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Max Ink Radio · Sat Oct 4, 2025

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Looking home, there'll be a lot of days going on. I can't even find one. The heart is cold and we'll always be dead. We'll love our hell and I don't know.

We're almost soothing and sorting it all. Seem so pouring and so fall. Keeps me alive. Was it all just pretending or were we just spending our lives more than wine?

My life is unsure and how could you ignore the need? No, but the life. And the life you remember, it's only severed my eyes. Trust you know.

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Oh, now let me out. Now hold on to me. Oh, now take away the things I don't need. Oh, wow, wow, wow, wow.

Oh, I'll take my final breath. Hope you're not leaving home. You're all that I have left.

There's a need. There's a soul. There's a way to carry on. There's a whisper in my breath for you. All I need is what I need.

Yeah, what I said. Oh, now let me out. Now hold on to me. Oh, now take away the things I don't need. Oh, wow, wow, wow.

Oh, I'll take my final breath. Hope you're not leaving home. You're all that I have left.

There's a need. There's a soul. There's a way to carry on. There's a whisper in my breath for you. All I need is what I take.

Yeah, what I said. Oh, now let me out. Now hold on to me.

Oh, now take away the things I don't need. Oh, wow, wow, wow. Oh, I'll take my final breath.

Hope you're not leaving home. You're all that I have left. Oh, now let me out. Now hold on to me.

Oh, now take away the things I don't need. Oh, wow, wow, wow. Oh, I'll take my final breath.

Hope you're not leaving home. You're all that I have left. Oh, now leave home. You're all that I have left.

Hope you're not leaving home. You're all that I have left.

The Lord of Fifth, that is hope. And that was recorded up the up north bar. And before that, let's go back, Jane, what was that song before that?

Yeah, the last good bye. And the Lord fifth, they're going to be playing Friday, October 10th at the Harmony bar with Derek Ramney race. And Derek is, of course, from old old soul society.

That's going to be pretty cool. Show 9 p.m. Friday, October 11th, the Lord fifth. I'm rocker here with Jane. Hello, you are listening to Max zinc radio. We're waiting for Terry bar to come in a little later on because we have a really killer show for you tonight.

Dr. Scott Bond, he's going to be on the phone with us 630 p.m. And he is an expert on serial killers. And in the spirit of Halloween coming up, I thought we'd Halloween.

It's perfect to talk to him. I want to talk to him about some of the homegrown serial killers that we have right now.

Yeah, I mean, we're like, you know, we're the poster child for serial killer in Wisconsin. We California took that title from us, I think, but I think we got it back.

But we have the most famous ones. True. You know, we have the most famous ones. And we're going to hear like, well, we know we're going to ask him, like, why are people fascinated and why women are fascinated with serial killers and crime shows?

Yes, definitely a thing. You wouldn't think it's a thing on first land, but it's definitely a thing. It's a thing. And we're going to hear all about it. Dr. Scott Bond, 630 p.m. tonight.

And then later tonight, Tony Castanita, the Latin jazz king here in Madison, he's been around for a couple of decades and over 20 years, I'm going to be interviewing him.

Oh, boy, that's going to be really cool. We'll talk to Tony Castanita. And then lying from the man city tonight, we have a really special band here, a horse green.

And they're an amazing band from Oshkosh, four piece kind of, you know, I've been saying, if Prince moved to Oshkosh and joined a jam band, it would be horse green.

So they're, they're really good. And tonight we'll also hear new music from Madison Uphoff. She'll actually be here playing in.

Oh, when?

Coming up this, I want to say December 13th.

Well, that's a few, that's a few months out. Well, we'll look forward to it.

Yeah, we have some new music from her. I also queued up some Chakari Deshary from last week from live from the man city.

I have a song from her that we'll listen to in case we missed it last week.

Oh, yeah, you, you did not want to miss that. Let me tell you. Yeah.

I mean, I literally felt like I was on the voice.

You know, listening to her sing and her voice was just so pure and amazing.

We want to share that around. And Richie, it's a song about pizza. What?

I don't even know what's going on.

Yeah, it's a very funny story. You're going to hear about that. I'm going to tell it now or later.

No, no, we'll hear later when we play the song, but we're going to hear Richie song about pizza.

And then in case you missed last week, too, we have a new song from Trapper Shep, his own song.

So hopefully we can catch a little more than lyrics and figure out the connection to Ozzy.

And the ghost particles, we're going to play Ghost particles,

and tribute of Dave Benton, who is also in the rosers, water dogs, Spooner,

Man City Music owner from 1986 to 2007. He passed away.

Oh, that was his place. I had no idea. Yeah.

Yes. Yes. So I will play a little bit of that and check him out.

Let's see. Them coolly boys. Can you tell me where is them coolly boys playing?

Are they playing around? Yeah. Them coolly boys are going to be at the high noon saloon.

They also on October 10th. So you're going to have to decide between those two gigs.

Oh, man. They're going to be at the high noon with Sleeping Jesus.

Sleeping Jesus. Well, they could be awake Jesus, but it's sleeping Jesus.

He's going to wake up in three days. Don't worry about it.

Well, let's check out them coolly boys of this next song. It's called Up Close.

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You know I love the way you look up.

Yeah.

Oh, me too. If I were here, I'd want to lose my mind again.

You know I find it when it's time to go.

On to your bail, let's make the mess.

I'm in comfort totally close. You know I have a wrap on floor with snow.

You know I love the way you look up, boys.

I'm going to close. I need you, boy. I need you.

I need you. I need you.

You know I have a wrap on floor with snow.

Yeah.

We can't see you me.

You're scared on conscience, on the count of three of you.

We gotta go the way you look up.

As you are, it's out here.

Close my eyes and count till you know I love it.

When you head home,

You know I love the way you look up.

Hey, this is Sims from Harmonia's Whale and the Midwest Gypsy Swing Fest.

And you are listening to Max Ink Radio.

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It's the coolest.

Thirty days out on the road.

Thirty nights away from home.

Now I've gone beyond the pain,

searching for my holy breath.

Another day, another time.

No one you know is coming wrong.

Worse the question, if you lose,

Is the truth still worth the screws?

When the road goes, you'll come home.

Within nights go to the phone.

And the world becomes wrong.

When the road goes, you'll come home.

When the road goes to the phone,

You'll come home.

When the road goes, you'll come home.

With the whole fire's burning bright in the quiet moonlight.

I'm dreaming of that yellow light.

Can you hear that lonesome wholesome vibe?

But I'm just yet to catch my breath.

Knowing of what life is ahead.

The sound of music saves the day.

Can I play now when I play?

When the road goes, you'll come home.

When the night goes, you'll come home.

When the road goes, you'll come home.

Beyond the pale, that is harmonious whale.

That rhymes.

Beyond the pale by harmonious whale.

I don't even know it.

I had to go there.

Harmonious whale.

They're going to be playing at the North Street cabaret coming up on Saturday, October 11th at 8 p.m.

It's the Harmonious whale quartet.

That's going to be pretty cool.

It's going to be with Scott LaVanca.

They often play with Chris Wagner as well on fiddle.

I wonder if he'll be there that night.

That's pretty cool.

They're also going to be playing...

Oh, that's the gig that they're playing here in Madison.

That's what you really want to go see.

North Street cabaret, October 11th.

You know, Maggie Sims bought off.

She is Delaney Potter.

I'm sorry.

Maggie plays a cardboard box.

Did you know that?

Like, as a drum or what?

Right.

She plays it with a pair of brushes like jazz.

Oh, cool.

She's always got a new instrument, right?

She plays the box and he plays the mandolin.

He's a world-class Sims Delaney Potter.

He's your husband.

He's a world-class mandolin player.

It's just unbelievable.

We've had him in the studio.

We're trying to get him back in the studio.

As you should.

I love...

We love encoreers here.

That's totally amazing.

They probably have some new songs out by now.

Yeah.

I mean, if you can play the buckets on the street and make money off it,

I'm sure you can play the box.

How about the Marimba player outside?

Oh, yeah.

I've been watching him since I got here.

He has a regular out there.

Yeah.

He did the entirety of Dance Macabre,

and I just couldn't keep track of the times I was listening to him do that whole thing.

Transcribe a single Marimba, the whole piece.

The long piece, too.

Wow.

Yeah.

I've heard him play Shine on You Crazy Diamond and Black Sabbath of Warpings.

I mean, on the Marimba, it's pretty crazy.

Right in front of the Orvature Center, because, of course,

we're above State Street at the WMDX studios right here on 92-7 FM in Madison.

We get to see all kinds of funky stuff happening on State Street on Saturday night

from our insulated seats in the window.

Oh, yeah.

These do get the best views in the 608 right here.

You never know what's happening.

We have a great, a great interview coming up around the corner.

Dr. Scott Bond.

He's going to be talking to us about serial killers.

He's a criminologist, a producer, a belt-selling author,

and an expert on serial killers.

Great Scott.

Yeah.

Great Scott.

Dr. Bond.

We'll hear from him.

Tony Caston, the eight of later tonight in Life in the Man City.

Horace Green.

They're out in Madison, wandering around on State Street.

Yeah.

Hopefully they went to Michelangelo's, like I told them to.

That's right.

We still have plenty of stuff coming up tonight.

Right now, Madison Uphoff.

She is going to be playing right here.

Do we have a gig on Madison Uphoff?

I can't see one right away.

Well, she's going to be playing here.

And we'll have plenty of time to preview here.

But she's sent in a song.

And I thought we'd take a listen.

This is Four Corners.

Madison Uphoff.

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It's the death of a guy.

Left with its starving reporter.

Crooked a kill.

Saint to swarm.

No doubt can interfere.

A wired will.

This well worn.

Talk to turn from the storm.

Read your arms of the troubled ones.

It's cleaner to leave than to score.

And nothing you've ever raised.

Goes unmarked.

Nothing you've ever praised.

Counting.

Stay this far.

And you realize your life can be broken down.

And the four Corners you've never known.

It's the circle.

And you're a born man.

It's a funeral of a sign of heroes.

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Welcome to Wisconsin's local music scene.

This is Max Ink Radio.

We are local music.

Hey everybody, welcome back to Max Ink Radio.

I'm rocker here with Jane.

Hello.

On the phone with us, we have a very special guest.

You know, Halloween is coming.

And of course, you know, everybody dresses up

like one of their favorite serial killers, right?

Right.

Criminal, criminologist, producer, bestselling author

and serial killer expert, Dr. Scott Bond,

has profiled, corresponded with and interviewed

some of the most infamous killers of all time,

including Ted Bundy and Jeffrey Dahmer.

Scott provides insights into the motivations, fantasies

and compulsions of infamous serial killers

and explains the differences between psychopaths

and sociopaths.

It's something I really need to know, right?

On the phone with us right now is author, bestselling book,

Why We Love Serious Killers,

The Curious Appeal to the World's Most Savage Murderers

is Dr. Scott Bond.

Scott, welcome to Max Ink Radio.

Well, thank you for having me on.

It's great to be here.

Did you get off the road, okay?

Yes, I did.

I pulled over on the side of the road.

Yay.

Oh, per me.

I'm all yours.

Where are you right now in the world?

Well, I'm in peak skill in New York.

I'm actually doing my one-man show,

serial killers with Dr. Scott Bond here tomorrow night,

right here in peak skill in New York.

Awesome.

I will be talking about that in a minute.

Scott, did you grow up watching horror movies on Saturday nights?

Yes, and not just Saturday nights.

Sometimes Friday nights and Thursday nights too.

I knew it.

It had to be that way.

Well, Scott, tell us your backstory.

I mean, who is Scott Bond?

And how did he get started as an author

and an expert on serial killers?

Well, I started, you know, it's interesting

because I come at this from both the criminal logical perspective

as well as the media perspective.

And my dad was a radio DJ.

He's passed away.

But he was also involved in television in the news.

He was a local audio engineer in Cleveland, Ohio.

And so I sort of grew up, you know,

in and around media, in and around news.

And I was always fascinated by broadcasting.

I was always fascinated by human behavior.

Why people did what they did.

And yes, to answer your question.

I love monster movies.

And I was always drawn to the monsters

who seemed to have some sort of a human appeal.

And we would have.

I'm sorry, so it had a distraction.

And who had some sort of a human aspect to them.

And human characteristics that you could identify with.

Like, for example, King Kong,

the misunderstood gorilla,

the misunderstood vampire.

And I just thought that I thought that these individuals,

you know, monsters,

but with human qualities were fascinating.

So later on,

I got into media myself initially in New York City.

And I was involved with the news operation for a while at NBC Television Network in New York.

And during the 90s.

And it was there that I saw how cases like OJ Simpson,

the Menendez brothers,

Johnny Versace murder,

and of course Jeffrey Dahmer,

became larger than life and how these individuals

that I came to call celebrity monsters

would just dominate the airways.

And after 9-11,

I left the advertising field.

And I went on a personal journey,

interested in studying justice and criminology.

Got a PhD.

And I became a college professor.

And it was there that I,

I began studying serial killers.

And the whole thing just sort of came together for me,

because as I saw how Jeffrey Dahmer,

Ted Bundy and some of the individuals that we've been talking about

have become these like iconic symbols of evil in our society.

And I was fascinating by why they did what they did.

And I was also fascinated by why we seem to be compelled by them.

Now, Ted Bundy, Ed Geen, Jeffrey Dahmer.

What's the biggest myth about serial killers that you debunk?

One of the things that I do in my presentation,

as you said, is I debunk a number of myths about serial killers.

And the one that stands out as probably the most important

and profound is the fact that serial killers are not one size fits all.

They are not all the same.

They're not all look and act like the Buffalo Bill character

in Silence of the Lamb.

That's often a stereotype that I get.

They come in every race, ethnicity, gender, IQ, social status.

You name it.

But there is one and only one thing that unites all of them.

And that is a fantasy based obsession to kill

that becomes a visceral hunger inside of them that beckons.

And after years and years of nurturing it and fantasizing about it,

only a killing of a complete stranger will safeiate that hunger, that need.

And that is the only thing that unifies them.

And so the popular myth is always sex, sex, and more sex.

And they all look and act the same.

That's just absolutely not true.

Wow.

Is there a story that comes to mind as fascinating that you learned

about some of our homegrown serial killers here in Wisconsin,

like Ed Giener, Jeffrey, Jeffrey Dahmer?

Well, Jeffrey Dahmer, certainly.

Well, Ed Gien, you know, he was really better known, I would say,

as a body snatcher.

Yeah.

Technically, he was a serial killer.

Technically, he was because he killed two women.

Oh, I thought he only killed one.

It was two.

Two women, two women.

Yeah.

And so technically, according to the FBI's definition,

at least that would make him a serial killer.

But as we said, he's really better known as a grave robber

and body snatcher.

But what I was going to say, Dan, to your question,

is really more about Dahmer.

And Dahmer falls into a particular type of category, subcategory of serial killer,

which is known as a hedonist lust killer.

And in Jeffrey Dahmer's sadly twisted mind,

he truly believed that he loved these 17 young men

that he ultimately killed.

And his goal was try to actually keep them alive.

He's experimented with all the bizarre, terrible ways of trying to keep them alive,

including drilling holes in their head and filling their heads with detergent and bleach

and things like this.

But he was trying to create a sex rate.

He was trying to actually create a living sex zombie.

But in his mind, once again, he actually believed he loved these men.

So when they ultimately died and they did die, he thought to himself,

is there a way that I can possibly keep them with me forever

because they mean everything to me.

And that's where he came up with the cannibalism.

He believed that if he ingested them, digested them,

that they would become part of him and be with him forever.

So that was truly his motivation.

And that was his motivation, both in killing, as well as in cannibalism.

Why does Wisconsin have so many?

Well, you know, it's they have several of the most well-known.

But in terms of just per capita, probably long island New York has more.

Pizza California, huh?

Yeah, that's what I was thinking California, but I guess I was wrong.

You got you got Robert Schulman.

You got Joel Rifkin.

You got the Long Island serial killer that I was very involved in that case,

profiling the you know, the unknown killer at that point,

who now allegedly at least is Rex Herman.

So yeah, Long Island actually has more than its fair share.

So, but yeah, Wisconsin certainly does have a couple of the,

you know, if there was a Mount Rushmore of the,

probably a couple of them would be up there.

Oh, man.

Why is the public fascinated with serial killers?

Why do we make them famous?

I mean, is this like shot in front?

Yeah, well, you know, this, this, this why I'm hoping people when I,

we know I do come to your area now.

It's March 4th of next year that people will come out and see the show

because I spend probably most of the time in the evening talking about this.

And serial killers, what I believe is they appeal to our empathy.

I believe that we humans are empathetic creatures,

and we are drawn to both the good and the bad and the world,

the dark and, you know, the light and the good and evil.

But it seems so many times that we're particularly drawn almost like

moths to the flames, the things that are larger than life

and could do us harm and even kill us.

And there are people who are drawn to, you know, following storms and tsunamis

and then earthquakes.

Others are fascinated by great white sharks.

We have, we have a shark week on the Discovery Television Network every year.

Well, that's what we also have a serial killer week on the oxygen network every year.

And so I actually say, and this is something right out of my presentation,

but I believe that a serial killer like Jeffrey Dahmer actually has three things

in common with another predator in nature, the great white shark.

And the three things are that they are both extremely rare, extremely exotic,

and deadly.

And in the case of Jeffrey Dahmer, he also ate people.

Oh, wow.

Oh, that's, that's crazy.

Who's the bigger demographic of followers of serial killers, men or women?

By far women, 75 to 80% of my audience, everywhere that I go to speak,

is comprised of women.

And my friends at the various television networks that program only true crime,

like investigation, discovery, and oxygen tell me that the audience is exactly the same,

75 to 80% women.

And I think a lot of it has to do, once again, with the empathy factor,

emphasizing with the victims, also seeking to understand the predator.

And in most of these shows, 48 hours, 2020, date line, and all the podcasts,

more often than not, the abductee or the murdered victim is a woman.

And I think that women identify with that fact there, but for the grace of God,

you know, in the victims' shoes, and they want to understand the mind of the predator,

and in order to feel safe and secure.

I had a woman just the other night, actually, in Clayton, New York, say to me,

Scott, you know, the last thing that I want to do is become a victim of the next-pedd Bundy,

but I certainly don't want to date him or marry him either.

So give me some red flags, you know, tell me what I should be looking for.

So I think that need for safety and security, particularly strong for women.

Now, Dr. Scott Bond, author of the best-selling book, Why We Love Serial Colors,

the Curious Appeal of the World's Most Savage Murderers, where can we find your book?

Well, two ways.

One is that you can go just to Amazon.com and type in the title, Why We Love Serial Killers,

or go to my website, which is dot bond dot com, boc bonn dot com.

And it has information about my book, about my, I do a podcast periodically,

and I am touring the country, you know, with my one-man show,

and we'll be right there in medicine on March 4th.

March 4th.

Well, you know, one crazy thing that we realized is that if we switch your name around,

Barn Scott, that's the singer of AC DC, and they did a tune about a serial killer called Nightstalker.

How do you like that?

Yes, and they also did dirty deeds under chief.

Wow, that's awesome.

It's so true, you know, and I was, you know, and still am, the big AC DC fan.

So yeah, Bond Scott.

Perfect. Dr Scott Bond, thank you so much for taking the time to speak with us tonight.

We really appreciate it.

Absolutely. Thanks for having me.

We'll, we'll try and get you back on right before your show comes in March,

and we'll go through this again and have some fun.

Sounds good. Sounds good. Thank you so much.

All right, Scott. Thank you. We really appreciate it.

Well, hey, let's check out a song by the Sunspot Mike Hubert.

You know, he leads ghost tours around Madison.

That's also my high school band teacher's band, Ben Yeager.

Yes, Ben Yeager. That's correct.

And they did the song called the strangest frequency.

And you might remember that the frequency bar, which is now the gamma ray bar, that's wanted.

I know for sure. Oh, I've been in that green room plenty of times.

And I'm telling you strange stuff happens down there.

Let's listen to it right now. Sunspot, the strangest frequency.

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Some kind of wiretax from five beyond the map.

Somehow, this works the track between the waves.

Screening in the darkness, broadcasting out all the way.

Hoping to break through reality.

I'm a catapult that's suspended from the other side.

I heard you're on the strangest frequency.

Finding patterns in the static is automatic with all these choices.

So, featuregy, advanced technology is just a romance.

We're so white noise.

Screening in the darkness, broadcasting out all the way.

Hoping to break through reality.

I'm a catapult that's suspended from the other side.

I heard you're on the strangest frequency.

One, two, three.

Hello Kelly. Good bye Jack. Hello Betty.

I'm back to black we've got.

So box on insecurity in the eyes, bones, you and me.

And no camera, ain't no action.

My full mess, what's your reaction on?

BBC CCTV, no weed or six on nicotine.

I got a chip, chip on my shoulder.

It's now a bolder now that I got sober.

I got a, get, get my, together, a Minnesota with neat skin like leather.

Hello Kelly. Good bye Jack. Hello Betty.

I'm back to black we've got.

So box on insecurity in the eyes, bones, you and me.

It was a tough one. You said I was a rough one.

They said I am not freak. I'm a fool for thinking I was above all the rules.

Hello Kelly. Good bye Jack. Hello Betty.

I'm back to black we've got. So box on insecurity in the eyes, bones, you and me.

And the eyes, bones, you and me.

I saw you breaking the law, those blue caps,

I felt an all but, snitches, get stitches, I might be a fool.

But I won't be a bitchin' cause hello Kelly.

Good bye Jack. Hello Betty. I'm back to black we've got.

So box on insecurity in the eyes, bones, you and me.

I don't wanna be your plug. I don't wanna be your drug and I.

I don't wanna be your trapper, but I must admit I was a little flatter.

Hello Kelly. Good bye Jack. Hello Betty.

I'm back to black we've got. So box on insecurity in the eyes, bones, you and me.

And the eyes, bones, you and me.

Trappership, that is brand new from him.

And that is the eyes, bones from his album, eyes, bone.

And I'm rocker here with Jane. You're in the mean to maxing radio on a Saturday night.

Boy, that's a lot of fun. Oh yeah.

Dr. Scott Bond, one of my favorite interviews I've ever got to listen in on this show.

I mean that. I mean that. He was fun. That was really fun.

We'll get him on again sometime.

Oh, Jane, you picked out this next song. It's called pizza is love by an artist just named Richie.

Yeah, and it has a very funny story behind it. So I know like Horace Green.

We're probably tried to go to Michelangelo's right now.

So this story takes place at Michelangelo's. So I was there. I was studying one day.

And you know by the bathrooms, there's this big bulletin board.

Yeah, where people can put stuff up. And there was one piece of paper on the bulletin board.

It was just a piece of paper with a picture of a guy in a pizza costume.

And a QR code.

A pizza costume.

Yes, a pizza costume.

Okay.

And a slice.

Yes, like a slice of pizza, yes.

Okay.

And a QR code right below it.

And it was just amazing to see.

There's just completely no contact whatsoever.

Just a guy in a pizza costume and then a QR code.

So I scanned the QR code.

And I found this song.

Pizza is love.

That's what it led me to.

And it turns out it's really, really, really good.

Like you'd be surprised.

Sounds like you was auditioning for Porky's group machine.

That sounds like a costume that would be in Porky's.

They've got a hot dog and they've got a unicorn.

And geez, they need a piece of pizza.

Yeah, but that was the artist in the pizza costume on that.

Even as a little music video for it, I saw on YouTube.

And he has the costume on in the video.

So Richie.

Richie, yeah.

He's like, you know, Prince or Lamy or Madonna.

Yeah, he doesn't need a last name, which is Richie.

Richie.

He speaks for himself.

He's recognizable by his last name.

First name.

His non last name.

Well, cool.

Well, let's check this out.

Richie.

Pizza is love.

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