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KXEL Presents: The Jacobsen Group Podcast - December 17, 2022
The Jacobsen Group with Jon Jacobsen · Mon Dec 19, 2022
Hello, this is John Jacobson, and welcome to this podcast of The Jacobson Group.
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Prepare to be informed, entertained, and amazed right after this.
Welcome listeners across eastern Iowa and caroming throughout all of the big 10 states.
John Jacobson here on the Jacobson group with Scott Corey and Mike Shane, 1540 AM, KXEL also at 100.5 FM.
Listen live on kxel.com and listen to the podcast on kxel.com slash Jacobson.
These may be desultory winter days as-
dark at 7 10 in the morning.
It's dark at 455 p.m.
But in a few days, the days start getting longer.
Scott, more sunshine, but we're going to bring him some radiant glimmers today on a very exciting upbeat show.
You know, that's a great point, John, especially with the sun getting a little bit longer every day.
We go through the winter months, you know, it gets kind of dull and depressing, but we got a lot going on and we're very blessed to have a lot of great interviews lined up.
We have a great series going on with the Kennedy
Fascination and we also have information too.
It was just released on Tucker Carlson's Thursday night segment where he talked about more files being released So there's gonna be a lot more information that we delve into and a lot of local issues too
and a lot of sports Scotty we I'll let you riff for a minute.
I'm gonna throw a few things out for you to grab ahold of the passing of coach Mike Leach the portal battles and some news on the Iowa front also hoops and
who's who's jockeying for position.
Creighton was croing that they were going to be a final four team.
They've lost five in a row.
Riff on our on coach Leach on portal on hoops.
You know, that's a
and Iowa Western.
I'll give you the four and Max Duggan of Council Bluffs.
Five, five great topics go.
So in Council Bluffs, it's been a tremendous week.
Max Duggan hometown hero was runner up to the Heisman Trophy winner last week.
Caleb Williams of USC and also Iowa Western.
the national junior college football championship.
Coach Joe Meyer has that team just humming along in 14 seasons.
He has never had a losing record and he's also at 80 some percent winning percentage.
So this congratulations to everybody in console blouse with Max Duggan and the Iowa Western football Reavers.
It's also a sad, sad week is coach Mike Leach who was coach at Texas Tech.
He was at Washington State and most recent he was at Mississippi State.
passed away from a heart incident at his home.
Mike Leach is one of those guys, even though he did not win a national championship, he was probably one of the most influential coaches in our modern history.
In the last 20 years, Mike Leach's offense has revitalized college football.
with the air raid.
You kind of think a little bit about what Bill Walsh did in the 49ers with the West Coast offense.
He
took a whole new level.
And
to have him win at Texas Tech in Washington State was just tremendous.
He was an all out character.
I joked the man could talk about pirates, big foot aliens and football all in a 10 minute conversation.
And he was just one of those guys that was going to be sorely, sorely missed.
And he grabbed that air raid philosophy from an Iowa football.
Yes, he was.
there at Iowa Wesleyan coach for a few years and then worked his way up and he was actually on Bob Stoops's first team down at Oklahoma in 1999 and so he has a lot of connections to Iowa.
He actually, Kurt Farrance got his first bowl victory when Iowa played against Texas Tech in the Alamo Bowl in 2001.
Scotty, we've got a receiver to go along with that Michigan quarterback in the portal.
Maybe we got an offense for next
year.
Yes, we have some highlights going along there.
Congrats to Kurt Farrance and his all of his team coaching staff going out there and trying to revitalize it.
We picked up a tight end.
His last name is all from Michigan, so he is familiar with K Big McNamara quarterback.
So we're going to be a lot going on in football and we have the bowl game here in less than a week.
And Fran got his
500th win.
Let's not forget about that.
Great upset win that
night.
Yeah.
Congratulations to him as well as Lisa Bluter for winning the Psyhawk series in Iowa City.
Coach Fran McCaffrey has done it with class at Iowa.
So happy for him to get 500 wins against Iowa State as well.
It's going to be a magnificent show, guys.
First up, our business entrepreneurial segment with Barbara Hames Bryant.
Let's roll.
Scott, I've got an onsite report.
I was out there meeting with the great Barbara Hames Bryant at their beautiful ranch office building situated right in the center of their absolutely beautiful neighborhoods, their manufactured homes neighborhoods that Hames Homes has there in Southwest Cedar Rapids.
Both before and after my visit to the offices there, Scotty, I just drove through the neighborhoods.
You know, these homes are aesthetic.
They're beautiful.
They're very sturdy.
What impressed me, Scott, the landscaping was absolutely impeccable.
It was manicured.
Christmas lights on all the homes, flagpoles sporting old glory in the front yard, city lights.
And it was just not one, but two of these great communities
I'd be proud to live there if I ever go back home and live next to mom.
I would take a serious look at that.
It was awesome, Scott.
Boy, the way you're describing it almost sounds like it's Norman Rockwell painting and John Ford and Steven Spielberg would be impressed by the way you're describing the whole situation there.
Barbara, how impressed are you with how John did that for you?
It's a calendar.
Oh, I'm so happy John finally got to come see our neighborhoods.
I've been describing them for months, but he actually got to see them, see for himself that I wasn't really bragging.
These are lovely, livable, friendly neighborhoods that we've been working on for 30 years, day by day, inch by inch.
We've been making them the most livable neighborhoods in Iowa.
They're literally beautiful.
Of course, I was so used for so many years
of the Hames location up there where Marion meets Cedar Rapids and Hiawatha not too far away.
Remembering visiting with the Great Curt Hames up there.
And boy, Barbara Southwest Cedar Rapids is really undergoing tremendous growth, but you've done a great job with your zoning there.
You've got a country setting.
It's just beautiful.
It really is.
We like to say you're living in the country with all the amenities of living in the city.
We're just minutes away from the Eastern Iowa Airport, from the Amanda Colonies and Whirlpool, just a few minutes away from Kirkwood Community College, from CRST Trucking.
and from the Westdale shops and restaurants.
That's the thing.
Westdale Mall is right there.
I had a little time arriving early.
I got to stop in a Menards and check out a few things that I needed to follow up on.
It's just, it's really, really just a wonderful place, Scott.
And the infrastructure is all modern.
And Barbara, I can tell
These are families that live in these communities.
I mean, you see swing sets, you've got your parks set up there recreationally for the kids, you've got a food pantry, you've got a lot of green space.
It's wonderful.
It's definitely an all-age neighborhood.
Not only do we have parks and playgrounds for the kids, we also have a dog park for the four-legged friends, and we also have senior activities.
Our seniors do bingo and cards at the Summit View.
community room every week.
People just love living here.
It's a lifestyle.
It really is living in a planned managed community.
It's not for everybody.
Some people want that bigger yard.
Some people need to live out in the country.
But for the folks that live here, they're very satisfied.
Thanks for coming out yesterday, John.
I know the drive was a hassle, but I really appreciate you coming out.
It means the world to me.
Tell us how, if we want to take a tour, is there a website we can go to or a phone number we can call to set up a tour to see what's going on in your neighborhoods?
Our website is www.hameshomes.com.
That's H-A-M-E-S-H-O-M-E-S dot com.
You can view all of our beautiful homes, our lovely neighborhoods, and also get in touch with a salesperson who'd be happy to show you around.
It's
always good to see you, Barbara.
My mom gives her best to you, too.
She was excited that I got out there.
Oh, please tell her I said hi.
I will.
She's doing well, and she gives her best.
Barbara, we'll catch you next week.
Thanks so much for being on again, our Jacobson Group program on KXEL, the blowtorch of Eastern Iowa.
Welcome back to the Jacobson Group Part 2 of our examination, our special report on the assassination of President John F. Kennedy, 60 calendar years ago, 59 full years ago, with Scott Corey, Mike Shane.
And part one last week with our superstar Iowa panel that has a lot to say about this because of their connections to that terrible day.
Laura Bellin, the daughter of David Bellin, Iowa's attorney from Des Moines, founder of Bellin Law, who was a counsel for the Warren Commission Report, the definitive declaration, the official
government report on the assassination of JFK.
Brian Douglas, whose father, Richmond Dick Douglas, was the cameraman for Walter Cronkite, the day that changed TV news coverage in America, the first network on the air television, Dick Douglas, the cameraman for Walter Cronkite.
Also, Bruce Crawford with us,
Bruce is an honorary Academy Award winner, also feted by the Kennedy Center Honors awarded for film preservation from no less than Tom Hanks himself.
Bruce is a critic of Oliver Stone's JFK, and Bruce also is a film historian who has done a lot of historical research on the assassination, including interviews with many of the law enforcement
and medical people that were involved in Dallas that day.
And Georgetown coach Emeritus, Patrick J. Knapp Jr., kind of emblematic of a junior high Catholic kid growing up in Philly and how that day impacted those communities.
John F. Kennedy, the first Catholic president, and fascinating vantage points from all of these.
Last week,
We focused on how the media portrayed the coverage that day.
We had a seldom heard, it's actually play by play of the motorcade from KBOX radio in Dallas that actually had a mobile reporter on the scene.
Then we told the story of Maryman Smith and the AP reporter duking it out
as the motorcade fled to Parkland Hospital over who got their hands on the phone that called in the first wire report.
Maryman Smith, UPI got it.
Then we played ABC News special report on American contemporary radio, pulling up the Maryman Smith wire report, getting it on the broadcast waves first.
That was ABC interrupting Doris Day, singing hooray for Hollywood.
Then we took it further.
to the Cronkite coverage interrupting as the world turns on CBS and essentially Cronkite's trajectory through the day.
And last week, of course, we culminated the coverage with Walder Cronkite's final official announcement that President Kennedy was felled from the wounds of an assassin.
We're going to start with that today and then go into the reflections of not how the media covered it, but what really happened that day from the criminal standpoint, who was the perpetrator, what may have been the motivations, and how does the evidence line up?
David Bellin has been acquitted of his
postulates that were derided for some years, but he's been vindicated with the single bullet theory.
Of course, those that still think there may be some sort of conspiracy or those that think there might have been another shooter, perhaps on the grass, you know, who may have fired shots, we do know with apedictical certitude that the two bullets that struck President Kennedy
the non-lethal wound through the neck and throat, and then the lethal wound from the head both came from Lee Harvey Oswald's rifle.
But much was determined, much was investigated, and we've gone through various iterations and cycles, and so we're going to show you today how David Bellin pieced this together definitively
with the single bullet theory that now is accepted universally scientifically as the correct accounting.
One of those bullets that hit President Kennedy did go through and also hurt President or Governor John Connolly.
And so let's rejoin where we were and
Take a listen with us.
A lot of Iowans, very integral to this story, not the least of which is Tom Pettit, who is at WOI in Ames right before going to Dallas for NBC News, who had the only story video live Sunday morning of Jack Ruby.
shooting Lee Harvey Oswald as Oswald was being transferred from the Dallas jail.
President Kennedy himself rose rather early and went out into a parking lot near the hotel in Dallas where he addressed informally a rather large crowd of people and had pleased them with his quips about the fact that he was sorry that he could not bring Mrs. Kennedy with him
down to that particular meeting, but that it took her a little longer to get organized than it did him, but that, as he said, it's worth it.
And the crowd laughed and applauded and enjoyed the quip.
The president then went on to the breakfast meeting, and shortly thereafter, his plane took off from Carswell Air Force Base in Fort Worth and flew him to his rendezvous with death, apparently, in Dallas, Texas.
at the airport in Dallas and throughout the streets of Dallas, the Dallas police had been augmented by some 400 policemen called in on their day off because there were some fears and concerns in Dallas that there might be demonstrations at least that could embarrass the president because it was only on October the 24th
that our ambassador to the United Nations, Adley Stevenson, was assaulted in Dallas, leaving a dinner meeting there.
From Dallas, Texas, the flash, apparently official, President Kennedy died at 1 p.m.
Central Standard Time, 2 o'clock Eastern Standard Time, some 38 minutes ago.
Vice President Lyndon Johnson has left the hospital in Dallas, but we do not know to where he has proceeded.
I would just say that's a consummate professional.
I mean, telling that anecdote about Jack and Jackie at the impromptu address before the breakfast, talking about some of the unrest that had been in Dallas, talking about the irony of being in the seat, raised in the car,
using the term rendezvous with death, I mean, that was pretty professional in the fog of war chain of events and literally Brian Dick Douglas was there bringing that to the world.
Yeah, I know it's you know, it was so I couldn't help but be struck by that What amazing as living going with listen my father's running over to the AP machine ripping off Handing it to him.
It was you know, there wasn't there weren't there weren't APs there weren't assistants, you know, they're sort of doing this at a go but boy how eloquent I Mean that's that that had pulled up to this day people don't do as well
You know, man, just encapsulating, tap dancing, waiting for more information to come in, trying to be informed, be informative at the same time, almost stalling in a way.
But how thoroughly eloquent that was, that's chilling, just listening to that.
Yeah, it really, really is.
And Coach, you were talking about watching that Sunday.
Morning on television.
We're going to pull up the ruby audio only one of the networks was carrying that live on Sunday morning and It's it's fascinating because Bruce and Laura will talk about this later There are some conspiracy theorists that think that
Ruby was involved, but David Bell and really nukes that argument, and we'll talk about that later with Bruce Crawford, but it is true that Tom Pettit, who had been at WOI in Ames, was NBC reporter there at the transfer of Oswald live on that Sunday morning.
ABC and CBS were not there alive, and it was a video
video live feed that morning of the transfer of Lee Harvey Oswald, which actually is David Bellin points out was supposed to take place at 10 not at 1130 That's a great story here that we'll get into but coach saw this coach nap saw this live on NBC as a fifth grader Let's pick this up Mike Shane
To Dallas, Texas and Tom
Pettit
There is Lee Oswald.
He's been shot.
He's been shot.
Lee Oswald has been shot.
There's a man with a gun.
It's absolute panic.
Absolute panic.
Here in the basement of Dallas Police Headquarters, detectives have their guns
drawn.
Oswald has been shot.
There is no question about it.
Oswald has been shot.
Pandemonium has broken loose.
Here in the basement of Dallas Police headquarters, now whether the bullet literally hit Oswald or not, we are not absolutely positive, but there has been a gunshot.
Oswald reached for his stomach doubled up.
It'll be impossible to determine whether he was hit or not.
Did
you see whether or
not he was hit?
He was hit,
wasn't he?
He grabbed himself on the side and fell to the ground.
That was my understanding.
We were, what, four feet
away from him?
I was
five feet in front of him
when he
shot.
What is your name?
Frank Johnson.
And
you're with?
UPI.
He did grab his stomach.
I saw him
grab his
stomach.
Yes,
he did.
Right from the side.
Lee
Oswald obviously has been shot.
The witnesses around
us here
seem to confirm that it happened
so
fast and with such suddenness
that you
can understand it is
virtually
impossible to determine the direction from which the bullet came, although police obviously
in a
rather excited state are attempting to determine where the
shot came from captain captain captain
oh now did tell me your name yeah this is I'm Jeff Edwards from KHJ radio in Los Angeles I was standing over towards the towards the left
Oswald came out, he had the same look on his face that he always does.
Suddenly, someone
had
a loud firecracker rang out.
He grabbed his side and he
said,
ow, and
fell to the ground.
And I saw the flash right on his black sweater.
The flash, oh yeah.
The man is at a hat, a dark hat, a brown suit, he was stocky and strong.
He came to him and he put the gun right there.
I saw the flash over the black sweater.
Yeah, and
like... Oh, he was right here.
The
was right here.
You probably had it on your TV camera.
No, I saw a man there.
I thought he was one of the detectives.
a stocky guy, well dressed, with a hat.
he go?
I don't know.
I think his coat was brown and his hat was
was here.
He just shot there.
He just put the gun there.
I saw the flash on the black sweater.
Amazing.
I was too young to remember that as Laura would be too young to remember that, but coach, you were in fifth grade.
What did you think?
Did you have a sense that things were just falling apart at that point?
I was amazed.
I had no idea of any theories of any kind at that time about why Ruby would shoot Oswald.
But the first thing that went through my mind was, you know, damn it is not going to stand trial or damn it, we're not going to hear what happened from his mouth.
It was it was pretty shocking.
Yeah, it, Bruce, I'm going to bring you in here right now and Laura.
It's fascinating.
I think some conspiracy theories began almost at that point But Bruce, I know you're a great admirer of David Bellin.
Is that fair to say?
David Bellin made the great point.
I'll bring Laura in too Laura your dad debunked.
I think multiple times, you know, he had some classic
television debate battles with Professor Blakey from Notre Dame.
One was firing line with Buckley in 81.
One was with Ted Koppel and actually represent Stokes and Anthony Summers in 91.
But your father pointed out that Ruby didn't even know that Oswald was supposed to be brought out at 10 if they had brought
uh... as well now that ten ruby would have even been at the police station
yes and i want to emphasize i was born after all these events occurred but i did hear my father talking about the many times and keep in mind that when all of this was unfolding my dad had no idea that he would be involved in any commission to investigate the assassination he was just watching the horrifying news like everybody else in the country and at the thirty five-year-old
lawyer in Des Moines, he's watching this and his first thought was that somebody silenced the assassin.
I mean, it looked to everybody like a conspiracy.
How does somebody like Jack Ruby get so close to the police station?
But as the Warren Commission investigated and as they learned much more about Jack Ruby and the circumstances of that day, as you say, Oswald should have been transferred long before that.
His interrogation was extended in part because the postal inspector
decided to go down to the station.
He normally would just go to church on Sunday, but he decided to go down there.
He was involved in the criminal investigation because there was a mail fraud charge related to Oswald ordering the gun that was used.
But in any case, that ended up extending the interrogation.
Then I think Oswald wanted a change of clothes.
And so Jack Ruby didn't know that this transfer was happening.
He wasn't even planning to be downtown.
One of his dancers
in his nightclub called and wanted a wire transfer in the only Western Union office that was open on Sunday mornings was the one downtown by the police station.
So there was a series of happenstance of things that happened.
He did routinely carry a pistol and he did hang around the police station.
So he was in a position, he was, I guess, you know, from his perspective in the right place at the right time, but from the perspective of people who would have
wanted to see a full investigation and a trial at the absolute wrong time.
He should never have been able to get that close to the transfer.
Yeah, Bruce Crawford, how did that happen?
You talked to some of those cops down there, and I know you also stand with David Bellin that was not a conspiracy with Ruby, and I know that in general, your anti-conspiracy theories on this, you really backed David Bellin.
and the commission's determination such that I don't think you're a big fan of the movie JFK, Oliver Stone's JFK, are you, Bruce?
The other thing I like about it is John Williams' music score,
that's about it.
What about the thing with Ruby?
What do you know about Ruby?
What do you know about that day when he was shot?
You know, there's always speculation.
Were there mob connections with Ruby and mobsters who may not have liked JFK?
Address that issue for us,
Bruce.
correct, that's exactly what happened, is that Oz will also ask for a change in clothes, which delayed his transfer even further.
His personal inspector holds on interviewing.
That went on for like a half hour, longer than it should have, this person had gone.
And, you know, there's no greater conspiracy than happenstance.
And that is the worst conspiracy of all.
And happenstance was that Ruby was downtown transferring $25
check to his stupor girl that he knew that needed money.
Otherwise, he would not have been downtown.
Plus, he brought his dogs with him.
He had two little dogs and dogs, I believe.
We need dogs.
And he left them in the car when he went to do the transfer.
And then he decided, I'll take a walk over and take a look at what's going on down at the basement of the police station.
Because he was there frequently.
He was afraid of men.
At the cost, they all knew him very well for years.
So it was not that unusual to see him.
Plus, he was also a mentally unstable person.
He got caught up in the when the sensation happened.
He was so Angry and and upset and heartbroken over it as many people obviously were and Jim Lavelle I get to speak to he's the famous police Texas police officer wearing the white hat the white suit in the white to come white with colored suit It's handcuffed.
I was well when he shot people all the members if you see the fishy
Oh iconic photo.
Yeah, the the white hat white suit.
Yeah
He said that, uh, he said that he goes, he goes, he asked Ruby, is why'd you do it, Jack?
He says, well, I thought about it ever since the president died when this man was arrested.
I've been thinking about doing something.
And then Lavelle said, he goes, well, he was a lot of people talking about it.
Because he had scores of people come up to him later and said that their anger was so great that afternoon.
The president was worried that he said they could have killed him with their bare hands and never looked back.
So there was.
The feeling was so fervent.
I mean, although, if I would have been let go, he would have walked into the streets and someone would have killed him.
Yeah, Bruce Carpenter.
Bruce, you talked to all these guys, didn't you?
You talked to Lavelle himself and got some background.
We'll talk about, before we go on, we're going to introduce David Bellin's great comments before the National Press Club.
But Bruce, I want to bring you in.
You have some information that very few people have heard.
You talked.
You really have a good idea of what happened in the hospital, including the state of the president's actual health, how long he lived, how long he could have lived, what it was like in the room when he died.
Can you just kind of project through that a little bit for us?
Well, I spoke to Dr. Paul Peters and Ronald Jones at one point.
They were there on emergency room.
And also, I didn't speak to him, but he was on the Lady King show one time.
Dr. Grossman is a neurosurgeon assistant to camp Clark who is the chief neurosurgeon that he was the actually this most senior doctor in the room at the time an emergency room And what was fascinating about this is that the person did not die instantly which most people would assume he would but but he did not I mean he may have been brain dead but his body was still living he was still breathing and he had in fact Dr. Baxter who was the head of the emergency room So they got his pulse up to a hundred beats a minute
In resuscitation, if you're at DOA, you have zero pulse.
So his body was still, you know, keeping trying to stay alive.
And like Dr. Sider said to you, he goes, well, if he had kept him alive, he goes, what would you have had?
You know, a man who would just be in a permanent coma.
If he could have, Dr. Rusman said he, they believed the time he could have lived for several hours, even for several days.
Because the rain stem of the president's body was undamaged.
And the back keeps you going, you know, your heart beating and your legs beating.
But, you know, but again, it would be the point, you know, you just like a person that's just a, you know, a comatose body for months or years.
That would be a horrible way to exist.
Was Jackie asked, you talked to all these doctors.
Was Jackie asked what she wanted to do, Bruce?
There's a lot of stories behind that.
It's never been released that she knew that the president's father had suffered a severe cerebral hemorrhage three years before.
It was just in a wheelchair.
It couldn't even.
take care of himself, couldn't talk even hardly.
And he said, if anything happens to me, don't let me live.
And that crossed her mind, you know, she, she did the severe brain damage that he suffered from Oswald's bullet wound.
And Dr. Clark, with the president, the heartbeat, the heart was still the screen, I forget what they call it now, but it has the, show the heartbeat, there's a name for that, but I can't think of it at the moment.
And it was an erratic dying heartbeat.
And then it went flat line.
And he did go to cardiac arrest at about 1257, 1258.
And after being shot at 1230.
And even if there was a state of efforts, they thought they were going to do chest compressions.
And Dr. Malcolm Perry, who took over, Dr. Malcolm Perry took over when he got in the room from Dr. Kariko, who was the first person to see the president.
And by giving him a whole blood transfusion, they were doing the whole nine yards.
And Dr. Clark, who was the chief neurosurgeon, saw the extent of the right cerebral hemispheres, so it was severely damaged and a lot of it missing.
And he said the left cerebral hemispheres were virtually untouched, as well as the cerebellum and the brain stem.
But still, recovery would probably have been not possible.
People can survive the most horrible things, but they never recover.
He never would have had any kind of recovery, obviously.
And then Dr. Clark says, no, we're not going to do any more stop.
And I think that's what Jackie would have preferred.
He says, why keep him alive if he's going to be in a vegetative state or in a chromatic state?
And his story is Dr. On the Light King Show on Dr. Grossman, the assistant neurosurgeon who was in the room with Clark, who was the chief neurosurgeon and the most senior doctor in the room.
Dr. Grossman said that when I saw the wound, he goes, we all, Dr. Clark and I both assessed it.
the president could probably live for several hours or even for several days if we keep him alive keep him going but again for what reason you know what would be the point and uh... the thing that's very striking is that even Dr. Jones will said that there is sort of they said there were not superstitious men there have been medical sciences that said that there was an aura around the president's body
an aura, a-u-r-a, an aura around the president's body
and the late king was far-regressed and there was a broadcasting and he was an aura
Dr. Bruceman says, I'm not a superstitious man.
There was an aura around his body, and we watched it fade as he died.
Wow, amazing.
Isn't it amazing?
Bruce, when we see the Zapruder film, that headshot that killed the president, not the neck wound, but the headshot, it looks like his head explodes, but you're telling me that actually they could have shown him
publicly jackie augert against it can you tell us a little bit about that sir i think it's fascinating
you have the uh... uh... you know dr dr dr mckay with the president's special assistant he insisted that we make the president's body do the full restoration for applying cases of public cases of viewing which there was a viewing in the white house
there was a private viewing in the white house
yes and uh... they brought in uh... uh... famous uh...
in Washington, DC, a famous mortuary, Joseph Gowler and sons, and a fellow named Thomas Robinson, who's still alive today, was the head person who restored the president's appearance.
And they did a fantastic job restoring him.
It was actually a fairly simple job.
Hiding the headwood was not that difficult, technically speaking.
And he looked so good that they thought you could just actually shake his arm and wake him up.
It was so disturbing to them to see him
look restored to that appearance.
And Dr. Cullen Hill, who's still living, still alive and well, the secret service agent jumped in the car, said that they had done, I saw him one time give a talk and he said, he finally said, they did a fantastic job restoring the person's appearance.
It could have very easily been an open viewing coffin, but Jackie did not want that.
She thought he looked too waxed and too much makeup.
But some people thought they're two or three of them that viewed the body in the East Room, so he looked very presentable, looked very well.
And it could have been easily an open viewing.
It was clear that it could have been.
Dr. James English, who was one of the people who viewed the body, was from the Peace Corps, for Sergeant Shriver.
And he went to view the body.
Him and Robert McEmery, students said it could very easily be open.
But they were overridden by everyone else thinking that the body looked too made up and too much cosmetic.
And that's what it did.
Some people thought it didn't.
Others thought it didn't.
And, uh, so the Jackie's wish was not to see him in the coffin like that.
Let's, uh, yeah.
Bruce, let's take a look at, um, one of the big, the crux of this whole debate is really how many shots were fired and was there a different bullet that hit Governor Connelly than hit President Kennedy and, uh, David Bellin.
from ground zero when he first was put on the Warren Commission.
And he went in with that great healthy skepticism, he'll talk about it here, but he's been vindicated through history on the single bullet theory.
Let's
have...
Yeah, it's no longer theory, it's a fact.
Let's pull that up from the National Press Club, David Bellin, J.D.
Esquire.
You'll hear a question at the beginning, and then Mr. Bellin will respond.
Several questioners say that in the movie JFK during the trial scenes, an illustration used to show the course of the third bullet, I guess the magic bullet, seems incredible.
It shows it taking a lot of twists and turns.
Did that bullet take the course described by Costner?
Was there a fourth shot?
Well,
That's the testimony of the 20th doctor.
But I'll tell you, since you've asked the question, I'll tell you how this thing of bullet theory developed.
I was a young trial lawyer from Warren, Iowa, Washington.
The last thing in the world you want to do is to spend months there and come up with the same conclusions as the FBI that the first bullet struck Kennedy, the second bullet, Connolly, the third bullet, Kennedy.
And I followed Earl Warren.
I left Ohnstone and turned to find the truth well.
In the Zapruder film, we numbered each frame in slides.
A fatal shot was frame 313.
You couldn't see when President Kennedy was first hit because his head disappears behind a freeway sign and it reappears at a frame with his hands coming up to his throat at frame 225.
The camera ran, we had the Zapruder camera ran at 18.3 frames a second.
So if Kennedy was doing this at frame 225, maybe half a second earlier, he was hit say around frame 215 or 216.
You couldn't see exactly where Connelly was hit.
Now Connelly basically says that he was hit by the second bullet.
I reasoned that if I could prove that the rifle could not be fired fast enough to have one rifleman do it all, we had the rifle that the FBI said at that time couldn't be fired faster than two and a quarter seconds.
It actually could, but they told us two and a quarter seconds, you multiply two and a quarter,
times 18.3 frames a second, that's about 40 frames.
But you couldn't tell even with the best photography experts in the world at that time where Conley was hit.
One weekend, I used to go home to mowing every other weekend, but one weekend I was working and all of a sudden I got a great idea.
Governor Conley's physicians all agree that he was hit by one bullet.
Say, if Kay doesn't ever tell you that, the bullet entered his back, exited his right chest, went through the back of his wrist, exited the front of the wrist and a superficial wound in the leg.
And I said, he had to be sitting in a certain position to take that wound.
And so I contacted Secret Service in Dallas, and I said, have Governor Connelly's physicians reconstruct his position to show how he had to be sitting to take the wound that he did.
And they did that, and I got back with the Sepurter film, and I said, OK, where could he be sitting in this film to take this kind of a hit?
And lo and behold,
commencing at around frame 200 or so, he could take the hit, or 210, whatever it was.
But he couldn't take the hit after frame 240.
And if Kennedy was hit at frame 250 or 220, and Conley was not hit after frame 240, and if the camber ran at 18.3 frames a second, a maximum of second or second and a quarter, there had to be a second gunman.
I called home that night to my wife.
I said, Conley,
I think I've done it.
I think I've proved there was a second gunman.
Well, the only thing wrong was that there wasn't any sign of the bullet that went through President Kennedy's neck.
And so we did some moon ballistic tests through the Edgewood Arsenal.
What happens to a rifle bullet that passes through a neck this way?
How fast does it enter?
How fast does it exit?
We used goat meat and 20% gelatin compound in different experiments.
It entered about 1,900 feet a second, exited at 1,800 feet a second.
At that speed, it had to eat
either caused great damage to the car, which it didn't, or hit someone in the car.
We then reconstructed the motorcade frame by frame down Dealey Plaza, and lo and behold, commencing around frame 2, 7, 2, 10, or thereabouts, through a single-lens reflex camera with the rifle scope, Connelly and Kennedy are right online.
And so we had to conclude.
I had to conclude that my second gunman theory was no good and that the bullet indeed that went through President Kenny's neck struck Governor Connelly.
That's the way it happened.
That's the way the signal that three developed.
And our inspector was the one that examined the doctors that helped develop the theory.
I suppose if I never would have done this, who knows what would have happened in the neighborhood.
That's what happened.
Wow, what extraordinary legal and detective work.
Laura, how proud are you of your dad?
That's been vindicated.
through history, as Bruce and I claim.
What was it like growing up in that household?
He's talking about going home, talking to Connie into Moyan, Iowa.
It's incredible.
What was it like growing up in a household like that?
He's talking about going home to Moyan, talking to Connie, talking about the theories.
What a great man and makes us proud to be in Iowa.
to have experienced this while he was on the Warren Commission.
I always knew that this was something really important that my dad had worked on.
And I want to recommend, in addition, there have been many good books written about the assassination, but Philip Sheenan, who is a New York Times investigative reporter, former New York Times reporter, wrote a book that was published in time for the 50th anniversary of the assassination called A Cruel and Shocking Act.
And it is also a history of the Warren Commission as well.
as a discussion of the assassination.
And there was some information in there that I didn't even know, and possibly that my dad didn't even know about the Warren Commission.
But he talks a lot about the detective work that went into establishing not only the single bullet theory, but also establishing, could people in the schoolbook depository building, could they have heard those cell casings fall on the floor?
Could they, Oswald have had time to get down from the sixth floor to escape and so on.
And some of the witnesses who were not
properly interviewed by the Dallas police at the time, including one of the eyewitnesses to the murder of Officer Tippett.
And I know my dad would want to make sure that we all remember that Officer J.D.
Tippett was also murdered that day in Dallas.
But I am so proud of the work that he did, and I'm proud that in his later years that he spent a lot of time, pro-pro bono time, defending the Warren Commission's investigation and record and trying to beat back
some of the conspiracy theories, but in the 1980s and 1990s did have a lot of popular support.
You know, Laura, what I love looking at these public comments from your father on these various programs, the great David Bellin, the dignified civility.
He was on firing line and he would admonish Professor Blakey to
not interrupt him and let him go ahead now and divulge his, uh, you know, uh, apologetics on, on why he believed that he was correct.
And same on Ted Koppel that Anthony Summers from England, uh, was really kind of irascible.
And, you know, your, your father in such a dignified way, it was such that, uh, Copeland Buckley, they, they sense the dignity and gentile, uh, civilized.
attack that your father took, it really even rained them in.
Mark Green was on that debate, not debate, but that firing line show with Buckley too, a young Mark Green.
It's really quite, I mean, it's amazing here that we've got these Iowa connections to solving this case here.
And so let me go where some fear to tread with the four of you folks here.
I'm not a big government guy, and I say to myself, I know there's reasons for CIA and FBI hatred of JFK.
There's reasons for mafia hatred of JFK.
There's reasons possibly even for the anti-Castro Cubans that didn't succeed at the Bay of Pigs to be frustrated with JFK.
There was never any love between Lyndon Johnson and the Kennedys.
You know, the, uh, a later commission, uh, took a look at, you know, we're hunting Sturgis possibly involved.
Uh, Bruce Crawford, didn't people have means, motive and opportunity?
Theoretically speaking to, I mean, even if Oswald was a lone gunman, would he have maybe had some encouragement from some bad guys?
Bruce Crawford, what say you?
Well, of course there's always that possibility, but, uh,
There wasn't a president in our country, a sister didn't have people out there that didn't want to kill them.
Every single one of them has.
And from day one, there was plus to kill Washington, you know.
And so from the very beginning of this country, that's always existed.
There's always been somebody with a garage or mentally ill people.
Doesn't matter who you are, who they were.
But yeah, means most opportunities is not a conspiracy make.
That doesn't mean a darn thing.
But the greatest conspirator and the greatest threat is happenstance and coincidence.
Those are the things that get people killed more than any conspiracy.
In this case, there's plenty of happenstance and missed opportunities.
Because, you know, Lee Harvey Oswald was mentally ill.
On top of that, he was a devoted Marxist, a true believer in true Marxism and believed the violence was necessary to create an over, communist overflow, perlutionary overthrow of this country.
Which is what he believed.
He truly believed that.
He was a true believer.
On top of that, he was just a mentally unstable person.
And the people in Russia where he stayed there in Russia and tried to commit suicide over there.
Because the man was just mentally ill and just a screwball.
Well, once again, thank you again to John Jacobson, Laura Bell, and Bruce Crawford, Patrick J. Knapp of Georgetown, and Brian Douglas as they take us through that fateful day, November 22nd, 1963.
As we continue our series and wrap it up next week, we will also have new information that was brought to light on Thursday's episode of Tucker Carlson on Fox News where he discussed the releasing of even more information of the JFK files.
So tune in next weekend
to hear more.
John Jacobson here with Scott Corey and Mike Shane.
Where's that Mike Shane ringtone our super engineer here as we coordinate from all over the state of Iowa this cutting edge interview.
This is ingrained in my DNA, Scott.
When I hear this sounder, I know important news is about to be promulgated to the
citizenry.
Well, I think part of Mike's contract is that we all have to have his ringtone when he gives us a call.
Exactly, exactly.
We're here with the great ones.
Dr. Ted Fogarty, Dr. Bradley Meyer, our cutting edge curative doctors in Iowa that did so much.
to quell and to defeat COVID with their front end antiviral aggressive therapy and vindicated such that now that they have won cares grant funding for some of their work and Scotty their work in hyperbaric
is even more cutting edge with the things they've been able to do to reverse stroke, concussions, and other such things.
Not only that, it's also used by some of our athletes as well, you know, to deal with some of their aches and pains and concussions as well.
Doc, lead us in, Dr. Fogarty and Dr. Meyer.
Yeah, thank you, John, and Scott and Mike.
Well, Brad and I are just...
On the road from Abes, back to Okuboji area and fighting through the snowdrifts and hoping to get safe travel.
But, you know, in my work in North Dakota as the chair of radiology for the University of North Dakota School of Medicine, I stumbled across spirulina years ago.
Spirulina, spell spirulina.
Yes, it's S-P-I-R-U-L-I-N-A.
Okay, very good.
And it's a radio protective agent.
The Russians used spirulina and some other algae products that are safe for human consumption in detoxing people in the surrounding areas of Chernobyl.
And so I really kind of first got on to that.
In an aerospace radiology medicine kind of context, NASA has been using spirulina also for many years in the space station program.
And so it's just historically, it's a new world product of the Americas that the Aztecs actually discovered 500 years ago when they were doing battle with the Spaniards.
And so it is a single-cell organism that self-replicates in 24 to 48 hours under culture.
And we have this incredible grower industry.
Technically, it's an ag product.
oldest and most renowned grower in America is in California.
It's called Earthrise and I've discussed some of their uses in the agricultural world of spirulina for weeding feed.
Spirulina is in some of the weeding feeds for our calves in the cattle industry.
and some major companies in the ag world using it.
And so just from an agricultural standpoint as an ag product it has these incredible array of building blocks of everything we need at the cellular level and also some very important pigments that are antiviral in nature.
I included that spirulina into the mix
for the North Dakota CARES Act naturopathic medical countermeasures that I came out with that includes the purple powder, which...
A small percentage of that triple powder
is
spirulina, and you don't really need a whole lot of it.
According to our taxpayer-funded research in the world's medical literature in PubMed, if anybody who's listening to me and has been listening to the Jacobson group over time here would understand that I love to teach our citizenry how to use our US taxpayer-funded database of
of PubMed.
And so if you do a search on Spiralina and then viral, the term viral, and you'll see about 60 scientific reports of how our nations and our world scientists are trying to find a way to leverage the antiviral pigments of Spiralina to come up with a pharmaceutical concept.
But this is a nutraceutical concept.
It's a designer nutraceutical that I was commissioned to put together out of the North Dakota Federal
federal CARES Act grant system, and it's in the mission of the grant that I'm to broadcast this to everyone that I can, not just in health care, but also just every average American citizen.
And so the $50,000 that the federal government actually
commissioned me to come up with this broadcasting platform and this teaching module over state lines is probably the best spent $50,000 of the federal government's money since the start of the pandemic.
You're getting back to regenerating at the cellular level to letting us recharge our body's batteries, essentially, aren't you, Dr. Meyer?
Yeah, absolutely, John.
And what we're seeing right now in the plane chair going into the winter season
is the aftermath of these COVID vaccines that went out.
And all of our immune systems have been injured by the spike protein.
And the spike protein is produced in natural COVID, but it's also, our body is told to replicate this daggers, injurious,
protein that is harmful to our body.
That's what we are telling our bodies to make when we get that that COVID vaccine.
So that in turn has led to more and more respiratory cases.
RSV is on the rise, blue COVID's back.
And the reason again is it's that we have those that have taken the vaccine and unfortunately some unwittingly or being coerced to do so.
Now, we've created a larger reservoir for all of these pathogens, these viruses, and that's why we're seeing more and more of the hospitals filled up with RSV than we ever have kids, a lot of RSV cases with children right now, greater than ever before.
And so, how can we combat this?
And there are a lot of natural measures to combat.
these spike proteins and to boost our immune system.
And
a
lot of them are nutraceuticals, food-based products.
That's the purple powder that has the spirulina in it.
It's the hyperbaric.
And you know, I want to give an example of a case where we've seen a couple folks that this last summer that their heart tissue was damaged.
They had a cardiac event.
One in particular,
She, her cells in her heart were not functioning adequately.
this is documented the reversal in her ejection fraction.
That's how well her heart is pumping.
It went, it doubled, it over doubled.
She started hyperbaric therapy and after she started on the purple powder.
So you liken the heart to the body.
to an engine and if your engine is running and it's low on oil, if it's oil on coolant, it's gonna start to overheat.
So we need to feed our bodies things that they're low on.
A lot of times they're low on glutathione, they're low on different vitamins and different supplements, food and nutraceuticals.
And this is where we're refueling the body and hence the immune system's ability to fight illness.
with these natural measures.
What's the number where they can reach you or a website or the address up there if you guys would be so kind again for maybe some of our newer listeners?
Yeah, 712-339-6024 is our phone number.
And if you're interested in just learning about hyperbaric wellness in the home, just say you'd like to have a visit with Dr. Fogarty and they'll schedule it for us.
If I could, if I could interject one more point here.
Sure, Doc.
Everyone, everyone who's an attorney, an engineer.
a physician or a scientist in our listening area who's hearing about this.
I want them to go to the Canadian Patent Office and search CA 296-3131 and you will see Dr. Albert Krug, originally from Omaha, Harvard-trained psychiatrist, got the patent rights on February 19th of 2020 to lay claim to his formulation Pro-Immune 200
being an antiviral, nutraceutical.
And those claims actually go across international, jurisdictional lines based on the World Patent Cooperative Treaty Agreement between the United States and Canada.
And so the purple powder is based on that patent.
So you guys got science and the law squarely behind you.
Guys, Fogarty and Meyer, how does the studio audience respond today?
There's the crowd they love it Fogarty and Meyer Bradley Meyer Ted Fogarty.
Thanks guys.
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