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Beth Kille back from Scotland and headed for Flannel Fest

Max Ink Radio · Sat Nov 1, 2025

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Wow, that is quite a double feel.

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Man, what a great way to start a Saturday night.

Oh, man.

Well, we're starting out partying right now.

Oh, such a good time.

And the studios were already packed.

Yeah, that's right.

All ready.

We even got to an interview.

Is there any pack?

Yeah.

Oh, some Clyde's double feel to start that out.

That goes out to the WMDX crew who is out at Casper's party right now.

I wanted to go to the party, but I said, you know, tune me in.

And that's all be your party.

So hey, guys, what's happening?

Past the popcorn.

That was Clyde's double feel.

So we're going to, we're going to really get things going tonight.

We have a crazy patch show tonight.

Oh, we have bad wolf.

They are getting back together.

They have, they finished their album.

Did you know Rob?

Yes.

That when you finish an album, that's the reason to party.

It is.

It used to be that you would actually release the album, right?

Yeah.

And then you'd have a party.

But now you had.

So this way, it's genius.

Right.

You have two party, right?

Right.

Who doesn't like an extra party?

Right.

I mean, you know, just a party to, to, to announce that the album's done.

Yep.

And then a party when it comes on.

Yeah.

And then a party actually, if you release each single as well.

You could.

This would be a lot of release part.

Oh, Beth Killie.

She's going to be in here.

She's got a whole bunch of things going on.

I haven't seen Beth forever.

It'll be great to catch up with her.

Oh, man.

She, uh, she went over to Scotland.

Yeah.

With her band, Jen chocolate and bottle rockets.

And they took a bunch of fans, right?

They went touring around.

Yeah.

How fun would that be, right?

And all the photos were amazing.

Every show is packed.

You just bring your own crowd.

Right.

Yeah.

And we turned to Scotland every, every show is packed.

I can't wait to hear all about it because the photos were amazing.

I mean, they, they were out there with the, yeah, you know,

they were looking for the Loch Ness monster.

They were chasing cows around a pasture.

I, I, there were castles.

And the whole time they're like jamming for people.

Yeah.

For sure.

And castles.

Wow.

Rocker, we should get, you know, civic media to pay for us to go to Scotland.

Oh, yeah.

Rock cast live.

We're just, we're just, you know, we just turn in the receipts.

I'm sure they're reimbursed.

They'll just magic.

Just stamp it approved.

Yeah.

Lily Slay.

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She's by the way of Charleston, South Carolina came up here to Milwaukee after the pandemic.

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Yeah.

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Bad wolf bounce back

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The Madison and Wisconsin bass quartet,

Bad Wolf, they were formed in 1991

by singer-songwriter and guitarist Charles Thomas.

Bad Wolf became recognized for their electric brand

of accessible melodic guitar-orientated rock

and their second album, Original Materials,

Sleeping Dog's Lie, was voted best local release

by the Wisconsin States Journal's Rhythm section.

Rob, do you remember the rhythm section?

Is that like after the comics?

Like the rhythm section is like.

That's like nine years.

A few reunion shows happen in 2007 and 2008

but nothing solidified again until Bad Wolf reunited

for a musical celebration of the life

for Kenny Gondzel Keith,

the singer from Metal Gond's Vinyl Thunder and Predator.

And this led to Mori Hercels' Rating Music

and now a brand new Bad Wolf album

called The Dotted Line.

It's on the way.

It's an album completion party

that takes place this coming Saturday,

November 8th at the Boulevard on Madison's Far East Side.

Here to talk, Badass Blues and More is the whole Bad Wolf band.

Charles Thomas, Wade Otis, Rob Jolene,

and John Richardson.

Welcome to Maxine Gradio.

He's rocker.

Yeah.

And we're all here.

And I heard the last time you guys were in the radio interview

was in the 90s.

What station was that?

And who were you interviewed by?

It was at WMJB in Jamesville.

And we have a recording of that interview rocker

that we'll never see the last day.

Oh, no.

It's a little easier.

What do you think that was?

96, maybe.

Somewhere in the mid 90s.

We probably still had cart machines.

Let's just say we misbehaved.

Talk right into that microphone for me, will you?

We misbehaved prior to the interview.

And the content of the interview is indicative of that.

And it's just, it's actually, yeah, in retrospect,

it's a little cringe-worthy.

Well, we're going to be on our best behavior next.

Oh, thank goodness.

You guys weren't doing anything crazy before you got it.

Or maybe we're, I don't know.

How does it feel to be back after all these years?

Honestly, sometimes it's a little surreal.

We did not expect to be here doing this again.

But, you know, when we got back for Gonzo's Celebration of Life

and playing the old music.

And it rekindled these old friendships that, you know,

we had, you know, it's not like we lost each other

or it hadn't been in contact at all, but we weren't hanging out

and just getting together and rekindling those old friendships

has been a really rewarding.

And, you know, to get to record.

The great new material that Charles has written in a proper studio

was something that I certainly never thought

I was going to be able to do in the rest of my time

on this great good earth.

And I don't know how the other guys felt.

But, you know, our previous records were recorded

with dozens of dollars on, you know, basement quality equipment.

And the fact that they did as well as they did is still surprising.

And, you know, getting to record my real drums in a real studio

at Megaton with Paul Schlitter has been an absolute real man.

And working with Paul was absolutely effortless.

And you guys retain the original members?

Yes.

Because, I mean, a lot of times, like the only original member

left over from being this old is like the road.

Yes.

Yes, we had, we had, there was an original bass player guitar,

or bass player drummer and singer in Bad Wolf.

Oh, really?

And when John joined in 1993?

Three, three, five, four, anybody?

Something three.

Three.

I joined in 1993.

He joined in 94.

Okay.

So that really formed the nucleus of the band.

And that's where they're really when we perform the most.

And as an original band, we were pretty lucky to be able to play

as much as we did considering that.

We were doing mostly original music.

So that's already crazy because back in that time,

that was the golden age of Bad Wolf was in the 90s, right?

And a lot of that stuff, you guys are playing at bars

that typically maybe had cover bands.

Yeah.

So the fact that you were playing in a lot of those clubs like that

with original music is a testament right there.

It is pretty crazy.

Tell us about the golden age of Bad Wolf in the 90s.

I mean, what was it like back then?

Well, the golden age.

The golden age was actually a pretty brief for us.

It was really just a few years.

But we left an adorable mark, at least in our brains.

And hopefully on the local music scene.

But, you know, the scene has definitely changed quite a bit.

We've all played in cover bands throughout the years.

And, you know, the cover band scene is not quite what it was back then

as far as the bigger clubs that you can play.

Magical scats, you know, those kinds of places.

But it seems like the scene back then was less saturated that is now.

And, you know, if you look back five years ago during COVID,

I really thought that there would never be any live music ever again.

And to just come back stronger than ever,

there's more places to play than ever.

Yeah.

And it's really cool to see how much activity there is out there

in the live music scene.

And the camaraderie of all the different bands that I've gotten

to know just in the last couple of years, people I didn't know.

And it has changed.

The people are bent over backwards to help filling musicians out.

It's pretty cool.

Now, your new album, The Dad in Line,

it has a big bold sound.

It was recorded at Make a Tone Studios with Paul Schluter.

Tell us about the album in the production.

Well, we got done with the Gonzo's Celebration of Life.

And you're Charlie, right?

I'm Charles.

Charles.

That's me.

Charles.

We got done.

And we were, OK, well, this is feeling really good.

It feels like we should continue.

But what does that mean?

Do we want to go back out on the road and play a bunch of shows?

I don't think so.

And I just said, well, what if I write an album?

And then we record it in a really good studio,

because we never got a chance to do that.

And what if we got vinyl?

Because we never got a chance to do that.

And that was where the dream started.

And then it was just a lot of work.

We felt like it was coming to an end.

And then that's when he was like,

Paul has for a minute and said, I think we should write an album.

And we're all kind of shocked for a second.

And then it all sunk in.

And we were ready.

Tell me about putting out the vinyl.

I mean, a lot of bands are doing that these days.

But is that one of the reasons why things are running late this year?

Exactly.

I wouldn't say running late.

But it's crazy how vinyls had this resurgence.

And now if you want to get, if your album is done and you send it off,

it's going to be like two months to get vinyl back.

So they're running so far behind.

And we just said, OK, well, we waited this long.

We worked this hard.

We're going to wait a little longer because it's worth it, you know.

Did you ever think of cassette tape?

Maybe that was quicker.

We can't get CDs back.

We'll have CDs back before we'll have vinyl for sure.

Yeah.

And it'll be on Spotify and all the usual streaming services,

like even right now.

So, you know, the first one is waiting in a queue.

Again, there's again, if you put a song on Spotify,

they're going to hold you back like at least a month.

Wow.

That's incredible.

Not me.

You guys just put out a video as well.

Correct.

That's out there on YouTube.

Tell us about the video.

The video is who's got the ball.

I think it's John Stern to talk.

We did that Rob's house at the garage.

Todd, we're really a true garage man.

Real had some great friends over there that came out.

And we made a night of it.

Had a cooler, a couple of coolers of beer.

But Steve Fisher was there as well helping out with the lights.

Oh, yeah.

We had a great time with it.

And the concept was all Charles.

And it went very well.

The people hanging out was nice.

And the end product was kind of fun to see.

It's a great video.

It's very on YouTube.

And there's links for that.

And we'll have a bunch of that stuff for the November 8th.

If you search for Bad Wolf Madison on YouTube, you'll find it.

You got it.

Yep.

Well, this coming Saturday, November 8th is the Bad Wolf album completion party

at the Boulevard.

And I'm excited to hear a mix of your classic tunes and the new material.

Tell us about the show.

November 8th, come on down to Boulevard.

We will be mixing it up a little bit.

I'll still have special guests.

Last guest, Shelley from Shelley and Derek from pilot will be up.

And we're going to do it together.

Some old stuff.

And a lot of people do know our old stuff almost as good as we do.

Yeah.

And it's going to be a mix of course, the new stuff and the old.

But we're going to do our entire album.

And it's going to be just a few few people or few old songs here and there.

Tuck in between our new stuff.

So it's going to be great.

New merchandise.

We got new dotted line t-shirts or old school logo t-shirts.

Buttons, buttons, buttons.

We have beer coosies.

And come on down and have a good time.

It'll be fun.

Yeah.

So tell me what it was like for you guys to kind of come back

and reunite for for Gonzo.

It was my Gonzo is a mentor of mine.

And I used to go down the book I in and hang out with him after hours.

And he would he was helping me do scales back in the day.

And I grew up a mile from the Onis book I wrote.

So Gonzo is my mentor.

And I just you know, he always encouraged me.

And I was I just wanted to be that guy that was a center of attention on stage.

You know, even though that's not my persona in life.

But I'll tell you, it's really an amazing thing to get back together for an

unfortunate event.

But Gonzo is looking down smiling.

And we were kind of almost the house band for Gonzo's.

And it was it was meant to be in this whole life.

I can put it that way.

Yeah.

I just want to say too.

Gonzo is so generous to us when we were first starting out.

I mean, we were a mostly original band here in Madison.

And we opened that bar.

I called him and I'm like, you do want to book this original band.

And he was just so welcoming and so nice to us.

That place really was our sort of home base as far as gigging back in those days.

Wow.

That's an incredible story.

Charles Rob Wade and John.

Thank you so much for coming down to the studio tonight to talk about your upcoming battle of album party.

And we really appreciate it.

And wish you the best on your new musical journey.

You're coming back here.

Before we go, tell us about this new song.

We just got it.

It's called Badass Blues.

What I like about it is it's sort of imagining a guy who looks like he's really tough and really scary.

But at no point in the song does it ever say that anything about him is true.

It's all just sort of rumors.

This person said this and I heard a guy say this and they say this.

So it's sort of like what if you walked your life looking really scary.

But maybe it maybe that wasn't actually the case and people were just sort of like spreading rumors about how scary you were.

So it's about Lenny.

Maybe someone.

Eminence Front.

Wow.

Hey, let's check it out.

This is brand new Bad Wolf.

This is Badass Blues.

You're listening to Maxine Gradio.

We are Local Music.

Hey, come on, come on.

Man is the...

Oh.

I heard he shot a man in Reno.

Just to watch him die.

I heard he gets a new tattoo.

Each time he makes a grown man cry.

They say he was born to be a nightmare for all the same.

Badass Blues.

From his cowboy hat down to his snake skin boots.

And he writes down loads from halfway.

Got nothing to lose.

Badass Blues.

He's been from head to toe.

He's being born to tell me so Badass Blues.

From his cowboy hat down to his snake skin boots.

He rides that horse on my way.

Got nothing to lose.

Badass blues.

Got those badass blues.

Got nothing to lose.

Badass blues.

Bad Wolf on Maxing Radio.

Yeah, Rob.

Next Saturday night at the Boulevard.

I can't wait to see you side.

Bad Wolf.

They're having their album completion party.

And you just heard Badass Blues.

That is off their new album.

That in line, of course, produced and by Charles and Paul Schnuter

at Megaton Studios.

You know, I love when the bands come in,

because you can I watch them when their songs are playing

and figure out what they do.

Like the drummer's over here and just like,

he can't contain himself.

He's just air drumming.

Yeah, man.

Well, it's great.

You know, you get to hear your song through their radio compressor.

That's crazy.

Wow.

We have a big show yet tonight.

We still have.

Let's see.

Coming up.

Yeah.

Beth is coming in here at 730.

Oh, yeah, 730.

And she's got so much going on.

Rocker.

I don't even know what we're going to talk about.

We're going to talk about Scotland.

Sure.

We're going to talk about flannel fast.

We talk about Rockets.

We don't know.

She's got so much stuff going on.

I'm excited.

Goodness.

And don't even mention all the stuff she does with,

you know, girls rock girls rock camp.

She wrote a book.

She's an author.

She wrote a book.

Another book.

Well, it was 2023.

I think it came up.

So I just weren't listing.

We're listing all of her accomplishments.

And she's also a mom, right?

Right.

I don't know.

I don't think she sleeps.

And she has like two dogs.

Two dogs.

Wow.

I'm exhausted.

Just talking about her success.

Oh, Lily Slay.

Yeah.

Live from the man city.

Tonight.

She's in the studio.

She's going to play a couple songs.

You're about to hear from me.

Good too.

I was just warming up in the other room.

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Alright, welcome back to Maxinc Radio, everybody. It is time for a live from the Mad City. Of course, you can catch our podcast Maxinc Radio 6 to 9 p.m. Saturday nights on WMDX 92.7.

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A live from the Mad City with Lily Slay. Lily Slay is the Southern Bell paradox meets Midwest hot mess. She cut her teeth playing music in Charleston, South Carolina in 2010.

And performing as an acoustic duo with the and also with the band Royal Tinfoil with members from Milwaukee to Fort Waterdale.

They were recognized throughout the region as slingers of rock Americana garage blues dumpster pop and plough mud party jazz debauchery.

I love that.

I just love that whole sentence about a year after the pandemic lockdown, Lily packed up her wigs and her kazoo and she moved to Milwaukee to escape the heat and try on a new city for size.

Here in the WMGX studio on state street with Southern sarcasm and sincerity, please welcome Lily Slay to live in the Mad City.

Hi, rocker. Thank you so much for having me.

Thank you for driving out here from Milwaukee.

Oh, yeah.

How does your Southern charm like our northern winters? Oh my gosh, I love it.

You look like you have a pretty good snow tan.

Thank you. Yeah. Well, I like I said, I you mentioned I came up with my bag of tricks and my bag of wigs and no one likes wearing a wig in the in the humidity in the south.

I do I do already up here.

Oh, that's nice. That's a good thing to know. That's a tip what we're going to mark that down.

Yes, we have a lot to talk about tonight, but let's start off with your backstory. Who is Lily Slay and how did you get started playing music?

Oh gosh, I mean, I feel like who is Lily Slay? We're going to we're going to really dig into it.

So I'll just say I was raised in northern Virginia and I started playing music.

I started playing cello in elementary school and then I kind of started sneaking self teaching myself playing guitar.

My dad, my dad played guitar. He was also self taught, but I don't think my mom was really into it.

I think she was really excited for me to stick with classical music.

It became a way for me to rebel a little bit stick with classical music.

Yeah, yeah, with with the cello and I and I actually ended up playing when we were forming our acoustic duo.

I would pull the end pin out of my cello all the way and I would play it like an upright bait.

Nice.

Yeah, so we actually got to we weren't really a cello band, but we got to like open for Rasputina and stuff like that because they thought we were a cello band.

I was like, sort of, I can do like one, you know, like just the ding ding ding ding.

You know, nothing. Nothing too fancy on there anymore.

Oh, nice. Now Lily Slay, that's your real name, that is an estate name.

No, I don't know. No identity thefts, please.

No, but it is true. And I feel like I make the distinction because according to the kids, it's already passe.

Slay is no longer cool, so I'm trying to not be cringe.

And I'm like, listen, I was born, born with this name actually on my birth certificate.

They couldn't decide my name. So my name on my birth certificate was Baby Girl Slay.

That was the rough draft.

Wow.

And so, but yeah, so if I've had a few people tell me if I ever do hip hop, it's going to be Baby Girl Slay.

For sure.

Nice.

Well, let's get to live music from the Mad City with Lily Slay, presented by the Aaron Weber group.

The first song you have for tonight, it is called News.

Tell us about this song before you play.

This is a song that I did with the Royal Tinfoil.

It's off our second album, Feed These Demons, which you can get streaming almost anywhere.

And it's the news is about capitalism and the absurdity of bootstrap theory.

It's just about how it's impossible to get ahead when you are live and paycheck to paycheck.

Alright, let's check it out. This is Lily Slay.

You're listening to Maxing Radio. We are local music.

I can't lose.

Young girls say you're vows because the kingdom's keys are wet and down every.

You did cages on the crown but not making every the frozen ground.

Say you're prayers and pay your dues.

Just ignore that certain number.

I look out the North and pour the pistol at you.

And a man can survive on my dear headline.

But the more you struggle, the more air you lose when you wear your bootstrap.

I can't lose.

Oh, the man, stay out of sight.

You know you snow more. You ain't got no fight.

Toothless doggy cannot fight you up to.

But enough of the holy rite.

Say you're prayers and pay your dues.

Just ignore that certain number.

I look out the North and pour the pistol at you.

And a man can survive on his headline.

But the more you struggle, the more air you lose you got the floor beneath your butt.

Say you're prayers and pay your dues.

Just ignore that certain number.

I look out the North and pour the pistol at you.

And a man can survive on his headline.

Lily, slay, lie from the mad city right here on max.

The Midwest is killing me a little with the four-stair heat, though.

That's like connecting my voice, man.

I'm telling you, I'm going to.

That's the first thing I'm looking for the next department I get is radiator, baby.

What's the music scene? Where did you come from?

Well, I moved to Charleston when I was like 17 and I didn't have a legal guardian and no one would really hire me.

So I just started playing the open mics and trying to make music that way.

And eventually put an ad.

This is such an old-fashioned sentence.

I put an ad on Craigslist.

And I said, I want to play music with somebody I want to do an acoustic duo.

And I don't want to play John Jack or Dave.

I said, I don't want to play John Mayer, Jack Johnson or Dave Matthews.

And I got so much hate mail, y'all.

No, no offense.

It's fine if that's what you like.

It just wasn't my bag.

And that's all I could find.

And so I found Mackie Bowles who was like, he grew up doing like bluegrass picking parties.

So he was a little bit country.

I was a little bit rock and roll.

You know the routine.

And yeah, so we formed an acoustic duo and that evolved in so many permutations.

And eventually became a five-piece rock bands.

And the Charleston music scene is awesome.

Yeah.

How would you compare it to like a Madison scene?

Is it a lot of original music there?

There's a lot of original music.

But there is, I mean, I'll say, when I was there, the scene encouraged a little bit more original music.

And that what happens with a lot of cities where the art scene is thriving.

Like Charleston's famous for its food scene, its art scene, is that it attracts a lot of big tourist dollars.

And then it sort of turns into a resort town.

Right?

And I think the resort test is, can your barista afford to live within 15 minutes of where you get your coffee?

And if not, you live in a resort town.

And that's what Charleston happens.

And now you're a cover band.

Yeah, yeah, exactly.

Now, I mean, and no disrespect.

Like I've done cover gigs and stuff like that before.

But there's less room for that.

There's less room for innovation when artists can't live in the downtown scene.

When they are shoved out to the suburbs.

And I think that is a problem.

And it happens in tons of cities.

But I like Milwaukee's because it's a little gritty still.

It's a little, it's a little undiscovered.

I see people like, I wish people knew about Milwaukee more.

And I'm like, shh, don't tell them.

I say the same thing.

Yeah.

Keep it secret because that's what, yeah, exactly.

Now talk about gaining the custody of your songs.

Well, you like you moved and your band was playing tell us about that.

I'm really, I was really joking when I'm using the word custody.

It's mostly.

It is true.

I mean, as a drummer, right?

Yeah.

You're always in a cover band.

Everybody's even a rich music.

It's still a cover to you.

I mean, I'll say are the drummers that I've had were heavily a part of the composition.

Like I'd bring them a song seed.

And then it would, we would do the improv comedy thing.

We say yes and and build, build something together.

And so, yeah, my, my drummers have come up with a lot of awesome stuff for me.

But, but I don't know.

It's, I am branching into a lily slay project.

And so I've got this huge arsenal of songs.

And I've got an album I'm working on remotely in Charleston with the,

with the Royal Tinfoil.

And then I've got an album.

I want to do a solo album.

And we got to figure out which songs go where.

And so that's all right.

That's really the only.

Oh, yeah.

Yeah.

What's the brand?

It's amicable.

This is a big thing.

But, yeah.

But as a drummer, even if you, even if you write a song, right?

Yeah.

Well, if you go to another band, it's not like you bring that song with you.

And if you, if you get royalty, if you're smart, you do.

Like you can get the flat fee up front or you can continue to.

Yeah.

You're investing in your, you believe in yourself.

But I mean, you're not going to play it in another band probably.

Probably.

That's true.

Hey, guys, I got a great idea for.

What made you decide to leave Charleston?

Oh, gosh.

So my husband was looking at grad schools.

He's getting his chemistry doctorate, which he's, he's a huge smarty pants.

And he was looking at schools for 2022.

And he saw somebody tweet that UW Milwaukee really needed chemistry majors.

And he was like, how do you feel about Milwaukee?

I was like, uh, half of my band used to be from Milwaukee.

Oh, and I love Milwaukee.

And if you had to ask me to move anywhere across the country with you, that's fine.

And honestly, I think I was just ready.

Like after the pandemic, I was like, I sensed a shift in the air.

You know, like I was like, there's change on the breeze.

Like let's do this.

Let's try something different.

Yeah.

Oh, so, uh, we'll tell us about your journey from South Carolina to Wisconsin.

Um, I mean, not like literally the journey was, was a nightmare because all the

rooms were like completely in disrepair from the pandemic.

Um, but, uh, yeah, I got, I got here and it took me a few years to really cut my teeth.

And I started meeting really cool people in the scene by like volunteering with music organizations.

And I'm really just starting to kind of not start from scratch, but put, put my solo name out there.

Now we heard a song that you just played and had a kazoo.

And, and you're wearing your kazoo in a harmonica mount.

Yes.

And I heard that one time you had almost a terminal problem with a, with a kazoo.

Yeah.

Um, so kazoo is that buzzing noise.

You can make a, you know, a kazoo, but, or, or approximation of it by holding like wax paper across a comb.

Have you ever done that before?

Yeah.

So that's what, that's what's inside of kazoo is a little disc of wax paper.

And one time I was like taking a big breath and the wax paper disc from the kazoo flew right

into my trachea.

It's the perfect size.

I like a terrible coughing fit on stage.

But now what I do is I trick them out.

And there's these little, uh, plastic, uh, discs inside the top of a soda bottle.

And I get those out and I trim them down.

And it gives it like a nice beefy kazoo buzz.

Wow.

So y'all inside.

I don't get my kazoo.

I can't keep my kazoo trickery.

That's how I make it.

Well, let's get back to live music from the Mad City with Lily Slay presented by the Erin Weber group.

The next song you have for us today, it's called Get Inside.

I mean, this has got to be about mental illness.

It is.

I mean, uh, in a, in a jovial and lighthearted way, but, and that's kind of what I mean about Southern.

Bless your heart.

Kind of sarcasm, but, uh, I'll just, I'll just say I prefaced a song by saying, I'm not a risk to myself or other.

So y'all can, we, we can all relax.

Dead inside.

This is Lily Slay, you're listening to Live from the Mad City on Maxing Radio.

Baby, baby, baby, I'm dead inside.

Can't remember how it feels to be alive.

Press my hand down on the stove.

Save a rental painting till I let it go.

Baby, baby, baby, don't come out way.

Sleeping next to me is like you're in a grave, you can see your breath beneath your nose.

Baby, baby, baby, baby, I got a heart of stone.

Wish there was a demon that I could confess, but you have to help us all for you to be possessed and I'm dead inside.

And in love I hadn't left, ran dry, and the tears won't come out, but still too numb to cry.

Baby, I'm dead inside.

Baby, baby, baby, I loved you then.

But simple, if I ran adrenaline, but my eyes will tear, I'll start to choke.

If I try to wrap my hands around the smoke, baby, baby, baby, it's all alive.

Can't you see the grimace underneath my smile, you can not be loved by what's deceased.

Baby, baby, baby, baby, let me rest in peace.

Feel my body slowly slipping to the black, but you have never, ever had a tag and I'm dead inside.

You can't see it behind my eyes, so don't drop your guard if you look too hard you'll die.

I can almost feel the sunlight on my face, the tender warmth of your embrace.

The way your kisses used to say, but baby, it was all the ways.

A girl who's frozen and preserved is so much less than you deserve.

And I can't bear to cause you pain, but it's ice water in my veins.

Don't you know that I'm dead inside, and in love I have never, ever tried.

And the tears will come, I'm still too long to cry.

And I'm dead inside, you can't see it behind my eyes, so don't drop your guard if you look too hard you'll die.

Baby, baby, baby, baby, baby, let me rest in peace.

Lily Slay, live from the bad city in her kazoo right here on Maxing Radio.

That is awesome. I love that kazoo.

Thank you.

Being a plus sized female artist is a big part of your stage persona and songwriter identity.

Along with the wigs, there's makeup, and you are a licensed cosmetologist.

Talk about creating your stage persona.

Well, so one thing about me is that I am neurodivergent, just a whole array of my brain works in different ways from other people.

And I think that I did kind of, we had like a party band persona with the Royal Tinfoil, but as I, and that was pretty authentic to me at the time.

But as I get older, I party less, and I'm just wholeheartedly authentic on stage, off stage.

I don't really know how to put on an act very well.

So kind of what I'm not going to win any any Oscars, any Tony's, what this is what you get.

So persona on off stage, that's me.

And what struggles or roadblocks do you experience as a plus size, a feeling or artist?

Well, I'd say it's a mixed bag. You get it on both ends.

So you get people who are like, oh, you know, if you really took your music career seriously, then you would lose weight.

Or people who are like, I can't imagine that you experience anti-fat bias because look at Adele and look at Lizzo.

And they'll name like the exceptions to the rule and not like the precedent.

And I'm like, yeah, you know, it doesn't change that we do get that in the industry, in any industry.

You know, fat people earn less money. We experience medical bias.

And so my, the way I get around it is again, just like aggressive authenticity.

Like this is who I am, what I'm about.

And I mean, I can't hide it. You're going to see it when you see me anyway.

So, you know, might as well.

How do you get around those roadblocks?

Yeah, just.

You say authenticity, but I mean, I mean, there's, there's anything.

Nothing in particular really comes to mind other than like, I do, I do talk about it, I guess, you know, when I experience the roadblock, I tell people about it, you know, I'll explain.

Hey, this happened to me at this venue or I don't think I'm going to play here again because of this, this thing that I experienced as a woman or as a fat person that, you know, I wasn't, I felt discriminated against or wasn't accommodated.

And you know, that's how people, people catch wind of these things.

And hopefully it'll help somebody else avoid the experience that I went through.

And that's really what it's about for me.

And you moved with your wigs.

Yes.

Why do you wear so many ways?

So, I have an androgenic alopecia.

And as part of why I am a fat woman, I have a polycystic ovary syndrome and it caused me to have a specific kind of hair loss.

And I think in the spirit of being like, hey, I'm a fat person and I'm not afraid of this or I'm not scared of it.

I was like, I started to see my scalp under stage lights and when I would sweat and I was like, I'm tired of hiding this.

So, I just show, I have a buzz cut and I like to wear wigs and I even went to school for it because I just think it's really fun to play with your identity.

And it's a form of expression, especially when you, maybe the fashion industry doesn't cater to you very well.

I can always use makeup to express myself.

Wow.

Well, let's get back to live music from the man said he was lily slay presented by the Aaron Weber group.

The next song you have for us today, it's called Bad News.

Will this be an experience with your southern sarcasm?

A little bit.

Yeah.

How could you tell?

Yeah.

So, this is just when I think I terrify men a little bit sometimes.

Maybe it's, you know, my brazenness.

So, I just wanted to write a song about how I'm a big, bad, scary lady.

Wow.

All right.

Bad news.

You're listening to lily slay live from the mad city on Maxing Radio.

And I'm missing any parts like in this heart of mine.

And try the knife to make it hard in line.

Like a prison shelter to that girl's bad news.

A shallow grave that isn't marked with stone is just a dirty land to cover up on bones.

On the flame up to the powder cake.

Like a burning fuse.

Like a prison bad news.

Cause I'm a home that you did so many.

I can tell that you want to play.

But you can't stay away.

Like a north to a land.

You cannot see when the tide is low.

The final wave inside the undertow.

Like an S or S shoved down a bottle neck.

Sat to dream the ocean blue.

That girl's bad news.

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Tonight we have Lily Slay. She came out here from Milwaukee to hang out with us and play some music and answer some questions.

And let's get back right to it. Lily, you have done stand-up comedy is still right and perform music comedy.

Will we see you at one of the open stages downstairs is comedy on stage soon.

I'll talk about your comedy aspect of your writing.

I'll tell you that musical comedians are the red headed step children of both the comedy and music roles.

And that no one wants out there. No one wants to find a D.I. box when a comedy open mic.

I just really for musical comedy dial up how literal I am dial down my metaphor and just again talk about embarrassing stuff about myself usually is the way to go.

Keep it authentic self deprecation. It always works in comedy, right?

For sure. Talk about teaching music with girls rock Milwaukee and you work with girls rock Charleston.

Yeah, that's where I cut my teeth. Unfortunately, girls rock Charleston.

The branches no longer that chapter is no longer there, but I'm so grateful to be working with Mary Joy in girls rock Milwaukee and hopefully maybe even collaborating over here in girls rock Madison.

But but yeah, teaching is super rewarding and I think, you know, we were talking earlier about I think music encourages critical thinking and encourages marginalized people to use their voices.

So I want to instill that in a young generation.

And it really gives the kids a sense of confidence as well. What do you think? Yes.

And what do you take away from it?

Gosh community is like so important. I mean, I and it's fulfilling to see people start out shy, especially ladies rock actually with people my age older, younger, but grown ups seeing them come in shy and seeing them leave with, you know, a new found power.

I think it's a good idea to use their voice. Yeah, or just make noise and be loud because I think especially women were taught to shrink and and accommodate and not and not be loud and take up space. So that's what that.

That's what these programs are for girls rock.

Well, let's get back to live music from the man city with Lily slay presented by the Aaron Weber group.

The next song that you have for us tonight, it's called sweet nothing.

And this song seems to sum up your experience in journey.

Yeah.

Oh, this one is.

We'd like to hear about it.

Yeah, I mean, this is yeah, it's autobiographical. It's about closing a chapter and coming up here and doing so low stuff and still loving my band and missing them.

Oh, let's check it out. This is sweet nothing. Lily slay it live from the man city.

We used to see the ground below.

Get tips here from the vertical.

Till we top on just like a domino.

So I got married and I left the shore for a city where we used to tour a thousand faces and none of them are yours.

I'll call and ask you how you've been. Compare our brand new medicines.

How's the kids? How old are they again?

And this is how it always ends. I've never learned to keep a friend on the ceremony us goodbyes.

Well, meaning gentle little lies.

Like promise that you'll stay in touch, but never mean it all that much.

And I know that we have to grow, but I don't want to let you go.

Well, this sweet nothing.

Always whispered in my ear.

Well, this sweet nothing.

How it steals away the ears.

Remember after every show we'd revel in the afterglow singing night moves with the radio.

And then that time the van broke down on the outskirts of a lonely town.

We just stood still as a wind whipped all around.

And this is how it had to be we couldn't keep on serving misery.

For promises from VIPs who stripped us bare and left the keys.

And then we had in the world the light they couldn't take away our fights.

The only way that we could grow was to let it go all on our own.

Well, this sweet nothing.

Always whispered in my ear.

Well, this sweet nothing.

How it never lets me steer.

Nothing fits quite like a worn out shoe.

Court the sweetly out of tune.

Blues like an old tattoo.

And homes along because it always knew.

Oh, there's nothing the way it's things I wouldn't trade it for anything.

Well, this sweet nothing.

Always whispered in my ear.

Well, this sweet nothing.

How it sharpens all my fears.

How it comes and disappears.

Lily Slay live from the Mad City on Maxing Radio.

Wow, that was that was a pretty incredible song.

Oh, thank you.

And I love the sound of that Taylor guitar.

Thank you.

This is for Taylor.

People above a certain age will get that one.

That's a great guitar.

You just had this your first gig with it.

With it repaired.

Yeah, on repaired.

The neck was like a fusilli noodle from wrenching it and sitting in a hot tour van.

And I just had it steamed flat like a like a flat iron wig.

Wow.

Was it a luthier in Milwaukee?

Yeah, I did it at cream city music.

And they refredited and repaired a crack.

And I'm getting a lock strap so that I don't crack it again.

Oh, perfect.

I love cream city music.

That's a great store.

The music of the 60s culture propelled civil change in America

and artists of the time were not afraid to write about politics

and the issues of the times.

And your songs sometimes share that path.

Talk about politics and art.

Well, I mean, I think all art is political.

And when I mentioned that earlier when we were talking about girls rock

because music encourages creativity and critical thinking

and just stretching the boundaries of what we know.

And so I think that art is just inherently political

no matter how you slice it.

How do you put politics into your art?

I see a thing that I get angry about and I write about.

Pretty much.

And also, but really, you know, I like to try to incorporate history into it too.

I use it.

I started thinking, you know, maybe just talking about being angry isn't

as much as I could do.

Maybe let's insert some history.

Let's see if we can educate some people on and see if they can

also just see what I'm seeing.

So I feel a little less crazy.

Oh, that's an interesting way to put it.

Yeah.

Well, let's get back to live music from the Mad City with Lily Slay

presented by the Aaron Weber group.

The next song that you have for us today,

it's called Artificial Intelligence.

Tell us about this song before you play.

It wasn't written on Chad G.

No, no, no.

It's essentially anti-Chad G.

But yeah, this song I wrote because I was watching just,

and I kind of wrote it, I wrote it even before Trump got inaugurated.

But I was looking at Elon Musk and I was like, you know,

man, this guy reminds me of somebody.

Who is it?

And I was like, I'm going to write a country song about Ford trucks and America

and historical pattern recognition.

And that's what this one's about.

Oh, very cool.

All right.

Let's listen to it.

This is Artificial Intelligence, Lily Slay, live from the Mad City.

So we opened up a factory.

We can't pump an outmodel piece.

But the men were so underpaid.

They couldn't buy the cars they made.

Ford didn't want to pay their way to King of the Gilded Age.

Well, old Henry, he bought the news and started blaming all the immigrants and all the Jews.

And eight off Hitler really dug those views.

And then we opened on a World War II and all the workers that were paid.

They went overseas to an early grave.

Late to a war that a rich man made.

It's on repeat.

It just replaced, replaced.

Well, if you keep in the scar, it's the same as it was 100 years before.

Oh, they got the gold.

We got a song to sing.

Breaking your body just to pay the rent.

Can't you see the real villain?

It's a war percent.

If you think you're living in a present tense.

That's Artificial Intelligence.

The second verse, the same as the first.

But baby, look, look, look, look.

It's so much worse.

It's still genocide with insults and Russian box and cosplay astronauts.

Because old Henry, he's got some fans out here running the same old scam.

There ain't nothing more American.

But if you need a, here's a diagram.

There's Thomas Bezos who bought the press.

And Musk rebranded Twitter.

And he named it X.

He did it for control.

He did it to impress.

A bunch of transphobic Nazis who can't have sex.

And you're busy bitching about the price of X.

Saying me and my sisters need to close our legs.

It's all a distraction.

It's all been a ruse.

It don't matter who wins as long as we lose.

Well, if you keep in the scar, it's the same as it was a hundred years before.

They got the gold, we got a song to sing.

Follow the money and it all makes sense.

To the highest bidder goes the price of dance.

If you think you're living in the present tense.

That's artificial intelligence.

It's anthropogenic.

It's always systemic.

The rising eugenics after every pandemic.

This genocide's genetic.

The cleansing is ethnic.

But it won't stop their history.

It's prophetic.

If times the flat circle,

Let's make this the remix.

Together we rise like a Phoenix.

Maybe you might as well sing.

The empire is cruel.

Well, if you keep in the scar, it's the same as two hundred thirty years before.

They get the gold, we get the beauty.

There's no American dream.

Don't pick it off.

All you get is delay.

If you think you're leaving in the present tense, that's artificial intelligence.

That's artificial intelligence.

Intelligence.

Lilly Slay Live from the Mad City brought you by the Aaron Weber Group on Max Eng Radio.

Artificial intelligence.

Lilly Slay, that's the first tune I think I've ever heard with the word incel in it.

Listen, they're everywhere.

It's bound to happen.

I'm sure there's lots of punk songs about them.

Oh yeah, maybe there is.

Lilly, you are currently located in the Milwaukee area and you have a drummer.

Yes.

And you're looking for a guitar player and a bass player.

I am.

And tell us about putting together a new band and how to contact you to accomplish becoming in your band.

Any of my social media right now, regrettably, until we have a better option or until it's unusable.

I'm on Facebook, Instagram, I'm on Blue Sky.

Again, Lilly Slay, L-A-L-Y-S-L-A-Y, you can usually find me that way.

And what kind of music is your new band?

I mean, it's going to be pretty much a lot of what I'm doing now is like more of my acoustic stuff,

but I've got rock songs written.

I'm a genre hopper.

So I like to do country, I like to do punk rock, I like to do rock and roll.

I'm all over the place, but I get limited by what I can do on my own.

So I need a team.

And now you were telling me that this is your first time in Madison.

It is.

No way.

Yeah.

But you know what, she's going to be playing a gig here in just a few days, right?

Yeah.

Lilly Slay, you're performing at the Rigby here in Madison, just at the other side of the Capitol,

this Friday, November 7, along with Darling Daughters in Uncle Jim.

Yes.

And how much are you looking forward to coming back to Madison and playing a show today?

I'm so excited.

I mean, I don't really have time to explore much tonight, so I'm hoping to come early next time.

Yeah.

You know, like, hit me up and tell me where to eat.

Oh, yeah.

Oh, my.

All right.

That's a lot of questions.

I know, right?

There's so much.

Well, that's a great, you know, engage with me.

Let me know where to eat and let me know if you want to play music.

And maybe we can do both.

Yeah.

Just go to on Facebook.

Look up Madison Foodie.

Okay.

It's just a giant group.

And everybody has an opinion.

Oh, I'm sure.

Oh, I have no.

Now Madison.

Yeah.

Where do you like to go on Milwaukee?

What's your favorite restaurant out there?

Oh, my gosh.

What's your favorite restaurant?

I really like.

I love a hole in the wall.

I love Schwarmaking.

Oh, yeah.

They are.

The owners are from Jordan.

And they are like amazing people.

And they're open late night.

So you can catch a show and you can still get food there.

Lots of like diverse omnivore, like options, whether you're vegan,

whatever, you can get something there.

And I just think they're doing great stuff for the communities.

What was it called again?

Schwarmaking.

Yeah.

After going to see a band.

Wow.

How do we keep up with Lilly Slay releases and upcoming shows?

Spell your name too.

Oh, it's Lilly Slay.

L-I-L-Y.

Yep.

S-L-A-Y.

And I'm going to be posting about them on social media.

Or I'm going out in person and I'm handing people physical flyers.

Because I'm trying to go, let's bring it back old school.

I think that we need to.

So I'm going to be, you'll find me out at a show near you,

handing out flyers.

We got about four minutes left.

We got time for one more song.

And this song is called limousine.

This song could get you on Jimmy Kimmelide.

You think so?

Yeah.

All right.

Yeah.

This one's about a guy who came up to me and said,

I'm allowed to say this.

Come to blow with me in my escalator.

And I'll get you on David Letterman.

And I didn't follow through with it.

But I wanted to write a song about that guy.

Because what's that guy up to now?

He's like a ton of guys in the music biz.

So that's for those guys.

All right.

I'm glad Philly's role.

I got mountains of dust.

We're going to fill your cup into it.

Overflowers.

Please, let me be y'all.

Limousine.

We got to get your prudatory face upon a magazine.

Every star think shines.

Shine for me.

You best be inclined to let me be y'all.

Limousine.

Meet the American attention span.

Turn the fat and form a better plan.

Maybe she's born with it.

Maybe it's Maybelline.

You got a shine on brightest in that big stampede.

Gotta see, oh, wait and oh, hold on.

Sign the line and then your button just sold.

I got champagne too.

I got mountains of blow.

We're going to get your music on a later late show.

Please, let me be y'all.

Limousine.

We got to get your prudatory face upon a TV screen.

Every star think shines.

Shine for me.

You best be inclined to let me be y'all.

Limousine.

Girls, you know you better watch out.

Some guys, some guys won't leave.

About that thing, that thing, that thing.

Maybe you got to get up on that couch if you want to land that part.

Please, let me be y'all.

Limousine.

We got to use your prudatory song.

It's like a slot machine.

Every star think shines.

Shine for me.

You best be inclined to let me be.

Well, I'm saving you a special seat.

Let me be y'all.

Limousine.

Thank you.

Yeah, Melissa.

Here you are.

Oh really.

Sleigh.

Thank you so much for having me.

This has been a wild experience.

I can't wait to come see you at the rig.

We have some great stuff coming up next weekend, Max in radio.

And we have John Faith, VO five guitars he is having their 20T

anniversary for VO5.

See the planets and stars, Jessica Linius and director Gina

Coyeco and live from the Mad City.

It's BAM.

It's been a great time.

We will see you next week, Lily.

Thank you so much.

Thank you so much to Bad Wolf and Beth Killy for coming in.

And we will see you next week.

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The Madison, Wisconsin-based quartet, Bad Wolf, they were formed in 1991 by singer-songwriter

and guitarist Charles Thomas. Bad Wolf became recognized for their electric brand of accessible,

melodic guitar-orientated rock and their second album original material, Sleeping Dawng's Lie,

was voted best local release. By the Wisconsin-states, journals, rhythm section.

Rob, do you remember the rhythm section? Is it like after the comics, like the rhythm section is like.

That's like 90s man. A few reunion shows happen in 2007 and 2008, but nothing solidified

again until Bad Wolf reunited for a musical celebration of the life for Kenny Gondzel Keith,

the singer from Metal Gond's Vinyl Thunder and Predator. This led to more rehearsals,

writing music and now a brand new Bad Wolf album called The Dotted Line. It's on the way.

It's an album completion party that takes place this coming Saturday, November 8th at the

Bolivar on Madison's far east side. Here to talk, Badass Blues and More is the whole Bad Wolf band.

Charles Thomas, Wade Otis, Rob Jolene and John Richardson. Welcome to magsync radio.

He's rocker. Yeah. We're all here and I heard the last time you guys were in radio interview

was in the 90s. What station was that and who were you interviewed by? It was at WMJB

in Jamesville and we were recording of that interview rocker that we'll never see the

last day. Oh no. It's a little interesting. What do you think that was? 96 maybe somewhere

in the 90s and probably still had cart machines. Let's just say we misbehaved. Talk right

into that microphone for me, will you? We misbehaved prior to the interview. And the content of

the interview is indicative of that and it's actually yeah in retrospect it's a little cringe

worthy. We're going to be on our best behavior. Oh well thank goodness you guys weren't doing

anything crazy before you got it or maybe we're I don't know. How does it feel to be back after

all these years? Honestly, sometimes it's a little surreal. We did not expect to be here doing

this again. But you know when we got back for Gonzo's celebration of life and playing the old

music and it rekindled these old friendships that you know we had you know it's not like we lost

each other or it hadn't been in contact at all but we weren't hanging out and just getting together

and rekindling those old friendships has been really rewarding. And you know to get to record

the great new material that Charles has written in a proper studio was something that I certainly

never thought I was going to be able to do in the rest of my time on this great good earth.

And I don't know how the other guys felt but you know our previous records were recorded with

dozens of dollars on you know basement quality equipment and the fact that they did as well as

they did is still surprising. And you know getting to record my real drums in a real studio at

Megaton with Paul Schlitter has been an absolute real man and working with Paul was absolutely

effortless. So what and you guys retain the original members? Yes. Because I mean a lot of times

like the only original member left over from band this old is like the road.

Yes we had we had there was an original bass player guitar or bass player a drummer and singer

in battle wolf. Oh really? And when John joined in 1993, 3, 3, 5, 4, anybody?

Something three. I joined in 1993. He joined in 1994. Okay so that really formed the nucleus

of the band and that's where they're really when we perform the most and as an original band we were

pretty lucky to be able to play as much as we did considering that we were doing mostly original

music. So that's pretty crazy because back in that time that was the golden age of bad wolf was

in the 90s right? And a lot of that stuff you guys are playing at bars that typically maybe had

cover bands. Yeah. So the fact that you were playing in a lot of those clubs like that with

original music is a testament right there. It is pretty crazy. Tell us about the golden age of

bad wolf in the 90s. I mean what was it like back then? Well the golden age of the golden age

was actually pretty brief for us. It was really just a few years but we left an adorable mark at

least in our brains and hopefully on the local music scene but you know the scene has definitely

changed quite a bit. We've all played in cover bands throughout the years and you know the cover

band scene is not quite what it was back then as far as the bigger clubs that you can play.

Magical scats. Right. You know those kinds of places but it seems like the scene back then was

less saturated that is now and you know if you look back five years ago during COVID I really

thought that there would never be any live music ever again and to just come back stronger than ever

there's more places to play than ever. Yeah. And it's really cool to see how much activity there

is out there in the live music scene. And the camaraderie of all the different bands that I've

gotten to know just in the last couple of years people I didn't know and it has changed. The people

are bend over backwards to help fillet musicians out. It's pretty cool. Now you're new album the

dotted line. It has a big bold sound. It was recorded at Make a Tone Studios with Paul Schluider.

Tell us about the album in the production. Well we got done with the Gonzo's celebration of

life. Okay well this is feeling really good. It feels like we should continue but what does that

mean? Do we want to go back out on the road and play a bunch of shows? I don't think so. And I

just said well what if I write an album and then we record it in a really good studio because we

never got a chance to do that. And what if we got vinyl because we never had a chance to do that?

Oh and that was where the dream started and then it was just a lot of work. We felt like

it was coming to an end and then that's when he was like Paul has for a minute and said I think we

should write a written album and we're all kind of shocked for a second and then it all sunk in

and we were ready. Tell me about putting out the vinyl. I mean it's a lot of bands are doing that

these days but is that one of the reasons why things are running late this year? Exactly. I wouldn't

say running late but it's crazy how vinyl has had this resurgence and now if you want to get

if your album is done and you send it off it's going to be like two months to get vinyl back.

So because they're running so far behind and we just said okay well we waited this long we

worked this hard we're gonna wait a little longer because it's worth it you know. Did you ever

think I could set tape? Maybe that was quicker. We can't get CDs back we'll have CDs back before

we'll have vinyl for sure. Yeah and it'll be on Spotify and all the usual streaming services like

even right now so you know the first one is waiting and again there's again if you put a song on

Spotify they're gonna hold you back like at least a month. Wow that's incredible not needing you

guys just put out a video as well. That's out there on YouTube. Tell us about the video.

The video is who's got the ball? I think it's John Stern to talk because he's out. We did that

Rob's house at that on the garage. Todd we're a true garage man. We had some great friends over there

that came out and we made a night of it had a cooler a couple of coolers of beer but Steve Fisher

was there as well helping out with the lights. Oh yeah. We had a great time with it and the concept

was all Charles and it went very well the people hanging out was nice and then product was kind

of fun to see. It's a great video. It's very on YouTube and there's links for that and we'll

have a bunch of that stuff for the November 8th. If you search for Bad Wolf Madison on YouTube you'll

find it. You got it. Yep. Well this coming Saturday November 8th is the Bad Wolf album completion

party at the Bolivard and I'm excited to hear a mix of your classic tunes and the new material.

Tell us about the show. November 8th coming down to Bolivard. We will be mixing it up a little

little bit also having special guest last guest Shelley from Shelley and Derek from

Pilot will be up and we're going to do it. Do it together some old stuff and a lot of people

do know our old stuff almost as good as we do. And it's going to be a mix of course the new stuff

and the old but we're going to do our entire album and it is going to be just a few people or

old songs here and they're stuck in between our new stuff. So it's going to be a new merchandise.

We got new dotted line t-shirts, our old school logo t-shirts, buttons buttons buttons. We have

beer cuisines and come on down and have a good time. It'll be fun. Yeah. So tell me what it was

like for you guys to kind of come back and reunite for for Gonzo. It was my Gonzo was a mentor of my

and I used to go down the book I in and hang out with him after hours and he would he was helping

me do scales back in the day. And I grew up a mile from the Hianny's book I wrote. So

Gonzo is my mentor and I just you know he always encouraged me and I was I just wanted to be that

guy that was a center of attention on stage. You know even though that's not my persona in life

but I'll tell you it's really an amazing thing to get back together for an unfortunate event but

Gonzo is looking down smiling and we were kind of almost the house band for Gonzo's

and it was it was meant to be in this whole I can put it that way. Yeah I just want to say too.

Gonzo is so generous to us when we were first starting out I mean we were a mostly original band

here in Madison and we opened that bar I called him and I'm like you know you do want to book

this original band and he was just so welcoming and so nice to us that place really was our

our sort of home base as far as gigging back in those days. Wow that's an incredible story.

Charles, Rob, Wade and John thank you so much for coming down to the studio tonight to talk

about your upcoming battle of album party and we really appreciate it and wish you the best

on your new musical journey. Thank you Riker. You're coming back here before we go tell us about

this new song we just got it's called Badass Blues. What I like about it is it's sort of imagining

a guy who looks like he's really tough and really you know scary but at no point in the song does

it ever say that anything about him is true it's all just sort of rumors this person said this

and I heard a guy say this and they say this so it's sort of like what if you walked your life

looking really scary but maybe it maybe that wasn't actually the case and people were just sort of

spreading rumors about how scary you were so it's about Lenny maybe someone eminence front wow

hey let's check it out this is brand new bad wolf this is Badass Blues you're listening to

Maxing Radio we are local music

made another jacket

I fear the jet black hair don't look at me in the eye you'd best be aware yeah rumours going round

the town his danger is he'll take you down that man is honest don't and he don't care

yeah this is not getting his way I need such what they say

that is the house from his cow or hat down to his snake skin boots

he ride that horse on my way come on the house

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You found Wisconsin's local music authority. This is MagSync Radio. We are local music.

Lily Slay is the Southern Bell paradox meets Midwest hot mess. She cut her teeth playing

music in Charleston, South Carolina in 2010 and performing as an acoustic duo with the

and also with the band Royal Tinfoil. With members from Milwaukee to Fort Lauderdale,

they were recognized throughout the region as slingers of rock Americana, garage blues, dumpster

pop and plough mud party jazz debauchery. I love that. I just love that whole sentence.

About a year after the pandemic lockdown, Lily packed up her wigs and her kazoo and she moved

to Milwaukee to escape the heat and try on a new city for size here in the WMDX studio on

state street with Southern sarcasm and sincerity. Please welcome Lily Slay to live in the mad city.

Hi, rocker. Thank you so much for having me. Thank you for driving out here from Milwaukee.

Oh, yeah. How does your Southern charm like our Northern winters? Oh my gosh, I love it.

Because you look like you have a pretty good snow tan. Thank you. Yeah. Well, like I said, you

mentioned I came up with my bag of tricks and my bag of wigs and no one likes wearing a wig

in the humidity in the heat in the south. I do I do already up here. Oh, that's nice. That's a

good thing to know. That's a tip. We're going to mark that down. Yes. We have a lot to talk about

tonight, but let's start off with your backstory. Who is Lily Slay and how did you get started playing

music? Oh, gosh. I mean, I feel like who is Lily Slay? We're going to we're going to really dig into it.

I want to say I was raised in Northern Virginia and I started playing music. I started playing

cello in elementary school and then I kind of started sneaking self teaching myself playing guitar.

My dad my dad played guitar. He was also self-taught, but I don't think my mom was really into it.

I think she was really excited for me to stick with classical music. So it became a way for me

to rebel a little bit. Stick with classical music? Yeah. Yeah. With with the cello and I actually

ended up playing when we were forming our acoustic duo. I would pull the end pin out of my cello

all the way and I would play it like an upright day. Nice. Yeah. So we actually got to we weren't

really a cello band, but we got to like open for Rasputina and stuff like that because

they thought we were a cello band. I was like, sort of. I can do like one, you know, like just a dink,

nothing to fancy on there anymore. Oh, nice. Now Lily Slay, that's your real name. That is

in a stage name. No, no. No identity thefts, please. No, but it is true. And I feel like I make

the distinction because according to the kids, it's already passe. Yeah. Slay is no longer cool.

So I'm trying to not be cringe. And I'm like, listen, I was born, born with this name actually

on my birth certificate. They couldn't decide my name. So my name on my birth certificate was

baby girl slay. That was the rough draft. Wow. And so, but yeah, so if I've had a few people tell me

if I ever do hip hop, it's going to be baby girl slay for sure. Nice. Well, let's get to live

music from the mad city with Lily Slay, presented by the Aaron Weber group. The first song you have

for tonight, it is called news. Tell us about this song before you play. This is a song that I did

with the Royal Tinfoil. It's off our second album, Feed These Demons, which you can get streaming

almost anywhere. And it's the news is about capitalism and the absurdity of bootstrap theory.

It's just about how it's impossible to get ahead when you are live in paycheck to paycheck.

All right, let's check it out. This is Lily Slay. You're listening to Maxing

Radio. We are local music.

Young boy, I take your place. You gotta live to need that. So just pay stock. So you gotta turn

the fuck to gaze ever. Rose, you smell is the time you wait. Young boy, get in line.

Don't hesitate or you'll fall behind all the sweetest grapes. They turn the wine and they drop

a lot as I divide. Say you're my prayers and lay your dues. Just ignore that certain

man behind the curtain door. Oh, it's a pistol at you. And it man can survive on an idea and a dime.

Look the more you struggle, the more air you lose when you wear your bootstrap. I can't lose.

I can't lose.

Young girl, say you're vows. Because the kingdom's keys are wet and down every

Q.D. Cage is a honey crown, but not meek and every the frozen ground.

Say you're my prayers and lay your dues. Just ignore that certain man behind the curtain door.

Oh, it's a pistol at you. And it man can survive on an idea and a dime.

Look the more you struggle, the more air you lose when you wear your bootstrap. I can't lose.

I can't lose.

Oh, it's a pistol at you. And it man can survive on an idea and a dime.

Say you're my prayers and lay your dues. Just ignore that certain man behind the curtain door.

Oh, the man, stay out of sight. You know you snow more. You ain't got no fight.

Toothless doggy cannot fight you. But I know but I'll be right.

Say you're my prayers and lay your dues. Just ignore that certain man behind the curtain door.

Oh, it's a pistol at you. And it man can survive on an idea and a dime.

But the more you struggle, the more air you lose, you got the floor beneath your butt.

Oh, it's a pistol at you. And it man can survive on an idea and a dime.

Say you're my prayers and lay your dues. Just ignore that certain man behind the curtain door.

Lily slay live from the mad city right here on max in Gradio. Hey, rocker, she can sing.

Oh, man, cow. The Midwest is killing me a little with the four-stair heat, though.

My voice, man, I'm telling you, I'm going to that's the first thing I'm looking for the next

department I get is radiator, baby. Oh, yeah. Wow. Yeah. Who knew? Tell us about your band,

the royal tin foil and the Charleston music scene. Where did you come from?

Well, I moved to Charleston when I was like 17 and I didn't have a legal guardian and no one

would really hire me. So I just started playing the open mics and trying to make music that way.

And eventually put an ad. This is such an old-fashioned sentence. I put an ad on Craigslist.

And I said, I want to play music with somebody I want to do an acoustic duo and I don't want to play

John Jack or Dave. I said, I don't want to play John Mayer. Jack Johnson or Dave Matthews.

And I got so much hate mail, y'all. No, no offense. It's fine if that's what you like. It just

wasn't my bag and that's all I could find. And so I found Mackie Bowles who was like, he grew up

doing like bluegrass picking parties. So he's a little bit country. I was a little bit rock and roll,

you know, the routine. And yeah, so we formed an acoustic duo and that evolved in so many permutations.

And eventually became a five-piece rock band. And the Charleston music scene is awesome.

Yeah. How would you compare it to like a Madison scene? Is it a lot of original music there?

There's a lot of original music. But there is, I mean, I'll say when I was there,

the scene encouraged a little bit more original music. And that what happens with a lot of cities

where the art scene, the art scene is thriving. Like Charleston's famous first food scene,

its art scene is that it attracts a lot of big tourists dollars and then it sort of turns into a

resort town. Right. And I think the resort test is, can your barista afford to live within 15 minutes

of where you get your coffee? Right. And if not, you live in a resort town. And which Charleston

happens? So although- Now you're a cover band. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Now, I mean, and no disrespect,

like I've done cover gigs and stuff like that before. But there's less room for that. There's

less room for innovation when artists can't live in the downtown scene when they are shoved out

to the suburbs. And I think that is a problem. And it happens in tons of cities. But I like

Milwaukee's because it's a little gritty still. It's a little, it's a little undiscovered. I see

people like, I wish people knew about Milwaukee more. And I'm like, shh, don't tell them.

I say the same thing. Yeah. Keep it secret because that's what, yeah, exactly.

Now talk about gaining the custody of your songs because you like you moved and your band

was playing tell us about that. I'm really, I was really joking when I'm using the word

custody. It's mostly true in some ways. It is true. I mean, as a drummer, right? Yeah. You're

always in a cover band. Everybody's even a rich music. It's still a cover to you. I mean, I'll say

are the drummers that I've had were we're heavily a part of the composition when like I'd bring them

a song seed. And then it would we would do the the improv comedy thing. We say yes and and build

build something together. And so yeah, my my drummers have come up with a lot of awesome stuff for me.

But but I don't know. It's that I am branching into a lily slay project. And so I've got this huge

arsenal of songs. And I've got an album I'm working on remotely in Charleston with the

with the Royal Tinfoil. And then I've got an album I want to do a solo album. And we got to figure

out which songs go where? And so that's all right. That's really the only. Oh, yeah. Yeah, we got

that's good. What's what's the brand? So it's amicable. It's amicable. This isn't a big thing.

But yeah, but as a drummer, even if you even if you write a song, right? Yeah. Well, if you go

to another band, it's not like you bring that song with you. And if you if you get royalty,

if you're smart, you do. Like you can get the flat fee up front or you can continue to. Yeah,

you're investing in your. But I mean, you're not going to play it in another band probably.

Probably. That's true. Yeah. Hey guys, I got a great idea for.

What made you decide to leave Charleston? Oh gosh. So my husband was looking at grad schools.

He's getting his chemistry doctorate, which he's he's a huge smarty pants. And he was looking at

schools for 2022. And he saw somebody tweet that UW Milwaukee really needed chemistry majors.

And he was like, how do you feel about Milwaukee? And it was like, uh, half of my band used to be

from Milwaukee. Oh, and I love Milwaukee. And if you had to ask me to move anywhere across the

country with you, it was fine. And honestly, I think I was just ready. Like after the pandemic,

I was like, I sensed a shift in the air. You know, like, I was like, there's change on the breeze.

Like, let's do this. Let's try something different. Yeah.

Oh, so, uh, we'll tell us about your journey from South Carolina to Wisconsin.

Um, I mean, not like literally the journey was was a nightmare because all the

rooms were like completely in disrepair from the pandemic. Um, but, uh, yeah, I got, I got here.

And it took me a few years to really cut my teeth. And I started meeting really cool people

in the scene by like volunteering with music organizations. And I'm really just starting to

kind of not start from scratch, but put my solo name out there.

Now we heard a song that you just played and had a kazoo. And you're wearing your kazoo in a

harmonica, um, mount. Yes. And I heard that one time you had almost a terminal problem with a

kazoo. Yeah. Um, so kazoo is that buzzing noise. You can make a, you know, a kazoo, but or

approximation of it by holding like wax paper across a comb. Have you done that before? Yeah.

Yeah. So that's what that's what's inside of kazoo is a little disc of wax paper. And one time I was

like taking a big breath and the wax paper disc from the kazoo flew right into my trick. It's

the perfect size. I like a terrible coughing fit on stage. But now what I do is I trick them out.

And there's these little, uh, plastic, uh, discs inside the top of a soda bottle. And I get those

out and I trim them down. And it gives it like a nice beefy kazoo buzz. Wow. So y'all inside,

I don't modify kazoo. I don't get keep my kazoo trickery. That's how I make it.

Well, let's get back to live music from the Mad City with Lily Slay presented by the Aaron

Weber group. The next song you have for us today, it's called Get Inside. I mean, this has got to be

about mental illness. It is. I mean, uh, in a, in a jovial and lighthearted way. And that's kind

of what I mean about Southern bless your heart kind of sarcasm. But, uh, I'll just, I'll just say I

preface this song by saying, I'm not a risk to myself or others. So y'all can, we can all relax.

Dead inside, this is Lily Slay, you're listening to live from the Mad City on Maxing Radio.

David, David, David, I'm dead inside. Half of my mind with this and be alive. Press my hand down on the

stove, savor in the pain until I let it go. Baby, baby, baby, don't come my way. Sleeping next to me is like

you're in a grave, you can see your breath beneath your nose. Baby, baby, baby, I got a heart of stone.

Wish there was a demon that I could confess but you have to help us all for you to be possessed.

And I'm dead inside, and in love I haven't left, ran dry, and the tears won't come out.

I'm still too numb to cry. Baby, I'm dead inside.

Baby, baby, baby, I loved you then. But simple if I ran adrenaline, but my eyes will tear, I'll start to choke.

If I try to wrap my hands around the smoke, baby, baby, baby, it's all a lie. Can't you see the grimace underneath my smile, you can not be loved by what's deceased.

Baby, baby, baby, let me rest in peace. Feel my body slowly slipping to the black with you after I've never had a tag, and I'm dead inside.

You can't see it behind my eyes, so don't drop your gun if you look too hard you'll die.

I can almost feel the sunlight on my face, the tender warmth of your embrace, the way your kisses used to taste.

But baby, it was always a girl who's frozen and preserved. It's so much less than you deserve, and I can't bear to cause you pain.

But it's ice water in my veins.

Don't you know that I'm dead inside, and in love I have less friends, right?

Can't you see the grimace underneath my smile, you can't bear to cause you pain.

Drop your gun if you look too hard you'll die.

Lily, slay, live from the bad city in her kazoo right here on Maxing Radio.

That is awesome. I love that kazoo. Thank you. Being a plus sized female artist is a big part of your stage persona and songwriter identity.

Along with the wigs, there's makeup, and you are a licensed cosmetologist.

Correct. Talk about creating your stage persona.

One thing about me is that I am neurodivergent, just a whole array of my brain works in different ways from other people.

I think that I did kind of, we had like a party band persona with the Royal Tinfoil, but as I, and that was pretty authentic to me at the time.

But as I get older, I, I party less, and I'm just wholeheartedly authentic on stage, off stage.

I don't really know how to put on an act very well, so kind of, I'm not going to win any, any Oscars, any Tonies.

This is what you get. Persona, on off stage, that's me.

And what struggles are roadblocks do you experience as a plus size, a feel mineral artist?

Well, I'd say it's a mixed bag. You get it on both ends, so you get people who are like, oh, you know, if you really took your music career seriously, then you would lose weight.

Or people who are like, I can't imagine that you experience anti-fat bias because look at Adele and look at Lizzo, and they'll name the exceptions to the role.

Not like the president, and I'm like, yeah, you know, it doesn't change that we, we do get that in the industry, in any industry.

You know, for people earn less money, we experience medical bias, and so my, the way I get around it is, again, just like aggressive authenticity.

Like, this is who I am, what I'm about, and, and I mean, I can't hide it. You're going to see it when you see me anyway, so, you know, might as well.

But how do you get around those roadblocks?

Yeah, just, you say authenticity, but I mean, I mean, there's, there's anything, nothing in particular really comes to mind other than, like, I do, I do talk about it, I guess, you know, when I experience a roadblock, I tell people about it, you know, I'll explain, hey, this happened to me at this venue, or I don't think I'm going to play here again because of this, this thing that I experienced as a woman or as a fat person.

That, you know, I wasn't, I felt discriminated against, or wasn't accommodated, and you know, that's how people, people catch wind of these things, and hopefully it'll help somebody else avoid the experience that I went through, and that's really what it's about for me.

And you moved with your wigs.

Yes.

Why do you wear so many wigs?

So I have an androgenic alopecia, and as part of why I am a fat woman, I have polycystic ovary syndrome, and it caused me to have a specific kind of hair loss.

And I think in the spirit of being like, hey, I'm a fat person, and I'm not afraid of this, or I'm not scared of it.

I was like, I started to see my scalp under stage lights, and when I would sweat, and I was like, I'm tired of hiding this.

So I just show, I have a buzz cut, and I like to wear wigs, and I even went to school for it, because I just think it's really fun to play with your identity, and, and it's a form of expression, especially when you, maybe the fashion industry doesn't cater to you very well.

I can always use makeup to express myself.

Wow. Well, let's get back to live music from the man said he was lily slay presented by the Aaron Weber group.

The next song you have for us today, it's called Bad News.

Will this be an experience with your southern sarcasm?

A little bit. Yeah. How could you tell?

Yeah, so this is just when, when I think I terrify men a little bit sometimes, maybe it's, you know, my, my brazenness.

So I just wanted to write a song about how I'm a big, bad scary lady.

Wow. All right. Bad news. You're listening lily slay live from the Mad City on Maxing Radio.

But they make it your girls and an assembly line.

And I'm missing any parts like in this heart of mine.

And drive the knife to make it hard in line.

Like a prison sentence to that girl's bad news.

A shallow grave that isn't marked with stone.

So just stay dirty there until cover upon bones.

Hound the flame up to the powder cake.

Like a burning fuse.

That girl's bad news.

I can tell that you want to play.

But you can't stay away.

Like a north to a light.

You cannot see when the tide is low.

The final wave inside the undertone.

Like an ass shoved down a bottle neck.

Sat to dream the ocean blue.

That girl's bad news.

Like a prison sentence to that girl's bad news.

Like a prison sentence to that girl.

That girl's bad news.

Like a prison sentence to that girl.