God’s Outlaw tells “Tales of the Hardway” on Live from the Madcity on Max Ink Radio

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Big Brian Smith and E-Man Eric Bulgren used to lead a double life working day jobs in Milwaukee

and blazing with their hard rock band double life at night. E-Man on guitar and Brian on vocals

loud and heavy and just after the turn of the century that's the year 2000 for those of you who

have forgotten and then a cassette to purchase at a garage sale got stuck in his truck. It was a

classic country artist like Wayland Jennings, Boxcar Willie and Johnny Cash. Well, it spoke a new

language to Brian's soul and the language of God's outlaw. Here in the studio tonight to play

songs from their new album Tales of the Hardway, Big Brian Smith on vocals and acoustic guitar on

electric and slide guitar is E-Man Eric Bulgren and an upright bass Jason Saw Boss Clause.

How are you guys doing tonight? Doing amazing. This is an amazing town to be mad town and having a good

time. Had a chance to walk around a little bit. Yeah, where did you guys go eat after Soundcheck?

Where you suggested which place was that at? Paul. I'm not going to

Paul. The Russian Dumpling. And the full order. The full order. The works. They are good,

isn't it? It's great. You know what? It's great to go there after a show or some late night.

You know, last thing before you go home. Oh, Brian, you're passion for the creation of God's outlaw.

Before we talk about the band, let's get to know your band dudes. I mean, how did you get started

playing music? What was your backstory? Well, believe it or not, we inherited my grandmother's

player piano from her saloon. She used to own a saloon. Really? Yep. So we inherited the player

piano and all the scrolls that came with it. And I learned to sing at a young age of eight,

nine, ten playing on those pedal and the you know, the player piano and singing to the scrolls

songs like Candy Man and Aquarius and, you know, the entertainer and all kinds of good stuff like

that and the classics. Yep. Wow. All the way up to the 80s. I think like 83, I want to say they

discontinued the making scrolls for the player piano. And I think the last one I remember getting

was the gambler singing the gambler on the player piano. He recalled he had no one to hold them.

Yeah. Sure. That's funny. The player piano. Oh, you had to pump it with your feet.

Yeah. You pumped it. It was a pedal. Yeah. It was realistically. You had to pump it and you

put a paper scroll in this piano and you would pedal away and the lyrics are right there. You

know, kind of like like the paper was cut out. Like, you know, as you can imagine, like a

jewelry box or whatever. And yeah, well, that's how I started to sing to be honest is right there

on that player piano. And did you also take any piano lessons or learn piano? Or was it? I took

piano lessons for a month, but what ended up happened is my mind was paying like $40 for

the lessons. And the piano teacher would play the songs in front of me. And I would play him

right after her and she'd be a no brine. Look at the notes. Don't look at your hands. Look at

the notes. I'm like, well, I already know the song. You just played it in front of me. I just

somehow was able to just play by ear and pick them really fast. Oh, wow. So yeah, she told my

mom that I was unteachable and I got kicked out of class. Unteachable. Wow. That's pretty crazy.

Did you play any other instruments before before you, you know, we'll talk about when you learn

guitar. No, really, just the piano, you know, and now you're not from the watch. I mean, you guys

are from Milwaukee, but you, you, jeez, you're a Lions fan, right? So where are you from? Yeah, I'm

kind of a nut. I'm from all over. So I get along with everybody. Born in Ray, born in Pittsburgh,

raised in Detroit, lived in Chicago, lived in Texas for a while, and then moved back to Detroit,

and then ended up back here in Milwaukee when I was got out of the military. So mom moved here

to Milwaukee and I felt it was a good idea to come here. Oh, that's nice. And then I had another

military friend that just happened to live in Milwaukee. So I was able to hang out with my mom,

and then I had like a local friend. Now the military that actually lived here I can hang out with.

So it was because of Air Force and boxing, right? Boxing was a big part of your life as well.

Yeah, I was in the United States Air Force. I was a F-15 crew chief, which is like a NASCAR

crew chief. Yeah, right. I had my name on the side of the F-15. Really? Yeah, Desert Shield,

Desert Storm. That's another story, but yeah. And when you met E-man, right? And it started

double life. How do you mean E-man? Well, I'm at him through a local friend who just happened to be

looking, he was a Mason, and he just happened to be looking for somebody to practice in his basement.

He built the stage in his basement, and wow, and through my military friend who met him first,

I get introduced to E-man in the basement of this gentleman's house who just wanted a live band

to play there. He wasn't freaky or nothing. He was just a real audio file. But he wasn't in the band?

No, he just wanted to sit down. He had to hit all the gear there and everything. You can't imagine

how crazy it is to be blessed like that. That does sound crazy. Doesn't happen often. No.

Yeah, I mean, you know, I was thinking back when I met you, delivering papers, maxing maximum

make music magazine out there in the body. And then your band double life came out here to

Madison to play. I think that was bomb blast to get 2003 at the annex. Yes. Oh, double life.

Double life. Well, let's get to some live music from the Mad City with God's outlaw presented by

the Aaron Weber group. The first song that you have for us tonight is from your new album Tales

of the Hardway. And it's called Like a Beast. We've been playing this song. Is this a song about the

legendary metal band Wasp? No. No. Oh, darn it. What's this song about? Tell us about it before you play.

Um, it's just more about living your life to the fullest like a beast. Not, you know, letting

anything hold your back. And, uh, you know, going right into it, you know, going right into the

storm. Wow. Pretty cool. Well, let's check it out. This is God's outlaw. Like a beast. You're

listening to Maxine Crenio. We are local music. One, two, three, four.

Right in with the buffalo's waiting in the room. Looking for a place to call their home.

Wanderin' around for days and days ain't nothing gonna change their ways.

Same as me with the guitar on a curse. Cheesin' down a song worse and worse, down a town in a

smoke filled blurred. Just a shadow at a night ain't got nowhere to win. Did house a mourn for sound

like the stories that are shattered upon the ground. Like a beast I'm built for the trail of the scene.

No, that's just holdin' in this wild part of me.

It's restless, hurt be my only drum. Breathe them wild till I get home.

Buffalo's stampede of thunder in the night. I'll keep on roaming till I see the light.

Lead boy's stocked. Size on the plane. Grassy valley washing out the fame.

Settled down a circle in the dust of the peace. In something make a truss.

With me, I watched him with a hollow in my chest. My heart's not settling.

Though in it house a mourn for sound like the stories that are shattered upon the ground.

Like a beast I'm built for the trail of the scene. No, that's just holdin' in this wild part of me.

Buffalo and I will understand. No restless, hurtin' under giving land.

Each hook beat that goes memory and sings.

I'm trooking promises in the songs I've never seen.

We're here with God's Allah on live from the man city on maxing radio. That was like a beast.

And that one tune was a beast. That was great. You love it in the whole made sound effects.

Yeah, very expensive.

Hey, you know, it's good to forward him.

Studio magic is cool, but if you can't do it live, hey, we're going to do our best.

Guitarist Eric Bogren, a man coding by day and picking like Luther Perkins at night.

How did you get started playing music? What's your backstory?

I'd say I have to attribute that to my family. I got four, three brothers, one sister.

My sister plays played and still does play guitar. So that's probably where the guitar came from,

but we had a small house, so I had a room with my other brother. He played drums.

Yeah. So if you've ever lived with the drummer before, they're tapping on

right thing pretty much 20 hours a day. Even when they sleep.

Right. That foot's still gone.

So it's probably where I got some of the rhythm from.

And my mom used to have a thing in my house where if you're doing any sort of chore,

you got to play your own music in the background. So my mom, she did most of the chores.

So she got to play all her own violin, Johnny Cash, Merle Hagard records.

Oh, where did your love for heavy music come in?

Probably my rebelliousness attitude, right?

Are you belly and against that wailing and willy at a younger age?

I can see that.

Yeah. It's not weird. I mean, when we were kids, you're a Haiti country, right?

Right. And then also you got older.

And then a different country came in, you're like, well, you know, that other country is pretty good.

Yeah. Yeah. That's how it works, right?

Yeah. But yeah. So my favorite band growing up was Metallica, seeing them eight times.

Wow.

And one of them was just a few years ago. But yeah, I think, and I think that does have an influence

on our music today. You know, we got sort of the old country thing going, but definitely

sprinkled with a lot of that 90s rock. Now grunge.

Did you play other instruments besides guitar?

Yeah. I learned on saxophone saxophone and clarinet.

Still on saxophone represent over here.

That's awesome. Awesome.

So that too in my basement.

How did you come by horns? Was it like your mom picked it for you?

Did you pick that?

It was in school.

Yeah. So yeah, I went in school, joined band right away.

We already got a bass player.

You got to play sax, right?

It never happens that way.

And how did you meet Brian and come to being his band double life?

We're not here, you're a person.

Yeah. So it's, there's a lot of overlap there.

So I was in UW-Mawaki and is in calculus class.

And I met his mutual friend, you know, and we had this mutual friend that we didn't know.

So I know he and before I knew Brian.

And, you know, outside of talking about integrals and derivatives.

I was in the band at the time.

I was kind of in more alternative band.

And he was in the band. He was telling me about this great place they have that the practice space

in this basement that this generous guy built the stage for.

And how awesome the band was.

Never really told me the real story about the old bass player.

Still haven't found that out.

So I could tell you, but then, you know, it's that.

So yeah, I decided to meet up.

Um, this is exactly like I said,

Joval to his walkie-show and this, this resident, you know, his residential house out in the, on the hill.

And, uh, you know, that's just where we started playing music.

And the whole whole freaking stage set up in this basement.

Yeah, fire place and everything records on the wall.

It was like the perfect practice spot.

Did you guys invite a lot of people over there to check out practices?

It wasn't our place.

Yeah, we're respectful on that.

Yeah, we were playing there for free, you know, like we had a practice spot.

Yeah. Now, Erica, who are your guitar influences?

I mean, I mentioned Luther Perkins.

Who is Luther Perkins?

That was a drummer with a guitar player for Johnny Cash.

And he is also one of the reasons why on all our bed mattresses, we have that little flammable

that flame resistant tag on there, right?

He was, he was a very big influence back then.

Pretty much, uh, created the boom chick sound.

Are you going to the opera house this year to see Marty Stewart?

Well, I just saw Marty Stewart a few months ago in Brookfield and why was that good?

That guy can put on a show.

And if you get a chance to see him at Staten Opera House,

yeah, because that place is beautiful and his band is spectacular.

I think it might be sold out, but

I'm always too late when I hear about it.

It sells out quick.

Now, you know, it was funny, Eric, because when you showed up,

you know, both these guys have big, burly beers, right?

And Eric, you've been always the clean face guy.

I was going to say, you're ever going to grow beer to that first thing I see.

And now you've got a beer.

So you're the bearded band.

But I won't call you as easy top.

Brian, your dog razor, your grandpa and a garage sale and a cassette tape

that got stuck in your truck's player.

Change your musical direction.

Tell us about how your passion for Outlaw Country came to be.

Well, um, traveling to Jersey from Pittsburgh, living in Detroit in Chicago,

we go to my grandma's.

They live in Pittsburgh and then we drive from Pittsburgh to Jersey or Maryland for vacation.

And I would always jump in my grandpa's car and he would always play

kind of a Tweety box car wheelie, Johnny Cash, all that stuff.

And that's what he played.

And so I just, you know, and I was not getting yelled at by my parents.

I was with my grandpa and grandma.

So that was always just kind of engraved in my mind.

And even though I did the rock band thing, double-lay for a while,

it was still engraved in my head.

I knew someday that was going to get back to it.

I just didn't know how, because I didn't know how to play guitar.

Right.

So that's a big impedance.

So yeah, one day I was walking in the razor, my boxer dog and we came across a garage sale

and they were selling like tools and, you know, cool stuff.

And I was like, oh, cool.

I want to stop here and see what's going to get.

It was just a cool spot.

You know, and I saw Johnny Cash cassette tape.

And it was, yeah, my name is my grandpa and I snapped it up,

you know, right there in the spot for like two bucks.

And it was Johnny Cash's, I would like to see you again, cassette tape.

It's got a lot of great songs on it.

But anyway, so I bought this cassette tape and I put it in the truck and listened to it.

And I liked it.

It was, man, it's pretty good stuff.

You know, three chords, three chords.

I think I might be able to play this.

You know, it's only three chords and then just rearrange the chords.

Just mean it when you're doing it.

And so, yeah, for a while, I was listening to that tape and then I wanted to listen to something

else and all, and it got, it wouldn't come out.

I don't really was stuck.

It was really stuck in there.

And if I ever wanted to listen to music, I had to listen to this cassette tape.

Otherwise, I wouldn't listen to nothing.

Right.

So all or nothing.

Wow.

So, yeah, I had that epiphany and then I learned a couple chords and I showed Eric,

because we are still friends after the band Double Life broke up.

And because he's a great man, you know, I learned a lot from him.

And he taught me how to play another chord.

And next, you know, I can play a whole song by myself.

And I didn't need a band to create music, create music.

Wow, yeah.

I know that feeling.

That isn't epiphany.

Yeah, and yeah, we just hung out and drank beer and learned another song

and learned another genre of cast song.

And then we just had fun for a while playing.

And you know, we called ourselves the Milwaukee River Boys for a while.

Well, let's get back to live music from the Man City with God's Outlaw,

presented by the Aaron Weber Group.

The next song that you have for us tonight, it's called Someday,

is this a song of procrastination or dreaming?

This is just a cryer.

I wanted to write a really sad song.

And so I wrote a sad song.

It's not about nothing or nobody.

Nothing or nobody.

Well, perfect.

Let's check it out.

This is Someday by God's Outlaw.

You're listening to Live from the Man City on Maxine Credio.

She loves me anymore.

I don't think she loves me anymore.

Doesn't seem to care if I walk right out the door.

Slam my beer because she don't love me anymore.

I tried so hard to share what's deep inside.

And dark secrets in my past I tried to hide.

I promised I wouldn't do that anymore.

Slam my drink because she don't love me anymore.

And I tried hard to please him.

I will do anything in the end.

And I tried hard to please him.

I do many things for you, my friend.

I don't think she loves me anymore.

Doesn't seem to care her words have made me sore.

I don't think she loves me anymore.

And I'm tired of being the one who is ignored.

And I tried hard to please you.

I will do anything in the end.

And I tried hard to please him.

I will do anything for you, my friend.

I will do anything for you, my friend.

And I tried hard to please him.

I will do anything in the end.

And I tried hard to please him.

I will do anything in the end.

And I tried hard to please him.

I will do anything for you, my friend.

I will do anything for you, my friend.

I got drunk after I could embrace you.

I got drunk and I couldn't change.

I got so hot that I couldn't save you.

Lord help me make that change.

Lord help me make that change.

Someday you're going to want to be with me.

Wow, what a great song.

Someday this is God's Allah right here on Lion from the

Magnet City on Maxine Credio.

Well, now that we met the original core of the God's Allah,

I'm going to remind you of an epic bender the last

and for five days here are the key words cowboy hats,

guitars and stolen pickup truck.

Tell us the God's Allah origin story.

Well, shoot started after long ass bender,

long long bender with bass pro and a lot of drinks.

And man, we met each other hanging out at the bar,

but I'm talking about the origin of God's Allah now.

So from double life, you guys were learning guitar, right?

And then you started the tribute band.

Yeah, we started the God's Allah tribute band,

just because we really got good at learning these three chords

four chords in the truth.

Yeah, a lot of Johnny Cash mostly Johnny Cash.

Yeah, mostly Johnny Cash.

But we put the band together and it was a kind of accident

because I was playing on my porch and the owner of the bar

across the street was cleaned up fireworks and he heard me

practicing and he's like, hey, you're pretty good.

I was like, yeah, right.

He's like, no, seriously, if you come over to my bar,

I'll give you free beer as long as you're playing.

Wow. So it literally, that's how it started

is because we got free beer and we played for free

in front of people.

We learned live in the front of people.

And that didn't kick us out.

Was that the Milwaukee River Boys?

That was kind of the end of the Milwaukee River Boys.

Yeah, the end of the Milwaukee River Boys.

And that was just us and another guy named Adam.

But the God's Allah turned like we just went hardcore

during the Cash.

We found so many gems that he wrote and they spoke to the soul

and we just went hardcore into it.

Well, after this next song, we'll get over here to Jason

and find out all about him.

But right now, let's get back to live music

from the Man City with God's Allah,

presented by the Aaron Weber group.

The next song you have for us tonight,

it's one of the first songs that you guys did

called poetic justice.

And tell us about this song briefly before you play.

Well, the song was written in like 2011,

12 and we wanted to redo it.

I just never did it justice the first time.

So the song was written as, you know,

Johnny Cash had his song, you know,

he wanted to write something about what was the worst thing

you could do to a man and that was to, you know,

kill him and then just to watch him die.

And I was like, well, what's worse than that?

You know, I was like, hmm, wanting to kill the man

and he dies before you get your hands on him.

So that had his dream and it turned into the fact that,

you know, I found this man.

I wanted to do harm to him and he was scared of me

and he died of a heart attack before even laid a hand on him.

Wow, well, let's check this out.

The man's death.

A poetic justice live from the man city,

a magazine radio with God's outlaw.

You're going to love this one, folks.

I'll bring you back to the spaghetti western era.

Well, I'm sitting here in Toronto for a crime of wish I did come in.

Some gum will go out kicking a gouging in the mud to blood and I'll spit.

Well, well, I'll think I did it so I packed my guns and hid.

After I smiled over his body and I left him for layin' dead.

Should have seen the look in their eyes when I came home and I caught him with my eyes.

I can hear the angels calling, but demons were spurned.

Come, lady, I will to that man you do despise.

Well, the man's heart couldn't handle the fury I showed just when I turned and blew

out the candle and I roared as I rushed it down.

Well, if there's a problem with the gallows when they opened up their store

Tell us been sittin' there's but pillows she can't have her hide no more.

Should have seen the look in their eyes when I dropped down to the dirt by my spouse.

I can hear the women bawling, but the angels stuttered loud.

But him being is free, in error.

So people take me to my lesson, ooh, ah, didn't call that trigger, I confess, yeah man that's my smith and lesson, ooh, ah,

I can't scared that man to death.

Awesome, God's outlaw, poetic justice right here live from the Mad City on Maxing Gradio, we will be right back.

Shop local, eat local, listen local, this is Maxing Gradio, we are local music.

Welcome back everybody to live from the Mad City on Maxing Gradio with God's outlaw presented by the Aaron Webberg group.

Now we've heard from Brian, we've heard from a man naked man was the first upright basis for God's outlaw.

And then wrecking ball was the second basis for God's outlaw, but it's the third basis.

Jason saw boss clause that has really come along and anchored the band.

Jason, how did you get started playing with music? What's your backstory?

Well, I grew up a poor fat kid from Cutahey and I listened to a lot of music because I didn't have much else to do.

And so, you know, I listened to music that I didn't have to go out and buy, I just stole from my dad's record collection and I would put on those old Hank Williams,

and Wayland Jennings album. Yeah.

I, he had some Beatles and stuff in there, I'd listen to that too and maybe some Judas Priest or something every there, now and then.

But boy, there was a lot of Willie Nelson, Wayland Jennings and Merle Haggard, some, you know, some good old stuff like that.

So I grew up listening to that music, not because I chose it because it's what was available and really available for me.

Boy, I came to love that music though, I'll tell you what.

And I was known in grade school in Cutahey as the kid who really loves Johnny Cash music.

Wow. They made fun of me for other reasons too, but I'm like, hey, you just wait because country music has always been cool.

And it's going to come around. It's going to be cool. And then you're going to feel bad about making fun of me.

Well, none of those kids ever felt bad about making fun of me, but I'll tell you what, they all did come around to the country music when it came up.

Oh, that's funny. Now, why operate bass? And how did you get into bass?

Well, see, I actually started when I was very young playing guitar. I was about 10 years old when I got on first guitar and I loved it.

And that's all I wanted to do was play that guitar, but I didn't have the mental fortitude and capacity to think about it in the way that I do as an adult.

So like it took me a little while as a kid to really get my traction. But as I started to learn playing guitar, I'm like, this is really fun.

I need to do more of this. And later on in high school, like I'm in a band, like get some friends asking me to be in a band with them.

And they're like, hey, we already have four guitar players. You know any bass players. That's how it always happens.

Yeah. Yeah. So I said, well, you know what, like I don't own a bass guitar, but I would certainly play it if I had my hands on one.

So I got my hands on one, started playing that. I played in rock bands, reggae, classical, like jazz, a bunch of different stuff.

Before I went back to my roots, which was country, an old original outlaw country. And so I started just playing casually with that, but I couldn't find a country band when I was younger.

I was playing in rock bands, playing guitar, playing bass, whatever I could. And over the years, I started thinking like, wow, you know country music and the upright bass, like rock ability slap wild, you know, bass slapping people spinning them, jumping up and down on them.

And whatever I thought, wow, that's cool. It's groovy music. And I love it.

I haven't seen you jumping down on this thing yet.

I would turn this into a pile of toothpicks in a heartbeat if I stood on it. So yeah, I'm not a very petite fellow. You can't see on the radio, but if you've met me in person, nobody describes me as slim or small or anything like that.

The saw boss. Now I hear that you saw God's outlaw 20 years ago. I putters in Milwaukee before you were in the band. I did. Yeah, you know, I was I was sitting down in the living room with my first wife way, way back.

And like, what are we doing? It's a, you know, Saturday night or whatever it was. I'm like, I saw in the Shepherd Express. There's a Johnny Cash tribute band playing at Pudler's Hall.

I'm like, I'd love to go see that. I don't know. I didn't know who they were. Didn't know what they were about. And I get there. And I'm like, wow, yeah, they're ripping up these Johnny Cash tunes. And we're sitting in Pudler's Hall. And I keep telling my ex-wife, like, oh, well, I'm going to talk to these guys after they're done playing because I think they'd be perfect if they just had an upright bass player.

Yeah, at the time I didn't wasn't even thinking about upright bass, but I was just thinking about how cool that would sound with these two other guys.

Little did I know at that time in 2003, 2004, whatever, whatever year that was. Little did I know that then later on in 2019, I would start actually playing upright bass with those very same guys.

That is, you're blessed. That's kind of a crazy turnaround story there. Wow, that's like kids met men for sure. And then we all just played Pudler's Hall last week.

Yeah, it's a full circle on and played at the place that we started. Wow, for our release party for our album.

Well, let's get back to live music from the Mad City with God's Aldo presented by the Aaron Weber group, the next song that you have for tonight.

Let's see, I'm reading off the wrong page. We almost played the same song again. The next song you have for tonight is called West Is Dead.

Is this an ode to mountains, Leslie West? No, it's actually. That's a good one. I always get it wrong.

It's actually one of my friends in the military died and I wanted to immortalize them in a song. And that's what this song is more about.

And it's also kind of a simile for the country music being dead. So it's kind of got a lot of different things that it could be interpreted as.

But mainly it was written about my friend Mike. And I just wanted to make him live forever in a song.

Well, let's check it out. This is West Is Dead. You're listening to live from the Mad City on Maxing Radio.

The West Is Dead. Did you hear the words he said? Did you hear him say in the West Is Dead?

It took too long for them to figure out what went wrong. Can you hear him say in the West Is Dead?

I hope this train's gonna take me far away gonna save me. Did you hear him say in the West Is Dead?

It took too long for them to figure out what went wrong.

It took too long for them to figure out what went wrong.

Traveling along the walkways we didn't know wrong.

Making work fun cause lots of songs.

No one dare to say we might die someday. Making work fun cause lots of drugs to pay.

I hope this train's gonna take me far away gonna save me. Did you hear him say in the West Is Dead?

I hope this train's gonna take me far away gonna save me. Did you hear him say in the West Is Dead?

It took his life and everything he had that night never even failed to finish a flight.

It took too long for them to figure out what went wrong. Can you hear him say in the West Is Dead?

I hope this train's gonna take me far away gonna save me. Did you hear him say in the West Is Dead?

I hope this train's gonna take me far away gonna save me. Did you hear him say in the West Is Dead?

Did you hear him say in the West Is Dead?

Living in brilliant.

Sargent West ain't dead.

Hey Sargent West ain't dead.

New Max and Gradio live from the Man City with God's Outlaw.

Now Brian recently you guys came out with a new album who was just released.

It's streaming now on all the streaming sites. It's called Tales of the Hardway.

And I know that you're really excited to get this out and you put a lot into it. Tell us about your new album.

We did put a long, long hard effort into this. These songs are written like over a span of like long three years or so.

And I was at living the whole time and then finally knuckle down because you know we're all gonna die someday.

And I just wanted to leave something from my family, my kids you know out there in the world.

Yeah. So we got knuckle down and decided to do a real album.

Yeah with the help of Jeff Hamilton from Hamtone studio.

Yeah he is a legend out of Milwaukee. He is a musician, a producer.

He gave me one of my first ever recording experiences.

And then I went on to work with Steve Albini and Butchvig after that on a couple different albums with the Rockman.

He knows me and he knows what I'm trying to accomplish with this music with Spaghetti Western sound, you know kind of thing that we got going on.

So how does the Spaghetti and Western get fused? I always wondered that you got to ask a lot of people in the band over there.

You know you got lots of guests on this album.

Yeah we do. I'm happy to say Jeff has played a lot and I'll be produced and mixed it.

It was mastered at Mr. Room studio there, Mr. Room by Justin.

Missed Mastering in Madison.

Okay. Oh yeah right. Super duper too.

We've got some amazing players on it that Brian Miller, friend of ours and Jeff was able to pull in.

Reed Connelly and Reed Connelly who plays with Kiosk.

Zach Brian.

Yeah and then Joe Spivy who played with John Anderson and a bunch of others plays with the Time Dumpers and Vince Gill down in Nashville.

Yeah we got lucky and they wanted to actually be on our own.

Kiosk stuff was good enough.

Yeah the percussionist from Nashville too, like he's played with us on the album.

And you know he of course has played with Big and Rich for many years and

Kevin Moe, Hank Jr.

Yeah.

And Martin for Paul Martin, Paul Martin, harmonica.

Harmonica, yeah.

There's a ton of people.

Yeah we've been playing the album and there's just some great songs on there and lots of great guests.

And you can get this, where can we get the physical?

You can get the physical at the shows that we're doing.

We are actually doing a show coming up here March 28th at Main Street.

That's right down in Brooklyn Wisconsin.

Oh yeah.

About 20 minutes.

20 minutes back.

Yeah.

Oh yeah.

And Mason just got married.

Congratulations Mason.

I'm looking forward to hanging out with you.

He's a great guy.

So your release show coming up Saturday, March 28th at Main Street Music in Brooklyn, Wisconsin.

So let's get back to live music from the man city with God's outlaw presented by the Aaron Weber group.

The next song you have for us tonight is from your new album Tales of the Hardway.

And it's called Roll These Dice.

Is this a song about taking risks?

This song is about all my friends over the years that have helped us out and always been there.

And you can always roll the dice and count on your friends.

And that's pretty much what the song is about.

You rocker and E-man and my friend Jason and everybody that's supported us along the way.

The song is about you.

That's cool.

Let's hear it.

This is Roll These Dice.

You're listening to Max and Gradio live from the man city with God's outlaw.

Well, I'm driving down the highway and I'm thinking about my friends.

I'm going to be here again.

Grandpa's Johnny Cash.

He's got stuff in my car.

Playing that music makes me wonder where you are.

Well, I'll roll these dice again.

Now full moon is rising.

I can almost hear a stop.

Can't wait for my friends and family to see us at the top.

Singing my songs and one of his now and again until my turn on this earth has come to an end.

Well, I'll roll these dice again.

Yeah, well, I'll roll these dice again.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Man road turned out, surviving that long road out.

Man summer night, surviving that last road out.

Waking up fine time together on my mind.

Seeking something that I may never find with I'll roll.

These dice again.

Yeah, well, I'll roll these dice again.

Well, I'll roll these dice again in the end with my friends.

Yeah, well, I'll roll these dice.

Well, I'm driving down to highway and I'm thinking about my friends.

One in world goal of all, beat my family again.

Finally have my family and friends sitting in the front row.

Playing no games on either one heck of a show with I'll roll these dice again.

Yeah, well, I'll roll these dice again.

Yeah, well, I'll roll these dice again in the end with my friends.

Yeah, well, I'll roll these dice again in the end with my friends.

Yeah, well, I'll roll these dice.

Well, I'll roll these dice again in the end with my friends.

Yeah, well, I'll roll these dice again in the end with my friends.

Yeah, well, I'll roll these dice again.

Yeah, roll these dice again.

That was God's outlaw right here on Maxine Credio live from the Man City.

I mean, this has been incredible and this album is out of the hard way.

But you know, I was looking at it and it seems like there's a few easter eggs on there.

Is there a story in the artwork?

Oh, yeah, I was at a 15 crew chief.

So if you look at the artwork, you'll see some 15s fun around there.

Yeah.

I got a ham's beer can and a rattlesnake because there's always a snake in the grass to want you to feel.

Yeah.

Wow.

You got to check that out.

Great album.

Get it everywhere that you can stream.

Spotify.

All the good places.

You're up everywhere now.

Everywhere.

You can stream it on major platforms.

Yes, thanks.

Brian Eric Jason.

Thank you so much for taking the time to drive out here from walkie and play for us tonight.

We really appreciate it.

Sure thing.

Thanks for having us, Robert.

But we have time for one more song tonight with God's outlaw.

I'm live from Man City, presented by the Aaron Weber group.

And this song is called Outlaw.

That's right.

Tell us about your song before you play.

Well, this song is about us.

We're pretty much how we are friends in first, foremost.

And then because of our commonality, we enjoy music together.

And we wrote a song about us.

Let's hear it.

This is Outlaw.

You're listening to Live From Man City.

Maxing Radio.

And every now and again.

Somewhere he's out there.

Traveling the roads.

Working anywhere and never with faith and hope.

He's only been struggling for too many years.

But folks still like him coming around here.

But every rebel must find some friends.

Someone to help him carries tune every now and again.

He's got to be faithful, honest and true.

Someone who helps you feels strong when they're around you.

They call them men outlaw.

It wasn't one to be famous at all.

Just trying to lay it up was not what I could do back then.

Got some trouble, some falls, young.

And by his own songs.

And he walked out loud every now and again.

He's sipping on laughter.

Singing yesterday's songs.

In the echo of your mind, the song belongs.

Thinking about past friends and memories so dear.

Live, laugh, laugh, love.

There's nothing to fear.

Well, they call them men outlaw.

It wasn't one to be famous at all.

Just trying to lay it up was not what I could do back then.

Got some trouble, some falls, young.

And by his own songs.

And he walked out loud every now and again.

More than likely, back to the places they've been.

They'll go somewhere and sing their songs again.

And memories so old and dreams and new.

Three men, three chords and a truth.

Well, they call them guys outlaw.

They want to be famous, young.

Just trying to lay it up was not what I could do back then.

Got some trouble, some falls, young.

And by his own songs.

All right, you haven't listened to Gazola Live from the Mad City on Maxing Credit.

We have John Gaye next week right here live in the city.

And we will see you next week.

You've been listening to Maxing Radio.

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