Dolls, Tariffs, and Dog Grooming (Hour 2)

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Dolls, Tariffs, and Dog Grooming (Hour 2)

John & Gordy · Mon May 5, 2025

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Take it away, boys.

Maybe the children will have two dolls instead of 30 dolls, but you said some dolls are gonna cost

more.

I don't think a beautiful baby girl needs to have 30 dolls.

I think they can have three dolls or four dolls.

When you say they could have three dolls instead of 30 dolls, I'm just saying they don't need to have 30 dolls.

I can have

three.

It's so nice to have you back where

you belong.

What is it about dolls?

Why is he so hung up on a doll thing?

Maybe, you know, maybe he had to buy 30 dolls.

Maybe he thinks everybody buys 30 dolls for their kids every Christmas maybe or maybe they think that you know the parents and then relatives buy all these dolls for the girls right in the family That's the way it is.

Yeah, I don't know.

I don't know what's wrong here.

This is just really really pathetic, you know,

yeah, it is

It's 46 degrees, partly cloudy skies, highs and lows 60s today.

We'll see a good deal of sunshine, but some clouds at times and maybe a couple of sprinkles

late in

the day.

Maybe think somewhere along the way that kids get Christmas gifts in bulk.

Maybe

that's

it.

Could be.

Yeah, so they have a lot of dollars just in case they break one.

Don't your kids get Christmas gifts in bulk?

You buy everything in Costco.

I know,

everything, yeah.

Well.

You never know.

They might have 30 doll packets now.

Perhaps.

You know, maybe that's, that's what he started here.

Might be the right.

Can we play?

Why don't we play the whole cut there?

Cut 35.

Let's hear that whole segment.

That's

cute.

I love the, uh, hello, Dolly.

That's terrific.

Okay.

That's really nice.

We're going to expand on that.

Let's just get maybe about a minute's worth of that whole interview.

Let's check it

out.

Okay.

This week got a lot of attention.

You were at your cabinet meeting.

You said, quote, I'm going to quote what you said.

Maybe the children will have two dolls instead of 30 dolls.

Yeah.

And maybe the two dolls will cost a couple of bucks more than they would normally.

Sure.

are you saying that your tariffs will cause some prices to go up?

No, I think your tariffs are going to be great for us because it's going to make us rich.

But you said some dolls are going to cost more.

Isn't

that an acknowledgement that some prices will go

up?

I don't think a beautiful baby girl needs that's 11 years old needs to have.

$30.

Who does that they can have three dolls or four dolls?

Because what we were doing with China was just unbelievable We had a trade deficit of hundreds of billions of dollars with China

when you say they could have three dolls instead of $30

and you saying

Americans could cease empty store shelves.

No,

I'm no I'm not saying that I'm just saying they don't need to have $30 I can have three they don't need to have 250 pencils they can have five pencils

What

about

racers?

About balloons what what so it's

okay to have objects beer and store shelves just as long as and everybody's not getting $30 or pencils for that matter unbelievable

Don't know what about the crayons.

I don't know.

Yeah You know for some reason I ended up with thousands and thousands of Crayola colored pencils really and I have no idea how we ended up getting so many of them It's like in that they use one or two a lot and then you buy a whole new packet and we just have

like thousands of those.

By the way, they're great colored

pencils.

Doug is texting us from

St.

Francis this morning.

He says, will we move doll manufacturing back to the US?

Maybe that's the plan.

That's

it.

And then buy 30 dolls for your kid again.

He's focusing on taking toys away from girls.

Yeah, I don't know

why.

What is this?

I have no idea.

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Dick is on the line this morning with a call.

Good

morning,

Dick.

What do you got on your

mind?

He proves on a daily basis that he's far more complex than we ever And I'm gonna ask you something.

I need some help with this.

I really do.

Okay, what party has traditionally just hated Hollywood elites Hollywood everything about it and now He's gonna come to the rescue of Hollywood in the movie industry and put tariffs on foreign

movies

I

mean, that is, that is another huge story.

Another one from the what Ben?

I mean, I mean, back in the fifties, they were after like, you know, Henry Fonda and, and Robert Mitchum and, and, and, and, you know, I'm saying Republicans in general don't like Hollywood elite, Jane Fonda.

Right.

And now he's going to ride in on the horse and save Hollywood.

That's right.

Yeah, he doesn't want, he's going to tariff 100%, I believe.

Hollywood.

Foreign films?

Hollywood Studios going to different countries to film their movies.

Again, I can't imagine James Bond.

not going to another country.

That's what he does.

And you know, they're filming all of this stuff all around the world.

I mean, it's a global industry.

And we're the envy of the world.

Hollywood is the envy of the world.

And having Hollywood go out to these different countries and using their locations is just a fantastic thing.

And now Trump wants to stop that.

He wants to just film here on studio sets, I guess.

That's more original.

That's the way he wants it.

And destroy everything about Hollywood just because he's got this inclination.

Who is this guy?

What is wrong with him, right?

No idea.

Oh, I'm glad you brought that up, Dick.

That's a really good point.

That was one of the big stories we're going to cover this morning.

But we have a different one to cover and that is Governor Evers.

Now last week we played a cut from a web wisdom, this guy who found out about a memo that Governor Evers released to public employees and that's cut 34 on.

We'll listen to that cut 34.

We have some breaking news right now.

Wisconsin Governor Tony Evers has instructed state employees to limit cooperation with ICE officials.

Folks, this is significant and this comes one day after FBI agents arrested a Wisconsin judge over allegedly obstructing an ICE arrest.

So this is the memo that was sent out from the state of Wisconsin Department of Administration to state employees instructing them about how to act if state employees encounter ICE or other federal agents.

at their workplace.

You can read the full memo here, but it's also online.

There are serious concerns after this judge was arrested both in Wisconsin and across the country about ICE agents interrupting official state business.

And while now Governor Evers, who is a Democrat, is stepping up to ensure that ICE does not dictate what happens within the state of Wisconsin.

It'll be curious to see whether or not other states follow suit.

Alright, so that's that's we played that last week

and I couldn't

find the actual story any place, but it turns out to be real Yes, and that's why I played it, but at the same time then Borders are Tom Holman

came out with a very threatening uh uh uh edict for everyone out there listening and that was for governors elected politicians anyone resisting ICE including governor evers okay now governor evers took it seriously and he took it personally and uh he has a uh uh a message

for the state, but we'll get to that in a moment because there's a coalition of advocacy organizations on Saturday that expressed support for evers and they wrote, to threaten our governor over his legal direction is gross overreaction by our federal government and is not occurring in a vacuum.

They continued warning that the administration's rhetoric and actions represent a chilling attempt to normalize fascism.

Now, this is really scary stuff.

This speech, I'm going to play the whole thing because this is really important.

This is Governor Evers, and thank God he is our governor at this point.

But here he is.

Let's listen.

Good morning, Wisconsin.

Governor Tony Evers here.

Speaking to you today as your governor, but also as a concerned American, yesterday as Trump administration official, and not so many words, apparently threatened to arrest me for distributing guidance.

That asked state agency employees to consult with an attorney if federal agents show up at state buildings with legal documents.

The goal of this guidance was simple, to provide clear, consistent instructions to state employees and ensure they have a lawyer to help them comply with all federal and state laws.

Nothing more, nothing less.

But Republicans and their right-wing allies, including Elon Musk,

Light about this guidance, spread misinformation, accuse me of doing things I didn't do or say, and fuel the fake controversy of their own creation.

Now, I'm used to Republicans and the right wing lying about me.

It comes with a job.

But this time, these lies came at a cost.

I haven't broken the law.

I haven't committed a crime.

and I've never encouraged or directed anyone to break any laws or commit any crimes.

But when President Trump's handpicked appointee, Tom Holman, was asked about me in this guidance after he apparently threatened to arrest elected officials across the country, he said, wait till you see what's coming.

Wait till you see what's coming.

Overnight, Republican lawmakers piled on encouraging the Trump administration to arrest me.

showing threats like this should be of concern to every Wisconsinite

and

every American who cares about this country and the values hold here.

We live in the United States of America, folks.

We are a country of laws.

The rule of law matters following the law matters.

In this country, the federal government doesn't get to abuse its power to threaten everyday Americans.

In this country, the federal government doesn't get to arrest American citizens who have not committed a crime.

In this country, we don't threaten to persecute people just because they belong to a different political party.

These threats represent a concerning trajectory in this country.

We now have a federal government that will threaten or arrest an elected official or even everyday American citizens who have broken no laws, committed no crimes, and done nothing wrong.

And as disgusted

as

I am about the continued actions of the Trump administration, I'm not afraid.

I've never once been discouraged from doing the right thing, and I will not start today.

You know, I swore an oath when I took this office to support the Constitution of the United States and the Constitution of the state of Wisconsin, and to faithfully discharge the duties of this office to the best of my ability.

I will never waver from that promise.

I hope and pray every elected and appointed official in this country, including the President of the United States of America, will do the same.

Forward and for Wisconsin always.

There you go.

Tony Evers, Governor of Wisconsin.

Extremely important speech.

I'm surprised the media nationwide hasn't picked up on it.

Again, this is a threat toward a state governor.

Yes.

And it's huge.

This is really big and this is blown up on a proportion simply because a few right-wing radio announcers in Milwaukee brought attention to the judge and then took that and then they managed to expand it to include anyone now, anyone who resists odds.

And they can, they don't have to help.

As a state,

Again, this is not a sanctuary law.

There's no such thing.

It's just that they don't necessarily have to cooperate with them in regards to it.

It's a federal government thing.

And good for Tony

Evers.

Tony Evers coming out on it.

Really strong, really strong message for everybody.

Certainly something to worry about eventually.

Absolutely.

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735, we've got sunshine this morning, a few clouds out there, highs in the low 60s this afternoon.

It's gonna be a gorgeous day.

maybe a sprinkle or two late in the day or early this evening.

And it's time for us to welcome back from Serenity Pet Spa, Liz Johnston.

Good to see you again, Liz.

Good to see you guys.

Good morning.

Thanks for coming in.

The sun is shining this morning.

We're

having

a

good day.

So tell us about Serenity Pet Spa.

We had you in a while back a couple of weeks or so ago, and we really just got started with that.

So for people that don't know about Serenity Pet Spa, give us the overview.

The overview of

serenity.

So we are a grooming salon for mostly dogs.

So we service all dogs, all sizes.

We focus on kind of making it a good experience, a bit of a spa day for the dogs.

So we do kennel free.

for when they're there.

They're not sitting in a crate.

Everyone's not barking at them.

And then we have we have two locations now, a third opening this summer.

Don't have a date yet.

But do you know the location?

You want to mention it yet?

Yeah,

it'll be in the Middleton area.

Yeah, the far west side.

Yeah.

Yep.

So you have Madison West Side on O'Danah Road and then on the east side at East Park Boulevard.

Yep.

Yeah, it's right off American Parkway.

Okay.

Yeah.

Oh, okay.

Yeah.

And how long have you been doing a pet?

So I've been grooming for 20 years professionally, started showing dogs, well, about seven years before that.

So

been

doing my own dogs before that.

And then I've been, I opened Serenity, it was 10 years ago in September.

So yeah, about 10 and a half years.

Now you mentioned you do mostly dogs.

Yeah.

Once in a

while I do a cat, if it's a good cat.

Really, you're very particular about the cats.

They have to make the grade.

Well, if they bite you, you go to the hospital.

Yeah, you don't want that.

So you prefer dogs.

Oh,

yes.

Well, also, a lot of the cats don't like our shop because of the dogs kind of being kennel-free.

So it has to be a cat that will tolerate dogs walking around them.

And most cats are like, I don't want any part

of this.

I consider those very important caveats.

Yes.

So, yeah.

in all the years that you've been in business and you're expanding now, you have other groomers, I assume working with you, it's not a one person operation.

No, I'm just grooming all

the dogs all

day, every

day.

I don't

sleep, my hands fall off.

No,

I

actually have a training program.

So I bring in people who want to learn to groom and they start off kind of learning the basics, the foundations as I like to call them of bathing, how to get a dog clean, how to treat a dog, how to understand their behavior.

Because understanding their behavior is

the biggest part of being a good groomer.

Because if you can't tell if that dog is stressed, uncomfortable, and pain, just overexcited, if it's going to be aggressive, it's not safe to be a groomer for either the groomer or the dog.

So I have my own training program, which is going really well.

What do you do with an unruly dog when they come in?

I mean, is there a way to calm them down?

Yeah, and it really depends on what the issue is because sometimes dogs are just a little bit of like a separation anxiety because they're used to being

with their

owners all the time.

They just need to like decompress.

Some of them have had past experiences where maybe an inexperienced groomer did something that made them uncomfortable or made them scared or some are just a little kind of bullies.

and they don't want to do something, and maybe they got away with it once, so they're like, I can get away with it every time now.

So it really just depends.

You have to understand where that dog's coming from.

It's just like having a toddler.

Like, you have to understand why is that toddler having a tantrum?

Is the toddler hungry?

Is it tired or is it scared?

Is it angry?

You know, so I'm calling kids an it now.

But, you know, it's fine.

We know what you mean.

Yeah.

But, you

know, so you really have to understand that.

And there's plenty of times that we send a dog home without grooming it because

he's not

ready for it that day.

And we set him up with like a rehab program to get comfortable with us with us and build trust.

Well, John has a very active dog.

You should maybe take it in this room.

Yeah,

she doesn't like to be groomed and she doesn't like getting burrs taken out behind her ears and

it's

really irritating me and plus she's a border collie and they have this really nice coat at the back end by their tail and it's long hair but you know we have been able to

Tackle that yeah, it gets all matted out.

Yep.

So yeah, she would be a great a great customer Just too

permissive of a pet parent

We've never had this before, you know?

I mean, we had two border collies before that.

They were fantastic.

We could do anything.

They'd let us do anything.

She is just completely

different.

See, every dog has their own personality and

their

own techniques needed.

Just even my own dogs of the same breed, I have different personalities in each one of them.

So you really have to kind of cater to that.

And one of the biggest mistakes people can make is if their dog doesn't like grooming, they avoid the groomer.

So

all

that does is create more of a stressful situation when ultimately they need to have it done.

So it's nothing but a negative experience.

For dogs that don't like the groomer, I recommend going more often.

Because the

more often

they can go, the easier it is on the groomer, the easier it is on the dog, and the more they start getting used to it.

They're never going to love it, but they can at least be like, okay, this is what happens here.

Nothing really terrible happens.

I know this person, I trust them and like, I'll just, let's just get it over with.

They kind of get that like, let's get over it mentality.

Yeah.

Now, I know when I take the dog to the vet, you know, they're constantly giving her little treats in order to calm her down and relax and become familiarized with her.

And, and then, you know, they're much more acceptable of what's going on.

You don't use treats in order to tempt

them.

I don't use treats mainly because.

you know, we're not dealing with dog one-on-one.

If we were doing the dog one-on-one, I could give it that treats.

Any

time we let treats in the shop, somebody never fails, they steal it.

So when we have dogs that come in that have allergies to certain things and we don't want any dogs going home sick, so we don't really use any treats, we just try to do it mostly on praise and play.

So

they're getting rewarded with play, they're getting rewarded with, you know, attention because we have more time to spend with them than a vet.

A vet kind of needs to make a friend as fast as possible.

Yes.

Where we have the method.

shop a couple hours so we can let them just sort of get to know us a little and get comfortable and get a little praise and attention as their reward.

What kind of special equipment do you use?

I mean everything.

So

much.

Oh my goodness.

I don't want to talk about bill.

So well, actually the most specialized piece of equipment we have is it's called a thera clean machine.

It's a micro bubble system.

And

what it does is it creates microscopic bubbles that go underneath the dog's skin and release any of the allergens

that are

underneath the surface.

So a lot

of

like your shampoos, they just kind of put a bandaid on any skin issues.

And this goes underneath the skin and pushes it out.

So that's

That's like our most specialized piece of equipment we have that most people don't, but it works really good for any of the dogs with major skin issues and arthritis.

We have a lot of old dogs that come in and it's almost like a massage.

It feels really good.

We put our hands in it all the time.

But yeah, it's a really cool little system.

Well, that's cool.

Yeah.

We're talking with Liz Johnston from Serenity Pet Spa.

Now you mentioned a few minutes ago, you have the dogs for a couple of hours, right?

So that's, is that?

Is that the usual

time?

So a lot of shops, I feel like especially in this town, a lot of shops do dogs like straight through.

And

there are situations where that's good for some dogs that they like just kind of a quiet one-on-one thing, either like a mobile groomer or a smaller shop.

We cater more to the dogs that need a little energy to take off.

They need to settle in for a little bit

first.

And so we're able to let them hang out and play.

We give them breaks between every step and just spend a little bit more.

time with the dogs, because I mean, ultimately, that's why we work with dogs is because we like them.

So so they get especially the puppies were like, no, you cannot have your puppy back in an hour.

We want to play with it.

So yeah.

Yeah.

So now if people want to find out more, they can contact you how

Our website is always the best place to start.

It's serenitypetspommadison.com and then you can kind of select your location.

You can reach us directly through there.

Email is always great because our phones ring like crazy and we're busy dealing with dogs.

So we try not to spend time on the phone.

And

I noticed on your website you have a portion here where it says join our team.

You're looking for groomers.

We're always

looking for new

people, especially the new location coming.

So we're always looking for people that want to learn to groom and

Or just want to play with dogs all day and just become bathes because we have some people that I just want to be bathers like and they

don't

really grow you know go past that But we have people we always have spots for people that want to learn to groom and we're always hiring and yep

Added three people last week

or last month.

So

I got a I got a question You sort of alluded to this earlier.

You said you've been professionally grooming for 20 years and showing dogs for seven before that

And I think on your website, it mentioned that you've been in dog grooming competitions.

What is a dog grooming competition look like?

So a dog grooming competition is basically you go into this ring and there's like 40 plus tables in there and they're

all

set up and everyone shows up.

Their dog is clean and bathed and it's combed out, but it's got all this hair growth on it.

So at least like six weeks of hair, which is kind of common rotation for most dogs.

So

enough to make a big difference.

So you show up in the ring and you have to groom it on a time frame.

And then the judge comes through and they comb every single hair and they find everything you miss

because there's always something.

And so they comb through and then they judge you based on how well you groomed the dog to that standard.

But yeah, I know I'm currently number two in the country

right now.

But I haven't been competing a lot this year.

The knee surgery

kind of took me back a

little bit.

But yeah, so I'm currently number two.

And I was on a groomed team USA last year.

We went over to.

Belgium for the World Competition.

No kidding.

I didn't realize this was such

a

big deal.

That's amazing.

Yeah, there were about, I think, 46 countries represented at the World Show.

26 competed, I think, with a team.

So, like, it's a four-person team, and they compete in, like, the different classes, and you get ranked, and it's a whole crazy thing.

So, yeah, it was quite an experience.

Wonderful.

All right.

Well, Liz, thanks for joining us.

And again, if people want to find out more, you go to SerenityPetSpaMadison.com,

right?

That's the one.

All right.

We'll see you again sometime soon.

Absolutely.

I'll be here.

Very good.

That's Liz Johnston from Serenity Pet Spa.

Thanks.

All right.

Yeah, that's wild stuff.

Yeah.

Interesting.

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All right, we've got a few texts here from stuff we've already talked about.

Steve Hunt-Mart Horb says, I need 32 by four studs to complete a project.

Trump thinks that I only need a couple.

Prices have already gone up, and we're talking about, of course, the 30 dolls instead of just two very expensive dolls.

You can build a garage

with

two

studs.

I'm sure you could do it.

Oh, I'm sure you can.

OK.

Yes.

How about Doug in St.

Francis?

I think he sounds a little irritated this morning that

we

seem to be

You know, I'm not taking a lot of this seriously.

Spending air time.

of Trump's doll theory is amusing, but it's a win for Trump creating distraction while his administration is piece by piece dissembling the country.

And he also wrote back again, in the last week, Trump has signed executive orders to end NPR and the endowment for the arts.

This is not a distraction.

So, you

know, he's

kind of frustrated.

I know there's a lot of stuff out there that, you know, he's certainly taken care of his.

his latest budget, which is something I really wanted to focus on, that he was suggesting to the Congress to at least include a lot of his...

ideas into their budget is crazy stuff.

And

I mentioned it earlier that he wants to create not just, you know, people in Americans living paycheck to paycheck, but refugees that want to eventually leave this country.

So that's my theory.

I'm the first one in the nation to have presented

that.

Is that right?

I didn't realize that.

It's amazing.

Okay, 748.

When we come back, we'll wrap up the show.

A few leftovers, a few odds and ends, a few tidbits.

Stay with us for more of John and Gordy in the

morning.

Terrific if you like eating leftovers.

Leftovers.

Leftovers.

I kept the leftovers.

The leftovers.

Just some leftovers.

Leftovers for a week and a half.

He ate those leftovers.

You know the leftovers.

Leftovers.

Enjoy.

Well, I hope you enjoyed.

Some of the stuff is just wacky and crazy.

Some of it's really, really serious.

Let's get to the Hollywood thing.

Brian Stelter reacted to Trump's post saying he wants a 100% tariff on all and any movie coming to the US.

How's that going?

And produced in a foreign land.

You

can't

do it.

He doesn't want to have it.

Yeah, so this is coverage that I found yesterday from Brian Stelter.

Let's listen to this.

Okay.

And he's saying that he wants to authorize the Department of Commerce and the U.S.

trade representative to begin the process of instituting a 100% tariff on any and all movies coming into our country that are produced in foreign lands.

What is this about?

I have a couple questions, but just what's your first reaction to that?

It's unclear how this would be enforced, but it's really interesting on two levels.

Number one, there's something known as runaway production in Hollywood.

This started actually literally in Hollywood when filmmakers would go in other parts of California to make their movies.

Now, runaway production is a global phenomenon.

Filmmakers go to Canada, to Great Britain, to other countries to make their movies because there are tax incentives and there are other reasons why it's more cost-effective.

Location.

So I think Trump is responding to that phenomenon, which is very real.

a big problem for U.S.

entertainment companies.

And I think he's also reacting to China because in recent weeks, China has said that it's going to release fewer U.S.

films in Chinese theaters.

That was one way for China to retaliate against Trump's tariffs.

So Trump here using the American movie industry, trying to say films should be made here in the U.S.

and trying to punish filmmakers who are making films outside the

U.S.

Yeah, it's interesting because you have to think again, we're just trying to kind of sort.

through this, there's a lot of film studios out there right now or producers, directors that are scrambling going, we're supposed to, we're set to film wherever.

Canada, like you

said,

or maybe if it's, you know, you think about Harry Potter shot in Great Britain.

What does it, would it affect them as well?

I mean, those are American made movies by American studios, but they're shot somewhere else.

Yeah.

Right, that's partly what's so interesting about Hollywood.

Hollywood is a foreign export, you know, and every other country wants a version of it, you know.

There's so much envy of the American movie industry, even as the American movie industry is increasingly multinational and happening all around the world.

So Trump is saying the actual production should be in the U.S.

How this would be implemented is unclear.

And I think, you know, it does raise questions about productions that are happening right now, for example.

There have been talk, though, in recent months about tax incentives, other ways to encourage U.S.

production.

What he's trying to do here is punish the outside the U.S.

production as a way to incentivize production at home in the U.S.

You know, you should incentivize, you know, other countries producing their movies here in this country, not doing it the other way around by... Never mind.

Just a, he's an

idiot.

I don't think he's even been to a movie in years.

Now, let's get to a big story, and this is huge.

Go ahead.

Yeah.

Kristen Welker on NBC heard Trump say he has a voter permission to deport immigrants without due process guaranteed by the Fifth Amendment.

Apparently voter permission supersedes any old constitutional mumbo jumbo.

Voter permission.

And besides, there are too many deportees, and that would take forever to prosecute and give due process.

Here's Cut26.

This is Kristen Welker with Trump.

Your secretary of state says everyone who's here, citizens and non-citizens, deserve due process.

Do you agree?

I don't know.

I'm not I'm not I don't know

the Fifth Amendment I don't know it seems it seems It might say that but

you're

talking about that then we'd have to have a million or two million or three million trials

We have

thousands of people that are some murderers and some drug dealers and some of the

worst people

on earth but it's some of the worst most dangerous people on earth

and I was

elected to get them the hell out of here and The courts are holding me from doing it.

Yeah,

but

Even given those numbers that you're talking about, don't you need to uphold the Constitution of the United States as president?

I

don't know.

I have to respond by saying again, I have brilliant lawyers that work for me, and they are going to obviously follow what the Supreme Court said.

What you said is not what I heard the Supreme Court said.

They have a different interpretation.

Lawyers have a different interpretation.

Yeah, there are different little nuances in every possible word you can think of, so I know.

Could you play Cut 27 real quick?

I think we can get this.

This is an immigration lawyer.

Let's play a little part of it anyway.

I'm an immigration attorney and just the blatant disregard that this administration has had for very clear court orders has been absolutely terrifying.

What's your take on the president invoking the Alien Enemies Act of 1798?

When you

look at the history of the times, we've used that law in our country.

and it's not exactly, you know, a gleaming point in our history.

Why is it important to protect people that do have a legal status, even if they did come into this country illegally?

If one person doesn't have due process, none of us do.

Under the Constitution, everybody has due process, not just citizens.

So it's not as if, you know, citizens are in our own special category.

Like, no, it is due process for all.

So due process for losing it for one person means that it's at risk for every single one of us.

Yeah, yeah.

So

there you have

it.

Yeah,

I don't know.

It

seems

like it's pretty troublesome.

I mean, you have to deal with

that.

But you know,

there's

so many people

that have to be deported.

It's

just ridiculous.

You know, there are just a few maybe criminals out of all of them, tens of thousands.

They want a bunch of innocent people out of here, too.

Yeah.

Yeah, innocent

people.

But, you know, due process would discover those innocent people and we don't want to take all that time.

That's too much time.

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