Not yet.
No, I'm not ready.
You're not ready?
You're gonna have to do the show alone.
Oh, great.
I can't find my shoes.
Wonderful.
Oh,
well, good morning to you.
You got a little rain out there this
morning.
Yeah, we do.
Some showers moving through, a little fog, apparently, in some low-lying areas.
Yeah.
Watch out for that.
And...
It's gonna be a cloudy day.
Good morning.
Happy Thursdays.
John Peterson, Gordy Young, along with producer Sam, flipping the switches and pushing the buttons.
Are
you ready yet?
Are you ready to start?
I don't know if I'm really ready today.
I might be a little disheveled, but
might have driven into work with my parking lights on.
instead of the headlights.
Really?
Were people flashing from the other way?
No, I'm freaking out now.
No one let me know that I didn't have my lights on.
I think I didn't have my lights on.
I don't know if I had my lights
on.
This is what you're worried about.
Are you worried about that?
Well, yeah.
You know, I got into the parking lot here and, you know, I'm gonna turn the lights off, right?
And I realized that
was just the parking lights.
The
wondering if I had done that just inadvertently, reaching for my phone, which is right next to the blinker switch.
And I just thought, oh, maybe I turned it off just momentarily before I got to the parking ramp.
It's gotta be tough being you, right?
So, you know, I apologize to anybody.
I might have cut off the where they didn't see me, you know, the phantom driver out there on the road.
Well, you made it here.
Okay.
I don't know why Toyota made this this this thing where the dash goes on no matter what.
So it fakes you out.
You think you might have the light?
You know when you turn your lights on, the dashboard lights
go on.
John, do you just need to get your eyes checked?
Because I feel like you'd be able to tell whether your lights are on or not outside of the car.
No, no.
No, no, no, no.
They don't make, the headlights very well.
Seriously.
You don't like them.
No, I don't think my headlights do a very good job.
And one of them, the right side light, I don't think really works very well.
I think it's all foggy or something, but I'm not really sure.
I don't know how to tell whether it's good or bad.
You need to get a police spotlight to have next to your dashboard.
Well, I could.
You know that?
That would be the thing to do.
I really wanted to get bright headlights.
Yeah, and I just replaced him about three four months ago and I asked I want I want really bright headlights I don't want those yellow lights anymore I want the bright ones and he goes here's the bright ones right here.
You love these, you know No, there's still the yellow ones and I'm mad that I have and I'm stuck with those damn things I want to get the blue ones
I hate it when I'm driving down the road and somebody with those blue headlights like comes past me though because it just
Absolutely blinds me.
I can't see what I'm doing.
Well, my car could use a little more light.
I feel like I'm
just
out there.
Everything's about you,
John.
Where did you go to get your new headlights?
You go to your authorized Toyota dealer, or did you go to, like, AutoZone
or something?
AutoZone.
Okay.
I went to AutoZone.
And I asked the guy, I said, I really want bright headlights.
Right.
I can't see anything at night.
You know, I'm driving out there in the middle of nowhere, in the middle of the night, especially, you know, in winter when it's dark so soon.
And I do this for the Census Bureau, so I'm just driving out there and I can't see anything.
And I
want bright lights.
I think you need to get your eyes checked with Sam on this.
I think it's your eyes.
That must be it.
I think the headlights are fine.
No, they aren't.
I see everybody else's headlights just fine.
You should go for a ride.
I tried my Beetle at night.
It's so, so strange.
A car from over 50 years ago, in every vehicle I've ever driven, has the best lights.
Really?
Yeah.
I wouldn't doubt it.
I think mine are aimed incorrectly.
You don't aim the headlights anymore.
They're all stationary.
They're fixed.
Why, did you hit a deer or something?
They're not a
whack?
No,
they're not out of
whack.
You can't get them out of whack.
They're fixed.
Set in there.
You don't aim them anymore.
That
must be true on newer cars
because I can still aim mine Yeah,
they finally got it right.
Yeah, it was okay, but you can't do that.
That's maybe the problem.
Yeah Okay,
it's 34 degrees currently you want to check your Samsung WM DX wrist what?
Oh, no.
What?
You forgot.
I
forgot it.
You forgot it.
I forgot to put
it down.
Well, what are we going to do?
I guess we'll just have to rely
on the old standby.
Yeah, look at the WMDX thermometer out the WMDX window.
Yeah, well,
it
does say 34 degrees.
But what's the afternoon high?
That's what everybody wants to know, you know, because they're on the edge of their chairs.
So what are we, what are we going to use today?
What haven't we used for a while?
The whole about the bar dice.
Okay,
you have the bar
dice.
Oh,
bar bar bar dice.
slam it down.
Yeah.
Okay.
It's a four and a five 45 or it could be 54.
We don't know their bar dice, right?
Which one's the first number?
It's a toss up.
Maybe this
is I think it's 45 for the
high temperature 45 is the
Hi, and we'll talk to WMDX meteorologist Brittany Merleau a little while.
Let's take some calls from our weather spotters out there.
A lot of people have their own thermometers.
Are John and Gordy weather spotters?
OK.
And they have, I know, that they probably picked up someplace the John and Gordy weather thermometers.
We're getting
those out
there.
We're clearing
those out.
Available at
Ace Hardware and other hardware stores.
608-879-8255 is our phone number.
608-879-8255.
You almost spit up.
8-7-9,
8-2-5-4.
You going
to be OK?
It's one of those ideas we didn't spitball.
Maybe we should have thought about that
one.
Okay.
It's time for the National Day Calendar.
Oh, by the way, tonight we're going to be on Pete Schwab's show.
Yeah.
Reminders.
That's right.
I don't know what we're picking a movie.
We're picking
our favorite, yes, popcorn pick our favorite movie.
Yeah.
Okay.
Do we have to have a consensus on that?
Is it our
favorite movie?
Like,
you're
gonna have one and I'll
have one.
Yours and mine.
Okay,
good.
I have a bunch
of
mine.
Yeah,
I do too.
It's gonna be just like your old movie show at Fox 47.
Oh, yeah, exactly.
It'll be
a throwback.
Okay, now it's time for the National Day calendar.
Well,
what is
it?
What is it or is it not?
Is it National Erase Self Negativity Day?
National Farm Animals Day?
National Cinnamon Crescent Day, National Siblings Day, National Encourage a Young Writer Day, or National Keep Music in the Schools Day.
What day is it not?
It's not the sibling day.
Well, you're wrong.
It is National Siblings Day.
Yep.
Sam, would you care to guess?
Were you paying attention or did you nod
off?
Well, keep what in the schools day was the one that you said?
National
Keep Music.
Keep music in the school's day.
It's not keep music in the school's day.
Who needs music in school's day?
You are correct.
Oh, wow.
It's
not national keep music
in the school's day, although
you think that ought to be every day.
I
agree.
You know?
Yeah.
It's a tough, tough way to go.
I
was trying to get my eyes out of the cavern.
She's a classical violinist.
I know.
Oh yeah.
Did you steal her coffee mug again?
No,
I didn't see it in the cabinet.
She must be hiding
it.
She came in in a huff and took it off
of your desk.
She's really pissed off.
You're on the list.
You did
it twice, two days in a row, and that's
not good.
a power vacuum, and I took power.
And then she took power back.
That shows you just how quickly dictators can fall.
Wow.
Okay.
There you go.
That's a lesson right
there.
Interesting.
All right.
Well, let's see.
National, what we start out with, National Race Self Negativity Day.
Do we really need to go through that?
I think the title says it all.
It shouldn't be negative.
You
know, move on with your life.
National Farm Animals Day.
Okay.
Each year on April 10th, National Farm Animals Day focuses attention on the humane care of farm animals.
The day also aims to find homes for abandoned and abused farm animals.
Variety of animals have been domesticated and raised on farms for food.
They provide eggs, milk, cheese, meat, wool, leather and other products.
Should we call Pam Yankee on this
and see
what she, I think she'd be all
in on this.
We should know more about
that.
Most farmers raise their livestock responsibly, providing a quality environment for them to grow benefits, grow benefits for the animal and the farmer too.
So, you know, be kind to your farm animals.
All right.
Yeah, that's just a reminder.
Sounds kinky.
All right, I'm gonna.
We got a text from Catherine.
She says, I'm hiding my mug in my desk, you little power thief.
no!
Oh, God.
The challenge is there.
Oh, boy.
And now, you know, Mark, out in the sack, has a little tip.
He said, I had cataract surgery.
I see much better at night as well.
And compared to the other surgeries I've had over the past five years, those were a piece of cake.
I agree.
I also had that.
Didn't you really?
The adjustable lenses, yeah.
I didn't know that.
The whole thing.
I unfortunately got them before they took care of astigmatism.
Now they take care of that, but I don't have those in my lenses.
But you can't keep changing the lenses in your eyeball.
No, it's not recommended.
It's National Cinnamon Crescent Day.
Okay, do you like cinnamon crescents?
Let's get some
cinnamon crescents.
I'm going free of flowery sugar.
Sugary stuff.
Yeah for the next month or so.
Yeah, why why are you doing that?
I'm gaining weight you can tell you know,
I'm like, you know Massive that WMDX John and Gordy t-shirt not fitting you as well as it used to huh?
What does your t-shirt say
that go to directly to jail?
Don't don't pass Mar-a-largo
Do not collect parties.
It's like a monopoly drawing of Donald Trump being dragged off to monopoly jail.
That's pretty cool.
Have you
worn that before?
I just never noticed.
Yeah.
Okay.
That's nice.
It's National Young Writers Day.
You
know, I know your wife Ann is a writer.
Does she encourage the boys to be writers?
This is what National Encourage a Young Writers Day is all about.
She has not done that.
Okay.
Well, it might be a
day to start that.
They have
different.
They have different
interests.
Do they?
Yeah.
They're not getting into the writing part of it.
Okay.
All right.
Well, when we come back, Sam will be looking at the history book.
Oh, you're
going to crack that open?
We just can't wait
for that.
And
we'll take a look at birthdays too.
It's all happening on John and Gordy
in the
morning.
Stay with us.
you
WMDX 92.7,
John and Gordy in the morning.
It's
6.21, it's cloudy, kind of foggy, some rain, and...
It's going to stay cloudy.
Highs around 45 today.
Well, we've got a
banana song.
Something must be happening in history that we would play the banana song
for some reason.
I should have made banana bread for this occasion.
You should
have.
Oh, yes.
Yes.
You do make an excellent banana bread, I gotta
say.
Yeah, it's not really bread-like.
It's more like cake.
I'm pretty sure
it's a recipe that my grandma found in a magazine probably 60 years ago.
Well, it doesn't take much.
I mean,
it's a very
simple
recipe.
Is
it?
Banana bread, yeah.
You get a bunch of bananas and flour and sugar.
Something like that something like what it's what is
it?
It's like a cake with bananas in it.
That's
pretty
much it On the
recipe card.
It's called banana cake not banana bread
really well Yeah, you do make a cake version of it
if you put it if you put it in like a square pan It looks more like a cake, but if you put it in bread tins like I do then it
Become a banana bread and if you call it bread then you feel less bad about eating a ton of it, right?
Exactly.
It's not cake.
It's bread.
Yeah, that's right
Well, why are we talking about bananas anyway?
What today
1633 we have the first example in the historical record of Bananas being sold probably in Europe, but for sure in London bananas sold for the first time in London 1633
Wow.
It's
been
a
fun day there.
Yes.
You know, they keep warning us that bananas are not going to be around for much longer.
Go
extinct?
Yeah, because they don't have seeds.
I haven't understood any of that.
Right,
because you don't propagate them with seeds.
If you want to make a new banana tree, you got to basically make a cutting off of the old one.
So if you have like a pest or something that attacks one banana tree, it's going to attack all of
them.
All of them,
yeah.
Very, very easily.
Yeah.
Well, this is the first I've heard that there's trouble in the banana world.
Oh, yes.
Yes.
It's horrible.
It's horrific.
But maybe even when you were a kid, I'm not sure if they still had these kinds of bananas.
But the bananas that we eat today are not the same that they ate 100 years ago.
That's true.
It's a different
variety.
Yes.
Oh, really?
Yeah.
Yeah.
No idea.
Hence the name of the song.
Yes, we have no bananas.
I guess so.
OK.
That makes perfect sense.
All right.
Next, they tasted more like bananas back then.
Like
banana flavoring, yeah.
Well, I figured we were all... Even more like banana flavoring doesn't taste like bananas.
Don't they grow bananas at the Banana Republic?
Where's that place?
They should have plenty of bananas.
No, we are a banana republic.
Oh, that's
right.
Yeah, but that's interesting.
They have to find a way to make these trees, these banana trees, a little more...
You know, more of them.
Yes.
I've kind of stumped on that one.
Well, they seem to be doing all right.
You
don't got to pay $50 for a banana.
That's right.
And it's so nice that they don't have seeds.
You know, pomegranates, I hate those things.
Well,
it's all seeds.
It's all seeds.
Yeah, but you eat the seeds.
I don't understand.
You
chew on it and then you like get the juice out of it and then you swallow it.
It's like, I don't know, eating sort of like a sunflower seed or something.
God.
All
right.
Okay.
Anything else in the history book?
Yeah, we've got a few things here.
We got more
than
that.
Today in 1849, the safety pin was invented.
What would we
do
without
safety pins?
Well,
we know
now what we're going to do without safety pins.
No one uses safety pins anymore for anything.
What do you use instead?
What do you mean?
Are you saying like Velcro or zippers
or something like that?
I don't think anybody uses safety pins for anything.
Can't think of anything.
Today
in 1872, the very first Arbor Day was celebrated in Nebraska.
It was founded
there.
Today in 1912, Titanic, famous ship, embarked on her maiden voyage, ill-fated maiden
voyage.
It sank like four days later.
Today in 1986 was the most recent appearance of Haley's Comet.
Did you guys see that when that happened?
Uh, no.
You didn't care enough to see it?
No.
Aw, man.
Didn't seem like a big deal.
Well, it only comes every, like, 75 years
or so.
Something like that, yeah.
So you're never
gonna see it again?
You didn't, like...
No, I missed it.
I think, uh, I think I was for it.
I don't remember seeing it though.
It was a cloudy day.
Yeah, well, before I had my cataracts.
All right.
Taking off.
All
right.
Birthdays?
Yeah, we got a couple birthdays here.
Uh, Joseph Pulitzer, um...
famous newspaper man named, or the Pulitzer Prize named after him.
He was born today in 1847 and John Madden, the famous football player
coach.
All that.
How soon everybody forgets about John Madden.
I know.
He was a character.
He was a real
character.
Yeah.
Loved him.
Do we want to go to the phone?
Sure.
Matt is on the line.
Matt is on the line.
608-879-8255.
Good morning, Matt.
Hi, Matt.
What's happening?
Good morning, guys.
I want to ask you, I've never heard of any story in fiction where bringing millions of robots into the world turned out well.
I think there was one where an old guy had a robot as a companion.
It helps with loneliness.
That's like the only thing.
I think that was Robot and Frank or something.
Who wants these Tesla bots?
Does anyone feel okay with that in your house?
Like doing stuff?
I don't know.
Well, especially with Doge getting into our personal information, right?
They have us all on record now.
Everything we've ever done.
But who's going to have any income when the robots are doing all the jobs?
Right?
Well, we know what we know what happened in Blade Runner.
You know what happened in Terminator?
Yeah,
I guess we don't have enough warnings out there
You're
right there's been there's never been a good use of robots in the movies no always take over
and then things go downhill Well, we've been getting red flags and warnings in movies for years.
So robots are not a good thing to have around
No, did you see Kim Kardashian went viral like a while back?
She was one of the first people to buy one of these Tesla bots.
And
she just had it in her backyard treating it like a dog, you know, doing tricks.
And I'm just thinking like, so you spent however much it cost just to have another pet, basically a place thing?
I mean, it's
definitely going to turn on
her, right?
Yeah, it's eventually going to learn so much that it'll turn on you.
Maybe it'll get a big butt eventually.
Oh, maybe.
Well, you know, everybody should pick up the Johnny and Gordy tool kit with these small nuts in it to
adjust those robots.
little screwdriver.
Yeah, we gotta have
that.
We're working on it.
Okay, 629 coming up right around the corner.
Idiocracy a little bit later on.
We've got another pair of tickets to Peter Frampton.
So stay with
us.
This portion of the show is being brought to you by Ed's Decoffeinated Cafe, for people who like feeling nervous and wide awake, but hate running to the
bathroom all the time.
This is Johnny Gordy's show, WMDX, and a good morning to everybody.
Kind of a rainy morning here in Madison,
the capital city.
Yep, we're 34 degrees, highs in the mid 40s, a little bit of fog out there in some of the outlying areas, low lining areas.
So watch out for that.
It'll burn off of it.
Oh, wait.
It'll burn off.
You're right.
I was waiting for you to say that.
Oh, yeah.
Because fog doesn't
burn.
It does burn.
It fizzles.
I've tried it.
It fizzles the
atmosphere.
I have tried
it.
It
doesn't work.
OK, man.
All right, all right.
Well, it's time once again to visit Busted Pencils and we have Tim Slecker online and what we want to talk about this time is another idea from Ryan Walters out there in Oklahoma.
Education
is what it's all about.
I thought you were going to talk about the incredible sun that's highlighting my face right now.
If you're watching us on YouTube or Facebook.
Yeah, you want to talk about burning off fog.
obviously come into where I'm sitting here.
I, Ryan, I, man, what would we do with this guy is he is just a go getter.
I mean, it's the gift that keeps on giving constantly, you know, out there pushing boundaries, you know, advocating for
himself, you know, really kind of saying like, Hey, President Trump, when notice me, when McMahon, you know, is has been body slammed and suplexed enough.
I am ready.
I am ready to step in.
Well, he has been out there pushing this thing for a long time.
I mean, I think the most egregious attempt to get Trump's attention was to buy the Trump Bibles.
for all of the schools.
Every classmate would have a Trump Bible.
That was over to top.
That was over the top.
And it made me think though too, like when I was a classroom teacher, I was wondering about this in Oklahoma, like whenever we wanted to buy, you know, something for our room, right?
Something to help teach.
You know, we always had to go through like a catalog that specifically listed everything So I'm just wondering, you know, if maybe the Trump Bible comes out of a special, you know, Oklahoma schools catalog And you know, maybe maybe Ryan didn't because the other thing with those catalogs is we had no other choice like if I you know, if I wanted paper clips I couldn't go down the staples and buy them.
We had to buy them out of the cat
You know so maybe Ryan was you know stuck in the only Bible he could purchase exactly was in the approved Trump catalog
Well, we could try to make excuses
for him.
But this one, but this one, Oklahoma includes the 2020 election denial in social studies standards now.
This is just pretty insane.
I have a clip here from the TV station, KOCO 5 News, their coverage of it.
Now, why don't we hear what they had to say about it in their coverage?
Let's listen to this.
This
is
cut 114.
114.
Here we go.
All right.
Give me one sec.
All right.
Ryan Walters,
the Oklahoma Superintendent of Public Instruction.
That's right.
Big
idea.
The idea
guy.
Let's listen.
Yeah.
Here
we go.
Claims of discrepancies in the 2020 election.
That was one of the quiet changes made to Oklahoma's social studies standards that were sent to the legislature to be approved.
KSEO's Evan Onstad joining us now talking about these revisions, Evan, that could be taught in our classrooms.
And the one you just mentioned there was just one of the changes made to Oklahoma's social studies standards.
It's a lot.
I'm going to break it down.
Pay attention.
In December, in December, the State Board of Education
review the new standards, something it does every six years.
And in December, those standards included examining issues related to the election of 2020 and its outcomes.
They also mentioned teaching about the Black Lives Matter movement, former President Joe Biden's bipartisan infrastructure bill, and efforts to recover economically after COVID.
But we've learned that by the time we got to the February meeting, those standards had been changed.
Now it says social studies teachers should quote, identify discrepancies in the 2020 election
results,
including ballot counting being stopped in battleground states, the risk to mail in ballots and sudden batch dumps.
And we should note at this point that there has been no evidence of widespread voter fraud in the 2020 election.
The revised standards, these are the standards that they voted on and passed.
also removed those mentions of the Black Lives Matter movement, removed the mentions of Biden's infrastructure bill and any post-COVID economic recovery efforts.
And this is important here.
The revision process, it was discussed in the slideshow during the State Board of Education meeting.
But those specific changes were never mentioned in the meeting.
There were three brand new board members at that meeting and one of them admitted at the time to not having the time or opportunity to review what it was they were voting on.
Is there a way to get this ahead of time where the board has more time to do it?
Or is that just on us to go online and try to find them when we know it's
being done?
Well,
I will say you guys were appointed here pretty recently.
So, you know, the governor decided to put you guys on this board on a very short timeline.
This has been something that's been going on for nearly 10 months here.
The board member that you just heard from, he actually voted for it.
He said that he did have some time to see about it.
Ryan Deathridge, the only one to vote against the standards, he said that he did not have time.
It passed six to one, by the way.
The state and legislature still has to approve these before they go into effect.
Back to you.
All right, there you go, Tim.
That's
coverage.
A lot of little things that we didn't know.
A little cleansing of history,
and then of
course...
putting in the denialism, that was
wonderful.
Okay, look, the things that are facts, can you get those out?
Because we need room for the conspiracy, you know, discrepancies of which the facts show there was no voter tampering interference in there.
Okay, there's no evidence of discrepancies.
but let's insert the discrepancies and please let's get rid of all of those factual items.
That's right, yes.
I like this associate director of research at the Thomas B. Fordham Institute of Conservative Education think tank David Griffith said he believes the organization would now give the state a low grade regardless
of
how strong the rest of the standards may be.
And that's actually a really critical kind of stamp of rejection because the Fordham Foundation is actually a very conservative think tank that typically really supports and in fact did say that prior to this gave Oklahoma standards a very high grade for being really
good at covering American history and civics and that just this this insertion of the discrepancies they said hey sorry we can't do it because you know this is truly saying putting in the state standards that we're going to teach kids about something that didn't happen.
And as the Fordham Foundation, we can't say good job anymore.
Surprise.
Surprise.
You know, now maybe if you include, you know, the Hollywood taping of the possibility like the moon landing, maybe we could throw that.
But you think about this yet.
Tell me though that that doesn't.
Reek of Ryan Walter saying President Trump look at what I'm doing here.
Yeah, I am you know Licking you the boots
I
am I am willing to do the work dude just call on me because
I
am Right with you when it comes to pointing out the non-truth and making those truths.
Hey
I'm your boy, but it's frightening.
Yeah, I know David Griffith also added a core principle of American democracy is that we accept the outcome of free and fair elections.
And if the standards contradict that, then they miss the entire point of civic education.
So there you
go.
Because that's really, I mean, it's not civic education.
Now we are truly in the indoctrination.
This is not civic education.
This is right wing indoctrination.
And right now in the world we exist in, right wing indoctrination seems to be able to hold the water and be like, yeah, we can go for that indoctrination.
But when it comes to teaching about the left wing, like the Black Lives Matter things that happened, no, we're not going to do that indoctrination.
Whenever
well is the superintendent, you know Ryan Walters added this to the Description that they have on site.
They're moving away from radical anti-America American curricula, okay?
Yeah, so So did that nothing to worry about there, you know, certainly not a red flag and that maybe
we're
gonna go the other direction You know, here's some propaganda for you
Well, yeah, we don't want to teach them left-wing propaganda.
No.
Kind of like, oh, it was the other story too.
I don't know if you saw this one is, you know, the removal of Harriet Tubman in the underground railroad.
Oh, yes, yes, yes.
You know, because that's radical left-wing indoctrination.
Oh, it sure is.
We're talking,
luckily, they added it back.
Right.
Yes, but.
We're talking with Dr. Tim Slecker from Busted Pencils, great podcast that drops Mondays, Wednesdays, and Fridays, Civic Media Radio Network, and on Saturdays.
You can join the conversation, 608-879-8255.
That's 879-TALK.
You know, I was
surprised, to be honest, I listened to the podcast and Johnny was disagreeing with you a little bit there.
What was that about?
I was a little shocked and you were very, very pleasant, Tim.
But I would have gone over the top and the edge on that one where he says, well, the student should hear something about this.
They should at least apply some critical thinking to these elections.
And Tim,
The point is that the states do that already.
The legislators do that already.
They have commissions in these states to take a look at the vote.
They examine these after the election.
There is so many checks and balances within this system.
It's just the people who are trying to make it seem like they're not checks and balances.
Right.
You know, and on that, I think Johnny was trying to make the point that
possibly that you know where things are allowed to be discussed critically and that he didn't want to be on you know the side of some kind of left wing shutting things down.
I point out this though you know as we're talking it's like okay you know what you want to include the 2020 election in the standards then let's include
it from the standpoint of what it was, an attempt to subvert an election result that would have been, I mean, let's, you want to teach the discrepancy of 2020, like January 6th, the amount of people in jail right now for the things, although maybe a lot of them are gone, but...
free right now.
But I mean, okay, if we're going to teach it, let's teach the truth that we had an American president that absolutely tried everything he could to orchestrate a coup.
Yes.
You know, maybe that's what Ryan Walters is trying for.
Maybe not.
I don't know the critical thinking part.
I know so I was wondering if you caught the the kind of back and forth with Johnny and Oh,
I did look I almost drove off the road when I heard Johnny defend Adding this into the course thinking
well, you
know, we have to at least give them an opportunity to question what these elections are doing You know and going into it with that information.
I'm thinking no no
And I'm pretty sure that if he was on it right now what he would say is John what I was saying
was is that can we give the way we do elections more coverage so that students and people learning this won't end up in the kind of conspiratorial headspace when they realize how much integrity, how much checking and balancing goes
on.
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Let's go back to Dr. Tim Slecker from Busted Pencils, a great podcast you can find on the Civic Media app and Mark has been waiting on the line here.
He's got a question or comment.
Good morning, Mark.
Go ahead.
He actually keeps the full constitution there in Oklahoma because I think in the Trump Bible it cuts off after the 12th Amendment.
And not to point out the fact that's actually blasphemous because you're not supposed to be adding anything to the Bible at all, at least according to revelations.
And there's a little textbook that I have here that I found at St.
Vinnie's that just the title caught my eye.
So I picked it up and I don't have it right now.
But the title of it was,
agrarian socialism in oklahoma
really
wow this is back from their experiments they're doing it back in the uh... really 20th century that they're talking about you know that uh... you know the economic problems of the people down at the lower end of the scale we're having and that's how that might have been an answer to it is get a little bit more socialism in there
Not to mention probably the Tulsa race massacre that they probably don't want to keep about that.
Taking the land away from the Indians when they discovered oil on it back in the book, Killers of the Flower Moon, which talks about the fall of the FBI.
Well, a lot of that stuff, you know, I don't know if the public is that interested, and according to Ryan Walters, this is a quote, we're holding the system accountable in keeping classrooms focused on education, not woke activism.
So they won't have to keep some of that stuff quiet.
Yeah, I think about that, right?
I mean, you know, as Mark's pointing out, it's like, okay, here are some facts.
of history, specifically with Oklahoma.
And the, you know, the question would be is, okay, are these part of the standards or not?
Or should they be part of the standards?
John, you're pointing at something there.
Well, I was just.
I didn't know if that was related.
No, no, no.
We're looking at LeBron James joins Barbie Universe.
You know, it's $75 for that LeBron James.
It is 75 bucks.
Yeah.
Yeah.
He's joined the Barbie.
a Mattel lineup of Barbie dolls.
Do they have a box that tall?
I don't know.
I don't think it's life-size.
I
kind of doubt it.
Anyway, yeah, let's get back
to
you.
Sorry, Mark.
You did make a really good point about dropping the Bill of Rights off at the 12th Amendment.
Well,
after 12, you go to 13, and typically 13 is associated with
Fridays and Friday the 13th are bad.
So would assume that anything after 13, including 13 is something you need to stay away from.
Oh, yes.
Maybe that's the operating theory.
Like how I put that together?
Yeah.
Excellent.
Yeah.
Thanks for connecting the dots.
Maybe you could talk
to Ryan Walters.
He needs some help connecting all those dots.
What do you have in the latest podcast that you just dropped today?
Drop last night.
We went back over to kind of talk about the, what do you want to say?
the attack on diversity, equity, and inclusion.
And the reality that, okay, so we have states' rights.
Ohio and Kentucky voted as states to ban DEI.
And New York came out very much and said, sorry, we are going to do DEI.
And the reality here is to say, is New York
or all of these states in line with constitutional law that says education, public education, is determined at the state, particularly issues of curriculum.
And so we might not like Kentucky and Ohio's if you support the EI, but that is the pathway to do curriculum if you want to do it.
And New York, by saying we're doing it,
They're perfectly also in line with this.
And so you can kind of start to look at this and saying, okay, is, you know, do we want curriculum at that level?
And I think this is a question that's worth considering really coming down to truly this kind of states, right?
Local where you can even see school districts starting to say, well, in our district, our kids want to learn this.
And so we're going to make the decision.
to teach that there wasn't a Tulsa, Oklahoma race riot.
Because
that's upsetting to our kids.
And see, you know, so I applaud New York.
right?
Because I think that saying that, you know, when we're talking about diversity, when we're talking about the realities of equity, when we're talking about, you know, including disabled veterans, right?
There's nothing, in fact, inclusion of others who have been excluded is something that it's a human value that we want to teach.
So yeah, what do we, how do we make sense of this?
Again, back to the federal oversight.
of public education versus the state's rights to control curriculum and will the Trump White House under and then the whatever we call it a denuded Department of Education will they say sorry President Trump but New York's allowed to do what they do and Ohio's allowed to do what they do or will New York now find itself
kind of on some type of blacklist.
Yeah.
Well, you know, I would think that if a lot of these school districts did stand up against the people who are against DEI and then it becomes a court case as is a, that was promoting freedom of speech, freedom of association, that might, you know, kind of work that way in and allow DEI across the country as an option.
Yeah.
We got to leave it there.
Dr. Tim Slecker, thank you for joining us.
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