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Time to bring out our regular guest here on the show, dear friend of mine, Sean Beligin, State Champs Network, Woodward Sports.
First off, Sean, good morning, and how's it going in suburban Detroit, Northville area this morning?
Well, Jimmy, we got that false ball going on right now.
It gives you a hope that temperatures are going to come down and we're going to get that full weather.
So last couple of days have been like that, but you know around here, it'll rare back to the upper 80s and into the 90s within a few days.
So I'm trying to enjoy that full ball because in my humble opinion, I think it's
I
personally love the fall, the cool weather, the leaves, and just when the worm turns, the only bad thing about fall up here is right after fall, we've got to do about 300 some inches of partly cloudy.
Yeah, it's a little different down here.
We get a little extended fall, but yeah, I'm not going to lie, Jimmy, it felt like late September, early October, the last couple of days, and it's been wonderful.
Well, sound speaking, the temperatures rising, trading deadline here and gone.
Monday was the last day.
the big news obviously which isn't a surprise with the scuba trade or being sent to the Dodgers.
I mean everyone has their own opinion about this.
I love the podcast you had with your gentleman Sunday.
I'm drawing a blank on a name.
I actually loved it.
But you hit it on the head, son.
All of this is almost irrelevant because 99.9%.
It looks like a lot.
Yeah, it is.
And you know what's interesting about it, Jim is I think it goes to show you at least under this
current configuration of the major leagues.
I don't think that the Trey Tigers can be considered a serious contender ever.
Ever.
No.
Unless something changes drastically.
Think of all the Trey deadlines.
And I know a lot of people fancy the Tigers as being a playoff contender right now.
And I think they are in name alone and where they're at.
I personally, I think they're going to fall short.
But Jimmy, do you remember a Trey deadline where a contending team sold their best player?
Like Aaron Judge was sold.
sold by the Yankees.
Pedro Martinez was sold by the Red Sox.
It doesn't happen.
And I think it reminds everybody of where this franchise is under this ownership group and with Scott Harris at the helm is President of Baseball Operations.
It's depressing.
There might be more today.
But don't worry, there are a bunch of can't-miss prospects that are coming up.
And the problem with those can't-miss prospects, Jimmy, is who's to say this isn't going to happen to Max Clark in seven, eight years from
now?
Kevin McGonigal, seven, eight years from now.
This is what this franchise unfortunately does, and you know, the few prospects that actually do make it.
Out of all the magical, mystical names that we've heard over the last 20 years, this guy's captain is like, here's a guy that didn't miss.
He won back-to-back Cy Young awards, and we tell him we are not going to pay you market value on good luck in Los Angeles.
It's very disheartening.
It's a reminder, but it's disheartening nonetheless.
well shan is a diehard detri-fan which you are i'm a diehard redstock fan either here or there but uh... the passion with the detri-fan base is second to none but in all reality a question i asked my guest last week uh... capitol game one with everyone getting upset about this situation don't be mad at scuba
The underlying question, Sean, is maybe you know more of the answer, and I do.
Why didn't they try to give him what he wanted?
They just didn't want to spend the money.
To me, that's the puzzling part I don't get.
If you gave him what he wanted, term, and the money he wanted, he would have stayed right, thinking of heartbeat.
Yeah, they weren't going to do it.
I think they looked at it.
And you know, really, the final nail in this coffin, Jimmy, came when they signed Brambert.
Because the devil's in the details more often than not.
It's not just what they gave him next year, but it's about
So, you know, I think it's $38 million next year and then $38 million after that.
Well, that's the sign that, well, we're going to give him $38 million, but we aren't going to give Scoobl the $45 million that it would have kept it to keep him here.
So that was, I mean, the devil was in the detail there.
I think that was the final nail in the coffin.
There was no way that they were going to re-up with Scoobl, but it's okay to pay Framber, you know, $37.5 million, $38 million the next time.
couple years.
It's insanity to me.
But that's where this franchise is.
They're just not going to give that big contract.
And Casey Meis is finally rounding into shape.
He really is.
I mean, he can't stay healthy.
You know, it always seems like there's one thing or another.
But, you know, when you look at his numbers this year, this is a guy that's going to command probably $20 million when the free agent's period starts.
Well, they already have Jack Flaherty under $20 million.
something that wasn't going to pull their boat.
So, unfortunately, I think with a franchise like this, Jimmy, it comes down to economics.
And I know on one hand, I can hear somebody saying right now, well, what are you talking about?
They're 10th and payroll.
They're spending, you know, around, before Scoogle, $210 million.
Yeah, but they were short of that luxury tax threshold.
And once they creep up to that luxury tax,
uh... threshold you're going to see them back battle like the greatest corner back there is get to get away from that this is where we're at like a franchise right now jimmy
and you know that i know what we talked uh... uh... early in the season when uh... bell does deal with me i i i mean you guys i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i
A lot of people merit just being upset about the Dodgers being able to do this all the time.
They're just not afraid to go above that luxury tax and the threshold of what they have to spend, correct?
Right now they're estimated to spend $180 million in luxury tax, okay?
Think about that.
That's a lot more than a majority of Major League Baseball teams are paying on their own payroll.
And the problem is Major League Baseball, I do not have any ink.
for the Dodgers.
I don't because if the rules are in place for them to conduct business, they've conducted business.
I would do it.
I would, I would love for the Detroit Tigers to do something like that.
Hey, you're going to let me do this.
Okay.
We're going to do, and, and again, it doesn't guarantee you anything.
It gives you
a huge
advantage and an advantage that the Dodgers have used to win back to back.
And I mean, they are by far the prohibitive favorite for a third straight as well.
So,
um,
The
problem is Major League Baseball.
As you and I have talked about many times over the past year, I cannot wait to see what this offseason holds.
Because if the owners stay hard and fast on them, on instituting a salary cap, and the players' union stays hard and fast and will never accept that, we are going to see baseball for a long time.
And I have a feeling to play out much like the National Hockey League did back in 0405, Jimmy.
And I agree with this, John.
I meant following this a little bit, obviously, with the time I've had, but they're not a part shot.
They're miles apart, it seems like, right?
Yep, yep, no
doubt about it.
I mean, and it's a, you're already starting to hear the propaganda from both sides and people are, you know, kind of digging in their heels and everything.
The big question is, much like it was with the NHL back then, will the union, or excuse me, the owners be unified?
That's the biggest thing, you know, because if there's one or two guys, all the questions back,
back in 0405 where Eddie Snyder in Philadelphia and Mike Killich, are they going to hold the line?
And when they held the line, it was game over for the NHLPA.
They knew it.
They prolonged it, but it was prolonging the inevitable.
And that's the million-dollar question I think at baseball, Jimmy.
These MLB owners hold the line, and they stay in one unified voice.
The MLBPA, there's
no way
they win this, no way.
And so I'm going back to the luxury tax and team's maneuvering to get around it.
I remember not too long ago when Calipera was at Kentucky, everybody hated him because he's getting the ones and guns.
It's not right.
Well, my comment was to a die-hard Michigan fan.
There's nothing wrong with it.
You can do the same thing.
similar with baseball.
And number two, if you spend the money to keep a scoogle in house or just for an example, any other player, you're going to get more people in the stands.
Now you're going away from this trend.
You're getting less people, which puts you in a deeper hole going forward.
You've got it.
And I don't think anybody complained at the end of the year when the Dodgers have to cut that check to every major league baseball team or major league baseball itself or being over the luxury tax.
It's not, you know, you're the Pittsburgh Pirates.
Hey, here's $10 million.
Congratulations.
This is where we're at.
It is such a weird dynamic right now, Jimmy.
It seems to be on the other side, but that's where the Detroit Tigers are at.
They are clearly, clearly on the other side.
There's no doubt about that.
Well, Son, again, we'll stick with Detroit.
The baseball team and hockey team, obviously.
We got to look at ownership of the illiches.
I know you want to get people on the blame, Harris.
eyes him into a point when he was there with you then.
How much of this falls on the Illich family?
Because I hate to say it.
If the Red Wings and the Taggers are relevant, it's a lot more better sport.
But the Red Wings seem to be going against the grain.
And what is the actual mood with media like yourself and other people down right in the middle of this?
There's gotta be a lot of head scratching.
I think the one thing you could say about the Illich family historically, and I think that Christopher is of this
cut from the same thing.
They don't like bad optics.
They are not into bad optics.
So they're going to do things like creep up to the luxury tax.
They are going to do things like saying, well, we're spending.
We're spending.
Look at the salary cap.
How can you yell at us and things like that?
But they're not going to do much more than that.
You know, taking that chance on that big contract and looking at it like a quote unquote investment, if you will.
The Red Wings are
are a mess right now there's no other way to say that i i you could be the biggest i heard redwing fan in the world that they are a little method and it's not only what's going on or or in this case what's not going on with the front office of people but i can be after all this time under steve iserman they they just don't have a lot of talent in the system they don't and uh... there's no way out right now there really isn't and i thought
Well, that's an interesting thing, but Jimmy, the craziest thing in this town, I'll never understand it, is more often than not, they will turn the Teric Scooblin to the villain, or they will turn... You know, whoever the Red Wing player that wants out, Dylan Larkin, they'll turn him into the villain, and things like that.
So, I think that's one thing that the Illiches certainly have in their back pocket.
The ownership has not been good.
There's no other way to say that.
The dynamic changed since Mr. Illich, Mike Illich passed away,
on christopher's watch it it hasn't been good i mean there's no other way to say that and um... there's there's no sign that things are going to change and you're going to get a uh... a real a real competitive contender anytime soon with either franchise part i'm
concerned and you've got to go to hockey team i mean now the big fish are already landed in other markets uh... the larkin thing is just a limbo which is causing all kinds of chaos in class you still have a gm in the office
yeah i mean it's crazy i you know steve is the acting
They get one, and you know, I feel the same way that I did when this came out in June, though, in the best interest of your hockey club.
I know there's a desire to make this go away.
In the best interest of the hockey club, I think you have to wait out Dylan Larkin.
I do.
Hey, Dylan, we are going to do what works best for us.
We cannot make a deal with the Minnesota Wild at this juncture.
We cannot make a deal with any of the teams that you've said that we can deal with.
There is not a deal that makes sense for the Detroit Red Wings.
have to open up.
And if he doesn't choose to do that, you know what I'd say?
Well, you know, how badly do you want out, Dylan?
If you want out that badly, you're going to have to do a little work with us.
And I don't think that that is something that's close
to reality right now.
I really don't.
Has he expanded his no-train list?
I know there was a hot take a while ago that straight up for him and Robinson from Dallas.
Was there any other things to ask on or was that more of a...
I don't think so.
I really
I don't think that was, and you know, obviously, Jason Robertson re-signed one year.
He's betting on himself next year and all that.
Allegedly, Dallas is on there, so you have four teams now.
But right now, there isn't a deal to be made.
I mean, there just, there just isn't a deal to be made.
Or else that deal would have been made.
You know, you take a look at some places, you know, he would fit in in a lot of places.
The question is, does he want to go there?
Is that something in the market?
And that's when I say, okay, well, how badly do you want out?
Because right now, we are not going
going to do something detrimental to the hockey club and it's already precarious future by dealing you to someplace that you want to go for a less than deal for us that just doesn't make any sense.
Yeah, and again when you look at the GM situation now, what's the latest there?
I know you mentioned Horcroft by your draper.
I put his name in there.
I mean, what's what's the latest you're hearing?
i'm finding it amazing up here or there's nothing we could own on n-h-l-r-n-n-h-l network or nothing what what's the word on their side i still
believe i know i told you that i i still believe when all is said and done it'll be horkoff um...
i had
a couple people tell me that christopher really like shorn shorn horkoff that he thinks he's more of a quote-unquote modern day hockey guy that doesn't mean that the redlings aren't going to do their due diligence that doesn't mean that they aren't going to you know do the dance and have the interviews
i am not doing this based i'm not quote-unquote reporting this this is just a a hunt right i think it'll be shawnt horkoff when out of one all of that and done on based on some conversations that i have but who knows maybe you know maybe he's gonna go grab one of the wonder kids that was you know doing some kind of analytic website just a decade ago you know that there there seems to be a move towards that you take a look at what carolina did and you know there are a lot of those uh... wonder kind in there uh...
I'll be interested to see if that's the move that they make, but I really, this is just a hunch, Jimmy.
I really think it'll be Horkoff when all is said and done.
Wow, Sean,
as usual, a great insight, especially the UB down in a hub down there.
And like you mentioned, both those franchises are a little bit in this array right now, right?
Yeah, that's an understatement.
You know, I mean, in different places, I mean, the Tigers, window dressing, you know, hey, look, we're just out and everything, but there's no, there's no chance a team like that's going to win.
a championship and the red wings are so far away from even being at the playoff level it it's gross so yeah we're kind of down
here well so i'm before we go as usual give our audience your numerous websites and podcast uh... uh... info to tune in and i highly recommend you check it out who is with you today night again son i love that segment
uh... my my buddy mike bohanek he is uh... he's one of the sharpest baseball minds i go jimmy he's not he's not in the business that he he's just a buddy of mine and i he's just he's a real sharp baseball guy so
I always have fun talking with him.
But no, thank you.
You know, do the morning show on Woodward Sport with Neil Ruhl and that's a lot of fun.
And as you and I have been talking about privately, it's almost go time.
You know, it's a busy time starts real soon.
The high school football is going to kick off.
I know we're doing the prep kickoff classic down at Wayne State.
We'll have four games on the 27th and 28th.
And you know, not too long after that, we'll talk about hockey and in your neck of the woods, we're defending, you know, the three champions.
So yeah, we're
really looking forward to it, man.
All right, Sam, we're up against it.
Thanks, Mel, for joining us.
We'll get you back in a couple weeks or so.
Sound good?
Anytime at all, Jimmy.
You know that.
Hey, thanks, Sam.
Have a good day, my friend.
You too, buddy.
So I'm a legion.
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