KXEL Presents: The Jacobsen Group Podcast - June 24, 2023

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Thanks for joining us this beautiful summer Saturday morning in eastern Iowa on the blowtorch KXEL 50,000 Watts of clear channel coverage into all of the states the big 10 John Jacobson here on the eponymously named Jacobson group with Scott Corey and the great one Mike Shane

at the controls.

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And guys,

This is a special podcast show today.

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And very excited today.

Here's who's up.

We're going to do a political potpourri with Scott Corey and Chip Reidman.

Barbara Hames Bryant with her business report from Eastern Iowa.

Then Iowa Legislative Special Session with special guests, Sam Jones and Jennifer Bowen, and then the inimitable pioneering crusaders for healthcare in the 21st century, doctors Ted Fogarty and doctors David Hartsuch.

Let's get ready to roll.

Chip Readman joins us here.

We're gonna do a little bit of a McLaughlin homage a political potpourri here with Scotty and John and Chip.

Let's go to issue one Guys we had some testifying going on this week in Congress and I'm just gonna quote the great Tom Fitton quote

Obama knew, Clinton knew, Biden knew, Comey knew, Brennan knew, McCabe knew, Stroke knew, Clapper knew, Schiff knew, FBI knew, DOJ knew, CIA knew, State knew, they all knew Trump was innocent.

But they smeared and spied on him worse than Watergate.

Trump is a crime victim.

I turn to you, Scott Corey.

Is this a valid comment?

I believe it is.

And unfortunately, this is what you would see out of a third world dictatorship.

We have now entered the precipice of being a banana Republican, you know, Chip Reidman, everything that, you know, the left has claimed that Republicans do well.

They've just been smeared with their own disgrace because

And Richard Nixon never would have done the stuff that they got away with.

And unfortunately, the scary part is also that had Elon Musk not purchased Twitter here about a year or so ago, a little bit longer than that, a lot of this news would not have been covered and been forced to be brought upon the national stage because a lot of these reporters were tweeting out these hearings and the testifying comments.

And so it's very concerning that the United States is doled into that.

Maybe maybe it's always been like that and the curtain has just been pulled back I don't know what it is But you know basically I kind of go back to the quote that John F Kennedy made about the CIA It's time to smash the CIA the Justice Department Basically all of the federal agencies into a million pieces and start from scratch your thoughts chip

I Think you mean a very good point.

I think Tom Fitton is right, but I don't think he got everything in that little tweet that you're reading John

They knew about Hillary.

They knew what the Clinton campaign or the DNC was doing, as I recall.

They knew everything that was happening.

They totally understood that she was working with a steel dossier.

They all knew the inside story.

And it goes beyond the FBI.

It goes into the Department of Justice.

And what the latest whistleblower that came out was an IRS guy involved with the Hunter Biden deal.

There are just whistleblowers coming out of the woodwork.

I've never seen this in my lifetime, and I'm not exactly a spring chicken anymore.

I've never seen this many whistleblowers come out over so many different topics, pointing to the corruption of the deep state, the CIA, FBI, IRS.

It's Department of Justice.

I mean, you just, every three-letter alphabet soup you have out there, they're all just looking bad.

And this is looking bad for the country.

And so the question I would ask, throwing back it to you, John, is,

Have we lost the country?

Or how close are we to really losing our country?

And what are the chances we're going to get it back?

Chip, it's a fair question.

My answer is this.

When the nation devolves into a two-tiered justice system, the social contract is vitiated.

The social contract, a philosophical enterprise as much as anything, is only valid if there's true consent of the government.

Is there consent of the governed?

Issue two!

Well, Hunter Biden got a real sweetheart deal, you know, for a felon.

He looks like he's going to be walking through the park here.

Cash Patel's great comment.

Cash Patel.

Never in my entire career as a Fed public defender was I granted pre-trial diversion for a Fed felony gun charge related to narcotics.

Never.

I represented hundreds of minorities on this exact same charge, and the average sentence was three to five years in federal prison.

Enter the white son of a white president,

prosecuted by a white AG and their two-tier system of justice.

I'm not saying it's about race, but where's the outcry from the left and all the minorities who got launched by DOJ's prison sentences?

Scotty, I go to you.

This has just been a week where basically all the filth of the Biden family laundry has been brought out on a national stage.

But unfortunately, some of the major networks like ABC and CBS are not covering on Thursday night.

I'll give some credit to NBC.

They actually covered a little bit of this.

And not only that, John, but now we have the hypocrisy of Vice President Kamala Harris.

When she was Attorney General in California, she was sentencing African Americans at a very high rate for

smaller drug offenses and locking them up for long term sentences.

And so the hypocrisy is unreal.

And to make it even worse, the cherry on the top on Thursday night, the IRS whistleblower made a comment that Hunter Biden on his tax forms was deducting fees that he was paying.

hookers.

I mean I had never seen such a blatant disrespect for flaunting the laws and there on Thursday night as well there was Hunter Biden right next to Joe as well as right next to the Prime Minister of India.

They have no shame and they are flaunting it straight in our faces Chip Reidman.

Wait a minute are you telling me I can't deduct my hookers and my income tax?

I think I'd better talk to my lawyer.

People

are worried

about your wife right now, Chip, because she's probably just listening to the

guy.

Yeah, I probably should.

Nothing surprising with these people.

The hypocrisy, I'm thinking back two or three years ago, I used to start sending out tweets.

It

was

just a weekly deal where some Democrats, some liberals, was doing something unbelievably hypocritical, talking out of both sides of their mouth.

It's just gotten so staggering.

It just bounces off of me.

And what actually kills me is, when you mentioned about ABC, NBC, CBS, and everything in the news, not covering it, it's unfortunate in multiple levels.

It's unfortunate with this submarine that went down to the deep sea diver to the Titanic, and they lost them.

That basically gave all the networks the ability to wash out, disregard any of this testifying that was going on in Congress, all of any of this news that's coming out, Hunter's deal that we're talking about.

These are the kind of things that they're able to grip on to and absolutely ignore everything.

And it's almost like you wish there'd be a week with nothing happening.

No Ukraine, no deep sea diver, nothing, no Elon Musk and Zuckerberg wrestling match coming up.

Nothing happening but what's going on with all this stuff.

That's what you'd almost like to have so they have nothing else to report on.

Issue three.

Are we turning into the last days of Rome?

Are we Caligula-esque at this stage?

Hunter Biden getting kicked out.

He was so creepy.

He got kicked out of that infamous, depraved, perverted sex club in LA.

Over at the FBI, you had that adulterous affair.

was had to get paged by Lisa to get stroked.

And also, we now have a situation where Jim Caviesel and Eduardo Verrestige, great motion picture stars, Jim Caviesel, of course, person of interest, the Passion of the Christ, Eduardo Verrestige, that wonderful movie Bella, which won so many awards, and they are now

putting together a film that it's been very hard for them to get it made and to get it released, but it is coming out July 4th.

And it is basically the search for freedom for all of the tens of thousands, the dozens of thousands of children who are indeed getting child sex traffics in the world.

We have a lot of it going on across our southern border.

Scott, this is a catastrophe.

And again, I lay this at the feet of the administration.

They're doing nothing

to curb this.

You know, John, it just seems like, you know, you wake up in the morning and you're just like, what kind of filth that we're going to deal with today?

And it just seems to me get worse and worse.

And basically, and you talk about Jim Caviesal, I mean, you talked a lot about everything in that opening question there.

He basically laid it out there that the CIA is running a front groups and they're using sex trafficking as ways to get, you know, leverage on a lot of important business leaders and foreign leaders as well.

And so if the CIA is involved in this, I mean, it's just disgusting and it wouldn't surprise me one bit.

And then you talk about everything else and

It's almost like, you know, we always made fun of, you know, this a little bit before my time, but, you know, everybody made fun of Billy Carter, Jimmy Carter's brother and all his shenanigans and his beer, beer crusade and things like that.

And then you had Bill Clinton's brother, you know, I mean, there, I mean, it's like Opie and Andy compared to what Hunter Biden's been doing the last 40 years.

And it's just disgusting chip.

And I don't even know if there's a way to rectify it without.

some serious, serious reflection and some very hard choices moving forward.

Chip, last word for you on this.

I have seen the movie, not that I haven't seen the movie, but I've seen the previews that you're talking about.

It's called The Sound of

Freedom, guys.

The Sound of Freedom, debuting July 4th, 1200 theaters across the country.

Go ahead, Chip.

It's almost depressing when you're just even seeing the preview.

They don't get into many details, but it's enough to get you

interested to see it and you just your mind starts reeling is like oh my god how bad is this but you know what you don't have to go far to find it you can find it anywhere in the united states going on and that may not be you know child abduction and and put in a sex trafficking but what's happened with the trans movement that's going on i just it's you just can't get away from it anywhere you view news and it's on a conservative outlet and you'll find these videos out there of the of the drag queens and everything and the shows are performing

And they'll interview the moms that are bringing these 12-year-old girls into it.

And the moms don't care.

It's like, oh, I think that's a good experience for her to learn about it.

And I'm thinking, when I was growing up, my parents wouldn't even let me come down the stairs while Bridget over the River Kauai was on TV.

And now that's nothing compared to violence and stuff that the sex that you're seeing nowadays.

It's everywhere, John.

It's not just something that's happening overseas and across our border.

It's happening inside of our libraries.

It's happening inside of our schools.

It's just gotten ridiculous.

Issue four.

Issue four is Biden goading us into nuclear war.

Biden insanely is going Putin into a nuclear strike against the U.S.

homeland.

You know, guys, I think senile communists make for bad U.S.

presidents.

And in a speech to newly graduated soldiers, Putin warned, in the near future, the first launchers of the Sarmat complex with a new heavy missile will go on combat duty.

He also stressed the importance of Russia's triad of nuclear forces that can be launched from land, sea, or air, including that satan-tune missile.

And yet, Scott and Chip, we're doing everything we can

Now with the fast-tracking of Ukraine into NATO itself, we are poking the baron as John F. Kennedy once said,

Don't paint the bear into a corner.

What fresh new insanity of hell is this?

Scott Corey,

you know, it's just amazing.

And then you top all the rhetoric that's coming out of Washington versus Moscow.

Then we found the Pentagon had under or did an accounting error and the Ukraine is going to get another $1.6 billion in funding.

I mean, where is this money going to?

There is no accountability.

You have senators like Lindsey Graham joking with the Ukrainian leader.

about how many Russians have died today.

I mean, it's just disgusting.

And where are the same folks in all of this?

And Chip, I would not be surprised if this ends up in an armed conflict between the United States and Russia.

And I am very concerned about where this goes because Biden is not in control.

I mean, he finished his speech the other day where he said, God bless the queen.

I mean, what in the world is going on?

I mean, the guys are vegetable.

But it's a typical phrase that you probably heard through your lifetime.

Russia plays chess.

The United States plays checkers.

And I think that's exactly what's going on here.

They have no idea in the Biden White House what they're doing.

I don't know if you guys caught it.

I don't know if it was from Jennifer Griffin.

She's a Fox

News

reporter, very, very good national reporter.

She definitely does her work and does the job of journalism.

I believe it was reported that the Russians have moved nuclear weapons into Belarus, which Belarus is very close to Russia.

They're not like the Ukraine.

They're trying to break away.

They're trying to stay very tight with the Putin regime probably because they're smart and don't want to get invaded.

If that is true, and that's happening, that's a very very bad signal as to what Putin is actually thinking that he might do.

Well then you talk about with the NATO component as well.

It was reported that Germany is running low on munitions to arm the Ukrainians and so they're having to backfill.

Yeah, we're having to backfill as well.

It's unreal.

And the hundreds of billions of dollars that will be asked for to rebuild Ukraine and we've got a stalemate now with Ukraine offensive

This is getting ugly, horrific, grisly.

These folks, both sides could have sued for peace a year ago.

They are ginning up carcasses to fulfill the needs of these gun-running war monger profiteers of the military industrial complex.

And tens of thousands of innocent Russians and Ukrainians are dead.

It's a grave sin.

Issue five!

Well the schools are going to hell too for crying out loud now Those of us on the mic have been following the debacle at the Omaha public school system with the the now departing superintendent and Des Moines public schools the largest in the state hard to new superintendent and I Got a bad feeling about this.

He says leadership will be anchored in empathy.

We don't need empathy We need it to be anchored in academic

Excellence, how about reading, writing, and arithmetic, Scott Corey?

You know, it's just unbelievable.

And for our listeners in the eastern Iowa to talk about what's happening at Omaha Public Schools, it was reported on Wednesday that their teacher pension fund was $1.2 billion, that's what the B, billion dollar short.

And my joke was...

who was

running it was the Pentagon running the teachers pension fund out of Omaha public schools because it's unbelievable and Chip you know here we are you know when I was growing up and I'm in my 40s it was all about arithmetic it was about you know making sure you could understand the classics and doing long divisions you know with the with the pen and paper I mean now kids they just they don't care they just assume Google it and go from there there is no comprehensive thinking whatsoever and I made a comment that if I ever wanted to write something

something in secret to my wife.

I just have to use cursive because nobody can recursive

anymore.

Jeff, pretty good.

That's a pretty good trick for the Eastern Iowa listeners.

Going on with what Scott had said about the OPS problem, their pension problems actually developed a number of years ago.

Actually, it goes back to even I think 2008 and when things crash back then and they made some terrible, terrible decisions.

It got so bad that a few years ago the state of Nebraska took it over.

but the state of Nebraska would not mix it in with their pen.

State of Nebraska also handles a lot of teacher pension programs, but they've always kept Omaha separate because Omaha was doing okay, but no one looked at me to cover to see what was going on.

So Nebraska is taken over, as I understand, but they will not commingle those funds

with the state and other school systems funds because it's in such bad shape.

But I'd be curious to know, I think you said 1.4 billion.

I wonder if that's better or worse than what it was a few years ago, and if the state's even gotten it straightened up.

And boy, Des Moines, Iowa, I hope you guys are paying attention to your pension funds out there for your teachers because it's just a sleeping giant of a problem.

City, Sioux City is looking for a new superintendent as well.

And basically we are at a bridge for all of Iowa education moving forward, John, and I don't know what the right answer is.

You

know what?

I say you bring in those 1960s style Catholic nuns that I had and they can run a classroom of 50 and have everybody acing the, I would test the basic skills.

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Our hearts and prayers go out to the five deceased members of the exploration to the Titanic Mercifully it was the catastrophic implosion probably it occurred in a nanosecond those people Died without their brain synapses even being able to know what was happening or feel any pain.

That's the merciful side of it, but

This is going, there are going to be recriminations on this.

Let's start with the CEO of Ocean Gate, which was operating the missing Titanic tourist submersible, explained that his company didn't want to hire any experienced 50 year old white guys because they weren't inspirational.

You had experienced military guys out there, folks that, you know, he didn't want them.

And at least if they were uninspiring,

White guys according to his commentary there and it is really amazing, but The CEO said to CBS News, you know, there's a limit at some point safety justice pure waste I mean if you just want to be safe don't get out of bed There were poems that people had About even there's a documentary filmmaker who said I'm not signing up for this

Uh, Scotty, there was a lot of money to get a ticket, but unfortunately, uh, as these poor folks found out, that price was not around

trip.

You know, it's amazing.

It's kind of one of those, um, stories where it's kind of hard to wrap your brain around because I saw one of the articles talked about basically the, the controlling mechanism was basically no different than a PlayStation to a controller.

It's true.

It was true.

They

were using, but at the same time.

I found it a little ghoulish or quite a bit ghoulish is that the United States used to be a nation of adventure and now all of a sudden I don't know if it is just because

the coarsening of society.

I don't know if it's because of social media and we all want to get clicks and things like that.

But it seemed like they were just mocking these people at the same time.

And we should have been celebrating them that they were actually trying to do the right thing and, you know, be adventurous.

But at the same time, you know, there is a point where we should be holding the company of responsible for putting these lives in danger, as well as costing the taxpayers of Canada and the United States tens of thousands of dollars because of the coast guards in the Navy's have

having to go out there.

And then on Thursday night, we found that a story was printed in the Wall Street Journal that the Biden administration was tipped off by the Navy, the United States Navy on Sunday saying that this had happened and this was catastrophic failure.

But the administration made the Coast Guard go out there and keep this story alive to keep the heat off of what was going on with the testimonies of the Durham report as well as the impeachment resolution that was passed on Thursday.

against Joe Biden from the U.S.

House.

And so Chip Reidman, it is one of them stories that I think if we did a ESPN 30 on 30, it would take weeks to get through this entire story because there's so many levels to it.

Yes, there are.

And you are right about that.

I had mentioned that earlier about how that they will do anything they can to hold back stories.

so they get released at the right time.

Not the time that you and I should be hearing it, but at the time they feel it can be used to bury other unfortunate news about their own administration.

And I've got no doubt that's probably what happened here.

I

do feel sorry for them.

Yes, they do need to do some investigations.

It'd be no different than what Musk and Bezos are doing about sending American, Washington Americans, people, anyone with money into outer space.

You're doing something dangerous.

I applaud them.

I think it's great.

I'd love to get on one myself to go to outer space.

It's just the money is a little bit of an issue.

But you make a mistake.

You know, someone's got to be checked out for it.

That was a rollicking session of our homage to the McLaughlin group.

That's why you listen to KXEL on weekends.

This is a free speech zone.

And next up, the matriarch of Iowa GOP and also

of affordable, beautiful, safe, and lovely homes.

Barbara Hames Bryant up next on deck.

Thanks Chip.

Great to be with you as always.

Thanks.

Have a great weekend guys.

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He's at the engineering deck and nothing can go poorly here.

We are so delighted to have back with us.

Be great.

The Indefatigable, the inspirational Barbara Hames Bryant, and you hear those gentle strains and cords of Neil Diamond bringing this multi-generational family to the fore today, the studio audience welcoming Barbara Hames Bryant, the matriarch of Hames Homes.

Welcome back to the show, Barbara.

Thank you, John.

It's always a pleasure talking with you.

Well, we're delighted to have you on today in our special extended edition of the show, both on KXEL and on our extended edition podcast.

Barbara, what do you have for us today?

We can tell you that interest rates have leveled off at least temporarily, so that is good news for folks looking for homes.

I drove through your neighborhoods just two weeks ago,

Everything looks lovely.

It's a lot greener where you are there in Cedar Rapids than it is up in northwest Iowa and northern Minnesota where it's June and everything is brown straw.

Barbara, how do you keep it so green down there?

John, that's a great question.

We're a little short on rain ourselves right now, but we have beautiful affordable manufactured homes for sale.

We have new and pre-owned single and double sectional homes.

We have two, three, and four-bedroom homes.

They are gorgeous.

They have everything you could ever want in a home, and you can view our entire inventory on our website, hamshomes.com.

H-A-M-E-S-H-O-M-E-S dot com.

Or come and visit us and see how green it really is.

We're at the corner of Wilson Avenue and West Coast Roads, Southwest and Cedar Rapids.

So it's Wilson Avenue, West Coast Roads, Southwest Cedar Rapids.

We're open seven days a week.

So come and view our beautiful homes and our lovely neighborhoods.

Barbara Hames Bryant here.

Barbara does so much in the community.

I'm so impressed, Scott, going down there.

She's got amenities galore.

It's like a resort in the summertime.

It's like a family resort, and even the pets are taken care of.

Well, that was going to be my question, Barbara.

You know, here we are in June going into the Fourth of July weekend before not to Distant Future.

Talk to us a little bit about the outside amenities and the things you got going on this summer that makes your communities really a truly community.

Well, for the kids, we've got two playgrounds in each community.

They are fully stocked with playgrounds and swings.

We have a disc golf course, a nine hole disc golf course.

We have basketball courts.

We have picnic pavilions.

a walking trail, and for the quadrupeds, your little fur babies, we have a full-sized dog park.

I love it.

So families can bring their pets to an off-leash dog park at 16,000 square feet.

So plenty of room for the poochies to run.

You know, Barbara, you're all about communication.

You stay in contact so closely.

with all your folks you're like the de facto mayor of the city of three thousand people really uh with the with the great caring uh and compassion concern that you have you guys have won multiple awards lately for uh this type of community service and outreach barbara do you ever hear back from your folks do you get input from them on on the services that you provide i mean

Nothing is finer than providing people with hearth and home.

Not only do we get great reviews, which you can read on our website, HaynesHomes.com.

We also received a sweet handwritten thank you note this week.

And I'm going to read it if you don't mind.

Oh please,

do tell, please.

Troy, Barbara, and Cynthia, just a little note to say thank you.

Thanks for all you do for us tenants.

It is so appreciated.

Thank you a million times over.

Truly yours, your friend and tenant, Linda.

Wow scotty if all my trust clients wrote letters to me like that I wouldn't ever need to go on

vacation Yeah, it's amazing.

You know Barbara.

How does how do you you know get that type of letter because I've seen some letters that John got when he was in the legislature They weren't as nice.

They were really congratulatory letters.

He got was what he left

Well, it's not all unicorns and rainbows here either.

That's here of complaints and suggestions to improve things

One of our big amenities that our residents really appreciate is that we have a food pantry.

We coordinate with Hawkeye Area Community Action Program and United We March Forward Non-profits and we have a fully stocked food pantry that takes up half of our summit view office at 100 Haines Street Southwest.

It's on Wilson Avenue between Wiley and West Coast Roads.

It's open on Tuesdays and Wednesdays from 10 a.m.

to 4 p.m.

It's got fresh fruits, it's got vegetables, milk, eggs, meats, of course plenty of canned goods and lots of cereal donated by Quaker Oats, which we really appreciate.

And

that has been a very popular amenity among our residents.

And it's not only for our residents, it's open to the public too.

It's open on Tuesdays and Wednesdays.

You know Barbara you talk about everything that's going on there, but in today's society You know you can never be too careful But you guys make sure that you do a little bit of a screening process of all your potential buyers as well as you have us Internal security police that make sure that you're safe when you're out on the trails and things like that

Yes, even though we're the mayor of a small town, it is a private neighborhood.

So people have to apply to live here.

And we do a criminal background check on everybody that applies to live here.

And not only do we have our on-call managers available 24 hours a day, seven days a week, we also have employed the Cedar Rapids Police Department for some extra patrols during the week.

So people know that

You know we're out there.

We're taking care of business.

We're looking at looking out for our residents

Oh the circle back here guys the the Hames homes people I have just accepted the connect for a cause award from the corridor business journal for operating that wonderful ongoing food pantry there at their summit view Community at a hundred Hames Street Southwest It's given annually in this year

Hames is the winner.

I'm not surprised.

Scotty, this legacy goes back to Barbara's great late father and mother.

They started this.

They were true American patriots that came back and saw the need that most basic need on Maslow's hierarchy home and hearth for loved ones and family.

And she's got it now.

Scotty, these homes are lovely.

They're safe.

And as importantly, they are affordable.

What a tremendous, what a tremendous calling, a business vocation.

You know, when I think of Hames Homes and Barbara especially, I think of the word genuine.

It is something that is, you just don't find a lot in today's society, but Barbara, you have a genuine business practice out there.

You take care of the people, you provide for them, and you make it affordable for everybody.

And so I wish we could clone you, Barbara, and put you in all 50 states.

And

Barbara, in the meantime, how can we get over there and see you since we can't clone you?

Since you can't clone me, you'll just have to come and visit our two beautiful communities, Grandview and Summit View in Southwest Cedar Rapids, along Wilson Avenue Southwest, West Post Road Southwest, seven days a week, or online at HamesHomes.com.

Let's make this upcoming July a record month for Hames Homes folks.

get out there.

You know, Scotty, you and I are going to have to set up a Hawkeye hot dog stand out there and sign autographs to get two or three more people into view here sometime before the football season starts.

You

know, absolutely.

And you know, with changing of the people at the athletic department, maybe we can find a residency there for Mr. Bard if we need to.

Bring them.

We'd love to show off our neighborhoods to everybody.

Including Cyclones and Bulldogs and Panthers and even Huskers.

Guys, get over there to Hames Homes.

Barbara is always a high point of my week and a joy for us to be able to visit with you.

Final outro question.

You are the head of the Iowa Federation of Republican Women.

If this were a horse race in Iowa right now, win place and show

Can you tell me who's making the best waves in eastern Iowa of the presidential candidates?

Donald Trump is a huge favorite here in Iowa.

He hasn't visited us very much, but if you look at the polls, he's definitely way ahead of just about everybody.

Nikki Haley is a good bet.

Rhonda Sanchez is a good bet.

Mike Pence is a good bet.

Then we've got a

half a dozen dark horses and you never know what's going to happen during the caucuses.

It's so true.

Jimmy Carter coming out of nowhere was what put Iowa on the map and Hames Homes is on the map.

Guys, they've got that wonderful website.

HamesHomes.

H-A-M-E-S H-O-M-E-S dot com.

Get on that web and peruse.

They're wonderful pages.

There's some great blog posts.

by Barbara and Troy.

Barb, always great to have you.

We will talk to you again next week.

God bless and enjoy these summer Halcyon days.

Barbara Hames Bryant, guys.

A giant be striding like a colossus.

Sam Jones is back with us today, Scott Corey and Mike Shane.

Sam Jones, the great pro-life leader in Iowa.

His stalking grounds for a long time were Eastern Iowa and the Waterloo, Cedar Rapids area.

Now he's up in Northwest Iowa.

Sam, we have so much to talk about.

Special session on the horizon and I would say that we've been

trying to goad the legislature and the governor to do the right thing here with an immediate special session after the Iowa Supreme Court deadlocked and did not resuscitate the corpse of the 2018 pro-life fetal heartbeat bill.

A year ago, I called for a special session to get a new one in there, reasonably foreseeing this might have been an outcome.

Neither the governor nor the legislature would do this.

And Sam, I was very disappointed.

I got to tell you that the pro-life groups in Iowa were so impotent.

I'm just going to say impotent.

And I'll take just a shot here at the family leader.

They refused to support me on my medical freedom bill.

And I've lost

respect for those guys, and frankly I think they've become a little irrelevant.

Just asked Bobby Kaufman, but Sam, way in here, where do we need to go and what are groups like family leader need to do to help in this effort?

Yeah, well, thank you for having me on today, John.

And I think you're exactly right.

It is disappointing that the Iowa legislature and the governor haven't called a special session yet, that they didn't do it immediately back in June.

But it is good, I guess, looking at better late than never in that aspect as

we're

anticipating.

Well, I'm still calling for one.

I guess we really don't have words that they're going to call a special session.

But we definitely need one.

And looking at this with a family leader, one of the problems that I've had with these pro-life groups, including the family leader, I know that's not their sole focus, is going and standing up and being bold on this.

I had some conversations.

you know, really pleading with them to push to end abortion.

And it was, you know, well, we're talking with the governor and their staff and we're having these meetings and we're really excited, but it looks like we're going to be waiting for what the Supreme Court has to say and what the courts have to say.

And this is always a problem.

Where is the action?

Now, some people might be going and saying, well, where are you at the legislature?

And you mentioned Eastern Iowa.

Well, I've spent quite a bit of time actually out in front of the Planned Parenthoods, both there in Cedar Falls and Cedar Rapids.

And I'm a little bit more of a boost on the ground, although I don't mind talking to legislators and things like that, obviously.

But we look at this, where do we go from here?

And certainly the family leader involved Vinderplatz and his recent

Life panel discussion that he brought people like Lindsey Graham in for, which I never thought Lindsey Graham was such a tremendous life leader.

He thinks that he says, here's a crazy idea, and he goes and he says, well, let me read it for you so that I don't mess up the quote, because I want it to be in his words, not mine.

But he goes and he says, I have a crazy idea.

This is from his Twitter.

Regulate the abortion pill, then require them to provide an abortion reversal pill with it.

This is pro-choice and pro-life.

Now, that is not leadership, nor is it pro-family to be going and saying, look, he's saying he's supporting abortion there.

He's supporting choice.

Well, if our premise as Christians, if our premise in the Republican Party and the conservative side of things, which it is in the platform and it obviously is in the Word of God, that life begins at conception.

This is a terrible, terrible idea.

In fact, I would say it's even evil of an idea to be going and saying, look, let's just, let's continue on with abortion pills.

Let's just keep that going and just provide a choice for this.

That's not leadership.

It's also not pro-family.

And where we need to go from here, I think we need to take the power away from these perichurch organizations.

away from the family leader and things like that and we need pastors to get up and to start speaking and leading on this issue and to get their congregations leading in this issue so that we can hear the true voice of the citizens rather than the voice of just these these paratroop elitists who haven't done anything over the past 15 years to really go into

end abortion or to lead in positive ways with the family we've done what they said vote red and uh... what is the godness not more family policy uh... it's really gone in the families in a worse state now than when bob inter plots took over in twenty ten uh... it at the family leader and we look out we see we've had a whole lot more republican victory since then it's time for new leadership in iowa

It's time for new voices.

It's time for voices that say, no, we're not going to compromise.

This is what we need to do.

We're going to stand up for the pre-born and we're going to recognize their constitutional right to life that is given by God.

You know, that's well said, Pastor Sam Jones joins us here on KXEL.

And you know, one of the issues that has been brought up to me and through my sources in the Iowa legislature is that Governor Reynolds is on a mission trip right now through Europe and Israel.

Not a mission trip is in a religious mission.

No, trade mission, so to speak, in public relation type situation.

But my sources are telling me that look for around July 10th for a possible special session.

and uh... correct me if i'm wrong on this john but once the governor calls a special special session

It has to be a topic, germane situation.

You cannot

go

off the rails.

So

she has, it's a very defined session.

The legislature will then convene and devoid.

It probably take 48 to 72 hours to get the bill

through.

You've got some good intel on this.

You think it's going to happen, what, right after the fourth?

I believe as soon as she returns that she'll call for that and then the week of the 10th will be when the legislators return.

And it's very interesting.

A few of the legislators that I spoke to kind of were echoing some of your comments, Pastor Sam Jones, regarding the family leader, as well as Faith and Freedom Coalition that's headed up by Steve Scheffler's group.

And what irritated a lot of, so to speak, grassroots as well as the legislators in the political sector was that the moment that the Iowa Supreme Court issued its ruling, I believe last Friday,

Within about three hours, those organizations were sending out fundraising emails, Pastor Sam Jones, and it's almost as if the grifters just saw an opportunity and they had to cash in on it.

But at the same time, they were AWOL for the last three years because they advocated any of their responsibilities to the Iowa Supreme Court and decided not to fight.

And I think it's very interesting moving forward.

that the family leader as well as faith and freedom are bringing in all these presidential candidates to talk about life, but the family leader and Steve Scheffler's group were not talking about life during the Iowa legislative session.

You know, I think that is really interesting, and I think it starts to reveal a little bit of what the motives are, because it seems like the whining and dining and the fundraising are really taking a precedent over the lives of the pre-born.

And I know when I say that those are strong words, but Jesus tells us that you'll know them by their fruit.

And this is the fruit as we're going and we're inspecting this.

I can tell you, I was pleading with them.

I was pleading with a lot of people, let's actually do something.

Let's not do the neutral amendment.

We've already tried the heartbeat bill.

Let's actually try for a personhood bill.

Let's go and attach it directly to the Constitution in seeing that life does begin at conception and base the law there.

because that's really what our Constitution says.

It's already there.

We just have to go and to recognize it and outline it and then make the Supreme Court, if they're going to go and challenge it or review it, they need to go against the Constitution, which would put them in a very precarious position.

But this is a problem that we're seeing here is that they do seem to be more about fundraising and whining and dining potential presidential candidates.

Then they do about actually standing up for the family

the other the other The other mystery piece in this puzzle is that you've got floating out there the fact that our Legislature has now in two different sessions past a constitutional amendment piece of language to be voted up or down by the Iowa population at a future general election

and it is an abortion neutral plank to try to offset a prior Iowa Supreme Court ruling that seemed to recognize right to abortion, the Iowa Constitution.

Short story, guys, it ain't in there.

They created out a whole cloth, kind of like Roe versus Wade.

Subsequently, though, we have a more conservative Iowa Supreme Court, notably so.

And then the question is, do we still want to put an abortion neutral

uh, referendum up there to put in our constitution.

Uh, A, what if that loses, uh, you know, with all the money pouring in like it did in Kansas or B, should we aspire to do something beyond abortion neutral?

And how does that play into the whole, uh, special session mix?

And then, uh, Vander Plats, of course, saying that we should impeach, uh, these.

three justices that voted to kill the 2018 fetal pain bill, impeach them or demand their resignation, or recall them at the ballot.

Well, I scratched my head on the ladder, Scott, because they wouldn't be up till 2028, I think.

Am I correct about that?

I believe so.

Five years from now.

So we need to move now is what I'm getting to.

We need to move now.

And

You know, the trade mission is a very minimal value.

Go to the Iowa Torch and read some of the criticism of these trade junkets.

I think they're more PR missions.

You know, rally the troops, do the grassroots, get some popular support, go to the legislative districts, cancel the trade tour and

prep now and then hit the ground running after fourth of july you

know i think that's very interesting i think basically the argument uh... is going to be taking place especially in the iowa senate and so it's a certain degree in the iowa house once uh... the uh... special session is called was how do we approach this and

There's going to be a large faction of both caucuses of the Republican side will say we need to take a playbook out of the or a page out of the less playbook and go at this and this, you know, do a heartbeat bill.

And then in the then during the main session starting in January, we're going to go after it with the personhood bill.

So I think it's going to be very interesting to see how that dynamic weighs.

And there's going to be a lot of pressure on Senate President Amy Sinclair, Senate Majority Leader Jack Whitver, Iowa House Speaker Pat Grassley, and as well as Majority Leader Matt Winch, it'll provide and improve their mental on this to the base, because let's face it, John.

Winshittle and Grassley have been in the Iowa legislature since 2006, almost 20 years.

It's time for them to deliver on this issue.

And if they don't do it, then they're going to have a huge issue on their hands at the ballot box because I think you're going to see a lot of primaries on the Republican side.

Well said, Scotty.

Well said.

And I call on my Southwestern Iowa legislators to get out in front of this issue.

People like

Uh, David Seek, uh, and Tom Moore and Brent Segrist, uh, you know, they need to be loud and proud on this.

Brian Best, they, they need to be out front on this.

Tom

Shipley too.

Absolutely.

And Pastor Sam Jones, how, if you're really moved by this, you know, the best thing I've always said is that.

Don't send an email because these legislators get so many emails a day.

It's making the phone call.

It's showing up at their coffees.

It's actually looking them in the eye and telling them to get this thing done.

And I find it very ironic and I had this conversation with the state senator on Tuesday that said, you know, and I've made the comment, you know, the governor put all of her political weight behind getting the private school vouchers reformed through the Iowa legislature.

put a lot of pressure on a lot of those people.

And she even got behind in primaries and primary to a lot of those sitting representatives, including Max, well, out of the Grinnell area.

See, this was left alone.

He

was left

alone on that.

And so if, if, you know, you're all worried about that.

Well, why aren't you doing that on the life issue?

Because if those children are aborted, they're not going to go to private school.

You know, the school choice thing, that seemed to be positive in a lot of ways to get that away from the public education system there, that of course is contrary to biblical worldview.

But life is a lot more of a foundational issue.

And that does bring up a good question.

With that, and you see all of the solutions that they're bringing, whether it's, you know, get the Supreme Court justices voted out the neutral amendment, whether it's, you know, let's do heartbeat now in personhood later.

It's always kicking the can down the road.

That's what they're doing.

They're kicking the can down the road.

And so really what we do need people to show up, to look them in the eye, to take them out for coffee or meet them at their coffee socials.

To stop them and talk to them in the parade and say look if you don't deal with this issue in a timely manner I don't care what your position is on paper I can't vote for you in good conscience because there are people who are literally dying and they are bringing I mean right now, Iowa is in a precarious position because Other states are doing things and what's happening is is that Planned Parenthood is bringing people into Iowa to murder their children?

I just just talked

Last week about somebody who was from out of state And it ended up you know just a heartbreaking thing where their grandchild was aborted through a lot of coercion And and it was from out of state being brought into Iowa and it was that idea of Planned Parenthood coming and bringing it in I mean it was a crazy situation Iowa is becoming a place of baby murder

We need to do something about this.

We needed to do something about this in 1973.

But we certainly need to do something about it.

And not 10 years from now, eight years from now, six years from now, four years from now, or even six months from now.

We need to do it today.

Guys, this is Sam Jones.

What a tremendous interview with Sam.

How timely this all is.

Scott Corey with the scoop.

Scott, your prediction on when the special session will occur.

The week of July 10th is what I'm hearing.

Alright guys, you heard it here first.

We will be back in a minute.

The studio audience on their feet for Sam Jones.

Sam, thanks again for coming on and being bold and fighting for the little ones.

What a show Scott this show we have covered so much today.

We're going an extra half hour on the podcast So you guys want to grab the podcast when it's posted on Monday?

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And, last but not least,

All of you listening to this show in Eastern Iowa.

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Although he's in Northwest Iowa, our Eastern Iowa listeners love having Sam come on because he was our Waterloo Cedar Falls Cedar Rapids champion for so long there.

Sam Jones joining us today and we couldn't be happier than to always hear Sam's way in.

uh see sam you can leave cedar rapids and still be there at the same time in waterloo with the miracle of modern technology and the largesse of kxl so until next week or until the podcast an extra 30 minutes scottie

We have the new dynamic duo here back with us today from River to River from boundary to boundary Quad Cities the Honorable Dr. David Hart such MD former Iowa State Senator and from the Northwest Territory Lake Okeboji and Ogallala, Nebraska and North Dakota

Dr. Edward Ted Fogarty from the legendary Creighton Omaha family, CARES Act recipient.

Gentlemen, we got a lot to talk about today.

I want to focus in on two things and Scotty, I'll lead you direct it, but we want to talk about ongoing issues with the Iowa Board of Medicine.

And then we want to talk about the rising campaign is Tucker Carlson again.

By the time you hear this on your radio show, there'll be over 30 million people who have watched Tucker Carlson talking about the ascendancy of Robert Kennedy and Joe Rogan and Elon Musk and all of these interviews.

Bobby's clearly rising less.

Hit on those two issues, Scotty.

Let's lead us in.

Well, thanks, John.

And we're joined here on KXEL by Dr. Fogarty as well as Dr. Hartsuch.

Let's just jump right in, Dr. Hartsuch.

Is there any updates you can give us regarding your lawsuit with the Iowa Board of Medicine as well as what is going on on your neck of the woods here, Dr. Fogarty, because you're having to battle them as well on a lot of different issues.

Is it time basically to start comparing the Iowa Board of Medicine to the deep

The Swap, so to speak.

Well, you know, it's really great to be on today, Dr. Hartzach.

And, you know, this morning I was actually thinking about the Greek tragedy in Tigny.

So the king commanded that the armies could not go out and bury the dead.

And they were to be left on the battlefield, including the king's son who had risen up against the king.

And in Tigny, who was his...

daughter, brother of the deceased son, wanted to bury her brother and give them some dignity and the king commanded her no, but she did it anyway.

And so he went and he locked her up in a wall and she died that way.

This is a Greek tragedy, doesn't sound very good, but it actually is very similar to what the Board of Medicine is doing to doctors because they're saying the doctors can't treat COVID.

Now, they talk about it in terms of can't treat COVID with off-label drugs.

But since there's no on-label drugs, they're saying they can't treat COVID.

And that's what's happened.

Basically, doctors are being persecuted for treating patients with COVID.

It doesn't matter what we use to treat COVID.

The fact that we treated it is what they are penalizing doctors for.

And what has happened is, the twist in this case,

is that really I've made the case that I have standing to defend patients and the public from the actions of the Board of Medicine, the Board of Pharmacy.

The Board of Medicine, of course, prevented doctors from treating COVID and prescribing any drug, for that matter, to treat COVID.

And the Board of Pharmacy joined right in with them and told the pharmacist,

don't fill these prescriptions.

And that's what we're faced with.

And I was looking for some historic precedents in terms of legal cases, but never in the history of mankind has a state ever commanded to physicians not to treat patients.

And this is unprecedented.

It is beyond the pale.

For our listeners, Dr. Harsach, has there ever been a time that you're aware of where the board basically said do not use this type of medication or is this the first time they've ever done it with ivermectin?

The board exactly did not say don't use it.

They said that actually you might end up with an investigation if you did.

Has that ever happened before?

No.

No, it's never happened with any drug.

There have been drugs in the past, past, because they'll take medical marijuana.

Medical marijuana, lots of boards, those doctors don't prescribe medical marijuana.

And the reason why is it was not FDA approved.

And at all.

But these are FDA approved drugs.

These have been shown to be safe.

And they're used by millions of people around the world.

And now all of a sudden, just for people who

are

told

they're not safe.

Yeah, this

is

akin to the CCP taking over Iowa.

You're listening to

Dr. Ted Fogarty now,

guys, just

so we can identify the voices.

Previously, Dr.

Hartzich, now we're going to Dr. Ted Fogarty up in Okuboji.

You know, I started dropping all kinds of ivermectin into the moine.

immediately after the Nebraska Attorney General wrote a 44-page opinion that is perfectly legitimate, typocratic medicine to write for ibermectin scripts for your patients with COVID.

And then the North Dakota legislature had a special session, which should have been the What's the Fogarty bill, where they protected all practitioners of medicine against any licensure sanction for writing prescriptions for ibermectin for COVID.

And so you have these two states right across the Missouri River from Iowa.

You know, Bismarck, State Capitol of North Dakota, the whole Omaha catchment, Lincoln, you know, basically the leadership in the law and jurisprudence, these legislators and the Attorney General of Nebraska are saying this is criminal, basically.

And these concepts should not be restricted.

And, you know, and I started, like I said, drop, drop shipping, I remitted into Des Moines area attorney's office to protect him.

Well, I know this doc.

We're going forward here and we see some fascination with the presidential race.

Why is Bobby Kennedy rising, Ted Fogarty?

I'll go to you first, Dr. Ted Fogarty, and then back to Hartstich.

And how significant could this be in altering the race and in altering the perception of the American people as to what's going on with big pharma, big hospitals, big government healthcare?

Dr. Fogarty first.

Well, you got to look at Bobby Kennedy Jr.'

's entire history.

As a young boy, he grew up basically in the White House with his cousins.

As his father was the Attorney General, he saw his uncle get shot and killed.

And then when he's 14, he's a teenager.

He's on the campaign trail with his own father, who he's there when he's shot and killed.

And you look at the history of this one particular incredible attorney in America.

who has gone up against the biggest corporate complexes in cleaning up the American environment and now cleaning up our children's bloodstreams from the toxins, the known toxins, various many known toxins in vaccines, including the latest rounds of mRNA products, which are technically not vaccines by any intellectual property prior to our considerations.

As an important point,

that's a huge point.

These are not vaccines.

No, they're not.

This one critical charismatic individual from American political history is a prime example on the cusp of potentially World War III breaking out because we have a president who's out to lunch and who is part of a criminal network, his own God bless Senator Grassley for coming out and taking the redacted FBI files and going after the Biden crime syndicate.

The Midwest, the Kennedy Conservatives, the Blue Dog Democrats who have ostensibly in many counties in Iowa, they're now Republicans, but they're the people who voted for JFK back in the day.

That's true.

That's true.

And

campaign for Bobby.

and uh bobby's dad and so you know we are just in this very critical time period where uh there is there is uh the ultimate witness bearer of the american political tyranny is bobby kennedy jr and if he can't beat biden this country is sunk we're done

Dr. Hartzach, I'd like to get your thoughts and then go back to Fogarty as well as John.

Last week or so, it was very interesting.

Robert F. Kennedy, Jr.

was on the Joe Rogan experience in his podcast, and they started talking about the big pharma and the vaccines and laying out a lot of the issues moving forward.

But then all of a sudden, a individual from Houston, Texas, Dr. Peter Hotez, I hope I say that correctly.

Oh, he is such a bad guy.

Yes, who has no problem going on the major networks.

Go

ahead.

I posted against Dr. Peter Hotez last night.

Now this is, oh, this is so great.

And Tucker Carlson took him to the woodshed.

in his most recent and and uh i'll tell you i am an inch away from calling for hotax arrest an extradition to the haig that's about where i'm at but i digress dotty go ahead

and so i'd like to get your thoughts on uh

Peter Hotez because he was, you know, prompted and said all these things against the Kennedy's interview.

But then Rogan said, I'll give a $100,000 to any of your charities if you come on and debate.

But this guy all of a sudden does not want to debate and has basically called for mask mandates in the past.

People that did not want to get the vaccine to be fired and arrested.

I mean, Dr. Hartsuch, is this the kind of mentality that we see

on the national stage but also in the state of Iowa with the Iowa Board of Medicine.

I'd like to get everybody's thoughts on that.

Well, thanks again for anyhow.

What I think RFJ, RFK's juniors did an interview with NBC News and the headline came out the conspiracy candidate.

What RFK's anti-vaccine crusade could look like in the White House.

And I

think

it would be pretty... Yeah, I think this is very interesting because

They're obviously gaining up against RSK, or RSK in this case, as being anti-vax.

Well, yeah, he's crusaded for vaccine safety all of his life.

And he is one of the most important figures in this realm.

And frankly, if he hadn't done this, I don't know if there would be any safety at all in what we call vaccines.

I've

had interactions with hotels via email as part of the Kennedy's camp.

And uh,

and you're right.

It is hotels.

Dr. Peter Hotez.

Yeah, I I can't stand the guy.

Talk to me about him, Fogarty.

You know, there's there's one critical legal argument and racketeering situation that I brought up as chair at the University of North Dakota School of Medicine.

And and this is where there's nobody that can touch this argument.

But the first day of life of every American baby is being is interfering with maternal bonding with that child for a

for a Hep B vaccine, which is for a sexually transmitted disease, which the mother has already tested for that.

They do a Hep B panel in all the OB clinics, and they actually measure the amount of Hep B surface antigen antibodies that the mom is manufacturing from her vaccination back in the 90s.

And now you have kids who, on day one of life, their mother's own immune system has been the manufacturer of all of the Hep B antibodies, surface antibody.

for the surface antigen, and we're spending in the least $200 million a year, we're giving merch, $200 million a year, to inject all of our babies with a high-dose aluminum happy shot on day one of life that is completely unethical, not medically necessary, and it's part of the racket.

argue against me on these principles of racketeering.

This is the most obvious case of racketeering in the history of medicine that every baby in this country, four million babies born every year, have been getting happy on day one of life and no ethical reason for it.

The only ethical reason to give happy on day one of life to any child in America.

is if the mother is actively carrying hepatitis B virus in her bloodstream.

That is the only ethical reason.

And there's basically all but five cases a year of racketeering by Merck, across state lines, having all these American families and their insurance companies pay for a completely worthless, unethical shot that is harming kids to the tune of ninefold increase.

special education needs in males born in New York state in a study done about 15 years ago, they tracked only the happy day one of life.

If you were a male and you got that shot on day one of life, you had a 9-fold increase versus your male counterparts and female counterparts who didn't get happy on day one of life, 9-fold increase in special education needs.

You see now how this vaccine program is destroying American education.

It's destroying American minds.

and our children's minds and it's been going on for how long and now they're going into warp speed, you know, and you know, Trump needs to absolutely divorce himself from this whole warp speed takeover of American minds

through

the vaccine process.

Yeah, I agree.

We're coming up with a heartbreak.

I'm going to give Dr. Hart such the last word, but I'm going to take a stand right now.

I call on all of my erstwhile Iowa legislative colleagues to not

take any additional monies from Big Pharma if they have received them and to return the monies that they have received in donations from Big Pharma and many have received some monies from Big Pharma.

I never have received, I never will and if I got anything even offered my way I would absolutely turn it down.

You want not to have any encumbrances

on your vote and these guys are the bad guys.

Dr. Hartzich, I'm going to give you the final word.

You're a guy who won an election and I like you because you ran in a GOP primary and primary and incumbent and you beat her.

What's your what's your final outro on the show here today?

What would you like to leave with our listeners as we go to our hour break here?

Well, you know, I haven't been in a legislator having to do fundraising.

I have the opposite view of you in terms of taking money from Big Pharma.

I think every honest congressman, legislator, et cetera, should take as much money as possible from Big Pharma and then vote against them every which way they can.

Oh,

no, that's even better.

I like that.

That's a great idea,

Doc.

Yeah, give them a double ding.

I'll leave it with that.

That's good.

I love David Harts.

I love these two guys.

These two guys have had the most successful COVID saves record in Iowa.

They beat the hospitals just incredibly effectively with their treatment protocols such that

You know, Kara's money is flowing to the type of medicine that they're practicing, including hyperbaric therapy.

Studio audience loves David Hartsuch and Ted Fogarty.

Guys, we're going to bring you back in on Monday.

Thanks for joining us today.

Scotty, she's alive and kicking.

What a true grit warrior, Jennifer Bowen.

the matriarch of Iowa pro life movement, uh, front and center.

The issue of the summer here in the state of Iowa, Scotty is going to be a hot July in Iowa.

We've been talking about, uh, the, of course, the Iowa Supreme court deadlocking and therefore, uh, permanently killing the 2018 pro life Fidel Hart beat bill.

Uh, we've all been clamoring for a special session.

Going back to a year ago, we anticipated this.

You always have to have a plan B. I'm an Eagle Scout, Scotty.

You got

to have the plan B. You know, absolutely, John.

And, you know, that's kind of been my biggest argument the entire time is that, you know, it's like the old saying, everybody's got a plan till you get punched in the mouth.

Well, Jennifer, on Friday, it was the one year anniversary of the U.S.

Supreme Court overturning Roe versus Wade with a Dobbs decision.

And during this entire time, it goes back even a couple of years before that, the Iowa's legislature had passed a heartbeat bill.

that was challenged in court and it worked its way up to the Iowa Supreme Court.

And then during those months, we were told that we were not gonna bring any more pro-life bills to the floor of the Iowa House or the Iowa Senate.

We were told that by the governor as well as the speaker of the Iowa House and the majority leader of the Iowa Senate.

And because they thought the court was going to uphold the heartbeat bill.

Well, lo and behold, in a decision last Friday at three to three, it basically

Nullify the heartbeat bill and we're back to square one.

And so our entire time we have wasted these these years and these months because we did not act and because our leadership let us down not only from Governor Reynolds, but the Iowa faith and freedom led up by Steve Schaeffler as well as the family leader led up by Bob Vaner plots.

You know, so now we're at the mercy of Governor Reynolds calling a special session at some point, which looks like around July.

10th.

I mean, Jennifer, walk us through this and tell us why we should not basically say a pox on everybody's houses in primary every Republican out there.

Here, yes.

So we you have eloquently laid out where we are right now, stepping back just a little.

We have actually even before Iowa Supreme Court ruled last Friday about the heartbeat bill.

That had actually already been permanently enjoined back in January 2019.

And from 2019 to date, there was, like you said, no plan B at all.

No other abortion bans have come forward or anything.

And at that time, January 2019, Governor Reynolds did.

decide not to appeal that decision.

So nothing has happened until one year ago today.

The United States Supreme Court did overturn, finally, the 1973 rulings, Roe v. Wade,

and

Joe V. Bolton.

That has given us one year now where states could go in and end abortion if they so choose, as many states have.

Well, at that time one year ago, the governor of Iowa was asked repeatedly to call a special session.

She pretty quickly refused to do that at the same time dusting off this permanently enjoined 2018 fetal heartbeat bill asking the Supreme Court, the district courts and ultimately the Supreme Court

to remove that injunction and let the law stand.

There was many people, John Jacobson included, and at the forefront, really, that said, you know, what we need, we need a clean, new, stronger bill than even that, now that we're under this no roe v. Wade miraculous place that we're at now that, unfortunately, was not listened to.

So we went through the district court again.

The Fetal Heart Belaw Pat died, um, ultimately on Friday of, of June.

So here we are.

All that we can do is continue at this moment, continue to call on the governor, Kim Reynolds, the Senate, uh, president and majority leader, Jack Whitford, Amy Sinclair.

the speaker of the Iowa House, Pat Grassley, and Matt Winshittle, Majority Leader of the Iowa House.

Those individuals, with the exception of Amy Sinclair, publicly stood against pro-life legislation in the meantime.

They stood against any legislative remedy to save unborn babies' lives.

And counting I mean there's no there's no plan now We are hearing on my understanding that there may be a special session called

and Jen let me just let me just inject

that

Jen we've got some great intel here at the show Scott I'm gonna let you because Scott's Scott's pretty much spot on with his sources Scott.

What's your prediction?

of what's going to happen here because this might help us maneuver for what we need to do then in july to help our folks drink a cup of courage and do the right thing scottie

i've been told uh through my legislative sources that once the governor returns from her trade mission from europe and israel uh i believe that's around july fourth or fifth uh she will then call for a special session which looks like to be around the week of july 10th uh and calling both back the iowa house and iowa senate and from what

I understand this will be a strictly a germane session that it will be on the topic of the heartbeat bill there will be no other bills moving forward so you couldn't talk about the pipelines you couldn't talk about education anything like that it is strictly this and from what I've been told is that the bills are being written currently in the Iowa House and the Iowa Senate they will match there will be

limited debate, let's say, on amendments in order to help facilitate that, that a personhood bill in discussion would be allowed in January with the new session to help alleviate some of those pressures.

But I've been told the main focus will be pushing through a heartbeat bill immediately.

Jen, any first thoughts on that?

Oh my goodness, tears and smiles.

If that were to occur as God has eloquently outlined, that would be amazing.

And I would be the loudest champion both in July with that passage and...

the loudest advocate in January to go even further

and

take all unborn babies in Iowa.

As you know, one of us has been very outspoken over this past year or more and I think that it would just be incredible if that was to happen and I would be the loudest.

Champion into your leader and so I

think we all would I mean so there's some signs of optimism here Yeah,

we're sure and for sure with that in Intel for absolutely certain and I think that it's important and in with that information that pro-life advocates across the state really need to be in prayer and

be encouraging their governor and their senator and legislator in the house to do the right thing because we understand that, you know, the gates of hell literally are unleashed on any individual lawmaker and governor who wants to protect unborn lives.

So they will continue to

Feel immense pressure to not do the right thing.

And so we really need to Bolster them with prayer and encouragement to to do the right thing

and Jennifer Jennifer I don't think we can just quote-unquote kickback and let our pro-life lobbyists depend on them to Put the ball over the goal line here.

I have been very

critical of the lack of an organized, effective, real solid presence of the pro-life lobby.

And I don't think we can rely upon any of these groups, not even family leader, in Bob Vander Plaats.

We need to go directly here to our legislators and talk to them.

They need to hear from us, the governor.

needs to hear from us as individuals.

We can't just trust these third-party lobbyists to get the job done for us.

Am I right on that?

A thousand percent, John.

I don't say that flippantly or with ease.

I have, for a few reasons, been

ostracized, sideline, whatever you want to call it, from the traditional pro-life movement in Iowa since about 2017.

And then of course, stage 4 metastatic breast cancer tried to take me down in 2019 and following years.

And so I say that over the years,

It has been very tragic to me to not see or hear any one of those groups efforts at the Capitol or in the grassroots.

Nobody is talking about the fact that Iowa has been an abortion sanctuary state over this past year since Roe v. Wade fell.

Thousands of women are traveling into Iowa from Texas, Louisiana, our border states,

All over, they've been traveling here to kill their unborn babies through the first 20 weeks of pregnancy.

I have not heard one of those leaders, like you said, at Iowa Rate to Life, at the family leader, et cetera.

Unfortunately, it hasn't always been the case with Iowa Rate to Life.

It has sort of been the case with

the

family leader.

They don't get

too involved until various points.

Jennifer, I got to just sidebar say my frustration reached this breaking point with family leader when they refused to help me on our medical freedom bill on the medical freedom bill when they could not get involved in that, which is I think it's after after the abortion carnage, the COVID calamity of our time.

And just the the the