Mike McCabe joins the show in the second hour to deep dive into the causes of the housing crisis and the resulting unaffordability. John & Gordy discuss how the debate is often "impoverished" by not talking about how the "ultra rich are screwing over the average working family", and they praise the recent New York mayoral race winner, Mamdouh "Mamdani," for focusing on making New York more affordable. They conclude by drawing a parallel to FDR's assertive, experimental approach during the Great Depression, suggesting that a similar spirit of aggressive action and willingness to discard what doesn't work is needed to fix the problem.

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