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This is one thing that blew me away, there's a lot of stuff that's going on, especially
in the Republican Party that just blows you away, you can't imagine it.
This now, Florida has a head financial guy, they call him the chief financial officer,
which is really something more in line of a private corporation, the chief financial
officer reports to the CEO and the chairman.
But in Florida, I don't know, I think they have a separate treasure, but whoever the
main numbers person is, it's the chief financial officer.
This clown just came out with a proposal, this had been kicked around before, but now it's
getting formalized.
For Florida taxpayers to pay Trump's legal bills, yes, for Florida taxpayers to pay Trump's
legal bills.
Now they have a gerrymandered legislature, they have dissentists who will suck up the
Trump mercilessly, I think hoping we can be picked up as the VP candidate.
And these clowns could easily ram this through.
There's a question in my mind how constitutional it is, but the fact is that I don't know
that a federal court will try to intervene in the states doing this.
And I want to put aside some logistics for a second, I don't want to get into, well,
what incentive does Trump have to negotiate reasonable legal fees?
Some clown lawyers somewhere at Sydney Pell can say, I want $10 million, so long as the
Florida taxpayers are paying it, what the heck?
But the way they are crafting this, the way they are crafting this, in my opinion, is the
violation of the Constitution, probably the Florida Constitution.
There is a rule of law that says that you can't have a statute that isn't, that is directed
to benefit one person.
In other words, you can't put in characteristics that only apply to one person.
Let's say the governor of a state and the legislature say, any individual in this state who
is red hair is missing his left arm and was born in baribu, it doesn't have to pay income
taxes.
Under the Wisconsin Constitution, the federal constitution, that would be an unconstitutional
statute because it's clearly meant to describe only one individual, and all likely it only
one individual.
Well, that's what they've done with Trump.
They say any, quote, any Florida resident who is running for president and who is indicted,
I'm not kidding, who is indicted, she'll have his legal fees paid by Florida taxpayers.
Well, duh, how many Florida residents run for president?
How many of them are indicted?
And you know, the other thing is what you're going to find is felons, people charge you're
immediately going to run for president, they'll just say I'm running for president.
And I want my legal fees paid, but then they could put, you know, he has to be 40 percent
in the polls.
I mean, this is so crooked.
Florida is a fine state.
I have relatives in Florida, friends in Florida, good people.
But it is a crooked state with Republican leadership.
Scott, Scott, their senator used to be their governor, was, took the fifth amendment in
front of a grand jury when his health care company was indicted for Medicaid fraud.
And paid over a billion dollars in fines, the largest settlement for that kind of fraud
in history.
And he was the head guy.
So they naturally, grand jury want to talk to him and he said, I refuse to answer on
the grounds that it might incriminate me.
For some reason, the prosecutor didn't go after him personally, he should have.
He should have just because the guy's not willing to testify, it doesn't mean that
they have, the head guy should be gone after.
And he thought, well, I need a job.
So he moves to California to Florida and runs for governor.
And he wins.
And he's a bad governor and then he runs for the Senate and he wins and he's a bad senator.
That's Florida.
Very, very tired of that kind of stuff going down in Florida, very, very tired of that
kind of stuff going down in Florida.
And if they end up paying Trump's legal fees by this designation of red-haired guy with
one arm from bearable type of stuff, enough's enough.
That has got to be called out.
That has got to be called out.
Now I alluded to another issue just before we signed off for a bit.
That issue was a lawsuit against Trump that I had not heard of.
I had not heard of.
Many of you may not have heard of it.
I thought I knew of all the bad stuff alleged against Trump, 91 felonies, four separate
indictments, four separate indictments, he's a walking crime scene, people, he sheds people
into the criminal justice system in bankruptcy, like a dog sheds fleas.
How many of his loyal supporters have been criminally charged, a thousand in the insurrection,
ranging from a couple of days in jail to 20 years.
Juliani right now, indicted, meadows indicted, Chesbro and Powell lead guilty to felonies to
avoid jail and cooperate, Roger Stone convicted, pardoned by Trump, you know, all of these
people, he sheds, he sheds crime, he's a walking crime scene, or bankruptcies, Juliani trying
to declare bankruptcy, he may not be able to do it because there's an exception in bankruptcy
law.
If the injury you caused was by your fraud, you can't go bankrupt, they can keep garnishing
you and replevening you, getting your stuff, grabbing whatever they can, rest of your life
because you committed fraud and Juliani certainly did.
And Trump funded by the rescues, Jared Kushner getting over 40 million a year for the rest
of his life, nobody's making a big deal out of that.
Just like in the last Senate race here, Ron Johnson, Milwaukee Journal Sentinel and several
occasions on the front page editorialized that Ron Johnson was not fit to be a senator,
yet he wins by racializing the race, essentially juxtaposing Mandela Barnes's picture along with
the murderer of the Walker Shaw Christmas parade, as if what, he had anything to do with
that, he didn't deliberately darkening his skin.
The response to the Democrats was that about, oh, well, he was in Moscow, Russia for
the July 2018, sucking up to Putin, four years after Putin invaded Crimea and took it away
from Ukraine, yuking it up with the boys over there, yuking it up with the NRA, Genevieve
Claire said, what are they doing over there?
Guns are outlawed.
The NRA doesn't care about your gun, they care about your money so they can take it.
None of this stuff is discussed.
Why isn't this discussed?
Why is everybody talking about 100 Biden?
100 Biden is not getting 40 million years, a year, the rest of his life, from chainsaw
Charlie.
But here is a case that I was not aware of and is going to try, believe it or not, on January
29th.
Guess what, that's this month, that's this month.
Trump has been accused in a civil complaint, and it's so years old now, of an alleged
pyramid scheme, soliciting Americans to invest in a loss-making video phone.
It's a multi-level marketing scheme and association with a group called ACN, ACN Opportunity
LLC, also known as American Communications Network.
Trump received millions of, this is the allegation of the complaint.
Trump received millions of dollars in secret payments to endorse and promote ACN as a
marketing company.
Marketing company.
Video phones were prevalent in the 2000s, they were surpassed by smartphones with video
chat capabilities.
The subject, the thing at issue is some kind of a desk phone that's wired to a screen
and that Trump promoted the product on his TV show Celebrity Apprentice.
This is the allegation of the complaint, and the judge has denied the motion and dismiss,
motion for summary judgment, so he is going to trial, but he promoted it on his show without
disclosing that ACN was paying him.
And they add from the show said this, quote, personally endorsed by renowned entrepreneur
and multi-billionaire with a B Donald J. Trump.
He said ACN's video phones are generating half a billion dollars worth of sales a year.
That was false.
Trump also told investors that he had experienced the opportunity and done a lot of research
and that his endorsement was not for a lot of money.
None of that is true according to the complaint.
The clown takes, Crooked Donald Trump takes millions of dollars, promotes an on his show,
and then lies about not getting money.
Here's his other statement, quote, you have a great opportunity before you at ACN without
any of the risks that most entrepreneurs have to take.
He was also paid secretly for allowing two of ACN's fund founders to appear on celebrity
apprentice.
Now that is fraud.
That under some circumstances could be criminal fraud.
Remember Trump University, Trump University, he said that and you got to understand something
else.
He's going in like Robin Hood to fleece the big guys.
Trump's going in to fleece the little guys.
Trump University, a woman asked about it.
She single mom, she had a child Autism.
They said, how much do you have?
She said 30,000.
That's all I have.
They said, the fee will be 28,000.
You'll meet Trump.
You'll become a real estate entrepreneur.
She took it.
There's a Dale Carnegie course like, you know, be buoyant in your sales.
And then when I came time for the picture with Trump, it was a cardboard cut out.
The guy is walking fraud and he was with ACN that trials going on on January 29th.
Coming up, coming up very, very shortly.
We are going to have two things.
They're going to be a surprise.
We're not going to believe in coming up.
Oh my God, it's going to cut you down.
Very, very fine state, our sister state.
Iowa has been described as Wisconsin without Milwaukee.
Wisconsin without Milwaukee.
They have a great university.
Obviously, we do, we have a whole great university system.
UW-Madison, UWM, the various system universities around the state.
But $100 million, imagine somebody spending $100 million in Wisconsin, but not Milwaukee, okay?
So on Green Bay TV, Madison TV, O'Clayer and LaCrosse, Rhinelander.
And let's suppose you threw some bucks at Duluth because of you want to get the northern part of the state, I get it.
$100 million, you could be on, and you know, this is only over some months.
You could buy the stations for $100 million.
For $100 million, but I'm surprised as some of these campaigns, there's so many billionaire donors
because of Citizens United putting vast sums.
You know, I mean Elon Musk is worth $250 billion.
What's $100 million to him?
It's $100 bucks to you.
Why don't they buy these stations?
Buy these stations and have them slant their nose.
This is unbelievable, Citizens United, unbelievable.
Clarence Thomas, swing vote, five to four, unbelievable, unbelievable.
They could carpet bomb Iowa in a sense, probably they have.
I was down there during one of the, one of the caucuses, but I think it was back in 2008.
And people get very spoiled, you know, they're sitting in, there's a great Italian restaurant in Des Moines.
I forget the name of it.
Seeing they're having a nice meal and people telling me, well, you see presidential candidates here all the time.
One woman back in 2004, I was John Kerry's co-chairman of his primary campaign in Wisconsin.
And in Iowa, a woman called up his campaign headquarters and said it was her 12 year old daughter's birthday party.
And they wanted Kerry to come as the guest of honor, speak to the 12 year olds, middle school kids.
And the campaign was very nice and they said, well, that's very kind, but you know, we, I was a big state.
We're going to be here and there and she got, she got angry.
So people, I'm not going to vote for him.
I mean, the sense of entitlement, this caucus thing has got to go.
My opinion, the Democrats have gotten rid of caucus selection in Iowa, but the Republicans haven't.
But also the prominence of Iowa early on in both parties has got to go.
It's a great state, but why not Wisconsin?
Wisconsin has Milwaukee, much larger population.
And frankly, our university system is internationally recognized.
And if you're going to do a Midwestern state, you should do Michigan, Illinois, or Wisconsin, preferably Wisconsin,
because I'm a Wisconsin guy.
South Carolina is up there and all that, but $100 million absolutely blew me away.
I'll also say this.
Gene of O'Clair raised the issue.
This is the other thing that I hadn't really thought about.
Raise the issue of the NRA.
Why is the NRA in love with Russia?
Why do they love Putin?
It's illegal in Russia.
He got unless you are one of Putin's intimate supporters in the military and that kind of thing.
And even then you're not going to have it carry a gun in public.
So where is the NRA like it so much?
The NRA likes it so much for two reasons.
And also it's illuminated by something that just happened in New York litigation against them.
They do it because they like autocracies.
They like iron-fisted government.
They hate democracy and they like money.
That's all their leadership is.
So anybody out there, if you think this is the NRA of 40 years ago, you are wrong.
You are dead wrong.
If they thought their leadership could make money, they take your guns away in a heartbeat with the Patriot Act.
Don't be deceived.
So here's the deal.
Here's the deal.
There was just a development in New York litigation against the NRA and we talked about it a long time ago.
We read about it a long time ago.
But the Tisha James went into court suing Wayne LaPierre, the head of the NRA,
and a couple of other of his running dogs, a couple of his running dogs.
And the allegation was they had taken millions of dollars for their own benefit.
Now, what amazes me is everybody goes against Hunter Biden and I'm not defending him.
Let do presses take its course for a tax issues.
He didn't pay about a million and a half in taxes, but now he has Rajashton.
Didn't pay more than that and then made it up and that was handled civilly.
They're going after Hunter Cremley.
Okay, fine, figured out.
But there's a corruption trial going on in New York by the Tisha James,
because they were incorporated in New York saying that the leadership
diverted millions of dollars to themselves of NRA dues.
Now, that should be prosecuted.
It should at least be prosecuted for tax fraud because they don't declare it as income.
And what some of it amounts to a chartering private airplanes
for them and their family to go on vacation and expensive vacations.
Some of it is excessive compensation and trying to sort that out
into how much of that is tax fraud and how much of it is a non-taxable benefit.
Obviously, take some legal skirmishing.
So they moved to Texas to incorporate into clear bankruptcy.
In Texas, Texas has rolled as the first of the bankruptcy even Texas.
Pete's sake.
But Pete's sake.
So they go back to New York and they say, well, this is a political prosecution
selective enforcement, throw the Tisha James out of court.
And it just came down.
They're not going to.
So Wayne LaPierre and a couple of these other clowns are still facing that in New York.
And I think it's about time.
And I hope they get nailed with a very, very big judgment, very big judgment.
Coming up, a lot of news, a lot of weather.
And I'll tell you what, the Hamas attacks on Israel and some disclosures of the New York Times
front page on Sunday that will astonish you and discuss you.
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Do not hang up Joe of Madison.
My friend. Thanks for calling Joe.
What's in your mind today?
Matt Gritz show is all hey, Matt Gritz show is always wanted to just walk into the weeds a little bit with you.
legal weeds with you at the helmet with the compass in hand here guide us.
Here's my question for you.
You had spoken earlier in the show and maybe could go back over this.
I thought it was an incredible piece of information about Trump firing on election analysts.
I guess you would call it and to say go through and find evidence that this election has been stolen from me.
The guy went through it and said, I can't find any evidence that says your election has been stolen.
So we know that Trump had paid for a specialist out of his own dollars to find a way to stay in the game.
And that guy had said, you have there's nothing there.
There's no evidence.
There's no way you can stay in the game with that in mind.
And maybe you can go back over the specifics of that exact guy's exact name.
I would love it if you would return to this repeatedly because I think it's a gem of a little piece of information here.
In the same way, I've been hearing people say, well, Trump is not guilty of insurrection because otherwise the January 6th,
many of the people from January 6th have been charged in a granted trial have not been charged within insurrection.
They've been charged with lesser crimes or at most, it can, it can,
citizenship conspiracy, which is two or more people overthrow the by force government property or levy war against the government,
but they do it by force.
And with citizenship conspiracy, as I understand it, Matt, it really speaks more to the idea of plotting and planning with another person to make something like this happen.
Whereas insurrection seems to have the flavor of it much more of violence.
Now, it certainly can be said when Trump is saying to his people,
walk to the Capitol, fight like hell and take back our country,
that, you know, and he knew well that they were going after Pence and that was going to be hanging Pence,
that he was very well acquainted with the idea that violence was a part of what was going on,
and his refusal to send anybody in to stop the violence also speaks to that.
But I'm curious to know, as it comes to this, is it because insurrection and the 14th Amendment is not defined,
is defined under federal laws, I understand it, but an insurrection is not defined within the 14th Amendment.
Does that make a difference with any of these cases that are turning up in regards to the 14th Amendment?
And as a consequence of that, I'm so taken by a line that one of the, one of the judges had in this discussion,
I'm sorry, I can't remember which one, but the quote was, it's important for us to apply the law without fear or favor.
And I thought, boy, doesn't that just sum up where we are?
The goal is to apply it without fear or favor, to no fear that the magas are going to get mad,
and geez, well, we better not even look at whether they're violations of the 14th Amendment,
because the magas might get mad, and we sure wouldn't want that.
But instead to say, everybody is on the same playing field.
And boy, if it's one thing that's been true, Trump is not on the same playing field.
He has had favor after favor after favor extended his way.
So I'd be curious your reactions and your thoughts on that, man, I know it's kind of in the weeds,
but I'd curious to hear what you have to say.
Thanks a lot, I really appreciate it.
Yeah, thanks, Joe. Excellent.
And then I see you on the lines, I'll get to you right after responding now to Joe.
And really, two questions.
First is Trump's hiring a legitimate voter debtor expert, which I had not known before.
The guy's name was Ken Block, and he had a voter debt, he's a national expert.
And Trump paid for it, presumably out of his campaign funds, and said,
I want you to look at it.
And the idea was, if you have a legit kind of beef about this, then go with it.
Well, the problem with that is Ken Block was an honest guy.
And he said, fine, you know, I'll look at it.
And if there is relevant and kind of material voter fraud, I'll let that come out.
Well, he did extensive research, and he came out with a report.
And he said, there wasn't.
There were some trivial examples that were bipartisan, people that owned two homes,
and they voted in both of them.
People who live with a relative and the relative died, but the absentee ballot had already come,
so they filled it out. And all of that is technically a felony.
In some cases, it was prosecuted, but it wouldn't have won I over to remember.
Trump lost by seven million popular votes and well over, I think, 30 or 40 electoral votes.
So it would have made no difference at all. And you can look it up.
It's Ken Block, and his company was called the, and I'd name
Sympatico Software Systems. And he's coming out with a book.
It's going to be issued March 12th, and it's going to describe all of this.
And his data was subpoenaed by the January 6th committee.
With regard to Joe's other question, about insurrection, is it defined?
And some people on the other side go, well, the thousand people who have been convicted weren't
convicted of insurrection. There's maybe seditious conspiracy. Some of them, some of them
trespass and so on. Well, here's the deal. Insurrection is a defined term.
And insurrection is a movement to overthrow the government.
What you don't want, and in autocracies, anybody who's critical of the government
or runs against the government in autocratic regimes, they'll say, that's an insurrection,
because they want to change the government. That's not what we're talking about.
We're talking about the use of force. And in this case, the reason why that's pertinent is
the 14th Amendment Article 3 says that Trump, if he has guilty of insurrection,
shouldn't be able to serve if he once took an oath to support the Constitution.
Well, his arguments are very technical. One of them is, I didn't say I'd support the
Constitution when I took the oath for president. I said I would preserve and defend it,
as if that's any difference. You see, I mean, he used this kind of argument.
But the second thing is, as far as I know, there were very few people among the thousand
who had taken an oath to support the Constitution. Some of them did. There were some public
officials, but most of them were just average citizens. And I think the feeling by prosecutors
of some of them was misled. I mean, the head guy, Trump lathers them up, gets them in the Washington.
They just did what he said. And he said, I'm going to go with you to the Capitol. And they
probably thought, and this is something I'm sure a good lawyer would have argued on some of their
behalf is, you know, my guy here is not an educated guy. The head guy says he can go to the Capitol.
The head guy should be able to over, you know, kind of outrank the GSA, the General Services
Administration that administers some of these properties. And if Donald Trump says I can go into
any building owned by the federal government, and he's president, I should be able to go in.
And I think some of them probably thought that. So as a matter of prosecutor of discretion,
you don't go after them all for insurrection. You're not trying to keep them from running
for public office again. So there you have it. Obviously, the Civil War was an insurrection.
And this is an odd way to put it, I would say this. An insurrection is any attempt to overthrow
the government that's not successful. In a sense, if George Washington had been unsuccessful,
he would have been hanged. And they would have said that was an insurrection. So what's going on,
I think, with Jack Smith is, Trump was the ringleader. He was the guy. He sheds criminality,
the way a dog sheds fleas. And I think that's the difference. I want to get briefly,
there was a mind-boggling article in the New York Times Sunday edition two days ago,
front page, top of the fold, you really should read it. And the New York Times reporters
watched all 46 minutes that are available of the video, the attack by Hamas against Israeli
civilians, particularly women, but October 7. And it turns your stomach to see what they did.
I'm not going to go into it in great detail here because it's something that I just don't
feel like talking about on radio. But basically, they all swarmed over. They were laughing,
and they didn't just rape the women. The women they've executed, they would shoot them between the
legs. They would mutilate them between the legs, including the nails. And the whole time,
it wasn't just Hamas people. It was civilians. They were with them laughing and shouting,
Ella Eckbar, which was the phrase used by the hijackers in 9-11. And frankly, the other day
at the 9-11 memorial, there was a crowd that gathered around shouting Ella Eckbar.
But you got to understand that this is not just an anti-colonial thing on the part of Hamas.
This is part of a movement that ISIS is part of, al-Qaeda is part of it,
hezbollah is part of it, al-Shabab is part of it, the jangriweed are part of it. It's basically a
theocratic attempt to overthrow anything other than themselves. And that includes Israel,
whom they look on as kind of a soft target, which it is. But it also includes Europe and Christianity
in the United States. And we have got to stop that. We've really got to stop the introduction of that.
Now, there have been violent episodes in New York City as a result of New Year's Eve.
Let me go over a couple of them. One of them is in Rochester, New York, a guy drives to Syracuse.
He takes a hotel room. He rents a much larger van, has many, many cans of gasoline in it.
And then he goes over near a venue. I think it's the Kodak Center where there are lists.
I think it was a grateful dead tribute band that people are coming out. And he targeted them.
And the thing burns and blows up. I think he's killed. He rams another car. Some of them are killed.
And this is being investigated as an act of terror. The relatives say, well, he was probably
mentally ill. I mean, I'm real tired of this. That every time there's an act of terror,
somebody says he's mentally ill. Yes and no. You think that, but that is not always the case.
The second was in Manhattan down around 34th Street.
Madison Square Garden, a guy goes against the traffic very, very fast.
It's not clear if he went up on the sidewalk, but rammed the restaurant. And a lot of people
were injured. Then this morning, there were explosions on Roosevelt Island. Roosevelt Island is
part of Manhattan. It's an island in the East River between Manhattan and Queens.
It's not certain whether that was just a maintenance issue or not, but there were many of them.
And then again, there were protesters who started a Columbus Circle and went along Central Park South,
59th Street. So there's fifth avenue, ended up in Macy's. And at Macy's, one of them takes a red
smoke bomb and runs through the, runs through the store. Protesters close down the roads
to LaGuardia and JFK airport. This has got to stop. This has got to stop. Right now,
what's happening is people are simply being given tickets to show up or dispersed or they're
permitted to do this. There have got to be arrests and deportations. This has got to stop. You
can't have people. They're out of the LA airport trying to shut that down, intimidating people
at our universities. This is not normal political. I should say First Amendment protected political
protests because absolutely the First Amendment covers protests, but they're protests that do not
involve violence and do not involve crystal knocked moments where you try to isolate Jewish people
and beat them up, harass them and scare them from going to college. This is America.
And somebody's got to talk about this and nobody right now is talking about it as bluntly as this
and I think it has to be talked about. A couple of other tidbits and I want to get past some information
on January 9th. Jack Smith is holding their holding oral argument in the D.C. Court of Appeals
and Trump's immunity defense. Jack Smith came up with a great
message. Don't let me down.
Welcome back to Madtwin Director. Line 08449672789. Tom McFarlane, my friend, thanks for
calling us from my late time. Hi, Matt. Thanks for taking my call. You know, just to build on what
you were saying as far as protests, I agree with the need to distinguish between what is legal,
constitutionally protective protest and what is the legal protest and the only way that we can
actually do that is by enforcing this. And I think the big reason for why we want to do this
is not just because of civil order. It's also because of keeping in mind of what Trump and Republicans
often say as far as legal protest. And remember, it was a few like I think it might have been in 2019
where there was that protest in front of the White House and Trump wanted to tear gas and bring
in the police and just treat the protesters there as if they were violent. And all they were doing
was just standing there. But they were saying that this was in a legal protest. And obviously,
this was, you know, constantly, this is exactly what constitutionally protective protest looks like.
They want to say that January 6 was legal protest, even though even by the most broadest definition
of that of descriptions, there's no way in heck that was a legal protest. So the only way that I
think we can fight Republicans on this is by making clear what we stand for in terms of legal
protest versus illegal protest. What are some thoughts? Thank you. Yeah, that's an excellent point.
Right. That was Lafayette Park. And he had General Milley and camouflage walking with him.
General Milley regretted that afterwards and said that that shouldn't have happened. But Trump,
remember, at one point afterwards, he even won the military to seize the voting machines. But at
Lafayette Park, he claimed he wanted to walk over to a church and hold up a Bible. Okay, well,
you know, get your own Bible guy. You don't have to walk through a church to do it. You want to,
I mean, we do believe in separation of church and state. You want to do it. Go ahead, I guess.
But what he did was he went out there and he did have a police clear a lot of them.
One, some of the journalists and some of the protesters were were hit. And one had his
camera sees and I think smashed and then Trump walked over. You know, the idea being is that
because he's president, his safety has to be protected at all times. And but he walks right into
the protest. You know, if you're the president and you have seen Secret Service, if you walk
into a protest, yeah, the Secret Service are going to clear people out and they're going to be
surprised and somebody may push back. Don't walk into a protest. Use your head. He did it on
purpose. He did it on purpose. And that was because at one point, he was afraid that he was going
to be attacked and he went down into some subterranean holding thing or whatever they have. And then
he, he looked chicken for doing that. So then he wanted to be a big man and then he wanted to tie
into the Bible. Some people said he held it up upside down. I, you know, I don't want to deal in
that kind of detail. It's stay away from busting up peaceful protests. But that's what he did. You
absolutely right. And you make a good, good point, Tom. And that is this that the right to protest
is in the first amendment. The rights of freedom of religion is the first amendment.
And the right to a peaceful transition of power is innate in the Constitution. The example is
George Washington who stepped down after two terms. He could have stayed it for the rest of his
life. Well, sadly, he only lived for about two years after his second term. And he could have been
king. You know, if there were people that monarchists who wanted him to be king George the first
of America. And he said, no, that is our, that is our example. So what's the difference between a
peaceful protest and an illegal protest? And it's a fine line. But I don't think there's any,
any doubt that when you have people on the street going into restaurants beating up Jewish people
shutting down our airports and then going along shouting with swastika flags and essentially
at our universities freezing out a portion of the population. Remember, they have first amendment
rights too to practice their faith. If you have people that are coming in to shut down your
practice of your faith, that's illegal under the first amendment. You can't say, I have a first
amendment right to shut you down. That's very similar. And there's the legal precedent.
If you heckle a speaker and are arrested for creating a disturbance disorderly conduct,
you can't say, wait a minute, my heckling the speech. First amendment, I was saying, shut up,
you're no good, interfere with his speech. The courts uniformly say, no, heckling the interference
with someone else's speech is not protected free speech. You see what I'm saying? It's not
protected free speech. Violence is the ultimate form of heckling. Murder is really the ultimate
form of heckling. When you have people are shutting down discussions, ostracizing some people
in their universities, shutting down airports, that is not protected. But you need a president
like Joe Biden who understands the difference. He will stand by and we stand by lawful first
amendment protected speech and protests. But we will not tolerate this kind of bullying and
crystal knock moments against the portion of our population. So that's where you have it.
In Iowa, the Santis, Haley are both asked, if Donald Trump is criminally convicted, would you pardon
him? They're running against him. If he's criminally convicted, that means the jury of his peers
found it beyond a reasonable doubt, not just probable cause,
beyond a reasonable doubt that he committed a felony, maybe 1991 felonies, tried to overthrow
the government. They both said, yes, I would pardon him. They're doing it to suck up to his folks.
I get it. But you know, at some point, you have to have some principle and they should also
understand something. When Gerald Ford pardoned Nixon, that was part of a deal. That was a devil's
fact. Nixon said, I'm thinking of stepping down. You'll be the president, but you got to pardon
me. Trump said fine. I mean, Trump is a doofus that came out of Michigan. He was a minority leader
of the Republicans, sort of a, you know, generally seen as an affable guy without not a lot between
his ears. So he'd do anything to be president. And we don't want that kind of president and Jimmy
Carter beat him. And partially beat him because of exactly that issue, exactly that issue.
Well, I'll tell you what, I'll tell you what, there is another case coming up,
another case coming up. We know all about it. This is the one in Iran, the Tisha James' case.
It's going to be coming up for a decision at the end of this month and Trump may be
on the hook for $250 million. And he may also not be able to do business in New York.
Come to the end of the show. Stand by for another great one. Devils Advocate with Diamond
Groot. Great callers always. Matt Flynn direct. We back same time, same place tomorrow,
signing off for today.
Great show, Matt. Yeah, it was a good work. And I'll also hit an email. But remember,
Thursday and Friday, either