From the depths of a digital abyss, where truth drowns in a sea of clickbait and algorithms, a beacon ignites.
From the heart of Badgerland, from our studios on State Street in downtown Madison, Wisconsin, it's John and Gordy on 92.7 WMDX.
WMDX, it's John and Gordy in the morning and we have scrubbed the shell of any wokeness and you know We're really not happy having that point of view projected on this program anymore.
We're thinking that everything is going right and We believe that if we're jumping on that bandwagon, then we should you know grab it by bull horns and ride this bull
into the China shop, learn how to goose step and destroy everything.
What a way to start.
Good morning.
Hey, man.
How are you doing?
Good morning.
I'm just having a nightmare
here.
Well, happy Wednesday.
Rise and shine, shake a leg up an atom.
Here we go again.
It's nice and clear out there this morning, but there are some areas that have some fog here and there.
But I didn't see any.
I
didn't see any driving
in.
But it's really a nice morning.
Yeah, it looks really good on State Street here, a block from the Capitol and we're at 63 degrees highs today in the upper 70s.
I had to
help my space car.
You did.
It was a little confused this morning because the window kept fogging up.
Oh, a lot of condensation on the window drive it in.
and it didn't know whether to have the windshield wipers on or off.
You know, it's automatic sensors.
I'm just,
I
don't know, I'm there to help.
Can you override that?
Is there a way you can communicate that to the vehicle?
You can turn the windshield wiper sensors off, I found, as I was dinking around with the lever.
I don't know, I'm just working on it.
You know, there are little tiny secrets in each and every button.
Well, I'm sure you've read the manual, right?
Oh, I've looked over the manual.
Yeah.
It's, you know, it's as big as an encyclopedia.
So I'm not sure if I'm ever going to get through it or understand every page.
I did watch a video yesterday about
my vehicle.
Yeah,
review of it.
And the guy took it out on the road.
He was using all the buttons on the dash and I thought, oh, that's what that button's for.
Oh, I can do that.
Those are helpful.
Yeah.
It really worked out well.
It's great.
Well, good.
I'm
glad that it's up and running again after it's spent that week in the shop.
It's good to know that you've got it working for a while.
So, yeah.
It's
out of the shop now, Gordy.
I'm glad.
I'm so happy for you.
Those incredibly maintenance-free vehicles.
Mine is out of the shop
now.
Gordy, I gotta ask.
What?
What is your, what car do you own?
Like, what is your car?
I've never seen... I have a Subaru.
Oh, it's a super outback.
Yeah.
Super outback.
It's outback.
No, it's right back.
OK.
All right.
Check it out sometime.
I'll take it for a spin.
Well, you know, it's just a regular old car.
It's got a lot of miles on it.
But it's
been
very dependent.
Yeah, I've got like 165,000 miles on it.
Yeah.
So it's doing well.
Not
going to win.
Looks good.
Looks good.
Well, it's in fairly good shape.
It's starting to get a little beat up here and there.
But you know, it's it's very handy vehicle.
I like it.
I like Subaru's a lot.
Yeah, I like Honda's a lot.
I've had a couple of Honda Accords along the way.
Oh,
yeah, I didn't know that.
Yeah.
Well, that was when I was in Indiana, you know,
yeah I've had kind of a love affair with Toyota and a Honda.
Yeah, I didn't know you had a Honda.
Yeah.
Yeah, Honda van.
Really?
Yeah.
Yeah.
You like those?
Oh, I love that.
That was a great van.
But I had a Toyota Celica way back when I was fascinated by the headlights that flipped up.
And this car had headlights that flipped up.
I thought, wow, that's really high tech.
It's
really cool.
I'm part of the Jetsons generation, and it wasn't a big deal, and that kind of went away.
Did they ever get jammed?
Because you would see those vehicles and there would be one that was flipped up and one down.
Yeah.
I remember seeing those an awful lot.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Let's see.
Let me get to some business
here.
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Sometimes, you know, we put things off and, uh, you know, we need a little more time, a little extra time to make those decisions, right?
Sure.
Sure.
We do.
Yeah.
Oh, it's all good.
I
know.
So,
uh, a little bit later on, we're going to be talking about infectious diseases.
Why?
I can't wait for this discussion.
Uh, talking about measles mainly, because measles have, you know, it's in Wisconsin.
It's made its way into the
state.
And the fact that, you know, RFK junior is going to prevent.
vaccines from proliferating through the society when we need it.
Right.
Yeah.
Well, we're going to talk to Dr. Jim Conway.
He's a UW infectious disease doctor.
You went there yesterday, right, Tommy?
I did, yes.
I posted on social media on John and Gordy's Facebook page.
You can check that out.
But yeah, it was quite difficult trying to get in there.
It took me quite a while.
Did you take your security badges with you?
Identification?
Social security number?
I think they were scared to see me.
They didn't want to let you in.
Is that what happened?
No, you know, so I was like, okay, I'll just go on the outside and just pretend I know what I'm doing.
And I got a few looks.
But overall, it went pretty well.
It just took a while.
just took a long time.
Did you
tell them you were from the media?
I did, I did.
That was your mistake.
And they were like, get out.
Right away.
Just leave.
All right, we'll talk to Dr. Jim Conway in our seven o'clock hour.
And we will reveal the next keyword in our listener appreciation party, your chance to win
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And we'll tell you more about that as we move along.
That sounds like fun.
Yeah, it's going to be my wife to come out there with us and celebrate with the listeners that we have.
And, you know, it's open to the public as well.
It is open to the public, but the VIP passes get you a tour and tour of the distillery and tasting party.
So I
like the fan you have on in here.
It's great.
Do you need a point more in your direction?
Is it okay?
It's perfect.
It's perfect.
Yeah, my eyes are watering.
The wind is so powerful.
The tornado.
I wonder if I think I've turned it all the way up.
I think I might have accidentally turned it all the way up.
No, it's fine.
It's perfect.
Yeah, everything's good.
I think Catherine tried to call and we just completely ignored her.
Oh, no.
What?
Really?
Yeah.
That was... I was too busy yapping.
Thread up there
on her screen.
Well, she should call us back.
Call us back, Catherine, please.
Yeah, we want to know what's going
on.
Well... Okay.
Oh, okay.
Well,
this...
Oh, this is
her.
All right, well, let's go to the phone.
I had this
importantly breaking news, but we can wait on that.
Oh, come on!
You're just babbling.
I just thought, oh, that's a good time to call in and babble, too.
I just want to brag.
I'm gonna
brag.
All right.
Okay, let's
do that.
I'm the best kid.
I have the best kid.
Yeah.
This kid, my child, got home last night by going out to downtown, to wander downtown, and I was worried about it, and I had to go to sleep because I, you know, get up with you guys.
Yeah.
And so she was out all, you know, till like after...
10, 9, 30, something like that.
Tracking.
My ex-husband was tracking her, you know, with my phone.
Anyway, this is really a bad story, but it's not as bad as what you guys are doing.
So, I wake up in the morning at 5.30, like I usually do, and I'm like, wait a second.
My thing says she got home, but she's gone again.
And
it's 5.41 actually, 5.41 exactly.
She went out.
She got up.
She woke up at 5.30 just before me and went out and took pictures of a sunrise.
Oh, isn't that great?
Wow.
I mean, it looks like, who are you?
She's since until 10.30 most days.
Yeah.
But I'll be darned if she, cause I said to her just yesterday, you know, school's coming and you're going to have to reverse your schedule.
So what does she do?
She does it in one night.
Yeah.
Exactly.
That's
a lot.
My
kids do that too.
Yeah.
Yeah.
With
no problem.
when
you get older.
Going out to take a picture of the sunrise is just fantastic.
Are you punishing her now for that?
Or is there
any?
Yes, I am.
I'm picking her
up.
Well, send us the picture.
We'll put it on Facebook.
Yeah.
Oh, well, there you go.
Because you know what made me think of it?
You guys talked about there's not much fog, but that she found the fog on the steamer.
Oh, that's
gorgeous.
I bet
that
was nice.
It's going to be a great photo.
All
right.
Wow.
Looking forward to it.
OK.
Well, it's nice.
I
got
the best kid.
I know.
I got the
best kid.
I know you do.
So you're going to make her a special breakfast this morning?
Yes, I am.
I am making her some sourdough bread.
Sourdough
bread?
French toast?
Yes.
Well, it's tough to make that, isn't it?
You
know, you
push
the lever down and the toast comes up.
Toast.
Just amazing, you know.
You are a fantastic cook.
Thank you, Katherine.
I'm a fantastic cook and my daughter's the
best cook.
All right.
Well, great.
All right.
Thanks for sharing.
All right.
When she's gone.
All
right.
Well, she's gone now.
Okay.
Can't wait to see this picture.
Yeah, see I told you there was some early morning fog.
I didn't see I
also took a late I took a midday photo like I said at the UW health It also took a late night photo at Culver's at 10 p.m.
Last night.
I was in the drive-through and I was like I'm gonna take a cool little flick of the Culver's and see how it goes and There we go now next thing you know six o'clock my stomach is killing me.
Yeah
What did you eat?
At 10 o'clock
at night.
Just a double cheeseburger.
Double cheeseburger with bacon.
Oh, man, oh, you know what I do.
Yeah, I just, I'm trying
to.
That's really intense.
Yeah.
It's not a good idea.
We love Culver's, but yeah, late night, you gotta watch it there.
Yeah.
I remember somebody on X posted a picture.
They took a picture of the busy Culver's restaurant at, I think, 10 or something like that.
And they said, this is why America is out of shape.
What a nasty way to look at things.
Culver's is great food.
They do, yes.
It's excellent.
Okay,
do we have time for would you rather or do we
need to hold it over to the A?
We don't have any time
right now.
You know, maybe we have time for one.
One question.
One question.
Well, we're gonna have to do this really, really quickly.
I think we got time for
both.
The intro is about two minutes.
Especially with that extra reverb.
Yes, we did.
Yeah, this is.
All right.
Okay.
All right.
Okay.
What's the first question?
Would you rather have a Texas have a Texas accent in live in New York or a New York accent in live in Texas?
This one should be okay.
I never want to live in Texas.
Neither would I. That one.
See, look at this.
Look how easy this is.
That was an easy one.
We can do another one.
Do the other
one.
Would you rather never be able to use condiments or have to put a condiment on everything you eat?
All the condiment on everything I eat.
I would do that now.
Yes, I would do that too.
Yeah, I think we're all in agreement
on that.
It's a very Midwest thing.
Yeah, I agree.
All right, there we go, 40 seconds.
Wow, that was amazing.
See, that's tremendous.
We should do that every time.
Now we've got time left over.
There are a lot of listeners that say, yeah, yeah, let's do it that quick next time.
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Where are that high tech around with you?
Yeah, all right.
We got a voice note, can we play this?
Yeah, let's play it.
All right, let's
hear what
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All right.
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We've got another text here.
Doug in St.
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John and Gordy
barbecue sauce, John and Gordy bourbon, John and Gordy ginsu knives.
Well, the ginsu knives.
We're working on those.
Yeah.
Yeah.
We want stainless steel.
We've cut her.
Cut our hands a few times, you know,
demonstrate.
We didn't know they were so sharp.
Right.
Yeah.
There was a few stitches here
and there and we're good as new.
You know, maybe a little preview of what's to come on this program this
morning.
Okay.
All right.
Quite the list.
We'll be hearing a comment, not hearing, I'll be reading a comment from Katanji Brown Jackson a while ago, but I think it's a good thing to revisit.
from what she says, Tesla rather will be, try to keep Elon.
Oh God, I don't understand that one at all.
And we'll be diving into that.
Well, he had a meeting with JD Vance the other day.
Yeah.
Trying to kiss and make up.
Yes.
Yeah.
Okay.
All right.
And get this, we talked about, we talked about butter.
Yeah.
Right.
We
did.
Yes,
Bill Gates
making his own butter.
Yes,
it's a
new kind of butter, but tastes just like butter, using the same chemical ingredients.
Right.
Yes, natural chemical ingredients.
Right.
Is there a follow up to that
story?
Yeah, well, I've got another story here.
This time, billionaire Jeff Bezos, his lab is churning out salmon.
Oh, my.
Really?
Yes.
Fake
salmon?
This is lab-grown salmon.
I wouldn't trust that at all.
Well, I can't wait for this one.
And then, of course, we'll be talking about what everybody's talking about, and that is erasing history in the Smithsonian museums.
How do we get away with that?
Do
we
let this happen?
They had an exhibit about impeachment, right, didn't they?
Yeah, well, they, yes.
Trump off of that, and then they put them back on.
They put them back on,
and
they returned them to the impeachment role, aisle
of the Smithsonian.
Well, yeah, it is part of the history.
Can't just erase stuff like that.
Yes.
And then, of course, we'll hit on some Blue City, Red City issues.
Plus, you know, I've been promising to get to this nudify.
app that are we gonna
get to that today you know we've had a list for a couple of weeks at least maybe a couple of months well
I was hesitant about using it but maybe you know we could at least let people know that this exists hmm all right well wait a minute did you get the app did you try it
I know I have not
done that no
And then, of course, we have a guest later on, and that's Dr. Jim Conway, Madison Professor here at the UW, and he's in the Infectious Disease Department, and he'll be talking about that.
Probably, we'll be talking about measles here in Wisconsin.
Right.
Vax rates, low, high, and probably herd immunity.
What he thinks of herd immunity?
Oh my God.
What's happening on State Street?
Oh my God.
They're getting distracted.
Oh, OK.
I thought somebody might have been hit.
Oh,
really?
But not
the
city truck.
It does look like a body part.
I know.
It does, doesn't it?
He's running back to get it.
They
didn't put up the tailgate, and the leaf blower fell off the truck.
Oh, it looks like it broke, too.
They're picking up the pieces.
No, those are gloves.
Are
they?
Yeah, those are the gloves that they had on the leaf blower.
Well, they're going back
to the-
They're pretty sturdy.
That's a steel leaf blower.
They're pretty good.
Back to the pickup truck to put the pieces back together.
Man, you know.
Kind of took that turn a little fast as he was going on to Fairchild there.
Okay.
They probably don't think anyone's looking at him right now.
We used to have a camera out there.
Do we have the camera anymore?
We had a camera outside the- No, it was just in your right at the window
there, but we use it here in the studio.
Okay.
All right.
Anyway, that's just kind
of a review of what's going on.
Yeah.
And just about 15 minutes.
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I should maybe tell people how to buy car insurance
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I went through this whole debacle myself and I could pass along.
the way to do it and which insurance agency won out.
Some helpful information.
My little competition, yeah.
Okay, very good.
Okay, we'll check in with Pam Yonkey's agricultural food farm report coming up.
All right.
Back with more of John and Gordy on Wednesday after this.
As the 21st century began, human evolution was at a turning point, a dumbing down, until humanity was incapable of solving even its most basic problems.
At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought.
Just when I think you couldn't possibly be any dumber, you go and do something like this.
We can duck and cover.
There's a fallout shelter right there.
There's no way to survive this,
you idiot!
Idiocracy.
For the smartest guy in the world, you're pretty dumb sometimes.
Yeah, tell us about it.
Yeah, wow.
Okay.
No kidding.
You know, they expect us all to be that dumb, you know, from all the things he told us.
What they're going to do, right?
I mean, the new guy in the Fed.
You know, he's basically saying, you know, maybe we shouldn't release these numbers every month.
Maybe we should do it every quarter because, you know, if they go down and they look miserable like this last one when the guy got fired.
Right.
Well, we don't want that to happen again.
Right.
But, you know, he.
He's now going back on it.
After a day, it's nice to know and have that kind of confidence in somebody who is true to his conviction.
Anyway, he changed his mind.
And he has worked at many of these conservative think tanks.
I can't remember what his name is, but he's gonna join the Fed board and he's going to be in there basically looking at the numbers and releasing them.
And of course, no one's gonna believe.
any of the numbers he's releasing.
They might
as well
wait, they might as well wait till a quarter when they readjust everything, right?
Might as well.
Yeah, but it's crazy.
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That's right, now the Supreme Court has given a list of the things that they're gonna pick up in October, I believe, when they come back in a session.
And I just wanna read a decision that,
Katanji Brown Jackson came up with her final one of the season, and I thought it was very apropos.
Something we should all kind of keep in mind as we prepare for more surprising decisions from the Supreme Court that doesn't seem to even think about the Constitution anymore.
Just how do we please Trump?
Anyway, she goes on and she says this.
It is not difficult to predict how this all ends.
Eventually, executive power will become completely uncontainable, and our beloved constitutional republic will be no more.
Okay, well that's pretty uplifting.
Putting it right out
there.
And she also slammed the majority's textualism, which I always thought was just pure ideology.
You know, they always say, oh, I'm a textualist.
I go by the exact words of the Constitution.
And that's something the Federalist push, the Federalist society pushes.
But that is also an ideological point of view.
That's conservative.
It's always been conservative.
And for some reason, the news media keeps their hands off of it and they treat this textualism as something real, something that is in the middle.
It's not.
one side or the other.
Wrong.
It's always been conservative.
It is their point of view.
And she's taken a shot at it here.
She says pure textualism, the refusal to try to understand the text of a statute in the larger context of what Congress sought to achieve, turns the interpretive task into a potent weapon for advancing judicial policy preferences.
So that is what they have done.
They have taken this textualism.
They have twisted it around and made it into whatever they want it to mean.
You know, one of the big decisions that they made was going back in history, taking a look at historical context.
How do we decide what...
what is meant by this part of the Constitution by taking a look at what happened in the past and I always thought well that's a pretty flawed way of looking at anything since a lot of things in the past the decisions were made very badly very bad decisions and we're supposed to go by those bad decisions and say well they did it back then that must mean it's okay today to do that no that's not
exactly the way it should be.
Anyway, they keep changing the goalposts on all of this stuff.
And that's Gantaji Brown Jackson's point of view, leaving us with a very positive note.
Historical note.
Thank
you, Gantaji Brown.
Yes, yes.
Bill Ackman, he's the guy who really kind of spurred on this attack on Harvard University.
He's
a
Harvard grad himself.
And he's accusing everybody of anti-Semitism, right?
Well, let's get to cut 51 here.
He's an appeaser.
He's a Trump appeaser as well.
So let's get to this story.
Bill, I'm just wondering, you're an alumnus.
What should Harvard do where you'd say, OK, to get back in your good graces, what does the university need to do at this point?
Sure.
So
the right thing to do, I should say, the wrong thing to do is receive a letter from the administration and write back saying, we're doing nothing.
In fact, we're going to sue you.
OK, that's what Harvard did.
What Harvard should have done, it should have said President Trump
You make some good points.
Oh, no.
No, don't do that.
You
know, taxpayer money coming to Harvard, Harvard, that's a privilege.
It's not a right.
And, you know, taxpayer money, you know, going to an institution, the institution cannot have massive amounts of administrative bloat, waste, bureaucracy.
We're going to eliminate it.
We're going to hire Alex Partners, a restructuring firm.
We're going to take a 3G zero-based budgeting approach to the way we run our administration, things that are not
Inefficiency is causing harm and we're wasting taxpayer money.
Mr.
President, you're right.
Harvard has become, you know, there is not viewpoint diversity at Harvard.
students are self-censoring their remarks in classrooms.
Faculty are doing the same because people are afraid to have real conversations.
You can't learn.
You go to college to be exposed to a broad array of ideas.
And that's not happening at Harvard.
Free speech is not happening at Harvard.
So you acknowledge the areas where the president is absolutely correct.
Oh, boy.
Well, first of all, he's not correct about anything he lies.
All the time, he doesn't say anything that's truthful.
Second of all, you don't appease this jerk.
All right, this president and then of course They're not having problems with the funding.
They're not having problems Mmm, you know the way they're doing and running Harvard University, right?
Yeah, they're
doing okay.
We haven't read about any of that stuff Nothing's really hit the fan in regards to that all they're complaining about were the protests
on campus and then of course they're against DEI diversity equity and inclusion but insist that we include that's part of the DEI acronym
They want us to include people with opposite views, fearful views.
The views they're afraid to tell other people in the classroom.
They're hiding away in the corner of the classroom because they're afraid the liberals will attack them for saying their
views,
their conservative thoughts.
So, you know, I, like I've said,
It's their problem.
This is their problem.
If they don't want to speak up in class, if they feel like they have to remain silent, maybe it's their ideas.
And if they're afraid to say their ideas in public, then that's their problem.
It isn't our problem.
We're not stopping them.
We're not censoring them.
Although, now with the Smithsonian thing, they want to get rid of woke ideas.
They want to get rid of the wrong ideologies.
What does that mean?
Well, it sounds very, very frightening to say the least.
But anyway, this is Bill Ackman.
And one of these days, at the end of this administration, whenever it
is,
I hope get back to normal, we go back and we take care of these people, all right?
These people, these are appeasers.
These are the people allowed this country to slip into a dictatorship, because we're there now in
three and a half years, man, are we going to be there?
So these are the people that allowed this to happen and they will not be forgotten.
At least that's my point of view on that.
Okay.
All right.
I'm, I'm sticking to it yet.
I just want to
make sure that every story and you're sticking to
it.
Yeah.
Okay.
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All right, now I used a little editing technique here of bleeps.
You like the bleeps.
I like the bleeps.
You got the little whoop.
Yeah, is that cool?
I know.
Where'd you find that?
It's just part of the software.
And I thought, wow, I like this a lot better than
the
normal everyday.
The beep.
Yeah.
So anyway, I used this a lot in
this particular
segment.
Who is this?
I veiled off using this, but I saw this ad for an energy company.
They're called Vattenfall.
and they've got some wind farms out on the water, and they've hired Samuel L. Jackson to be their spokesperson.
Oh, he's got a great voice.
Oh, he has a great voice.
And, and Vattenfall has decided they're an energy company, and they've decided to use Samuel L. Jackson's lines out of snakes on a plane.
Okay.
Okay, I'm trying to get the picture
on this.
Well here, I'll tell you what, I'll just play that line out of snakes on the plane.
Could we play?
This is cut 54, let's listen.
Enough is
enough!
I have had it with these motherfucking snakes on this motherfucking plane!
Everybody step in!
Alright, so they took off on that, they thought, wow, we can use that in our ad to push.
Energy efficiency.
All right.
So here it is.
This is this is the energy company's new ad with Samuel L Jackson by the way playing off of the fact that What do we don't have time yeah, we do got about a minute.
We got about a minute.
What
do you think?
You know what?
I don't think we have enough time Well the cut is about 50
Well,
we had enough time.
But I had to tell, I had to kind of preface this with this comment.
The idea is that Trump is against windmills, you know, the windmills that grind up grain into flour.
He does not like those dotting our landscape.
But they are really turbines.
And he is taking off on that with the snakes on the plane cut.
We're not
going to play it.
We can play it in just a couple of minutes.
All
right.
We will play it next.
It's all good.
We'll get to it.
OK.
It's 648 back with more after this.
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We're trying to be a happy-go-lucky morning show
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Okay, Snake's on the plate.
Yes.
Okay, recap this.
Do we need to recap
a cut short one?
And just hear it again.
All right, let's listen to him.
Okay, this is
Samuel L. Jackson.
Samuel L. Jackson.
Here we go.
Enough is enough.
I have had it with these mother-
Okay,
so everybody remembers
that boy.
That is one of the great lines Movie lines in history.
We all remember okay, so that and fall is an energy company with windmills and turbines and
you know,
they're they're grinding up grain into flour so
Trump doesn't like any of those, any of those windmills out there.
Right.
And so this is taking off on that.
And I congratulate Vattenfall for an original idea like this, using Samuel L. Jackson.
Listen to this.
Mother f***ing windfalls.
Loud, ugly, harmful to nature.
Who says that?
These giants are standing tall against fossil fuels, rising up out of the ocean like a middle finger to CO2.
Deep beneath the waves, they can become artificial reefs, creating habitats for sea life to grow.
These are wind farm seaweed snaps, made with seaweed grown at a bottom farm wind farm.
Sea is going to make shit.
What's it gonna be?
Yeah There you go,
so that's great stuff.
Yeah good marketing there.
Yeah, it is.
It's just the way you say it All right anyway, okay, so that's good a pause of
note on wind farms for good for Samuel Arnold Jackson
Yeah,
we're going along with that.
And eating the seaweed chips from their wind farms.
I wonder what those taste
like.
Sounds...
You know, a lot of people are picking up on those things.
Are they?
They're very popular at Costco.
No kidding.
Yeah.
Right next to my bed, they have... You live
at Costco?
I live there.
They put a stand right up next to my bed.
Oh, they got free samples?
Yeah, stuff.
Check out the seaweed chips.
That's right.
And cakes, you know, people just love,
they're really
thin wafers.
You
could see through them and they look delicious.
And
then you taste them and they taste like fish.
At least, I don't know, maybe I'm just, I just don't have a taste for it.
I don't know what it's like eating fish scales.
All right, here we
go.
There are people that like that stuff.
All right, here we go.
White House officials said they would review the Smithsonian's exhibition text, curation, exhibition planning, and collections, starting with eight museums.
That's all.
Ahead of America's 250th birthday celebration next year, Trump.
Now there's the...
There's the problem right there.
Trump came up with this idea.
He has detailed steps to scrutinize the institution to reflect the president's call to restore truth and sanity to American history.
The guy is not sane.
He wants to put a happy face on everything for the 250th
anniversary.
That's right.
It is a happy face.
It has never been an issue before.
We've never questioned the exhibits at the Smithsonian Institute.
But you know what?
The smartest guy in the world who sits in that capital, he...
He knows what's best and he knows what truth and sanity is all about.
The initial review will focus on eight museums.
Get this, the National Museum of American History, Natural History, African American History and Culture, the American Indian, Air and Space Museum, American Art Museum, the National Portrait Gallery, and the Hirschborn Museum and Sculpture Garden.
Now remember, he wants to make a sculpture garden of his own.
Really?
Weird.
Yeah.
Anyway, museums should begin implementing content corrections where necessary.
And, you know, they've been there for a long time.
People have been angry about the incorrect statements that they had at the museum.
No one has thought
about this ever.
And he wants to replace divisive or ideologically driven language.
with unified, historically accurate, and constructive descriptions.
Amazing stuff, isn't it?
That's good.
And here's the line right here.
This is, it's called, Restoring Truth and Sanity to American History.
And it's going to be directed by J.D.
Vance to... Oh boy.
to remove improper ideology.
It's the improper ideology that has always bothered me.
That ideology
is way off.
That's
really woke.
I can't believe they have this here.
So anyway, let's go to the phones right now.
We've got Dick on the line.
Dick,
what do you got?
We got just less than a minute, Dick.
Go ahead.
Well, authoritarian type thing with Marshall Law declaring it.
Yes.
He's
trying to cultivate tourism.
And I know that sounds crazy, but you know, it's way off now.
See, he wants tours from other countries like that, you know, Turkey and the likes, and then they'll feel at home coming here.
So that's like their
country.
With Humvees and military vehicles all over.
Yeah, that'll be a big
draw.
You know, I feel safer now, just like that taxicab driver in DC said, I feel safer with all these police around.
Really?
That's freedom
to you.
Dick, thanks for that call.
Yeah.
659 news and weather updates coming straight ahead.
We'll be back with more of John and Gordy in the morning.
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We're going to have a showing of Godfather of Green Bay, his film.
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And Kurt, I just want to mention.
Oh, yeah, yeah.
Kurt mentioned that he goes out to Whole Foods and he buys some very, very good sheets of seaweed.
And he says they're very good.
It's called gimme.
Roasted seaweed.
Gimme.
They're big sheets.
And I didn't know this, but they must spray them with avocado oil, which is really good for you.
I mean, it has a lot of healthy fats, antioxidants, and vitamins in it.
That actually sounds good.
Yeah.
Might even
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And it has sea salt.
No kidding, really, you think?
Made out of seaweed, so.
Might as
well use
some sea salt.
That's all I don't have to drain the sea salt from it.
But the thing is,
Do they taste like fish?
Well, Kurt, maybe you can send us another text.
I thought I had some samples that didn't taste like fish, but I don't know.
Just it's something I don't like.
All right, CNN played a clip of Trump from May 7th.
This is a clip from May 7th about the street violence and crime in DC.
And he said it was coming down by 25%.
And he said, also, the safety factor, people are noticing.
Yeah, so that's what he, okay, let's listen to the, this is clip 102, 102, let's listen to this.
This is side by side comparisons, May 7th, and then today.
No, Eddie's very talented.
Crime is down in Washington, D.C., street crime, violent crime by 25%.
and people have seen, they've noticed a big difference.
Our capital city has been overtaken by violent gangs and bloodthirsty criminals roving mobs of wild youth, drugged out maniacs and homeless people, and we're not gonna let it happen anymore, we're not gonna take it.
Okay, that is so... What a contrast.
Oh boy, yeah, this is quite the difference there.
I guess, you know, you can change the story whenever you wanna make a certain point.
Apparently
so.
Here's the theory.
One reason Trump wants to control DC's police is that in the capital city, protest permits run through the police department and the Interior National Park Service.
And if Trump is in control of both of those, he can choke off dissent before it starts.
They won't allow the permits for protesting in Washington, DC.
Now that's just a theory.
But what about manipulated crime data?
All right, that's what they're, this is what the right wing is focusing on right now.
They're thinking that the DC police, some of them are manipulating the crime statistics by when they have these arrests out in the street, they send somebody else out there to say, oh, maybe we can mark, knock this down.
A peg, and just call it a misdemeanor instead of a felony or whatever it is.
They
can change the crime statistics out on the street.
That's what they're at least.
Thinking in all of this the Metropolitan get this now.
This is something chronological I want you to think about okay now You want you got to know that a lot of the police unions are backed by Republicans.
They really love
the police
Yeah, all right, so I don't know if the Metropolitan Police Department in DC is controlled by the unions And right wing but we'll see the Metropolitan Police Department confirmed that Michael Pulliam
His police officer was placed on paid administrative leave in mid-May.
Napoleon, the former commander of the Third District in DC, was told he was under investigation for questionable changes to crime data.
That's interesting, right?
What?
That came after, a week after, he filed a complaint against the executive assistant chief of police, who had Pulliam's wife, Captain Rachel Pulliam, transferred to another department.
Pulliam viewed the order as retaliatory and a misuse of authority.
And they took away his police powers.
This came after you know The idea is that they wanted to punish him by saying that he's manipulating the data, right?
After he complained about the assistant police chief now doesn't that make sense, right?
Yeah
So all of this is internal police politics, probably.
Sounds like it to me.
What we'll see after the current investigation is the truth about all of this, but the right wing is jumping on it before it's determined to be true or not.
They're saying it's true,
of course, right?
Right,
these red cities, you know, they're much better.
I think we should check the red cities that have high crime rates and see if they're manipulating the data or not, all right?
Now, I've got something else here.
This is Mehdi Hasan.
He posted this about his appearance on News Nation, an interview that he did there.
He wrote this, so in discussing crime in DC, the conservative host of News Nation, Leland Vivert, lost it.
when I brought up January 6th and Trump's failure to prevent violent crimes that day, and his refusal to send in the National Guard that day as well.
He cut me off and then ended the interview, and I have a little sample of that.
Let's play Cut 101.
All right.
This is Mehdi Hassan, appearance on News Nation.
Okay.
On January 6th, 2021, you may want
to move on for it.
We all watched police officers in DC being attacked by a Trump supporting mob, 150 injured, 600 people.
Maddie, you're going to sit here.
We know the statistics of
January 6th.
Can't have an
argument.
You can't have an argument about what's happening on the
streets of DC without going back to January 6th.
You won't talk about actually the crime.
If he cared about crime in DC, why did he pardon 600 people who assaulted police officers?
You can't come and make this emotional.
You're talking about
completely different
things.
You cannot talk about this.
It's completely
different things going on.
Why?
What
do you mean I care about crime or I don't?
Where was the National Guard?
Where was the National Guard on January 6, 2021 in D.C.?
That was the most violent day.
The victims of crime matter in D.C.
What about the cops in D.C.?
The only person who died on January
6 with a Trump supporter.
You can't talk about what's happening on
the streets right now.
Let me know when you want me to speak.
No, you can't talk about it.
You cannot talk about this without talking about January 6th or anything else.
You won't have an argument on the merits.
Mehdi, thank you.
Mehdi, thank you.
Mehdi, see you later.
In an outrage.
Talk about an irritating voice.
A lot of fast talking going on.
But anyway, his point, of course, obvious is that Trump didn't do anything when the rights were going on.
Yes.
And he didn't order the National Guard.
He could have, but
he didn't.
So I think Mittie had a very good point.
And I think the host of that program, whatever he is, maybe an autotron of some sort, some android, certainly wasn't making the point that he should have been making at that point.
All right.
Now, I have this cut here.
And I thought this is really important.
No, we don't have it.
Oh, well.
What about the nudify
thing
here?
Oh, the nudify thing?
You want to hear the nudify?
We've been dying here about that.
We've been talking about
it for two weeks.
You don't have time?
Yeah, we have it.
Let's play it.
Okay, this is cut 77.
It's an app that you can make everybody in their videos look nude.
I'm just summing it up.
Let's play it.
Appearance
of teenagers in particular are going to want to hear this next story about a growing and troubling trend.
Artificial intelligence opening new ways to manipulate photos and turn them into online image abuse, abuse of people's images.
One study found 6% of American teenagers have already been targets of
nude, deep fakes.
These are images that look like them.
Good morning.
We found that AI technology is being used to generate deep, fake images of real people that are highly sexualized.
And not only are they easy to use, they're being advertised specifically to men on social media.
Upload a photo, watch anyone naked.
That's what's being sold on so-called Nudify tools, apps and websites that promise to undress anybody, replacing their clothes with a computer-generated naked body.
A CBS News investigation found hundreds of ads promoting deep fake notified tools on meta platforms, including Instagram and Facebook.
Metta said these ads violate their safety rules and took down the ones we flagged.
The effect, I think, really cannot be underestimated.
I have interviewed victim survivors who tell me that this has changed the way they exist, the way they move in the world, people that they trust, so even though the image isn't real.
It still feels very traumatic to the victim.
Today, it's my honor to officially sign the Take It Down Act into law.
Last month, President Trump signed a bill championed by the First Lady that makes publishing intimate images that are real or AI generated without consent of federal crime.
And if a victim asks, tech companies have to take them down.
This morning, the producer on this story is still getting ads for Nudify apps on his feeds.
Meta tell us they're working on this issue, but it's not just a problem for them.
We found Nudify apps on.
Apple's app store and have reached out to them for comment too, but not yet heard back.
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I can't stop looking at it.
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That's a good thing.
Let's go to the phone.
This is Joe.
Joe, what have you got for us?
Good morning, Joe.
God, I got to check that stuff out.
I may be in a much happier mood.
I looked at myself after that app and found reality.
I know.
Which brings it to my point here.
There is someone who used an expression to describe where we are right now, and I thought it was just perfect.
They said we are in an escape velocity from reality.
Escape velocity, you know how?
It's like in the Warner Brothers cartoon.
It's like, whoa, there it goes.
You know in every day is something like that.
I mean if if you really think that the numbers from the Bureau of Labor Statistics are so bad Yeah, why did he have four years of it in his last term and that's That's a great
point.
Yeah,
you know if he really thinks that you know the Washington was in such bad shape as as that previous
clip that you had said, why would you pardon people who were trashing Congress and beating cops with flagpoles if you really felt that way?
And my personal favorite was that guy that you had on earlier who was talking about, we're going to be tackling waste, fraud, and abuse.
How much are we spending on that stupid plane of his that we are
going to end up
with, you know, his beautiful little plane.
So we get that all in shape.
I think that if you just sort of say every day we are, we are departing reality so that he can at one point say Washington's looking great one year later, it's not so great.
So.
Hang on, folks.
Just imagine it's one big Warner Brothers cartoon.
We're
just
kidding.
Escape velocity.
Joe,
thank you.
Let's go to Mark on the line here.
Mark, what do you got for us this morning?
Yeah, Trump wants to rewrite history.
I mean, well, that's what Stalin wanted to do.
Stalin actually, you know, science had to meet with his Stalinistic idea of what science is supposed to be.
So if you didn't conform to his Soviet socialist thought, it was it was bad science and you weren't allowed to do it.
and maybe get executed for trying to pursue actual science.
It's popular for these dictators to destroy history.
Apparently the first emperor of China did that one.
He ordered all the documents prior to his coming in there to be destroyed.
That's 2,000 years ago because China has that paper for
You know, over 2,000 years, they've had paper records like that.
But it is just sad.
I mean, the Aztecs rewrote their own history when they said that, no, we weren't a struggling tribe, you know, profiled before we became the great Aztec nation.
You know, they rewrote it.
So, you know, they link themselves to the gods.
You know, what is next?
Ted Trump is going to claim descendants from Zeus or more likely Mollack because that's what he is.
Mollack,
yeah.
Mollack,
yeah.
All right.
Mark, thank
you for the call.
Thank you.
Yeah.
608-879-8255.
I hope they're taking pictures and saving and preserving a lot of what is being rewritten or deleted from this government.
Yeah.
Let's listen to something here.
I think this is rather interesting.
It's a take.
It's John Dickerson, very straight-arrow reporter.
Right.
And he has this view on the massive tariff tax con.
Let's listen to this.
last May, Treasury Secretary Scott Besson testified before Congress and was asked, who pays tariffs?
Did you remember the question?
I'm not sure you did.
Who pays tariffs?
It's a very
complicated
question.
Most economists think it's straightforward, and U.S.
firms are the ones who pay the import tax to the American government.
They either absorb the cost or pass it on to consumers.
A Federal Reserve Bank of New York study of President Trump's first term tariffs on China found they were, quote, almost completely passed through into U.S.
domestic prices, and that the tariff revenue was a, quote, pure transfer from domestic consumers.
The president says otherwise.
We've taken in billions and billions of dollars in tariffs from China.
This was false in 2019 in his first term when he said it, and it's false now.
Countries don't pay tariffs.
Foreign companies might reduce their export prices to maintain their U.S.
market, but that's not paying tariffs.
And it's not happening much.
Such firms have absorbed only 14 percent of the recent tariff costs.
That's according to a Goldman Sachs report that was out today.
The rest of the cost falls on U.S.
businesses and U.S.
consumers.
American businesses have paid 64% of the tariffs and consumers have covered 22%.
Goldman Sachs says the situation will worsen for consumers.
Soon, they are expected to cover 67 percent of the tariff burden, as companies like Nestle announced that they can no longer absorb the costs.
According to a July estimate from the U.S.
Chamber of Commerce, before Trump's tariffs went into effect on August 7, the combined import tax for America's 236,000 small businesses would amount to $202 billion annually.
That's approximately $856,000 per firm.
Small businesses with less financial cushion are more likely to pass those costs onto consumers.
$2,400 a year per family, according to the Yale Budget Lab.
Tariffs are bringing in record revenue.
And as expected, the data shows Americans and American companies are paying it.
That's right.
And not only that, but now the tariffs that they wanted in China are put off for another 90 days just so
Christmas has lower prices.
They're putting all of the pain off.
Okay.
Good, good plan.
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Let's bring our guest in, Dr. Jim Conway.
He is the UW-Madison Professor of Pediatrics.
Yeah, Professor of Pediatrics.
Jim, welcome to the show.
Good to have you.
Really happy to be here guys.
Thanks for having me.
So one of the reasons we wanted to have you on is we we heard a couple of weeks ago that measles had made its way into Wisconsin.
Do you have any kind of tracking on that?
Do you know is it continuing to spread in in the back
and how did it get
here?
Yeah, great questions.
We kind of figured it was inevitable, given that our immunization rates are a little bit lower than many other states in the country.
And obviously, this outbreak that started in Texas and has been spreading now for almost eight months, it was inevitable that it was going to get here eventually.
It really gets here by people traveling who are under immunized, coming into contact, and then dropping into our beautiful state.
Fortunately, we're still in a monitoring situation, but we haven't seen any secondary cases yet.
So we're keeping our fingers crossed that it's not going to take hold and spread widely here.
Yeah.
So I remember years, you know, when I was a kid, decades ago, I got the measles and I don't know if I had, you know, got an immunization after that, or if I needed one after that, you know, can you, can you give us a little timeline on this?
Because I think a lot of people our age and, you know, the upper age brackets got the measles and it wasn't.
It didn't seem to be that big of a deal.
It was pretty common.
And a lot of those records way back when aren't there anymore.
So I don't know if I
do.
I
need a measles shot.
Do I, you know, what, what can you tell us?
Yeah.
Yeah.
Great question.
So, you know, I think people are so focused on the kids.
I think we need to remember that, you know, most of the transmission as this is moving around the country is actually adults that get into one of these areas, get infected.
It's a disease with a really long incubation period, so people can come back and not even realize that they've got it.
And it is a lot of these adults because I think we need to remember that the MMR vaccine, the measles mumps rubella vaccine, was only routinely recommended for kids starting in 1983.
And then we added a second dose because we realized there was a group of people that needed a second dose.
So we routinely recommended a second dose in 1989.
The vaccine was around in the 70s, but it wasn't universally used.
And so there's a fair number of people that were born in the 50s, 60s, and 70s that kind of snuck in there, didn't get the measles, didn't get the vaccine, or maybe just got one of the older versions of the vaccine, who actually are still vulnerable.
And so for now many years, probably five, six years,
CDC and others have been kind of pushing out reminders to adults that if they are not absolutely certain, better to be safe than sorry and to get a dose of the MMR vaccine.
Now, you know, RFK Jr.
has banned a lot of the mRNA vaccine research that is going on out there.
And now there is, you know,
mRNA is a different way of approaching, you know, giving people vaccines than it is to introduce the actual bacteria or the infectious bacteria that was in our normal everyday vaccines prior to mRNA, right?
Correct.
So, you know, the measles most developed vaccine is actually a pretty old school vaccine.
It's actually live viruses that have been altered and are actually what are we call attenuated.
So they're really wimpy versions.
of those viruses
that
were that version of the vaccine.
People tried, you know, the original vaccine.
We dug out my records.
I'm, you know, kind of close to your guys' ages.
You know, it turned out I got one of these older...
inactivated measles vaccines back in the 60s, which didn't really work that well.
I got mumps when I was a kid and many other my friends did as well.
So this is kind of an old school vaccine and it's still the tried and true.
But you're right, you know, then we've moved for a lot of the vaccines are just kind of killed pieces of the vaccine.
mRNA is the sort of new idea that you can actually
introduce it the way that a body can make those own little pieces on its own and then those are what is used to stimulate the immune system.
So it was basically, you know, those have been in development for 20 years.
Yeah.
Yeah, it's not to try to
be just another advanced.
No, it's not new at all.
But the MMR vaccine is, you know, even though it's got an M in it is old school technology, but you know, it's been around for 50 years, tried and true, really safe and works very, very well.
Now, RFK Junior is trying to focus on more trials, waiting a longer period of time before approving a lot of these vaccines for public use.
Is that a problem?
Is that an excuse to not have the mRNA vaccines developed?
Is that kind of an
excuse?
It may be.
I mean, I think what they're asking for is something reasonable on the surface of it, but is actually unreasonable when you really get into the practicality of it.
And what I mean by that is that when you look at traditional trials for drugs, you have what are called controlled trials with
a
placebo group, where you give some group of people the drug and you give some people a placebo.
It's been determined by ethicists now for many years that if you have a standard of care where people are getting something, depriving people of that something to have a placebo group is just considered unethical.
And so saying now that for COVID vaccines, for instance, that we've been routinely recommending those now for many years by saying that we need to have a placebo-controlled trial where we actually don't give the vaccine to people is depriving them of something that's become the standard of care.
40 years, we've actually had ways of doing trials where we still give people the accepted standard
and
can test new versions of those things.
And you're still comparing apples and apples.
You're just doing it in a way that's ethical and safe.
And so that's, I think, where the devil's in the details that they're, you know, kind of taking it on principle, but they're actually unintentionally or maybe intentionally depriving some people of what would be normally what we'd want them to do.
Yeah, it's a very unethical.
Approach that's how I always thought I never understood how we could have you know People taking a drug and it's just a placebo and allowing them there Whatever they have to progress and get worse and maybe even you know be fatal.
I never understood Yeah, I never
understood No, I know it makes it is challenging But I think when you're starting out with a brand new disease and you don't know what what you're doing You know, it's certainly reasonable to say
you know, we're going to try something because we don't even know if it's safe to do this.
And so that's where like in the very beginning with a brand new disease, when you're trying to tackle it, it is reasonable to start with a placebo.
But once you have something that works, you know, I think the classic examples of samples are
examples are like certain types of cancer, you know, where there was no treatment whatsoever.
In the beginning, it was, let's see what it does by itself.
And then let's try some things and see if they work and if they're safe to do so.
But once you got something that at least works a little bit, then everything after that is incremental improvements and trying to say, what can we do that's better than what we were doing?
And so you keep doing what you were doing.
for one group of people and then you do the new thing for a smaller group of people.
There's something up here on the screen.
FDA may not renew authorization for Pfizer's COVID-19 vaccine for kids under five.
What do you say to that?
Yeah, it's tricky.
You know, these vaccines were initially approved under what we call the emergency use authorization.
So instead of going through the long drawn out clinical trials to get them approved, all the COVID vaccines were initially under the emergency use authorization.
And then gradually they've been
approving them in the more formal sense.
For kids, they haven't yet finished all of that work, and so they're still under that emergency youth authorization.
But if they do this and pull back, that potentially leaves us with nothing for kids, at least for healthy kids.
And so that is something we're going to have to look into more clearly because that's just breaking this morning.
But that potentially does...
leave us with one hand tied behind our back.
Yeah.
Talking to Dr. Jim Conway, he's a UW Madison professor of pediatrics.
Jim, so it's back to school time.
What should parents be thinking about as far as immunizations for kids before they get back in school?
Yeah, this is a great time of year that everybody's sort of on the same page that providers and clinics are all thinking about back to school time and
parents and kids need to be up to date to get their kids into school because we have school entry requirements.
And so this is a great time to make sure you're up to date with everything.
There is a new school entry requirement this year for middle school and high school kids to have a meningococcal meningitis vaccine.
And so there's a bunch of kids that are going to need that to get into school.
But it's a great time to then check where you are.
And I think everybody needs to remember that during the
dark days of the COVID pandemic, you know, the healthcare systems were pretty shut down and a lot of people missed out on all sorts of routine care.
And we're still catching up from that.
And so a lot of people missed out on vaccines during that period.
So this is a great time to
make sure you're caught up with all the things that you may have missed out on then, and also ask for a lot of adults that may have missed out on things, what they might be due for as well.
So this is kind of a great time to think about vaccines.
It's a little bit of a downtime usually for a lot of those other respiratory illnesses that happen in the winter when offices get clogged up with other things.
So I would encourage everybody to sort of take this as an opportunity to take a look at your records and see what you might need.
Well, you know, as they strip away all of these requirements for vaccines, it becomes
more costly to the public who do still want to have those vaccines for their children and for their family, even just as a precautionary use of the vaccine, which, you know, the boosters that we've all been getting, right?
But taking that possibility away from certain age groups then requires them to pay for it and they're expensive.
Yeah, it can.
I mean, it is one of those things that, you know, the devil's in the details, you know, fortunately through the Affordable Care Act, by law, all the vaccines for kids under age 18 have to be covered by insurance
if we
have the vaccines for children program, which actually pays for vaccines for those kids that are on Medicaid or don't have good health insurance.
So at least for people under
age
18, vaccines are essentially
by law have to be covered or are available for
free
so yeah that's you know i think of commitment that everybody's made from a sort of social contract that we do believe
that kids need to go to school, and that's a perfect area for diseases to get transmitted, that we owe it to everybody to keep everybody safe.
So at least for kids, everything's covered.
And then certainly for the older population over 65, we've got Medicare, which also covers vaccines through the Medicare Part D programs.
But you're right, you know, for that group of people 19 to 64, if you don't have good health insurance or uninsured, you know, then you are a little bit up the creek without a paddle.
You know, there are programs through public health to get most
to those people, some of those vaccines, but you're right, it can get tricky and a lot of people have to make some hard decisions.
And unfortunately, sometimes do make the decision to defer their vaccines.
You know, with what's going on now with RFK Jr.
in charge, he is adding a certain amount of uncertainty and the public is now their perception of vaccines is changing.
And I think after three and a half years of this, we may be in real trouble.
A lot of people may be convinced that vaccines aren't useful at all.
What do you say to that?
Yeah.
No, I think that's a really astute observation that I think one of the things that vaccines have always been challenged by is that the goal of vaccines is you give them to people, you hope that nothing happens, that they don't have a side effect.
And then, therefore, you hope that nothing happens, but they don't get the disease.
And so it's this sort of null-null, you're giving people something and hoping nothing happens.
And everybody has some minor side effects or at least things they may have had them.
And so eventually, in people's minds, this becomes a balance of, is it worth it?
And
then when you start undermining credibility and confidence in these things, then people start to make decisions that may put them at risk and makes everybody in society at risk.
So we need to keep reminding people, these things are safe, they're well tested.
And they really are the most important thing that keeps us in our community healthy.
Dr. Jim Conway, thank you for being with us.
We appreciate it.
We'll have you back again.
Thanks guys.
Great work and happy to be here.
All right.
Thank you.
Jim Conway, UW Madison Professor, Professor of Pediatrics.
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All right, I've got something.
It's about three and a half minutes long, but I think it's appropriate.
It's wonderful.
It is a different way to look at American media.
This is India.
And the newscast, I guess, where they spent three and a half minutes skewering us.
So let's listen to this track.
OK.
If only Donald Trump was president in the 20th century, so much could have been avoided.
The First World War, the Second World War, the nuclear arms race, the Cold War, Trump could have prevented all of it.
After all, his surname is C's fire.
We know that all politicians are full of themselves.
They can be arrogant and boastful.
But Trump is one step ahead.
He is shamelessly full of himself.
And we saw an example of that yesterday.
The White House openly demanded a Nobel Peace Prize for Donald Trump.
Listen to this.
The president has now ended conflicts between Thailand and Cambodia, Israel and Iran.
Rwanda in the Democratic Republic of the Congo, India in Pakistan, Serbia in Kosovo, and Egypt in Ethiopia.
It's well past time that President Trump was awarded the Nobel Peace Prize.
I think she missed a few there, like Tom and Jerry, Harry Potter and Voldemort, Batman and the Joker, and Luke Skywalker and Darth Vader.
If you're going to make fake claims, might as well go all in.
It's been a hallmark of Donald Trump.
He claims credit for everything.
What's worse, he wants global recognition for it.
In other words, he wants the Nobel Peace Prize.
But none of them asked for it.
I mean, this is not a reality TV contest.
It's not like you can send an SMS to Norway, nominating Donald Trump.
So let's look at Trump's actions.
We mentioned his bombing record earlier on the show.
Trump has dropped 530 bombs in six months.
Not very peaceful, is it?
To put that in context, his predecessor Joe Biden dropped 555 bombs over his whole presidency for years.
Let's also look at aid cuts.
Trump has cut 80% of America's foreign aid.
That's almost $60 billion of help.
And we are talking about life-saving help, like vaccination campaigns, remote health centers, public health services, and medicine distribution.
What will be the impact of these cuts?
Medical journal Lancet has done some research.
They say the aid cuts could cause 14 million deaths by 2030.
I'll repeat that for you.
14 million deaths due to Trump's aid cut.
And a third of those are children.
Does this sound like a peace laureate to you?
The answer is no.
Someone tell Trump that typing in all caps is not diplomacy, plus it's out of fashion.
Gen Z would be horrified by the all caps.
This is the era of small case.
Thanks to his negotiations with God, the sun rises every day.
Thanks to his mediation, ships can sail on the ocean.
If not for him, gravity would not exist.
Give us a break.
Americans can vote for whoever they want to.
Just don't expect the world to fall in line.
It's not just what he's doing now.
It's what he will do if he wins the prize.
I can guarantee that Trump will sell a Nobel experience at Mar-a-Lago.
You can come, click pictures with the prize and go, just $500.
Chances are he will also sell Nobel themed belt buckles and baseball cards.
Again, just $100 each.
There are two kinds of leaders in this world.
One who leave the world a better place, the other who leave it worse than they found it, and Trump is clearly in category two.
We suggest he take up a new obsession and leave us alone.
In fact, I've got an idea.
There is a country in Africa with vast reserves of rare earth elements.
It's called Wakanda.
If US officials are listening, get Trump on the job, urge him to sign a deal with them.
If anyone can, it's Donald diplomacy, Trump.
That's right.
Wow.
Wakanda.
Of
course,
you know, that's in the Marvel universe.
It's not a real country, so just to let you know.
It was a helpful suggestion.
It's just
very helpful.
That was great.
Keep
it busy on that.
Isn't it fantastic?
She was on it.
Boy,
she spent some time on that one.
That's amazing.
I just love
it.
From the intelligence.
Yeah.
Amazing.
And that's how they see it.
That's how the rest of the world is seeing
us.
Yes.
Oh, my God.
I mean, she put it to
words and she had this, you know, this platform.
Right.
But everybody else is thinking all of this stuff anyway.
So
we are the laughing stock of the world.
Right.
I guess the rest of the world has
Trump
derangement syndrome.
That's it.
That must be it.
Hey, we got to go.
Stephanie Miller is coming up next.
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More stuff happening.
Yeah,
he and Maggie Darn yesterday, we
were
talking about
it.
So we'll definitely talk to Jim.
He's got a lot of topics to bring
up here on the show.
And that's going to do it for us.
Stephanie Miller is coming up next.
John, any final words before we leave the airways for 22 hours?
Well, we're still trying to come up with a few more items in our store if anybody has any ideas.
And I'm just going to request that Kurt, you don't have to send us any more of the... The
Nudify stuff.
Yeah, Nudify stuff because that will keep Catherine busy all day long deleting them.
So please.
But they're good.
You know, it was very funny.
We didn't know what they really looked like or did, but now we
know.
Okay.
That's it.
Have a great day.
So
long.
