And it's time for our staying safe segment.
We do this every month or so, and we want to keep you safe.
And today it's all about, well, let's tell our guest today what it's all about.
We have our guest today is, he's a Gary Karner.
I want to take this right, Gary, because I should really write it phonetically.
Gary Karner from Operation Lifesaver.
He's the state coordinator.
And we also have our good buddy in here, Tom Ditter from the Racine County Traffic Safety Commission.
Let's talk about that.
Operation Lifesaver.
So this is about railroad crossings, huh?
Operation Lifesaver is a non-profit organization where we go out and talk to the community, educate them about being safer at railroad crossings and the hazards of trespassing on railroad property.
Now, I'm going to talk to some later on about my railroad crossings.
I grew up near the Long Island Railroad.
Busy commuter railroad.
They also had freight trains on there.
They weren't as common as the Long Island Railroad trains that zipped by at a million miles an hour.
and also subway trains I grew up going to and so forth.
But here, when you grow up outside, the big cities get a lot of freight trains coming by.
And they're not electrified tracks.
I grew up at electrified tracks, where if you touch that third rail, you touch it, you don't know you touched it.
It's all over that quickly.
But here, it's a little different.
Let's talk about some of the things on the staying safe poster here.
You would think that this is common, and I'm just as guilty as anybody else.
You cross where you're supposed to cross at railroad crossings.
Now, we're talking cars and pedestrians.
Correct.
You're supposed to cross where there is a designated area, such as where the road crosses the tracks, okay?
That's considered a designated area.
There are areas out for just pest pedestrians as well that you can cross the tracks, but you're only supposed to cross at those areas.
because otherwise you're actually trespassing on railroad property and that's illegal and you can be fined in the state of Wisconsin.
Now some of the railroad crossings are really bad when you're trying to ride your car over them and I talked to some of the people responsible like the people in the politicians in town and they said that's the railroad's property we can just suggest to them to fix it but if they don't want to fix it they don't fix it and some of them are really
You have to, you take your car, your car is just rocking all over the place going.
Sometimes they fix them, sometimes they don't.
But there's no way to order them to do it, is it?
There is.
What you can do is get ahold of the commissioner of the railroads in the state of Wisconsin, the OCR, and you can actually file a complaint with them.
And then they will actually go out and investigate the crossing, see what it looks like.
And if they feel it's justified that it needs to be taken care of, they will actually
get a hold of the railroad company that owns that crossing and force them to repair that crossing.
Now, you don't live down here, but on Spring Street, some of those railroad crossings are really hazardous to your car.
And I don't see anybody
fixing them.
Then I would say get a hold of it's a state agency.
It's called the commissioner of railroads in the state of Wisconsin, get a hold of them, file a complaint with them, and they will work on it.
All across railroad tracks and designated crossings.
I am very guilty of not doing that.
When I was growing up going to school, the long end railroads got the third rail, which is people know that's an electrified rail.
That's how the trains run.
They run electricity and it's an electrified rail.
Touch it and it's all over.
I mean, can we get near that?
They had a piece of wood on top of it.
and going to high school.
It was either that or walked down a half mile and a half mile back and the kids didn't do it.
We just jumped over it.
I was to stand on the wood and jump off because I didn't want to take a chance of tripping.
But I can't believe my mother let me do that.
I just am really, I don't know how she let me jump that third rip unless she didn't know.
And I mean, I thought she would.
All the kids did it.
And only one kid missed it one time, Joe Cicino.
He missed it and he tripped on the third rail and it was all over.
You know, the thing is, is there's a lot of us that can tell stories like that.
But the thing is, is what we don't realize is that freight train is traveling at 60 miles an hour and it can take over a mile for that train to stop.
So if the engineers and the train, you know, he's coming down, he's doing his due diligence of watching what's going on in front of them stuff.
He sees somebody in front of him.
He does not have a time to stop that train.
It's not going to stop.
So if you trip, fall or something on that track or on a rail, it's going to be too late.
It's, you're not going to make it.
And the commuter trains go even faster because we have the Long Island Railroad and those things were zipping along at a high speed and that was where they can stop on time.
Never we can say something.
No, I'm just gonna say, yeah, Amtrak does 80.
So yeah, they're they're moving.
Never walk, run, play or take pictures on the railroad right of way.
If you're on or near the tracks, you're trespassing on property and breaking the law.
A couple of years ago, they had the big boy locomotive come by.
Yes.
And that was on Airline Road, I think somewhere around there.
And all these pictures standing right and people taking pictures right next to the train coming by, even the police for their taking pictures of this big boy locomotive coming by.
A rare occasion.
It didn't go that fast if they really slowed down so people can take pictures and so forth.
But other than that, you know, when an event like that happens, I mean, you shouldn't stay near the track.
First of all, they have the, what do they call it, the gravel.
That can be kicked up and that thing hits you at a high speed.
It's all over for you.
And you never know what trends can kick up when they come by.
No, you don't.
And the thing is,
freight trains are hauling all different types of product and stuff like that.
Things can fall off of them.
There's can be stuff loose on them.
I mean, we've all gotten the total fights at home, you know, with the wet towel doing dishes and stuff and you get snapped by that.
It stings.
Imagine if you got hit by a strap or something that was loose on a flat car or something as it went by doing 60 miles an hour.
It's not going to sting.
It's going to actually cut you.
It's going to hurt.
We didn't snap towels in
my house.
Oh, you did?
No, we didn't do anything like that.
We were good kids.
We didn't do that kind of stuff.
What are you talking about?
I understand what you mean, though, even kicking something up like a piece of gravel.
I hit you at high speed.
It's
what you think about the other thing that we used to do, put pennies on the track to get them squished.
OK, to see what it looks like as time progresses, everything advances.
And now the design of the wheel
on the rail is such that there's very little bit of it touching the rail.
So now if you put that penny on, it can squish and actually shoot back at you.
So now let's come back at you like a bullet.
So now you're going to cause more damage.
Did you do that?
What, put pennies on the track?
No, I would never do that.
I never did it.
I know people that did though, but I wouldn't.
My mother raised me right.
Of course, you trespassing on private property and breaking the law when you go on the tracks because
You know, when I was talking to one of our county board supervisors, Melissa Caprilli, and she said, well, that's railroad property, those crossings.
You know, we don't control that.
We could talk to them and tell them to fix it up, but it's the railroad that makes the final decision.
What are they going to do with those crossings?
I didn't realize that.
I thought the county owns those
crossings, but no.
No, no.
It's all railroad property.
Usually the tip, I say rule of thumb is that 25 feet on each side of the rails is railroad property.
So they own roughly 50 feet.
of right away through the where the rail runs.
The other thing, I don't know if you realized, but every major what they call class one railroads, the large railroads, have their own police force.
So here in the state of Wisconsin, Canadian National is one of our biggest users of rail and they have five police officers that patrol their area.
Then you have two from Union Pacific.
You have two from Canadian Pacific.
Kansas City.
You have one from Amtrak.
You have Burlington, Northern Santa Fe.
You've got two from them.
So we got multiple law enforcements actually coming out, watching the tracks, verifying that everybody's doing what they're supposed to be doing.
Nobody's stealing anything off the trains and stuff like that.
But they have the same authority that a federal marshal does.
So they can write a ticket.
They can fine you.
They can take you to court the whole bit.
So I mean,
They're out there patrolling their railroads to make sure that they stay safe.
Talking about train crossings today.
Operation Lifesavers, state coordinator Gary Kerner is here and Tom Knitter from the Racine County Traffic Safety Commission is our once a month get together here.
We're talking about how to stay safe on the railroad tracks and so forth.
Whoa.
Some of the stuff is pretty common, but I noticed that common sense isn't that common to people.
Don't stand on the tracks.
Trains acquire to move faster than you think.
And another thing I found that when the gates are down and the train goes by, wait till they go up because the train can be coming in the other direction and that's how they get you a lot.
They just, and you don't see them coming.
You know, good telltale sign on that is, if you look at the cross buck, that's the sign right at the crossing.
If you look at it, it might have a two underneath it.
It says two rails.
It means there's two.
separate rails so the train can come in two different directions.
And you should wait until that gate is back up, the lights stop flashing before you cross the tracks.
Because like we have said, it takes a long time for a train to stop.
It can't stop quickly.
Especially a freight train.
Yes.
You got all that weight behind it.
Okay.
You didn't snap the telebot.
How about stepping on a pop can?
You must have done that.
Yeah.
Okay.
The same force that you put on that pop can.
is the same force a freight train is going to put on a car when it hits it.
So you think about what you do with that pop can, how you crush it and becomes nothing.
That's the same thing a freight train can do to a car.
So that's why we're trying to get out and really stress being safe around railroad tracks because there is no second chance.
And don't I know it.
I've lost a few friends on the railroad tracks and some of them on bicycles.
I thought they could beat the train.
or that first train that comes by, they don't realize there's a second train on the other side of the tracks and, you know, we get one shot at it.
It's pretty dangerous.
Motorcycles too.
I remember when I was a kid, there were pieces of motorcycle all over the place.
No kids grabbing the pieces.
Motorcycle guy said, I don't have to wait.
And the train came the other direction.
You didn't see it.
And they're really fast to lower down the railroad trains.
They commuted trains.
And then when they hit you, you really, you don't know it.
It's just, it's done.
So that's kind of sad.
Never stand on the tracks, trains are quieter and moving faster than you think.
You see in all the old movies with the people putting their ears to the track, the air of the trains coming.
I hope they don't do that anymore.
Think about it.
Again, back then, the tracks were just, I'll say bolted together.
They're not well, so it's a solid piece of track.
So you don't hear that clicky clack on the wheels because you're not going over a crack where they were bolted together.
It's a solid rail.
So it is a lot quieter.
And the other thing is, is a lot of people now put their headphones on, earbuds in and stuff like that.
You can't hear anything.
You can't hear nothing.
Now that train's coming in, they're just walking down the tracks, you know, minding their own business.
They're never going to hear that train come.
Never walk, run, play or take pictures on the railroad right of way.
If you are on or near the tracks, you're trespassing on private property and breaking the law.
A couple of years ago, the big boy train came by, which is a big locomotive.
I mean, it's huge.
And this was on Airline Road.
You know what that is, Tom?
Airline Road and all sides of the tracks crowded with people taking pictures.
Police were there taking, everybody's taking pictures, big boy locomotives.
It went slow enough.
But that's about the only time I ever saw crowds near a moving train.
Because you got one shot of this big boy train, then it was moving on.
I can't believe the size of those locomotives.
They're huge.
They're big.
I mean, just the weight alone of the...
Engine is enough, but you've got all the weight of the freight behind it pushing that engine as well.
It's not going to go nowhere.
You know, I was saying it's traveling along that car gets in front of it.
There's nothing to be said.
Never run, walk, play or take pictures on the railroad right of way like I was doing.
If you're on or near the track, you're trespassing women, that should never attempt to outrun an approaching train.
You will not win.
Never stand on the tracks, train to quieter, move faster than you think, more safety tips, visit Operation Lifesaver and that would be with an O-L-I dot org, right?
Correct.
Okay.
O-L-I dot org.
Great crossing safety tips.
Now, where I grew up, there were always, the gates came down, lights blinked and the bells rang, but I noticed when I was traveling down south and through the country, we did a road trip.
A lot of these railroad crossings just have a sign that says railroad crossing.
There's no lights, there's no noise, there's nothing.
You just have to listen and hope for the best.
That's
kind of dangerous.
Well, the thing is, is you think about this, there is a warning for you.
We've all seen it.
It's the round yellow sign that has two Rs on it.
And it's an advanced warning sign.
That is an approaching, it's before you approach the crossing.
So let's let you know that, hey,
I need to slow down, I need to prepare to stop because I'm coming to a train crossing.
The other thing is, just like in a school bus, you turn the radio down, you turn or drop the windows or something so you can hear if that train horn is coming.
So that you can hear things, the warning signs that are out there to let you know.
The other thing is, is there's a lot of these crossings that do have lights, gates and stuff on them.
There's also this blue ENS sign.
It's emergency notifications.
I
wanted to talk about that because I just found out about these signs the other day.
I went to, um, we, uh, took a bit of a road trip.
We went up to Coloma, Wisconsin this past weekend and coming back, we went through North freedom and they have the old train there.
You can take a ride on.
It doesn't go far.
It's about an hour, half hour each direction, but it's really interesting.
And they pointed out these blue signs.
You have one here in the studio and, uh, it, I never noticed them, but they're there everywhere you go.
It says a report problem or emergency that give you the number and they give you the actual, that number at the bottom is the actual train crossing number.
Correct.
What it is is the number on here is the 1-800 number and that's for the railroad that owns that crossing.
The number right with load is called a DOT number and it's actually the address of that railroad crossing.
There's not one, I say every railroad crossing in the United States has its own designated number.
So, no matter where you are, you call the 1-800, you give them the DOT number, they know exactly what crossing you're at, and they can take care of it, such as, we were talking earlier, you know, the gates and stuff, or lights, maybe you come there and the gates are down and there aren't a train, you've waited five minutes and a train hasn't came, call the 1-800 number.
Tell the don't go between the gates.
No, a lot of
people do that.
Do not go around the gates.
Go to YouTube.
You'll see what happened
to the cars
and trucks that went around
the gates.
Yes, definitely.
Or the lights aren't working or something like that.
Use this number.
The other thing too is a lot of people don't realize, you know, you're talking about the crossings where there aren't the lights and gates and you come up to it and maybe the trees and stuff have really grown that you can't see down the tracks that you're almost crossing the railroad tracks before you even can see if a train's coming or not.
That's another area.
Call the 1-800 number.
Tell the railroad, hey, I can't see if your train's coming.
Clean up this area so we can see.
Use that number.
The other thing is, is if your car gets stuck on the tracks, okay, you call the 1-800 number and then you call 911.
The reason I'm telling you to call the 1-800 number first is because there's a chance that we can actually stop the train before it comes and hits that car.
So if you let him know, hey, I'm at this crossing, my car's stall on the crossing, the dispatch will get out to the trains right away.
If you call 911, then the 911 dispatcher has to call the dispatcher for the train, and then the train has to be called.
So let's skip the middleman, let's just call the...
1-800 number.
Remember, you
couldn't do this 20, 30 years ago because people didn't have cell phones.
Correct.
There was no way to make that call.
We just swiped that sign from.
He has
one here in the studio.
Which railroad crossing doesn't have the sign today?
No, it does have a sign.
They have extra signs.
This one I got from one of the railroad officers to use as educational.
And that's kind of, it's one of those things that they want you to do is they want to educate as many people as we can about these signs.
because it is very useful.
I picture some railroad
crossing and the person, where do I call these?
They told me there's going to be a sign here.
The sign's out of here.
Where's the sign?
Well, Gary took the sign.
He will have it back in a couple of weeks.
And this morning it's staying safe.
Our monthly get together.
And from operation lifesaver, state coordinator, Gary, Gary Kerner is here.
And also from the Racine County Traffic Safety Commission is Tom Nitter.
And we're talking about railroad safety.
And if you're looking to see how many cars and trucks get run over by trains on the tracks, go on YouTube.
There are plenty of them on there.
And they're frightening to see when a train hits like... I saw one with a car carrier.
You know, the car carriers they have?
And cars flying everywhere.
A train goes through at full speed.
They can't stop on a dime.
And unless you notify them...
Thank you.
Sometimes they can't stop.
They weigh down the tracks, but they can be notified way in advance.
Correct.
And trains, freight trains don't come by every 15 minutes like a subway train.
They can be hours before one comes by.
So you have plenty of time to notify them.
Well, the thing is, is we always say a train can come in at any time in any direction.
Right.
So the thing is, is freight trains don't have schedules.
Okay.
They're only going by when their customer needs them and stuff like that.
So
It could be.
One day you see one coming at three, the next day it could be at four.
You don't know.
And I know when I'm coming to work, and usually they don't happen at five o'clock in the morning.
Every once in a while is a rare one where I gotta park the car and wait for 100 cars to go by.
And it seems like when they see me at the crossing, they go slower.
It just seems like that.
I could be wrong, but they get slower.
The best feeling is when you're at the track and the Amtrak train comes by with six cars on it, zooming in 80 miles an hour.
Yes, it's going to be over in just a second here.
All right, let's talk about some other things on the list here.
You gave me your list, which looks much better than the list I had here.
Always report emergencies at railroad crossings or on the tracks called 911.
And also you brought the blue sign in that said every railroad crossing
every railroad crossing 800 number.
And this one's for the Canadian national trains.
Correct.
And you give them the DOT number.
And that is the number of the railroad crossing.
And they'll know immediately which crossing it is.
That is correct.
Yeah.
Let's see.
Always slow down.
Stop your vehicle prior to the tracks when lights begin to flash.
Now, you think that would be common knowledge, but it's not.
People say, oh, the gates aren't on.
I can beat that.
I can beat the beat the gates.
Why are you going to take a chance on beating the gates?
What if your car gets stuck and it can't happen?
Cars get you accelerate.
Oh, just flooded the engine.
Then what do you do?
I mean, try pushing it off the track.
You think it's a hard pushing your car on a flat road.
Try pushing it over the tracks.
So that's kind of stupid.
Don't do that.
Never drive or walk around lowered gate crossings.
We talked about this.
I lost a lot of friends.
They were on bikes and they decided one train went by.
I can go now.
another train was coming in the other direction.
And yeah, you hear the whistle blowing, but you think it's the train that just went by.
And generally they don't toot the whistle after they go through the crossing.
No, they don't.
It's usually before.
Never attempt to outrun an approaching train.
You see this, I see it in movies a lot.
I don't see it in person where they're driving alongside the train.
They try to get over the tracks before the train comes.
And the movies, they always make it.
Well, that's movies.
Yeah, I know.
Do you ever see the movie, the greatest
I said the greatest show on earth, the old Cecil Bethel beat a mill movie and there's a scene where the train gets hit.
It was a circus train and it hits the car on the tracks.
Whoa.
They did it on purpose.
They wanted to stop the train and the guys, the immediate driving on the tracks, the car goes flying through the air.
Never stop your vehicle on a great crossing, waiting for traffic to move.
Man.
This stuff is all common knowledge.
It is, but a lot of times we have a crossing up in Appleton that it tells you there's only 35 feet between the stop line and the railroad crossing, but people try to sneak their car in there and get it in there.
And the train overhangs the rail by three feet on each side.
So if you're just past the rail, you got to be pasted by more than three feet.
Otherwise, the train is still going to clip you.
And those things,
those trains can't stop on a dam.
It's not like a car they put on the brakes.
They're slow.
Yes.
Especially the freight trains.
You've got a locomotive with, what, a hundred cars behind you pushing.
Yeah.
Now, the freight, they have brakes on there on those freight trains, but you have to have to physically do the brakes on the cars,
the electric cars.
There's air brakes all the way through the train.
Oh, is there now?
Yeah.
But the thing is, is you still have got all that weight, all that tonnage pushing.
I mean, as soon as that engineer.
puts the train into what they call emergency braking, emergency stopping, it's still going to take that train more than a mile to stop.
It's just physics, you know, you got so much weight and it takes so much for it to stop.
Here's
another
problem.
There's a red light after the tracks and you cross the tracks and the red lights are red and now the gates are coming down and you're stuck on the tracks because you didn't wait before that.
Don't wait on the tracks for the red light to change.
You know, you
see that great crossings as a red light for traffic, just a few feet after the, just don't, why would you want to wait on the tracks?
The other thing is, is the gates are what they call breakaway gates.
So something like that would happen where you're stopped and the gates come down and you feel you're trapped.
Just go forward, go through the gates, break the gates, get out of the way we'd rather have you safe.
Then not, you know, so it's not something that you want to do, but definitely don't get hit by that train.
And again, common knowledge, but common sense is not common.
Never begin to drive across the tracks unless you think you can get across the tracks altogether.
And that's like that red light.
Yes.
You'll see cars stop there and you'll say, oh, I can squeeze in there.
If you think you can squeeze in, you can squeeze in.
If there's a debate on it.
Always call the emergency notification system that.
Is that that number on that?
That's the blue
sign.
That's the
blue sign.
24 hours a day to report problems or obstructions at the crossing.
Look for the number of the blue sign near the crossing or on the cross buck.
You know, and I'm telling you before this past weekend when we went to North Freedom on that short train up there, it's just a train for tourists to go back and forth.
I never noticed that blue sign before and he was pointing it out on the tracks.
How come I never noticed it?
Now I'm going to look for it every time I cross the tracks.
And who knew this thing was on there again?
It's got the railroad, whatever railroad uses.
This one's the Canadian National Railroad.
It's got the 800 number on it.
And then it's got a DOT number, which is the number of the crossing.
So get it right.
Yes.
And they can actually call the train and have the train stop.
Yes.
It was
nearby.
So that's the best bet to do.
Before we had cell phones, it didn't work.
Yeah.
There was no way to do it.
No way to stop those trains.
You know, they had to call somebody to call the train.
and even have a cell phone with you, you couldn't do it.
Just one real quick thing here.
The month of September, we kind of use as rail safety month.
September 21st is the start of C-Tracks Think Trained Week.
It's for the whole North America.
Actually, Operation Lifesaver here in the United States, Canada, and Mexico celebrate or, I say, promote rail safety during that week.
September 21st through the 27th,
And I will be going across the state of Wisconsin, doing a lot of education, talking to a lot of different groups of people and stuff, trying to get this safety message out there to everybody.
Always remember a train can take a mile or more to stop, especially those freight trains.
Correct.
And I've seen the long on the railroad trains.
They stop pretty quick.
There's only like, you know, four cars, even the Amtrak trains always have like just a couple of cars on it.
But those freight trains, who remember trains overhang the tracks at least say 15 feet away.
You know, I think about all the stupid things I did as a kid because you don't know any better
Yeah,
I mean you're stupid you think
I'm not
gonna get hurt But one name always stands at the key Fernandez.
He was on a bicycle He was like the bully of the street always picking on kids with a little older bigger than us a big bully running his train stopped at the train tracks they said and When one train came by took his bike across and boom didn't know what hit him and that they I didn't see it
But the people that went and said the bicycle just flew through the air and just landed on the tracks up ahead and their train ran over the bike again.
And he was long gone.
It was that fast.
Dickie Fernandez.
Whoa, you never forget those things.
All right.
Learn more about railroad safety at wisswisconsindot.gov slash pages slash safety slash education.
There's a whole bunch of slashes on there.
The best thing to do is go to staying safe.
and put on there, well, go to Racine County, Staying Safe.
And you'll see all the list of programs we've done over the past several months.
Train Safety will be the last one on there.
Operation, what we call it again, Operation Staying Safe.
What was it?
Operation?
Operation Lifesaver.
Operation Lifesaver.
And what you do is you go on that list and you'll see all the places you can text and write.
And again, that's go to Staying Safe and Operation Lifesaver.
If I don't have it in front of me, I can't remember.
The last poster, the last poster.
Yeah, the last poster on the list there.
You'll see it on there.
So we're seeing County staying safe, Google that, and you'll get all this information.
Thank you guys for coming in.
Thank you.
Anything we missed by staying safe this morning?
No, just remember, trains can stop just not quick.
And, you know, a car has
never won in the contest.
Never.
Never on record where cars, the train hit the car and the train was sorry.
I mean, it always went.
The trains aren't going away.
They've been around for what else, since the 1800s and they're still going strong.
I
think they might have been the first traffic sign was actually the crossbook.
Was
it really?
The railroad crossing.
And don't forget, if you're going to rural areas, they don't have the lights and the gates coming down.
This is just a sign that says, you know,
Open your eyes and ears and listen for the train coming by.
And I've been through some of those crossings doing road trips across America.
Sure.
And keep in mind as a motorist, you know, there are some vehicles that are required to stop.
Certainly school
buses.
School buses always stop.
Yeah.
Whether the gates are down or not.
Municipal buses and gasoline tankers, anything with fuel on it.
Those are required to stop at a red crossing.
So.
Just be aware of that as a motorist, you know, the vehicle in front of you may be required to stop and you don't want to rear end them.
Case for those crummy railroad track crossings, we call the railroad commissioner in Madison, right?
Correct.
And we say, you said to call?
Yeah, I don't care.
Gary said, I better call you to get this taken care of right away.
And he's not a happy man.
I was with him.
And he
said, call collect.
I
think they got a 1-800 number.
But he still said, call, collect.
Gary, thank you much for coming in.
You're welcome.
All right.
Gary Kerner is here.
He is the state coordinator for Operation Lifesaver.
I asked you what it was.
It's written right in front of my face here.
That's why DJs dime a dozen.
Which I think is written right in front of my face.
Add from the Racine County Traffic Safety Commission.
Tom Nitter is here as well.
Thank you, Tom, for setting this
up.
I appreciate it.
Thanks for coming down from
Appleton for this.
Not a problem.
It's a nice day anyway.
Yes, it was a beautiful drive.
I noticed we didn't have to come down during a snowstorm.
Yeah, I noticed that.
Yeah, thank you very much.
Any wife is here?
Yes.
She's sitting at the, what was her first name?
Penny.
Penny is here too.
That's another thing.
Don't put pennies on the tracks to squish them.
There you go.
All the kids that I never did it.
But I remember you look at the penny.
It's like 10 times the size of our frame ran over it because that
penny came and got flying.
And like I said, they've changed the design of the wheels and stuff.
So yeah, now it's not as much.
Thank you guys for coming in.
Yeah.
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