KXEL Presents: The Jacobsen Group Podcast – November 30, 2024

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John Jacobson here in the Jacobson Group on KXEL on a beautiful Saturday morning after that vaunted Hawkeye Husker football game last night.

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My exclusive interview with Bobby Kennedy, followed by the great small business family, the Hamzes from Cedar Rapids, and then...

the Think Tank, the free market Think Tank, the Gourtney Institute, with their assessment of the appointment of the great Robert F. Kennedy Jr.

to head Health and Human Services.

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Let's get ready to roll!

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Loud and proud here we are on KXEL the Jacobson group yours truly John Jacobson with Scott Corey co-hosting

Mike Shane at the engineering deck in the studio and today our special recurring guest Tim Grover on these scorching dog days of summer here in August in Eastern Iowa and all of the other big ten states within the sound of our voice here on America's premier 50,000 watt clear channel caroming through the Midwest and Scott do we have a show for you today our exclusive

50 minute interview with Democratic presidential candidate Sian of the most famous

First Family American Politics, Robert F. Kennedy Jr.

Esquire, Scotty, tremendous newsmaking that we did with that series of interviews.

Only Tucker Carlson got an hour alongside us with Bobby Kennedy Jr.

We're in the pivot seat for newsmaking and Scott, a lot of news this week also on the Hawkeye front.

Good grief, Tim Grover and Scott.

We've got 30,000 counting folks that have grabbed tickets for an outdoor practice of the Iowa women's team and they have sold out the entire season at Carver.

Scotty.

You know, John, you talk about it as we move in through August, you know, wrapping up the state fair this weekend and also getting ready for football and season is just right around the corner.

But it has been nothing but Caitlin Clark's world and we're just living it as you had mentioned.

This week it was announced that the Carver Hawkeye Arena, for the first time ever, the entire season has been sold out for the Iowa Women's Basketball Program.

15,000 plus seats are now taken up by our fans.

And now on Thursday afternoon or Thursday morning, I should say, Interim Athletic Director Beth Gatz announced that over 30,000 plus tickets have been sold for crossover at Kinnick, which will be played in October against DePaul.

And it's just amazing, Tim Grover, what is going

going on.

It is Lisa Bluter's world with Caitlin Clark riding shotgun, and it is amazing.

Yeah, I quite agree, Scotty.

I like Collie Jeffleix from a Lisa Bluter standpoint.

I see some really great things coming on here.

I watched Yes's Pressors this weekend.

I was very, very impressed.

I think she went in already and did some things that weren't being listened to from the fan base.

And I think she related well to the press.

And I think we're off to a good fall start here for Hawkeye Sports.

You know, I found it was very interesting that in her opening remarks, Beth went out of her way to mention that she is talking regularly with Brad Hendricks, the head of the Iowa Swarm Collective, the NIL, and that it was been reported on several interviews that Brad did that he had not had any conversations with Gary Bartow, the former Iowa Athletic Director, because Bartow would not return his emails or phone calls.

But Beth understands what is going on in sports world right now, and you have to have the university working

arm and arm with the collectives moving forward so that was a breath of fresh air.

Another thing I really liked about her pressure, she talked about it as expanding on NIL and that in keeping athletics as an academic exercise and that possibly there may be more compensation for everybody, all the athletes, which has been something I've advocated with for years.

because her and Kirk expressed this too.

There's too much advertising about gambling and they believe this is, we're talking about young people here.

You dangle it out in front of them, they're gonna abuse it.

Here with our special guest, Tim Grover.

Tim, we've got a minute and a half here before we roll into our interview with Bobby Kidney Jr.

I want your take.

You're the one that gave us, on the text thread, the information that Beth gets and her presser said,

Brian Farance reports directly to me.

That sounds a single, doesn't it, Tim?

Yeah, that's how I understood it.

It was a little hard to hear the reporter's question.

So I'm assuming when she said Brian reports directly to me, I'm going to guess he was talking about Brian.

I didn't know who else was involved in the conversation, which is a significant thing because Kirk probably shouldn't be as supervised because of nepotism.

So

So I think that's significant.

You know, John, what I really appreciated about her comments and the athletic director role at Iowa is she kind of used a Hayden Fry phrase talking about progress and she's never going to have a make sure the shovels are always in the ground.

And so it's very exciting to see what the athletic department is going to look like moving forward.

And I hope that come spring, she is the new athletic director at the University of Iowa.

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Stand by for our interview with Democrat presidential candidate Robert F. Kennedy, Jr.

up now.

Going out right now, the Iowa State Fair, our Saturday, Part 1, exclusive conversation with Democratic presidential candidate Robert F. Kennedy, Jr.

Here we go, let's roll!

Mr. Kennedy, you are all Iowan with

your

drumstick at the fair.

I'll tell you what, I am looking for some fried bacon and maybe some fried butter.

I've heard about it, haven't seen it yet.

But this is my comfort food.

You had a great crowd here today.

I think it was the largest gathering at the State Fair.

Des Moines is not even the biggest metro area.

The Omaha County Post Office area is.

You had there tomorrow.

Many people have fond memories of your father there from the 68 campaign.

Yeah, my father, you know, my father spoke at Great University and then went and gave a

You know, a pretty famous speech in Omaha.

He got an extraordinary reception,

and I think it

really... It was at a time when his campaign was really starting to take it off.

He won that Nebraska primary, a huge victory.

He won South Dakota, but he went on the Wabash Cannonball.

He did?

The train ride?

Yeah, the train ride, all over the Midwest.

But Nebraska was a huge turning point

for him.

It was.

And it showed that with Bobby seeing your winning California on the heels of Nebraska and then that same night, South Dakota, you've talked about the terrible level of toxicity and how you can bridge that.

Your father bridged that.

How can you do that?

Well, I think we got to start by telling people the truth.

I think the reason that people are, you know, at each other's throats is like, if you've got a family and the parents are dysfunctional in their line to the kids, everybody is going to be dysfunctional and at each other's throats.

You've

told the truth and you've been vindicated.

You were right as the COVID data is coming out.

You were right about everything.

Fauci was wrong.

Not even the Republicans stood up to Fauciism and what happened there.

And the lockdown was debilitating the Maya constituents.

It was destructive.

You've seen that nationwide, especially on the poor, the African-American and the children in our communities.

Yeah, the lockdowns cost us 16 trillion dollars and we got nothing for it.

You know, the countries and the states that did happy lockdowns, fair to worse.

We shifted four trillion dollars from the poor to the super rich, the middle class, to the super rich.

We created a billionaire a day during the lockdown, so 500 new billionaires.

and we shut down Main Street.

This country 3.3 million businesses and we taught people instead, you know, to shop at Amazon.

So it was terrible for our country and as you say, the kids suffered the worst.

The suicide is now the biggest cause of death for black children.

IQ and toddlers dropped by 22% according to the Brown University study and

You know, American kids who are in elementary school are going to require remedial education for the rest of their academic careers.

Oh, you know, it was really punishing for our children.

And by the way, it didn't help us.

We ended up with the highest COVID death rate on Earth.

We had, we have only 4.2% of the global population, but we had 16% of the COVID deaths.

So that's not a success story.

The lockdowns were a failure.

In the censorship, I will tell you that so many were censored for telling the truth.

You were censored for telling the truth, and you've tied that in with this corporate stranglehold with the government, with industry, this corporate cronyism, the very people who were shutting you and me down with our speech, although we enrounded it through the legislature and AM radio, but it was tough.

Those same people were the ones benefiting from the lockdown.

Yeah, exactly.

They're very companies.

We're censoring criticism of the lockdowns.

We're making billions on it.

So Facebook, Google, Bloomberg, Twitter, you know, ended up doing it, participating in the censorship itself.

And the people, these Titan, you know, these social media Titans who came into the lockdown with a billion dollars increased their wealth on average by 30%.

And they did it by shutting down those of us who were saying, wait a minute, you know, this lockdown is not working.

You spoke beautifully today in front of the crowd about conserving our resources.

You talked about these pipelines, the carbon capture pipeline.

You have had the transcendence as a statesman to rightly point out that God speaks to us in various vectors.

One of those is through his beautiful creation.

It's a tapestry.

He's woven in your own words.

And we're pulling those threads.

We can find God in the arts and religion and culture.

Nothing, though, imitates nature.

And when we deprive ourselves of that, we're depriving ourselves of touching the divine, aren't we?

Yeah, that's exactly right.

You know, God talks through all of these, you know, through organized religions, through the great books of those religions, through wise people of prophets, and through art and literature and music and poetry, but nowhere with the texture and detail and grace and joy is through creation.

And when we destroy that, we destroy part of our capacity to sense the divine.

Also, you know, nature connects us to art.

to our history, to our culture.

It gives context to our communities.

It's the source ultimately of our values, our virtues, our characters and people.

It's the American democracy.

Frederick Jackson Turner was our greatest American historian.

And that American democracy came out of the wilderness without the forest and the farms.

You know, American democracy simply wouldn't have evolved the way that the institutions did.

You've rightly said nature is our safety net.

It's also, economically, a social saving net during the Great Depression.

10,000 men went down to the Hudson River who were unemployed and they caught fish, they grabbed, they caught shrimp.

They fed themselves, in some cases, they were marketing those products for their family and feeding their families.

And today, if that happened, you know, the fish are now loaded with

toxic PCBs you're not allowed to sell them the market anymore, so we destroyed the social safety net and You know that's not a good plan for our country

You've said there's so much distrust in America when your uncle

when your uncle was taken from us, 80% of the American people trusted government, not only 20%, trust the government media.

Many, including me, think the government is lying to us about Ukraine.

A lot of people in Iowa, especially Western Iowa, don't want this conflagration in the Ukraine.

What are your thoughts on the Ukraine war situation?

The Ukraine war is a war, you know...

I'm not apologizing for Vladimir Putin.

His invasion was illegal.

It was brutal.

He had other options, but we have to understand that the U.S.

has deliberately, the people in the White House, the neocons, Victoria Newland, Anthony Blinken, April Hanks, had deliberately provoked that war.

They wanted that war on two occasions.

In 2019, when Vladimir Zelensky tried to sign the Minsk Accords and settle the war, we torpedoed that.

And then again, in April of 2022, he initialed a peace agreement with Putin the months before in March of 2022, and we sent our White House.

sent Boris Johnson over there to torpedo that agreement, to sabotage it, because we wanted the war.

That month, Lloyd Austin, the Secretary of Defense, was asked, why are we in Ukraine?

Why is the U.S.?

And he was honest.

He said, we're there to degrade, to exhaust the Russian Army into greatest capacity to fight any place in the world.

And, you know, and President Biden said,

We're there to do regime change in Russia.

They want to balkanize Russia, and you know, that's not good for Ukraine.

That is not, you know, my son fought in Ukraine.

Many of the people that he fought with are now dead.

There's 350,000 kids.

Ukrainian kids who have died who are being, you know, fed into this abattoir of death.

And there's 50,000 Russians who have died, kids.

And 50,000 parents, mothers who have bereaved.

It's a war we can't win.

We were lied to about every aspect of this war.

We're being lied to about the casualty council.

And we're being lied about the long history of U.S.

provocation that got Russia to this point, a moving NATO right to the borders of putting Aegis missile systems, nuclear cable missile systems on their border, walking away unilaterally from the two nuclear, intermediate nuclear weapons treaties that we signed with the Russians.

And all of those are provocations that Russians warned again and again and again.

We cannot take NATO intrusion into Ukraine.

We've been invaded three times through Ukraine.

And we're not going to do that.

It would be like the Russians putting nuclear weapons systems.

In Cuba, we know what my uncle had to do there.

I was at the library on Christmas Eve.

I was in your father's office on Christmas Eve.

And Jack and your father

did not let cigar chomping Curtis Lemay from Omaha, from Stratcom, roll him, and during COVID, maybe even the good intentions of our president then, maybe got rolled by Fauci and Berks at the establishment.

Are you the person who can stand up to that bureaucracy?

You know about this agency capture.

You've been the most successful American trial lawyer in decades in conservation law work, public interest work.

Yeah, and you know, that's why I feel

You know, I've spent four years suing these agencies and I understand how to unravel the capture of the agencies.

And I think most presidents when they get in there probably mean well, but they get intimidated by an agency like the CIA.

There's 24,000 people or NIH.

You know, the HHS was just,

you know,

80,000 employees.

They don't know how to reform it.

They know that at every level of that agency, there's bureaucrats who can commit civil disobediences and embarrass the president.

They bring in people who are safe to run the agencies, who won't rock the boat.

It's usually somebody from the industry, somebody who, in Ralph Freese's book, gets the joke.

And, you know, I get the joke, but I don't think it's funny.

I understand what we need to do.

I understand.

In many cases, an EPA and CDC, particulate individuals who need to be moved in order to bring that agency out of this kind of predatory mode against the American people and back to serving the public interest, our public health, the environment, etc.

You know, when I sued Monsanto... Very successfully,

and

that was the first of many.

Boy, it was one of many, but it wasn't the first.

You know, I've brought over 500 laws, successful laws.

And those cases were in 2019, the three big nobossanto cases.

But one of the things we found in that case during the discovery process was that the head of the pesticide division for a decade at EPA, a guy called Jess Rowland,

was actually secretly working for Monsanto the whole time, sabotaging the studies about the carcinogenicity of glyphosate, the main ingredient, the active ingredient of Roundup.

He was protecting, he was not working for the American people, although we were paying him.

He was instead working for Monsanto.

John Jacobson here with you.

What a beautiful Iowa autumnal heading into winter scape here post Thanksgiving.

We have so much for which to be grateful to God Almighty for shining the blessings of liberty upon these United States of America.

These United States of America defended by great patriots like the late great Kurt and Norma Hames, the progenitors of this wonderful multi-generational family.

business and what a better calling vocation if you would.

Curtis Haymes who wears the name so well, your grandfather's name, you guys finding hearth and home for American families what could be more honorable than that but to find beautiful safe affordable homes for Americans.

Curtis I take my hat off to you.

Great to have you back on today.

We love all those kind words.

Man, that's very, very thoughtful.

Well, Curtis, you guys are rocking it over there in the Cedar Rapids Metroplex.

And I'm just so proud of what you're doing.

You know, we've had a lot of instructional little mini tutorials on this great award-winning program.

Of course, this team, this ensemble team that ranges from Kansas to Omaha to

Waterloo Cedar Rapids, the first media outlet in the nation, television or radio, to correctly call the presidential election and the new president-elect, 1109 Central Daylight Time.

Sean Torres and yours truly in the studio and we made that call predicting with metaphysical certitude the correct outcome of all 50 states

and the District of Columbia.

We got it in before ABC, CBS, NBC, PBS, Fox, CNN, MSNBC, Westwood One, Mutual, you name it, and we're on the cutting edge too in talking about these great American businesses.

Curtis, these great manufactured homes that you have at your two locations, and I've been out there recently because when I come in to pick up Mom, I

drive by you're so closely located to the eastern Iowa Sea Rapids airport there you've got those beautiful communities that summit view grand view Christmas lights are out and soon we'll see some snow on those beautiful green lawns but Curtis what is underneath your hams home some people most people in eastern Iowa

have basements or crawl spaces.

However, you get to the sandhills of Nebraska or you get down into Kansas and people don't necessarily have basements.

They have slabs that they build on because of the terrain.

And Curtis, what is underneath your Hames home?

We are very proud at Hames to help people become homeowners.

We know that

No matter what type of home you own, there's going to be different things that you need to maintain and take care of.

And we're not going to sell a home and just say, well, you're on your own.

Our goal is to help educate people to become savvy homeowners.

The elements can wear your home out.

No matter what type of home you have, we've had natural disasters, just the simple changes in temperature in the state of Iowa,

Our homes are built extremely well, but there are items that need occasional maintenance and helping our homeowners know what they have is something that we're very proud of.

And that's a big part of my day-to-day is educating people, first-time homebuyers, senior homebuyers who've owned different types of homes, lived in RVs, condos, real estate.

We're excited to educate people and help them learn how to maintain their home.

I've been writing a multi-part series on our blog and it's a nice resource for our homeowners.

I want to educate people on how to keep their home from freezing up in that unlikely event and all of the things that we do to maintain, set up correctly and go above and beyond the standards

set by the federal and state government.

You guys do this so well, Curtis.

You make sure that that belly of a mobile home, that enclosed area underneath the home, also known as the bottom board, but it's that protective layer that is added at the factory when the home is built.

And it has several functions.

You guys make sure that that's

functional that the functionality is there because what you guys do at the factory and what you help do in consulting with your homeowners, you help with moisture protection, energy efficiency, pest prevention and debris shielding, Curtis.

Absolutely, absolutely.

The belly of the home is kind of a wrap.

It's a fiberglass piece and it's to ensure that under your home has another layer of protection.

from nature and from the elements.

All of our homes that we sell, either a new home straight from the factory where our buyers are the first owner, or a pre-home that we've refurbished and guaranteed to function with our 96-point inspection, that belly is another layer of protection to ensure that your pipes are secure, the insulation is secure, and we in the unlikely event that

An animal gets under your skirting or just simply the cold weather.

It's to keep things running safe and more importantly, staying really efficient.

The Belly is not really a DIY product, but we're excited to make sure that people understand what's under their home and to know how much value we're able to provide when we refurbish a home and ensure that it's in working order.

You're welcome to buy a product from a private individual, but without our guarantee and our service team making sure that everything's in working order, you're rolling the dice a little bit.

So with our homes, all of our sales are going to be guaranteed to function for that first winter with no problem.

And in that really unlikely event that something happens, you will be under warranty and we will take good care of you.

Here with a great Curtis Haymes from Haymes Homes, manufactured homes in the Cedar Rapids area.

You know what I love about you guys Curtis is you guarantee that the belly has been sufficiently patched or replaced if needed and the belly can last the entire life of a home without repairs if it's not damaged and doesn't need regular maintenance.

You guys

help facilitate that.

You guys check the belly as part of a 96-point inspection.

You guys inspect almost 100 different parameters of the mobile home.

What's that all about, Curtis?

Sounds like just tremendous customer service for your homeowners.

We want everybody to have a functional home when they acquire it from us.

This is not

a situation where you can buy a lemon car and just drive away and the dealer says you're on your own.

We're a team.

You're coming to stay in our community.

We're very excited to help homeowners have the best experience possible.

That doesn't pair up with being always the most affordable option, but what you're getting is a lot, a lot of care.

We have six gentlemen

and our service team full-time, and every home is two weeks to a month of refurbishing, ensuring that everything's in working order.

That 96-point inspection is from soup to nut.

We want to make sure electrical, plumbing, everything functions, all your appliances work correctly.

We want a turn-key experience for our buyers.

And that is what you get with the Hames warranty, and that's the difference

for buying from us versus a private individual.

It is Curtis Hames and your residents back it up.

Michael Heffern says, thank you again for helping us find a home and a lifestyle that has made us very happy.

Tony Floreschinger says, there are wonderful people who live here.

It is a safe and quiet community.

You can see the pride in ownership.

John and Doris Zahn say, grand view is a clean, well-kept, and safe community.

Problems that may arise are handled promptly, courteously, and efficiently.

Management has always been very helpful and polite.

And Jim Blad says, from the first day we started looking for a home, we were impressed by the professionalism used in helping us select our home.

The Bonskins say, Hames treated us fair and square,

And we were more than satisfied with the deal they offered us.

Curtis, nothing beats real life testimony from your community neighbors.

We love those kind words from our friends here.

And we want to every day wake up and earn that reputation and earn those kind words.

That is very, very thoughtful from those folks.

And we want to continue to live up to that high standard.

that my grandma and grandpa all those years ago.

They were great, great people.

I remember them fondly, even at Christmas time when they would come into my dad's dental practice for their annual cleanings.

Just literal giants bestowed the Sea Rapids area when they were building that wonderful business.

Curtis, you've got financing options and safe communities.

Talk about

Breathing with two lungs, I can't think of more important items than living safely and affordably, financing in safe communities.

We keep it really simple.

Someone wants a clean, safe, affordable place to live.

We're the one-stop shop.

We have guidance for getting a loan if someone is not able to pay cash.

Guidance for homeowners insurance.

We're certified to sell that.

or help someone buy elsewhere.

We are a planned community.

Everybody who comes to live follows a background check and follows pretty simple community guidelines to make sure we have good neighbors.

We're really a holistic approach.

It's a really simple, fun, clean way of living.

We want everyone to know what we do here in eastern Iowa.

We're very proud of it.

We take it very seriously.

I'm looking at some of these prices on this wonderful website, hamshomes.com.

Everything from 47,000 up to 150,000.

Very affordable, beautiful homes.

Curtis, what's the biggest difference between Summit View and Grand View?

I've been to both.

I can't choose.

It's like flipping a coin.

They're both beautiful locations.

There's very little difference.

It's all under the Hames umbrella.

We have different management teams.

They work as a team.

Summit View was built five years earlier in the early 90s.

Grand View started in the mid 90s.

The quality is the same.

It's all the Hames experience.

Either community is going to be a great choice wherever you find your home.

Well, and Charles Dickens would say that you, good folks, celebrate Christmas well.

You've always got a charitable outlook for the community.

You've been awarded by Quarter Magazine for your custodial citizenship, outreach, helping the community, and you have that wonderful food pantry.

A Christian service model has always been part and parcel of your family vision, hasn't it, Curtis?

Absolutely.

I've been guided and been given very, very good guidance all the years of my life.

Kurt Norma has taken very good care of me.

The next generation, my dad and his sisters, I've learned a ton.

We continue to try to live up to that extremely high standard that was set from the beginning.

Yeah, the great Troy Hames.

I just, every member of your family have just been awesome people and friends of our family for many years.

Curtis, I've alluded to the great website, HamesHomes.com.

How do they reach you by phone or email or how do they take a tour there?

You are so close to great retail as well as the airport, medical facilities.

You're perfectly located.

How do we find you, Curtis?

We're excited to serve the southwest side of Cedar Rapids, but as you mentioned, we're not more than 10 or 15 minutes from anything in the Cedar Rapids area.

We're very close to the airport, just a few five or six minutes to get on the highway.

to get to Iowa City and Carter Hawk Arena or Nile Kinneck Stadium.

Please reach out to me any way that's convenient.

We're on social media.

We have a very active Facebook page.

We would love to have you like and subscribe to that.

We can be reached via phone 319-377-4863 or on our website, HainesHomes.com.

Please give me a call.

Please give my coworker Clint a call and we can visit about

looking at home talking about financing or really just any kind of questions that you might have a great phrase that grandpa used to tell me is that we like lookers and we like people who are wanting to get educated even if you're not quite ready we love to visit we love to talk about our product in our community.

Ladies and gentlemen as a

visiting professor this year teaching five business classes.

I can tell you America is on the move again.

Our leading indicators are surging upward.

There's a new optimism.

Curtis this is the time to make that move.

I think America is bullish again and I think we're going to see a great resurgence broad spectrum economically.

This is the time as we head into a new year to get into a new home isn't it?

Absolutely.

It's time to get educated before things start to really, really pick up again and I predict that into the spring.

So if you're thinking of housing, it's time to start getting educated.

Please give us a call this winter so we can get started in the spring.

John Jacobson here with the great Curtis Haymes, part of this magnificent family, worthy custodians of the civic largesse.

I cannot think of a vocation greater in life than to provide the avenues, literally the avenues for home ownership for American families, for Eastern Iowa families, safely, affordably, and aesthetically

Beautifully.

Curtis, always great to have you on.

Go Hawks, football, basketball, across the spectrum.

How about Jan Jensen's group still undefeated and ranked?

Off to a hot start.

We were here hooting and hollering here on Thanksgiving.

My family and I, very, very excited for that team.

Get one more win on the football team and the men's basketball teams on the rise as well.

We're very excited.

It's great to be a Hawkeye.

It's great to be a Hames Homes aficionado.

Guys, we'll continue this trek with Curtis as we head all the way to Christmas and New Year's.

Curtis, thanks for joining us again this weekend on the blowtorch.

I love it.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Talk to you soon.

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Dr. Justin Clark, the Manara Family Professor of Philosophy and Ethics.

Dr. Peter Jacobson, the Gordon Professor for Economic Education and Research.

Finally, the Gordon Institute assistant, Kevin Rugadeje.

All right, so we're going to get into maybe some cabinet positions and wanted to focus in on especially someone here, Robert Kennedy, Jr.

been a fairly outspoken person on the way things were handled, maybe especially with COVID and some other things.

And so I'm looking forward to Justin leading us through, like, what do you think this new regime would look like, assuming he does get appointed in the health sector for us?

Yeah, well, I think maybe it would make sense to kind of talk about

I'll tell you kind of like how RFK came onto my radar.

So I think out of the three of us, I'm probably, this isn't probably, I'm the biggest RFK junior Stan on here, right?

Is it

because

of your bumper sticker that we should know that?

Yeah, so I've

had- Do you

own a Mahah hat?

Not yet.

And I won't, right?

And actually the bumper sticker came off my car and it came off my car yesterday and

it's

much to the

approval of my wife.

But I have had a Kennedy sticker on my car since March.

And in March, you know, it's Kennedy 2024.

And in March, Kennedy was running as a Democrat, right?

He was trying to challenge Joe Biden for the Democratic Democratic ticket, right?

And I put my I put that sticker on my car then.

And that's because I felt like

Kennedy was right on the two issues which I considered the most important.

The issue that had been the most important for me for the past 20 years had been foreign policy and I thought Kennedy was the best and the most articulate and credible about the causes of the Ukraine war and how we should have dealt with it and why we

Our CIA essentially has fingerprints all over the conflict in Ukraine, leading back to the Maidan Revolution and Victoria Newland trying to control who the government could be.

So I thought that he was great on the foreign policy issue.

And I also thought that not only was he great on the foreign policy issue, but a lot of people pretend to be good on foreign policy.

But Kennedy had the advantage in my mind of

having a blood feud with the security apparatus of the intelligence agency because his uncle, who was president, threatened to splinter the CIA into a thousand pieces and scatter it to the Four Winds after the CIA tried to lie to his father or to his uncle during the Bay of Pigs invasion and trap him into an invading Cuba.

And of course, after

JFK threatened to destroy the intelligence agencies.

His head exploded on national television, and then his own father finally got the...

got the Democratic nomination, won the Democratic nomination, and was going to run for president.

His father was his uncle's attorney general.

He had said that he was going to actually open the JFK file cases to figure out what actually went on because he suspected the CIA killed his brother.

And of course, as soon as he won the nomination, his own father was killed in the kitchen of the Roosevelt, I think it's the Roosevelt Hotel in Los Angeles.

by you know the official story is that syrian syrian shot him you can listen to the audio there's like nine shots fired syrian syrian's gun only held seven like the stories are preposterous in both cases i thought that not only did he say that he wanted to do these things about ending the wars but he had enough animus to this the central intelligence agency where i figured i actually can trust this guy to actually fight the parts of the government that i don't like and then

What actually became the biggest issue for me within the past 10 years is the thing that I think most people distrust him most on, which is his explanation for why we have this soaring health problems in the United States, in particular chronic illness in children.

The rate of autism in

The early 1980s was one in 10,000.

The rate of autism among boys today is one in 30, or one in 33.

And Kennedy has been, he was very outspoken against the mRNA vaccine mandates during COVID.

When I got my second mRNA shot, my lymph nodes flared way up on the side of my armpit.

And I remember thinking like, that's not good.

I thought these things were essentially harmless.

And it was only after I got that second one and I had that thing blow up that I started reading the actual studies.

And I thought, no, these things are actually, these things, they weren't tested very well.

And they didn't even perform very well in the tests in which

in which they underwent.

And not only that, then they vaccinated the control arm in the experiment after four weeks.

So I immediately became pretty skeptical of the COVID vaccines.

And then, you know, I read Kennedy's book on the real Fauci, which I would encourage every American to read.

I think it gets painted as this kind of like diatribe about like Fauci is evil.

And we know this because he has evil intentions.

And really, you know, Kennedy goes out of his way in this book to say, I'm not going to

attribute any intentions to what these people do.

I'm just going to tell you exactly what they did.

Here are the receipts for everything that happened.

And I thought that book was really persuasive.

And then listeners may know my oldest son actually is on the autism spectrum and pretty far on it.

So my son was diagnosed with level three, which is like the most extreme form of autism.

And having read

I think at this point probably over 50 books on autism and thousands of articles.

I became convinced that there was something wrong with our vaccine protocol.

And I felt like Kennedy was the only one who was actually talking about it and talking about it in a way that wasn't really helping him out, right?

He thought that this was the truth and

was willing to say what the truth was.

And I felt like he was willing to take on pharma, which became actually in addition to the military industrial complex, which was my original biggest issue, foreign policy being dictated by the military industrial complex.

My biggest issue that rose to the top, and especially during COVID was the pharmaceutical industrial in pharmaceutical pharmaceutical industrial complex,

another

complex dictating our

national health in such a way that, you know, we have the worst health outcomes given the amount of money that we spend.

So I'm following with you and it seems like you are like laying out a really good case why you should be supportive of Kennedy.

But I heard you say at the beginning of the podcast that you took your bumper sticker off and you're not going to get a maha hat.

Did something change?

Yes.

Yeah.

What changed is that Trump won the election.

I'm a big believer in trying to win gracefully.

And I think that when there is a battle, when that battle is decided, you take off your uniform.

And so I, you know, I really, I always thought it was stupid when people had like, you know, Obama 08 stickers on their car in 2012, like, wouldn't you're just trying to, like you supported this candidate then.

So I think that it was really interesting, first of all, the reception that that bumper sticker got because in

March I had a lot of people and like we go to a school in a very progressive city and you know in Lawrence is pretty progressive I would have a lot of Democrats at my son's school for example say like can't he saying really interesting things, you know, and that's great and then when it became clear that he was he was kind of being more critical of Biden some of that shifted a little bit and then after the first Trump assassination when

or assassination attempt, when the reshuffling really occurred, what you had was Team Kennedy say, these problems are not going to get fixed via the Democratic Party.

They are too wedded to pharma, they are too wedded to the military industrial complex, and they are controlled by the Central Intelligence Agency, our best bet to address these issues

Kennedy said, Trump called me and said, I want to make part of my legacy, the eradication, chronic childhood illness.

Kennedy said, you know, if you listen to what Kennedy said in the past couple of days, he said, I prayed for 13 years for God to put me in a place where I could address these issues.

And this year, God sent me Donald Trump.

Kind of wild.

And so that bumper sticker went from being a Democratic bumper sticker.

To being a Trump bumper sticker and the bumper sticker didn't change right

so it

got really a really different reception after Kennedy threw his weight on the Trump campaign and said I'm going to be a part of this campaign if you want my ideas if you want someone to be pushing these kinds of issues in Washington

This is the ticket that you need to support.

And then, of course, a lot of those same people who are like, you know, oh, Kennedy's like really interesting things.

Now I'm getting dirty from these people, et cetera.

Okay, so I initially interpreted you as having advanced skepticism.

It sounds like you still feel the same

about

Kennedy.

You just

have

a philosophical position of, well, now it's time to do the work, not time to talk.

Exactly.

So it's your impression, because to me, I've been using this word a lot, say, but the bellwether, the thing that tells us whether or not Trump is serious in his rhetoric is whether Kennedy ends up in a cabinet position.

To me, that's the whole ball game.

Right now, the betting market has it at 60-40, so Betters thinks 60% chance he'll end up with some cabinet position, not no one in particular.

Do you think that this is going to happen or do you sense a betrayal coming?

I think that's ultimately the question here.

So do you see him getting in the cabinet?

And then the second aspect is, do you see him being put in a broom closet on the cabinet?

Because those are the two possibilities that would be negative.

the one possibility being positive would be him actually getting a position at the cabinet, right?

Yeah, I'm 50-50 on it.

50-50 on positive versus negative.

I think a position at the broom closet is also a negative.

Yeah.

And I don't.

Can

you guys explain the broom closet thing to me?

I'm not sure.

I'm quite tracking.

Yeah.

If Kennedy, if Trump gave Kennedy a position in the cabinet that ultimately didn't have any say over anything, he wasn't at the tables.

He wasn't at the meetings.

You know, he, he, he by status has something to maybe make his followers feel satiated.

But in reality, he doesn't have any actual power.

That's what I'm thinking of being.

Sure.

There's different levels of appointments.

And if it's a lower level appointment as opposed to.

kind of being a chair in something in more

power.

Yeah, when the rubber hits the road, just Kennedy stick around is really the question.

Like Steve Bannon, for example, Steve Bannon was in the original Trump administration.

Not officially, I don't think, well, I can't remember his status, but he was eventually removed when a conflict came between Bannon and Kushner, Bannon left.

So the question is, does Kennedy have the same status as Bannon, or does he actually have status?

I would even push it further.

I think my my bellwether isn't even whether he gets

It's whether or not the childhood vaccine schedule comes under serious federal scrutiny.

You know, I think there's other people in the administration who are also on this kind of like crunchy Republican side.

I'm thinking of like Cali and Kerry means, for instance, that their primary focus is on nutrition and the ways in which

like we have a bunch of ingredients processed food that other countries just don't allow and we do that because of these kind of structural incentives.

So I think that there's that's

one

angle, the vaccine schedules, another angle, that's what I'm hoping for.

So I actually think we should have an entire episode on the vaccine schedule, which I'm happy to lead before I get fired.

Ross, did you think that was a good time for

him?

Yeah, yeah, I think that's a good spot for the break and you guys maybe did help clarify with what was said that I can't remember if this was Trump's victory speech or one shortly before that he said something like Bobby Kennedy, he kind of recognized him and he said, yep, yeah, you get health, but you leave defense to me.

No defense.

I'll take care of defense.

You don't worry about that.

I don't know if you guys remember that speech, but now it makes more sense because of

what you just said on your background on foreign policy, that must have been what he was alluding to, that I didn't know that was one of Bobby's like, let's say, hot button issues, the way you just articulated it.

So that makes a little more sense why he said it the way he did it.

I don't know if you remember that.

Yeah, I think we should talk about this after the break,

because

I've got some thoughts.

There's the cliffhanger, folks.

We'll be back in just a

bit.

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Okay, so we're back and I was kicking up stuff on that Peter wanted to get two cents in.

So what were you thinking, Peter?

Yeah, so Russ, you mentioned before the break and we might be thinking of different speeches.

The speech that I remember where Trump was talking about Kennedy, he said, Kennedy can do whatever he wants with health if I'm giving him my complete reign there.

So he could talk about health, but he'd leave the oil to me.

That's the subject.

Maybe

it was oil.

Maybe it was oil.

And so

I think what

I

energy or

maybe energy.

Yeah, I heard one, I'm sure that it was oil as well.

And I think that has to do with like the fact that Kennedy along with his worry about Kennedy has kind of like he's just a very crunchy all around, right?

He's very worried about the intelligence agencies.

He's very worried about health.

And with health comes big pharma, big ag and big energy.

Like these are his three kind of

had areas.

And so Kennedy is really historically anti-oil.

He just is.

And so this is one area that I disagree with Kennedy though.

I imagine that if I peel back the layers a little bit, I probably have a little skepticism towards government's relationship with oil companies too.

Like I'd have to look into detail more.

But I generally am very pro-energy.

I think that even if there are secondary effects, I'm more worried about

the people who are opposed to energy than the people than big energy.

That's that's my take.

But regardless, I think what what Trump is saying is Kennedy Trump's admission basically is Kennedy is bad on energy, but he's fine on health and stuff.

And so I don't see that as a problem.

That's

actually my biggest worry about Kennedy is his sort of obsession with the environmental movement.

I think that's maybe his biggest blind spot in terms of these like really big coordinated ideological movements.

Is it the environmental stuff?

I think for good reasons.

I don't think he's he's blind on it for bad reasons.

But

So, I'm generally favorable towards Trump's interpretation there.

Like, I actually smiled when he said, leave the oil to me.

We've got the best oil.

We've got them more than Russia, you know?

I smiled when Trump went down that ramp.

Well, and before you jump in, Justin, the other thing that the listeners should be clear on, I think, is Robert Kennedy's coming from a very libertarian, limit government, like, let's take a lot of the government-structured

Down more so than Trump.

I wouldn't consider Trump necessarily a limited government guy He just wants action in different places than what the Democrats would so I think there's an interesting I don't know if it's possibly attention or not with what Kennedy might want to do versus Somebody else.

I don't think Kennedy's that Libertarian.

I think they're both like kind of libertarian ish and Trump is more like lean's more Republican

Better business better business bureau libertarian and Kennedy kind of leans like left crunchy libertarian They both see more of a role for the state than I would then I do but I think they are both real perceptively skeptical of the state in areas where the state is just out of control currently and So yeah with Peter my what I was going to say about your comment on Trump.

I'm saying leave it to me is that I

The interview that I heard where he was doing that, he was explicitly talking about energy policy.

It seems like they're on the same page with regard to a lot of foreign policy.

In fact, I think that's one of the reasons they like each other.

The fact, I'm sorry to interrupt just and the fact that he says this about oil actually reassures me that Trump is genuine about Kennedy because if he were trying to just play this game of like courting the Kennedy supporter but keeping it at arm's length, like either that comment wouldn't be necessary or he would say it about Kennedy on like all the controversial issues, right?

So it

strikes me that for Trump to say, leave the oil to me, but you can do the health stuff.

That strikes me as Trump being actually a true believer in Kennedy on that stuff.

And actually, Trump has some history that indicates that too, right?

Just like, you know, all the comments that he's made and stuff like that.

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