Love, but not to Serial Killers (Hour 2)

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Love, but not to Serial Killers (Hour 2)

John & Gordy · Fri Oct 3, 2025

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Now, what he said.

Oh, yeah.

OK.

Good morning.

Happy Friday.

Yes, it's WMDX 92.7 John and Gordy in the morning and we're hanging out here in the morning as long as allowed by the federal government As long as they Don't cast their eye this way.

We're we're good and And we're very happy that each and every day we're able to do this.

Yes, we are And to bring you the latest news

and commentary and the hopes that in the not too distant future, we won't be broadcasting from some kind of FEMA camp of some sort or prison cell.

Happy Friday morning to you.

Rise and shine, shake a leg up and

out.

You're so positive.

I keep losing the internet on my computer here.

Really?

I don't understand it, yeah.

Pines

working okay.

You see, there were, uh, ICE arrests reported in Madison yesterday.

Yeah.

Seven people were arrested by the, uh, US Immigrations and Customs Enforcement in Northeast Madison.

Thank God.

You know, I thought, when are

they gonna get here?

Well, they're here.

We've got trouble and they're not paying attention

to

Madison.

Wow.

You know, this isn't, this isn't right.

Yeah.

Anyway, um,

So it's Friday.

Yeah, it's a great great.

It's going to be a great Friday.

I guess it's going to be hot today.

But by the way, there's a prediction that tomorrow it's going to be a record high.

Oh, is that

so?

Yeah.

Oh, wow.

And then Sunday, of course, we have our walk to end Alzheimer's at Warner Park.

It's going to be warm mid 80s, I think.

I should be pretty good.

Good walking weather anyway.

And yeah, and the Cubs Cubs are in the playoffs.

Yeah.

Yeah, I'm sure you watched the game yesterday, right John?

No, you didn't see it.

You

missed it.

I heard my wife listening

was on

ESPN.

I know I

heard it.

Okay.

I heard it

Look, I like the play-by-play announcers for the Cubs.

Oh, sure

Pat and Ron.

Yeah, Pat Hughes

and Ryan Coomer.

I think

they're really good.

They're excellent.

Yes.

Yeah So so the Cubs take on the Brewers

beginning tomorrow with that series in Milwaukee.

Five game set.

Are we giving away tickets for that?

Do we need to?

I

don't think we have tickets

for that, at least

not that I'm aware of yet.

Well, Gordy, would you still go if they make it far in the playoffs?

Would you go to a game?

Of course I

would.

Yeah, absolutely.

Would you turn down tickets?

What?

Would you turn down tickets if you had an opportunity to

go?

No, I would accept those tickets.

Would you ever?

Whatever

that

contest was that we used to

do.

Would you

ever?

Would you ever?

We took that one on the shelf for a while.

Nine minutes past the

hour and well, we got a question here, Bud texted us and said, did I just hear in a news report that the Coliseum can hold 100,000 people?

He goes, ah, I don't think so.

I don't think you're talking

about.

I don't know.

You mean the Alliance Center Council?

Yeah, I don't think so,

yes.

I don't think it holds that many.

We're Dairy Expo's taking place, right?

That's right, the World Dairy Expo,

yes.

In fact, we're going to be talking to Pam Yankee in about 10 minutes or so.

Get an update on that.

And also, of course, Rocker will be here with a Maxing preview in our next hour.

And we'll check in with Savannah Tomey Olson.

And it's our last day for the go for the green and gold text to win contest.

Excellent.

Yeah.

So one more chance.

One more.

Well, several chances throughout

the day.

Seven o'clock, nine o'clock, eleven o'clock, one o'clock, two, three o'clock.

Five

o'clock, seven o'clock.

I don't know.

It goes on and on.

It does go on and on.

But yeah, plenty of chances to still get in to win those tickets.

OK.

What do we got?

Yes.

What?

Ice in Madison?

Yes.

Yes.

That was

the report.

That's on the news.

Did they repel from helicopters overhead?

Oh, my God.

Can you believe that happened in Chicago?

I know.

We'll get to that story in a

bit.

Yeah.

But yes, ice was in Madison yesterday and they arrested seven people in the northeast side of Madison.

Yeah,

that's, that's the word we're hearing this morning.

Let's see, we're getting some more texts

in here.

Just hoping, just hoping an urban assault vehicle like the one in Stripes doesn't show up at my house.

Stripes,

what a great

movie.

That or

Black Hawk

helicopters, again, repelling down.

to invade your home, an entire apartment complex in Chicago, which is just so extreme, so, so overwhelming to take these individuals out of the apartments and put them in trucks.

The kids in trucks, half-naked people in trucks out of bed, just repelling down, take them out of their apartments and put them in trucks.

That's, the thing here is,

We're not talking about immigration immigration anymore.

We're talking about this is the way our society is treating the American public now This is what's happening in this country.

This is that next step and it's a very very fast pace that they're going on.

Yeah, so I You know we try to

Try to add some humor to all of this, but sometimes it's really frustrating.

Well, it's not funny.

I

know.

Yeah,

it's

just outrageous.

It's outrageous and it's sad.

Yeah, it's awful.

Yeah, so a little bits of What's up

What's going on?

I can't I can't stay I can't stay on the internet here.

I don't know what's going on.

What really are

you?

I'm fine.

Yeah, all the time I had like

five stories.

I wanted

to

talk about very quickly here It just keeps going in and out and in and out.

Okay Medicare users could soon lose perks that they love and that is

Choosing their doctor they may not be able to choose their doctor anymore It might be just the health care companies deciding who you see and when you can see them You got to get pre-approval.

This is the new revamped Medicare what they're trying to do now is they're trying to cut costs anytime you hear that

from the administration, especially this one, you know that you're going to lose a whole bunch of stuff.

Now

they're

saying this is very close to Medicare Advantage, which is the private version of Medicare, and they offer more perks with Medicare Advantage.

I've actually enjoyed it over the last five or six years, but I'll tell you what, they are denying a lot of claims.

And so that's the kind of screening process

they're going to put Medicare into now.

And if the doctor doesn't think you should see a specialist and you think you need to, they can turn you down and you can't see that specialist.

And

this is a cost cutting measure by the administration.

Cost cutting and healthcare doesn't go together in my book.

So this is not a good thing.

It's awful.

This is outrageous, if anything.

So, you know, I don't know.

This cost-cutting thing is really driving me crazy because they're, you know, they're killing programs and we're going to get into why they're going after democratic liberal states, blue state

programs

and funding is just, you know, if you're going to run a campaign for the midterms, I don't think that's going to be a plus.

You know,

I cut blue state funding.

Yeah.

I heard a whole bunch of people in Wisconsin.

Yeah.

Yeah, I can't see it.

I don't see that.

Yeah.

Well, the government shutdown continues.

Yeah.

Day

three here.

Yeah.

Nothing's, nothing's changed overnight.

Well, you know, the billionaires are added again.

This is another quick story that finally the page came up.

Apple.

has removed the ice tracking app that they had at their site.

Oh, really?

After Trump pressured them.

Now,

you know, I, for some reason, remember how much they complained.

They still complain about how Biden pressured big tech to take down or try to tamp down misinformation on the internet, right?

Remember

that?

You

can't do that.

That censorship, right?

Yeah.

Apple removed the ice tracking app after Trump and the AG pressured them to do so.

So here we go, you know, it what what they can do they they have a separate policy for Mega and and they can do anything they want We have another policy over here, and we are under their thumb the iron fist of the mega

Okay, okay, I'm just so happy for

Can we start over?

Yeah, yeah, I know it's these zip-tied kids in Chicago.

Yes, they did.

Yeah.

Thanks

Mark.

Yeah, I know

just to make us happier just from knowing that Anyway, you know just moving the ice tracking app.

I don't know.

Maybe you can still get it someplace else.

Maybe maybe has

it maybe

Referring back to this Urban Assault vehicle like the

one in Stripes.

Yes.

Such a great movie.

I love the part where they just say, lighten up, Francis.

And you got to go into Czechoslovakia.

It's just like going to Wisconsin.

Some great lines in them.

Yeah.

It was a great

movie.

John Candy.

I just saw that there's no ice.

App that you can't get anywhere.

You can't get you can't get the tracking app anywhere on any device Yeah, but you can get there's an ice immigration alert on only on Android that you can get which makes which is crazy But that might be the app.

Maybe that's it.

It could be just it's just an alert.

Yeah

Okay,

just an alert.

Yeah, all right Hey by the way

You know of course I mentioned before our walk to and Alzheimer's is this Sunday.

We are inching up to our goal We still have a long way to go though.

We're up 51% now Our goal is just thousand dollars.

We're at five hundred and six dollars, but we're gonna encourage you to

To help us out here today, this is our last day to be able to reach out.

Of course, the walk is this Sunday at Warner Park.

It starts at 10 a.m.

You can get there a little earlier.

There are going to be a lot of speakers and a lot of research material and things that you can find out about Alzheimer's and it's really a good time.

We did it last year.

We're going to do it again this year.

If you would like to help us out, go to wmdxradio.com, find the Alzheimer's link on the image carousel, that's at the top of the page, should be the image there, the first image, and you can join us by clicking on that image, and it's purple.

It is?

Yeah, I'm

in color

blind.

I didn't know it was

purple.

Yeah.

I thought it was blue.

So just click and sponsor our walk for Alzheimer's.

What am I leaving out here, Tom?

Did I get it all go to oh, I see I'll click on the join in giving image that should take you to our page on ALZ.org

so you

can donate right to our page the WMDX radio page We're a little over halfway now 506 bucks.

Hey chip in five or ten bucks at all counts.

So the link is the first

Visual and our website It's a carousel at the top I

I didn't find it as a first image.

I think it was the third or fourth.

Anyway, it's called a

carousel because it goes round and round.

I

was going to say, and no one knows what that is.

I was trying to figure it out when you first told me, but I thought, yeah, that makes sense.

It's a second image.

It's purple.

It's a second image.

It's a second image on the website.

All

right.

19 past the hour.

When we come back, we'll check in with Pam Yonkey, the fabulous farm babe, and find out what's happening at the World Dairy Expo.

Down in Gordy in Madtown.

Yes.

Beautiful morning in Madison.

Overlooking State Street.

No leaf blowers.

No sidewalk buffers.

No.

Not yet anyway.

It's still pretty dark out there.

But we've got some high temperatures coming today.

High around what 88 degrees.

Yes.

Maybe a record high tomorrow as well.

Yes.

This is what do they call it in Indian summer?

I think they call it global warming.

Yeah.

But it's similar.

It's okay.

Okay.

Global warming.

That's even more positive.

It makes me just smile when I think about it is

23 past the hour.

And yeah, it's going to be nice all day long.

You know what I'd like to do is I like the reason we put CJ on is to find out what magas are thinking, why they think the way they think.

And I have

a whole bunch of questions I'd love to ask at this point, especially about climate change.

And I was thinking about that this morning.

Climate change is one of those things that there's overwhelming support for the idea of climate change.

In the

scientific community,

yes.

But the scientific community also has those naysayers who are saying, well, it's the biggest hoax.

ever perpetrated in the rest of the world.

They still believe it.

I hate that line.

Yes, they do believe that.

Here's the thing I'd like to ask, you know,

why do

Megas think they can drag us down with them?

Take them, take us with them into this climate hellscape that we're we're entering.

Right.

That's what I want to know.

I want to know why they think they can take us down with them.

And what pleasure they receive from doing that.

Yeah.

All right.

Well, that's something to ponder, but

but first, but first, let's go to Pam Yonkey, the

fabulously farm farm babe.

I didn't see that.

I

didn't see the phone up here.

So we're joining us via stream or stream yard this morning.

Good morning.

Good

morning, Pam.

Yeah, believe me.

I didn't know where we were going either.

I was starting to rifle through my notes quickly to figure out if I could compliment what John was talking about.

Unfortunately, I am one of those sitting in the dark and sweating already at World Dairy Expo.

That heat that you allude to, though,

Guys has really been quite an issue for a lot of the livestock operators out here.

This is just flat out too hot.

Yeah, this is this was not expected.

And so they have had to turn to all kinds of technology, both purchased and just jumped up to try to keep these animals cool.

You know, you got to remember cows average body temperature is 102.

That's when she's healthy.

She loves.

she loves temperatures that are more in the mid forties that is when she feels her best so they and when they start showing stress they just don't walk is nice they don't they just they're like the rest of us you just don't look your best and so there's been all kinds of investments i'd love to know what the

local cash receipts look like at Blaine's Farm and Fleet and places like that because they've been buying what we call swamp coolers, which is basically humidifiers, dehumidifiers that can kind of kick out air conditioning right next to the cow.

So anything that they can do to try to keep these animals comfortable, barn fans are going crazy.

The Allian Energy Center and its electric bill is probably just spinning at the speed of sound.

And they're just doing what they can to try to keep these animals.

They're all going to be well taken care of, but they are going to be on their way into the show ring.

Some of them are already at the wash rack.

Today is the big day.

It's about four o'clock this afternoon.

We will announce the Supreme Champion.

And there's a bunch of Wisconsin cows that are still in the running for that.

And then after that is done, they will actually release the cows and then it's up to the people that own them if they decide they want to put them on the truck and try to move them.

or if they're going to stay on grounds and try to use the facilities that are available to keep those animals comfortable.

So it's going to be an interesting 24 hours to see exactly how these dairymen from across North America decide to manage it.

Yeah.

So today is the last day for

all

of this.

So

it

wraps up late this afternoon.

And then do they start heading out of town right away?

wait till

tomorrow.

They will some will, especially those that are, you know, maybe just a few hours from home.

Those that are going to be, you know, to think about it, a lot of those semi trailers are not air conditioned.

They keep the slats open so that the wind comes through, but a lot of them are not air conditioned.

So they may wait until dark because obviously it's cooler at night and then

take them halfway if they're going to Canada or take them halfway if they're going to California or something like that.

But they're really going to have to watch these temperatures.

And to your point, I think I saw projections for temperatures near 90 tomorrow.

And that's not just Wisconsin.

That's going to be around all the upper Midwest.

So they really have to plan these.

strategically plan how they're going to get these animals home once the show concludes, unless, yes, today is the last day, nine until four are the official hours.

And then like I said, if you want to watch online, World Dairy Expo has got Expo TV.

If you want to see the Supreme Champion at about four o'clock this

afternoon.

Oh, okay.

All right.

That sounds great.

Okay.

Well, I hope things go well on this last day there because

that's

a, how's attendance been this year?

It's always pretty

good.

It's pretty good.

I won't say it's fantastic because the weather is too good.

A lot of Wisconsin farmers, for example, stayed home to take care of field crops.

But I think everybody's very happy.

And despite milk prices, it's pretty upbeat.

Next week, we can talk about some of the other hot topics that got attention, which yesterday was immigration reform and also talking about what the federal government shut down means to farmers.

We can pick that baton up and toss it next week, boys.

And I'm sorry, John, that I disemboweled your climate change.

You had a good thing going there, man.

You were going ready for the closing argument.

And then, oh, here's Yankee.

Oh, yeah, that's

right.

I usually just go by what I see up on the screen, and I saw just a black spot.

I thought you weren't there

yet.

I was

just trying to fill some space.

But I do get frustrated.

I'm a black spot here at World Dairy Act.

That is true.

I'm a black spot at World Dairy Act.

Oh, come

on.

Your array of sunshine.

You are the fabulous farm babe.

No doubt about it.

All right, Pam.

Thank you.

Pam, thank you so much.

Have a good weekend.

Have a good Monday.

We'll talk to you

Monday.

Very good.

That's

Pam

Yackey, fabulous farm babe.

In fact, the Midwest Food and Farm Report.

Straight ahead.

And then when we come back, idiocracy for this Friday morning on WMDX.

As the 21st century began, human evolution was at a turning point.

Intelligence continued to decline until humanity was incapable of solving even its most basic problems.

The inner machinations of my mind are an enigma.

No!

You dense, irritating miniature beast of burden!

Idiocracy.

For the smartest guy in the world, you're pretty dumb sometimes.

Dumb all the

time.

24 seven, but it's all about really.

Oh, yeah.

We're in the shutdown.

This is John and Gordy in the morning on WM DX 92.7.

It is 635.

Nice clear skies this morning.

It's going to be a hot one though.

Temperatures topping out in the upper eighties for today right now, 60 degrees.

Want to remind you once again, Hey, today is the last day for our go for the green and gold contest.

We'll have

that opening up right after seven o'clock and we'll also be checking in with Savannah Tome Olsen around that time and our Alzheimer's walk is this Sunday go to WMDXradio.com find the Alzheimer's link on the image carousel it is the first image that you will see

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So jump on that right now, wmdxradio.com and help us out.

where they walk to end Alzheimer's, which is this Sunday at Warner Park.

Yeah, shut down time and everybody's wondering where we're going to go next with this thing because it appears that the administration is not going to negotiate with the Democrats at all on anything at all.

That seems to be the case.

They're drawing the line.

And it's a really good indicator.

as to what they really want to accomplish and what they want to do.

This has been something that they just can't drop.

They want to kill health care for the American public.

It's just hard for me to even grasp this.

They've hated Obamacare since it began, before it began.

They hate it and they tried to kill it so many other times.

50 or

60 times officially in Congress.

Here we are.

Now they have an opportunity to kill it, but kill it in a way that is kind of voluntary by making it too expensive for people to buy.

So that's the way they're going to kill the Affordable Care Act, the ACA Obamacare.

Uh, and they're not going to come back to the table.

They don't want to negotiate this one particular item because this is their chance to do away with this.

And I've heard so many times these other Republicans talking about, well, let's just go to a free market system where there's competition.

Let's do that.

We have had that in the past.

It didn't work.

It did not work.

And then I heard one of them.

play the cut later, but I think they said something like, well, you know, people should understand how expensive healthcare is.

What?

Really?

Well, I didn't know that.

Oh my

goodness.

Gee, what a revelation.

Is it expensive?

My goodness.

I don't know where that person is living, what

world they're in,

or they've just had company employment.

Healthcare

there's still

some

of that.

Yes.

There's a lot of that But if the people at work for companies that supply health care, they're they're completely shielded Insulated from the prices.

They don't know anything about it and corporations and businesses small businesses especially Can't afford the premium prices that are going up It's not just going to be so expensive that people won't be able to get it on the Affordable Care Act

businesses won't be able to sign up for it because it's way too expensive.

And they may even cut back on a lot of the things that they get as benefits.

So this thing, they are going to kill the Affordable Care Act by making it too expensive.

And I have mentioned this and we've been talking about it.

Haven't we for

the last day one

five months

on this thing?

Yeah before even before this became an issue But we've been talking about the fact the Democrats have to go out there and fight for the premium support They also have to fight for universal health care.

That is the solution to all of this not the free market Not the way it used to be which was a disaster.

That's why we have the Affordable Care Act and

existing conditions covered.

They want to go back to a system where they weren't covered, where you paid more if you were sick.

So anyway, this is a huge issue, and we're not seeing them come to the table to negotiate this.

They want to see this happen.

And we're going to be in shutdown mode for a

long time.

And we got a text here from Mark in the sack.

He says, and all these politicians get their health care paid by us.

Yes.

Yeah.

And that's another thing we've been beating to death on this show.

Yeah.

Why don't the Democrats say, look, we should discontinue the political people's insurance policies, all politicians insurance policies, get rid of it.

And until they come up with something for us, they don't get it either.

Right.

We shouldn't pay for their health care if they're going to keep health care away from us.

And they're using it as a hammer to beat us to death here and take away everything that we possibly have, all our benefits, all of the government services.

Because of the shutdown, they're going to cut even more and more funding to the states.

They're already doing it, especially to the blue states.

Again, great campaign slogan.

And they want to get rid of jobs soon.

They want to fire more federal

workers to

all that on top of that You can call us right now phones are open 608-879-8255.

There

were a lot of predictions about the shutdown and everything as recline put out his His thoughts on it.

Let's let's listen to what he said a while back before the shutdown

in about three weeks the government's funding will run out

Democrats will face a choice.

Join Republicans to fund a government that Trump is turning into a tool of authoritarian takeover and vengeance.

Or shut the government down.

Democrats faced a version of this choice six months ago.

We were in the full muzzle velocity stage of the presidency.

More mass firings in the U.S.

government.

Froze federal funding on projects across the country.

He is taking retribution.

The law firms have to behave themselves.

Sweeping tariffs.

But why

Canada?

And Democrats at that moment seemed completely overwhelmed and outmatched.

We will win.

We will

win.

I kept hearing people say they lacked a message.

But it's not what they lacked.

What they lacked was power.

They didn't have power.

They didn't have the House or the Senate, but they did have one sliver of leverage.

In order to fund the government, Senate Republicans needed Democratic votes, not just one or two votes.

They needed at least seven Democrats to reach that magic 60-volt threshold in the Senate.

All eyes are on Democrats and what they'll do.

I'm not going to tell you, I'm sure Democrats shut down the government.

I'm not.

At the same time, joining Republicans to fund this government is worse than failing at opposition.

That is complicity.

Democratic leaders have had six months to come up with a plan.

If there is a better plan than a shutdown, great.

But if the plan is still nothing, act normal and hope for the best, then Democrats need new leaders.

Well, I'll go along with that.

They need new leaders.

And I think Ezra brings up a really good point on all of that.

But also, Senator Alyssa Slotkin brought up a good point on it.

This was, again, a while back, but this was her suggestion.

This cut 49.

And let's hear what she had to say.

A lot of Michiganders, probably most Michiganders, are going to be getting notice this fall of a significant rate increase in your private insurance.

What I'd encourage you to do is get that letter that you're going to get, block out your address and your name and post that online.

I want people to understand that the rate increase that you're getting is because of what the president has decided to do on health care in this country.

And we shouldn't take that lying down.

Great ideas.

Yeah.

That's a terrific idea.

Post your bill.

Yeah.

How that bill went up.

Yeah.

But block out your information.

It'll freak out a whole bunch of people.

Yeah.

I mean, this is the way to go.

This is the grassroots version of fighting back against these crazy, I don't know,

brutal people.

So you have two sons living at home.

Yeah.

Are they both under the age of 27?

Is

that the cutoff?

Well, 26 would have been the family plan, but one is 26, the other is 23.

But here's the thing, they're on badger care at this point.

Oh, sure.

Because we have businesses and we deduct all the money and you know the

net

income

right

is still

below

where we still qualify for that at least for them My wife is on the ACA and of course they are too, but through badger care I see that goes away if if any of this is to continue if the magus get their way a lot of this is going away now

the BadgerCare, which is Medicaid, that goes away after the midterm elections.

They didn't have the courage to put it in place before the midterm elections.

No, of course not.

So they're gonna delay it and put it after, they've already put it after the election, so you'll be surprised and angry, but it'll be too late.

You've already elected these Republicans to continue, you know.

destroying our government and not providing health care for you and your family.

So yeah, this is a this is a big deal.

That's why I'm fighting this.

I I've always thought we should have universal health care.

Bernie Sanders has been talking about it ad nauseam for at least three or four decades, right?

Every other country in the world says it's a great idea.

Yet Republicans have the balls, the nerve to go out and say, well, we don't want to universal system.

That's crazy.

You know,

And it's like, no, every other country has it.

What is wrong with you?

They haven't collapsed.

Those countries aren't socialist bastions of craziness.

Everybody has it.

It's a way to stabilize the economy in those countries, stabilize what people think about their countries, and certainly gives a tremendous amount of comfort to families knowing that they're covered.

And

they won't have major bills to pay and spend all of their hard-earned money that they put together for their college funds all that stuff and With one emergency a healthcare emergency you spend it all and you you don't have it anymore.

Mm-hmm.

This is to keep the middle class in their place We can't move up.

This is destroying mobility

upward mobility.

Let's go to the phones Matt is on the line.

Good morning, Matt.

Go ahead

Morning guys, I just wanted to bring up this You know, we're suffering with this ice militarism because We have spent more on the military over the last 40 years then We have spent on anything

else.

Yeah, and it's a bunch of boys with toys.

They have too many toys and That's why we can't have universal health care every other country makes a choice Are you gonna take care of your people or are you gonna make a bunch of weapons?

China now has a military that can challenge us, but they've only spent a fraction of what we've spent So they're clearly smarter and more strategic.

Yeah, they also care about sustainability We don't and they don't have to worry about Christian fanatics that just believe stuff because they're raised to just believe stuff and They believe they can compete with countries that have three times as many people

Yeah, it's crazy.

It is crazy.

That's why we are here.

You have to stop funding this military jobs program.

Yeah,

good point.

All right, man.

Why we're here?

Because we keep pouring money into these weapons and toys.

We got to take a break here, Matt, but thank you very

much for that input.

You were right on.

Thank you, Matt.

We've got more calls waiting.

We'll get to those when we come back with John and Gordy in the morning.

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I don't care anymore.

No, we wanna hear from you.

I am so tired

of talking

about this.

Yes, we want everybody to.

Let us know how they feel.

The biggest

frustration for me is that we've been talking about this for the last three weeks, begging the Democrats.

Remember, I wanted to talk to the head of the Democratic Party in Wisconsin just to make sure they changed.

But I wanted to make sure that they got on board with going for universal health care and to tell everybody they're trying to save the Affordable Care Act.

Some sort of light at the

end

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just started doing it two or three days before the shutdown.

That's not soon

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That's not building up to this.

Oh my god, okay.

Let's go to the telephone lines and let somebody else do the talking.

Good morning, Joe.

Go ahead.

Please take

it away.

I think one of the things that's happening is this desire for clarity.

At least what I'm hearing from you and what I'm feeling myself.

save the ACA.

I mean, everybody knows

somebody who's got

a family member or a friend on it.

Just really simple, save the ACA.

When you spoke of the, I'm sorry, I don't remember the representative or the official from Michigan who said, post your insurance bill.

Yeah, yeah, yeah post the bill so people can see it and I think there's also the Democrats could do something with Okay, here are people's medical bills now Here's what they're gonna look like after the midterms if we don't change who's who's in this the house in the Senate Here's what your bill is gonna look like.

I thought that the I don't know if you focus on this or not I think you have the Congressperson Dean Madeleine Dean who cornered

Speaker Johnson about Trump's terrible performance and how this guy is sliding down the hill, sliding into the

ramp.

I'll play that next for you.

Okay, I'll play

that for you.

And I think what she says in there is so clear and concise.

And at one point she says our enemies are laughing.

That needs to be repeated again and again and again.

And it's clear and it's simple.

So same way, save the ACA is clear and simple.

Thanks

guys.

All right.

Thanks a lot, Joe.

Let's play that.

It's cut 18.

And again, this is Madeline Dean.

She's a representative.

Carter and Mike Johnson, and

Mike Johnson

was very dismissive.

But he was also admitting that maybe Trump is losing it.

Maybe.

So let's listen to this.

Yesterday, Democratic Congressman Madeleine Dean confronted Speaker Mike Johnson from the cameras and said what a lot of people are thinking, that Donald Trump is unwell.

The president is unhinged.

He is unwell.

What are

you doing?

Oh

my God, please.

That performance in front of the generals?

That is so dangerous.

You know I serve on foreign affairs and appropriations.

This is a collision of those two things.

Our allies are looking elsewhere.

Our enemies are laughing.

You have a president who is unwell.

That's right.

Very unwell.

And he so well.

He's just

well people on your side of the aisle too.

I didn't see it.

I was in a

meeting.

Yeah, sure.

I didn't see it.

Okay.

I am so tired of that excuse from the Republicans to avoid commentary.

Right.

So

I didn't

hear that.

Yeah.

Well, I didn't read that.

I don't know what you're talking

about.

Let's get to the political girl.

She has a great comment.

And this is in regards to J.D.

Vance's refusal to give emergency care.

emergency care, emergency services to immigrants who are injured.

Listen.

This

is a Democrat talking point.

They say we're not actually trying to give healthcare to illegal aliens.

And here's why it's not.

Is that it?

No, that is.

Give me

a sec.

Okay.

I've got another cut I want to get to eventually.

Oh, yes.

Who's talking about how the Democrats are handling the shutdown.

Yeah.

Yeah.

But we'll

get to that.

All right.

Let's go there.

So JD Vance just went on Fox News and lied his face off.

Listen to this and then they'd be back to explain.

Yeah.

So this is a Democrat talking point.

They say we're not actually trying to give health care benefits to illegal aliens.

And here's why it's not true.

There are two Biden era programs that explicitly gave the taxpayer health care money to illegal aliens that we turned off when President Trump took over

in January.

Program number one is there's a lot of emergency health care at hospitals that are provided to illegal aliens.

That was funded by the federal government.

We turned off that funding because of course we want American citizens to benefit from those hospital services, not to be taxed and then to have those hospital services go to illegal aliens.

So in 1986, President Reagan signed a federal law called EMTALA.

It mandated hospitals take care of any person that comes into their emergency rooms.

It didn't say legal or illegal, just person.

So if someone was in a giant car accident and they're bleeding out, no one's asking them for their passport.

MTAWA required emergency rooms and hospitals provided treatment regardless of the patient's ability to pay or their immigration status.

Meaning if you're a visitor to this country or a tourist and you have an accident or a medical emergency, you are also eligible to receive care.

What JD is talking about turning off is the payment the federal government made to emergency rooms and hospitals for the treatment of these people as mandated by the law.

Thanks to JD and Donald's administration, hospitals are now forced to eat the costs of that federal requirement, which means they are forced to pass those costs along to us, the consumer, the people with insurance, the citizens of this country, for what the government is no longer paying them back for.

So they didn't save us any money.

They just made a terrible system even worse.

But this has nothing to do with what the Democrats are fighting for and JD knows it.

We don't just let people die in ERs in America, but the Democrats aren't fighting about that.

They are fighting to preserve the health care of citizens who are going to lose their coverage due to skyrocketing costs that were engineered by the Republican Party.

The Republicans cut Medicaid, which affects Medicare, and people with private insurance.

They are closing rural hospitals, which only makes urban hospitals more crowded and understaffed.

They took federal funding that paid for MTALA, and now they are refusing to extend the federal tax incentives to offset the ACA costs so people will no longer be able to afford their insurance.

They are putting tariffs on pharmaceutical drugs, all of which will kill people.

And the Democrats are like, hey, man, we should be a cooler country than that.

Maybe our people shouldn't be dying of treatable illnesses or bleeding out in the streets while we brag that we're the hottest and best country in the world.

And the Republicans are like, nah, that Americans can die for all we care.

That's right.

But let us be sure to send billions of dollars to Argentina and Israel, both countries that have universal health care.

All right.

OK.

Good comment.

And the price is going up, up, up.

And that's what they're doing to the American public.

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We've got Dick.

What do you got for us?

Good morning.

Hey guys, what a week, huh?

First we have that wonderful speech to the generals.

Then we have the shutdown.

Now in Madison last night, I understand we had our first rust from mice.

This is that nice.

But back to the healthcare thing you were talking about.

Yeah, getting on board a little late, Democrats, but how about the whole country?

Uh, this was brought up in 1948 by Harry Truman.

Yes.

So I'd say we're really late.

Maybe, maybe he has got this idea.

I'm talking about Trump now.

He's had something affect yesterday.

Well, I have the right to strike this law and, uh, because it's never should have been signed in the first place.

I'm taking that as a good thing, guys.

He must be going to give us that Cadillac care.

that he talked about eight years ago that we're all going to get.

Yeah,

sure.

It's kind of like Nixon promising the end of the war in Vietnam and it took five years and another 30,000 lives.

That's right.

That's right.

Yeah.

And it would have ended a lot earlier with Johnson had Nixon not stepped in to prevent the negotiations from continuing

and getting a

deal.

Yeah.

And then it

fell apart when Nixon got in.

Yeah.

So I can't believe he got away with that.

That same thing happened, I believe, with Reagan.

Reagan and

Carter.

In the same situation.

And Republicans got away with meddling in that and causing a lot of people hurt.

All right, Dick, thank you.

We're going to get into the price of health care here.

We'll get into that in just

a moment.

We

need to check in with Savannah.

Tell me also.

Oh, yes.

Find out what's happening in our news world.

Good morning, Savannah.

Good morning guys.

Happy Friday.

Yes.

Happy

Friday to you.

Hot day coming up here.

What do you got for us?

Well, one of the biggest things here is that we have a budget cut coming to Dane County.

Um, we had a $31 million deficit going into this year.

And so, uh, after County Executive Melissa Agard took office, it was her job to figure out, okay.

Now, how do you fix it?

So the big plan is to have basically a lower budget for 2026, but that will include giving staff 1% pay cuts.

They're going to get more vacation hours in exchange for those small pay cuts.

And then on top of that, we have about 50 open positions in the county, and those are all going to be unfilled for at least the next year.

So we've got a hiring freeze too.

And on top of that, your property taxes will go up through the tax levy, but only by about $15.

She says that's the smallest increase in six years.

So at least your bills won't go up too much higher, but we may see, you know.

maybe a little tiny difference in services if we don't get some of those positions hired going forward.

Yeah, there's some kind of systemic problem creating all these shortages, you know, lack of funding.

The whole thing, it seems like the system is just falling apart.

You know, I don't know.

Well,

in both this, the city and the county will tell you that a huge part of that is revenue sharing from

the

state, especially for the city of Madison, simply because of how it's written and how it's written to specifically not benefit Madison.

That's

true.

All right.

Well, yes, on it goes.

Yes.

And

last, last

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And we're finding out.

That's right.

Yeah.

It's very hot there in the barns and the cattle aren't, aren't liking it.

So.

I wouldn't like it either.

Well, I hope they have the missing fans that they normally provide.

I believe they're doing everything they can.

Yes.

Well, Savannah, thank you very much for that.

Have a good weekend, Savannah.

We'll talk to you next week.

You guys too.

All right.

Savannah Tomay Olson from WMDX News.

You might remember Dana Perino, right?

She's a host on Fox News.

Didn't know that.

I forgot.

Don't watch it very often though.

But she thinks Americans just don't know how expensive healthcare is.

Really?

Is that what she thinks?

Yeah.

And she was talking to Mark Wayne Mullen, Representative Mark Wayne Mullen, with a whole bunch of different names, you know.

Maybe he'll add another name to his first name.

Anyway, here's Cut 31 and that commentary.

Listen to this,

this is something.

Costs are an issue.

People keep talking about it.

Obamacare didn't solve it.

And now we're in this situation where they think that these temporary COVID era extensions, they want to have them permanent forever.

Do you think it's time for the Republicans to think about figuring out a way to get back to more some free market principles or at least some plain talk about just how expensive healthcare actually is?

Well, we know Obamacare, affordable healthcare didn't work because it made the healthcare prices go through the roof.

If we want to solve this issue, how about we use

the president that's in office right now because he's the art of the deal.

He knows business, he knows how to negotiate, and he knows what free market

can do.

If they want to solve the health care crisis and actually take care of the American people, then use the business guy that's in office right now.

Set away your hatred and your bias towards him and realize he's the business guy that can maybe be able to help the American people solve this health care crisis and bring the free market back into working

for the health care of the American people.

I might be for that.

for the government solving it.

And we were just in Europe.

I don't think it's a great idea.

Well, she was just in Europe.

And she doesn't think.

Universal health care in those countries is a great idea.

What was the experience she had?

Yeah, she was on vacation probably Probably didn't do anything with health care, but oh, I was just there was awful Can you believe those people living in in squalor and in the European countries?

Oh my god, I have no idea what she's talking about

But you know

why why do mega viewers not feel angry about being called stupid?

I mean

Do they really think the people are this stupid, going to a free market healthcare system?

We used to have a system where those people with pre-existing conditions would be separated from everybody else.

Reason for that, I still can't wrap my head around this.

The reason for that is so that insurance companies don't have to pay so much money.

So we're doing that to save insurance companies money.

And it cost the insurance companies money because they had to contribute money to ensuring the people with the pre-existing conditions.

So it never saved anybody any money, but the insurance companies only wanted to ensure

Believe this or not, just healthy people.

That's the

free market system

that we're talking about here.

It's

not the

original plan for actual insurance policies, because insurance was put in place to put everybody in the same pot, people with high risk, people with no risk.

And it would just average out to a very easy, affordable premium per month.

But instead, they started

playing games with it, and that's why it costs so much money.

It's a really, really bad idea.

Let's go to Kurt here.

What do you got for us, Kurt?

Good morning, Kurt.

Good morning, guys.

I was on a river cruise on the Rhine, and there was a bug going around, of course, and I picked it up.

I've got asthma, and we were docked in a tiny town, maybe 5,000 people.

I walked into town.

I found a medical office.

I walked in.

Someone there could knew what I was saying in English.

I was explaining my situation.

I waited all 10 minutes.

I was seen by a doctor.

She examined me.

She wrote my prescription for prednisone.

And I said, oh, well, I can pay you with a credit card.

Yes, you can.

$32.

Wow.

I'm not lying.

I'll email you guys to receive $32.

Walked another 10 minutes to the pharmacy, $12 for the prednisone.

Yeah.

Wow.

Yeah.

That's incredibly inexpensive.

And, uh, and that's the nightmare experience a Dana Perino must have experienced.

Wow.

Don't want that to happen.

Mark, thank,

uh,

thanks for that, uh, that story that that's some of the.

That's similar to a lot of people's experiences in Europe when they have an accident or they feel sick.

Yeah, they get treatment and everything's just fine.

Get it right away.

Yeah, now let's go to the shutdown here.

And this is Chris Hayes with a little story about the shutdown covering it and what Russell vote is all about in regards to this who did project 2025.

Let's listen to cut 33.

This is 33.

Here we go.

Russell vote doesn't

pretend like this is anything but exactly the plan that he wrote in project 2025.

He gleefully posted this week, quote, nearly $8 billion in green new scam funding to fuel the less climate agenda is being canceled, then listed more than a dozen exclusively blue states that he is singling out for punishment.

Now, keep that tweet in mind when you listen to Republican Mike Johnson here doing a kind of earnest liar routine about the heartbroken and honorable Russ vote.

Russ does this reluctantly.

We had a 45-minute telephone conference with him yesterday.

He talked to all the House Republicans.

He takes no pleasure in this,

because

Russ has to sit down and decide, because he's in charge of that office.

Which policies, personnel, and which programs are essential in which or not?

That is not a fun task, and he is not enjoying that responsibility.

Oh, really?

He's not

enjoying it.

Russ, vote.

Are we talking about the same Russ vote?

Because not all Republicans are as transparently full of it as Mike Johnson.

Senator Mike Lee of Utah knows who Russ vote is, what he's up to,

and that he loves it.

That doesn't

sound like a guy's heartbroken.

No, I say that phrase preparing for this since puberty has been my head all day.

Anyway, the thing is, they're not hiding anything.

They are telling the American people to their faces.

They want to make your lives worse.

Yeah.

And that's going to be their slogan, by the way, in the midterms.

We want to make your life worse.

Vote us back in.

Oh, man.

It's a good campaign slogan.

Yeah.

It's nice.

No, it's done that

before.

Yeah.

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But first, before we get to anything else, let's go to Mark on the line right now.

What do you got for us, Mark?

Good morning, Mark.

Yeah, well, frankly, you know, how twisted are these people?

Because frankly, when I was before, when I was hitting puberty, I was dreaming about the first girl I was going to kiss rather than

What the hell is wrong with these people?

And for them to total over this kind of thing is that and they're not worried about the excess of spending on rounding up the immigrants sending in the Black Hawk helicopter to

as part of their immigrant operation because I didn't hear them bragging about how many gang members they rounded up and that little fiasco.

Mark, I've

got that cup coming up in just a few moments here.

It is just deeply disturbing.

It is.

It is just disturbing that a Black Hawk helicopter, for the love of God,

The things that could have gone wrong there, and I mean, I can just imagine Trump and his whole little cabinet getting all excited, you know.

Well, I don't need any Viagra at all because that's the kind of thing that gets them off.

Well, I think

repelling from a helicopter onto an apartment building in Chicago is not.

I think that went wrong right away.

Yeah.

So, Mark, I'm going to get to that cut.

So give me some time

to get to

that.

All right.

I want to get to you first.

A few words from Trump.

This is how he considers the US public.

Let's listen to cut 34.

There could be firings, and that's their fault.

And it could also be other things.

I mean, we could cut projects that they wanted, favorite projects, and they'd be permanently cut.

So you could say, a lot of people are saying, Trump wanted this, that I wanted this closing, and I didn't want it.

But a lot of people are saying it, because I'm allowed to cut things that should have never been approved in the first place.

And I will probably do

that.

OK, well, that's fantastic.

Cut five now.

Let's listen to this.

told you we have 17 trillion dollars being invested so the last person that wants to shut down is us now with that being said we can do things during the shutdown that are irreversible oh nice that are bad for them and irreversible by them like cutting vast numbers of people out cutting things that they like cutting programs that they like and you know all you all know Russell vote he's become very popular recently because he can

Trim the budget to a level that you couldn't do any other way.

So they're taking a risk by having a shutdown because because of the shutdown, we can do things medically and other ways, including medical.

We can cut large numbers of people.

We don't want to do that, but we don't want.

Fraud, waste, and abuse.

All right.

Let's

go.

Goodbye.

All right.

So anyway, by the way, he can't do that.

This is all illegal.

What he's doing right now is absolutely illegal.

Now let's go to what happened in Chicago, the ice raid on an apartment building there, cut 25.

She says

they took everyone and then asked questions later.

They just treated us like we were nothing.

Patricia Fisher said she came out to the hallway of her apartment complex on the corner of 75th and South Shore Drive in her net gown around 10 Monday night only to find ice agents yelling police.

It was scary because I've never had a gun put in my face.

They asked my name and my date of birth and asked me did I have any words and I told them no, I didn't.

She says she was then handcuffed and released around 3 AM.

Fisher says she was told if anyone had any kind of warrant out for them, even if it was unrelated to immigration, they would not be released.

Citizen at video shows the chaotic scene overnight.

Neighbors tell us there were dozens of ICE agents.

Neighbors like Ebony Watson says they ducked for cover as they heard several flashbanks go off.

They was terrified.

The kids was

crying.

People were screaming.

They looked very distraughty.

I was out there crying when I seen the little girl come around the corner because they was bringing the kids out too.

Had them zip tied to each other.

That's all I kept asking.

Where's the morality?

Where's the human?

One of them literally laughed.

He was standing right here.

He

said.

them kids.

Watson says budget trucks and military-style vans were used to separate parents from their children.

Other

neighbors say they saw agents destroying property to get in the building.

They had a big 15-inch chainsaw with round blade on it cutting this fence down.

We're under siege.

We're being invaded by our own military.

The FBI did confirm this morning that they did help the U.S.

Border Patrol carry out a targeted immigration enforcement operation in this area and they say they have been supporting these efforts at the direction of the U.S.

Attorney General.

So how did that turn out?

I wonder how many people did they capture some gang they were looking for right?

We didn't

hear

and if you think anybody yeah, if you think it can't happen here Well, it happened yesterday here in Madison seven taken away by ice yeah ice arrests in Madison last Last evening.

I mean you really have to wonder do you feel safer with government agents repelling from helicopters rounding up your neighbors in trucks separating the parents from their children

Yeah, this is

and this is

America now zip tying.

This is what

it's all about chainsaws as well.

Yeah.

Wow.

Scary.

Okay.

So, you know,

it's, uh, it's, it's

unexplainable.

It's, uh, it leaves you just stranded emotionally.

Yeah.

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But John Fugl saying, has a book, The Separation of Church and Hate.

Yes.

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Do not oppress the widow or the fatherless, the foreigner or the poor.

And that is from Zachariah.

And that is a quote from John Fugle Seng's book.

You know, he's making a great argument that the Bible is completely different from what we're hearing nowadays from Christian nationalists.

Okay.

Done with that.

Thank you, Mark, for that.

All right, let's push the politics aside

and welcome again, rocker and big weekend for you on Maxing.

Yes.

Well, let's unplug from politics and we do that Saturday 6 to 9 p.m.

on Maxing radio right here on WMDX 927 FM.

And of course, you can check out our podcast, which comes out Monday on civic media dot us slash Maxing radio.

And you can find our podcast and our broken out interviews on Apple Music and Spotify.

Just search Maxink Radio.

This week on Maxink Radio, we have Dr. Scott Bond.

Now he was going to be coming to the Atwood Music Hall, but his show got moved to March.

Okay.

Dr. Scott Bond is a psychologist and psychiatrist type guy who studies serial killers.

Oh, and so Halloween is coming up.

So he thought, why not get some serial killer studying?

He kind of types.

Yes.

On Maxink radio.

So he is a specialist in Ted Bundy and Jeffrey Dahmer and all the others.

And exactly why serial killers are so in our minds all the time, right?

And of course, like Wisconsin is sort of like, you know, capital.

of serial killers.

We have mostly I don't know.

I mean, you know, in football, we got Aaron Rodgers and farm and Julian Love.

And of course, you know, serial killers, you

know,

Yeah, Dahmer and

yeah,

it's a break.

Yeah.

So we're going to hear from him.

That's going to be a lot of fun.

And then Tony Castaneda is a legend award-winning Latin percussionist here in Madison.

And then live from the Mad City, we're going to have Horace Green.

Right here in the studio, amazing band from Oshkosh, and we're going to hear all about these bands in just one second.

So let's start out with Tony Castaneda, Latin Sextat, 20 years award-winning Latin percussionist.

He has a residence every Thursday at the Cardinal Bar.

And let's check out a little Mambo.

This is Mambo o Muerte.

This is Tony Castaneda.

Bye.

Well, it's nice, you know, John Candy of the character, Mr. Mambo, on Second City TV.

I remember that.

Oh, great stuff.

Tony Castanet.

That sounds really great.

Every Thursday night.

at the Cardinal Bar.

He's been doing that there for a long time, and that's like a perfect date night place, right?

Go dancing, I mean.

Well, I wouldn't know, I'm sorry.

He doesn't dance.

I knew he'd get that mission.

Well, I'm not dating anymore.

Oh let's talk about what happened last week on Maxine Gradio.

Live from the Mad City, we had a really special artist in here.

Her name is Chakari Dejaree and she's from Madison and she came in here and sang to backing tracks that she had created for herself.

And so she did the lead vocals.

But if you listen, the backing vocals were actually recorded on her phone in her bathroom, right?

What?

Yeah.

And so she sings along with her vocals because she doesn't quite have a band yet.

This is the.

the, you know, newest undiscovered singer that we have in Madison.

When I was on the show, I felt like I was on the voice.

I was watching just this amazing singer.

So without saying too much about her, let's check it out.

This is Chakari Dejaree live from the Mad City just this past Saturday.

So you better listen in the future.

This song is called Sugar

Daddy.

To my name Sitting struggling, wondering what to do

voice.

Oh man.

Gritty.

All six songs that she performed were totally amazing.

She goes, she goes into her bathroom with her phone and she just like starts singing lyrics and starts singing phrases till she comes up with songs.

And then she goes and kind of has these backing track made by some musicians out in California and she can go anywhere and just kind of sing this.

It's like just an amazing voice.

Wow.

And she sings about some really intense topics and her story is

nothing short of amazing.

So she has other musicians doing the backing in another location in the country.

Yeah, right.

She doesn't have a band right now.

I

know

that there was a website where people could do that.

They could provide one part of a song and another person could add to it and keep adding to it.

I

don't know if that's still around.

It's called Gordy

AI.

Yeah, well, I would think so.

No, they do have a number of sites like that now.

Yeah, you can do that kind of thing.

It's amazing, actually.

Yeah.

And Chikari, she's really good.

So if you see her playing around, she plays at the Cafe Coda every now and then.

And I think she's looking to get into a band.

So any jazz guys out there, she is out there.

Let's move on to Horace Green.

He is going to be live in from the Man City this week.

at 8 p.m.

Saturday night.

They are from Oshkosh.

We heard them last week.

We heard their brand new song, Cream.

I'd say think if Prince was from Oshkosh and played in a jam band, right?

Live from the Mad City Saturday, October 4th, 8 p.m.

Horace Green.

Right now, this is a clip from an older song he has.

This is called Sunflower Silo.

And what loves I used to have in life they have passed.

I'll bring them back when life ain't so fast But nostalgia's a vice Not just a memory I cry for a better time I never wanna say goodbye to love I never wanna say goodbye I never wanna say goodbye to love I never wanna say goodbye

All right.

Oh,

you know, I saw him last Friday night.

We went down to the union.

They're playing on the terrace.

Yeah.

Amazing show.

Amazing weather.

These guys are really good.

Make sure you check them out this weekend.

Live from the Mad City on maxing radio.

Okay guys.

Let's step it step it down a little bit Okay, good friend of mine Dave Benton you might know him he's been in the rosers the ghost particles spooner the water dogs He passed away last Saturday.

He was the owner of Mad City music from 1986 to 2007 Wow, and he was also the guy behind boat records put out Countless records of local musicians and some nationals

around here.

So there is going to be a memorial service for Dave Benton on October 13th from three to seven p.m.

That's going to be at the Wall Pavilion in Tenney Park.

There's going to be music and some food and a lot of his friends and a lot of good stories.

So we remember Dave Benton.

He was in the band the Ghost Particles and they are going to be with after August the 7th of November at the Harmony Bar.

Dave was a vocalist and a guitarist for

the ghost particles and I'm sure they'll have somebody sitting in turn that into a real tribute to Dave Benton right now.

Let's listen to a little bit of the ghost particles.

This is a song called oblivious and we remember Dave

Benton.

Now is that him on vocals?

I don't believe he was a backup vocalist.

Okay, he's on guitar there.

I think it's

stuff though.

They

are so recognizable

and you know, he just played with Spooner right show at the I would music hall.

That's I think you're gonna you know, that'll be a lasting tribute to Dave

Benton.

We're coming back with more with rocker in just a moment

Jan and Gordy in the morning.

Is this a threat or is this a warning?

Jan and Gordy in the morning.

Who will be their guest?

What will they be performing?

Jan and Gordy in the morning.

Are they funny?

Or are they boring?

Jan and Gordy in the morning.

Art Paul Schlosser will be our guest on Monday morning

on

John

and

Gordy.

Yes.

Yeah.

So tune in for that.

Always, always a fun time with art.

Okay.

We're back here with rocker and just a few more minutes to go here for the maxing preview.

And what else is going on here?

You know, Willie Porter, he's that singer-songwriter from Milwaukee.

There's going to be an evening with Willie Porter coming up Thursday, October 23rd.

It's a seated show, and this show is going to be at the Burr Oak on Winnebago.

So you're going to be able to get really close.

There is not a bad seat in that venue.

Love the Burr.

Milwaukee guitarist, singer-songwriter Willie Porter, he will be joined by cellist and vocalist, My Bloomfield.

Singer percussionist Carmen Nickerson and guitarist Ryan Pearl for the show.

So it's a band, a quartet.

And he has a new Atmos Immersive Live recording from Weasel Records that's out.

That's why he's out touring around.

Humans in the room.

It's pretty cool.

I don't know if you've seen that Atmos type stuff where it's got all the surround sound.

Well, I just put an

Atmos speakers in my living room.

He's got it all set.

I just want new

Atmos speakers.

Look at that.

John is getting super high tech.

I'm inviting Willie Porter over.

John now has Banjo circling the room around him as he sits in the middle.

It's pretty amazing.

Well, let's listen to a little bit of Willie Porter.

This song was actually recorded live at the Barrymore Theater right here in Madison.

This is Sister.

If you wanna leave, in the way I'm ever gonna stop you now Tears don't come cheap, there ain't a single dry eye in the house

And

I remember

seeing

Matthew Barrymore and every time I see him, I want to go home and start finger picking again on my

guitar.

You know, people might think of him as a singer and a songwriter and his voice is so recognizable, but his guitar picking, you're right, world class.

He's a great guitar player.

Yeah, excellent.

Yeah, very good.

All right,

we got time for a

couple of more here.

Well, I've got one more for you.

How does that sound?

Well, that's Jim Milhollow.

Let's talk about they're going to be playing the show called Trail Mix.

It's a bluegrass benefit for the Ice Age Trail Alliance.

And Jim Milhollow and Valley Fox are going to be playing the High Noon Saloon Sunday, October 12th at noon.

It's a free show and it's celebrating October's Mammoth Hike Challenge.

That's an annual event that invites participants to hike 40

five miles on the Ice Age Trail in October.

I'm making it like, you know, a third of a mile.

45 miles.

That's

a bit

of a challenge.

That's like something like out of like the show Yellowstone or something.

I mean, who walks that much?

I don't even know.

But some people are going to do it.

The Ice Age Trail Alliance is the only nonprofit devoted to conserving, creating, maintaining and promoting the Ice Age Trail.

It's 1200 miles national scenic trails.

So they're only asking you to walk 45.

Okay, and the National Park Service unit is handling this so let's right now here some gin mill howl They're gonna be playing Saturday October 12th at noon at the high news saloon for trail mix a bluegrass benefit for the ice age trail lions This is prescription for love

As long as

I next to you

Show me how you boogie Baby, dance with me tonight We're gonna lose it to the music Make you feel alright Tell me what you're missing Let me show you I will listen What is your prescription?

For love, for love, for love,

for love.

Cute, nice

song.

Great, great voice.

Yeah.

They were fine, huh?

Well, I didn't have banjo, but we did have a little bit of mandolin.

Yes,

you did.

But I was

picturing a mandolin throughout that entire song, so.

I bet a winner

really sounded cool, you know.

Do you have like a mandolin guitar?

No, I do not.

Just the banjo.

Well, a

banjo is

really a guitar banjo.

It's a six string.

But I got rid of an incredible banjo.

I went to my five string banjo.

It was cast iron.

And it was chromed cast iron.

Cast iron.

It was like you could cook

with it.

Well, you know what?

Maybe you could have.

You cook by finger picking.

Fry your

eggs on the

banjo.

Picking in a grin and in the cooking.

OK, Max makes this weekend.

What do you got?

That's right.

We have the psycho killer, Casca, say Dr. Scott Bond.

He is going to be coming in and talk serial killers.

Tony Casigneta, he's going to be coming in and talk his Latin jazz band.

And then live from the Mad City, Horace Green comes down from the great Osh Vegas.

And he's going to be right here.

I love that.

They're going to be right here.

I should mention that horror screen is not a person.

It's like Jeff.

It's a band.

It's a band.

So Sam and the boys, they'll be down here.

6 to 9 p.m.

Maxing radio.

Catch us on CivicMeany.us slash Maxing radio or Spotify or Apple music.

Very good rocker.

Thanks for coming in.

Yeah, good

weekend.

Thanks

guys.

Coming up Monday, we will have Art Paul Schlosser in the studio and maybe he'll sing purple bananas on the moon.

I don't know.

Right.

Hey, come with us Sunday.

Walk against Alzheimer's to end Alzheimer's.

I should say that is Sunday at Warner Park Come walk with us or make a donation online You can do that and we'd love to see you there.

You can sign up and walk right with us.

Okay.

That's it for us Great.

Stephanie Miller is next John.

Have a good weekend.

Yeah, you too.

All right.

Thank you.

See you later.

Bye

Beware of the blob, it creeps and leaps and glides and slides across the floor.

Right through the door and all around the wall.

A splotch, a blotch.

Be careful of the blob.

WMDX 92.7, that's the new nickname for Trump on the show.

A blob.

A little blob, yes.

He's got to start working out, you know.

Pete Hankseth is on a roll here.

He wants everybody to be fit and trim and no beards, a whole shooting match.

Macho men, that's what he wants.

And, and Trump is, you know, the commander in chief.

He's got an example.

The presidential

fitness thing.

You

don't remember the Kennedy years?

That's why I'm fit today.

Thanks to John F. Kennedy.

There you

go.

All right.

It is 635.

And it's a cool start this morning.

54 degrees highs in the low 80s.

Time for us to welcome in Dr. Tim Sleckers.

We do every Thursday morning.

Tim, good to have you with us.

Yes.

Good, good morning.

Yeah, I just completed my 25.

sets of 25 push-ups.

Oh, you know, ready to go.

I was going to say, you look pumped this morning.

Yeah,

I forgot to shave my beard, though.

I've been thinking really hard about making sure that I have the right mental attitude that, you know, now that we have a department of war, that means that's true.

You know,

well, you have to be very manly in the department for it's one of the requirements,

you know, none, none of this, um, you know,

men wearing dresses.

I think that's, yeah, no, none of that

fuzzy stuff.

No, no, you know, looking back

here, I just, just a note here.

The presidential physical fitness fitness test was actually started by Dwight Eisenhower.

Yeah.

1956 and then discontinued by Barack Obama in 2012 and then reinstated by Trump in 2017.

Yes, he brought it back.

Yeah, I mean, come on.

You can't you can tell by

looking at him.

I know.

I know.

Okay.

You know, when you consider golf a physical fitness thing, you got problems, man.

Look what it does to you.

This guy is blot moving around the grassy greens of his golf course.

Yikes.

Okay.

Well, hey, let's get to some educational stuff here.

And, uh, and I think this is a, uh, a case in point.

This is the best example we have of conservative education and that's, and it's in Florida.

Where else would it be?

We're talking about the new college that was taken over to the liberal arts college that was taken over by, uh, uh, uh, DeSantis and, uh, it's not going well.

So fill us in.

This is a great story.

You brought the store attention here

Yeah, well, you know, we this has been going on for a while and I did was saying before that, you know, remember Christopher Rufo You know, this was the the the guy I he's gone silent.

I don't know.

I guess maybe he's plotting his next

Yeah,

takeover of something but he really led the charge on this because he had been putting out and saying like hey look these colleges again, you know

really indoctrinating students.

There's woke policies.

There's no education happening.

He

came out against CRT.

He started that whole thing that doesn't even exist in K through 12.

Then he went on to the new school.

Just to set this up.

New College is part of Florida's public higher education system like states have.

So like the University of Wisconsin system, schools, those are public higher education institutions.

And what does that mean?

Well, tax money goes to fund those schools.

And so they targeted New College because New College had its own kind of an identity.

It was a liberal arts

college.

And so, you know, they, there was a special school where students who went there really had a sense of, you know, more of studying the humanities, the arts, more of a trendy or progressive type of school.

And

They targeted that school as an identity, you know the school of you know incredible identity of woke indoctrination was occurring there in so many ways and so this Rufo using DeSantis They actually did a full takeover of the college Got rid of most of the administrators there and installed their own administrators Because this was going to be the shining example of what a

not a conservative bastion of intellectual freedom was going to look like and You know prior let's just set this up prior to the takeover Florida spends about because remember taxpayers help fund public higher education about $10,000 a student Well now that we're a year in new college

The state, the taxpayers of Florida are now funding $140,000 a student.

wait it was it was ten thousand dollars per student a year and now it's a hundred and thirty how much hundred and forty thousand

thirty hundred thirty four

thousand dollars per student i think that's an increase that's it seems like it yeah inflation or what and

with that money the the graduation rate is declining what um which which is interesting so conservatives have all

been very much on the you can't fund away problems

that's right you know

like you know geez these kids are failing they're not graduating and all you Democrats want is more money to fix the problem well 134 thousand dollars a student

And the graduation rate is declining.

And maybe on top of that, more and more students are not choosing to go to the new college.

So enrollment is down.

I don't know.

Is this what you consider a success?

Well,

I wouldn't.

No, it seems like they got some big problems academically.

Well,

I

mean, you know, they're not teaching wokeness anymore.

Well, I'm sure that the legislature in Florida is a little angry.

I mean, spending big bucks on this.

This is not a good thing for them, especially, you know, at that cost $134,000 per student.

Holy jeez.

And set that straight to what that that that's not the tuition that students are being asked to pay to go there, right?

This is the funding support from the state of Florida tax, you know taxpayer money to support the students and so the idea that that amount of money is being

Put forth and really what's happening is saying like we need this money to kind of Keep the support of the the college so that it keeps going now if you read this this is the potential We're talking about an article that was in on in inside higher education I'm kind of looking at this and going oh and so the solution now is to Take the college and make it private

Was that the plan all along?

Yeah.

Was, you know, again, to do away with public higher education, you know, did we create a disaster so that we could now say, look, we're telling you, public higher education doesn't work.

It needs to become private.

Yeah.

I'm reading here, it says 20% of the ranking criteria, according to them,

is broadly suffering from negative reputation among their peers, whose leaders take issue with the conservative agenda the Santas has imposed on colleges and universities.

It says here, this guy has changed the ideology of higher education to say, we're teaching how to think, not what to think.

And we're being peer reviewed by people who think that's absolutely horrendous.

No, not us.

Wow, it's I mean, so this is Yeah, here's an example and going so that you know, I put this out to anybody is this what you would like to see public higher education becoming With the government that entangled into the identities the politics the curriculum Because this is what you get and so hot

Higher education is supposed to be in this form of what we say, you know independent academic freedom Because the pursuit the teaching the the the whole idea of becoming educated is supposed to be free from government intrusion Last I checked that was a very strong conservative principle Freedom from

government intrusion

And it saves money, you know, without government requirements and things like that.

Well, that didn't work out either.

And then of course, you know, they're accusing DeSantis of the, of making this his own project and he's term limited.

So once he's gone, this is in the lap of the legislature at that point, paying these huge, huge tuition, well, not tuition, but costs per student, right?

Yeah.

Yeah.

talking with

Dr. Tim Slecker from Busted Pencils, and we want to move on to another topic that you wanted to mention here, Tim.

I'm having fun talking about this failure by Ron

DeSantis.

Well,

they're calling that a Ponzi scheme, almost.

I mean, they're

likening it to that.

now.

Are they?

Yes.

All right.

Hang on.

Let me go back here.

It's it's they're saying students keep leaving so they have to recruit bigger and bigger cohorts of students and then they say the biggest class ever because they had to backfill all the students who have left.

So yeah, that strategy is not really working.

No, it's not

working.

Well, and yeah, they're they're spending a lot of money recruiting.

The other thing what what they really did was, you know, again, this was a private

Or not private but but a liberal arts college, you

know

a more it's got a trendy type of focus and one of the other things they did is, you know, let's bring in, you know

a lot of men's athletics changed

the flavor of the

college.

Well, that costs a lot of money.

And it doesn't necessarily attract a lot of students because it's kind of like, you want to come play football at new college?

Why?

But the thing is, they could have just started their own.

College and I didn't have to take over a college right take an existing one

Well remember what this was early on too was is that they were trying to say is that this was going to be the the Hillsdale of the south?

Yes,

that's right.

Yes,

you know

this was going to be the Hillsdale College of the south and You know I said maybe though that is the the intentions to take it private and then make it truly You know the the Hillsdale of the south whatever that means.

It's you know, it's it's a mess

It's, to me, it really is.

This is truly, I believe, government intrusion in higher education should be, and going back to a very conservative principle, we should actually all be saying that actually was a pretty good idea to try to keep government intrusion out of the process of what it means to be educating the public.

They're not giving up on meddling with private colleges either.

I believe that

Trump is now requiring a lot of these private colleges to sign an agreement in order to get federal funding at this point.

They just sent this out.

It's a new executive order.

Well, actually, you know, there's the other story.

And if you guys are following that, you know, we've been talking about Harvard, right?

You

know,

Harvard has been the and so it looks like for Harvard potentially to get the money that they're saying there is a deal brewing with another $500 million payout.

I know we're coming to commercial for what?

Well, maybe that's something

else

we should be talking

about.

And we will continue that conversation with Dr. Tim Slecker from Busted Pencils with John and Gordie after

this.

We're

there WMTX 92.7 it's John and Gordy in the morning check us out on civic media app

Choose WMDX and text us or voice notice or even give us a call.

We have Dr. Tim Slacker here from Busted Pencils, our guest each and every Thursday morning.

And we're talking funding, money, money, money.

And it talks.

Yeah.

So what's what is going on with Harvard and their funding?

Well, so so Harvard in to get their funding.

given back to them, um, that, you know, all of the federal funding and grants like that, um, Trump is, is getting, you know, he's the deal maker and, uh, looks like they're very close to a deal, um, with a $500 million Harvard will, um, create trade schools.

Wow.

Yeah.

Trade schools.

Trade schools.

Yes, and I'm actually so what to you know, according to the president and these are his quotes.

He's like, I guess we reached a deal with Harvard today.

So we'll see.

What you have to do is paper it, right?

Linda and quote is what Trump said to Linda McMahon paper.

Yeah, you got to pay for it.

And, you know, because they are

Again, quote, quote, close to finalizing it.

All right.

And it is what they would say the president is describing it as a series of trade schools that would be run by Harvard.

Wow.

So you'd have a

Harvard education being a welder.

Yeah.

Well, or carpenter.

Yeah.

He he said.

They'll be teaching people how to do AI and lots of other things engines lots of things Lots of things Yeah, that's

pretty broad

There's there's so much so you know Harvard is I yeah, you know, it's so I'm a

Harvard educated welder.

Or carpenter.

You were talking

off the air about being an Harvard educated

carpenter.

Yeah, just thinking about what this is going to do on the construction site.

So the tradespeople are going to be showing up in their Harvard sweatshirt, kind of creating a.

All this clicking that's going to now be happening, you know, it's like, there goes a Harvard guy.

And you'd

be

asking the wood, you know, what do you prefer to

be?

Yeah, yeah, well you can you can tell right there that crown molding was done by a Harvard You know and then with that, you know, so the cost of construction, you know, we have 30% of our trades people are Harvard educated

Yeah, I don't know what this that well, but here it is.

You know, this is This kind of you know, Trump saying like look I want you guys to give me $500 million and we'll set up trade schools and if you do what I'm telling you we'll give you your money back So again, you know, what is this this idea of leveraging a deal?

But yeah, I mean, you know, we should put out some feelers to see if we can get the Secretary of Education on to see how the papering is going.

Yeah, that's a

great term.

I never thought

about that.

Is there like a wallpapering event that is going to mark the conclusion or the finality of this deal?

You know, maybe it's a wallpapering of the West Wing.

Yes.

Maybe by, you know, in fact, the Interior Design Trade School

put together by Harvard, we can bring in the Harvard-educated interior design students to paper something.

Well, they've got all that gold now in the Oval Office, and now they get the Harvard designers in there.

That's right.

And they can upgrade the

gold leaf on the paper work.

Yeah, gold leaf wallpaper.

Yeah.

Yeah, those are things.

I gotta I gotta wonder now too that you know parents right there thinking you know boy my my kid was gonna go to the government trade school but you know how do you you know think of the industry now of preparing trades people students to get accepted into the Harvard trade schools you know the the entrance exams and and things that are there you know

Boy, what an opportunity for some people to really say, you know, if you want to get into the Harvard Carpent School of Carpentry, you need to come and do pre-Harvard work with us.

Oh, yes, yes.

Because we can get you ready for their high admissions standards that is going to.

So a carpenter

with like 20 years experience would go on to get a degree at Harvard.

and be a better carpenter after they leave.

I mean, just a

thought is just incredible.

I would love to hear from the trades people running lots of different trade schools.

In fact, I know here in Pennsylvania, the union actually for carpenters has an incredible program of education for

that that trade and I should ask them and go like are you guys threatened now by the Harvard School of Carpentry?

We gotta leave it

there.

Find out for us.

Let's

talk about it next

time.

Love

to hear more of this.

That's Dr. Tim Slecker, fully-ledded education talk on busted pencils.

Check it out on the Civic Media.

website.

Thank you, Tim.

Talk to you next Thursday.

Thanks,

guys.

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Welcome aboard.

Good morning guys.

Good to be with you again.

Yeah so much to get to here

There is a lot to get to you know, let's just kind of talk briefly about the the debate Charlie Kirk

and

And a feminist now I tried to get her name.

I could not find it.

It's on YouTube but the channel is the special relationship It's it's not there that I

was able to find anyway but she did a fantastic job and tomorrow about the same time we'll hear the second half of that where he gets trounced and a little analysis by the special relationship host after that as well.

So anyway that's coming up and truly as Jim you mentioned no one is able to think and talk that fast or

process what she's saying that fast.

Yes, just amazing stuff.

Now we're going to get to the vaccine issue that just kind of blew everybody away and is now becoming normalized.

Let me play a cut here, Jim, before we start.

And this, I think this is the best way to start.

Nancy May cut 200.

Let's listen to this.

All that's coming from the left.

And we have to be honest and tell the truth.

I don't know if you guys have been on social media this morning, but you've got pregnant women recording videos of themselves taking Tylenol, which has now been linked to autism.

And they hate Trump more than they love their babies.

To me, it is so insane on where we are today.

The Democrat Party has some ownership in this, and they need to take responsibility for

This they're denying science.

They're denying there's violence when they're egging it on and we can't get past that until they recognize their role in it

now I know is but bizarre as that statement is the part that I really wanted to highlight was the fact that now this is a truism that Tylenol Causes autism that is the damage that it's doing to society at this point.

What do you think Jim?

Well, I think that you have to worry about how people are in their echo chambers and trying to find things that mimic what they want it to say You know, I think that what the marker is that people are misunderstanding is that when you look at people that are ill during their pregnancy There's certainly an increased risk that their fetus and their child may turn out to have some medical problems

and you know things like Tylenol are things that people take when they're ill.

And so what we're talking about really is the difference between association versus causation.

Did these two things just happen to happen around the same time or did one of them actually cause the other?

And what we now know, you know, after decades of research is that there really doesn't seem to be any evidence that is acetaminophen Tylenol.

specifically causes any kind of birth defects.

It's really when you unpack it, the other illnesses that people are taking that medication for that likely are at least associated with it.

We're still, you know, struggling to try to understand what these neurodevelopmental problems really are caused by.

I think they're probably multifactorial.

you know, one of the things that we've seen out of the Scandinavian data is that there does seem to be a genetic predisposition in certain families and then something else happens during the pregnancy that potentially sets it off.

But there's no evidence at this point, you know, that taking a particular medication is what did it.

I think everybody that deals with infants and babies and pregnancy, you know, certainly acknowledges that less is more and that everybody wants to minimize anything that mothers are

taking unnecessarily, including both illegal and legal substances.

And so, you know, that's really the key part of this is everything in moderation.

But there's no evidence at this point that that acetaminophen or Tylenol is directly dangerous to either the mother or the baby.

So the illness could be the cause of autism, possible cause of autism, right?

or at least contributing.

And again, people have been trying to figure this out for many, many years.

And when it takes this long to figure something out, it usually means that it's multifactorial, that there's lots of different things that have to come together for these kinds of unfortunate outcomes to happen.

And certainly it's worthwhile both understanding how it happens and also trying to figure out what you can do to help these kids live their best lives, but trying to scare people around certain things and then potentially making them suffer

whether it's, you know, the migraines or the headaches or the discomfort of the pain or fevers if they get ill, that that seems unreasonable and unfair.

Well, it seems like what we're doing now is we're just spreading rumors, rhetoric, just, you know, assumptions that aren't true at all.

As we heard from Nancy May saying, you know, that Tylenol causes autism.

I mean, that's probably as simple as it can get on the right.

The messaging

to them, I think, is probably what's dominating the discussion, at least from the mega cult that we have out there.

That's how I'm seeing it.

For her to say that, it seems like everybody else on the right might be also thinking that as well.

And it's a detriment to assuming that maybe medicine can do things that

you know, is just a normal everyday process in our life, provided by doctors.

This kind of discredits everybody, doesn't it, at this point?

Yeah, I mean, I guess I'm not as much of a conspiracy theorist, and I'm not always sure that there's truly nefarious intentions here.

I think a lot of it is truly misinformation.

You

know, as Einstein said, everything should be made as simple as possible, but no simpler.

And, you know, I think there's this

Desire to try to simplify things in a way that unfortunately does people a little bit of a disservice Because you know complicated topics are complicated for a reason and when they try to overly simplify it You know, maybe it makes it easy for them to wrap their brains around it, but they're really not

providing useful information for people.

They're just, you know, so unfortunately scaring people.

Yeah.

Now, I remember RFK Junior recommending taking healthier foods as a way to stave off some of these viruses that are spreading throughout the country now.

And of course, now to fight autism, they have recommended a vitamin.

What's your input on that?

What do you think about that?

Well, I mean good nutrition is always important and I think that it's clear that you know There's a lot of people that don't get adequate and reasonable vitamins.

I mean, that's part of the reason you know during pregnancy You know, I'm not I'm not an obstetrician But you know, it's common to give mothers prenatal vitamins as one of the things you give them just to make sure that they've got all the building blocks To build the best product they can build.

I mean, that's the that's the definition of what a vitamin is

It's

things that we can't synthesize ourselves that we need to get

from another source to make sure that we've got all the building blocks to keep ourselves healthy.

So I certainly wouldn't disparage the idea of a healthy, well-balanced diet that contains vitamins to be healthy for everybody.

But it's a little bit of a delusion to think that it was widespread enough deficiencies that everybody now needs to take mega doses of a particular vitamin to stave these things off.

That's right.

I mean, they're saying that this vitamin will fight off autism.

Now, is there any kind of basis in fact on that?

No, I mean, one of the things we do know is you may have heard of spina bifida and spinal cord defects, you know, and those were found clearly to be related to folate deficiencies.

And so now folic acid, which is a B vitamin, is now given routinely to mothers.

And there's a lot of foods that are supplemented globally to make sure that people get enough folic acid so that the spinal cord and neurologic system develops properly.

So that's been known for many, many years.

The idea that though you can

start taking mega doses after you're already born and having it somehow repair things is a little bit of a stretch.

So, you know, some of these things are sort of based a little bit in plausibility, and then they're sort of taken a little bit to an extreme.

Yep.

Talking with Dr. Jim Conway, he's UW pediatrics professor, and let's get into RFK Junior and bringing back placebo testing, right?

Yeah.

What do we have on that?

I mean,

let's queue up, cut 173 here.

All right, let's take a look at that.

This I think is, I don't know, probably a step backward as far as I can see.

Let's listen.

You know, probably the worst example of malevolent malpractice has been adding all of these new products to the schedule without doing pre-licensing safety studies.

Oh, in 1986, there were 11 vaccines on the schedule.

Today, a compliant child must take between 69 and 92 vaccines to stay in school in some states.

And not one of them has been safety tested in a pre-licensing placebo control trial.

And that is just malpractice.

So the people who are in charge of that are now gone.

And we're going to bring people onto the ACIP panel, not anti-vaxxers.

We're bringing people on who are credentialed scientists, who are highly credentialed physicians, who are going to do evidence-based medicine, who are going to be objective, and who are going to follow the science and make critical public health determinations for our children based upon the best science.

From what I know, Jim, the placebo trials aren't used as often as they have been in the past.

Is that correct?

Well, yeah, I mean, it's unethical to do so.

So when you, you know, this is one of those things, when you start out with something that is a completely new phenomenon and a completely new disease and you have no idea what to do, placebo control makes sense.

In other words, you give something

to somebody and you give nothing to another group.

And that's the way you get started.

But as you then start to make progress, it becomes unethical to give people a placebo.

Let's say you've got leukemia.

We've been treating leukemia for decades.

If you're developing a new treatment for leukemia, are you going to leave somebody with leukemia completely untreated on a placebo while you test a new drug?

Of course not.

You test it against what the standard of care is at that time.

And so as we move forward with new vaccine developments, you give

one group of people, the pre-existing standard of care, and then you give the other group what the new thing is that you're trying to see is this an improvement.

Vaccines only have two questions that you have to answer when you're developing them.

Are they safe and are they effective?

And every single vaccine we have are tested in ways that both determine the safety and the efficacy.

Vaccines are tested in far larger groups of people to make sure you're not missing rare side effects because you're essentially giving things to well people.

to keep them well.

And so when you look at drugs, you know, those are tested in 10 or 15,000 people.

When you look in vaccines, they're tested in 70, 100,000, 150,000 people because we're so intent on making sure that they're safe.

So that's just a complete misunderstanding of the scientific method and the scientific process of science and also disparaging, you know, people that have been vetted were really well trained and well established scientists that really understood the scientific method and

And unfortunately, a lot of them were colleagues of mine that were now dismissed.

But that's a complete delusion to think that we haven't been doing these things in an ethical way to define safety and efficacy.

This is bad advice, in other words.

Yeah, yeah.

I mean, this is going backwards.

You're right.

By decades to say that we would suddenly start depriving one group of people.

with a placebo, something that's been the standard of care for many, many decades.

Well, Jim, there's even one thing that I noticed is that this vitamin that they're giving for autism now is not going through any of these processes at all.

They're just going to experiment on the public by giving them this vitamin to prevent autism to see if it works.

Isn't that amazing?

Can you hold over the commercial

break

here?

We have a few more questions.

All right, we're talking with UW-Pediatrics professor Jim Conway.

We'll come back and we'll have more for you on John and

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All right, our special guest, Jesse Christensen, from Cannabis DNP, and

you've been on

the show once

before, and it...

was a fantastic discussion.

You use science in order to bring us some of the products that you have.

And we have, of course, something going on at the state legislative level that is trying to ban some of the products that you produce and so many other competitors as well.

I mean, this is a huge market in the state at this point.

you and all the others have been accused of exploiting a loophole.

It really wasn't a loophole or anything.

It was just, uh, you know, expanding the business.

No one really looked at it as exploitation or anything like that.

You're just creating a product out there.

Uh, why don't we play, uh, the cut here, uh, from the legislature.

Uh, this is a Linda Brill Sheboygan and she came up with this legislation.

This is channel 3000 covering the story.

Let's listen.

What was it again?

Sorry

was 174.

Okay.

Here we go

At the State Capitol, Republican lawmakers are moving to close a THC loophole by redefining legal hemp.

Right now, hemp-derived products like Delta 8 and THCA, which experts say can have psychoactive effects, are legal.

The proposed bill would stop those products from hitting the market.

Businesses built under the current law could be forced to shut down.

But the bill's lead author argues the industry should have known better.

This market was created because of a loophole, and that was a chance that businesses took

when they open their business.

It would completely handicap an industry that is generating incomes, jobs, rental spaces.

It's foolish.

That was Book Bartels, who's preparing to open a dispensary in Madison.

He says lawmakers should focus on regulation instead of a ban.

He says that outlawing hemp-derived THC could fuel a black market surge.

The bill is still in its early stages and is currently circulating for cosponsorship.

All right, Jesse, what do you think about something like that?

So yeah.

When I listened to this the first time around, it was very confusing to me for the fact that Delta A products, THCA products from the hemp industry has been very beneficial for a lot of the consumers, a lot of the retailers and a lot of the farmers that are being hit right now with unknown tariffs and looking for payouts to help keep them afloat.

This industry is needed.

In 2018, 2022, we had advisory referendums asking Wisconsin voters if we wanted a legalized program.

And each time our votes increased, saying that there was more yeas than nays.

And that took up

more

than half of Wisconsin.

So the voters are speaking, but nobody's really listening.

When they're talking about that, these could be dangerous.

Some can be.

Regulation would be an idea to run as opposed to what's going on right now, but we need to do it smart.

We need to do it with information and evidence and not just...

Isolated events when I was reading the article they brought up the gateway theory which has oh yeah been out of the the science lexicon for since about 2020 10 started in 1950s 1970s, but science has backed up the fact that that is not a real thing a dragon at 67 So when I hear people using terminology like that I can understand that they're using fear and fear is a very strong emotion fear will help

push an agenda and make people vote against what they want.

It's very strong.

The other thing too is these isolated incidences such as the one that was quoted in Stoughton at the pizzeria using THC infused dough and oil for dough.

They got about 85 people sick.

There was no charges pressed.

They just marked it up as an accident.

And that can happen.

It can happen, but it was an isolated event.

It happened in a shared kitchen.

So instead of using isolated events to go for a broad ban on things that would drive people back to a black market or unregulated products, regulation would be the step to go if that's the avenue we're going to take because then we can actually benefit from

packaging, labeling, dosing, extraction processes, things that are safer for our community as opposed to driving it back to the black market or driving people to other states like we did in the past.

Now you mentioned that the public is on board with regulating this, making it safer for everybody.

Correct.

Is there an effort by any of the politicians to get a better bill as opposed to just opposing it or making it illegal and putting all these businesses out of business?

There's people in the capital that are positing a new bill.

For me to speak on that is kind of out of my realm.

If you want more information on things of that nature, the Wisconsin cannabis activists are a wonderful organization.

They know all things

politics, all

things cannabis.

That would be your reference to use if you want more information on what bills are actually in the capital at the moment.

I just can't speak on that part.

All

right.

Well, Jesse, it's good to have you in and check

with me every once in a while.

And again, your business is

Cannabis DNP, Laffy Taffy's, I also go by Dr. Merce.

Okay.

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therapeutic Taffy's.

Day, time, night, time, different profiles and they're absolutely amazing.

And you can find your business online at?

CannabisDNP.com.

D is in doctor and as a nurse, P is in practitioner.

Very good.

It's always good to hear from you.

Always happy

to be here.

All right, Jesse.

Thanks for stopping by.

Thank you.

Tomorrow on the show, Mike McCabe will join us.

That's going to do it for us for today.

Stephanie Miller is coming up next.

John, have a great day.

Well,

I

will listening to Stephanie Miller.

You'll have more of these cuts that you can't wait to hear from the administration.

So

long.

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