Mission & Music (Hour 3)

Coming to Northeast Wisconsin live from the Civic Media Studios, this is Mino and the Mayor.

And here are your hosts, John Mino and

Jim Schmidt.

Hey!

Thank you very much!

Good morning everybody.

Jim slept in.

Sorry we're late.

It's all

Jim's fault.

First one here, just for the record.

He

was folding his linens.

I thought, well, I got

to get to work.

I just lost time.

I was having such

enjoyment.

I like this color.

Do I like this color more?

So anyway, here we are.

Yes.

Hello,

Todd.

Good morning.

Good to see

you.

I know.

Hi, everybody.

Todd, everything you heard over the last hour, forget.

Right.

That was yesterday.

That was a warm

up.

Right.

Although I got to tell you, we had our guests on.

do it for Daniel, right?

Yeah, we played that again.

Okay, we got some really nice texts on that this morning.

Yeah, so we got another an extra message out on that.

Outstanding.

But this seven o'clock start times.

I

kind of like it.

Take that into consideration.

Don't even start with me.

Don't

even start with

me.

I

don't know.

I'm OK.

Yeah.

Dr. Root is here.

He was actually here early, made coffee for us.

Thank God.

Because they can't make their own.

So that was easy to pick up.

I didn't tell you something yesterday.

Yeah.

When I was making my coffee and Jim walks by, you know what he said?

What did she say to me, Jim?

Shouldn't you have a cup?

Oh,

yeah.

Okay.

I just want to tell you, Dr. Ruda, I just say here, we'll hear you from you in a second.

A couple of stories about John.

You'll like, remember the absent minded professor,

Mr. McBlew,

that

whole

genre?

Okay.

Johnny and I had to go.

It's called

Feed America.

Feed our starving

children.

It's an awesome organization.

You guys have probably done that.

But you get teams of four and you pour, like it's powder.

One's different forms and you pour it into a funnel and then it goes into a bag, you seal the bag and that actually becomes a meal and they ship it.

It's really doesn't,

it's not difficult.

It's not difficult.

It really mostly goes to Africa and India, which is very, very cool.

It's a great program.

Anyway, so John and I are there and

Okay, let's get going.

So Johnny's pouring the stuff in and then the other one and it's all going on the floor because there's no bag under that.

I said, John, but bag.

So that's the analogy to yesterday.

He's making coffee and he's got the thing

on there.

And

I walked by and I'm like, would you want to put a cup under that thing?

Cause there'd be all kinds of flour.

So this

is at least twice.

This is twice.

This is the receptacles.

And

I don't spend as little time with him as I can.

That's just two things.

So I don't know what goes on the other, you know,

That's chaos.

Anyway, so anyway.

Dr. David Roode of Balanced Sports Medicine in the house.

How are you?

I'm wonderful.

How are you?

It's nice to meet you.

You guys are getting younger and younger.

Oh, thank you.

Because we're not getting older and older.

That's right.

Although, I showed him a picture for my class reunion.

We'll get together for planning it this year.

They look like the lunch

lady.

Johnny's class is getting old.

It

happens to the best of us.

Yeah, I guess.

But I think they're winning the race.

Holy mackerel.

And with the aging a little bit, that class probably weighs...

a ton more than it did, you know, back in whatever 678.

Well, you

and I talked about that yesterday from even when we were first married till now, how much did we put out?

I have my 35th wedding anniversary coming up this weekend.

Congratulations.

Yeah, thank you.

And, you know, things are obviously much, much better, you know, but a little heavier.

That's the direction it goes.

I know, I don't know if I'll ever get back there, but we're talking about what they put up with, you know, and Wade is one of them.

So anyway, we're working on it.

So,

okay, foot and ankle.

Yes, sir.

I've got foot and ankle issues, but I'm not even gonna get into

that.

Did they warn you that you're gonna be, you know, making a sales, I've been making a doctor's call here?

Are you out of this boot?

Are you out of the boot?

Yes.

Good.

I

still got a lot

of my sitting there ready to go whenever I need it.

You gotta put a disclaimer at that.

Don't try to drive if you got that on your right foot.

This is true.

That is very good.

Do most people know that?

Yes, yeah, coming since I'm not maybe I usually give people a spiel, you know, it's it's either drive with your left foot You take it off you put on a shoe.

It's it is a broad device.

It is that's the hazard you

can't have it It's no matter where you have it.

It's touching the gas and the brake.

That's right Yeah, and I got mine wedged in between the two I remember yeah, so I had my I was going 75 with my brakes on yeah,

so I got

go

Not great.

Not great.

Because I stepped out and it's like, boy, this town smells of something burning.

And I realized this is my brakes.

Yeah.

Traditionally, you push one of those at a time.

Yeah.

Yeah.

That's how that goes.

Crazy.

Yeah.

And it's not like the boot grows.

When you get in, you know it.

So why would you even put it in drive?

I don't know, Jim.

Efficiency.

Thank you,

Doc.

His place is to be.

He's being efficient.

Thank you.

There's nothing wrong with that.

You

know, I had in high school, a really bad spring day.

You get these guys now.

in professional athlete sprain and people say, oh, come on.

It's a sprained ankle.

How can I keep them out two or three days?

The term sprained ankle doesn't do the injury justice sometimes.

Totally agree.

Totally agree.

Can you explain?

Yes.

I've talked to other people about

that.

They're like, oh, I've had sick.

No, sprained ankles.

And can you do me a favor?

Because we've used this or the media uses this term.

all the time, and I don't know what it means.

I'm not sure anybody knows what it means other than the people that do it.

A high ankle sprain, which puts people on the bench for like a month.

What is a high, because in my era, did you ever hear of the term high ankle sprain, Jim?

Back in our day,

you know,

sports, just a sprain.

So what is a high ankle sprain?

So, to answer that question, quick comment on ankle sprain.

Yeah.

So people, that is an overly used term.

Yes.

Everyone, it's widely under-traded.

It's the most common sports injury, most common ankle sprain.

Right.

Significantly under-traded.

People go, oh, it's no big deal.

Put some dirt on it.

Here's an advantage.

Yes.

That is not true.

Commonly, it is a complete tearing of ligaments.

What we call an ankle sprain is a low ankle sprain in actuality.

A high ankle sprain is above the ankle.

If you look at an x-ray, there's two bones in our leg.

tibia and fibula.

There's a bunch of stuff in between them.

It is not air.

There's a bunch of ligaments.

A high ankle sprain is a tearing of those ligaments.

I

never knew

that.

So it's a high.

So people grab their skin.

People kind of grab right below their knee.

And so it is an injury that is above the ankle.

People will get a little device between their bones called a tightrope.

You'll hear people say, oh, he had a high ankle sprain.

He got the tightrope surgery.

And that is a treatment of all of those ligaments above the ankle.

Sendysmosis.

Wow, so it's

actually torn ligaments.

Is that what you do?

I mean, you're a specialist.

I

mean, Bellin does everything.

You're in the sports medicine over by Lambeau Field.

Yes, that's where we are.

You're a specialist.

Yes, we all are, yeah.

Everybody and there's a specialist.

Everyone there is fellowship trained subspecialty orthopedics.

And

really the most common, you say it's the most common injury, is it the most common thing you see?

No, okay.

No, no, it's the most common sports injury.

Right, it's a sprained ankle.

It's a sprained ankle.

Various degrees right there are mild by definition.

So if you get an MRI after sprained ankle, it is not normal like it is an injury to your ligaments It's a mild sprain.

It's a tearing or it's a or it's a greater tear or it's a full tear That is those are the grades of an I never knew that and so that's

why people what a wussy

is that's right Yeah, that's right.

Yeah, but if it's a severe sprain Lots of literature says that you can be back to high-intensity sports with an ankle brace like three weeks It'll sometimes.

Oh,

yeah,

dude does caping really help?

Yeah, ultimately.

Yes.

Okay.

Oh, yeah.

Yeah, it provides a little external support when you are still recovering.

Okay.

You guys have throttled back a little bit on the pain medication.

Yeah.

I mean, and that's for

the whole industry.

Throttled back.

Like you don't give it out like you're used to.

Yes.

Okay.

And just talk about because that became very serious addiction actually led to heroin with some people when you took the opiates away.

They still needed something and that

caused more problems.

I'm just wondering what your comment is.

I mean, you're a young doctor, but I think back in the day,

they

gave it out a lot more liberal than you do.

And I saw the thing with Brett Farrer very recently doing a thing on a podcast with people, and he said, it was his ankle sprain.

That started?

That started.

And he took, I think it was like, whatever it was, okay?

He took it.

I think he says in the thing, he can look it up.

I think he said he took it one time for the pain and every other time for the pleasure.

So yeah, so as you noted there has been a lot more research research in multimodal pain management has exploded and so there is a lot of research to show that it is good for people to do pain medications of different modalities and so this strong anti-inflammatory plus this nerve medicine plus this opioid and You take it for a short amount of time in the immediately post injury post surgery period and then you go to other pain medications

And we do blocks around surgeries.

And the goal is to minimize opioids.

You decrease their side effects.

You still give people excellent pain relief.

So it is the pain management is much different than it

used to be.

And you know what's funny?

It's true because even when I had a root canal.

but a couple of months ago.

And, you know, you always used to be the boy, you go to the dentist and you don't get Percocet or whatever, whatever.

And none of that, it's like three Tylenol and two Advil or so.

And I always said, well, the worst thing you can do is mixed medicines.

You can't do that.

But that's the way they do it now,

correct?

Yeah, multimodal.

That's right.

Yeah.

So you got to be one of the

younger doctors there.

You know what?

I don't think I am, but I love that you say that.

I will take that to

the bank.

But I want to talk about your education.

Dr. Green looks younger.

People.

Do you

want Dr.

Green?

Is it Dr. Green?

No.

So which one?

Who's Dr. Green?

At Titletown?

Yeah.

We got Shepit.

He's sports guy, Lichti.

Oh, maybe he's a chiropractor.

He's married to

Kevin Borst.

He's a chiropractor.

He's chiropractor.

These guys, are you kidding me?

No.

Don't call me.

Is it Green?

OK, I'll think.

If it's a chiropractor.

All right, get back to me.

I just want to talk to you a little bit about your background, because

that's

a long road to become who you are.

Fellowship trained.

Yes.

Does everyone go through that or is that something special for you?

What does that mean to us consumers?

Fellowship trained so fellowship is optional

So to be a practicing physician, you go to college, then you go to four years of medical school.

After medical school, you are a doctor.

You're called doctor now.

You're not able to independently treat patients.

To do that, you have to go to residency.

Residency is long and hard, and it's- Like hell week?

Except it's a half decade.

Except it's three, I know what I was just saying.

Boy, they work you guys.

And then following that, you know, that's like Grey's Anatomy and all that.

Those are residents.

And then following that, you can be done.

You are an independent practicing physician.

You can do one year in orthopedics.

It's one year of subspecialty training.

That is what fellowship is.

It's optional.

Orthopedics has exploded.

Many medical fields have exploded.

It is hard to keep up with the innovations and the different techniques and instrumentation and research.

You kind of can't be good at every single thing.

And so at this point now 90% of orthopedic graduates do a fellowship.

And that makes you subspecialty trained in your field.

And so Bellin, the hires only subspecialty trained orthopedic surgeons.

So it gives you a bit of confidence if whoever you're talking to there, they are going to know what they're talking about.

Yeah.

I love that.

You don't know him though?

I thought he worked for

you

guys.

John's showing him pictures.

It's great for our

listeners.

It's great.

Yeah.

Yeah.

This is great radio.

That looks like a friendly gentleman that I don't personally

know.

Okay.

He must.

Okay.

Never mind.

No, that's from the draft that you guys.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I see.

I notice.

I notice the

environment.

That was

really good radio.

Yeah.

Todd, how you doing buddy?

Todd.

Okay.

So Todd, you were supposed to have an MRI today, correct?

Uh, yeah.

On

your ankle.

Me.

Me.

Yep.

The other ankle.

The other ankle.

Any questions

for our doctor?

No, no, none

at

all.

Sure.

I'm good.

I'm good.

Thank you.

The equipment that you have over at Tidal Town that Bellin runs, that's state of the art.

We were so lucky to have that in Green Bay, right?

I mean, we're an

absolute

size city.

Absolutely.

Man, you guys invested.

I love it.

That's a big reason that I'm there, right?

So huge investment.

So they expect, I mean, like, I do mean this genuinely, they expect excellence.

Like, if you are one of the orthopedic surgeons there, you are expected to be excellent with that.

a lot of resources are sort of entrusted to you, like these facilities, like these facilities, the imaging facilities, the rehabilitation facilities.

And so it is state of the art, the imaging is excellent, the rehab upstairs is excellent.

I want to talk, that's what we talked to Mark about right after, because I had never seen that before.

And with what you talk about the difference in maybe 20 years or 10 years or whatever, where these athletes or anybody

When they're in the rehab, you videotape so much to see if they're doing the techniques right and everything.

And that's amazing what you guys have upstairs there, isn't

it?

It's amazing.

There's a basketball court.

There's turf.

There is the multi-directional cameras that you're talking about, the force plate that you step on.

It's amazing.

I want to talk to you.

That's why I'm here.

I want to know how we got you here.

And you don't have to disclose your salary.

I can tell by your dress that it's very well.

That's your compensation.

Well, why would you ask that?

I don't know.

Your daughter's a doctor.

I know.

I don't care about her salary.

There had to be more than that, because you could have made the same amount anywhere.

Why did you cheat

on her?

There you go.

Dr. David Ruda, Ellen Sports Medicine in the house, back after

this.

Who'da believed you'd come along?

Hey, welcome back.

I know in the mirror here in a good-looking morning.

It's only 42.

You know, it's so funny, but if you don't have in downtown Green Bay, and I'm sure Oshkosh especially, if you don't have a wind, it could be a very nice

day at

40 degrees or it could be a real crappy day the other day where it was 50 and that wind was coming from the Northeast.

Temperatures are up just a little bit.

45 degrees right

now.

Nice.

However, what?

Besides the wind, it's is the sun out or not.

The sun's

out.

It's like, oh, it's a beautiful day.

No, it's still cold, but it's Dr. David Ruda.

Go ahead, Bell and Sports Medicine.

I talk all the time about how fortunate we are to live in Green Bay with our health care systems.

I mean, all three of you guys are doing a good job.

Besides the equipment and fishing and the other reasons some of you guys come here, what was it?

I mean, you probably could have gone a lot of places, as my guess, because most of you doctors can.

Yeah, so the reason that I am here, quite honestly, so I love, I love this city, I love it, is everything that I hoped it would be, my wife loves it.

The thing that initially drew me here was the position, was working for Bellin, that it is, in short, it's kind of the culture.

And so there is the expectation, and then there's the delivery.

The expectation, like I said a moment ago, the expectation really is,

Excellence and so everyone there like you're expected to be very good.

You're expected to know your stuff with that They give you resources to say you have a high work Ethic and you have a high standard use these high quality this high quality machinery to help these people So that is not present everywhere.

You're not always entrusted with that.

That is huge for surgeons who value that

As business gets more competitive and you want to get the best employees because that's really that is besides the equipment everything you bet

And I just interviewed our mayor yesterday about a show that I have coming up.

But the Packers did a good job when they remodeled their facility and people came in and were like, this is awesome.

And municipalities need to do that like a better police station, you know, because people want to come to work out rooms, that kind of stuff.

So I'm glad, Belin, I mean, they're pretty smart what they did.

Not only did they get you good equipment, but you talked about the culture

to

attract some of your buddies.

Absolutely.

So it is like I said, the culture of excellence and then the delivery.

is if you have an urgent problem, it's going to be taken care of.

And that is not just for athletes.

It is across the street from Lambeau.

So there's a strong relationship with athleticism.

I get that.

That is true.

We are good at athletes.

That is true.

However, we take care of a whole lot of non-athletes there.

There's the walk-in clinic there.

You have a problem.

You literally walk in.

It is called a walk-in clinic.

There's no appointment.

You just walk in.

If you need to see a doc, you will be seen.

If not, if you just need some initial rehabilitation, you get that.

And so people, we are involved with high schools locally.

And so it is this culture of high standards, the physical therapy, they are awesome.

They're an academic, the physical therapists are academic there, which means that they're part of a training program.

You have to be pretty good to do that.

You can't kind of fudge your discipline and then be a training institution.

You know what I mean?

So they're gentle on the patient, which is nice, but they're very hard on themselves.

And so if you send your post-operative patients to the physical therapist there,

It's they're just top-notch.

I get asked one question when you

talk about the food we're talking ankles But foot I would think that's got to be a hard one because I've known so many athletes and just going back to the athletic part where they'll break something in their foot and They do whatever they can then it'll break again or their foot injuries are tough I mean it's ended careers.

Yes, and what people would think it would be a seemingly minor

Totally agree.

So the reason for that is it's hard to compensate

So if you've got a little something with your shoulder, you move your elbow differently.

If you've got a little something with your elbow, you move your shoulder differently.

If you've got a problem with your foot, it is hard to compensate.

You walk different.

And athletes are extremely high-performing people.

They just do stuff just a little differently, and then they get new injuries.

Todd, Dr. Ruta brought in

some pictures of...

His

work.

His

surgery.

It's like showing some of your dunk in a ball, like he's real proud of this stuff.

I want to come see it.

It's amazing.

He's made these

metal screws

that he used.

I'm coming in to see it.

It's amazing.

He has a picture of him rehabbing an ankle and

an knee, right?

Ankle replacement, ankle fracture, lots of broken bones.

And these are just for the listeners.

These are all X-rays.

This could not be more hip or compliant.

Another good radio, but this is just amazing what you do.

The metal in that.

Right.

Yeah.

It's healing.

That's visible healing is what that is.

Do

you guys use an

actual drill?

I mean, just a regular...

DeWalt drill?

Yeah, and so you use a drill, and then you tap.

Sometimes you have to tap.

Sometimes they're self-tapping screws in that they make their own threads, and then you put in screws with threads.

That screw

looks like it's from a hardware

store.

Absolutely.

You know what I mean?

That's a screw.

That is a screw.

Yeah, some of them are headless.

Some of them are partially threaded and fully threaded.

Do they stay

in?

Yeah, they stay in.

They

put a rebar in.

They typically do.

So many of these implants can come out if they're bothersome, but they do not have...

Once the bones heal, they're not doing anything.

So you can't take them out if they're problematic.

Yes.

But

otherwise they

stay in there.

They stay in, yeah.

Most of them are titanium now, and the bone likes titanium, and they just stay in there.

If they don't bother you, you don't bother it.

What's the most common foot and ankle injuries you get?

I mean, what are they from?

For

the

normal person.

Yeah, for the normal person.

I see a lot of post-traumatic arthritis.

So lots of us get hip in the arthritis and we just sort of develop it.

It's just built into us sometimes.

Ankle arthritis is very largely post-traumatic.

So you have ankle sprains when you're a younger athlete.

You pull off a little piece of bone here and there and then you fast forward 50 years.

That's post-traumatic arthritis.

Or you have an ankle fracture that becomes arthritis after injury.

And so I see a lot of arthritis.

in the ankles and feet, and then I see deformity.

Okay, can I ask you just one thing about me?

What?

I mean, I come to your

place, Dr. Evan took

care of me for everything.

I got that bone spur that inflames my Achilles tendon.

Could

that bone spur come from the sprained ankles I had?

Not usually.

Not usually.

Let's get back on

course.

Tell me, sometimes old people, they break their hip.

Yes.

And

then they die, like they go

to the hospital.

Is there a correlation there?

Yeah, there's a strong correlation.

And so the way to explain that is kind of the hip fracture for a lot of us, not for all of us.

For a lot of us as we age is sometimes an indicator of decline.

And so it is not that this hip fracture

It's the cause to mortality.

It's an indicator of decline.

And so they have this big surgery and then they have a big recovery.

All right.

And it is difficult to recover from

that.

If everything's declining, that's

OK.

You got it.

You got it.

This guy is awesome.

We got to have him back.

Yeah, can we, can you come back again next week?

I'm serious.

I'm going to come back this afternoon.

We're going to be back in the surface.

We want to talk to you.

We want to give you like a long time.

I'm here.

Because these are things that everybody's coming with.

Right.

Yeah,

that's right.

Bring your invoice pad for John.

Bring some of those screws next time.

Bring screws.

Bring screws.

Bring screws.

I'll bring stickers.

Yes, awesome.

Dr. David Runa.

Thank you so much.

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Hey,

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Special thanks to Dr. David Ruda, Bellensports Medicine.

We're getting him on.

So interesting.

And that, I mean, I, you had some injuries, right?

Tim?

22 surgeries.

How many?

22.

Wow.

Do

you ever

have screws put in you?

I had screws in my heel.

Yeah.

I got a fake hip.

I got a hip replacement.

I got Achilles tendon reconstruction.

I got

some.

You got some.

Wow.

You're sporting some titanium?

Oh yeah.

OK, that's

just I got

some

good

metal

in somebody.

He had this whole whole thing and his little iPad thing.

And to see the screws, I mean, it looks like a construction project.

What they do, it's carpenters on bone.

It is exactly

what they

are.

But

I've never seen that before.

It's

like, look like they're hardware screws.

They do.

It's just

they

do.

Yeah.

The old days after you're dead, we just go pluck the gold out of the teeth.

They're

the

silver now.

Yeah, take that titanium.

Was that all from the military or sports?

Yeah, it was all military.

Because you're a football player too, right?

Yeah.

Okay.

Wow.

Tim Cote here in the House Fox Valley Veterans Council.

They take Memorial Day very seriously.

In fact, not just Memorial Day, they take the whole weekend very, very seriously.

I've been to all their events.

It's incredible based in Appleton.

Tim, go ahead and give a little schedule what you got going on, brother.

Sure.

Thanks.

First thing we got coming up is Saturday morning at the

out of gamey county courthouse at 10 o'clock.

We're going to do our memorial for the 50th anniversary of the end of the Vietnam War.

So we do maintain a list of all those who have died for the nation of their country from the Civil War on.

So we'll be reading the names from the Vietnam War era during that ceremony.

It's a very poignant short ceremony.

There's no speeches.

And

Tim, what's the what's the region of the, because obviously you can't be a brain Wisconsin.

So what's what's the area?

the area for the Fox Live entrance.

Of the names you're reading.

Oh, so that's just out of Gammie County.

Right.

So it'll just be out of Gammie County, because we do, out of Gammie County, I asked us to put it on

for you.

Okay, I got to be honest with you.

We were both at the event a couple of weeks ago at Jack Voigt's place, right on Richmond Street, where they had the breakfast and everything.

And they've got that memorial up there with all the pictures of the deceased from Wisconsin.

Out of Gammie County had a lot.

Yeah, we got about roughly 60, 65 who

Parish that's incredible.

Yeah.

Wow.

Yeah, so what we'll do is We'll have everyone line up what bagpipes playing some really cool kind of yeah, so I'm

very good The best part is when you ring the bell.

Yeah, well, we won't have the bell this time So we won't have the bell because that's a Navy thing so we kind of move it around for different Oh, I didn't know that yeah, so we try to move it and have a different theme so this theme is just is the Vietnam era theme and

Participants, anybody can show up.

Participants can show up.

We'll give them a carnation as we read the names.

They'll walk towards, we'll have like a banner with the names on there that looks like the wall.

And as the names are being read, they can lay a carnation down at the banner.

And then at the end, we'll have a 21 gun salute and taps played.

It's really cool.

It's really cool.

So it's just, it's very, uh, um, Pugnant ceremony.

Um, it gets right to the heart of what we're doing, which is Memorial Day for those who have died.

for their country.

And it's fairly short.

So, you know, if you're trying to get something in for that long weekend and, you know, and people want to go up north and do all those stuff, but they have to remember why we have this weekend.

And not only that, but they'll enjoy their day more.

Yeah.

I just say that all the time when he gives a ton of talks in Memorial Day and sort of die.

It's important that you as a dad take your kids to this.

And they'll enjoy the day more.

And it becomes a tradition.

And so many of these things are in the morning.

I don't know what time.

What time

is this?

It's at

10 o'clock.

OK.

We have something here at Vietnam at 8 o'clock, which I mean, come on.

8 o'clock.

Behind

the Neville?

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah,

so a couple other things going on too.

Yeah, you can get it done and and boom you're you're ready to go right

and you paid your respects and honor it and that's what but if there's no wasted time

there's no wasted time like I said it's not speeches you don't have to worry about a politician talking or anything else yeah no don't need to worry about it

okay just one second I want to divert from that did you see they pulled dead kids

Award that valedictorian because he went too long on the speech.

Oh principles like you know you give that back So his metal they took his metal back after that.

Wow Yeah,

I

went too long crappy.

Yeah, that was a Wow, I don't know was it well, you'd love to pull our title to us politicians We get up there.

We go off script

because

you sports guys do that a lot

all the time Tim Cody are very special guess five veterans council.

Okay,

that's Saturday morning

No, yep, Saturday morning.

That's tomorrow.

And then what else is

going on in the?

So the Scarlet Guard is going to be going to cemeteries in the out of gamey area and they're going to be laying wreaths.

on there.

And then Monday, we'll be taking the Wall of Honor, which is all those who have died in and out of Gamey County for their service from the Civil War on.

And we've created a very large memorial that you can that's draped over 18 Wheeler Truck donated by Great Northern Corporation and Fast Signs is the one who made the

made the tarp force and they hang it on there.

And then that's always the last, that's the last vehicle in the procession.

And it's really cool.

Shout

out to those sponsors.

That G&C is

a great company.

Yeah, G&C is a great company.

They have a, the tractor has photos of veterans in the area.

And so like even they even took one of my photos which is really cool and smoke the cigar inside of my same as pals.

I have

never seen a picture of you in action back then.

Yeah, really?

Oh, I got tons

of them.

I

gotta

check that out.

That's awesome.

And then you know fast signs made it and they and they hang it Which is actually a very delicate process because you're not allowed to step on top of those 18-wheeler truck.

Yeah

trailers.

Yeah.

And where do we witness that?

Tell me.

So that's in starting in downtown Appleton.

Okay.

And it goes down College Avenue and then jigs and jags to Riverside Cemetery.

Nice.

And then Monday.

That is Monday.

That's

Monday.

That's

Monday is doing that.

Okay.

But one of the things that with the ceremonies that you guys have in Audegame County, you guys do a nice job of recognizing.

And like you said, all the people from Audegame County

The Civil War.

Yeah, people realize we lost people in the Civil War right here.

Lots of people.

Lots of people.

I think that's

fascinating.

It

was the most right.

But

the Civil War.

Was it the old Abe?

Was that the old Abe Brigade or something where they

had the eagle?

They were part of the Black Hats, the Iron Brigade.

The Iron Brigade,

that's it.

Iron Brigade,

yeah.

We don't talk a lot about the Civil War.

No, it's amazing.

But that's pretty cool.

You have those names.

And you saw that, it's like.

Holy crap, I didn't know.

Wisconsin played locally right here, played such a part in the Civil War.

Yeah, the Iron Brigade is probably the most famous Union unit.

It was famous, obviously, that they called it the Iron Brigade because it stood significant charge.

It got very famous in Chancellor Sparrow and Gettysburg, most casualties.

And they also called them the Black Hats.

They wore these black.

Kind of almost like top hats at the time the Civil War is fascinating if you love history always

read about the south and get ease for you Forget these are local kids right

and Americans fighting Americans to which is really weird.

That's

that war

Very tragic, but

it

was but very needed obviously.

Yeah, well some people in the south you gotta remind them we won

I had a friend in law school African-American and we were having a constitutional

discussion over the stars and bars and the rebel flag and whether it should be allowed or not allowed.

And he was the only African-American kid in that class.

And the professor, he sat right next to me.

We both had played football.

And he was sitting right next to me and the professor said, well, Eric, what do you think about that?

And he goes, that just tells me someone's dumb enough to stand up there and go, look at me, I'm 0-1.

You know, that's, I'll tell you what, though, I got a good buddy who's probably listening, Ronnie Umentum, when he was in Vietnam and they had a kid from Kentucky who flew the Rebel flag.

Remember, he told the

story on the

air and he asked, he asked Ronnie, what did he say?

If we fought again, who do you think would win?

He goes, what do you mean?

Because North against the South, South would win this time.

He goes,

No,

Ronnie.

No, that's no it wouldn't because we got the industry.

We've got the whatever we'd kick your Yeah, I mean he said he pulled out his m16.

They had

to get

him out of the company He was so mad about good.

See it again.

See it again the self-lossed.

Yeah, they had to get him out of this.

You gotta admit There's he wasn't the only he's not the only one down there, but you know what?

Well, you know, I love the Civil War one because it's

I think it's a time when everything from privates to general officers and politicians wrote long detailed letters to their folks at home.

And so you have that encapsulated.

And you can read these letters.

I mean, from what you would think would be uneducated folks, they're writing home and they're talking about the food, the medical care, how boring it is, along with the tragedy and everything else.

But I loved it because for so many years, I thought it was a great.

teaching point to the world on how a country could heal itself over a tragic sin that we had been committing and then a tragic event to stop that sin.

And the wounds that were opened and the history that was required to fix that.

And I remember being in Europe and people talking about, they couldn't believe that, you know, there was all of this battle.

replaying the battles and people being southern supporters and people being northern supporters and and You know that was a time when we were I would say getting along a lot better in our country But I used to use that to the Europeans as a great example of how free speech works and how it heals and that both sides could could talk in kind of honor I mean clearly You know there was a sin that we were fixing in that war right just an unpardonable sin of slavery but you know

There's still your brothers and sisters in the country, right?

And we had to we had to heal and I thought we were doing that very well and I think we've kind of tried to reopen some of those wounds again, but

I just I want to go back to the letters because you read those letters and you know the the greeting you know my my dearest charlotte that would be like hi babe

My dearest Charlotte how my heart is you know weary and blah blah blah is it another they're not a kid wrote one for me right there cuz it is hotter than bleep out here my bleep or sweat like you can't bleep and bleed yeah

anyway that's nice that you're right it is doesn't encapsulate from their perspective which I think

is the best perspective, really.

Tim Cote, Fox Valley Veterans Council Memorial Day ceremonies coming up, of course, this weekend.

Tim, how's our nation, how's our local area in remembering Memorial Day weekend as something to commemorate and not celebrate?

Yeah, that's kind of a good point.

When I talk to people, I don't want to take their lovely three-day weekend or four-day weekend away from them, right?

All I just tell them is,

You just need to do something to to commemorate while you're having this weekend.

Yeah, right.

That's kind of why I like that set that Ceremony on Saturday because it's I mean, it's a half an hour long, right?

It doesn't take a huge commitment, but it's powerful That's

just

the point.

It's one

hell of a half

hour.

Yeah, and you know, I think there's there's tons of stuff going on it

It actually can be challenging for groups like us, because we're all competing against each other to get people to come to our

events.

I want to underscore that what you just said about the, there's a lot of things going on.

I

mean, it was, you know, I just remember sometimes speaking at four or five events in that day at different times.

So there's no excuse not to show your respect.

And

you said, some of these are eight in the morning.

The one that we have here on the water from the United Patriarch Society is at four in the afternoon.

That's cool

too.

There's you gotta do something.