In hour two, John and Gordy talk with Bailey, a 14 year old, who has abandoned TikTok, to save her mental health. The discussion on education continues, as we chat about teachers leaving the profession because they can't control the kids. Later, Mike McCabe joins us as he does every Wednesday, and we get his take on the issue. The guys also talk with him about economics - and why the reality of a "good" economy doesn't match perceptions anymore for the working class.

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