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Man feeling good coming up off of this holiday off of both jobs on Labor Day
It was a Sunday night.
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yeah, man.
That was Monday.
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And I saw that and I just thought I was like, I feel like I should not be seeing this right now.
Yeah, it was that was crazy.
man?
I didn't say free Palestine.
So, you know.
other.
Man, ain't nobody.
Listen, you would have been
Say what I say.
Because you're so short.
I mean, my point is to be right over your head.
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Oh, you can't say that?
Can't say the T word.
Wait.
You can say the N word, though.
Speaking of N word.
Radio is interesting.
The things we are allowed to say.
And the things you can't say.
Call them niggas.
We can say nigga 10 times on the radio.
Nothing's wrong
with even.
What about Hodo?
Hodo.
And they can block me.
They can block me.
You just walking down a well-lit aisle.
Like, what the hell is going on?
How y'all feeling, man?
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I got kids.
That's why NPSA fully funded now.
They busy looking on maybe Shannon Payne.
They funded me.
I'm joking.
I'm
don't even need new batteries.
Did y'all try
know you're just showing the camera.
That's not the camera for us.
Hit it on the desk and see what happened.
Just
One good time.
The fact that you can hear the noise of it popping apart.
our family in the
She made a Latin version to that, right?
And then Selena fans was upset about it.
There was upset about it and we're gonna get into that.
Then we have on the same line now Latino black type conversations Joe budding was not Joe, but in fact Joe was on the Joe budding podcast And he said I'm the blackest n-word y'all know you've ever met and he said that in front of group a black man Mark Lamont Hill was not on there by the way, and he also doubled down and said I wish
Malcolm Lamont Hill was a he called him Malcolm so we can have this conversation.
So we're going to talk about who gets to you.
I feel like we had this exact same topic before, but who gets to use the N word and what makes someone black because he went into all these different things as to why he was black, right?
And we're going to try to play some of the things about it.
And then Mark responded, but he was not on the show.
So we responded from his own YouTube.
Also, Shannon, on the menu, we want to talk about this is going to be our meat and potatoes, right?
We want to talk about the Lindsey Clancy case and what just happened.
All right.
We want to talk about sympathy.
How is that distributed?
You have a sector of people that are saying, oh, you know, they neglected her and she deserved this and people didn't blah, blah, blah.
And then there's other people's is like murderer.
She's a murderer.
She killed her kids.
She should face the highest extent of the law.
So we're going to get into that, Shannon.
And we had a pretty good soft launch of this conversation this morning.
So I'm excited to get into it.
But anything else you want to share before you take us to break, Shannon?
No, no, I think we got it all on the table.
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We got a bunch of amazing topics today, man.
We just gave you all a rundown on what's on the menu.
Now we're about to get into this little appetizer, right, Shannon whipped up.
this Selena and Beyonce medley of, you know, conversations where people feel away.
I'm going to let Shannon share this with you.
And this is great for the segment following too.
So let's get into this, Shannon.
Yeah.
So Beyonce released the anniversary edition on September 4th with a Latin influence, like with Latin influenced material, including.
a few songs in Spanish and it seems that critics online have accused her of using major Latino icons and Latino culture as a business move rather
than
genuine appreciation.
So people basically are criticizing her saying basically saying she's appropriating their culture.
Like they are heavy on the criticism of a Beyonce.
They've also accused her of doing it for clout, which is crazy because it's Beyonce.
Uh, be for real.
Um,
got to the point.
Right.
The criticism got so heavy that Selena's husband had to publicly defend Beyonce.
So they was going ham in the comments.
They were like to the point where he had to speak up and he said Beyonce was showing respect to Selena and essentially asked fans why they couldn't appreciate that another major artist wanted to highlight her legacy.
Um,
Yeah, the family also approved of her use of Selena's music.
So it's mostly it's Selena's fans with this criticism.
But yeah, the argument right now is basically cultural appreciation versus basically her trying to commercialize it, I guess.
They're trying to say she's doing this tapping into the Latino audience for profit.
And yeah, that she basically says she don't belong there.
And I feel like on our side, we can argue they're both from Texas.
And my thing is, like, do these people forget that Selena was also her first language was English.
English.
Like, what are we?
It was straight up.
Like, I
think
from
She was from Texas like Beyonce.
What are we talking about?
So it just, it just.
Shows all these micro aggressions right and in the comments and in the arguments that they're making is Basically like like dog whistles and mark micro aggressions.
It's not like Beyonce needs cloud or needs this extra money or is doing it in a disrespectful way either It was approved by the family in the state.
So what's the issue?
don't think people associate Selena with Selena Gomez.
to arrange a list.
You know what I'm saying?
But even I believe in that, like, when people say
Selena
and it.
It comes Selena.
When people say Selena, they
think Selena.
Yeah.
You gotta say Selena Gomez.
Selena Gomez is Selena Gomez.
For me, exactly.
Come on now,
when Shannon
have to make... We don't have to hear this case in court.
It's like people saying Ray Nitty Frank Nitty.
Like it's two different names.
At least Selena and Selena is the same name.
No, Selena is just Selena and no other.
Every other Selena and Selena Gomez.
Yeah, it doesn't matter.
We didn't identify at the beginning.
Oh,
this actually.
We gotta get to the bottom of this, because I feel like you're the only person in the world, probably.
Because even then, her artist name is Selena.
And what is Selena's?
Selena Gomez.
Gov by Selena Gomez.
So when you say Selena, I've called Selena Gomez Selena.
That's the, you're calling her the
It's Selena Gomez.
But don't nobody like if we got to make this a vote now or a Facebook status or something because no, but if
Selena, they're going to think I don't even care if I got a friend named
I'm going to be like Selena.
It depends on the generation.
It depends on the generation.
I don't think so.
If I ask my son who's 16, when you hear of Selena, if somebody says Selena in the music or Selena music, I don't think he necessarily randomly just says, oh.
We're talking about Selena Quintanilla, the tahino superstar.
No.
I kind of want to test this out.
We got to test it out.
We got to test it out.
We going to test it out.
But anyway, that's not what we're here to discuss, right?
We ain't even Latin talking about.
Well, I got Cuban in me.
I got Cuban interroving in me.
So do I get to say a lot of these?
I
almost said it some while.
Never mind.
Shannon.
My daughter is Mexican.
That's all I got.
it.
There we go.
That's how you say that in the better.
What?
What?
All right.
a
Whoa.
All right, man.
So let's talk about it though.
Let's talk about it, right?
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No, we're not talking about are we?
Do you think of Selena Gomez or Selena Biddy Bomba?
We're talking about the rights and is Beyonce culturally appropriating Latino music?
Latino music?
Is she doing it for clout?
I say hell no.
The Queen B don't need no clout.
Literally like please be for real.
I think it's like it like it has it's straight out racism or insanity like there's no way these people think
They're talking about culturally appropriating music that was culturally from Africa
Come on now.
A lot of Latin like I grew up in the Virgin Islands.
I was surrounded by Cubans, Puerto Ricans, Mexicans, people from all types of Latino countries where we exchange cultural experiences, right?
I grew up not grew up.
I grew up in in Hidden Valley.
Ross Valley is why we used to call it.
It wasn't much Latino.
Yeah, Hidden Valley, but the slang word was Ross Valley is what we call it.
Hidden Valley, Building 12, Apartment 215.
That's why I stayed, right?
Up the hill.
And.
The the like down in the town close by the waterfront is where like Spanish town is a lot where the Spanish people were, but we hung out over there.
We kicked it with a lot of them.
We played with a lot of a lot of people in the Virgin Islands.
still speak some level of Spanish because of how many Hispanic and Latino folks actually still reside in the Virgin Islands because of the proximity of how close we are.
You know, we never was like, man, don't don't don't come here.
You know what I'm saying?
Like, don't use our language.
Don't use our curry seasonings or any of these things.
You know what I'm saying?
Even let's let's be one hundred.
Let's be one hundred.
I wonder if Latinos even understand they, they famous Spanish rice was derived from an African dish.
Come on now.
So it's interesting to hear all of these folks talk about.
culturally appropriating something and doing something for cloud where they don't even understand the origin of their own culture, where a lot of their Latin experiences and foods and dances and sounds and music derived from Africa.
I don't think they get that, Shannon.
And you sent us a
lot of people don't.
And they think we being like they think we're making these things up.
or trying to basically like just
oh
well we make everything we run the world like no we're we're just being realistic a lot of things derive from african culture like you said most things derive from african culture or african-american culture which is crazy so it's like they tried like even when it comes to country music and the way they treat Beyonce for a country album they don't realize what how heavily influenced by our culture country music was
like people don't realize that like we really are the blueprint
or even earrings gold like black women wearing big gold hoop earrings huge in the Puerto Rican culture that was like that's that wasn't that that came from Africa that was our culture and we share it openly with other civilizations we don't
hoard it to ourselves or say, oh, you don't like you can't use it.
Like, no, we welcome a lot of people.
And I think because of that is why we have situations like Joe Budden and Joe Budden and Fat Joe.
I believe
Where we're so welcoming in our black communities, our black culture, our African culture, that people think because they live around it long enough or they immerse themselves in it.
long enough that they have the same black passes that, you know, black people have to live with, I guess.
So when we come back, Shannon, we're going to get into.
We got a video you said earlier, and it's going to be a nice bridge, right?
From our Selena conversation to maybe we might still go into the Selena a little bit more, right?
But it'll be a good bridge to this.
Fat Joe Joe, but in conversation.
So we'll play that video when we come back right here on the award winning one on one seven the truth.
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tangle himself up.
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didn't got tangled up between the chords in the studio.
He was salsa dancing over there, y'all.
Don't mind
I ain't really get to, you know, hit that, that real, you know, bachata.
Man, speaking of bachata, horchata came from Africa too.
They don't even know that.
You know what?
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All right.
We talking about culture.
I don't even want to say culture appropriation, right?
Because that's too easy.
Like hearing that, they saying Beyonce was culture.
Like, it just drives me up the wall because it's like, are we, are we for real right now?
Like, be effing for real, please, y'all.
Like what?
mean everything!
messed with Drake,
out.
EVERYTHING!
a-
I understand it because he is from Toronto.
And it is a huge Caribbean population out there.
So it's like, I got to respect it in a sense.
Like, I can't.
Carabana is out there.
One of the largest Caribbean Carnival festivals in the country.
Well, Canada ain't really our country, but, you know, on the continent, I should say.
But.
Well, you know, I understand it.
But if Drake done wrapped in Spanish, he done wrapped in UK, British, and would have split pop pop in the soup.
He done wrapped like that.
Where?
He done did it all.
American, African American.
He done been everything.
He
done it
He done done it all.
Done took it all, done took it all, super colonizing, super settler.
But, oh man, but, but that's an actual, we can get into Drake if we want to, but I just think it's a great example, right?
Because Drake is half black and half white.
And then we've seen spaces where he definitely showed up more predominantly white, probably earlier in his career, right?
And later in his career as music became more good for him and good to him, you know, he started leaning into the blackness of it.
But there's video of him talking about how he thinks like the way that Canadian slang, Toronto slang was.
And when they say, oh, the man's dim is the man's dim is on the way we upside by the ends.
You know, he clearly, he vividly said, oh no, it's kind of ignorant.
You know, he sitting at a table with a bunch of bunnies.
You know what I'm saying?
We got to see if we find that video where he was talking about how they talk.
We got to play this first video
first.
Yeah,
the
Of course.
Mexicans are going to leave a bad taste for black Americans for a while.
I'm really over trying to educate other Mexicans.
I'm just going to tell you how it is.
A lot of y'all used microaggressions against Beyonce.
By the way, I saw Mexicans disrespect Beyonce.
I didn't see black Americans disrespect Selena.
But again, the microaggressions saying she wants to be Latina, saying she wants to be Mexican, telling her to stay in her lane.
Those were microaggressions.
And then some of you all tried to gaslight.
Black Americans.
You can't gaslight Black Americans about microaggressions.
They are single-handedly the most educated ethnic group in recognizing microaggressions.
And it's not even close.
Number two, you guys overlooked Black Americans' contribution to country music.
FYI, Black Americans had a huge role in the creation of country music.
And country music tried its hardest to delete those contributions.
So accusing Beyonce a black American of wanting to do country music as a money grab and for clout is actually really disrespectful.
And number three, you may not like this song, but I don't think Beyonce had bad intentions.
She doesn't need it for clout.
She doesn't need it for money.
She's Beyonce.
I truly think she just wanted to pay homage to Selena.
Mexicans are going to leave a
That was also for me.
I still like to.
I got to
back home.
To piggyback on what you said earlier about us letting people in the culture and not really like being super protective of it.
I think that is also why people feel so comfortable when we do say like, oh, like this originated from us.
Like and it could be or when we dabble back into it like country music when we
write,
even when came on show like.
She went into country music and people were like bashing her about it.
And she was like, I went to, she had like a scholarship or something crazy for yodeling.
Like it's like people just assume like we can't do all these things or it doesn't come from us because we're so welcoming and we're so open to letting other people dabble in our stuff
without being like, this is
ours.
You can't do that.
like try to get back into it.
like it's
Think about it.
Let's think about it, right?
The South Africans, the Africanas we just spoke about.
They literally are on stolen land, literally on stolen land and feel like this is still their land.
Still feel like, oh, they deserve it because now Africans are putting in laws that says, no, we're going to retroactively take this land back and give it to the people because what you inherited was land that was stolen.
If you inherited a stolen car, it is still a stolen car.
No matter when this person decides that, oh, shoot, that's my car.
Right.
So they like, what do you mean you're coming back for to do country music and rock and roll music and like Latino
music?
They almost feel like, feel like that family member you borrowed $10 to and then you kind of, y'all both forget about it.
You come out like, hey, can I get that thing?
What do you mean you want some
It's like, wait, what?
I dare you.
What do you mean?
What do you mean that this thing that I borrowed from you that you graciously shared with me that now you want it back so you could use?
No, it's mine now.
Yeah.
I promise you one day we're going to have a real conversation about, you know, I ain't even going to damper the moon, but I'll say that for another day.
Let's uh brother Z got that video up Shannon.
Let's uh play that video
culture was actually stolen or co-opted from black and african practices cuisine and traditions Here are five staples of latin american culture that further prove black culture really is the blueprint number one
Orchata originated in Northern Africa around 2400 BC and spread into West Africa and Spain.
African people who were enslaved and trafficked into Mexico brought this tradition with them and now it is a staple of Mexican cuisine.
Number two, bomba.
Bomba, a traditional Puerto Rican style of music and dance, was brought to Puerto Rico by enslaved West Africans, primarily the Congolese.
Bomba is a call-and-response style of music that was used to express resistance, anger, and sadness amongst the enslaved West Africans who were trafficked to the Americas.
Bomba is also a major influence in reggaeton.
Mofongo and mango, which are staples of Puerto Rican, Dominican, and Caribbean cuisine in general, were inspired by the West African dish, Fufu.
Afro-Latinos and Tainos
will combine
traditions and ingredients to create their own versions of this dish.
Number four, Punta.
Punta music often attributed to... That's what I thought.
When they said punta, I
like, hold on now.
Right, don't get it in trouble.
Just call me Nelisa Call me Ken.
Look at that fufu.
Number five, rice dishes.
West Africans play a political role in popularizing rice in Latin America.
Dishes like arroz con pollo and arroz rojo, which use a heavy tomato base, are derivative of Jalaf rice, like origins in countries like Senegal, Nigeria, and Ghana.
The list goes on.
So make sure to share any additional black or African practices that have become staples of Latin America.
I'm just saying.
I'm just
They might not even have no flavor for one for us.
They might have been.
They might have been leaning closer towards they colonizer side of the food spectrum.
Hort Chata, that's the most prized, delicious, milky treat.
It came from us.
You don't hear us saying we want it back.
Well, you don't hear a saying like man, you can't like now you can't like no You don't hear a saying that
And a lot of times like I said before like we be knowing like the origin of a lot of this stuff and we don't well
is
ours, but it's only when we get tested in times like this we bring it up And then all of a sudden we tripping are we doing too much?
We think everything ours straight up
Some of their most favorite dishes and dances and sounds.
We that was just five.
That was just five things.
The Jim Bay drum, the Congo drum, the bank like, come on, man.
Come on, listen to the sounds in the music.
Latino music has very.
Similar tones and patterns and drum patterns and sounds to Afro beats.
But.
We'll come back when we come back, Shannon, I think we're going to get into this a little more.
We're going to slide over to the fat Joe portion of this conversation and close this hour before we get into the meat and potatoes.
So don't go anywhere, y'all, when we come back on our excuse me.
I need some horchata.
Don't go anywhere, y'all.
When we come back, we'll get back into the rest of the menu right here on the lunch break.
Don't go anywhere.
It's your boy Ray Nitty.
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We having a good conversation today, man.
This is an amazing bridge song, too, by the way.
We talking about the hypocrisy question, Shannon.
We're talking about the hypocrisy, right?
So just to set it up, right?
Just to set it up.
We want to make a point.
And I feel like it's worth stating because some of the same fans upset about a black artist, Beyonce, not just no regular black artist, right?
Collaborating with a state approved.
All right, you have to get approval has been approved husband approved had to come out and stamp it like y'all better back up off the Queen on one one Selena track All right Have not applied the same scrutiny to fat Joe's decades of Profiting from and claiming ownership over black hip-hop culture including using a word
with specific anti-black history.
The nigga word.
That's the one we talking about that word.
All right.
And if the standard is outsiders shouldn't profit from or claim another group's culture, that standard should apply consistently in both directions.
That's all we're saying.
Give us back our horchata.
Give us back our rice.
Give us back our drums.
Give us back our dances.
But no, that's not see that's the thing, right?
I feel like Shannon in this in this world like black people have gotten treated so crazy Everybody is worried that black people are going to treat them the exact same way they treated black people.
Yeah, I think that's the biggest fear And we have never know
how they treated us we have never we've been nothing but graceful Nothing but graceful and and like you said like welcoming
Too welcome to the fact that and then the only thing I think the only thing that we ask is that we Get the recognition for these things like ain't nobody asking like we don't even be asking like give it back and don't do it no more We like give us our recognition.
Don't even want that they'd be mad when we bring
oh, you know, we Originated that we brought that to y'all.
We are the blueprint.
We did that.
Yeah, don't act like it's yours.
Like, well, let us let us indulge in our own stuff.
Like, that's like inviting somebody in your backyard.
Now you can't go outside.
Like, we just want to.
Can we go back into our backyard?
It's like, don't act
really for trying to.
Dabble in our own stuff.
We got it.
We got a clip.
You got that clip up.
We got a clip fat Joe was on the Joe button podcast and I think this is the Mark Lamont Hill response to so I don't think this is the actual response but essentially just to set up the response to this clip, right?
He was on the Joe button buttons podcast and somebody asked him about and I haven't seen the full interview so
I don't have the exact context, right?
But essentially, he was saying he's the blackest person any of these black men on the show has ever seen or met.
A show where Malcolm and I'm calling him Malcolm, man, they may Malcolm.
Mark Lamont Hill is on the show, a very outspoken, articulate black man that speaks up for black.
Culture and black injustice all the time.
He said he's blacking in his do.
He ain't specifically say that, but he said he's the blackest person y'all ever met.
Said that uses the n word frequently.
I still cringe.
I still cringe when he use it.
I still cringe when DJ Khaled use it.
I still cringe a little bit when Drake use it.
It don't feel natural.
What
say, the thing with that, though.
We all, we have like a radar when we know people are forcing it and when it's natural or not.
Like I saw a video on, it was on Instagram and it was flowing natural.
I was like, I ain't really mad at it cause it feel natural.
Like, but when people are forcing it, you can tell, you can feel it.
You can feel that they just, they've been itching to say it their whole life.
And it's like, why?
Why do you
say this so bad?
It's weird.
It
out of place.
all love.
I'm a big fan and I think he's dope.
But in that interview, our brother Imani asked him a question.
And he said, he referenced Fat Joe's use of the N-word in the past.
And he said, and I'm going to read the quote, because I don't want to say it wrong.
He said, you had a very strong opinion on, yo, this is my culture too.
Fat Joe seemed a little agitated.
He said, what's the question?
He said, do you feel like there was any point where you were wrong in what you represented?
And they're getting at this inward conversation.
They're getting at this inward piece.
And fundamentally, he's asking why he thinks it's OK to use the N word if you're not Black.
Fat Joe said something that has made the internet go up.
One thing is he defended his use of the N-word, but he specifically said, uh, I'm the blackest nigga you know.
Right?
I'm the blackest nigga you ever seen in your life is the exact quote.
I am the blackest nigga you've ever seen in your life.
He also said, asking about the N-word question, he said, are you crazy?
This is a no-brainer.
I grew up in hip-hop where they invented hip-hop.
He said, guys, I don't know if you can fathom that I'm from the block that invented hip-hop, Melly Mel, Grandmaster Flash.
The girls who used to babysit me, they invented, let me hear you say, ooh, that's Grandmaster Flash.
I grew up with Melly Mel right outside the window playing basketball.
And he's going on to tell his hip-hop kind of bona fides.
And in doing that, he said, again, Fat Joe is the blackest nigga you've ever seen in your life.
Go look it up.
Now, part of what he's talking about is the fact that he was raised in forest houses, which is a housing project in the Bronx.
If you care, it's the more senior section.
It is super black there.
Some people say half and half.
Some people say it's more black than Latino, but whatever.
It's a very black space.
That's Fat Joe's argument.
Can we?
Oh, that was it.
Well, sure.
Let it ride.
We can come back and talk about it.
Well, I think there's some context in there that we needed to.
To hear but either way, maybe we we got the gist of it But he was in there essentially saying he grew up and on this block that Where hip-hop was was born and and so forth They would say August 11th 1973 at a back-to-school party in the recreation room 15 20 said wig
Sedgwick Avenue in South Bronx, New York, right?
He talking about Cool Hurt.
You know, his name is Clive Campbell, hosted a party organized by a sister.
Talking about all of these things, right?
Elements, DJ and MCNB boy in graffiti.
And we don't get back into it because I don't want to rush it in this last 30 seconds here, right?
When we come back, y'all, we don't get into.
the hip hop culture and Fat Joe's comments saying he was immersed in said culture.
So he could say the N word and he is black and he's blacker than black men that was actually on the podcast.
So when we come back y'all on the award winning one on one, seven of truth, we'll get deeper into the conversation.
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What up y'all welcome back welcome back welcome back what it do is our two with the lunch break crew y'all it is lunchtime Man we're talking about what's
on the menu
a word
problem with even saying that.
Like, come on.
Like, oh my goodness.
We like to start.
Especially people in New York, especially people in the Bronx, especially Puerto Ricans.
We love to start the story of hip hop in New York, and that's not true.
That's not where it started from.
Hip hop, the energy of hip hop.
It was an originally an immigrant sound.
All right, I'm going to give them a quick history, Shannon, before we get into Fat Joe.
OK.
It's roots and DNA Came straight from Jamaica Jamaica Jamaica the Jamaican connection for hip hop a lot of people don't even give Jamaica the proper credit for its influence in the hip hop
Okay.
DJ Cool Herk.
The same person he mentioned.
He didn't mention that the father of hip hop DJ Cool Herk, AKA Clive Camp.
Clive is a Jamaican name.
He moved to the Bronx from Kingston, Jamaica when he was 12 years old, Shannon.
Our sound system culture in the Caribbean.
Okay, and Jamaica DJs used to set up massive mobile speakers in the streets to throw outdoor parties hurt copied this exact setup for his Bronx block party Toasting Toasting right I'm giving y'all a little I should do this whole thing in my accent.
Just so these people can understand Or not understand for the for the lack of bet I was Jamaican DJs would talk brag and chant
Remember I said back in the day we used to call freestyle and chanting.
Chanting over the instrumental sides of reggae records.
This tradition was called toasting and it is a direct.
It is the direct ancestor of MCing and rapping.
So it'd be funny when they have all of this like energy, New York Bronx.
It's cool.
But that's not tell the full story.
Tell the full story of where hip hop and the culture actually came from speed it up so we could get through this.
So when Herk arrived in New York, he blended his Jamaican party style with American music.
He took the sound system set up and the toasting style from Jamaica.
OK, he then applied it to American funk and disco records.
That's what the Bronx youth was listening to American funk and disco records.
All right So that's the history when you talk about culture and then we'll go into To fat Joe now right in his comments because we gave them a little A little yeah, somebody says that's where reggae tone came from.
Absolutely.
It's called reggae tone a tone of reggae
Like, what are we talking about?
Critical thinking.
It's not that critical.
But some people just don't.
They don't even want to think at all.
They just want to think horchata is theirs.
And that's cool.
But back to Fat Joe, right?
So he said, and I mess with, I almost, I mess with Fat Joe.
I mess with his music.
Still cringe when he say the n-word, right?
But I still cringe.
But he says he grew up in black neighborhoods.
His grandmother lived in a 99% black neighborhood.
He said, what else he said?
He said,
What else he said?
He grew up in a black neighborhood.
He's from the block where hip hop was born.
That's not true.
From the block where hip hop settled because it came over from, you know, hip hop is an immigrant, you know, hip hop is an immigrant.
If they could, they would send hip hop back to where it came from.
Hmm.
All right.
Yeah,
he said all of these things.
Come
They like to keep it and send the people back.
So he is saying that because he's from this block, hip hop included in the Bronx, he lived amongst black people, lived in these poor neighborhoods, he lived in the ghetto, he lived in the hood.
That makes him blacker than any black person experienced.
And it's a problem with that for me, right?
My problem with it is because We have allowed people to think just because Not even think we have allowed people to associate poverty the hood and being amongst these things as credible Passes for somebody to say they black or they could use the n-word
because they hang around us or any of these type of things.
Or like poverty-stricken environments.
It's like you can go to the trailer park and witness all the same, all the poverty and all types of hood activities, but they call it something different.
Exactly.
So that isn't black.
That doesn't validate your blackness.
Why does...
People outside of our race or culture think because they were in the worst amongst the worst of us That that means that they were black and it's crazy We associate all the negative things with being black so much so that people now think oh, I lived in the hood.
I'm black I could say the n-word
eight, three, three, two, one, two, ten, seventeen is a number to die.
We want to hear your thoughts.
Who, who do you allow to say that?
And where do you allow Latinos to say it around you?
Do you allow?
Any other race, Indians, Palestinians, whatever, do we allow them to say it?
What was you about to say, Shannon?
And then we got Marlon on the line.
We'll talk to him after
you.
Go ahead, take Marlin call.
I lost my train.
I thought I was a can't remember exactly.
Hey, what's going on?
So here's one thing you got to take into consideration in this.
So because he's from Milwaukee and because it's so segregated here, a lot of times for us, people outside our culture, when they say the N word, it's like a blasphemy type thing.
on the east coast and the west coast, Hispanics and everybody, because they're so intertwined with everything, they both Hispanics say all the time out on the east coast and the west coast to black people.
So for here, it's like a culture shock, but out there, it's not necessarily a culture shock because Latin people, especially Puerto Ricans and Dominicans, especially out east Puerto Ricans and Dominicans,
A lot of times they saying it as well.
So that's the thing we got to take into consideration here because we don't we really don't have a lot of Dominicans and Puerto Ricans who hang out with black people where in the East Coast and the West Coast, they do.
But this is what I was.
Yeah, it's plenty Latinos here that I hang out with.
I went to Riverside University, one of the most diverse high schools.
Most diverse high schools.
I didn't hear a bunch of Latino people saying that word at Riverside.
I heard it more as culture became more, let me see, as our culture became more appropriated and mainstream and people started, oh, this black culture is really profitable.
And everybody was trying to.
imitate black culture, but that doesn't give people a right to use a degrading word for a community just because always normal out there.
And I think that's the conversation we have in Brother Marlin.
Have we made it so acceptable?
Have we made our culture so welcoming that outsiders could come in, take an offensive word that we turned and made it to a sense of endearment for us, which I'm still trying to understand how, uh, how did that happen?
But now, you know, everybody is using it and don't see the cringe problem in it.
That's more so what
I
that.
I mean, my situation, you know, when I go out there and like when I'm out west, I lived out west for a little while, I heard them say it all the time.
It was cringe-worthy to me.
And then I'm asking the brothers, like, why are you letting them, you know what I'm saying?
They all say it all the time.
Now, I was out there in the mid-90s, you know what I'm saying?
And then the West Coast, because I was in the Marine Corps, so I traveled back and forth.
So yeah, the same thing was on the East Coast for me as cringe worthy, you know, and it's just, it's just one of those things I think that ultimately though, the new, the younger generations, they don't, they don't really have that, uh, defended at all costs, you know, defend our culture at all costs type feeling, you know, the black Panthers, they had to defend our, find our culture, help our culture at all costs.
You know, and that that would all wait, but I don't think this new culture.
I don't have that.
I don't think they have that defended at all costs.
Now, Fat Joe is probably more my age.
So I don't know, you know, again, I think it's because he's Puerto Rican and he lives out east that he says it.
Now, when he goes other places, will he be able to say it?
That's a different deal.
I think Fat Joe gonna
problem
We have allowed it so comfortable, so comfortable that we even I've even heard people say they got certain white people that they allow to say the n word because they grew up or lived amongst black people.
Yeah.
That's our problem.
We've watered down everything about us.
We've turned everything terrible into we always turned our pain into some sort of endearment or passion or pleasure, and that I feel has weakened our cultural system here.
So much so that.
We we ask it for Spanish rice instead of Jolof rice.
And not even understanding Spanish rice come from Jolof rice.
And don't come with that fact because they don't look at you like you're crazy.
We got some comments.
I don't
I like the extra crunch.
But it also originated from us.
I'm over here looking at the comments.
You want to read them, Shannon?
Yeah, so I got Blake Gump G Love Family He Wrong.
Aaron said gotta love the melting pot of our music.
I don't even like when black people say it around me a lot Come on the shadow Damn
it.
That's a long name.
Come on.
We don't allow that on the West
Coast player But that bar said facts to call her however, I don't Ever like to be called one because I do have a government name you will use regarding me and I think that's important too because like
I've mentioned before a lot of these people using the word don't realize like there's a time and place as well.
But because we are from it and we understand it and we understand where it came from.
We know there's a time and a place and we also know certain people don't like to be called that.
So that's not something you just throw out all willy nilly either.
Like we have some type of week.
We got a radar on when and where are you going to use that?
Like some
people will take offense to that.
Some people don't like it.
Like I said before, even when it comes to.
A friend group, do I call some of my friends to be word?
Do I call my sister to be word?
Sure.
But I'm not going to just walk up to a woman on the street and be like, what are you talking to?
I'm not
going to use
that to somebody's mother.
I'm not going to use that in a work environment.
So people use the word so freely because they don't know where to originate from and how and when to use it.
But we're going to get back into that after these messages.
Don't go anywhere.
What up y'all welcome back welcome back welcome back it is the lunch break crew Ray nitty Maybe Shannon DJ brother Z holding us down with the production and sound man live on the award-winning 1017 the truth from the American family insurance studios How y'all feeling the the phone lines is packed man a 3 3 2 1 2 10 17 is the number to dial a 3 3 2 1 2 10 17 is the number to dial we are talking about
How we allow people to get in our culture, use this word that is offensive or not even just a word, right?
Because I don't think it's just about the N word.
It's just about people feeling like they have place.
They have dominion in our culture without paying the proper respects to it.
We talked about Fat Joe and knowing the history or knowing the history where a lot of the things that they view as their culture was inspired by us.
We talked about horchata.
That came from Africa.
We talked about timbo.
That sound came from Africa.
Those dances came from Africa.
We talked about Spanish rice.
That came from Africa, the Jolof rice.
All right?
A lot of, that was just five simple things that we was talking about, y'all.
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Mark, how are you doing?
You live with the Lunch Break crew.
Hey, I'm
I was just thinking a lot of people think Latinos are race, right?
But it's an ethnicity.
then there's black Latinos, there's white Latinos, my dad's Brazilian, but like I got, I'm white, I got blue eyes, you know, so I feel like there's some nuance there.
I'm gonna let, I'm gonna go so the other people can have a chance to speak too, but I felt like there was some nuance there.
So like in Brazil, for example, there was...
There was 50% of all the enslaved Africans came to Brazil the United States at 2% Then there's people all different races.
There's the most Japanese people outside of Japan and Brazil.
There's a lot of Asian people There's a lot of but then Latino people that people are called Latino when they come from Latin America and Then you like even in Brazil everybody says the n-word like it's become culturally not it's
become culturally unacceptable to say it in the last 10 years.
But like everybody would just say it because everybody would say, hey, I'm kind of black.
Yeah.
And that's my grandpa's black.
just think
I also feel like it's important to.
Without getting to the technicalities and stuff or getting too deep into this conversation It's important to acknowledge that even though people have black or brown skin a lot of people have What do you say um have taken in the propaganda that African Americans specifically are less than Almost everybody because you will find Hispanics with black or brown skin that will make it.
No, I am not black.
I'm not african-american.
I'm not I'm not a good word How dare you?
you know I'm saying so Yeah, like you'll get people from other parts of the world that have black or brown skin that would love to Indulge in the culture indulge in the word because it's a cool thing to say and it's like oh I am kind of black and it's the cool thing to do or say but if you Mistake them for being African-American They will be offended
or they will still hold these prejudices against African-American people.
I've had conversations like this millions of times with people from different places like, well, you know, African-Americans though, the black people in America.
So I just thought that was
said.
And it's a lot of people that know that this is a fact.
Like I've seen it with my own two eyes and it's people within there.
If you're being honest with yourself, you know, it's true.
You know, it's true.
There's colorism.
There's also on top of that colorism in Hispanic culture, if we be honest.
now.
Mm-hmm.
Come
man.
Come on
I mean, let's look at- Stop playing.
Let's look at the folks from Egypt for a second.
Mm-hmm.
Them is brown people.
But they do not.
They do not associate themselves with black.
Look at how they treated speed.
I show speed.
A black man in Africa in Egypt at the World Cup.
I ain't even talking about Argentina.
I'm talking about when he was in Egypt.
OK.
Egyptians.
Don't even be trying to associate themselves with the rest of the Africans that's out there.
Exactly.
people think the proximity to whiteness makes them better.
And that's why they feel like if I denounce being African-American, at least I'm not that.
I might be brown skinned, but I'm Brazilian or I'm this.
I'm
All
on the line
What's up, Mitty?
I'm a big fan of yours.
Yeah,
yours.
Yeah, but um, you know, I'm like, I heard the conversation.
Fat Joe, he, I've been listening to him since I was 18 and I'm 34 years old now.
But for him to make a comment about the end word, I just thought that was kind of petty because I'm African-American and I listen to a lot of music.
Like,
whatever comes to mind.
I listen to TLC, I should have missed the Elliott.
So, yeah.
And you definitely a fan of ours for calling in the show, man.
We appreciate when our cousins call in and show some love and share their thoughts and truths with us.
Man, I think that's very important what you said.
Because it's people that do listen to his music, right?
And has been listen lean back I Rocked with fat Joe base just based off of how he held his own against 50 cent Yeah, I just liked how he stood up to a bully You know what I'm saying he held his own and he was I mean let's put it this way Eminem
Had a huge role in hip-hop music.
He ain't running around here just saying oh I lived in poverty and all this other stuff and And you know what I'm
saying?
He ain't just saying
the n-word at least I'm not Not that I knew of or I remember some stuff you right you right some stuff came up from his past when I was younger He definitely was pissed off when his black girlfriend left him and he made a freestyle
Because I remember, uh, who was the guy he was beefing with from the source?
I remember that.
Who was the guy named from the source again?
He ain't had no neck.
What's his name?
Oh my goodness.
What do you have a
neck?
his name?
Benzino.
Benzino.
that's
with Benzino and
I'm feeling wonderful.
What I wanted to say respectfully, we the blacks have not normalized that because that's a mindset that's associated with ignorance and race play.
So where we are today, we have a whole lot of inwards with that mindset.
Other things we have to understand is
Everybody say they don't want a black, but they love to sleep with one.
I put it in me daddy and then they call switch when they get back out into society.
We the Blacks carry ourselves in a certain manner, but we do have those with that mindset.
And those with that mindset, we will communicate with you, hey, we will even sleep with you, but we will never go nowhere with you on our arm because you are a liability and a detriment, okay?
And a lot of y'all who think like that have bad credit, and a lot of y'all are not that good at nothing.
But what I wanted to say is, is any race, any color,
from anywhere in this world can be one.
So we the blacks have not normalized it.
We just let you have it because that's what a lot of them are raised to be.
They just want to use the black space for it.
But from the womb to the tomb, that's who they represented from birth, not the blacks.
We know our place.
Keep in mind, the reason why they have laws is because they want to act and use the mindset.
It's not because of the blacks.
Y'all have yourself a good day and enjoy a tropical buzz ball.
All right, bye-bye.
waiting for him.
I was in prayer.
Man,
Call him Kamal.
Kamal.
That's the short version.
But you know,
make sure you're saying something.
But anyway,
man.
He got no tail, girl.
anywhere.
Welcome back.
Welcome back.
Welcome back.
What it do?
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What it do?
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DJ BrotherZ holding us down with the production and sound.
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How y'all feeling?
We having an amazing conversation.
The lines is popping today, man.
I'm assuming y'all like the menu.
They like what's on the menu, Shannon.
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I think you got something over there.
I do.
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I know, man.
This menu got my stomach bubbling, man.
Somebody need to get out the bathroom so I could get my turn.
They been
in there for two
Come on, man.
Hey, ain't that sign on the
door saying y'all better stop blowing
that back?
It's a
When I went in there, I was like, bro, what resulted in this?
Like, who did this?
I
was
in there.
It's because during the winters, the pipes froze.
Oh, OK, OK, OK.
Got it.
One,
Hey, thanks for taking my call man.
You're talking hip-hop.
So I know I had to call it.
I'm a hip-hop hip, you know, that stuff.
But um, yeah man, um, you know, to me, I've heard young, young, uh, Caucasians use it with their black, close-call black friends.
And I think it depends on what Caucasian you let use it.
Because if a dude in a red truck pulled up on the basketball court, he'd start spouting it out.
He might get a couple of lumps, you know what I'm saying?
But if it's a young white kid,
Uh, they kind of let that slide.
I mean, I'm a game here too.
So I'll play 2k and on there on the, on the, on the, um, you hear them saying that all the time.
I'll be recording them.
I'll be recording left and right.
And I don't know if they use suspended band enough.
I don't know if anything comes of it, but I, you know, and they, they could put tattoos.
They put the word on their skin and all
real crazy in the, in the, in the two world, but, um, I don't know how we shave.
And anybody know why I'm from the South side?
I don't use the N-word and none of my speech, I'm with all mad at you or none of that.
I don't use that, my kids don't use that.
They're not allowed to use it around me, nobody's still, I don't know what they're saying.
But they're friends and stuff, they know me, I don't play that, I don't play that N-word stuff.
I'm from Mississippi, Bill's zone, right?
So, I don't know how we supposedly can take the sting out of the N-word, because when it's wrapped in blood, that word is wrapped in blood for years.
And I don't know how we can make it a term in a dear man.
And I love Tupac, but this never ignorant, getting goals accomplished.
That crap never flew with me because in a regular MTV, asked him why she can't say it and he can.
He tried to rudder it down.
It's never made sense to me.
And that word really wasn't a part of hip hop.
It just recently became a thing.
And, and like, like you said before, only when it comes to black Americans, where people want to be like, we'll take the culture, we don't want to beat him.
So
we're
part of the main, but it's kind of like, it's kind of mixed up.
We are confused.
But yeah, as far as that word goes, yeah, there's no way to sweep that word no matter what.
And yeah, you're going to get this crap slapped in your mouth.
I'll tell you, if I'm in the right move, you're going to get a hand slap because I don't play that.
do
now we have it on.
It's very important to know your audience.
You can't just walk around saying something that is like he said, wrapped in blood.
You can't and then turn around and tell people what you're gonna say and what you're not gonna say when it's.
an offensive word at its core.
can't turn around and tell people what you gonna say and what you gonna call them because like I said, it's a time and place and not everybody is comfortable with that.
Okay.
I mean, like we said before, the black people in cool is literally the.
blueprint of everything.
But then people adopt what they like.
They cherry pick what they like from our culture.
And then and then everything else they demonize until they can figure out how to integrate it in a culture.
Even when it comes
to like twerking and stuff like that.
Now all of a sudden it was cool once Miley Cyrus started.
Disgusting.
I mean like Braids you got the you got the Kardashians when she wore braids to the back they called it like Bohemian something.
I was a whole discourse about that.
They are doing a bohemian black women about them.
She recently was talking about a quick weave and was calling it something totally different.
Like she was describing that she has a quick weave in her hair.
And I'm like,
was trying to change the
Come on,
it.
You know what's crazy speaking of white.
I'm not holding up a caller, right?
So what's what's crazy to me is literally this happened like a week ago, right?
Stopped by a bar after work and there was a biker dang in there Like this a time and a place.
I was in
the club.
All
right
Like some people feet on them couches was way worse than what I had on
moving onward.
I Was in this bar and this biker like there was it was a biker Hold on.
And you were trying to get a
in general.
Cali in general.
to that one.
You
The argument came from me saying a lot of my friends are moving from Vegas.
And somebody was like, well, it's hard to make friends out there because most people want to do it.
I was like, well, we can't say that.
It's not just a Vegas thing.
I think it's West Coast culture, for sure.
But I feel like Cali is like, man, they just ain't got enough casinos in one place.
Like, that's a longer story.
We got to listen to that episode.
OK, let's
Oh my god.
Who has the most?
But
man, Lidsman, definitely somebody did write me and they said, you need to add Milwaukee on there
because they're
flying out there.
And I was like,
wait,
we can turn a whole nother topic.
But yeah, so,
ahead.
I was at the bar and in like, there were a biker, it was like a white biker gang.
And like one of the guys he had dreads.
And that's what brought me to that because you just said,
you hate when they wear dress.
And the crazy part about it is like, he tries to talk, like, you know, strike up a conversation.
I'm like, you know, we speaking.
He was like, I was kind of scared to talk to you, you know, because black girls, I was like, like, bro, like, I was like, you must not know black people.
Like, obviously, like, I keep it cute and educational at the same time.
And he was just like, yeah, like, you probably would have been like, why is this white boy trying to talk to me?
And I'm just looking like
The white man with dreads the big biker dude with dreads was scared
to
talk to me He was like cuz I still got feelings you might have been like why are you trying to talk to me?
And I'm like, why would you think that?
I was like black women are very kind and loving and we know how to stand our ground and be firm as well But why would you why would you think that and it kind of plays into a saying like people will
What is it called like they will embody like certain things from our culture and we'll think like oh, okay They get us.
They understand us.
They know us and it's just not a fact Like it wasn't anything wrong like no, there's something wrong with what he said, but like I don't think to be offensive
But
it's just highlighted that that he didn't like you don't know black We don't understand the culture.
Shannon before
to
I don't like... I don't like dreads.
That's not my look.
That's not my...
it's... But how are we up
just... I don't care for the look.
No, no, I like...
Dreads
like cuz I be concerned about how are y'all up keeping these like you know the upkeep is like Expensive and it's like
you
have to be a clean person to keep them clean and you have to know The steps you need to take and when I see white dreads, I'm not gonna lie call it what it is, but um, what do you call it like?
Do you do you know the proper upkeep?
I don't know it might be me being I don't could it be me being Prejudice.
I don't know but I worry that you don't know the proper upkeep and that's stuff my stank because Their hair is very different from ours, too.
They need to
wash their hair multiple times a week We don't have to our hair just isn't built or that it actually would damage our hair to wash it more often So when I see white people with dreads um
I'm worried.
think that's a very natural form.
Like our hair will naturally form into dreads.
OK, I don't think there's it takes a lot of upkeep or lack thereof for that to happen.
So either you really versed on what you doing with your hair or you real trifling.
It's a lot of neglect for them to get that hair the way that they do.
A lot of neglect and just.
I don't know.
When we come back, y'all, I'm going to take a picture of this poster in the restroom.
But when we come back and I get done with my business, we're going to close this thing out.
We're going to move on to what was supposed to be the meat and potatoes, but clearly sometimes our meals spill over.
When we come back, we're going to move to the Lindsey Clancy case.
And maybe we don't because I think this deserves more time.
But don't go anywhere.
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sound like we sound like we got more on the menu over there, right?
It was too much of my menu last night.
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Welcome back y'all to the award-winning one on one seven the truth shots.
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music.
Speaking of Milwaukee rap music, did you see that fight at that one bar that was playing on our rap music?
Red Rock.
crazy.
What?
Red Rock.
Yeah, you were going crazy.
the walls.
No, against the walls.
They
were they were
Rock Saloon.
Yeah.
Rap music would have calmed them down.
Let's see if they come out with a no country music list.
It was the hip hop next door that got to him.
It leaked through the walls and it got in their brains.
the... You
that
major
damn, Brooke, can I get a turn?
Yeah, he ain't even read the sign, huh?
He said, forget
leave.
No.
it was
It reminds me, there was a video I sent to the group, but it was the teacher that had to make a fart corner.
And people like, how much was going on that resulted in this having to be a corner of the classroom?
From Jamaica for those that don't know I know a lot of people think that they understand the story of hip-hop and so forth, but DJ Cool Herk If you just joining us DJ Cool Herk the father of hip-hop Clive Campbell he moved to the Bronx from Kingston, Jamaica Okay, when he was 12 years old the sound system culture, okay?
In Jamaica, DJs use set up a massive mobile speaker and stereo system to throw outdoor parties.
Herc simply took exactly what he was doing in Jamaica, what he saw his older people doing in Jamaica copied it and did the whole setup for that first Bronx Black Party where people are saying hip hop was birth.
And that wasn't even just it, okay?
Toasting.
Toasting was...
Jamaicans talking over instrumentals.
That is what rapping and so forth came from.
All right.
He he applied it to American funk, soul and disco records.
That's what the Bronx loved.
So he took the sound system set up and toasting style from Jamaica.
OK, so that's the history of hip hop.
Hip hop doesn't just start in New York.
All right, it migrated to New York, merged cultures with what was already going on in New York, and now formed what we have today.
And now that hip hop has since taken a new identity of its own.
So that is a history.
And if you want to do some more research of your own, don't just start at where we thought hip hop began.
Because a lot of people think our story starts after slavery.
for black people.
And that's not true.
The story goes way, way back before we were slaves.
That's where a lot of these sounds came from.
Your Puerto Rican sounds, your rice, your horchata.
Go do the history of where a lot of these different cultural dishes and dances and sounds and music came from.
A lot of times it was from Africa or some Caribbean nation.
So.
That's my time.
Shannon, what you got for us, man?
Close us out, please.
Man.
Never stop asking why and never stop researching.
That's really what it comes down to.
Keep asking where and why things come from and why things are the way they are.
You'll get the answers.
But...
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I wasn't sure when I was like, the grave?
We'll be back tomorrow.
We'll be back tomorrow, man.
Y'all enjoy yourselves.
Shannon, what color outfit you going to have on today?
All black.
Black on black on black.
All right, y'all.
That's our time.
We love y'all.
We love y'all, cousins.
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What up y'all welcome back welcome back welcome back what it do is our two with the lunch break crew y'all it is lunchtime Man we're talking about what's
on the menu
a word
problem with even saying that.
Like, come on.
Like, oh my goodness.
We like to start.
Especially people in New York, especially people in the Bronx, especially Puerto Ricans.
We love to start the story of hip hop in New York, and that's not true.
That's not where it started from.
Hip hop, the energy of hip hop.
It was an originally an immigrant sound.
All right, I'm going to give them a quick history, Shannon, before we get into Fat Joe.
OK.
It's roots and DNA Came straight from Jamaica Jamaica Jamaica the Jamaican connection for hip hop a lot of people don't even give Jamaica the proper credit for its influence in the hip hop
Okay.
DJ Cool Herk.
The same person he mentioned.
He didn't mention that the father of hip hop DJ Cool Herk, AKA Clive Camp.
Clive is a Jamaican name.
He moved to the Bronx from Kingston, Jamaica when he was 12 years old, Shannon.
Our sound system culture in the Caribbean.
Okay, and Jamaica DJs used to set up massive mobile speakers in the streets to throw outdoor parties hurt copied this exact setup for his Bronx block party Toasting Toasting right I'm giving y'all a little I should do this whole thing in my accent.
Just so these people can understand Or not understand for the for the lack of bet I was Jamaican DJs would talk brag and chant
Remember I said back in the day we used to call freestyle and chanting.
Chanting over the instrumental sides of reggae records.
This tradition was called toasting and it is a direct.
It is the direct ancestor of MCing and rapping.
So it'd be funny when they have all of this like energy, New York Bronx.
It's cool.
But that's not tell the full story.
Tell the full story of where hip hop and the culture actually came from speed it up so we could get through this.
So when Herk arrived in New York, he blended his Jamaican party style with American music.
He took the sound system set up and the toasting style from Jamaica.
OK, he then applied it to American funk and disco records.
That's what the Bronx youth was listening to American funk and disco records.
All right So that's the history when you talk about culture and then we'll go into To fat Joe now right in his comments because we gave them a little A little yeah, somebody says that's where reggae tone came from.
Absolutely.
It's called reggae tone a tone of reggae
Like, what are we talking about?
Critical thinking.
It's not that critical.
But some people just don't.
They don't even want to think at all.
They just want to think horchata is theirs.
And that's cool.
But back to Fat Joe, right?
So he said, and I mess with, I almost, I mess with Fat Joe.
I mess with his music.
Still cringe when he say the n-word, right?
But I still cringe.
But he says he grew up in black neighborhoods.
His grandmother lived in a 99% black neighborhood.
He said, what else he said?
He said,
What else he said?
He grew up in a black neighborhood.
He's from the block where hip hop was born.
That's not true.
From the block where hip hop settled because it came over from, you know, hip hop is an immigrant, you know, hip hop is an immigrant.
If they could, they would send hip hop back to where it came from.
Hmm.
All right.
Yeah,
he said all of these things.
Come
They like to keep it and send the people back.
So he is saying that because he's from this block, hip hop included in the Bronx, he lived amongst black people, lived in these poor neighborhoods, he lived in the ghetto, he lived in the hood.
That makes him blacker than any black person experienced.
And it's a problem with that for me, right?
My problem with it is because We have allowed people to think just because Not even think we have allowed people to associate poverty the hood and being amongst these things as credible Passes for somebody to say they black or they could use the n-word
because they hang around us or any of these type of things.
Or like poverty-stricken environments.
It's like you can go to the trailer park and witness all the same, all the poverty and all types of hood activities, but they call it something different.
Exactly.
So that isn't black.
That doesn't validate your blackness.
Why does...
People outside of our race or culture think because they were in the worst amongst the worst of us That that means that they were black and it's crazy We associate all the negative things with being black so much so that people now think oh, I lived in the hood.
I'm black I could say the n-word
eight, three, three, two, one, two, ten, seventeen is a number to die.
We want to hear your thoughts.
Who, who do you allow to say that?
And where do you allow Latinos to say it around you?
Do you allow?
Any other race, Indians, Palestinians, whatever, do we allow them to say it?
What was you about to say, Shannon?
And then we got Marlon on the line.
We'll talk to him after
you.
Go ahead, take Marlin call.
I lost my train.
I thought I was a can't remember exactly.
Hey, what's going on?
So here's one thing you got to take into consideration in this.
So because he's from Milwaukee and because it's so segregated here, a lot of times for us, people outside our culture, when they say the N word, it's like a blasphemy type thing.
on the east coast and the west coast, Hispanics and everybody, because they're so intertwined with everything, they both Hispanics say all the time out on the east coast and the west coast to black people.
So for here, it's like a culture shock, but out there, it's not necessarily a culture shock because Latin people, especially Puerto Ricans and Dominicans, especially out east Puerto Ricans and Dominicans,
A lot of times they saying it as well.
So that's the thing we got to take into consideration here because we don't we really don't have a lot of Dominicans and Puerto Ricans who hang out with black people where in the East Coast and the West Coast, they do.
But this is what I was.
Yeah, it's plenty Latinos here that I hang out with.
I went to Riverside University, one of the most diverse high schools.
Most diverse high schools.
I didn't hear a bunch of Latino people saying that word at Riverside.
I heard it more as culture became more, let me see, as our culture became more appropriated and mainstream and people started, oh, this black culture is really profitable.
And everybody was trying to.
imitate black culture, but that doesn't give people a right to use a degrading word for a community just because always normal out there.
And I think that's the conversation we have in Brother Marlin.
Have we made it so acceptable?
Have we made our culture so welcoming that outsiders could come in, take an offensive word that we turned and made it to a sense of endearment for us, which I'm still trying to understand how, uh, how did that happen?
But now, you know, everybody is using it and don't see the cringe problem in it.
That's more so what
I
that.
I mean, my situation, you know, when I go out there and like when I'm out west, I lived out west for a little while, I heard them say it all the time.
It was cringe-worthy to me.
And then I'm asking the brothers, like, why are you letting them, you know what I'm saying?
They all say it all the time.
Now, I was out there in the mid-90s, you know what I'm saying?
And then the West Coast, because I was in the Marine Corps, so I traveled back and forth.
So yeah, the same thing was on the East Coast for me as cringe worthy, you know, and it's just, it's just one of those things I think that ultimately though, the new, the younger generations, they don't, they don't really have that, uh, defended at all costs, you know, defend our culture at all costs type feeling, you know, the black Panthers, they had to defend our, find our culture, help our culture at all costs.
You know, and that that would all wait, but I don't think this new culture.
I don't have that.
I don't think they have that defended at all costs.
Now, Fat Joe is probably more my age.
So I don't know, you know, again, I think it's because he's Puerto Rican and he lives out east that he says it.
Now, when he goes other places, will he be able to say it?
That's a different deal.
I think Fat Joe gonna
problem
We have allowed it so comfortable, so comfortable that we even I've even heard people say they got certain white people that they allow to say the n word because they grew up or lived amongst black people.
Yeah.
That's our problem.
We've watered down everything about us.
We've turned everything terrible into we always turned our pain into some sort of endearment or passion or pleasure, and that I feel has weakened our cultural system here.
So much so that.
We we ask it for Spanish rice instead of Jolof rice.
And not even understanding Spanish rice come from Jolof rice.
And don't come with that fact because they don't look at you like you're crazy.
We got some comments.
I don't
I like the extra crunch.
But it also originated from us.
I'm over here looking at the comments.
You want to read them, Shannon?
Yeah, so I got Blake Gump G Love Family He Wrong.
Aaron said gotta love the melting pot of our music.
I don't even like when black people say it around me a lot Come on the shadow Damn
it.
That's a long name.
Come on.
We don't allow that on the West
Coast player But that bar said facts to call her however, I don't Ever like to be called one because I do have a government name you will use regarding me and I think that's important too because like
I've mentioned before a lot of these people using the word don't realize like there's a time and place as well.
But because we are from it and we understand it and we understand where it came from.
We know there's a time and a place and we also know certain people don't like to be called that.
So that's not something you just throw out all willy nilly either.
Like we have some type of week.
We got a radar on when and where are you going to use that?
Like some
people will take offense to that.
Some people don't like it.
Like I said before, even when it comes to.
A friend group, do I call some of my friends to be word?
Do I call my sister to be word?
Sure.
But I'm not going to just walk up to a woman on the street and be like, what are you talking to?
I'm not
going to use
that to somebody's mother.
I'm not going to use that in a work environment.
So people use the word so freely because they don't know where to originate from and how and when to use it.
But we're going to get back into that after these messages.
Don't go anywhere.
What up y'all welcome back welcome back welcome back it is the lunch break crew Ray nitty Maybe Shannon DJ brother Z holding us down with the production and sound man live on the award-winning 1017 the truth from the American family insurance studios How y'all feeling the the phone lines is packed man a 3 3 2 1 2 10 17 is the number to dial a 3 3 2 1 2 10 17 is the number to dial we are talking about
How we allow people to get in our culture, use this word that is offensive or not even just a word, right?
Because I don't think it's just about the N word.
It's just about people feeling like they have place.
They have dominion in our culture without paying the proper respects to it.
We talked about Fat Joe and knowing the history or knowing the history where a lot of the things that they view as their culture was inspired by us.
We talked about horchata.
That came from Africa.
We talked about timbo.
That sound came from Africa.
Those dances came from Africa.
We talked about Spanish rice.
That came from Africa, the Jolof rice.
All right?
A lot of, that was just five simple things that we was talking about, y'all.
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Mark, how are you doing?
You live with the Lunch Break crew.
Hey, I'm
I was just thinking a lot of people think Latinos are race, right?
But it's an ethnicity.
then there's black Latinos, there's white Latinos, my dad's Brazilian, but like I got, I'm white, I got blue eyes, you know, so I feel like there's some nuance there.
I'm gonna let, I'm gonna go so the other people can have a chance to speak too, but I felt like there was some nuance there.
So like in Brazil, for example, there was...
There was 50% of all the enslaved Africans came to Brazil the United States at 2% Then there's people all different races.
There's the most Japanese people outside of Japan and Brazil.
There's a lot of Asian people There's a lot of but then Latino people that people are called Latino when they come from Latin America and Then you like even in Brazil everybody says the n-word like it's become culturally not it's
become culturally unacceptable to say it in the last 10 years.
But like everybody would just say it because everybody would say, hey, I'm kind of black.
Yeah.
And that's my grandpa's black.
just think
I also feel like it's important to.
Without getting to the technicalities and stuff or getting too deep into this conversation It's important to acknowledge that even though people have black or brown skin a lot of people have What do you say um have taken in the propaganda that African Americans specifically are less than Almost everybody because you will find Hispanics with black or brown skin that will make it.
No, I am not black.
I'm not african-american.
I'm not I'm not a good word How dare you?
you know I'm saying so Yeah, like you'll get people from other parts of the world that have black or brown skin that would love to Indulge in the culture indulge in the word because it's a cool thing to say and it's like oh I am kind of black and it's the cool thing to do or say but if you Mistake them for being African-American They will be offended
or they will still hold these prejudices against African-American people.
I've had conversations like this millions of times with people from different places like, well, you know, African-Americans though, the black people in America.
So I just thought that was
said.
And it's a lot of people that know that this is a fact.
Like I've seen it with my own two eyes and it's people within there.
If you're being honest with yourself, you know, it's true.
You know, it's true.
There's colorism.
There's also on top of that colorism in Hispanic culture, if we be honest.
now.
Mm-hmm.
Come
man.
Come on
I mean, let's look at- Stop playing.
Let's look at the folks from Egypt for a second.
Mm-hmm.
Them is brown people.
But they do not.
They do not associate themselves with black.
Look at how they treated speed.
I show speed.
A black man in Africa in Egypt at the World Cup.
I ain't even talking about Argentina.
I'm talking about when he was in Egypt.
OK.
Egyptians.
Don't even be trying to associate themselves with the rest of the Africans that's out there.
Exactly.
people think the proximity to whiteness makes them better.
And that's why they feel like if I denounce being African-American, at least I'm not that.
I might be brown skinned, but I'm Brazilian or I'm this.
I'm
All
on the line
What's up, Mitty?
I'm a big fan of yours.
Yeah,
yours.
Yeah, but um, you know, I'm like, I heard the conversation.
Fat Joe, he, I've been listening to him since I was 18 and I'm 34 years old now.
But for him to make a comment about the end word, I just thought that was kind of petty because I'm African-American and I listen to a lot of music.
Like,
whatever comes to mind.
I listen to TLC, I should have missed the Elliott.
So, yeah.
And you definitely a fan of ours for calling in the show, man.
We appreciate when our cousins call in and show some love and share their thoughts and truths with us.
Man, I think that's very important what you said.
Because it's people that do listen to his music, right?
And has been listen lean back I Rocked with fat Joe base just based off of how he held his own against 50 cent Yeah, I just liked how he stood up to a bully You know what I'm saying he held his own and he was I mean let's put it this way Eminem
Had a huge role in hip-hop music.
He ain't running around here just saying oh I lived in poverty and all this other stuff and And you know what I'm
saying?
He ain't just saying
the n-word at least I'm not Not that I knew of or I remember some stuff you right you right some stuff came up from his past when I was younger He definitely was pissed off when his black girlfriend left him and he made a freestyle
Because I remember, uh, who was the guy he was beefing with from the source?
I remember that.
Who was the guy named from the source again?
He ain't had no neck.
What's his name?
Oh my goodness.
What do you have a
neck?
his name?
Benzino.
Benzino.
that's
with Benzino and
I'm feeling wonderful.
What I wanted to say respectfully, we the blacks have not normalized that because that's a mindset that's associated with ignorance and race play.
So where we are today, we have a whole lot of inwards with that mindset.
Other things we have to understand is
Everybody say they don't want a black, but they love to sleep with one.
I put it in me daddy and then they call switch when they get back out into society.
We the Blacks carry ourselves in a certain manner, but we do have those with that mindset.
And those with that mindset, we will communicate with you, hey, we will even sleep with you, but we will never go nowhere with you on our arm because you are a liability and a detriment, okay?
And a lot of y'all who think like that have bad credit, and a lot of y'all are not that good at nothing.
But what I wanted to say is, is any race, any color,
from anywhere in this world can be one.
So we the blacks have not normalized it.
We just let you have it because that's what a lot of them are raised to be.
They just want to use the black space for it.
But from the womb to the tomb, that's who they represented from birth, not the blacks.
We know our place.
Keep in mind, the reason why they have laws is because they want to act and use the mindset.
It's not because of the blacks.
Y'all have yourself a good day and enjoy a tropical buzz ball.
All right, bye-bye.
waiting for him.
I was in prayer.
Man,
Call him Kamal.
Kamal.
That's the short version.
But you know,
make sure you're saying something.
But anyway,
man.
He got no tail, girl.
anywhere.
Welcome back.
Welcome back.
Welcome back.
What it do?
What it do?
What it do?
I were two with the lunch break crew.
Ray Nitty, maybe Shannon.
DJ BrotherZ holding us down with the production and sound.
How y'all feeling, man?
How y'all feeling?
We having an amazing conversation.
The lines is popping today, man.
I'm assuming y'all like the menu.
They like what's on the menu, Shannon.
I got something
for you.
I think you got something over there.
I do.
You got something for us too over there.
I'll order that.
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That was wonderful.
I know, man.
This menu got my stomach bubbling, man.
Somebody need to get out the bathroom so I could get my turn.
They been
in there for two
Come on, man.
Hey, ain't that sign on the
door saying y'all better stop blowing
that back?
It's a
When I went in there, I was like, bro, what resulted in this?
Like, who did this?
I
was
in there.
It's because during the winters, the pipes froze.
Oh, OK, OK, OK.
Got it.
One,
Hey, thanks for taking my call man.
You're talking hip-hop.
So I know I had to call it.
I'm a hip-hop hip, you know, that stuff.
But um, yeah man, um, you know, to me, I've heard young, young, uh, Caucasians use it with their black, close-call black friends.
And I think it depends on what Caucasian you let use it.
Because if a dude in a red truck pulled up on the basketball court, he'd start spouting it out.
He might get a couple of lumps, you know what I'm saying?
But if it's a young white kid,
Uh, they kind of let that slide.
I mean, I'm a game here too.
So I'll play 2k and on there on the, on the, on the, um, you hear them saying that all the time.
I'll be recording them.
I'll be recording left and right.
And I don't know if they use suspended band enough.
I don't know if anything comes of it, but I, you know, and they, they could put tattoos.
They put the word on their skin and all
real crazy in the, in the, in the two world, but, um, I don't know how we shave.
And anybody know why I'm from the South side?
I don't use the N-word and none of my speech, I'm with all mad at you or none of that.
I don't use that, my kids don't use that.
They're not allowed to use it around me, nobody's still, I don't know what they're saying.
But they're friends and stuff, they know me, I don't play that, I don't play that N-word stuff.
I'm from Mississippi, Bill's zone, right?
So, I don't know how we supposedly can take the sting out of the N-word, because when it's wrapped in blood, that word is wrapped in blood for years.
And I don't know how we can make it a term in a dear man.
And I love Tupac, but this never ignorant, getting goals accomplished.
That crap never flew with me because in a regular MTV, asked him why she can't say it and he can.
He tried to rudder it down.
It's never made sense to me.
And that word really wasn't a part of hip hop.
It just recently became a thing.
And, and like, like you said before, only when it comes to black Americans, where people want to be like, we'll take the culture, we don't want to beat him.
So
we're
part of the main, but it's kind of like, it's kind of mixed up.
We are confused.
But yeah, as far as that word goes, yeah, there's no way to sweep that word no matter what.
And yeah, you're going to get this crap slapped in your mouth.
I'll tell you, if I'm in the right move, you're going to get a hand slap because I don't play that.
do
now we have it on.
It's very important to know your audience.
You can't just walk around saying something that is like he said, wrapped in blood.
You can't and then turn around and tell people what you're gonna say and what you're not gonna say when it's.
an offensive word at its core.
can't turn around and tell people what you gonna say and what you gonna call them because like I said, it's a time and place and not everybody is comfortable with that.
Okay.
I mean, like we said before, the black people in cool is literally the.
blueprint of everything.
But then people adopt what they like.
They cherry pick what they like from our culture.
And then and then everything else they demonize until they can figure out how to integrate it in a culture.
Even when it comes
to like twerking and stuff like that.
Now all of a sudden it was cool once Miley Cyrus started.
Disgusting.
I mean like Braids you got the you got the Kardashians when she wore braids to the back they called it like Bohemian something.
I was a whole discourse about that.
They are doing a bohemian black women about them.
She recently was talking about a quick weave and was calling it something totally different.
Like she was describing that she has a quick weave in her hair.
And I'm like,
was trying to change the
Come on,
it.
You know what's crazy speaking of white.
I'm not holding up a caller, right?
So what's what's crazy to me is literally this happened like a week ago, right?
Stopped by a bar after work and there was a biker dang in there Like this a time and a place.
I was in
the club.
All
right
Like some people feet on them couches was way worse than what I had on
moving onward.
I Was in this bar and this biker like there was it was a biker Hold on.
And you were trying to get a
in general.
Cali in general.
to that one.
You
The argument came from me saying a lot of my friends are moving from Vegas.
And somebody was like, well, it's hard to make friends out there because most people want to do it.
I was like, well, we can't say that.
It's not just a Vegas thing.
I think it's West Coast culture, for sure.
But I feel like Cali is like, man, they just ain't got enough casinos in one place.
Like, that's a longer story.
We got to listen to that episode.
OK, let's
Oh my god.
Who has the most?
But
man, Lidsman, definitely somebody did write me and they said, you need to add Milwaukee on there
because they're
flying out there.
And I was like,
wait,
we can turn a whole nother topic.
But yeah, so,
ahead.
I was at the bar and in like, there were a biker, it was like a white biker gang.
And like one of the guys he had dreads.
And that's what brought me to that because you just said,
you hate when they wear dress.
And the crazy part about it is like, he tries to talk, like, you know, strike up a conversation.
I'm like, you know, we speaking.
He was like, I was kind of scared to talk to you, you know, because black girls, I was like, like, bro, like, I was like, you must not know black people.
Like, obviously, like, I keep it cute and educational at the same time.
And he was just like, yeah, like, you probably would have been like, why is this white boy trying to talk to me?
And I'm just looking like
The white man with dreads the big biker dude with dreads was scared
to
talk to me He was like cuz I still got feelings you might have been like why are you trying to talk to me?
And I'm like, why would you think that?
I was like black women are very kind and loving and we know how to stand our ground and be firm as well But why would you why would you think that and it kind of plays into a saying like people will
What is it called like they will embody like certain things from our culture and we'll think like oh, okay They get us.
They understand us.
They know us and it's just not a fact Like it wasn't anything wrong like no, there's something wrong with what he said, but like I don't think to be offensive
But
it's just highlighted that that he didn't like you don't know black We don't understand the culture.
Shannon before
to
I don't like... I don't like dreads.
That's not my look.
That's not my...
it's... But how are we up
just... I don't care for the look.
No, no, I like...
Dreads
like cuz I be concerned about how are y'all up keeping these like you know the upkeep is like Expensive and it's like
you
have to be a clean person to keep them clean and you have to know The steps you need to take and when I see white dreads, I'm not gonna lie call it what it is, but um, what do you call it like?
Do you do you know the proper upkeep?
I don't know it might be me being I don't could it be me being Prejudice.
I don't know but I worry that you don't know the proper upkeep and that's stuff my stank because Their hair is very different from ours, too.
They need to
wash their hair multiple times a week We don't have to our hair just isn't built or that it actually would damage our hair to wash it more often So when I see white people with dreads um
I'm worried.
think that's a very natural form.
Like our hair will naturally form into dreads.
OK, I don't think there's it takes a lot of upkeep or lack thereof for that to happen.
So either you really versed on what you doing with your hair or you real trifling.
It's a lot of neglect for them to get that hair the way that they do.
A lot of neglect and just.
I don't know.
When we come back, y'all, I'm going to take a picture of this poster in the restroom.
But when we come back and I get done with my business, we're going to close this thing out.
We're going to move on to what was supposed to be the meat and potatoes, but clearly sometimes our meals spill over.
When we come back, we're going to move to the Lindsey Clancy case.
And maybe we don't because I think this deserves more time.
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Welcome back y'all to the award-winning one on one seven the truth shots.
I'll wave man Just let this play for the rest
of the show
music.
Speaking of Milwaukee rap music, did you see that fight at that one bar that was playing on our rap music?
Red Rock.
crazy.
What?
Red Rock.
Yeah, you were going crazy.
the walls.
No, against the walls.
They
were they were
Rock Saloon.
Yeah.
Rap music would have calmed them down.
Let's see if they come out with a no country music list.
It was the hip hop next door that got to him.
It leaked through the walls and it got in their brains.
the... You
that
major
damn, Brooke, can I get a turn?
Yeah, he ain't even read the sign, huh?
He said, forget
leave.
No.
it was
It reminds me, there was a video I sent to the group, but it was the teacher that had to make a fart corner.
And people like, how much was going on that resulted in this having to be a corner of the classroom?
From Jamaica for those that don't know I know a lot of people think that they understand the story of hip-hop and so forth, but DJ Cool Herk If you just joining us DJ Cool Herk the father of hip-hop Clive Campbell he moved to the Bronx from Kingston, Jamaica Okay, when he was 12 years old the sound system culture, okay?
In Jamaica, DJs use set up a massive mobile speaker and stereo system to throw outdoor parties.
Herc simply took exactly what he was doing in Jamaica, what he saw his older people doing in Jamaica copied it and did the whole setup for that first Bronx Black Party where people are saying hip hop was birth.
And that wasn't even just it, okay?
Toasting.
Toasting was...
Jamaicans talking over instrumentals.
That is what rapping and so forth came from.
All right.
He he applied it to American funk, soul and disco records.
That's what the Bronx loved.
So he took the sound system set up and toasting style from Jamaica.
OK, so that's the history of hip hop.
Hip hop doesn't just start in New York.
All right, it migrated to New York, merged cultures with what was already going on in New York, and now formed what we have today.
And now that hip hop has since taken a new identity of its own.
So that is a history.
And if you want to do some more research of your own, don't just start at where we thought hip hop began.
Because a lot of people think our story starts after slavery.
for black people.
And that's not true.
The story goes way, way back before we were slaves.
That's where a lot of these sounds came from.
Your Puerto Rican sounds, your rice, your horchata.
Go do the history of where a lot of these different cultural dishes and dances and sounds and music came from.
A lot of times it was from Africa or some Caribbean nation.
So.
That's my time.
Shannon, what you got for us, man?
Close us out, please.
Man.
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That's really what it comes down to.
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Shannon, what color outfit you going to have on today?
All black.
Black on black on black.
All right, y'all.
That's our time.
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a pretty good soft launch of this conversation this morning.
So I'm excited to get into it.
But anything else you want to share before you take us to break, Shannon?
No, no, I think we got it all on the table.
get into it.
anywhere
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We got a bunch of amazing topics today, man.
We just gave y'all a rundown on what's on the menu.
Now we're about to get into this little appetizer, right, Shannon whipped up.
This Selena and Beyonce medley.
of, you know, conversations where people feel away.
I'm going to let Shannon share this with you.
And this is great for the segment following too.
So let's get into this, Shannon.
Yeah.
So Beyonce released the anniversary edition on September 4th with a Latin influence, like with Latin influenced material, including.
a few songs in Spanish and it seems that critics online have accused her of using major Latino icons and Latino culture as a business move rather
genuine appreciation.
So people basically are criticizing her saying basically saying she's appropriating their culture.
Like they are heavy on the criticism of a Beyonce.
They've also accused her of doing it for clout, which is crazy because it's Beyonce.
Uh, be for real.
got to the point.
Right.
The criticism got so heavy that Selena's husband had to publicly defend Beyonce.
So they was going ham in the comments.
They were like to the point where he had to speak up and he said Beyonce was showing respect to Selena and essentially asked fans why they couldn't appreciate that another major artist wanted to highlight her legacy.
Um,
Yeah, the family also approved of her use of Selena's music.
So it's mostly it's Selena's fans with this criticism.
But yeah, the argument right now is basically cultural appreciation versus basically her trying to commercialize it, I guess.
They're trying to say she's doing this tapping into the Latino audience for profit.
And yeah, basically saying she don't belong there.
And I feel like on our side, we can argue they're both from Texas.
And my thing is, like, do these people forget that Selena was also, her first language was English.
English.
Like, what do we, it was like straight up.
Like, I
She was from Texas like Beyonce.
What are we talking about?
So it just, it just.
Shows all these micro aggressions right and in the comments and in the arguments that they're making is basically like like dog whistles and my micro aggressions.
It's not like Beyonce needs cloud or needs this extra money or is doing it in a disrespectful way either It was approved by the family in the state.
So what's the issue?
people associate Selena with Selena
But even I believe in it
It comes Selena.
When people say Selena, they
think Selena.
Yeah.
You gotta say Selena Gomez for me.
Exactly.
Come on now,
important.
We will not have to hear this case in court.
No.
talking about it.
We gotta get to the bottom of this because I feel like you're the only person in the world, probably.
Because even then, her artist name is Selena.
And what is Selena's?
Selena
by Selena Gomez.
So when you say Selena, I've called
It's Selena Gomez
but don't nobody like if we gotta make this a vote now or a Facebook status or something because no, but if you
Selena they're gonna think I don't even care if I got a friend
named Selena I'm gonna be like Selena it depends on the generation it depends on the generation My son who's 16 when you hear of Selena if somebody says Selena in the music or Selena music, I don't think he necessarily
randomly just says, oh, we're talking about Selena Quintanilla, the tahino superstar.
No.
I kind of want to test this out.
We got to test it out.
We got to test it out.
We going to test it out.
But anyway, that's not what we're here to discuss, right?
We ain't even Latin talking about.
Well, I got Cuban in me.
I got Cuban in the room and in me.
So do I get to say a lot of these?
I almost
said it some while.
Never mind.
my daughter's Mexican.
That's all I got.
There we go, that's how you say that in the better or
All right, man.
So let's talk about it though.
Let's talk about it, right?
833-212-1017 is the number to dial.
833-212-1017 is the number to dial.
No, we're not talking about are we?
Do you think of Selena Gomez or Selena Bidibamba?
We're talking about the rights and is Beyonce culturally appropriating Latino music?
Latino music?
Is she doing it for clout?
I say hell no.
The queen B don't need no clout.
Literally like please be for real.
I think it's like it like it has it's straight out racism or insanity Like there's no way these people think
They're talking about Culturally appropriating music that was culturally from Africa
Come on now a lot of Latin like I grew up in the Virgin Islands.
I was surrounded by Cubans, Puerto Ricans, Mexicans, people from all types of Latino countries where we exchange cultural experiences, right?
I grew up not grew up.
I grew up in in Hidden Valley.
Ross Valley is why we used to call it.
It wasn't much Latino.
Yeah, Hidden Valley, but the slang word was Ross Valley is what we call it.
Hidden Valley, building 12 apartment 215.
That's why I stayed, right?
Up the hill.
And.
The the like down in the town close by the waterfront is where like Spanish town is a lot where the Spanish people were, but we hung out over there.
We kicked it with a lot of them.
We played with a lot of a lot of people in the Virgin Islands.
Still speak some level of Spanish because of how many Hispanic and Latino folks actually still reside in the Virgin Islands because of the proximity of how close we are.
You know, we never was like, man, don't don't don't come here.
You know what I'm saying?
Like, don't use our language.
Don't use our curry seasonings or any of these things.
You know what I'm saying?
Even let's let's be one hundred.
Let's be one hundred.
I wonder if Latinos even understand they, they famous Spanish rice was derived from an African dish.
Come on now.
So it's interesting to hear all of these folks talk about.
culturally appropriating something and doing something for cloud where they don't even understand the origin of their own culture, where a lot of their Latin experiences and, uh, uh, foods and dances and sounds and music derived from Africa.
I don't think they get that.
And you sent us a
lot of people don't.
And they think we being like, they think we're making these things up.
or trying to basically like just
well we make everything we run the world like no we're we're just being realistic a lot of things derive from african culture like you said most things derive from african culture or african-american culture which is crazy so it's like they tried like even when it comes to country music and the way they treat Beyonce for a country album
don't realize what how heavily influenced by our culture country music was
like people don't realize that like we really are the blueprint
or even earrings gold like black women wearing big gold hoop earrings huge in the Puerto Rican culture that was like that's that wasn't that that came from Africa that was our culture and we share it openly with other civilizations we don't
hoard it to ourselves or say, oh, you don't like you can't use it.
Like, no, we welcome a lot of people.
And I think because of that is why we have situations like Joe Budden and Joe Budden and Fat Joe,
I believe
it, where we're so welcoming in our black communities, our black culture, our African culture that people think because they live around it long enough or they immerse themselves in it.
long enough that they have the same black passes that, you know, black people have to live with, I guess.
So when we come back, Shannon, we gonna get into, we got a video you sent earlier, and it's gonna be a nice bridge, right?
From our Selena conversation to, and we might still go into the Selena a little bit more, right?
But it'll be a good bridge to this...
Fat Joe Joe, but in conversation.
So we'll play that video when we come back right here on the award winning one on one, seven the truth.
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crew.
this stuff up.
Y'all are back listening to 101.7 the truth.
This is the lunch break with Ray Nitty and maybe Shannon.
didn't got tangled up between the chords in the studio.
He was salsa dancing over there, y'all.
Don't mind
Man,
They don't even know that.
You know what?
A 3 3 2 1 2 10 17.
That's the number to dial.
You could text it as well.
You could text that number as well.
If you can't call center text, we could see your texts in the messages as well.
All right.
We talking about culture.
I don't even want to say culture appropriation, right?
Because that's too easy.
Like hearing that they saying Beyonce was culture.
Like it just drives me up the wall because it's like, are we are we for real right now?
Like be effing for real, please, y'all.
Like what?
didn't
everything You
I hate it dog.
I hate when he get into his Caribbean bag dog, but
I understand it because he is from Toronto.
And it is a huge Caribbean population out there.
So it's like, I got to respect it in a sense.
Like, I can't.
Karabana is out there.
One of the largest Caribbean carnival festivals in the country.
Well, Canada ain't really our country, but, you know, on the continent, I should say.
But.
Well, you know, I understand it.
But if Drake done rapped in Spanish, he done rapped in UK, British, and would have split pop, pop in the soup.
He done rapped like that.
Where?
He done did it all.
American, African American.
He done been everything.
He done done it all.
Man, he done done done it all done done it all.
Done took it all, done took it all, super colonizing, super settler.
But, oh man, but, but that's an actual, we can get into Drake if we want to, but I just think it's a great example, right?
Because Drake is half black and half white.
And then we've seen spaces where he definitely showed up more predominantly white, probably earlier in his career, right?
And later in his career as music became more good for him and good to him, you know, he started leaning into the blackness of it.
But there's video of him talking about how he thinks like the way that Canadian slang, Toronto slang was.
And when they say, oh, the man's dim is the man's dim is on the way we upside by the ends.
You know, he clearly, he vividly said, oh no, it's kind of ignorant, you know?
He sitting at a table with a bunch of bunnies.
You know what I'm saying?
We gotta see if we find that video where he was talking about how they talk.
We gotta play this first video
first.
Yeah,
floors
the
Of course.
Mexicans are going to leave a bad taste for black Americans for a while.
I'm really over trying to educate other Mexicans.
I'm just going to tell you how it is.
A lot of y'all used microaggressions against Beyonce.
By the way, I saw Mexicans disrespect Beyonce.
I didn't see black Americans disrespect Selena.
But again, the microaggressions saying she wants to be Latina, saying she wants to be Mexican, telling her to stay in her lane.
Those were microaggressions.
And then some of you all tried to gaslight.
Black Americans.
You can't gaslight Black Americans about microaggressions.
They are single-handedly the most educated ethnic group in recognizing microaggressions.
And it's not even close.
Number two, you guys overlooked Black Americans' contribution to country music.
FYI, Black Americans had a huge role in the creation of country music.
And country music tried its hardest to delete those contributions.
So accusing Beyonce a black American of wanting to do country music as a money grab and for clout is actually really disrespectful.
And number three, you may not like the song, but I don't think Beyonce had bad intentions.
She doesn't need it for clout.
She doesn't need it for money.
She's Beyonce.
I truly think she just wanted to pay homage to Selena.
Mexicans are going to leave a bet.
That was also for me.
I still like to.
to lie, man.
But
back home to piggyback on what you said earlier about us letting people in the culture and not really like being super protective of it.
I think that is also why people feel so comfortable when we do say like, oh, like.
This originated from us like and it could be or when we dabble back into it like country music when we even when came on show like she went into country music and people were like bashing her about it and she was like I went to she had like a scholarship or something crazy for yodeling like it's like people just assume like we can't do all these things or it doesn't come from us because we're so welcoming and we're so open to letting other people dabble in our stuff
without being like this is
ours you can't do that
like try to get back into it.
I'm
The way of the colonizer.
Think about it.
Let's think about it, right?
The South Africans, the Africanas we just spoke about.
They literally are on stolen land.
Literally on stolen land and feel like.
This is still their land.
Still feel like, oh, they deserve it because now Africans are putting in laws that says, no, we're going to retroactively take this land back and give it to the people because what you inherited was land that was stolen.
If you inherited a stolen car, it is still a stolen car.
No matter when this person decides that, oh, shoot, that's my car.
Right.
So they like, what do you mean you're coming back for to do country music and rock and roll music and like Latino
music?
Almost feel like feel like that family member you borrowed $10 to and then you kind of y'all both forget about it.
You come out like, hey, can I get that?
What do you mean you want some
from me?
It's like, wait, what?
What do you mean?
What do you mean that this thing that I borrowed from you that you graciously shared with me that now you want it back so you could use?
No, it's mine now.
Yeah.
I promise you one day we're going to have a real conversation about, you know, I ain't even going to damper the moon, but I'll say that for another day.
Let's uh brother Z got that video up Shannon.
Let's uh play that video
culture was actually stolen or co-opted from black and african practices cuisine and traditions Here are five staples of latin american culture that further prove black culture really is the blueprint number one
Orchata originated in Northern Africa around 2400 BC and spread into West Africa and Spain.
African people who were enslaved and trafficked into Mexico brought this tradition with them and now it is a staple of Mexican cuisine.
Number two, bomba.
Bomba, a traditional Puerto Rican style of music and dance, was brought to Puerto Rico by enslaved West Africans, primarily the Congolese.
Bomba is a call-and-response style of music that was used to express resistance, anger, and sadness amongst the enslaved West Africans who were trafficked to the Americas.
Bomba is also a major influence in reggaeton.
Mofongo and mangu, which are staples of Puerto Rican, Dominican, and Caribbean cuisine in general, were inspired by the West African dish, Fufu.
Afro-Latinos and Tainos
combine
traditions and ingredients to create their own versions of this dish.
Number four, Punta.
Punta music often attributed to- That's what I thought.
When they said
I was like, hold on now.
Right, don't get us into it.
Just call me Nellis, you call me Kev.
Look at that fufu.
Number five, rice dishes.
West Africans play a political role in popularizing rice in Latin America.
Dishes like arroz con pollo and arroz rojo, which use a heavy tomato base, are derivative of Jalaf rice,
like
origins in countries like Senegal, Nigeria, and Ghana.
The list goes on.
So make sure to share any additional black or African practices that have become staples of Latin America.
I'm just saying.
I'm
I'm
They might not even have no flavor for one for us, man.
They might have been.
They might have been leaning closer towards they colonizer side of the food spectrum.
Horchata, that's the most prized, delicious, milky treat.
It came from us.
You don't hear us saying we want it back.
Well, you don't hear a saying like, man, you can't, like, nah, you can't, like, nah.
You don't hear a saying that.
And a lot of times, like I said before, like we be knowing like the origin of a lot of this stuff and we don't, well,
is ours.
But it's only when we get tested in times like this, we bring it up.
And then all of a sudden we tripping.
Are we doing too much?
We think everything ours.
Straight up.
Some of their most favorite dishes and dances and sounds.
We that was just five.
That was just five things.
The Jim Bay drum, the Congo drum, the bank like, come on, man.
Come on, listen to the sounds in the music.
Latino music has very.
Similar tones and patterns and drum patterns and sounds to Afro beats.
But.
We'll come back when we come back, Shannon, I think we're going to get into this a little more.
We're going to slide over to the fat Joe portion of this conversation and close this hour before.
We get into the meat and potatoes, so don't go anywhere, y'all.
When we come back on our, excuse me.
I need some horchata.
Don't go anywhere, y'all.
When we come back, we'll get back into the rest of the menu right here on the lunch break.
Don't
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We having a good conversation today, man.
This is an amazing
bridge
the hypocrisy question Shannon.
So just to set it up, right?
Just to set it up.
We want to make a point.
And I feel like it's worth stating because some of the same fans upset about a black artist Beyonce, not just no regular black artist, right?
collaborating with a state approved.
All right.
You have to get approved.
Has been approved.
Husband approved.
Had to come out and stamp it.
Like y'all better back up off the Queen.
All one.
One Selena track.
All right.
Have not applied the same scrutiny to Fat Joe's decades.
of profiting from and claiming ownership over black hip hop culture, including using a word.
With specific anti black history, the nigga word, that's the one we talking about that word.
All right.
And if the standard is outsiders shouldn't profit from or claim another group's culture, that standard should apply consistently in both directions.
That's all we say.
Give us back our horchata.
Give us back our rice.
Give us back our drums.
Give us back our dances.
But no, that's not, see, that's the thing, right?
I feel like Shannon in this, in this world, like black people have gotten treated so crazy.
Everybody is worried that black people are going to treat them the exact same way they treated black people.
I think that's the biggest
fear.
And
never shown how they treated us.
We have never, we've been nothing but graceful.
Nothing but graceful.
And like you said, like welcoming.
To welcoming.
To the fact that.
And then the only thing, I think the only thing that we ask is that we get.
the recognition for these things like ain't nobody asking like we don't even be asking like give it back and don't do it no more.
We like give us our recognition, but they don't even want that.
They'd be mad when we bring up like, oh, you know, we originated that we brought that to y'all.
We are the blueprint.
We did that.
Yeah, don't act like it's yours Let us let us indulge in our own stuff like that's like inviting somebody in your backyard now You can't go outside like we just want to can we go back into our backyard?
So
We got a clip fat Joe
was on the Joe Budden podcast, and I think this is the Mark Lamont Hill response too, so I don't think this is the actual response.
But essentially, just to set up the response to this clip, right?
He was on the Joe Budden's podcast, and somebody asked him about, and I haven't seen the full interview, so I don't have the exact context, right?
But essentially, he was saying,
He's the blackest person any of these black men on the show has ever seen or met a Show where Malcolm and I'm calling him Malcolm man.
They may Malcolm Mark Lamont Hill is on the show a very outspoken Articulate black man that speaks up for black culture and black injustice all the time.
He's a he's black and in his do
He ain't specifically say that, but he said he's the blackest person y'all ever met.
Said that uses the N word frequently.
I still cringe.
I still cringe when he use it.
I still cringe when DJ Khaled use it.
I still cringe a little bit when Drake use it.
It don't feel natural.
What Kendrick say?
The thing with that, though.
We all we have like a radar when we know people are forcing it and when it's natural or not like I saw a video on It was on Instagram and it's do it sound it was flowing natural I was like I really mad at it because it feel natural like but when people are forcing it You can tell you can feel it.
You can feel that they just they've been itching to say it their whole life And it's like why why do you want to say this so bad?
Mm-hmm.
It's weird.
It feels out of place
I see him as all love.
I'm a big fan and I think he's dope.
But in that interview, our brother Imani asked him a question.
And he said he referenced Fat Joe's use of the N-word in the past.
And he said, and I'm going to read the quote, because I don't want to say it wrong.
He said, you had a very strong opinion on, yo, this is my culture too.
Fat Joe seemed a little agitated.
He said, what's the question?
He said, do you feel like there was any point where you were wrong in what you represented?
And they're getting at this inward conversation.
They're getting at this inward piece.
And fundamentally, he's asking why he thinks it's OK to use the N word if you're not Black.
Fat Joe said something that has made the internet go up.
just a blaze.
One thing is he defended his use of the N-word, but he specifically said, I'm the blackest nigga you know.
Right?
I'm the blackest nigga you ever seen in your life is the exact quote.
I am the blackest nigga you've ever seen in your
life.
He
also said, asking about the N-word question.
He said, are you crazy?
This is a no brainer.
I grew up in hip hop where they invented hip hop.
He said, guys, I don't know if you can fathom that I'm from the block that invented hip-hop, Melly Mel, Grandmaster Flash.
The girls who used to babysit me, they invented, let me hear you say, ooh, that's Grandmaster Flash.
I grew up with Melly Mel right outside the window playing basketball.
And he's going on to tell his hip-hop kind of bona fides.
And in doing that, he said, again, Fat Joe is the blackest nigga you've ever seen in your life.
Go look it up.
Now, part of what he's talking about is the fact that he was raised in forest houses, which is a housing project in the Bronx.
If you care, it's the more senior section.
It is super black there.
Some people say half and half.
Some people say it's more black than Latino, but whatever.
It's a very black space.
That's Fat Joe's argument.
Can we?
Oh, that was it.
Well, sure.
Let it ride.
We can come back and talk about it.
Well, I think there's some context in there that we needed to.
To hear but either way, maybe we we got the gist of it But he was in there essentially saying he grew up and on this block that Where hip-hop was was born and and so forth They would say August 11th 1973 at a back-to-school party in the recreation room 15 20 said wig
Sedgwick Avenue in South Bronx, New York, right?
He talking about Cool Hurt.
You know, his name is Clive Campbell, hosted a party organized by a sister.
Talking about all of these things, right?
Elements, DJ and MCNB boy in graffiti.
And we don't get back into it because I don't want to.
What up y'all welcome back welcome back welcome back what it do is our two with the lunch break crew y'all it is lunchtime Man we talking about fat
on the menu
a word Close enough,
He has to meet a problem with even saying that.
Like, come on.
Like, oh my goodness.
We like to start.
Especially people in New York, especially people in the Bronx, especially Puerto Ricans.
We love to start the story of hip hop in New York, and that's not true.
That's not where it started from.
Hip hop, the energy of hip hop.
It was an originally an immigrant sound.
All right, I'm going to give them a quick history, Shannon, before we get into Fat Joe.
OK.
It's roots and DNA Came straight from Jamaica Jamaica Jamaica the Jamaican connection for hip hop a lot of people don't even give Jamaica the proper credit for its influence in the hip hop
Okay.
DJ Cool Herk.
The same person he mentioned.
He didn't mention that the father of hip hop DJ Cool Herk, AKA Clive Camp.
Clive is a Jamaican name.
He moved to the Bronx from Kingston, Jamaica when he was 12 years old, Shannon.
Our sound system culture in the Caribbean.
Okay, and Jamaica DJs used to set up massive mobile speakers in the streets to throw outdoor parties hurt copied this exact setup for his Bronx block party Toasting Toasting right I'm giving y'all a little I should do this whole thing in my accent.
Just so these people can understand Or not understand for the for the lack of bet I was Jamaican DJs would talk brag and chant
Remember I said back in the day we used to call freestyle and chanting.
Chanting over the instrumental sides of reggae records.
This tradition was called toasting and it is a direct.
It is the direct ancestor of MCing and rapping.
So it'd be funny when they have all of this like energy, New York Bronx.
It's cool.
But that's not tell the full story.
Tell the full story of where hip hop and the culture actually came from speed it up so we could get through this.
So when Herk arrived in New York, he blended his Jamaican party style with American music.
He took the sound system set up and the toasting style from Jamaica.
Okay.
He then applied it to American funk and disco records.
That's what the Bronx youth was listening to American funk and disco records.
All right So that's the history when you talk about culture and then we'll go into To fat Joe now right in his comments because we gave them a little A little yeah, somebody says that's where reggae tone came from.
Absolutely.
It's called reggae tone a tone of reggae
Like, what are we talking about?
Critical thinking.
It's not that critical.
But some people just don't.
They don't even want to think at all.
the
But I still cringe.
But he says he grew up in black neighborhoods.
His grandmother lived in a 99% black neighborhood.
He said, what else he said?
He said,
What else he said?
He grew up in a black neighborhood.
He's from the block where hip hop was born.
That's not true from the block where hip hop settled because it came over from, you know, hip hop is an immigrant, you know, hip hop is an immigrant.
If they could, they would send hip hop back to where it came from.
Hmm.
All right.
Yeah,
he said all of these things.
Come
They like to keep it and send the people back.
So he is saying that because he's from this block, hip hop included in the Bronx, he lived amongst black people, lived in these poor neighborhoods, he lived in the ghetto, he lived in the hood.
That makes him blacker than any black person experienced.
And it's a problem with that for me, right?
My problem with it is because We have allowed people to think just because Not even think we have allowed people to associate poverty the hood and being amongst these things as credible Passes for somebody to say they black or they could use the n-word
because they hang around us or any of these type of things.
Or like poverty-stricken environments.
It's like you can go to the trailer park and witness all the same, all the poverty and all types of hood activities, but they call it something different.
Exactly.
So that isn't black.
That doesn't validate your blackness.
Why does...
People outside of our race or culture think because they were in the worst amongst the worst of us That that means that they were black and it's crazy We associate all the negative things with being black so much so that people now think oh, I lived in the hood.
I'm black I could say the n-word
eight, three, three, two, one, two, ten, seventeen is a number to die.
We want to hear your thoughts.
Who, who do you allow to say that?
And where do you allow Latinos to say it around you?
Do you allow?
Any other race, Indians, Palestinians, whatever, do we allow them to say it?
What was you about to say, Shannon?
And then we got Marlon on the line.
We'll talk to him after
you.
Go ahead, take Marlin call.
I lost my train.
I thought I was a can't remember exactly.
Hey, what's going on?
So here's one thing you got to take into consideration in this.
So because he's from Milwaukee and because it's so segregated here, a lot of times for us, people outside our culture, when they say the N word, it's like a blasphemy type thing.
on the east coast and the west coast, Hispanics and everybody, because they're so intertwined with everything, they both Hispanics say all the time out on the east coast and the west coast to black people.
So for here, it's like a culture shock, but out there, it's not necessarily a culture shock because Latin people, especially Puerto Ricans and Dominicans, especially out east Puerto Ricans and Dominicans,
A lot of times they saying it as well.
So that's the thing we got to take into consideration here because we don't we really don't have a lot of Dominicans and Puerto Ricans who hang out with black people where in the East Coast and the West Coast, they do.
But this is what I was.
Yeah, it's plenty Latinos here that I hang out with.
I went to Riverside University, one of the most diverse high schools.
Most diverse high schools.
I didn't hear a bunch of Latino people saying that word at Riverside.
I heard it more as culture became more.
Let me see, as our culture became more appropriated and mainstream and people saw like, oh, this black culture is really profitable.
And everybody was trying to.
imitate black culture, but that doesn't give people a right to use a degrading word for a community just because always normal out there.
And I think that's the conversation we have in Brother Marlin.
Have we made it so acceptable?
Have we made our culture so welcoming that outsiders could come in, take an offensive word that we turned and made it to a sense of endearment for us, which I'm still trying to understand how, uh, how did that happen?
But now, you know, everybody is using it and don't see the cringe problem in it.
That's more so what I think.
I'm getting that.
I mean, my situation, you know, when I go out there and like when I'm out west, I lived out west for a little while, I heard them say it all the time.
It was cringe-worthy to me.
And then I'm asking the brothers, like, why are you letting them, you know what I'm saying?
They all say it all the time.
Now, I was out there in the mid-90s, you know what I'm saying?
And then the West Coast, because I was in the Marine Corps, so I traveled back and forth.
So yeah, the same thing was on the East Coast for me as cringe worthy, you know, and it's just, it's just one of those things I think that ultimately though, the new, the younger generations, they don't, they don't really have that, uh, defended at all costs, you know, defend our culture at all costs type feeling, you know, the black Panthers, they had to defend our, find our culture, help our culture at all costs.
You know, and
that that would
all wait, but I don't think this new culture.
I don't have that.
I don't think they have that defended at all costs.
Now, Fat Joe is probably more my age.
So I don't know, you know, again, I think it's because he's Puerto Rican and he lives out east that he says it.
Now, when he goes other places, will he be able to say it?
That's a different deal.
I think Fat Joe gonna
I think he's going to say it.
But the problem is, Brother Marlin, is we have allowed people to get so comfortable in saying it.
We have allowed it so comfortable, so comfortable that we even I've even heard people say they got certain white people that they allow to say the n word because they grew up or lived amongst black people.
Yeah.
That's our problem.
We've watered down everything about us.
We've turned everything terrible into we always turned our pain into some sort of endearment or passion or pleasure, and that I feel has weakened our cultural system here.
So much so that.
We we ask it for Spanish rice instead of Jolof rice.
And not even understanding Spanish rice come from Jolof rice.
And don't come with that fact because they don't look at you like you're crazy.
We got some comments.
I don't know
I like the extra crunch.
But it also originated from us.
I'm over here looking at the comments.
You want to read them, Shannon?
Yeah, so I got Blake Gump G Love Family He Wrong.
Aaron said gotta love the melting pot of our music.
I don't even like when black people say it around me a lot Come on the shadow Damn it.
That's a long name.
Come on.
We don't allow that on the West Coast player But that bar said facts to call her however, I don't Ever like to be called one because I do have a government name you will use regarding me and I think that's important too because like
I've mentioned before a lot of these people using the word don't realize like there's a time and place as well.
But because we are from it and we understand it and we understand where it came from.
We know there's a time and a place and we also know certain people don't like to be called that.
So that's not something you just throw out all willy nilly either.
Like we have some type of week.
We got a radar on when and where are you going to use that?
Like some people will take offense to that.
Some people don't like it.
Like I said before, even when it comes to.
A friend group, do I call some of my friends to be word?
Do I call my sister to be word?
Sure.
But I'm not going to just walk up to a woman on the street and be like, what are you talking to?
I'm not going to use that to somebody's mother.
I'm not going to use that in a work environment.
So people use the word so freely because they don't know where to originate from and how and when to use it.
But we're going to get back into that after these messages.
Don't go anywhere.
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We are talking about how we allow people to get in our culture.
Use this word that is offensive or not even just a word, right?
Because I don't think it's just about the N word.
It's just about people feeling like they have place.
They have dominion in our culture without paying the proper respects to it.
We talked about Fat
Joe
knowing, knowing the history or knowing the history where a lot of the things that they view as their culture was inspired by us.
We talked about horchata.
That came from Africa.
We talked about timbo.
That sound came from Africa.
Those dances came from Africa.
We talked about Spanish rice.
That came from Africa, the Jolof rice.
All right?
That was just five simple things that we was talking about, y'all.
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Mark, how are you doing?
You live with the Lunch Break crew.
Hey, I'm
I was just thinking a lot of people think Latinos are race, right?
But it's an ethnicity.
So then there's black Latinos, there's white Latinos, my dad's Brazilian, but like I got, I'm white, I got blue eyes, you know, so I feel like there's some nuance there.
I'm gonna let, I'm gonna go so the other people can have a chance to speak too, but I felt like there was some nuance there.
So like in Brazil, for example, there was...
There was 50% of all the enslaved Africans came to Brazil in the United States at 2% Then there's people all different races.
There's the most Japanese people outside of Japan and Brazil.
There's a lot of Asian people There's a lot of but then Latino people that people are called Latino when they come from Latin America And then you like even in Brazil everybody says the n-word like it's become culturally not
become culturally unacceptable to say it in the last 10 years.
But like everybody would just say it because everybody would say, hey, I'm kind of black.
my grandpa's black.
just think
I also feel like it's important to.
Without getting to the technicalities and stuff or getting too deep into this conversation It's important to acknowledge that even though people have black or brown skin a lot of people have What do you say um have taken in the propaganda that African-Americans specifically are less than Almost everybody because you will find Hispanics with black or brown skin that will make it.
No, I am not black.
I'm not african-american.
I'm not I'm not a good word How dare you
you know I'm saying so Yeah, like you'll get people from other parts of the world that have black or brown skin that would love to Indulge in the culture indulge in the word because it's a cool thing to say and it's like oh I am kind of black and it's the cool thing to do or say but if you mistake them for being African-American They will be offended
or they will still hold these prejudices against African-American people.
I've had conversations like this millions of times with people from different places like, well, you know, African-Americans though, the black people in America.
So I just thought that was
said.
And it's a lot of people that know that this is a fact.
Like I've seen it with my own two eyes and it's people within there.
If you're being honest with yourself, you know, it's true.
You know, it's true.
There's colorism.
There's also on top of that colorism in Hispanic culture, if we be honest.
now.
Mm-hmm.
Come
man.
Come on
I mean, let's look at- Stop playing.
Let's look at the folks from Egypt for a second.
Mm-hmm.
Them is brown people.
But they do not.
They do not associate themselves with black.
Look at how they treated speed.
I show speed.
A black man in Africa in Egypt at the World Cup.
I ain't even talking about Argentina.
I'm talking about when he was in Egypt.
OK.
Egyptians.
Don't even be trying to associate themselves with the rest of the Africans that's out there.
Exactly.
people think the proximity to whiteness makes them better.
And that's why they feel like if I denounce being African-American, at least I'm not that.
I might be brown skinned, but I'm Brazilian or I'm this.
I'm
All
Quincy on the line
What's up, Mitty?
I'm a big fan of yours.
Yeah, yeah But um, you know, I'm like I heard the conversation fat Joe He I've been listening here since I was 18 and I'm 34 years old now But for him to make a comment about the end word I just thought that was kind of petty cuz I'm African-american and I listen to a lot of music like
whatever comes to mind.
I listen to TLC, I should have missed the Elliott.
So, yeah.
And you definitely a fan of ours for calling in the show, man.
We appreciate when our cousins call in and show some love and share their thoughts and truths with us.
Man, I think that's very important what you said.
Because it's people that do listen to his music.
Right.
And has been listening lean back.
I rocked with fat Joe Bay just based off of how he held his own against 50 cent.
Yeah, I just liked how he stood up to a bully.
You know what I'm saying?
He held his own and he was I mean, let's put it this way.
Eminem.
Had a huge role in hip-hop music.
He ain't running around here just saying, oh, I lived in poverty and all this other stuff.
And you know what I'm
saying?
He ain't just
I remember some stuff, you right, you right.
Some stuff came up from his past when I was younger.
He definitely was pissed off when his black girlfriend left him and he made a freestyle.
Because I remember, uh, who was the guy he was beefing with from the source?
I remember that.
Who was the guy named from the source again?
He ain't had no neck.
What's his name?
Oh my goodness.
What do you have a neck?
what's his name?
Benzino.
that's
with Benzino and
it
Well, I'm feeling wonderful.
What I wanted to say respectfully, we the blacks have not normalized that because that's a mindset that's associated with ignorance and race play.
So where we are today, we have a whole lot of inwards with that mindset.
Other thing we have to understand is everybody say they don't want a black, but they love to sleep with one.
I put it in the daddy and then they call switch when they get back out into society.
We the Blacks carry ourselves in a certain manner, but we do have those with that mindset.
And those with that mindset, we will communicate with you, hey, we will even sleep with you, but we will never go nowhere with you on our arm because you are a liability and a detriment, okay?
And a lot of y'all who think like that have bad credit, and a lot of y'all are not that good at nothing.
But what I wanted to say is, is any race, any color,
from anywhere in this world can be one.
So we the blacks have not normalized it.
We just let you have it because that's what a lot of them are raised to be.
They just want to use the black space for it.
But from the womb to the tomb, that's who they represented from birth, not the blacks.
We know our place.
Can keep in mind,
The reason why they have laws is because they want to act and use the mindset.
It's not because of the blacks.
Y'all have yourself a good day and enjoy a tropical buzz ball.
All right, bye bye.
waiting for him.
I was in print.
Man,
Kamal.
you know,
make sure you're saying something right.
But anyway,
man.
He got no tail, girl.
anywhere.
What up y'all welcome back welcome back welcome back what it do what it do what it do our two with the lunch break crew Ray nitty may be Shannon DJ brother Z holding us down with the production and sound how y'all feeling man how y'all feeling we having an amazing conversation
The lines is popping today, man.
I'm assuming y'all like the menu.
They like what's on the menu, Shannon.
I got something
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I think you got something over there.
I do.
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I know, man.
This menu got my stomach bubbling, man.
Somebody need to get out the bathroom so I can get my turn.
They been
in there.
They been
there for two
Come on, man.
Hey, ain't it a sign on the door saying y'all better stop blowing that back?
It's a sign.
What result did
When I went in there,
I was like, bro, what resulted in this?
Like, who did this?
there.
It's because during the winters, the pipes froze.
Ah, okay, okay, okay.
Got
going
Oh,
caca.
Ah,
Hey, thanks for taking my call, man.
You talking hip hop.
So I know I had to call it.
I'm a hip hop, you know, that stuff.
But yeah, man, I'm.
You know, to me, I've heard young Caucasians use it with their black, close call, black friends.
And I think it depends on what Caucasian you let use it.
Because if a dude in a red truck pulled up on the basketball court, he'd start spouting it out.
He might get a couple of lumps, you know what I'm saying?
But if it's a young white kid, they kind of let that slide.
I mean, I'm a gang leader too, so I play 2K.
And on there, on the airport, you hear them saying that all the time.
I'll be reporting them.
I'll be reporting them left and right.
And I don't know if they get suspended, banned, and nothing.
I don't know if anything comes of it, but I, you know, and they can put tattoos, they put the word on their skin and all that.
It's real crazy in the, in the, in the toothed world.
But, um, I don't know how we should, and anybody know what's on the south side, I don't use it.
Well, none of my speech, I went, I'm mad at you or none of that.
I don't use that.
My kids don't use that.
They're not allowed to use it around me.
Now we didn't, anybody still, I don't know what they're saying.
But they're friends and stuff.
They know me.
I don't play that.
I don't play that in-word stuff.
I think this is a big veils on, right?
So, uh, I don't know how we supposedly can take the sting out of the n-word because when it's, when it's wrapped in blood, that word is wrapped in blood for years.
And I don't know how we can make it a term in a dear man.
And I love Tupac, but this never ignorant, getting goals to accomplish that crap never flew with me.
Because in a regular MTV, asked him why she can't say it, and he can.
He tried to butter it down.
It's never made sense to me.
And that word really wasn't a part of hip hop.
It just recently became a theme.
And like you said before, only when it comes to black Americans, where people want to be like, we'll take the culture, but we don't want to beat him.
So we're part of the main, but it's kind of like, it's kind of mixed up.
We all confuse.
But yeah, as far as the word goes, yeah, there's no way to sweep that word no matter what.
And yeah, you're going to get this crap slap to your mouth.
I'll tell you, if I'm in the right move, you're going to get a hand slap because I don't play that.
the
One of
now we have it on.
It's very important to know your audience.
You can't just walk around saying something that is like he said, wrapped in blood.
You can't and then turn around and tell people what you gon' say and what you not gon' say when it's.
an offensive word at its core.
So you
can't turn around and tell people what you're gonna say and what you're gonna call them because like I said, it's a time and place and not everybody is comfortable with that.
Okay.
I mean, like we said before, the black people in cool is literally the.
blueprint of everything.
But then people adopt what they like.
They cherry pick what they like from our culture.
And then and then everything else they demonize until they can figure out how to integrate it in a culture.
Even when it
comes to like twerking and stuff like that.
Now all of a sudden it was cool once Miley Cyrus started.
Disgusted.
I mean like Braids you got the you got the Kardashians when she wore braids to the back they called it like bohemian something so
like bro
braids.
I was a whole discourse about that.
They are doing it.
Both him
and
black women about them is recently was talking about a quick weave and was calling it something totally different.
Like she was describing that she has a quick weave in her hair.
And I'm like,
was trying to change the
Come on,
You know what's crazy?
Speaking of white dreadlocks, I'm not holding up a caller, right?
I was like, I don't want to pop it.
We cleared it.
So what's crazy to me is literally this happened like a week ago, right?
Stopped by a bar after work and there was a biker dang in there Like that like this a time and a place I was in
All
right
Like some people feet on them couches was way worse than what I had on but moving onward.
I Was in this bar in this biker It was a biker.
Dang.
And you were trying to get a
I didn't have my sound.
Cali in general.
Cali in general.
That was the
The argument came from me saying a lot of my friends are moving from Vegas.
And somebody was like, well, it's hard to make friends out there because most people want to do it.
I was like, well, we can't say that.
It's not just a Vegas thing.
I think it's West Coast culture, for sure.
But I feel like Cali is like, man, they just ain't got enough casinos in one place.
Like, that's a longer story.
We got it listed.
Let's stay
Who has the most?
But
seriously,
man, Lisbon, definitely somebody did write me and they say, you need to add Milwaukee on there
because
they flying out there.
And I was like, wait,
we can turn a whole nother topic.
But yeah, so go ahead.
I was at the bar and in like there were a biker.
It was like a white biker gang.
And like one of the guys he had dreads.
And that's what brought me to that because you just said,
you hate when they wear dress.
And the crazy part about it is like, he tried to talk, like, you know, strike up a conversation.
I'm like, you know, we speaking.
He was like, I was kind of scared to talk to you, you know, cause black girls.
And I was like, like, bro.
I was like, you must not know black people.
Like, obviously, like I keep it cute and educational at the same time.
And he was just like, yeah, like you probably would have been like, why is this white boy trying to talk to me?
And I'm just looking like.
The white man with dreads the big biker dude with dreads was scared to talk to me He was like cuz I still got feelings you might have been like why are you trying to talk to me?
And I'm like, why would you think that I was like black women are very kind and loving and we know how to stand our ground and be firm as well But why would you why would you think that and it kind of plays into a saying like people will
What is it called?
Like they will embody like certain things from our culture and we'll think like oh, okay They get us they understand us.
They know us and it's just not a fact Like it wasn't anything wrong like no, there's something wrong with what he said, but like I don't be offensive
But
it's just highlighted that that he didn't like you don't know black We don't understand the culture Shannon before we go to
I don't like... I don't like dreads.
That's not my look.
That's not my...
it's... But how are we...
it.
I don't care for the look.
You
know the upkeep is like expensive and it's like
you
have to be a clean person to keep them clean and you have to know The steps you need to take and when I see white dreads, I'm not gonna lie call it what it is, but um, what do you call it?
Do you, do you know the proper upkeep?
I don't know.
It might be me being, I don't, could it be me being prejudice?
I don't know, but I worry that you don't know the proper upkeep and that stuff might stank because their hair is very different from ours too.
They need to
wash their hair multiple times a week.
We don't have to.
Our hair just isn't built for that.
It actually would damage our hair to wash it more often.
So when I see white people with dreads, um,
I'm worried.
think that's a very natural form.
Like our hair will naturally form into dreads.
OK, I don't think there's it takes a lot of.
Upkeep or lack thereof for that to happen.
So either you really burst on what you doing with your hair or you real trifling.
It's a lot of neglect for them to get that hair the way that they do a lot of neglect and just.
I don't know.
When we come back, y'all, I'm going to take a picture of this poster in the restroom.
But when we come back and I get done with my business.
We gon' close this thing out.
We gon' move on to what was supposed to be the meat and potatoes, but clearly sometimes our meals spill over.
When we come back, we gon' move to the Lindsey Clancy case, and maybe we don't, cause I think this deserves more time.
But don't go anywhere.
This is the Lunch Break Crew on the award winning 1017, the
truth.
Okay, I can't stop now.
Won't stop.
Last time I checked.
I'm ten toes down.
Run it up and then invest.
I'm looking in the mirror.
Really, here I'm beating on my chest.
Then look at my agenda like, what's next?
Getting off, I'm doing my thing.
What's next?
Put on for my family and my team.
What's next?
Cash out, I'm pulling up clean.
What's next?
After that, I rinse and repeat.
What's next?
When I was a kid.
What up y'all?
back.
Jeez!
Appreciate
Sound like we got more on the menu
We do.
It was too much on my menu last night.
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Man, all right Welcome back y'all to the award-winning one-on-one seven the truth shots out wave man Just let this play for the rest
of
the
show
This
I was playing on rap
crazy.
Red Rock.
You
the walls.
were
Yeah, rap music would have calmed them down.
Let's see if they come out with a no country music list.
It was the hip hop next door that got to him.
It leaked through the walls and it
You got that
major
bro, can I get a turn?
Yeah, he ain't even reading the sign, huh?
He said, forget it.
leave.
No.
No, it was terrible,
It reminds me, there was a video I sent to the group, but it was the teacher that had to make a fart corner.
people like, how much was going on that resulted in this having to be a corner of the classroom?
From Jamaica for those that don't know I know a lot of people think that they understand the story of hip-hop and so forth, but DJ Cool Herk If you just joining us DJ Cool Herk the father of hip-hop Clive Campbell he moved to the Bronx from Kingston, Jamaica Okay, when he was 12 years old the sound system culture, okay?
In Jamaica, DJs use set up a massive mobile speaker and stereo system to throw outdoor parties.
Herc simply took exactly what he was doing in Jamaica, what he saw his older people doing in Jamaica copied it and did the whole setup for that first Bronx Black Party where people are saying hip hop was birth.
And that wasn't even just it, okay?
Toasting.
Toasting was...
Jamaicans talking over instrumentals.
That is what rapping and so forth came from.
All right.
He he applied it to American funk, soul and disco records.
That's what the Bronx loved.
So he took the sound system set up and toasting style from Jamaica.
OK, so that's the history of hip hop.
Hip hop doesn't just start in New York.
All right, it migrated to New York, merged cultures with what was already going on in New York, and now formed what we have today.
And now that hip hop has since taken a new identity of its own.
So that is a history.
And if you want to do some more research of your own, don't just start at where we thought hip hop began.
Because a lot of people think our story starts after slavery.
for black people and that's not true.
The story goes way way back before we were slaves.
That's where a lot of these sounds came from.
Your Puerto Rican sounds, your rice, your horchata, go do the history of where a lot of these different cultural dishes and dances and sounds and music came from.
A lot of times it was from Africa or some Caribbean nation.
So
That's my time.
Shannon, what you got for us, man?
Close us out, please.
Man.
Never stop asking why and never stop researching.
That's really what it comes down to.
Keep asking where and why things come from and why things are the way they are.
You'll get the answers.
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