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Good morning, everyone.

Speaking inside the Great Vine today, our guest is going to be our in-house professor, Bill Osbrough.

We'll talk about the Sam and Cup playoffs, game one of few nights ago, game two tonight.

And also, we'll take a look at a couple other odds and ends in sports, and Bill will have a story.

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Hi, good morning, Jimmy.

How are you today?

Not too bad, my friend.

Getting everything wrapped up and moving forward as we say one day at a time, Bill.

You know how that goes, huh?

Well, somewhere here.

So, Tiger enjoyed the sunshine in the Copper Country.

Enjoy?

Well, I can.

That's for sure.

Well, Bill, Stanley Cup playoffs underway.

Carolina, Vegas, game one a few nights ago.

Back and forth game, a total of nine goals.

Vegas wins on the road.

How you up, Bill?

Vegas isn't going away, are they?

I'm surprised.

I watched the first part of the game and the Carolina looked pretty good, but they just came back and pulled it out.

So it's going to be exciting series.

I don't think it's going to go force.

Just four games.

It may go six or seven games.

But before the series started, I think you and I both picked Carolina was going to win it all.

So it's going to go more than four games, Jimmy.

Well, Bill, I got this figured out that if it goes seven games, I believe I'll have to watch that from a hospital bed in Green Bay.

So I'm hoping six games or less, to be honest with you, just for my personal preference.

But I agree with you.

This has a long

I have no idea why they haven't removed the N-term tag from his contract, but 20, I think 28 out of 34 games, he's one cent state, got rid of Cassidy and still hold them hostage.

And I always left Torna Rella though.

I think he's great for the game.

What are your thoughts?

He's heading several stops.

He sure gets the players to listen to him.

He's quite a motivator.

I think sometimes they get a little tired of hearing the same message, but he's doing a magical job with Vegas this year, so we'll see what happens.

Whether it'll keep him around, if he wins it all, they probably will, but he may not last more than another season.

He'll be moving on someplace else.

And game two is tonight on ABC, eight o'clock.

Obviously, CBC, which I will watch most of the pre-game show, although up here it's in low definition.

Which network do you watch, Bill?

You've got both of them now in your area.

You watch the national stateside broadcast, you tune in to CBC up in your Brighton area.

I stream, but I don't have CBC.

So we'll watch it on one of the US networks.

And it'll be ABSPN or ABC.

We'll watch it.

So that's on Tuesday.

That's how I watch it.

I think it was ESPN.

I can remember.

It's just one of those games that's on.

You forget where it is.

I know the NHL games have moved around several places to find them all winter.

Yeah, ABC does have that.

All the final games will be at night.

Bill, before we get to your story, one more thing on the finals.

Carolina's first line still can't find their way.

Their power play is not good at all.

He would think for Carolina to win this thing, they got to get that back open line and that old crew moving a little bit better.

But a lot of coaching adjustments now going into tonight's game.

The top line is having trouble scoring, but boy the fans

sure get behind the team.

I know when they get to Vegas, the Vegas fans will be, it is quite a spectacle.

These games, boy, the fans are sure excited.

We saw that in Montreal, too, in the games before.

It's such excitement.

It's just the... It may be just luck of the puck, where it's going to go, and this first line, they'll come around.

He may shift one or two around, but we'll see what happens.

Especially for Montreal, I'm glad you brought that up, Billy.

Almost seeing that bill was so dragged up the building, I mean.

I think McGrath just didn't look right at home for the whole playoffs and it's almost like, I know it's possible to get too fired up, but you think that was part of the problem with the Canadians?

They know obviously Carolina was a better team, but McGrath had just got off of a time playing at home.

You can see the difference once he got on the road.

Yeah, they probably, well, they're also tired.

They played a lot of games in the playoffs and Carolina really hadn't played a whole lot.

You might be right.

The expectations were so high for the Canadian fans and just got them to a whole different level.

They felt tough to make an error and just very tense and just been tired.

So it's one of those things.

Well, Bill, it's our listeners' favorite part of our segments when you're with us.

We're going into the throwback machine again today.

How far back we go in, Bill, with your history lesson for our listeners, which I'm really intrigued from here at this point.

Well, I'm actually going to go back to 1916.

It's the first time the Montreal Canadiens won the Stanley Cup.

They won 20.

24 Stanley Cups, but I'm going to go back to the first time they won the Stanley Cup.

And it's actually, it involved the game in Houghton, which is kind of interesting, the story shared today.

So in 1916, the Stanley Cup was played between the Montreal Canadiens and the Portland Rosebuds.

At that time,

really the Stanley Cup was played between the champions of the National Hockey Association, which became the National Hockey League and the Pacific Coast Hockey Association.

The Canadians were the champions of the National Hockey Association.

It was still two or three years before the NHL was founded.

And Portland was the champion of the Pacific Coast Hockey Association.

So Portland is actually the first US team

to play for the Stanley Cup.

So there's your trivia question, and you can usually fool most.

The first U.S.

team to play for the Stanley Cup.

At the end, I'll tell you who was the first U.S.

team to win the Stanley Cup.

But at that time, the finals would alternate between the home rink of the National Hockey Association and the home rink of the Pacific Coast League.

It was the best of five series.

So the 1916 finals were played in Montreal.

So Portland needed to travel to Montreal.

As the Rosebuds were traveling to Montreal, they stopped in Houghton to play an exhibition game against a UP All-Star team of players from Calumet, Houghton, and Sue Michigan.

And on that All-Star team were Jack Adams.

He played one year in Calumet from Thunder Bay, and he went on to play in the NHL.

He's a coach and general manager for the Red Wing for many years.

A player from Sub-Michigan, Muzz Patrick, eventually played several years for the Seattle Metropolitan so we can save a whole episode on him.

He's in the U.S.

Hockey Hall of Fame.

Billy Kurtu from North Bay, he played for Sub-Michigan.

He later played for the Montreal Canadiens.

He's actually the only player banned for life from the National Hockey League.

when he attacked a referee in the 1927 Stanley Cup.

And Flare from Houghton was Elmer Socati.

He was the leader, the head coach for the first two years of hockey at the Michigan College of Mines.

He also coached the Houghton High School team in the refereed local games.

This game was played at the Amphibone on Friday, March 17, 1916.

The Portland team included Ernie Moose, Johnson, the defenseman, and Tommy Dunderdale.

They're both of them are in the Hockey Hall of Fame in Toronto.

Dunderdale was the first player from Australia to play in the NHL.

And there were two US-born players.

Goalie, Tommy Murray, he was born in Buffalo, but moved to Winnipeg.

But the famous one of the Copper Country is Charlie Euchkila.

He was born and raised in Calumet.

Charlie went on and played a few seasons in the West.

And when he retired, he got into skating and would travel the United States giving figure skating demonstrations.

And he was one of the founders of a mischoreographer of ice capades and stayed with him in the 1940s.

Well, the All-Stars led 4-0 before Portland scored in the second period.

Portland won the game 7-6.

Jack Adams scored two goals for the All-Stars.

The local newspaper said this is the biggest crowd of the season at the Amford Room.

The exhibition showed the crowd the finer points of hockey and was distinctly pleasing no matter what happened, what the results.

Well, the Rosebuds continued on to Montreal.

And the Canadians were a good team.

Their goalie was George Vesena, and they had Nuzi Lalon, Jack Guadalete, and Petrie O'Neil played in the early 1900s in the International Hockey League.

Well, the series went five games.

Montreal won the deciding game 2-1 to win the cup.

Toronto Uscola scored a goal, and each of the Rosebuds 2 wins.

Now, the winner's share at the time, the Montreal players received $238 for winning the cup that year.

And that said, that was Montreal's first family cup championship.

Now, after the series, the two teams went on a bond storming trip.

They played two games in New York City on April 4th and 5th, and they played three games in Cleveland on April 7th, 8th, and 10th.

And kind of interesting, the Montreal, one, it was total goals, Montreal won the series in New York City, and each player got $700.

And Cleveland, in Cleveland, the Montreal Canadians won again, and they got $600.

So just those five games, they made $1300, which is a little more than they share that they got for the Stanley Cup.

It's an interesting story for today as the Stanley Cup finals get underway.

So the next trivia question is, the first U.S.

team to win the Cup happened in the following season, 1917.

The Seattle Metropolitan beat the Montreal Canadiens to become the first U.S.

team to win the Stanley Cup.

But kind of a fun story when you throw in the troops from the Rosebud stopping in Holden to play an exhibition game.

Well, Bill, my question is, again, you know I have fun with this, and me and you have some fun arguments.

Who's the original six?

Who wasn't the original six?

After the Portland Rose Buds in the Seattle Club, what did they later become, or did they just become this business of baddest and the thin air?

No, they eventually, a few changes, but they went out of business really in the

In the mid-1920s, the League of Changes' name was the Western Hockey League and the League of Changes' name.

So the National Hockey Association, when they were founded in 1917, the Pacific Coast League was still underway.

And when they went out of business, many of the Rosebud players ended up with the Chicago Blackhawks.

And the Seattle team, their players were dispersed, and I think they went out of business before, but some of their players got dispersed with the NHL teams in 1926.

And that's when the NHL took over their famous Stanley Cup.

So the original six were the teams in the NHL from 1942 to 1967.

And then they get into, well, who were the original teams in the first NHL?

And that was way back when it was formed in 1917.

And there were only three teams that ended that season in 1917.

Again, it's a fun conversation.

And we got him out a minute or two left.

But you mentioned some of the games and names.

Vesna, Nuzi, Lolo, now we all know.

I believe his grandson was former Red Wings coach.

And then a name that you've had numerous times in your segments, Mr. Iskola from up in Calumet.

I can't remember how many old stories you shared with me and Bob Urquhart shared with me, that he's in most of these.

He had to be an amazing athlete.

He was.

He only played a couple of years for Portland and he played a year with

Cyclone Taylor in Vancouver for one season.

Then he retired and initially he and his sister got into figure skating and they actually ended up in Australia for a while and he copes a little hockey but he returned and they

in his sister, and then, I think his sister married somebody in Australia, but he married somebody else in the... And Charlie and his wife... Charlie and his wife toured throughout the 1920s and gave figure skating exhibitions.

They actually, in the 1930s, they skated with... Exhibitions with Sonia Hennie, an Olympic figure skater of the 1930s.

And then in the 1940s, when ice capades was formed,

Charlie and his wife were skated with ice capades, and Charlie was the choreographer throughout the 1940s.

We've shared the story with Charlie before, but just a fascinating person out of the copper country.

Well, that was usually a great story.

We'll hook up next week.

I don't know what day here.

Then the following week, I'm pretty sure I will not be available with some medical stuff.

But again, neat story, Bill.

Thanks for sharing.

We'll talk to you next week, OK?

We'll find another good story for you, Jimmy, as the Santa Cuff plans continue on.

So good luck today.

Enjoy the nice weather in the Copper Country.

All right, you too, Don.

You're on your way, Bill.

Thanks.

We appreciate it.

You're a good professor.

Our in-house professor, Bill Sproul, is joining us.

We'll be back next Tuesday.

We have a couple guest lines up.

Nothing official yet.

We're going to send it back this afternoon.

Thanks, Sam.