difference almost immediately.

You will be brighter, more awake.

The things that happened to you during the day, like, for me personally, like falling asleep during the day, like just falling asleep, stop tapping the next day.

See, and it is, and I truly mean this, and I want to say this on the air, it is your energy about this and your story that has

motivated me.

I may not have followed up on it if it weren't for you.

So thank

you, my friend.

Well, I'm glad that makes me happy.

All right.

Much more ahead in these next two hours of these mornings powered by Up North News on the Civic Media radio

network.

Live, across Wisconsin on Civic Media, you're listening to Mornings with Pat Craiglo powered by Up North News.

Now, for my Lake Mesota studio, here is the founding editor of Up North News, Pat Craiglo.

And good morning.

It is 7 0 6.

Nice to have you here up north on this Friday morning, June 27, 2025.

We've got Parker Olson standing by in Madison Studio A2.

Brittany Merlot is getting an early start to the weekend.

So I'll simply tell you to continue to monitor your local Civic Media station for your local forecast, which is going to include by and large drier conditions for now.

but then showers and thunderstorms will return either Saturday afternoon or Saturday evening, depending on where you are, and there is a severe threat that comes along with them.

So over the weekend, again, pay attention to your local Civic Media station for more details.

From the text line here from Jim in Brookfield, thanks for playing the theme for Captain Kangaroo.

Boy, does that take me back to happier times.

Thanks, Pam at WFHR.

OMG, I knew Captain Kangaroo right away, haven't heard it in years.

and also noted that she had Lori Morgan on WFHR several years ago for an interview.

And let's see, we've also got, of course, Robin Tigerton.

But again, look, I know it's a little awkward as you hear me sometimes like scrolling through things live.

It is a function, however, that more people are sending comments in on YouTube and Facebook.

I'm happy about that.

I will try to get to these comments a little faster, but I appreciate the buildup in volume from Rob.

Good morning from Tigerton.

Cloudy and fog in 62 degrees.

The Tigerton area picked up 1.3 inches of rain and we're starting to see ponds in farm fields.

Many farmers are having a tough time getting their hay crop off and hoping for a week free of rain to get the crop off because some don't have their first crop off.

Boy, I hope they do.

We should be well into second cutting of hay by now.

And again, the field right across the street from me is definitely overdue for that.

But we're going to need some dry conditions for a little while here up here in the Chippewa Valley at the rain gauge in the backyard here on Lake Wissota.

Two and three-quarter inches of rain since this all got started on Wednesday afternoon.

I'm thinking it's a little less down by you, Parker, but a lot more in parts like between, say, Madison and La Crosse.

Well, there is currently water in my basement.

Oh,

well, there you

go.

We think what happened was, I don't remember if I said this to you.

I think I might have just said it to Brittany after you had left yesterday.

We had a tree in our backyard that had to get cut down.

I heard that, yes.

So

that filled the gutters in the eavesdrops.

And we

didn't clean it out.

So

and

our basement tends to flood or not flood get a little water and we

have our own there.

So our basement flooded for years and years and it was such a hassle.

We finally had a big home project and did something about it.

But even now when it rains as much as it did the past two days, we still go down there nervously a couple times a day just to check and hope that we

never

have to wet back like that again.

So

During our history lesson last hour in our last segment, Greg Bach joined us and we talked about my seeing a sleep specialist yesterday getting on a CPAP machine.

Robin Tigerton says he's been on one since 2019 and it works.

So a lot of encouragement there and I'm not going to lie.

I got to my Google machine a few times over the past couple of months and have just been trying to

make sure that what people are telling me is, you know, true, that this is gonna make a real difference.

And again, there's exceptions to every rule.

There's always gonna be one or two people.

Oh, see, Pat Machine didn't work for me, it was terrible.

But I gotta say, by and large, the consensus is I better get on this thing.

And

sleep a lot better because again, ever since I got the Apple Watch and it sends the data to my phone and I look at my phone in the morning and I go, ooh.

It really should be.

I really should be sleeping better and I could use that.

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Can you go to the Brewers Rockies game on Sunday afternoon?

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You got a nice little cushion on there, you know?

That's what you need.

I don't like those hard seats.

You gotta get the cushion.

Oh, look, he's joined the old man club with me and Greg.

Yeah.

My Tukas can't handle these hard seats now.

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All right, feels good.

We can take care of that.

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There will be more chances to win throughout the course of the day on this free ticket Friday across the Civic Media radio network.

Hey, next week on the program on Monday, we're going to have Jeff Mandel from Law Forward.

We will talk about the group suing Elon Musk as a way to try to prevent billionaire bribery of voters or

at least the skirting of the rules on bribery.

Also, Hans Breitenmoser will join us on Tuesday, so we are really hoping that he gets drier conditions between now and then, and that we can have some good news to pass along from rural Wisconsin.

We're also going to talk next week with State Representative Angela Stroud from up in the Ashland Bayfield Superior Region, way up north.

And she's going to talk about a bill that she had to vote against, which

was supposedly going to address lead water pipe removal in superior.

We always talk about it in the Milwaukee area, but as as Earl Ingram and others have told us repeatedly, this is still a problem in many other places across Wisconsin, not just Milwaukee and superior is one of them.

Unfortunately, the bill that Republicans put forward put a huge chunk of the cost on taxpayers and essentially

the private utility up there was taken off the hook for being responsible for any of the cost of replacing the lead lines.

And so Representative Angela Stroud said, you know, she had to vote against that.

That's that's not a fair deal and that there's still ways to negotiate the fair deal.

So we're going to talk to her about that next week when she's on the program.

And I regret to inform you that next Thursday show will feature birthday cake and far too many candles.

But it's, you know, it's one of those rites of passage.

I saw a cartoon the other day that said, we got to stop calling it years.

We got to call it levels, like a video game.

Because next week, if I tell people I'm at level 61, I mean, that's going to be like, oh, look at this guy's good.

That does sound better.

Yeah, not this guy's old, you know.

Here's Tony saying, ah, the real up north.

Yes, Ashland is the real up north.

When we do that define up north and you know, some people go with highway 29 and some people go with highway 10.

A lot of people go with highway eight and Tony's one of those that goes with highway two, which is not quite fair.

It's all

relative.

Yeah, there's a lot of space over there and Alicia says, oh, that's right.

Your birthday is the day after mine.

We got a birthday week next week.

Consider it.

date.

A lot to tell you about as far as what you can find across the Civic Media radio network and what you can find on Up North News.

So let me mention that on the Todd Alba show today, you can catch it from two until four.

He has his own weekend review guest, Peter Rapine from eBombs World.

We'll be joining him around 330.

And then Matt Nair on air today.

Dan Schaefer is the guest right after the news at 10 a.m.

Meanwhile over at Up North News the Blue Angels are in town at the Chippewa Valley Regional Airport for an air show this weekend and Selena Heller covers them every year and actually is part of the

the local support crew, I guess you could call it there, working at the air show.

And so Selena will be joining us on Monday morning to talk about all the fun, but you can see some of her photos of the Blue Angels arrival and others getting ready for the air show.

Just head over to our social media sites, search for Up North News WI, if you haven't been on those at all, or at Up North News on TikTok, where we put videos as well.

Also on the website, there are some fantastic 4th of July fireworks shows all across Wisconsin.

And we've got a website article and a link in our newsletter linking you to said article to find out more about the fireworks shows that you can find.

And we also covered in our last hour as well.

But you should know that if you attend the Wisconsin State Fair

You know that they have special awards for some of the newest, most creative foods and drinks.

They are the Sporkies and the Drinkies.

two different types of awards given out at the Wisconsin State Fair and they have announced the finalists for the sporkies and the drinkies so that you have an opportunity to sample them at the Wisconsin State Fair when that gets going in West Dallas.

We're going to have Mike Clemens on at about 830 to wrap up sports throughout the week here.

We can tell you that the Milwaukee Bucks in the second round of the NBA Draft last night used the 47th overall pick to pick up a Bogolub Markovic from Serbia.

And that is the extent of what I know about Bogolub Markovic from Serbia until Mike Clemens gets here.

Unless Parker, you've got some other inside information I'm not aware

of.

I'm afraid I don't.

However, I do appreciate that.

acknowledging like, yeah, you didn't play college in the US.

I don't got a clue.

Yeah, I got I got nothing.

We did not he was not part of any anybody's NCAA brackets.

That's just how it works.

The Milwaukee Brewers were off yesterday, but they continue their home stand with three games against the Colorado Rockies starting tonight against the Rockies.

The pregame will begin at 635 on Civic Media stations in Racine, Kenosha Park Falls, Hayward and Richland Center head over to

the civic media website civicmedia.us to learn much more.

I mentioned in the last hour and I'll just pass along briefly here and then we're going to have a local break and we're going to talk to our weekend review panel as well.

But I do like the way that

Dan Schaefer framed the new Marquette poll because it talked about a lot of different issues.

Now, again, it's not election time.

So this wasn't any kind of candidate polling or anything like that.

It was just about various issues, some that the legislature is considering right now, some things that are before Congress.

There are things like, you know, Medicaid expansion for new moms and things like that.

And here's here's how Dan Schaefer put it.

In a deeply polarized 50-50 state, which issues do more than 65% of Wisconsin voters agree on?

Again, here's the question.

In this deeply polarized 50-50 state, which issues do more than 65% of Wisconsin voters agree on?

And his answer, it's almost all that are policies that are backed by Democrats, such as Medicaid for new moms,

66% favor legislation that would extend coverage for Medicaid for new moms to a full year after giving birth.

There's marijuana legalization, 67%.

Say marijuana should be legalized, including by the way, 44% of Republicans and 79% of independents.

And then there's increased special education funding.

71% of voters say they would favor a major increase in state aid for special education funding for public schools.

There's mental health services in schools.

75% of voters favor a proposal to provide comprehensive mental health services in schools statewide.

To this point, Republicans in the legislature not only did not go along with Governor Evers' proposed increase, but have proposed decreases in mental health services.

Allowing citizen-led ballot initiatives, 77% of voters say Wisconsin should adopt a citizens initiative to put

Issues on the ballot so again on all of the top issues when you look just at issues not candidates not party labels anything like that

You see where folks are.

It's just a matter of trying to remind them who is on their side on the ballot when it comes to these issues.

A local update is next for some of you and in 15 minutes when we're all back together, we will continue with our week in review panel from the heart of America's up north live from Lake Wissota.

Thanks for making this the place to spend part of your mornings.

I'm Pat Krightlow.

This is the Civic Media Radio Network.

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She also does a Saturday sports edition and then on Sundays I put together one that is politics themed.

Usually I have it mostly written by now and then put some finishing touches on it and it goes out at about 6 a.m.

on Sunday morning.

However,

Now that the state supreme court has made its ruling on the governor's veto powers Republicans are now

getting going on writing the budget.

And so the Joint Finance Committee is going to be meeting today, probably all day, to go through as much of the budget as they can.

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Let's bring in journalist Mark Jacob and Jennifer Scholesian, former U.S.

Attorney Jim Santel as we get going with a little

Look at the week's news.

Only a few little things have happened since, you know, we, we last spoke, you know, attacks in Iran and 7000 US Supreme Court decisions and so much more panel.

Good to see you all.

And I think, Jim, I think we're going to have to start with you because there's a lot that the Supreme Court is putting out there because they're at the end of their term.

And what, what say we start with the Medicaid related one out of South Carolina as it relates to Planned Parenthood.

And again, Republicans and conservatives finding ways to get the courts to what lock in a very right wing view of covering healthcare for, for women and for all people in this country.

That's exactly right yesterday.

It's a huge opinion.

having to do not only with Medicaid, but of course, abortion reproductive rights generally.

You've got a governor there way back in 2018 said that because abortion is murder and it cannot stand in America of this century, he said that for those people, those entities that are benefiting from Medicaid in this time, that the reality is that we're no longer going to offer Medicaid support and services.

and eliminated that, went up to the Supreme Court.

The Supreme Court said yes, that under a provider provision of the Medicaid rules and laws and structures there, that the state can do just that.

And again, it basically prohibits now the provision of Medicaid services and funding for patients of Planned Parenthood in South Carolina.

The concern, of course, it can very easily move into other states as well because the

Uh, ruling is plainly nationwide.

Yeah.

And I mean, Mark, a point that I made, uh, this week is that for a party that loves to talk about, we're going to get rid of red tape.

We're going to get rid of red tape.

When they want to, they can wrap red tape around almost anything to, you know, give you more hoops to jump through if you want Medicaid coverage, or maybe just use the court system to, you know, make sure that Medicaid can't cover you.

So, you know, for all the talk about red tape, they, they know how to use it.

And not just pretend to cut it.

Well, right.

I mean, it's really ridiculous that they claim that states rights is a big thing and that local control is a big thing when we see what's going on.

We see, you know, the Marines in Los Angeles.

We see, you know, right now they're they're trying to get the University of Virginia to fire.

it's their president because of supposedly because of DEI so I mean just the long hand of the federal government is getting longer and longer every day and it's if this is not you know the old simplistic way of looking at it was that Republicans wanted government out of your life well that's not the case now.

No, they're more than happy to be involved deeply in people's lives and exam rooms and things like that.

More big decisions yet to come, Jim.

What are you looking to think we might, you think we might see some today?

Yes, the Chief Justice has told us that this is their last official day.

They don't completely go out of business, obviously, but he's announced that there are six more opinions and these are the big ticket items.

Not that there haven't been other ones recently that are equally important, but among them is the issue relating to birthright citizenship.

That one may well depend a whole lot more on whether or not federal judges can impose nationwide or universal injunctions.

interesting situation there, not only under the 14th Amendment, but more broadly.

Other cases out there, there's an Obamacare challenge once again that goes to preventive medicine, whether the task forces that decide whether or not insurance companies are obliged to provide preventive services for, oh, I don't know, things like cancer screenings.

and other things that keep us healthier and safer.

Whether those things can stand, that's huge.

There's an issue related to whether parents can insist that their young grade school children not be exposed to LGBT storybooks in public schools.

And then there's also a matter involving internet and access to adult sites.

Finally, there's also a major decision involving race and gerrymandering and districting that will also redefine at least somewhat.

the interplay between politics and racial decisions when it comes to drawing those lines.

Lots of things on the docket probably all announced in the next couple of hours.

And Jennifer, from the challenge in a newsroom, we always talk about, you know, the Trump theory of just complete chaos and then you can't cover everything.

Newsrooms should already be practiced about this because every year it seems we go through this with the Supreme Court.

You've got to spin a bunch of plates at once.

Jim knows the answer to this better than I do, but six decisions on the last day of the session seems unusual.

And almost all of them are lead story type things.

So I think this is going to be a particularly challenging day, not to mention all of the other tons of just Trump related news that's going to be happening.

But I mean, the 14th Amendment, if they make a decision on that,

That's, you know, weeks of

news.

Oh, my goodness.

We'll have so much more to say about that if it comes down that way.

Coming up next, we're going to have much more with our panel.

And then in our next hour, Dr. Kristen Lyrely and Emily Sefos will talk about pressure on Governor Evers to veto the state budget bill if it does not meet certain standards for education, health care, child care, and more.

I'm Pat Crightlow.

This is the Civic Media Radio Network.

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Up North News is part of Courier Newsroom and if you head over to couriernewsroom.com all kinds of news articles, videos, podcasts, newsletters.

For example, there is How Is This Better?

a new video series with Akilah Hughes This Week Erasing Jackie Robinson.

Jackie Robinson broke barriers on the baseball field, but his legacy off the field is under attack.

And so Akilah explores how the Trump administration is trying to rewrite history in its crusade against diversity, equity and inclusion, and why it's important to defend.

history and what those DEI efforts are designed to achieve.

Also at Courier Newsroom you can get the newsletter from Mark Jacob.

It's called Stop the Presses.

You can also get it at stopthepresses.news.

He also has a video series with Stephen Beschloss called On Target and this week in the video series it's about pushing back against gaslighting when going to war

which includes refusing to reflexively accept going to war without facts, which Mark takes us to the Secretary of Defense, Pete Hagseth, who would really like those pesky reporters to just focus on the bombs going boom, not whether the bombs actually did the thing that they said they wanted to do.

Yeah, you know, there's in history, there's a long what this

the long record of governments lying about war.

It's one of the things that is most often that governments lie about.

Then you combine that with the Trump regime which you know lies about everything and it's a really kind of a nasty combination in which you can't trust anything.

So you have this declaration from Trump that

Iranian nukes were obliterated, you know, which is, you know, within, you know, minutes of the bombing, which there's no way that you'd be able to have that determined.

But he said it anyway.

And so they, you know, they're sticking with it.

And then you get this report.

And the New York Times and various other places Fox News even it that said the preliminary Determination was that it might have set them back a few months, but not you know really a long time and that Enraged, you know Pete Hegseth and and Trump and Hegseth said that they shouldn't report that now this makes no sense to say that That this is a preliminary report.

You shouldn't talk about this when Trump immediately said that the whole thing was destroyed so

Trump's word is fine.

Everyone else's is not.

He even said that the press ought to be waving the flag.

That's what he said.

Of course.

It gets worse, Jennifer, with the president's lawyer threatening to sue CNN over its coverage of the intelligence report.

At least the media's pushing back on this one.

And threatening to sue the New York Times also.

Right.

It says, it reminds me of what they're doing to CBS.

They're demanding an apology.

They're claiming that the coverage is unpatriotic and that the coverage is causing Trump harm.

You remember with CBS.

The claim is that CBS engaged in some questionable editing of an interview, they didn't, but that doing that caused Trump harm.

And so CBS should pay Trump $20 million, which it looks like they might be doing, by the way.

The Wall Street Journal is reporting that that settlement looks like it's moving forward.

And now it's the same playbook.

He, his lawyer sent letters to CNN and the New York Times yesterday.

I don't know if other news outlets got them as well, but those two news organizations have been out in front on this preliminary assessment that Mark was talking about and both fired back.

The New York Times wrote, no attraction is needed.

No apology will be forthcoming.

We told the truth to the best of our ability, and we will continue to do so.

And that's great.

That's what the press should be doing.

But let's be very clear about it.

Trump is censoring, trying to censor actual news and creating a narrative that if you step outside of those boundaries, they're going to come after you.

And that is, oh my god, that is...

frightening.

It's really stunning to see it happening day after day.

Well, to want to, again, require patriotic reporting.

If only I had a lawyer to talk to about this.

Oh, wait, Jim Santel.

Is there some kind of a reason that a lawsuit would go forward for quote, unpatriotic reporting?

There is none.

But as Jennifer and Mark and you have said repeatedly, that doesn't stop lawyers on behalf of this president from going into court.

It is one of the joys, if you will, of our society that you can walk into a clerk reports office and file a complaint that says virtually anything.

So you can sue the question, which is implicit in what you just asked Mark and Jennifer and Pat is, will that stand up?

The answer is no, we've got New York Times versus Sullivan.

And basically it says that in order to be successful against the media, kind of have a very high standard.

And others recently have tested this, the Supreme Court

continues to endorse that theory.

You've got to show actual malice.

You've got to know about what you're doing and doing it for a very bad purpose.

That is appropriate.

We have a high standard and appropriate standard for First Amendment protections in this country.

This will go nowhere.

But once again, like all these other lawsuits, again, challenging people who are pushing back against his president, the idea is not winning.

It's grabbing the headline.

and saying, look at what has happened, bad media, it feeds once again this notion that the press is the enemy in America.

It may well be that in five months, the cases be dismissed.

That will be on page seven.

But today, we are announcing how aggressively we're going after these bad people were advancing the First Amendment in America.

Yeah, but Jim, well, not necessarily go anywhere in court.

But at the same time, when Trump holds these other things against like CBS, for example, their the FCC is holding up a merger that they have planned.

And so so in effect, it's an extortion scheme, you know, that they have to settle with with the government in order to get their their business to run.

So it's so they ended up losing in court or a potentially losing in court.

But that doesn't matter.

It absolutely is.

And it is a

misuse and abuse once again of the judicial system to get this inappropriate result.

It's again to threaten you in the public domain.

I am consistently stunned as the two or three of you have been also that folks like CBS and others are seriously saying we'll pay off this huge amount, any amount of money.

Let's go to court.

You bring this lawsuit.

bring it, let's go to trial next week.

And why it is that intelligent lawyers in New York, other places are not saying that is befuddling to me.

We should note that along with hosting amicus, a law review for two hours on Saturday mornings, we've got an extra two hours of Jim Santel coming up this afternoon, guest hosting the Maggie Dawn show.

And you're going to be joined by a colleague and other former US Attorney, John Vodray.

That's exactly right.

We're going to chat about

Frankly, an old issue, new again, which is whether or not that 2020 election was stolen.

Believe it or not, John, is out there advocating against those folks who pursue that.

And we're going to have a good conversation with that.

And probably also this other amazing story, a fellow named Emile Beauvais inside the Department of Justice, highest levels, who is apparently telling Department of Justice lawyers that they can tell federal judges no, and they can tell them something even more dramatic, which I will not repeat on morning radio.

And he is also headed for what it's worth to a lifetime appointment on the third circuit Court of Appeals on behalf of this president and frankly, but going to be confirmed by the United States Senate fairly soon.

All stunning information we'll be talking about this afternoon.

A lot to cover here from four until six.

Mark, in terms of coverage this week of things, you know, one thing that you've taken note of and I certainly have as well is there there been there was so much.

I mean,

Joe Biden couldn't turn left instead of right and not be accused of cognitive decline.

And yet, what we've seen this week in terms of the claims about Iran and the crude language the president used at one point this week, I mean, again, there's that standard.

If Joe Biden had done any one of these things, it would be, is he okay?

And I'm still not seeing any mainstream outlets saying, is this guy okay?

Because he's not okay.

No, the guy like drops an F-bomb on, you know, on live video, you know, when he's talking to reporters, it's crazy.

And the thing that drives me nuts is that, you know, just, you know, Obama orders mustard on his, you know, his sandwich, and it's a big deal, or he get, or he wears a tan suit.

I mean, the standards have changed so much.

And it really means that I think it says that all these nitpicky criticisms of Democrats in the past were just that, you know, that they were.

that the right wing did not have any high standards for conduct by its politicians.

They only wanted to nitpick on the other party because they're letting Trump get away with, he's also incoherent a lot.

And he also just flat out lies.

He said yesterday that they weren't changing Medicaid at all.

He said they weren't, he said flat out that they were not changing Medicaid at all, which is just a patently lie.

I mean, just, it couldn't be more of a lie.

Jennifer, when the things that he's getting out there that other outlets are either not giving him a pass on, but they're also picking up on some things.

For example, the phrase big beautiful bill.

which again, he knows marketing and he knows that if you're saying big, beautiful bill, you're perpetuating it.

Now, some of us have taken that in another direction and had a play on words for it, but there are still newsrooms out there that will just simply take whatever is given them, in this case, big, beautiful bill, and run

with it.

And I get that that's, I mean, what was Joe Biden's?

It was build back better, you know, originally.

It just feels like reporters need to reclaim, you know, the narrative of just call it.

the president's legislative agenda, you know, or something like that.