Talking on all political subjects and taking on all callers, this is Matt Flynn direct
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Welcome back to the second hour of Matt Flynn direct coming to you live statewide on Civic
Media. Our lines are open 844-967-2789. No subject is off limits and all points of
you are welcome. Go right to the lines. Tutor Billy, my friend, thanks for calling. Tutor
Billy and Madison, what's in your mind today?
Matt, this discussion you're having about the Republican Party makes me think about, you
know, I'm always amazed at how politicians often, you know, partner up with unlikely partners
that they've had, you know, words with or not seen I die with on the past, you know, Ronald
Reagan's voodoo economics, that came from George H. W. Bush and then he became his vice
president. And we, I think I'll remember Kamala Harris being quite hard on Joe Biden
in the debates when she was a candidate for president and yet then they come together
and work together. And so that's kind of a norm in this difference in this Republican
party where, you know, the grudges are just so visceral is really a kind trap.
That's a very good point, right? Because George H. W. Bush did go against Reagan very
hard. Reagan was the popularist in all that, but he realized he needed the old line Republicans
and George H. W. Bush was his old line as you get. His, his, his father was Prescott
Bush who was a Republican economist from Connecticut. So they were very old line type of people.
Blue bloods say they wouldn't stand a chance in either party, but that's what happened
back then. And right. And Kamala Harris, quite frankly, people were surprised that he did
and pick her because she was more than, you know, attacking him. But in any event he
did, and it worked, it certainly worked and got an elected that time. I agree with you.
It's very hard for me to see Trump after what he said, picking Nikki Haley to his VP or
picking, picking somebody like Ron DeSantis. My personal belief or anybody like Tim Scott,
I mean, just doesn't seem, you know, the guy has no presidential chops. None of them
have any presidential chops, including Trump, by the way. But my concern is he may pick
somebody like Mike Johnson because Mike Johnson is a man of mystery. He's a mystery man.
Mystery man. He leaves no fingerprints. He's no footprints. Where's he walking around
velvet slippers? I mean, my God, no one knows where his money goes. He could do something
like that. Younger guy who hasn't ticked him off. See what happens. Thanks for calling.
Mike from Westpan, my friend. You're next. What's your mind? They might.
Well, thanks for taking my call. First of all, I'd like to give you a compliment. As a conservative
Republican, I enjoy listening to your show because you're such a voice of reason and common
sense. I mean, I always agree with you, but you're someone like my friend, a lot of
democratic, very liberal friends. And we all can talk about the issues because we all
can sit down like adults and work things out. And that's why I enjoy your show.
Well, thank you. Thank you very much. Yeah. What's in your mind today? Any special issue?
Now, I guess what mine being said is my own party, the Republicans have lost their mind.
And there is no. Instead of doing good for the country, they're doing, they're just playing
play in politics. And when I get so frustrated with Biden is, it's he leans so far to the progressive
left, like Republicans are leading so far to the right wing nuts that he's losing what
he's already accomplished. As a businessman, well retired over 20 years, he doesn't get
out there and hump what he's got. He's run a good economy. He's got my God, we're hitting
a record on the doll. People don't realize what he's accomplished, but he's constantly
being sucked back in by, you know, I consider this just nut heads, taking them off on different
tangents, just like the right wing guys, that could cost them the election because there's
just how I feel. There's no common sense anymore. You know, there's a lot of truth in what
you just said. And Mike, I always appreciate a call from a principal conservative. You're
one of them. And I hope you call again. I really do. Thank you.
Let's go, Paul, my friend. You're next. What's your Monday? Let's go, Paul.
I had a good afternoon, Matt. Hey, the boy you missed it happened to appear there. That was a big
day for Biden. He really looked good and infrastructure is a big deal. People go to work and you
fix bridges and you're taking care of your house. Well, that's a real big deal. And the other
point I want to make is if the republic is so cold with this bipartisan fixed-to-border deal and
crane aid, they own it. They own that. They own that. And Biden is free on that. I start running
the ads right away. Hey, we had a bipartisan plan to fix the border, aid to Ukraine, and Israel,
and the republic was broken. So don't look my way. I will say this to end my day here.
You know, I've been kind of a lucky man in all my life. I served my country when I got out,
I got a good union job. Now I have a pension, Social Security Medicare. I'm kind of really
living a good life. And I think Biden likes the common man. I know he likes the union man.
And Social Security Medicare, just great, great programs. You'll learn that when you retire.
They're awesome. So it looks like the election is going to come down to Biden and Trump.
I'm definitely going to be riding with Biden. But you know, after Biden was elected,
Biden, Joe, we did a Beatles song. Here comes the sun. And he was like honoring Biden because the
sun's back. And what I take from that is Trump is darkness. I mean, it's just darkness.
It's all negative criminal. You know, I've said this before. I can't think of a law he hasn't
broke, but we just can't go back to darkness. Joe, look good yesterday. Please, you know,
let's forget about the darkness. And I think you were a Beatles fan yourself, Matt.
Here it was. That's right. Nothing but the Beatles. I didn't mind the stones.
I didn't mind Hermes Hermes. Thanks to calm, Paul.
Fill of Grant County. Thanks to calm. Fill wasn't your mind today.
O'lonkel, Joel was up in superior.
Uh, uh, negotiating for that bridge. I think you put it in the wrong place.
Should have put it in Eagle pass, Texas. So instead of six thousand a day,
he could have 60,000 illegal aliens come in.
No, I like a guy with a sense of humor, Phil. Here's the deal. And, and, and Wiscoe, Paul put it,
and I think Wiscoe, Paul and I and everybody would agree we've got to get that immigration under control.
Here's the deal. There was a bipartisan negotiating committee,
again, James Langford. He is the, uh, Republican, a very conservative Republican from Oklahoma.
You know, Oklahoma, Oklahoma, you ever seen the musical? It's a great musical.
But the point of the matter is, uh, they're very conservative folks. This guy's very conservative.
And he held out for a border deal, so to speak, that finally Schumer and, um,
Mitch McConnell signed off on and Chris Murphy of, of, um, Connecticut signed off on and, uh,
they all signed off on it. And Biden finally said, okay. And it, it, it gives,
not just Republicans, but people like myself as well who are concerned about the
volume of this immigration coming in, who's coming in. Uh, exactly wasn't necessary to stop it.
And it would provide for aid to Ukraine, provide for aid, Israel,
some aid to Taiwan and more money at the border to hire more border control.
Right now, little known fact, the Mexican army has more people on their side than we do on our side.
Now, they're supposedly trying to keep people from crossing over and stopping fentanyl.
I'm not at all convinced of it, but in any of them. Donald Trump called a couple of these
Republicans, Phil, and he said, uh, I need the, I need this immigration issue to win in November.
And so I don't want any deal. Unless it's 100%. And, but even then, he wouldn't specify what that is.
Um, he is interfering with it. Mitt Romney said it's appalling. We have a chance to really
cut down illegal immigration at the border big time and support our European ally Ukraine
against the Russians. He used to be communists and now they're organized crime.
You know, they used to be Stalin. Now they're Al Capone. Uh, they are criminals, the leadership,
not the people, the leadership. And so, um, that is what has happened.
Muskemich, Mitch McConnell, I call Muskemich as a sort of an affectionate diminutive. He, uh,
he's still trying to stick by it. You have some far right mega clowns in the, in the, in the house
who won't go for it. But there are about three to 350 congressmen who will. And there are about 80
senators who will. And I've got a question, Phil, for you, for Mike and then for
Wiscoe Paul and people on the liberal side, why can't three to 350 congressmen and 80 senators
have their will expressed? Why can't they say, okay, these things will go to the floor.
And it won't require a rule vote. So it requires two thirds in the house. Two thirds is about
two hundred and seventy two seventy five. And we have three hundred three fifty votes. And in the
Senate, if some clown like Tuberville or Rand Paul goes, well, I'm going to, um, I'm going to do
unanimous consent and tell you to jump in the lake. Well, we'll give up nine Republicans to join
the Democrats, you know, bust the filibuster and, um, pass it. Why can't that be done?
And the reason I can't be done is because Trump has threatened these people. Trump is not a
Republican. The odd thing is he calls himself a rhino. He calls his enemies rhinos. Rhino stands
for Republican in name only. The true Republicans are Liz Cheney and Adam Kinziger and even a guy
like Mitt Romney. Trump is the rhino. He's a Republican name only. He's a Democrat till he ran. He
doesn't care. He changes on a dime. But what he is doing is trying to injure the United States,
keep up illegal immigration. Said he hopes that the economy goes bust. And so he can get back into
to do what? To do what? He didn't stop immigration while he was there neither. In fact, Biden and Obama
deported more people and he did. This has got to be done the right way and it is pending. It can be
done the right way. Step away for a second. Coming back, we're going to talk about the
Eighth Amendment, cruel and unusual punishment in Alabama. And then we are going to talk about
the Holocaust Remembrance Day, which is tomorrow coming in.
Welcome back to Madeline Direct. Our lines are open. 844-967-2789. Well, yesterday, Alabama put
a guy to death. And Kenneth Smith, he was a murderer. He was a murderer. He murdered somebody,
went to trial. Jury convicted him. He did it. Then in Alabama under their law, the jury had
a decided should he get the death penalty. The jury came back and said, no, he shouldn't get the
death penalty. Alabama has a law that a judge can overrule the jury on the death penalty.
I think that's an unconstitutional law. But in any event, the jury did overrule or the judge
did overrule the jury and sent them to death. He was on death throw for a spell and then they
tried to put him to death with lethal injection and it didn't work. But it inflicted a lot of pain.
This has got to stop. When you do that and it doesn't work, that should be the end of it.
But then they decided they're going to try something new that's never been used before,
which is nitrogen gas. What it is is they put a muzzle on you and they pump in nitrogen gas.
You have no oxygen and then you presumably die. I don't know how long it takes you. I think it
takes you a little bit. This is cruel and inhuman. In the US Constitution, the Bill writes the 10
amendments, first 10 amendments. The eighth amendment says that you cannot inflict cruel and
unusual punishment on people. Now that goes back in the 18th century where they were torture people.
They put them on the rack and stretch them, split them apart. They would do horrible things and
monarchs in England, France, everywhere else to do that to intimidate people. The Adam and Empire
would do it. That kind of thing. Well, our founding fathers said we're not going to
have cruel and unusual punishment. So in those days, they'd hang somebody or shoot them, but they
wouldn't torture them. The idea is you shouldn't torture people. Now, Wisconsin got rid of its death
penalty. I think it was in the 1850s because some guy got hanged and it didn't go well and he dangled,
you know, sort of gasping for a long time and people were horrified. So we haven't had the death
penalty in 170 years, roughly. And the odd thing is in states that don't have the
death penalty. Like ours, the instance of crime, really evil type crimes, sensational crimes,
they exist, but they're they're a lot less. When you have a death penalty, you inject a
a sentiment of state violence into your culture. And that has a terrible effect overall, terrible
effect overall. In 18th century England, if you were caught, pickpocketing, you got hanged.
You got hanged, really, for pickpocketing. The areas where the pickpockets did most of their work
were public hangings. Pickpocketing to get hung, hanged. And there's a huge crowd gathering
cheering, cheering, and you know, I mean, really sick people. And they get their pockets picked.
So the point of the matter is, what are we doing? Now, what happened now is in the early 70s,
there was a pause put on, there was a question of whether it was an Eighth Amendment issue. In
other words, is the death penalty itself in violation of the Eighth Amendment? It's cruel and unusual.
So a lot of sentences got commuted and people didn't get executed in the early 70s anywhere.
Surhan Surhan was sentenced to death for assassinating Bobby Kennedy. But he was lucky because
California changed their law on that. And so he's been in prison for 50 years or
55 years. But when you have a state with a law that says the jury came back and said,
no death penalty, the judge overrules them. They try to kill them with lethal injection. They fail
causing them a lot of pain and terror. And then there's the first guy that they clapped his
nitrogen mask on. I think that's wrong. I think we should abolish the death penalty.
We've abolished it at the federal level because Biden's in there. It's up to the president.
When Trump was in there, he went out and deliberately put people to death. He did several of them.
But the thing that kills me about Trump is he talks a good game.
So if somebody holds up a 7-11 in Oklahoma and kills the clerk, he gets the death penalty.
But everybody that was involved in 9-11, none of them got the death penalty. Many of them were
let go and sent back to their home countries. And some of them then took up arms against our people
in Afghanistan. Our soldiers in Afghanistan, for instance.
You know, doctors are a naev who bombed the Boston Marathon along with his brother at the death
penalty. Under Biden, we're not doing any federal death penalty cases. But where was Trump?
You know, the point of the matter is, if you can do the death penalty, you can certainly do it in
warfare. And if somebody, you can't execute prisoners, that's against international law.
But if somebody is caught killing people, surreptitiously like that, you certainly can.
You may say, okay, well, the guy in Buffalo is facing the death penalty. That's true. New York has
a death penalty. That's a state case, not a federal case. The guy, the Manhattan bike path terrorist
who mowed people down, the guy from Uzbekistan. The prosecution asks for the death penalty in New
York, but the jury has to be unanimous, and a few jurors wouldn't do it. So he's in prison right
now. I think that Wisconsin's approach to this is a very good approach. We're a humane state,
but you know, we enforce the law. You murder somebody, you do these things, you're going to get caught,
and you're going to get put in prison, but you're not going to be treated sadistically,
nothing cruel and unusual. But he said, Kate, if you take a look at the prisons, especially
down Louisiana and Alabama, terrible article in New York Times about the prisoners in Alabama,
you've heard the kind of the old adage that the prisoners run the prison and all that. But in
Alabama, the guards sit in some sort of cage, so they're safe, and everybody's out there doing
whatever they want to anybody, and a guy at terrified guy comes running up to the cage, and he goes,
you got to help me, you know, they're going to kill me. And the guard said to him,
son, you better get yourself a knife. That's how they do prisons in Alabama. So this business
of letting a judge overrule the jury, that's wrong. Number one, for the death penalty, I mean,
number two, trying to kill him with a bunch of clowns who couldn't do it with lethal injection,
and then dragging them back and sticking a mask full of nitrogen on him,
when that had never been done before in the United States. There had been absolutely no research,
no expert testimony about what that's like. Some states out west, you want, you can be executed
by firing squad. Some states what they'll do is they'll have 10 guys with a rifle, and only one of
them will have a real bullet. So you never can say I'm the guy that killed them. Hanging is a
gruesome way to do it. Some states say you can be, but that's the terrible way. You can hang
there choking and gasping for a long time. There's no nice way to put somebody to death,
and I think it is wrong. Coming up, the Holocaust Remembrance Day is tomorrow,
some news, some weather, and it turns out some people in a UN agency were part of the Hamas
attackers that brutalized people in Israel on October 7th coming up.
Welcome back to Matt from the Direct. Our lines are open 844-967-2789. Go right to the lines.
Joe, a man is in my friend. Thanks for calling, Joe. What's in your mind today?
Well, I'd like to return to the subject of immigration for just a minute, and I just
appreciated the colors from the last hour. I would like to talk to the guy who was interested,
or just respond to the guy who was saying, well, maybe we should put up a, you know, a bridge
at Eagle Pass down in Texas. And again, I would bring up the point. I would bring up the point
that, okay, it's all well and good to say, gee, there's a problem, but let's start talking about
solutions. I would refer to an article that I mentioned previously. You can find it at
trac.syr.edu. And it books at the number of times that employers have been jailed for illegally
hiring illegal workers. And no fines, no nothing. So take one year. They took one year from April
of 2018 to March of 2019. And in that year, there were more than 85,000 individuals that were
prosecuted for illegal entry into the United States. Now, think of the cost of doing that.
You got to process each person, arrest them, process them, and take them out, okay? If the same
time the employers who create this situation with their work, 11 individuals during that year
were cited for illegally hiring illegal workers, seven cases total, no companies, okay? 11
individuals, 85,000 people trying to get in. How about taking the people who hire illegal workers
and put them in prison? The laws are on the books and they are not enforced. And they're not
enforced because we like it this way. I would, you have an ad for dairy industry in your brick,
which is really useful. I really enjoy hearing about what's happening with Ag in this country
or in our state. And remember that dairy in Wisconsin is a $43 billion industry. And if you look
at the dairy industry, it's even different than the seasonal work. For example, people who are
brought into brick blueberries or strawberries or something like that. They come in on a visa
that's very different than what's happening with the dairy industry because those people are,
it's short term, whereas dairy is long term. It's every day. You cannot take a break from
milking cows. That's the way it is. And they say on Wisconsin farms or across the country, 51%
of the dairy workers in this country are immigrants and three-quarters of them are undocumented.
And in the state of Wisconsin, if we were to follow through with what I just said that those
people who employ illegal immigrants should be facing prison times, the laws exist. Boy,
there go a lot of dairy farmers and there goes a big industry in our state and there goes a lot
of farms down the tubes. And there goes a lot of tax money and a lot of a lot of community.
So what are we going to do? I mean, you talked to farmers and there's another article I would
draw to people's attention. It was done by Wisconsin Center for Investigative Journalism and WPR.
This was done during the Trump administration. It said, Wisconsin dairy struggle to keep immigrant
workers because they were so afraid of being lost in raids. And this person said, you know, I'm a
dairy farmer. I've got 20 to 30 people who work here and nobody has papers. If you got rid of all of
them, they did a raid and took everybody. What are the farmers going to do? The cows will die.
She talked to the article, talked to another person who was a worker on one of the dairy farms.
Been working there for 17 years and he made the point in that 17 years he had never once seen
a white person come up to that farm and say, is there work here? Is there work here? Would you like
because people know how hard it is. It's very hard work. You go into Wisconsin dairy and the
music you will hear is Spanish music. There's a reason. Okay, what are we going to do? We need to
have solutions and a solution of just saying, we're going to close off the border. Good luck.
Good luck to the daring farmers in the state. Good luck. So I keep repeating it, but I just think
this, we're going to draw a line and stand and never collaborate. We can't. The way we are in this
country, we are dependent on foreign labor to pick crops to work in our dearies. That's the way
it is. If you don't want that, start paying mega dollars for your milk and for your strawberries
and for your blueberries and your peaches. So keep talking on the same line that man is an important
issue and it seems like saying just close the border is just not sustainable. Thank you.
No, give that website again or that link slowly so people can jot it down.
Yeah, so the first one that I was mentioning was that it was a, it's from Syracuse University.
And so they were looking at the number of people who have been prosecuted for illegal employment
of immigrants. So it's the title of it is, you prosecuted for illegal employment of immigrants.
It's from a group called Track, T-R-A-C Immigration. The website is trac.syr.edu. And they're the ones
that provided the information on the number of people prosecuted for hiring illegals as compared
to the number of illegals who come into the country. That's the focus of that. The other article I
mentioned was jointly produced between the Center for Investigative Journalism in the State
and WPR. And I can get you that exact. I don't have that right up so I could maybe call your
producer back on Monday. You give you that exact highlight. And I'm happy to do that. But at any rate,
it is a point that yeah, you could put employers in jail if you want, but okay, then what?
You know, then what? Thanks a lot. It's a really important subject. I'm glad to keep bringing it up.
Great call. As always, Joe. Thank you so much. Kathy of Forest Park, Illinois. You're next.
And everybody else hang on the line. I'll get you an order. But Kathy of Forest Park, Illinois,
you're next. Hi there, Matt. Just one quick thing to begin with. Reading the walkie-jihad,
great read, really can educate you as well as entertain you. And we're glad to have gotten
that book. Thank you. You're very, thank you. Following up on what Joe was saying, just,
I think listeners should remember it was Ronald Reagan that opened up the immigration flood
gate back when he was in office. And then George Bush followed and that was so they could get
cheap labor into this country because they were anti-union. And you know, it's interesting.
Now they want to close the borders. I think to some degree, the borders are already closed.
But in any event, the third item I want to mention, I don't know if you've seen it.
There's news being reported that the UN may have employees who helped
from us during the October 7th.
And they're saying they may prosecute some of these people and so forth. I think that before it's
all said and done that you're going to find this was a much larger conspiracy. And I know it sounds
like I'm a conspiracy nut, but that there were employers and all of this that were determined
not only to take Israel down, but possibly the United States and the Biden administration.
But just and the source for that was Huffington Palace. They were reporting it this afternoon
as breaking news. Great. Excellent call, Kathy. Thank you so much. Look forward to calling
some more. I'm going to keep going in order. Northwood's Terry, my friend. Thank you for
calling us your name, Northwood's Terry. Yeah, I'm going in line with yours talking about I read
an article about the brown people that work in the poultry in Iowa, the poultry industry, 37
percent of brown people. So if you're going to deport those people, you're going to have a shortage
of process chicken. Therefore, the price is going to go up and there you go. So there's your
food in place. So that's it. There's an excellent call, Northwood's Terry. I always like hearing
from you. Thank you. Karina Milwaukee, my friend. Thanks for calling. What's in your mind today, Karina?
Hi, miss. So this is just something I'm thinking about and I cannot make sense out of it because I
just simply don't have enough information. Yesterday I was at the PO office and because of the
healthcare situation and the mental health and stuff like that. So I was there for my own
purposes for clinics and doctors and there's a group of people, a young people from like early
20 to early 30s who are also, you know, previous criminals and going through the PO time. And
there is a conversation about a Trump versus Biden, right? And all of a sudden, I hear this coming
up from young people in front of me saying that no matter what we say about Biden, Trump
is better for criminals in this country. It's been 24 hours from that point on. I heard that
and I was stunned there and I couldn't, they couldn't give me obviously facts. But I still thinking
about it. It's just, what do you think about it? It's just a statement of saying that, you know,
what I'm a criminal. I know what I'm talking about it. And when when Trump at the power,
it makes it better for us. Well, here's the right. I look at that. At one point at some point,
it's satire. That'll be a great scene for a novel. But I've always thought that the Republicans
are making a big mistake opposing the rate of felons to vote because I believe that a majority
of felons would vote republic. And certainly the white color crime people would. But even the others,
they like somewhat shady or party. And so, and I'm only being half facetious, only half facetious.
Secondly, I have no idea what those people meant by that, meaning better for them. They certainly
couldn't mean that they're going to get better health care and financial benefits from Trump.
I think it's because the mind of somebody who would commit a criminal offense, and I'm not
talking about somebody who's driven at a poverty or do something, but the mind of somebody who
would commit a criminal offense is a little off. And it takes one to know one. I mean, I think that's
what I get. So I want to say one thing about Kathy from Illinois, which I really appreciated. She
mentioned a novel, Milwaukee, G. Had. I've mentioned this before. I've written four books. And I'm
going to give you the titles. And if you enjoy this show and you enjoy history, you enjoy a discussion
of it. My latest one is called The Court of Last Resort. Just was released about four weeks ago.
And it's set in Chicago, the Court of Last Resort. You'll learn a lot about the law on that one.
It's about a renegade judge who decides to take justice in his own hands when defendants get
acquitted. The other one, as Kathy said, is called Milwaukee, G. Had. And it's about politics
in the Middle East and to spill over in this country. And I think you'll enjoy it. The third one
is called China code. China code. And it is about issues with China and coming to this country.
These are action novels where they come to kidnap a young math genius and the CIA and good folks
in this country stop them. And the other one is called Confessions of a Church Lawyer. This is
nonfiction. And I practice laws, you know, for almost 40 years. And Confessions of a Church Lawyer
and you'll read some history in that that you may have been an aware of.
Tomorrow's Holocaust Remembrance Day. And it's very, very important that that be observed and
thought about. And Kathy brought up an issue that is true. The United States is just suspended
contributions to one of the United Nations relief agencies because it turns out
about 12 of their employees joined with Hamas in brutalizing Israeli citizens. They went in and
they tortured them. They raped, not only rape women, but they, they generally mutilated them,
burned children in front of their parents and he headed some people. And these are UN employees.
So we're not going to put up with that. The UN has said they're doing an investigation.
And these people will be criminally prosecuted. But today, the international court that sits in the
Hague issued a decision on South Africa's complaint against, against Israel, that complaint
and oh, by the way, the verdict just came in in the Eugene Carroll case, 83.3 million dollars,
83.3 million dollars. Maybe Trump now will realize, you don't just walk out and bully everybody
and right in the middle of the trial. Holy smokes, 83.3 million dollars. We're coming to a break,
but I want to talk about the world court, what they did. It was an outrage. There's a silver lining,
but I want to talk about South Africa's motivation and the illegitimacy of that court.
So I'll become back very, very shortly and that's what we are going to talk about.
Serenade me apart, when you treat me so unkind, what goes on in your mind.
I'm looking back to Matt Fender, director. Lines are open, 844-967-2789. I see when the line
don't hang up, but I want to finish this one comment about the world court. The United States is not
part of the world court. We don't recognize it. Israel isn't either. South Africa, after everything
everybody did in the United States and in Israel and everywhere else, to secure South African
freedom, this is how they repay it. They bring this genocide complaint in the world court,
and it's because the President regime is incompetent down there. They're a bad regime and they're
taking flak and they decided to side with Hamas to somehow try to curry favor.
The world court, the reason we don't belong, the reason Israel doesn't belong and a lot of
other people is the world court is something of a joke. Their judges, they take some of these judges
are from Africa, from Muslim countries, they come in. When somebody brought a complaint and said,
let's the world court do something about ISIS murdering Christians in Iraq, they said,
well, ISIS isn't a government, so we won't do anything. Somebody said, well, let's do something
about Hamas, what they did on October 7, which is torture. It's Nazi type torture. The problem is
we use the word Nazi to describe people of European descent who torture and genocide people, but if
it's not, then we don't use the term, which I think is ridiculous, but in any event.
So they opened a file. There's a file open right now against the United States, by the way,
because of Afghanistan saying that this was somehow an international crime and they're
quote, investigated. Why are we paying these people? Why are we paying these clowns to come in and
do this? And the one silver lining is that they did not call for ceasefire because I think the
United States and Israel and a lot of countries in the West said, if you pull something like that,
so they can go in and torture people, and Hamas has said they're going to do it again,
they'll do it every chance they can. And these were, they did this to 12-year-old girls, 14-year-old
girls. You can't put up with that. Israel is a country that has narrowest its nine miles,
and its widest is 80 miles. And you can't, you can't tolerate that. So what is accomplished by this,
there was some kind of a, they looked on it as well, you know, just obey the genocide laws.
That didn't have to be said. Israel, right, in terms of the genocide laws, it was Hamas that
was committing genocide. It's a ran that commits genocide. It's the Taliban that commits genocide.
In ISIS, in Al-Qaeda, in Al-Shrabab, in the Gingerweed,
in Islamic Jihad, which is what they call themselves as an umbrella.
This is a perversion that's put on its head, and then it's to be put in context.
South Africa had had no absolutely no basis for bringing this claim. The genocide is the other way.
The Jewish people in Israel were subjected to genocide. The people that founded it in Europe.
By and large, and pogroms in Eastern Europe. And they came and they started a nation.
And they've offered a two-stage solution three times, three times. The Palestinians, Palestinians
very fine people. But their leadership, I think, correctly looked at it and said, we'll be
assassinated, looking on worse than that, if we do anything. So it's going to take a lot more,
a lot more diplomacy to finally achieve peace. And I am delighted that Joe Biden is the president.
Experience the strong supporter of our allies. And Israel is our ally in part of the West.
David Madison, my friend. Thanks for calling. What's your mind today, Dave?
Yeah, I was expecting the international court of justice.
You know, like the US has a special relationship with Israel.
Well, South Africa, you mentioned the government in pretty negative terms.
Accurate, that's accurate. South Africa has a special relationship with Hamas.
You know, they have, you know, official visits, et cetera, et cetera.
And they made a big deal of, you know, the billionaire heads of Hamas come down there.
So I don't know if it's on a regular basis, but they certainly do a lot.
And South Iran opposes up, and the African National Congress,
most analysts say they are very likely to lose their majority in the upcoming elections.
And so they have nothing to offer the people that nothing to offer the people that has
an attraction electorally anyway. And so they offer them just like
Iran does it as nothing to offer the people. They offer them to fight against Israel.
And, you know, it's the same thing as all over the world. You see populist right-wing parties
offering now the fight against immigration. You know, and it's the same kind of,
it's the same kind of really racist in many ways.
Playbook, with respect to the United Nations release and work, we different works agency.
Yeah, the Israelis have been complaining about it, and they've had pretty solid evidence that
United Nations release and work agency is filled. It's replete with employees
who are members of various terrorist organizations, of course, including Hamas.
Now they're totally, the allegation is they're totally controlled by Hamas.
So any United Nations, any unra-aid, Hamas gets first digit at that,
just like NEA coming into Gaza, they can decide what to do with it, they can confiscate it,
which they do, you know, to cost about $90 million for maybe, I don't know, this is a rough figure,
for about 40 miles, and that's a conservative figure, by the way, to make these tunnels,
and they've been using all of this assistance, all of this aid, or a youth chunk of it, I mean,
for to build a fortress that they can use as a beachhead against Israel and
community horrible atrocities. Yeah, no, I wondered, and I think a lot of people
wondered, Dave, the hundreds, when you say hundreds of miles, I've heard figures 300, 400 miles
of tunnels that with reinforcements and rooms and all that, that took a lot of money, and it took
a long time, and a lot of money that went, and good charitable money, that went to Gaza for the
Palestinians themselves, instead of being used to build schools and hospitals and so forth,
it was taken by Hamas to build these underground tunnels where they developed their weapons
and their missiles to shoot at Israel, and then they launched the attack on October 7th.
Come to the end of the show, great show, great callers as always. Everybody out there have a good
weekend, stand by for another great show, Devils Avigate with Diamond Crute, Matt Phen with Back
Same Time, same place tomorrow, and I'm signing off for today.