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KXEL Presents: The Jacobsen Group Podcast - October 14, 2023
The Jacobsen Group with Jon Jacobsen · Mon Oct 16, 2023
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with you here on our weekly medical segment and we are so proud of our very own Dr. Edward Fogarty, Ted Fogarty, originally from Omaha and of course he is a national trailblazer in medicine such that he will be inducted into the Omaha Central High School Hall of Fame this upcoming week and I'll tell you
Listen to this guy's accomplishments again.
Guys of all, listen to us.
That has navigated us so successfully through COVID in hyperbaric therapy.
And Dr. Ted Fogarty, after graduating from the University of Chicago, Fogarty received his medical degree from UNMC and completed radiology residency at Creighton University as chair of the radiology department at the University of North Dakota.
He advanced multiple innovations in clinical imaging and in medical education.
Fogarty's neuroimaging collaboration with Professor of Emergency Medicine, Paul Harch, MD at LSU has validated hyperbaric medicine protocols for the reversal of subacute and chronic neurological injury, including dementia.
In 2020, Dr. Fogarty received a federal CARES Act grant
to implement cover measures against COVID-19 based on the work of Central alum, Albert Trump, MD, published the journal, Antiviral Research, Hyperbaric Eden for an eagle's nest view of Fogarty's best medical photojournalism.
We welcome back to the show with our studio audience and great appreciation
and congratulations to Dr. Ted Fogarty.
Thank
you.
Thank you, John.
Thank you so much.
And, um, I just, it's, it's an honor that I am just starting to grasp the significance of, uh, you know, I grew up in the same, same neighborhood as Henry Fonda,
who he
would run around with.
He would run around with my, my, uh, grandmother Margaret Dono Fogarty's brother in, uh, in the old cathedral parish neighborhood in Jocelyn Castle.
19 teams.
Wow.
Wow.
A century later, you done good.
You made your family proud, Ted Fogarty.
Well, you know, I really have to give, as I think, you know, medicine is such a collaborative effort, especially when you're on the inner innovation front.
I have to give so much thanks and praise to Dr. Albert Crum, who I literally had a virtual fellowship with him.
over the last, you know, eight years, seven, eight years since, since I met him to the Omaha Central Alumni Network is actually my, my former football coach, William Reed, first African-American coach in Nebraska High School football history who got us together back in 2016.
Wow.
And, and.
And so, and going back to my relationship with Dr. Harge on the hyperbaric side, that came about because of small town, North Dakota, Bismarck, North Dakota, and Carrington, North Dakota connections in state government with a dear friend of mine, Linda Butz, who was the Department of Transportation Secretary in North Dakota.
When she heard I was doing this hyperbaric.
recovery work on my son Riley with autism.
She picked up the phone and got with her network out to one of our US Navy's chief structural engineers and hyperbaric engineers from the 1970s, Steve Reimers, who then got me down to Dr. Harch because this whole community, this little niche community of hyperbaric
neurological regenerative medicine recovery system needed an imager needed somebody with gold standard imaging techniques and protocols and work and work up and a little bit of artistry here and there that could convey to the the rest of medicine and especially our our family practice docs and and uh
Docs basically boots on the ground.
Docs convey through the imaging.
This really works.
This is not some sort of snake oil thing that we...
We are reversing dementia.
We are taking severely anoxic brain injured children and getting them walking and talking again.
And, you know, the one big media hit that Dr. Harch and I had from out of hyperbaric was the use of hyperbaric air therapy, not oxygen, air therapy, in recovering Eden Carlson and this little baby girl who had a near drowning event.
And in 2016, Dr. Harch
You know, just an amazing understanding of all oxygen-related issues in medicine told Eden's mom to put her on just a little bit of nasal cannula oxygen every day for an hour after she got released from Arkansas Children's Hospital and was in a semi-vegetative state.
You wouldn't believe it, John.
This is all kind of captured on USA Today's website from the review of that particular case back in 2017, but Eden started literally tracking mom and broke a smile with the first hour of just having two liters of nasal cannula oxygen going into her airways after she had gotten out of the hospital a month after this horrible injury.
And you just look at this from the perspective of even just a lay person.
It's like, why has this whole very natural paradigm, extremely natural paradigm of supercharging our own genes from God above to regenerate brain tissue?
Why has this been hidden?
It's been suppressed.
And I mean, to be honest with you, having been...
Having been in the national media with Dr. Hartz on this one case, and that's the only time we had international and national media exposure was the Eden Carlson case.
And the
work of this physician, Dr. Hartz, for 40 years he's been doing this for 40 years in New Orleans.
And he's been called snake oil salesman and voodoo medicine guy.
And I
come along and validate all of it on the most scientific imaging platform.
And yet still nobody knows about it, right?
I mean, people are starting to get to know about this because, you know, athletes like Novak Djokovic, using hyperbaric, all these people outside of the establishment medicine are athlete crowd.
They're coming around.
So there is a grassroots movement that our research has started.
And in the midst of all of this, Dr. Crum is teaching me how
called hyperbaric oxygen therapy and glutathione amino acid precursor medicine is a marriage made in heaven.
And now get this, our good friend and colleague, Dr. David Hartsuch, he has picked up this baton of understanding and he is taking all of these concepts that I've been teaching him to the next level.
and David Hartsuch, anybody out there in eastern Iowa listening to John and I, if you are in need of expert astute care and your doctors have told you that there's no way, there's nothing you can do about XYZ.
I don't care what it is.
I want you to pick up the phone and call Dr. David Hartsuch and go see him if you're out there east of Waterloo.
Yeah, the four-legged stool, harts, crumb, hartsuch.
And you, Ted Fogarty, we're very proud of you.
I'm sure your mom is looking down and smiling at her boy and the great accomplishments.
And amazing how vindicated you have been.
There's nothing more HVEDIS elite or mainstream or quitey, quitey socially than that Omaha Central nexus in Omaha.
And for you,
uh with this innovative medicine that went contra the bogus fouchyism that that was such a train wreck and disaster for our nation what does it feel like to be so vindicated now in so many different multiple venues dr fogarty
it's it's incredible but it is my um passionate urgency and really passionate urgency to get this message out
And our strategic communications, John, has been so important in educating people across the Northern Plains on the importance of, in particular, the North Dakota CARES Act grants and its auspices of teaching across state lines how intracellular glutathione levels are literally possibly the most important biochemical gradients in all of our bodies, not just for regenerating tissues in...
injured brains, but according to Dr. Albert Crumb's patent that came down in Canada on my mother's 77th, what would have been my mother's 77th birthday, February 19th of 2020, under CA 296131, Dr. Albert Crumb wrote the answers to every pandemic in that patent, and his patents also describe the major arm of how hyperbaric medicine works.
And so even listening to me, please, this is a matter of urgency in the biosecurity of our families and our nation and our great Americans all across the Midwest.
Please go to thebestimmunesupport.com, which is Dr. Trump's distributor in New York.
And Mr. Joe Casarino, he picks up the phone as a distributor and talks to all of the people I've been sending him from North Dakota and South Dakota who don't have.
who do not have computers.
There's a whole bunch of elderly folks out there in the northern plains that I believe that they're listening to me on the radio stations up there and they need this nutritional support.
It's the safest, quote unquote, medical intervention I've ever done.
Wow.
It's to just recommend people to take two scoops of proimmune immune formulation 200 from dbestimmunesupport.com every day.
and that will protect you from a lot of things.
Dr. Crumb's research in the medical literature, he's only got seven reports.
I've only got seven reports, but the two of us combined have two touchdowns worth of the most important information ever published.
Wow.
Guys, this is so important.
Dr. Fogarty, we bring you back weekly on all three of our networks, but we want to again extend our...
heartiest congratulations.
I will be there a Thursday night celebrating with you in the Omaha Central High School Alumni Hall of Fame.
Congratulations to our studio audience again on their feet for you.
Dr. Fogarty.
Thank you, John.
Ted Fogarty, vindicated.
He's the man, and we'll have him and Heart Such joining us on our next program.
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second Saturday in a big 10 October Jacobson group time here on Saturday morning.
John Jacobson yours truly here.
What a spectacular show we've got coming up today and anchoring this show for us are my wonderful colleagues here on KXEL.
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And folks, we are commercial free.
Thanks to Barb Hames, and Doctors Ted Fogarty, and David Hartsuch.
We're your pre, pre, pre-pre game.
for the Iowa Hawkeyes later this morning in a very important tilt against Wisconsin.
And of course, what's been on everybody's minds, the war in Gaza.
We're going to look at that from various different vantage points with updates there.
Mike Shane is our studio engineer.
My colleagues in studio, the great ones, Scott Corey and Chip Reedman.
Scott, political consultant, agribusinessman, Chip Reidman, he's kind of our Iowa State Nebraska fan, as I'm the U of I law alum, and Scotty has friends in high places there in Hawkeye land.
And the reason this show flows so beautifully is the great Mike Shane, the stoic, impervious, calm, cool, and collected engineer who splices and dices
Without error he has the best ringtone ever because he's been a radio guy for a long time and listen to this classic Scottie, that's a ringtone
man.
That sure is John.
It's just one of those Emily mine I guess symbols.
It's almost like the tonight's show here
Johnny You
know Star Trek, you know, we're Captain Kirk's coming on stage with that
I agree.
I think that that thing is probably copyrighted.
I'm waiting for somebody
I think in the public domain, that
thing is so old.
I know for a fact that that started rolling out on another friendly set of airwaves in the 1950s, Mr. Shane, if I'm not mistaken.
So I think that's public domain and always under the fair use doctrine.
Good cover.
Oh fair use.
That's a legal background he would have.
Yeah trust
me fair use doctrine we're covered.
He could play that for five minutes and we'd be good.
Especially when we comment on it.
Speaking of commenting we're gonna march into the trenches.
Well guys on another show last week we were live with yours truly in Kinnock and guys I'm delighted at the Hawkeye win but I still think we're close to 131st best offense in the country and
The fans are restless at Kinnock Scott Corey.
They are John and you know as we talked about on this show and some of the others that we do on our sister stations The offense is what the offense is and the program will not change until the day Kirk decides to call it a day and you know We are getting closer and closer to the day when Kirk decides to ride off into the sunset, but at the same time
We cannot take for granted what Kirk has meant to the program, but also what Phil Parker, the defensive coordinator at Iowa, as well as the Warwoods have put together.
They are basically holding that program together right
now.
And they're playing 45 out of 60 minutes as defense.
was getting gassed again, but they still pull themselves up off the carpet made plays when they needed to.
Absolutely.
And, you know, we talk a lot about the play calling.
You know, there's a lot of questionable play calling, especially there.
You know, Cooper DiGene made that tremendous pick almost had to pick six, got the ball, I think, down to the three yard line.
And then the offense goes into shotgun with a 265 pound quarterback
made no sense to me
whatsoever.
Yeah.
Well, you and the crowd,
the crowd was channeling your thoughts.
Yeah.
And, uh,
Let's just say some of my thoughts would not have been approved by the FCC, but at the same time...
Well, the air was blue at that juncture.
I actually saw blue smoke wafting through the air.
Yeah, and so, you know, there's a lot of things that we can criticize on the play calling and the schematics, but at the same time...
When the players especially the wide receivers are throwing the ball and some of them were you know overthrown or under thrown We know there's a lot of that going on But a lot of them were playing drops the last two weeks and that's strictly on them Chip Reedman it kind of concerns me that you know I've said for three years what is going on in that offensive Team team meetings throughout the week.
They're just not prepared.
It seems like
But at the same time, it is what it is.
I'm still sticking with my 10-2 record.
We have a big game later today up in Camp Randall, but let's not forget.
Tomorrow afternoon Sunday afternoon.
We have 52,000 Iowa fans storming Kinnick Stadium to watch Caitlyn Clark and the Lisa Bluters Iowa Hawkeyes in a scrimmage against the Paul There is so much excitement around the University of Iowa right now and in the program Let's not forget whoever basically wins later today at Camp Randall between Iowa and Wisconsin They are in the inside track for the Big Ten West championship and I said this is a must-win game for Curt Fair
The weather is supposed to be nasty.
I think this plays into Kirk's hands, especially with Phil Parker.
It should slow down the Wisconsin passing attack.
And, you know, if we get into a slug festival, I think it could be.
I'm still going with LaVar Woods and Phil Parker's game plan.
By the way, Reedman got introduced with his Iowa State fight song and he's wearing that Creighton bluebird sweatshirt.
So I, we were talking to Tom Selene before the show.
You may have the last laugh.
These Creighton fans think they might be able to take our men's team at 9 p.m.
in the evening here coming up in a month or two.
In a month, isn't it?
Yeah, about a month.
Yeah, for the Gavik Big 10, Big East championship game, or championships.
It's going to be played at CHI Center in Omaha.
Well, guys, day by day.
I'm not looking that far down the road.
We got to buy this weekend in Lincoln, so it's like I'm not even thinking about stuff that's happening that far down the road.
Scott, you said an awful lot.
There's a lot to impact there.
I guess the first thing I can say, maybe it's one of two ways, either you feel my pain or I feel your pain.
with what I was going through because obviously Nebraska's been struggling.
The only difference is at least you're five and one.
You've got to say that, and I'm sure it's all Parkers, what you would probably tell everybody if it weren't for him and his defense, you wouldn't be five and one.
So there's something to be said about that.
However, we have been talking for a couple years now easily that Kirk's time could be coming to an end.
When does he do it?
Does he do it when he's going out on top?
You know, he's got a 5-in-1 record, unless he loses every game the rest of the year, which I don't see happening anywhere to leave.
Then he'll be going out in the bottom.
It's just interesting how long this talk has been going on, that at some point he's going to retire.
It's always an age question.
So I guess we're just going to have to see what happens after this year.
He will not fire his son.
I think we've agreed on that, either on the radio or on the side.
It won't come from his lips.
So he's just going to have to live and die with the kid.
I really feel sorry for the situation.
But it's going to be interesting.
I know I said day by day that there is a game between Nebraska and Iowa coming up at the end of the season.
And I know of John on the side in conversations over the phone has bemoaned the fact that I was already lost the game.
And we haven't played yet.
I really worry about that game.
As
I am today, we're playing on Wisconsin, and you have real estate in Wisconsin.
So you're on the thick of things today, you're Wisconsin, you're Iowa State, you're Crantys, you're the perfect
guy to have way in.
Well, my house is, my wife is up in Wisconsin right now, been up there, will be up there for about a month.
because of stuff that's been going on up there.
So, I've got relatives up there.
I've always liked Wisconsin.
I don't know why.
Maybe it's a Green Bay thing, because I've always been a Green Bay family.
I did
scout camp up
there
at Rice Lake and fell in love with it up there.
It
was very nice.
Yeah, my son went to a camp to Somos, which is up near Rhinelander, up in that area.
It's the number one scout camp in the world.
It's phenomenal.
It's a place, if you're a dad and you've got to kick scouts, you've got to go to that campsite.
It's just a hoot.
Yeah, you were a scout leader.
You've been up there.
Yes.
Yes, I have one trip.
No, two trips.
I think I'm not there.
Yeah.
Do you ever get up by boundary waters?
Was that
one?
They did.
I did not.
I did it when I was a kid.
Okay.
When I was in scouts.
So I've been in Canada illegally, probably.
I went through the waters up there.
Well, there are a lot of people in Canada illegally these days.
And in Mexico, we'll talk about that a little bit later in the show here.
Predictions for today, Scott.
My heart says it's going to be Iowa 17, Wisconsin 14.
My head says it's the other way around.
I do believe it's going to be a slugfest.
It's going to be an homage to basically the old Wisconsin-Iowa games.
You know, you made a comment about how similar Wisconsin is.
Let's not forget Wisconsin and Barry Elvarez was modeled under Iowa and Hayden Fry and built that program.
No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
He's on the record.
No, no, he's on the record.
He's on the record saying he
model Nebraska.
It's on the
record.
That's why their colors and their
uniforms even match Nebraska.
But
let's not forget Barry Alvarez coached under Hayden Frye.
He didn't coach
yet.
Hey, with those three great years of 30 wins when I was there now, I can't believe I'm saying this 40 years ago, essentially, but 85, 86, and 87.
Barry Alvarez was down there and he was a pretty good recruiter, too.
He grabbed Larry Station right out of Omaha Central.
Yeah, absolutely.
And so I think at the end of the day, it will be a slug fest.
And that's the way the Big Ten West should be.
I know there's a lot of people making a lot of national fun at the Big Ten West, but that's the way football is meant to be played.
It has evolved, and we would like to see Iowa's offense evolve, too.
I guess you need an offense about in the 70s.
That's all I really need.
Yeah, it reminds me of the Lauterberg Cummings offense.
That's why
It's still scary
to me.
That's 70's off.
You say it's evolved, but I don't know if it's evolved in a positive direction, unfortunately.
You know, Nebraska has been struggling for a while, but they're new to the West.
They've lived about 10 years now.
Illinois is struggling.
Purdue has its ups and downs.
Minnesota, I think everyone laughs at that program.
Somehow he succeeds, but they don't succeed very far.
So I'm not sure about the progress of the West because the East has dominated them so much.
Well, I think it's a combination of a couple of different things, but at the same time, we have to realize too, the West is coming to an end.
coming to an end
at the end of this football
season
because we
have the Washington, Oregon, UCLA and USC programs coming in.
So we're, it's gonna be a very interesting hodgepodge moving forward.
I know I'm looking forward to some of those teams, especially USC coming into Kinnick in November.
I think that's gonna be tremendous.
So there's a lot of excitement out there.
But the reason I bring up USC, UCLA, Washington, Oregon is it was reported this week, national news.
that it was very interesting that on this program, John and Chip, that you and I talked about what was going on in some of those meetings with the presidents and chancellors of the Big Ten.
And I said, there's somebody out there that they're referring to that has his hands in the tilt.
That man was former Big Ten Commissure Jim Delaney.
You called it, Scott.
Jim Delaney was disannounced
that
he was advising the Big Ten presidents and chancellors to make a run.
You called it,
Scott.
And he has also said,
that he is keeping his eyes on the ACC.
Let's not forget Jim Delaney tried to get Virginia and North Carolina a few years ago when we we plucked Maryland out of
the
ACC.
So this is still Jim Delaney's Big Ten.
This is still Jim Delaney's world that we're living in and we're very grateful for it.
But as we said, the Big Ten is evolving with the new schools coming in next year.
So it's going to be very interesting.
We're going to roll in here with
A huge interview going to some current events here, but I do want to say this a tip of the hat To the lovelin gracious young miss Caitlyn Clark Who comports herself continuously with so much grace and dignity and generosity of spirit?
Signing autographs interminably posing for photos interminably graciously happily and She uplifted that stadium
She uplifted the parade route the night before.
Scott, you said months ago that she was on a plane with Nile Kinnick.
I think perhaps she has transcended even that her accessibility and taking that role on with Zest and she's
She's living in a moment, and she knows it's a precious moment, and she's giving back.
I just think the world of this young lady.
You know,
it's tremendous what Caitlin Clark has done, but also we'd be remiss if we did not say so much of this is attributed to not only Caitlin, but also her family, her structure around her.
They
are great people.
They're from Des Moines, her maternal grandfather, coach at Boys Town for many years.
She was
peripherally related to the diocese schools that I was chairing the board for when she's at St.
Treese's.
Oh, she's a good Catholic girl.
She is a good Catholic girl.
And Italian Catholic on her mom's side of the family, they're just, they're
They're really great people and they're very close in it.
She's very close to her brothers,
you know, and then also what coaches Lisa Bluter and Jan Jensen are doing, you know, in a lot of ways to protect her from being overexposed, but she has such a great base and support system around her chip agreement.
And it was just announced here in the last week or so.
Katelyn Clark is the first college athlete, NIL, to be supported by State Farm.
I mean, that is huge.
That is huge.
State Farm, the
one that does Patrick McCoh...
Mahomes, you know, Aaron Rodgers, Kelsey, the whole nine yards.
That tells you she's on a different playing level of any man or woman when it comes to sports right now.
But what she means not only to the state of Iowa, the University of Iowa, but also to this collegiate sports in general.
It's amazing.
Yeah, talking to the co-eds on campus and interviewing them before the game last week.
even the the the co-eds where the women on campus were saying oh we got a girl crush on Caitlyn and we got her back and kind of better she's dating Connor McCaffrey they're all emotionally invested with this young lady and as well as with Gabby Marshall and the rest of that crew there there's a bond there and I think they're gonna have at least 50,000
at Kinnock for the game.
So I didn't know it was State Farm.
I did see the headland or something.
She got a deal and seeing that it was State Farm is impressive.
And of course they're already practicing now.
I mean, for the season upcoming and everything, I wonder if they had time to slip in any commercials where she'd be with Mahomes or
something.
Yeah, I think it's to be determined.
I think there are some commercials out there with Patrick Mahomes and things along those lines.
So it just shows you how far this has evolved in the last three years, especially with the NIL, name, image, likeness.
But Caitlin Clark, I mean, she had ESPN, Steven A. Smith come in and interview her and highlight her last week during the homecoming parade and events.
That tells me that even the national media understands what she means not only to ratings, but also the state of Iowa and women's sports.
And she's basically the face of women's sports.
She might even be the face of all of basketball.
She won the Naismith, which is the top athlete, period.
I'll tell you what.
Anyone from the national media that comes into Iowa City against a backlit old capital Dark at night with the bands playing the music and all the kids gathered on the penta crest University of Iowa in autumn is quintessential collegiate Midwestern America.
I'm really proud of our state and and I'm proud of
You know, I've got all sorts of family Nebraska too.
That Midwest Ethos carries over across the Missouri River to Chip Regan.
Oh, I agree.
I think Nebraska fans are definitely behind her.
Anytime you can see a woman that excels to a level that she's excelled to.
Well, you've done it with your volleyball program.
You have the premier.
You've got the premier volleyball program
in the world.
Yes.
Well, there's no doubt about that.
And we had, well, when NIL was first got going,
in the country.
Kept
in with you
guys right away.
The women's volleyball team definitely had a couple players.
One of them wasn't even a starter her last year because she kind of just got beat up by some of the other players, but they definitely started raking in the money early on that program and doing advertising.
Yeah, you could say from the NIL standpoint, the Nebraska women's volleyball are leaders in that whole endeavor.
Well, the excitement about Caitlyn Clark and this Iowa team that Lisa Bluter is putting out on the court this year is going to be amazing.
Not only is Carver Hawk and Irina sold out for the first time ever in women's basketball history, but think of the fans and the attention that will be coming to Ames when Clark takes the stage there at Hilton Coliseum, or they go into Lincoln or Madison or Ann Arbor.
I mean, it is going
to be must-see TV and it's gonna be amazing and I really and I say this with true genuine angst in a lot of ways I hope that Clark
Relishes what she's
under
the pressure that she's
under.
I
hope her teammates are there to support her Not only on the playing field, but mentally behind the stage too because there's a lot of pressure on this young one But I think she will excel in it and she will do us so much proud.
So talking about
the team we've had this conversation a while back They lost their center.
Yep, you know, do they have anyone to replace that?
It's gonna be hard to replace
Monica Zano.
So I mean, what does it look like on that?
She can't do it carry the whole thing by herself
That's
true.
Yeah, I think they have done a good job of recruiting.
I look for Hannah Stokey to have a huge season this year.
I like her.
But let's not forget the sizzle, the sparkle of the whole program is not only Caitlin Clark, but it's going to be Gabby Marshall.
How Gabby Marshall plays this year and the amount of tenacity she plays on with defense will say a lot how far this team can go.
And even Clark is mentioning that it was Gabby Marshall's defense that made
that run through Louisville and things along those lines.
Gabby Marshall should get NIL just for those beautiful eyes.
I'm gonna say it guys.
She better ensure those.
Those are the greatest eyes since Betty Davis.
Okay Scott, here we go
again
after the
last
one.
I think it's safe to
say Mrs. Jacobson is not listening
to today's program.
I'm not.
I remember he was commenting about all the blonde co-heads he was talking to last week.
You even, okay, you're paying attention,
aren't you?
Yeah, but no, it's an exciting time around Kinnick Stadium at Carver Hawk Arena.
And, you know, there's going to be a lot of excitement moving forward.
But we're, you know, Chip Riedman, as you mentioned, we're halfway through the football season.
The basketball teams are ramping up.
The Iowa wrestling program is ramping up.
You know, the volleyball team is ramping up in Lincoln.
So it's an exciting time here in the Midwest.
And I look forward to the basically the sprint for the next eight weeks.
When is Iowa's bye?
We are after the Minnesota game
so
two weeks two weeks.
Yes,
that'll be good timing guys speaking of good timing That's our great sports segment.
We're gonna now veer into some news here on what's been an incredible Newsworthy
week across the globe.
Coming up next, Nathaniel
Govronsky.
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A sad and tragic week.
A sad and tragic week this week.
What happened over in Gaza, the unprovoked attack, murders, kidnappings, rapes, tortures of Israelis in Gaza brings back
historical recollections of mine old guy that I am I remember the 67 war when Israel was attacked the 73 war the six days war when Israel was attacked I remember the murder of the Israeli athletes at the Munich games in 72 and The world recoiled this week seeing infants beheaded
Seeing young children shot, murdered in front of their siblings and parents, elderly people murdered, husbands and wives murdered in front of their families, bloodstained cribs, horrific, taking evil really to a new level.
In terms of warfare, there's always been that idea of never targeting noncombatants and always being able to discriminate between combatants and noncombatants.
And this unprovoked attack, which was very well planned, including the murders of hundreds at the Rave Music Concert, horrified the world.
For a little perspective on this Nathaniel Gavronsky joins us.
Nathaniel is an historian and also an expert and world traveler on foreign affairs.
Nathaniel spends a lot of time in Iowa, although he's a world traveler.
and he's in our nation's capital lot.
He's in New York City a lot, but he's in Iowa a lot.
He is a true citizen lobbyist who's always lobbying on behalf of the people, of the folks.
That's why I liked Nathaniel so much when I was in the Iowa legislature.
He was there for the little guy, the little gal.
And Nathaniel, thanks for joining us.
Sober discussion today.
What can you bring to the table as a recap
of what we've seen this week, Nathaniel, and what caused it, and just your ruminations and thoughts, your reflections, as an American citizen, and also as a Jewish American.
Well, the recap will be easy.
The historical perspective would take an entire episode.
But just as a quick recap, it came out today, we believe that this attack was that has been planned since the
Afghan, it's debacle under the Biden administration, where it showed that America was at its peak weakness point.
So at its exact nadir, as far as power under the Afghan withdrawal.
And so the planning for this started taking place back then.
This wasn't something that was planned overnight.
And I hope everyone understands that the logistics of getting these gliders, getting the equipment together, the targeted place that they want to hit, the music festival,
I mean, this took a lot of planning.
This was years in planning, something like this, but it would take years to plan.
As far as the recap, since the initial attack, you have seen Israel's defense forces garner up along the border of the Gaza Strip, some 300,000 strong, and they're not even done putting it together yet.
They are having some incursions still from the Palestinian Hamas in the south.
So, I mean, Israel itself is still dealing with an invasionary force on its southern border along the northern border of Gaza.
You have Hezla in southern Lebanon, who is now also launching a missile attack into Israel.
And one of the things Israel is being concerned about is, in 2014, a similar situation happened where a conflict broke out on the Gaza Strip, and Israel had to execute its forces in the south, and then Hezbollah took the opportunity to start launching attacks in the north.
And so, speaking with members of the Israeli consulate last night, one of the things that they're worried about
They have the Golden Heights, they have the West Bank, they have the Northern Territories along Lebanon and the Gaza Strip.
And they are worried that once they start moving into Gaza that they will be hit on a second front by another power.
And they are trying to share up their defenses in Israel itself.
Every person and I do mean every person who was able bodied and able to fight and being stood up and putting it put into a uniform So this is going to be they a complete nationwide Mobilization
here with Nathaniel Gavronsky On this great Saturday here.
So you would talk to them on Thursday night.
It sounds like Nathaniel
We the U win has been given a 24-hour evacuation notice
So the UN will be evacuating its personnel from northern Gaza.
Also, the Israelis are trying to give the citizens the average everyday peaceful person, which there are multiple peaceful Palestinians who are into all this violence.
They don't want it.
Their families are also suffering from it.
They don't please we're asking you to leave.
We want you to go to the southern part of Gaza Now once they get there, I mean Israel's not gonna stop I mean, I don't want people to think that Israel's just going to get in there and you know take the north and flush them out No, this is this is the way Israel is planning this They're going to completely remove this problem
Israel is very dedicated to its citizens.
Even if they're dead, they will retrieve them at all costs.
In fact, I think this policy is actually part of the problem.
Back in 2006, one single Israeli soldier was captured and taken into Gaza.
Out of that, the Palestinians were able to trade that soldier off for over 50 Palestinian prisoners that held
by Israel because of terrorist behavior.
And also, you're seeing their major benefactor, which is Iran, that they have been able to, ever since the Obama administration, start forcing the U.S.
to pay them to release soldiers, our Navy soldiers, our sailors.
The British have given them within recent years millions, billions.
We just gave them six billion.
Qatar actually froze it last night.
And they're trying to say the U.S.
also was a part of this.
That's actually not true.
The Qatar government unilaterally froze the money.
And so it wasn't the U.S.
pushing this.
Qatar actually did it.
There are actually several Muslim nations that are friendly towards Israel, thanks to the Abraham Accords and Donald Trump.
That's kind of where we are today as far as
the
current situation.
Yeah.
Nathaniel, we got some questions and comments from some of our folks in the studio.
We're here with historian and commentator Nathaniel Govronsky, a foreign affairs expert, citizen lobbyist fighting for the little folks
In Iowa, I admire Nathaniel so much, who Nathaniel knows everybody.
He's built bridges with everybody.
Nathaniel, before I kick it to Scott and Chip, you've met with Arabic and Israeli leaders and visit with him, have you not?
Yeah, I've actually met Bibi, actually about a year ago, I think.
I've been a little bit more than a year ago.
I've met BB and when living in the University of Iowa and I was sitting during the International Writing Program, a lot of Palestinian writers would come in and some of them have actually been part of the Israeli parliament.
They have been part of the Israeli parliament, they themselves are legislators and some of them have actually been part of the
Palestinian Authority, and I've discussed this topic with them for a number of years.
So yeah, and being Jewish, traveling through the area, I have met many, many Jews and many, many Muslims who live in the area.
All of them have dealt with the violence from these radical groups negatively.
But it's also the way they portray it.
It just makes it much harder to find the truth.
Sure, let's go with Scott Scott's got a question comment then chip readman
Scott.
Well, thanks for joining us this morning Nathaniel talk Just just real quickly about this because a lot of people are raising a lot of important questions right now That Hamas and his Bola were able to pull off such a large-scale attack on on Israel
But this seemed to happen under the noses of the Mossad, the Israeli intelligence, American intelligence, British intelligence, even Saudi Arabia and Egyptian.
You mean to tell me that all these intelligence agencies were caught sleeping at the switch on this deal?
Somebody had to know they were stockpiling these
weapons.
Well, Egypt was actually aware of it.
Egypt tried to warn Israel about them a couple of weeks ago that they believed something big was going to happen.
Okay, so the Egyptians knew about it, but what I'm saying is
Where was the United States on this?
Where was Britain?
Well, I'll be completely honest with you.
The United States and Britain are not as reliable of allies as you would might imagine, especially the British.
Because the British are the actual cause of this conflict.
The British promised the land during World War I to break away regions of the Ottoman Empire.
These people would become the Palestinians.
The name Palestine comes from Philistines, which were people there back in antiquity.
The British then promised the Israel, they're all in place, the same land, also during World War I. And the Americans, Arabic League, a number of people in the CIA are not all that friendly to Israel.
They prefer other options.
I can't go into all that I can tell you about the CIA and the number one recruiting place for the CIA in the country is the University of Iowa Law School.
A good chunk of the top leadership of the CIA that's not politically appointed is all from Iowa.
I know these people.
And I can tell you that within the organization as a whole, even if the Iowans aren't.
Organization as a whole is not all that pro-Israeli.
So you guys have to understand that there's agendas and beliefs within all these organizations.
And even within Israel itself, they didn't, that they really haven't given the attention to Hamas as they should.
So that's the reason we're having these problems now with intelligence.
Fascinating conversation with Nathaniel Govronsky
Before we close the segment, Chip, I know you've been drilled into this and have a question or comment.
You're going to be history buff yourself for Nathaniel Grzegorowski.
Yeah, I've, like you said, I do enjoy to a point learning a lot about history and things that happened in the past.
And one of the interesting things I listened to was Victor Davis Hansen in his World War II seminar classes that he had at Hillsdale College that you can get online.
So I'm looking, not what has happened in the past, but looking in the future.
So militarily I'm looking at the Gaza Strip and what is Israel going to do?
How are they going to go in there?
Are they going to go in?
If I got my bearings right, are they going to go in from the north?
Are they going to go in from the south?
Are they going to go in both ways like a pincher movement and then maybe go into the middle?
At some point they're going to have to go there and I hate to say it, they're probably going to have to go
House by house as they go through that area.
So when you get into that situation as we've learned the Palestinians don't care about their civilians Because when a building is gonna get bombed they'll just tell the people to stay there and let them get bombed rather than evacuate the building When you look at World War two people probably don't realize this 50 over 50 million civilians died in World War two These are these are from all the all the different countries most of them were Russian and Chinese so
I'm looking at the tables being turned at some point where the news media is going to start accusing Israel of barbarism, you know, killing innocents and stuff like that.
But it's a necessary, well I shouldn't, well it is, it's not, it's just necessary, it's just the way things go in war.
So do you have any comments as to what you see coming up and how they're going to be able to handle this?
Because there are going to be civilians getting killed.
War is a dirty business.
I don't feel comfortable sharing the exact tactics.
These are things I'm using in the movement to Gaza.
I have been told quite a bit of what the plan is, but I want to make sure that stays secretive for now.
I think it will find out within the next 72 hours what their initial plans are.
As far as the building, it was reported that the Israeli government has tried to warn people to move south.
and that we also know for a fact that the Hamas authorities, Hamas is a little democratically elected.
Hamas is chosen by the Palestinian people.
This is a democratically elected governing body in Gaza.
They have instructed the people, this is Israeli propaganda, they are listening to it, they are staying in their home shelter in place.
Also, if you want to look at the humanitarian crisis this brings up, the economist has not
Putin has not wasted this crisis.
The Economist has published, I think, around 10 or so articles about the Palestinian suffering, about the Palestinian buildings being bombed, the civilians being bombed.
But then they're showing the missiles being launched from Gaza into Israel from an apartment building, and then that apartment building getting blown up.
Well, of course there's civilians there because Hamas is using
human shield make the human shield all these civilians
we should point out Nathaniel we should point out to our listeners that We're we're visiting with you here on a Friday morning even though They're listening to replay this interview on a Saturday morning and then for the podcast We're coming up at the end of our segment Nathaniel.
Can you give us some words of wisdom going forward as this story?
isn't going to go away.
It's really sadly just beginning and in some ways is an iteration of yet another chapter in this ongoing saga.
Put a wrapping on this for us here, Nathaniel.
Where do we go from here?
I
wish I could tell you there was a simple ending.
We're coming up against basic primal human nature of in-group and
If you want to understand more about the human nature, the psychology of it, read up on the Stanford Prison experiment and understand that these people have their own facts and they're not shared.
The Palestinians believe the land was stolen from them.
The Israelis believe the land was stolen from them and they were forcefully ripped from the land.
The problem is that both of them have some degree of truth.
in their belief, and that's going to make this something that's not going to be solved, nor, apparently, without the complete annihilation of one side or the other, and no one should want that.
Correct.
That's very wise, Nathaniel, and very humane as
as you are such a good person.
We're going to bring you back, Nathaniel.
We already had you on one of our other networks.
There's another one I think you'll be joining later as well.
Our studio audience, very appreciative of Nathaniel Govronsky.
Nathaniel, travel safely.
We look forward to seeing you again here in Iowa very soon, my friend.
Nathaniel Govronsky, ladies and gentlemen.
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Welcome back here folks as we've been looking at world events today after we did our tour of our collegiate football cavalcade Hawkeyes as you know up here later on today Up at camp Randall where they do the jump around and tough place to play up there at camp Randall, but That's recreation and we've been talking about what a Sad week it's been here
across the world with violence again, flaring up the Middle East.
And we're joined by Vincent Campos, United States military veteran who served over in the Middle East.
And Vincent, I know you come at this from a couple different angles.
Thanks for joining the show.
Your thoughts and reflections on what we've seen this week.
It's Saturday morning now here.
uh... and uh... uh... eastern ireland particular uh... catching this broadcast vincent your thoughts
well the first thing i'd like to say is uh... uh... john thank you for having me on the show uh... in regards to my thoughts i'd like to say that uh... first i condemn any violence whether it's by amass or the israeli government i condemn any violence and that should be condemned by anybody and everybody so that's the first thing i want to uh...
I
appreciate that and I think you're in very good stead with most of the folks.
As I grew up in Cedar Rapids, Marion area, I was always struck by how well the Muslim and Jewish communities coexisted in Cedar Rapids and Iowa City as well.
Iowa City and of course the first mosque in North America is from Cedar Rapids and I always remember my late great father
I saw him model in my own life, his kindness and the work he did to help both Jewish and Muslim families.
I admired him greatly for that.
So, I appreciate those comments.
Politically, where are we at here, Vincent?
I know we've got folks with different ideas across the political spectrum.
Well, for me, it's really about the foreign policy of the United States.
with what's ever going on in the world between Hamas, the Palestinians, or the Israeli government.
I really think that the United States should completely stay out of it.
When we get ourselves involved into these affairs, these foreign affairs, they tend to have some kind of backlash, or as the CIA would say, a blowback.
Whether that be supporting Hamas or the Palestinians or supporting the Israeli government, there will be a blowback.
and that can come in the form of us supporting with a financial aid with arms, sending our troops over there.
But above all else, I think there should not be none of our troops and military should be sent over there because that's just putting our sons and daughters in harm's
way.
Here with Vincent Campos.
Vincent, I was fascinated because we've done a lot of
Uh, examinations are in this show, uh, sometimes critically of deep Intel and our CIA.
And I've been reading a lot in the last week or so that basically there, there's still some redactions, but basically our CIA has come out and admitted it that they were part of that coup in Iran in 1953 that they removed the government installed the Shah.
There's been people that think that's happened, but the CIA is now basically admitting it.
Are they not?
Yes, I mean, they have.
I mean, it's documented and as time goes wrong, just like a lot of issues out there, more and more documents are being declassified on many things, on many, whether it's JFK, whether it's UFOs or on issues like this.
And so it just comes out to the village vigilance of the American people to understand this, see it and read it and take that to account for when a lot of these mishaps and foreign policy affairs happen that, you know, their result of some of the things that we have done in the past.
Vincent Campos, Vincent, you served over in the Middle East during the recent wars.
Is it fair to say that you saw things there that have steeled your determination to basically be anti-war and to have even more empathy for the civilian components of these geographies that are so riven with warfare and violence?
Absolutely.
I see the devastation that can happen to the civilian population within war.
People don't see, you know, we watch movies from Hollywood here in the United States, and we see the fighting, and that's all we see is the fighting.
But when it comes to war, there's so much more to it.
There's the ability of a mother being able to feed her child because there's no access to water, there's no access to milk, there's no access to food, things like that, because we bombed out their infrastructure.
You know, the ability of kids being taken care of because, you know, bombs,
murdered killed their parents You know things of that sort that we don't we don't take in consideration And also being people being homeless and out in the street Because their homes have been destroyed in miles So there's a big huge aspect of war that people don't consider and think about Other than just the fighting between soldiers and guns Also, I like to say that the term I really like to emphasize on it's non-intervention
I would say I'm more anti-war because in the sense that I think we should absolutely do all we can to avoid war in that sense, but I'm not a path to this.
I think we should take a non-intervention approach as Thomas Jefferson talked about in his writings and as most of the Founding Fathers advocated.
And so that's where I stand when it comes to foreign policy.
We got a question or comment.
In studio here from Chip Reedman for Vincent Compos, Chip.
Hi.
I'm glad on your, uh, the comment that you made, I think a lot of people agree with this, I think the majority of people agree with this, about not wanting to see U.S.
boots on the ground, see troops in there put in harm's way.
So, and I think you alluded to it, war is complex, this whole situation's complex.
So if I understand right, they've said that 17 Americans are being held hostage, at least I think that's what the State Department has said, and of course that's a guess, it may be higher.
So what would be your feeling from the standpoint of
Do we send troops in as a rescue mission?
You know, a SEAL Team 6, they fly in to try and get the people out if they know where they're at and then fly out.
What's your feeling about that situation?
Well, the first thing I'd say is I think our first approach will always definitely be diplomacy in regards to talking and discussing with whoever it is, whether it is the enemy.
And if we can get our hostages out of there through peace and without shock fire, that should be our first option.
But then as we negotiate, if we can't do that, then yes, in an extreme form, if that's what we have to do is send a special forces team in there to extract them out and then get out of there and then come home and bring those hostages home, then yes, then that's what we have to do.
I can't believe how fast this 10 minutes has gone.
This has been incredible.
Vincent, we've got to bring you back on periodically if you would honor us by your presence.
Vincent, I want to tell you, I've worked with you on some civic projects before.
I want to thank you for your service.
You had a tough road over there and you did it with great dignity and you're a very thoughtful, reflective person and thank you for your service.
I definitely appreciate it, and I thank you for your support.
Vincent Campos, ladies and gentlemen, our studio audience, expressing its appreciation to Vincent for his service and his thoughtful comments today.
Well, thanks again to Barbara Hames Bryant and Scott and Chip, sobering days on the world scene.
It's a sad new chapter and a long-running tragic book.
And pray for peace, people.
And we might say a prayer for the Hawkeyes that they can connect up there at Wisconsin.
That's a tough environment.
That jump around is its own tradition.
tradition up there, but I still think that Phil Parker's defense will rise the occasion.
We'll see what Brian's offense can do, but as you alluded to, John, it is dire right now the situation in the Middle East and around the globe.
And so be sure to listen to KXEL and Jeff Stein in the Iowa Almanac as they bring us all the updated information.
Stay tuned, but also make sure to, you know, say a little prayer and say, don't be afraid to say, I love you.
Do some of your friends and family as well.
And Chip Reidman, as before we
at the show here and loop in March the procession of the nobles one more time you've got some breaking news for us one of your classmates University president of a famous and illustrious university is maybe he's seen the the great life you're living in retirement and wants to
Follow in your footsteps, Chip.
Who's stepping
down?
That would be the Reverend John Jenkins, classmate of mine, prep, 1972.
He's stepping down as the president of the University of Notre Dame.
Don't know the reason.
There's not much information out there.
Scott was concerned.
Well, he has a certain age.
I mean, he's about 70.
He's very close to it.
We won't say more than that.
That implies too much regarding me.
But you know, it's also, it's the Catholic Church and they can move priests around and not knowing what umbrella he's under in the Catholic Church.
They can be saying,
You know, John, it's time to go somewhere else.
Make me send him to Africa for all you know.
Or to Omaha, be your Paris breeze.
That's right.
We could use a few.
We could use a few.
So yeah, it's, you know, I hope he's enjoyed his time there.
It's been a tumultuous few years that he was there.
He's had some definite events go on there that raise some eyebrows and everything.
But nobody said it was easy.
Why won't the next guy to restore the Christopher Columbus mural in the
administration building, Scott?
I think to be interested in the next president, Notre Dame, and athletic director, there will be a lot of pressure on them to join a certain conference.
And I think the phone calls in Rosemont, Illinois were probably taking place as we
speak.
I think you may be
onto something, Mr. Scott.
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