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Man, just insult her
I don't if you guys like to be called ghost Busters
I don't know if that's an insult or not
But Ron Helmick is here
Along with Cory Duncusen
And your paranormal investigators
Not really ghost busters
Is that kind of an insult or, you know mind it?
I don't mind it
That's good. I'm okay with it
It's a great set of movies, I mean
Now somebody in town here has got that
Echo the ectomobile
That they used in ghost busters
I saw that one
I saw the north side
I saw it parked it up
It was a mechanic shop or something
Well, and I was in the 4th of July parade this year
They were in front of us
Oh, that's actually from Madison
Yeah, and then I was at
We were at
The college there on Main Street
They were putting together the parade
And we got there for a meeting
And it was in the parking lot
And it looked really, really good
My dad used to work in Manhattan
And when there's a traffic jam
And I guess at the end, you know
This traffic jam's all the time
But I guess at the front
And they were filming ghost busters
They had the street blocked off with the cars
And you know, they built up the fake street
And everything
Anyway, so yeah, that's my
Ghost Busters connection
Okay, so you guys are paranormal investigators
So talk about that. What is that?
Well, you know, the term
The word paranormal is very large
Because it's not just talked about ghosts
It talks about UFOs
It talks about Bigfoot
Cryptos
Cryptos
Cryptos
Cryptos
Cryptod
Cryptod, sorry
Bigfoot, a break
Skin walkers
I mean, everything
Oh, mythical creatures
This is a term nobody knows
To have you guys skin walkers
What are skin walkers?
I don't like the sound of it
Well, skin walkers are thought to be old
Native American shamans
That did evil magic, dark magic
And in order to get their magic
They did nefarious things
Like, I think one of things
To eat human flesh
Or something
Something along those lines
There's all different stories
Well, there's also two
You have the Beast of Bray Road
Which I had a chance to interview
He claims he's the great, great grandson of the Beast of Bray Road
And what's the beast of where?
Beast of Bray Road
Out in...
Where is that it?
Alcorn
Alcorn
It's like world known
This road
And you should drive past
And you're supposed to be able to see this
The Beast of Bray Road
And what I was told
It was basically
This skin walker was used to protect the land
That a deal was made with the owner
And the American Indians
I don't like the sound of it
Skin walker
Skin walker
What did you say?
You shouldn't like the sound of it
And you guys look bigfoot too, huh?
Yeah, bigfoot
That's all in the same
It's all...
All paranormal
Yeah
Because it's well, it's out of the normal
Basically, paranormal is just out of the normal
Oh, yeah
That's good
Out of the normal
It's really ghosts
No
They're just lumped in
Yeah
Okay, so you call that a lot to investigate
Somebody's got some spooky stuff going on
In the neighborhood, their house
And you're called in
What do you do?
We usually get a message on our Facebook page
Or our website
And they'll say, hey, Ron
Or, hey, our PI, we got a problem with the house here
We're hearing some weird noises
We're having this going on, that going on
Could you...
Would you be willing to check it out?
So, first thing we do is we contact the person back
And get more details of what's going on
We usually set up two investigations
One as a walkthrough, if possible
Sometimes it doesn't happen that way
And then the second one is to do the actual investigation
The walkthrough basically is to walk in with a EMF detector
Which is electronic
Electric
What is it?
Magnetic field
Magnetic field
Is that the thing you have on the last time with the air?
Yeah, I'm sorry
It's early
Yeah, it is
So when you walk through that, you know,
High EMF can cause people to see things
Not feel well, things like that
So we want to check the outlets and things like that
And see if there's any like real harsh readings of that
So there is a logical explanation to why sometimes
Mm-hmm
Yeah, if the electricity in the house can cause it
It causes you to see things too
I mean, that necessarily be a spirit issue, ghost issue
It can also make you see things, hear things
It can really mess with you pretty bad
Make you feel paranoid
Yeah, I feel like there's someone staring at you
Just because your paranoid doesn't mean they're not staring at you
Right, that's true
You may be able to pick up on those types of things
So you're called up to investigate some paranormal activity in a house
Mm-hmm
I'm glad you explained the word to me out of a normal
Doesn't mean ghosts per se
It just means something's out of the normal
Yeah
Do you have to give them some bad news every once in a while?
That makes them jump?
Uh, yes
And when we do the first walk through, we always tell them
Keep us posted on how it goes from now until we investigate
So we can get an idea of what's going on more in the home
And they're kind of like, what?
And seriously, if there's anything else that goes on between now
Until we do the actual investigation, we need to know these things
So if it amps up or if it stays the same
Or what else is going on in the home
And that gives us a couple of days worth to figure out what it could be
We've actually put cameras in houses before
Just to monitor them throughout the few days before we actually go in there too
I put a camera in my backyard last night
We have this camera that's a motion detected after a camera
We put it up there
And I put a play the popcorn there
And I want to see who eats it
And so I got up this morning at 4.30
When outside the plate was totally clean
Not one kernel of popcorn was there
But I'm going to go home and look at the video
And we'll see who's eating that popcorn
But it's interesting to what goes on
And you don't know what goes on
So you talk about paranormal activity
I'll bet you in my backyard
There were critters roaming the backyard all night long
But when I wake up in the morning, they're gone
Well, that's another thing too
You know, you talk about critters
I mean, there's been situations we've been in the homes
And they've heard knocky noises and things like that
And found out there was squirrels in the walls
Or things like that
I had them on my ceiling once
When I lived in Brown deer
We can hear that it's how somebody's walking around up there
So we called the guy who checks up on animals and the houses and so forth
It turns out there were squirrels living up there
Not squirrels
Records
Your raccoons were living up there
And you could see them looking out of the vent on the roof of my house
And when you shine the light, they would go down
You see their ears
Take away the light, their eyes went back up again
And he got them out
And I said, you're not going to hurt them, are you?
And he goes, no, we just let them all go in the woods
I don't want these animals hurt
I'll let them live up there if you're going to hurt them
I don't care, but he just got them out
And let them go in the woods and let them haunt somebody else's house
But it was scary because you hear noise up there
They're very loud
Yeah, they're scratching
And he said if the baby falls down the wall, they'll tear you wall apart
To get to that baby
They'll do that
So it is kind of spooky
But not every noise means there's ghosts in the house
Exactly
It could be something logical
Okay, we're talking to paranormal investigators Ron Helmick and Cory Dunkerson
And right before the break, we had a kind of way real quick
You said you have seen ghosts
And is that the right term ghosts or what do you want to call them?
I'm not even sure
I mean, some are ghosts, some are shadow people
I mean, there is...
Now what a shadow people
It is thought...
Nobody really knows
It is thought that they...
It's a completely blacked out figure
That you can tell is a humanoid figure
But you can't see any...
You can't see any facial and identity marks
It's just a shadow
And it's blacker than any shadow you've ever seen
You can see these things in the dark
They're so dark
They're out here, we're seeing
They've been... there's been accounts of people seeing them and they've seen
There's one they called the hat man
And people have...
Especially over in...
What's the cemetery?
Mount Cemetery in the cemetery across the street from it
The neighborhood around there
There's been lots of reports of people seeing...
Ali's and stuff
Yep, through the Ali's a completely blacked out shadow of a man walking through there
And this is like numerous people
Why doesn't anybody go and try to grab it, attack it?
I know it's a shadow, you can't grab a shadow
But there's no...
Did they take videos of it?
Well, we've actually reached out on Facebook
And there's numerous accounts of people seeing this entity
But does anybody have any video of it?
And even today, with AI, you would question the video
Today is terrible, yeah
You don't know what's real and what you're looking at
You know, cut to 40 years ago
My wife and I took our daughter, she was five years up to the Dels
And we stayed at the place called In of the Dels
It changed names several times, so it's next to a cemetery
And I said to my daughter, let's get up in the middle of the night
And look at the cemetery, see if anybody's walking around in there
And the girl was doing anything
Nobody was
But it was kind of eerie to look and see
Is anybody moving in that cemetery?
I mean, do they come out of the grave at night?
Who's walking around?
And it was perfect because we could stay right there in the bed
Look out the window, so we see something
Throw the covers over part
Quickly
But even talking about it, I got goose pimples talking about it
Because I don't know if this stuff is true or not
I don't know
Well, you know, and I was real quick about the show
A people thing is that I believe that
And I've heard others think this also
That shadow people are spirits that haven't fully manifested themselves
Either in a spirit form or they've been with a human
In a previous life
But as far as the
As far as the cemetery stuff
I mean, you can definitely pick up on some things
Really?
Do you ever go around with your
Whatever, electro meter, whatever, go in a cemetery
And get some results on there?
Yeah, we've done. We've had voice recordings
Mm-hmm
Yeah, things like that
I live next door to a cemetery
I'm actually living Kansasville
And I have an old, very old cemetery right next door to me
We share a fence
And oh yeah, and I work second shift
So coming home at night, my eyes are glued
Because sometimes I don't feel anything
Other times I'm running to my door
You can feel stuff, huh?
Oh, just...
What do you feel?
Just goose bumps
Out of the blue, just goose bumps or like a heavy...
Like, feels like someone's watching me
Are you more attuned to this than me?
I don't know, I think the longer that you in this field
Not that I'm more attuned
I'm just more aware of what my body's going through
As I experience different things
Well, my wife and I visit cemeteries all across the country
And our road trips
And we have some wild stories about cemeteries
But never had that experience of feeling anything
But we've been through...
We've seen serial killers there
Where they're buried
We've seen the third man of Alcatraz
Where he's buried Al Capone
And there's some wild stories about my caramel cemetery
But never...
Never suddenly ghost
Yeah, during the day I've been to many cemeteries too
I like to take pictures
And they're...
Yeah, very benign
You know, just peaceful, quiet
But a lot of times, once you go in after dark
It's a lot of places take on a different feel
You know, I know you're not a spiritualist or anything like that
I know it's not your job to do that
But people do say answers
They try to reach the dead
And I know someone who lost their son
Who tried to do that too
I mean, you get desperate after a while
You lose a child you want to
You want to reach them?
That's enough work
I know this isn't your field
You're more of a scientist
You do the science part of it
No, no, kind of
Kind of
Kind of does kind of don't
Actually, I've just gone through kind of like a religious...
I'm coming into religion
Which I've never been a religious person
Before
And the more research I do on it
It might not even be...
Someone may respond
But it's someone who's manipulating you
It might be more of a demonic
Well, that's what I was going to tell you
Because at my church, I'm warning in Christian
They say when you see these things, they're demons
Yeah, I'm sorry to believe that
They're demonic
Yeah
So, I don't know
I just don't know
I've never seen a ghost that I know of
I mean, I've never seen a spirit
I've never been contacted
So I don't know, but you guys deal with this stuff
Well, I mean, not all spirits are demonic
But we also know what to look for
While working with other investigators
And networking with other investigators
Did he get calls from people all the time saying,
You have to get over here
I got something moving in my house, plates are moving
Yeah
Did you ever see things objects move?
Is that common?
I mean, that...
I watch the movie, Polteries
See, all I know is what's in the movies
I don't know anything else but the movies
I personally haven't seen anything move
We've heard things
Yeah
But I've never actually seen anything, can't
Well, there's one
And it's a bit of a famous audio clip
And I heard it once from...
Remember, Art Bell is the overnight radio
And he used to do his Halloween show
And it's a clip of a little boy
And you can hear his voice
It's EVP
Yeah, you can hear the boy
And you can hear it
And this is before AI and all that stuff
Just years ago
But you can actually...
Oh, you got the clip?
No, I have a clip to play
But you can actually hear the little boy's voice
And it is odd because I don't know what the voice is
It's obviously a child's voice
And the paranormal investigator is asking questions
It's a little boy
And he's answering
It's almost like this
It's creepy
Yeah
What are you going to play?
Electronic voice phenomena are very...
That stands for...
You know, it's what EVP stands for
It's very interesting
Because they're speaking in such low frequencies
That the human ear can't hear
Or you can only hear them during playback
Let me just tell you a story real quick
So is that my home some years ago?
How long is the clip, by the way?
11 seconds
Okay, go
So, basically what happened was
I bought a new voice recorder
I want to see if it worked
You can hear the background noise in my TV
Which normally I would have no background noise
Because that's considered sound contamination
I just want to see if it worked
And that's it
So my house was haunted
We're still giving you a setup
Okay, here we go
Yes, I heard that
Yes, as well
And even above a mess like right in the recorder
You know, it's about the TV
Oh, yeah, it was very legit
Where was it?
It was at my house
Oh!
How do you sleep at night?
I was calling everybody
Like, you're not gonna believe what happened
In a house of like mine being 110 years old
Like 111 years old
I haven't experienced anything
I mean, if I was 1890
What's that?
Mine was 1890
Yeah, the next door house is from the 1880s
Next door to me
Yeah
And I haven't heard people screaming in the night
I have possums in my backyard
In the middle of the night I can tell you that
Because someone's eating that popcorn
Hold on guys, we're gonna have a few more minutes
I got some more questions for you
We're talking to Ron Hellmeck
And Cory Duncanson, who are paranormal investigators
Perfect for Halloween
Perfect for a day like this
It's kind of creepy outside
It's got that cold thing with the wind blowing in the leaves
And people running the stop sign out here
It's got that fall feel to it
For a couple more minutes we got Ron Hellmeck and Cory Duncanson in here
Paranormal investigators
And I learned something new
I learned that paranormal
There's a mean ghost
It means out of the normal
And Bigfoot's part of that, huh?
Paranormal
And absolutely
Now what's that?
With all the people that spotted Bigfoot
You see the picture of him running with the arms
You know, they always catch him in the same tree
He looks like some monkey that got out of the circus
Nobody's ever been able to get a close-up shot
At least these far away distance shots
And there are people that spend their lives looking for Bigfoot
And he spotted all over America
The only place he hasn't been spotted in is North Beach and Racine
They've been spotted everywhere else
So, you know, it's like the Loch Ness monster
It never gets a good look
I mean, for all these people that say, yeah, we saw him
And with the type of cameras and photography we have today
You're telling me we can't get a good look
No, they first have to wipe mayonnaise across the screen
No way
Breathe out a little bit, throw some dust on the screen
And look at it
With all this, we never get a good look
At a ghost, a spirit, whatever, Bigfoot
Now, you guys say you can feel the spirit
Don't touch it with your meter there, whatever
You know they're there
But you can't see them
They have manifested so you can see them
There's a word I learned manifest
Manifested so you can see them
But you keep looking, huh?
Well, I did
Encounter one thing
You get that voice on there who spooked me
What's that?
Yes, voice who played Boris, yeah
Yeah, that's something else
You know, we investigate shakers to Garbarn Milwaukee
Over on 2nd Street all the time
And myself and another investigator
We're walking from the parking lot
To the front of the building
You know, on the 2nd floor we actually saw a woman
In like a bell dress
Twirling in the window
You know, but we didn't see her face or anything
We just saw the dress twirling in there
You really didn't see it though
Oh yeah
Did you get a good picture of it?
We're trying to get our phones out quick enough
Now, I would have my phone ready
With what my finger on the bottom
Yeah, but outside
We didn't expect to see that from the outside
Now use phone photography
You don't have a great camera
I guess good 35 millimeter camera to grab this stuff
I mean, that's what I think I'd be right
I'd be weird around my neck when my finger on the button
Well, I never know
Well, like now we've been starting to wear body cams
Yeah, we'll just hit you know record on the body cam
And then walk around that way with those on
Because then we don't have to worry about
Oh, did I hit record
So that's one thing we've some of us have added to the to the arsenal
Yeah, if you wear it like yeah body cam is always on
And you just have to fit
Now, you know, I can't keep your hand in front of it
Right
Yeah
What do I do?
Wait, do you get a calls to go on the hunts for these spirits?
Yeah, we've had been on many hunts
I mean a lot of
Well, the most spookiest things that I have experienced
And one of our investigations
It was a woman's
That lived out in Caledonia
She was experienced a lot of things moving, being thrown
And so we did an investigation
And I was heading towards the bathroom
Like I wasn't investing, I was just going to the bathroom
And it was a long dark hallway to her bathroom
And as soon as I turned to that hallway
And growled right in my ear
And I turned to run
And I'm like, hit me with the holy water
And I never did get to go to the bathroom
Just went right there
Yeah
Well, you stand
See, I've never had that happen to me
The only thing I had was that picture I showed you for my bedroom
Which, that's a woman in that shadow
My wife said, well, that was when my arms were folded
And the book was opened up
No, that's not an arm folded and the book opened up
And I can't explain it
And I was too panic-stricken
I grabbed my phone and took a picture
I should have analyzed the situation
But I didn't do it
I was so panic-stricken when I saw
Oh, look
And you're seeing it right set up
It was upside down when we saw it
Now, when I took the picture
I flipped it
So you can see what it looked like
But originally, it didn't look like anything
It was upside down
Then I turned my head
And I said, whoa
I don't know what that is
Was that a woman who lived there before
I don't know what it was
It's one of your shadow people
Right, that's the toughest thing about this field
It's everyone's experience
I mean, we're trying to investigate someone's experience
You know, and there's a lot of debunking to do
There's a lot of, you know, you just a lot of steps
To make sure that it is actually legit
And once you cancel out everything
Then you can say it's paranormal
Yeah
You know what spoke me
You know the term saved by the bell
Mm-hmm
You've heard it right
You know what it is from
Saved by the bell happened in the 1800s
When they were afraid if they buried somebody alive
They would bury them
Put a string on inside the coffin with a bell up on top
And if they were alive, they'd ring the bell
And you'd be saved by the bell
That I would think I would freak out
If I'm walking towards cemetery
And a bell started ringing from the ground
Right
But apparently it was not an uncommon thing
We're back in the 1800s
You'd bury somebody and they weren't dead
And you know, especially in, you know, unsophisticated cities
They say, you know, big cities they couldn't be a tell
And they just tie a string to his finger
And you'd ring the bell, so it was alive
That's why we bomb people now
Yeah, just make sure there's no bell ring going on
You know, I was wanted to bring up something too
It has something kind of something to do with the shareholders
And in regards to spirits and what not
Is Wendy Spencer from Masonic
Yeah
He's from Masonic
Her and I did a podcast show with Rossini County Eye this past Friday
And we were talking about our experiences there
And that place is just amazing, beautiful place
And that was my first experience I ever had with the spirit
I was got done DJing a wedding
And loaded up my car, my Jeep, I run on my van
And then I went to look at my mirrors, left to right
And I saw this tall figure
Like in a black trench coat with a top hat
Walked past from one mirror to the other mirror
And then disappeared
I got on my car because there's like 20 degrees
I'm like, you know, what the heck is wrong with this guy, you know
And if you know anything from that parking lot
To the closest to that elevator door
That walk from that elevator door
To what used to be a hope or hope church
Is pretty, is a long distance for somebody to run on a trench coat
So I talked to Wendy Spencer
A few months later, because I had another wedding to do
And he was like, I was like, hey, what about this?
So I told her the story, oh, it's probably Fredrick
He hangs out on the staircase over here
Oh, yeah, Fredrick
Yeah, you know
And she brought out like photos and stuff
And I was able to pick him out
The kind of bit of a description
And I was like, he hangs out outside, too
I was just inside that these spirits are hanging out
Well, I had Wendy Spencer in here was
But we're talking about fourth fest
Yeah
Now I've had Rory Graves in here twice
Rory's often haunted with scene
Yeah
And now I know
Now if Wendy Spencer ever comes in to talk about fourth fest
Forget about fourth fest
Let's talk about this ghost thing going on here
Oh
But your name comes up a lot when you talk about haunted recene
So and Rory Graves was in there like a week ago
And we were talking about
She was in it last year too
And I love hearing these stories
Because it's all in the area, I live on Main Street
So it's not far from all these stories
They're in my neighborhood
Which is kind of nice
If somebody wants to get a hold of you, how do they do that?
Going to our Facebook page is like the most active page
It's a Racine Paranormal Investigators
Or website Racine Paranormal Investigators.
Or to wait too fast, so let me get right this down, say it again
Racine Paranormal Investigators on Facebook
Okay
Or website Racine Paranormal Investigators.com
Or dot com, okay
Yeah
Either or
Because people are going to call up and they're going to say
I got something roaming around my house
And he's carrying the head in the hand
And by the way, these hollowing costumes now
Where the guys walking down the block
It looks like he's carrying his head in this hand
And there's a YouTube video who shows how he did it
You know, how he built the costume
Which you see it built, it's real simple
But the effect is amazing
Where they show a headless person walking over the head in the box
Right
And it's got to be annoying to bend over and walk like that
But still, the effect is amazing
So I asked you during the break, what people listen to commercials
There's no more conventions like Ghost Con or Spirit Con
Or
I'll go ahead
I'll say just not this year, we'll probably be working on something for next year
Yeah, we had Bill City Paracon last year
I went really well
Paracon
That's good
Paracon went really well
And it's something we were going to move it to another date
Because there's so many of those going on in the fall
And also to it's a lot more easier to get presenters and whatnot
When it's a little more quiet
That's something
The animal conference is going on and it's loaded for the fall
Finally, we did a story of this woman
She was an elderly woman passed away
And she had her granddaughter carry out her one last wish
And all the mourners who came to her funeral got a mini Ouija board
With a note attached
Let's talk
You got it with me if that's good
What a great laugh to have
But you don't know how to get it, but let's talk
That's something else
Well, you guys are great, I love coming out
I get the willies
Because I don't know if this stuff is true or not
You know, I don't think it is, but I'm not sure
And you talk to people in the church, they'll say, well, yeah
That's true, it's just demonic
So you say it is true this stuff
Yeah, but there are demons
Oh, I don't know who to believe, I don't know what to believe
Demons appeared to us to be real
I mean, I'll be very transparent here
I mean, we work with a reverend out of Madison
That deals with exorcisms and things like that
We assist in those also
Well, you guys are great, I got the creeps now
And I'm scratching and I'm going to hide
I've got everything
I'm going to sat in three
I'm going to hold it in the lock of the Holy Trinity
So please make sure it's not three
You guys are great, I love having you guys there
Yeah, have you had a good time?
Thank you
Now, is this your big time of year for people thing I've seen ghosts?
Oh, yeah, we've been podcasts, big time, like four podcasts
Would you podcast?
You have a podcast?
Well, Wisconsin Paranormal Radio
Is something that I developed a while back
And, you know, we've been doing things off and on on that
So
Okay
You've got to listen to all this stuff
But the veil is thinner this time of year
Oh, yeah
Yeah
You know, they can't be going around all that sugar eye
You know, that's the point
Everybody getting sugar eyes
You guys, thanks a lot, Ron Helmick
And Cory Dunkerson
Thank you guys for flipping in
I know it was early in the morning and you know
People say
Can we do this morning interview at noon?
No, we can do it at 7 a.m.
All right, I'm taking a nap at noon
So thank you guys for coming out
I appreciate it
We sure thank you guys
We know we've got to go out with, right?
Ray Parker Jr
Is that one of you?
Do you watch that movie a lot when it's on?
Or is that?
Yeah, if it's on TV, yeah
Or I'll throw it on
You know, watch it
I like all of you
And the newest ones are pretty good
I think my favorite ghost movie is the haunting 1963
Oh
That just terrifies me
Even though you don't see any ghosts
I mean, it is terrifying to watch
Also, the actresses
Oh, yeah
That's it, that movie
I jump
All right
I ain't saving those days
