every two months. I have this
gentleman on. It's one of the
best hours you can hear in
radio. Mike Bino from our
Wisconsin magazine. Mike
Thanks for joining us again. I
spoke to you last week setting
this up. You didn't sound too
good. Uh-oh. We got a sick
boy here, but it turns out
you're all better now, right?
Well, when you live as far
north as I do. Man of
Jewish waters. You get a
couple of hard frost pretty
early. So we had two of those
this week, and I think that
wiped out the cooties. I'm
back up and taking nourishment.
I haven't heard cooties
since I was in grammar
school. All the girls have
the cooties, don't you?
That's all in New York where
you grew up. Oh, stay away
from Diane. She's got the
cooties. Anyway, let's talk
about this issue. Just came
out the other day, the
latest issue of our Wisconsin
magazine, the fall issue. And
before we even get started,
the gatefold section of that
when you fold out the entire
middle of the magazine, what
a photograph of fall foliage
in Wisconsin. Let's talk
about that. Where is that
picture taken? Okay. That
picture was taken. It's
door county, I believe. Yeah.
Um, that photo, what you're
what we're looking at here is
is three page fold out in the
magazine, center spread of the
magazine. And what we're
looking at is the landscape
around Egg Harbor, a door
county, in the interior.
Not you can see the lake
off in the distance, but it's
it's a fall farmstead, a fall
view of a farmstead, from a
high up drone perspective
looking down. You've got the
tidy red barn in the buildings
in the middle. And then you
have the the field that you
can see there. They're kind
of cut in contours. And they're
they're cutting. It's cut.
The crops are cut and put
away for the fall for the
upcoming winter. There's a
lot of fall foliage trees.
And this photo was taken, as
I mentioned, from a drone view,
Plumbottom Road, State Highway
42 in Egg Harbor. The man
who took the photo was one of
our contributor professional
photo contributors. By the name
of Daniel Kramer, anybody
who's a Green Bay Packer fan
would recognize that name
because Daniel Kramer is a son
of Jerry Kramer, who made the
famous block in the ice bowl.
So it's one more example of the
way we celebrate the state of
Wisconsin. That's through the
most colorful photography we
can find on the thickest and
slickest and nicest paper we
can find. And it seems to work
for the past 14 years. You
know, you look at that picture
and say it's beautiful. I
looked at it and said, who's
going to rake all those
leaves? That's what I saw.
That's a lot of trees there,
brother. Okay. We had a little
thing we spoke last week. You
said, for me to pick out my
favorite story. And then I'll
figure out what yours is. It's
the same story. It is. It's
the toilet seat lady. And
it doesn't sound as bad as that.
But when we talk about that
story, really, it's a really
good story. The toilet seat
lady. So here's what's going
on with that green based a
toilet paper capital of the
world. But that's about 25 miles
away. We're not talking about
that. One of the features in
our Wisconsin is we ask the
readers themselves to chip in
stories of their other past
experiences in and around the
state. We ask people to share
what their first job was.
Their first real job where they
got a paycheck. And we see
some similarities in some of
these. When you're high school
or you kind of work in the same
sorts of jobs and
stores and super market or a
gas station or something. This
lady went to work. She had
just graduated from Luxembourg
Casco High School and she had
earned some money to put her
self into college. She needed
tuition money. She's a farm
girl from there and around
Elgoma. And she went and
applied at plumbers woodwork
company, known locally as the
Elgoma toilet seat factory. This
was a large industrial factory
very hot and they turned out
toilet seats along with the
covers affixed to them in the
thousands inside this hot
sweltering plant. And she came
home. She got a job there and
came home and announced to her
farmer father at the breakfast
table. I got a job. She has
22nd interview. They said you're
hired. Where? The toilet seat
factory and her dad, you shook his
head and you're not very tough.
I've heard some bad things about
working in there. You weren't going
to make it a week. And she went
in and sure enough that it had
burning hot toilet seats. She had
to take them out of the oven as
they're cooking an amulet to them
in their wood. And that burned
and blistered her hands and
clumsy gloves, but she was
plucky and kept up. This girl just
had a high school. By the way,
it could have been worse. She
could have been a toilet seat
tester. Yeah, well, that comes
on your break. But anyway, so
she's got these toilet seats
and she was promoted to the
line where you take a mechanical
screwdriver and affix the seat
to the lid. They're going on
down the line and it's kind of
like Lucy and Ethel in the
in the chocolate factory where
these unending conveyor belt
full of product is coming at her.
She's screwing these things on
and there's many young ladies
doing it down the line. And
it's definitely allowed all that
kind of thing in industry. And
here comes the supervisor in
1974 in his green leisure suit
with a lot of cologne and he's
walking down the line whispering
something into the ear one by
one of each woman on the line. And
one woman breaks down and actually
starts crying. Then he repeats
this as he's going down and she's
watching her co-workers go into
getting all shook up, going into
hysterics and she's wondering is
this a nuclear attack? What's
happening? And he rounds the
corner and one by one he's talking
to these women just briefly
whispering in their ear. They're
upset. She's praying there's not
some huge catastrophe and he comes
up and whispers in her here, in
her ear. And the date of this
time was August 16th, 1977. Do
you know what happened on that date?
August 16th, 1977? Yes.
No. Why were these women all shook
up? August 16th. Oh, it was
Oh, Elvis died. Yeah. Yes. Yes.
That was a bad news. He was
sharing with all these high school
girls down the line and but you
know, they survived it and the
lady Sherry Hayden Miller, who
now lives in Hamilton, the toilet
seat lady, she worked there four
years straight earned her money, her
tuition money to go to UW, UW
walk, I believe, and she proved her
dad wrong. Now on a somewhat
related note, when I got into
radio right out of high school, I
begged for a job at the radio
station. The only job available was
cleaning toilets. And I said, I'll
take it. And that's how I get it.
It's a radio. And when I was 18
years old, there was a station
janitor, a three story building
we owned. And that clean
sinks toilets, the floors, everybody
there was a rabbit smoker so I had
to clean all the ashes off their
desks every day. So yeah, somewhat
related. Clean toilet with that
starting at the bottom. Actually was
on the second floor. No, it's
but, you know, everybody's got to
start somewhere. Our guest is Mike
Bino. Excuse me, Mike. Mike Bino
from our Wisconsin magazine and
we're talking about the latest
issue every two months. The issues
come out as somebody get an issue
or get the subscription to our
Wisconsin magazine. Glad you asked
on it. It's pretty simple. You
just pick up the phone and you call
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you gave the phone number. There was
an episode of King of Queens where
the son of the son of law wanted
to call a pizza place. And his
father law played by. I give his name
all of a sudden he played George
Costanza's father to on Seinfeld.
Anyway, he gives the phone number
to the area code two one two six
three four eight nine eight like
the numbers didn't there was no rhythm
to it. Just give me the phone.
That that that that that that that
was just giving numbers randomly.
Yeah, you could figure out how to make the phone call.
So I'm glad you gave the numbers like that.
Okay, one more time. Give that phone
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All right. Next door we're going to talk about
has some has a great backstory on it.
This is about the cheerleader. The high
school cheerleader from Sturgeon Bay.
Let's talk about that. Well, the
Green Bay Packers. It's rumored there's a team there.
They'll get it straightened out. They're a little up and down this season.
But the Green Bay Packers are probably the
most reported story subject in the state of Wisconsin
wall to wall all the time.
And for that reason we don't usually report
much on it in our Wisconsin.
We tell the stories from the readers themselves.
But one reader was one of the original cheerleaders
for the Green Bay Packers going back many years.
And with a story that personal that kind of
a personal angle something she lived.
That's a little different.
We'll go ahead and tackle his subject.
So we're talking about Paula Homewood from Sturgeon Bay.
She's a Sturgeon Bay native.
And she was one of the Packer cheerleaders.
Now some history is needed here.
In 1931 the Packers became one of the first
team's pro football teams to have cheerleaders
on their squad on the sidelines.
But these girls and my mother was one of them by the way in 1952.
They got these squads from senior girls from
Green Bay East and Green Bay West High Schools.
The only two high schools up there at the time.
And they take six girls from each
and put together cheerleading squad.
Over the years they were called the Packerettes,
then the Golden Girls, then the sidliners.
So that very early iteration of the high schoolers,
they would have been the Packerettes.
And they were there for nearly 30 years on the sidelines.
And then some party comes in in 1959 and he wanted
a little bit more jazzy show on the more professional
on the sidelines.
So they got Mary Jane Van Dies was her original name,
her band name.
And she was the girlfriend of Curly Lambo,
right around that time.
She became Mary Jane Sorgil later on.
But she was a very glamorous sort of drum major.
She led the Packers Lumberjack band into Wrinkley Field
and did a baton twirling routine as a single person show,
solo act.
And the Chicago Tribune named her the Packers Golden Girl.
Well, Vince Lombardi had this Golden Girls set up a group
to work with her and they called themselves the Golden Girls
in Paula Home, who I just mentioned,
was a young lady in the Sturgeon Bay.
She was one of Mary Jane Sorgil's Golden Girls.
Now these were just, as she put it,
getting high school girls who weren't taking it real seriously.
It wasn't really dance routines, it was more marching routines.
And Mary Jane would take this group of girls down to wonderful restaurants
in Chicago and Milwaukee and treat them.
And she mother-in-them all around their travels
and led them on the sidelines.
And to this date, Mary Jane, I believe she passed away in 2022.
Before that, Paula Homeuth and several of her prodigies
that were led by Mary Jane went to her room at the end
and performed like, these are 70, 70-year-old ladies.
They're in there performing some of their routines, marching,
to give my regards to Broadway and other showtunes,
for Mary Jane in a room there toward the end and did that for her.
A very tight-knit group and it was an interesting journey
from 1931 to 1986.
They finally, the Packers, stopped having sideline routines at that time.
None of this was ever the Dallas Cowboys cheerleaders.
It wasn't ever that kind of thing.
It was more hometown and it's interesting to have that picture
of the very professional Dallas Cowboy cheerleaders
versus the young ladies from Green Bay East
and Green Bay West High School.
You see your mother was one of them, huh?
She was, yeah.
And when I was growing up, I was watching the Dallas Cowboys cheerleaders.
I was a Packers cheerleader and looked at her and said,
no, I shouldn't have done that to my mother.
But that is true.
She went to Green Bay East High School and was one of the girls
on the sidelines for a brief period in her life.
Look at you, a touch of greatness.
So you are, so she was a cheerleader
and who was the coach at the time when she was the cheerleader?
Was it Lombardi or was it, who was the coach?
That would have been, that would have been before Vince Lombardi.
So she was probably coaching when Scooter McLean was taking him
to a 1-11 record.
It was very early on by 1959 when Lombardi got there.
It took him a couple of years to get things going.
She, I would have been probably about four years old.
So she was often married into her adult life.
So you are just one degree of separation away from the Green Bay Packers?
You know something when you grow up in a town like that.
I look back in those years in the 60s.
I mean, the kids I went to school with,
they were Bart Starris, Sun, Zeke Brad Coutie, Sun in our backyard.
Across the fence was a defensive backfield coach named Tom McCormick
from down south.
He chewed a lot of tobacco.
My grandmother had a little tiny house,
probably built in the 20s that she was renting out on the west side of Green Bay
with her tip money from waitressing at the hotel.
It's still there.
It doesn't even, it's got a tiny one-car garage.
Her batterly rented that house with his family from her in the 60s.
He's in the NFL Hall of Fame in Canton.
He was on Super Bowl teams for Dallas and Green Bay.
This was very small town.
Jerry Moore tells who I went to school with his father,
the insurance man in town,
was the timekeeper at Lambo Field.
When he moved on, young Jerry got old Jerry's job.
He might still be the timekeeper.
That's the way it was in that town.
And when I look back on it, excuse me, I was working in Chicago.
The Packers were really bad,
and then they started getting a little bit better during the homegrown era.
I would throw out these names,
and people looked at me like,
they couldn't believe that all these famous people were right around us in town.
Tony Canadeo, the famous running back from the 1940s.
These guys had to have second jobs.
He was an exterminator.
They got in shape and summer,
and then they worked as plumbers or whatever they did through the years.
It's an interesting little microcosm there,
and it's kind of,
I kind of shake my head when I look back at it.
They weren't stars to us.
We just grew up with these people.
Look at you growing up in the town with a great way back.
Oh, fine, I've fallen.
Hold on.
No, you haven't fallen anywhere.
Hold on, we're talking to Mike Bino from our Wisconsin magazine.
We still have some more stories to talk about
when the latest issue comes out every two months.
And it's one of those things when I see it in the mail,
it's, oh, good.
I ripped the plastic off,
because it's put in the plastic wrapper,
and we start reading it, my wife and I.
Before we get to the other stories, though, Mike,
I'm talking about the ad you have in here for a Clawson Christmas,
because we were going to go there.
We were all set to go,
take a trip up there,
and my wife and I,
and then COVID broke out,
and that put the kibosh on that trip
because they canceled everything.
But let's talk about the ad in your talk.
Because you did a story once you said of this family, right?
Yeah, the Clawson family,
up around Coloma,
that's Marquette County,
and the northern end of Marquette County is where this is located.
And a reader quite a long time ago,
and I'm saying about 10 years ago,
tipped us off about this family music show
that's going on in Central Wisconsin,
in the farm country,
and we hadn't heard about that.
Well, I mean, tour buses full of people
are coming out for entertainment,
and this kind of hidden away rural area,
Central part of the state.
And so we took a look,
and we were astonished at the size and scope
of what they have going on there,
at the Coloma,
near Coloma Wisconsin.
It's the Clawson family music show.
And the family puts, they have a,
like a big barn venue,
that's all refurbished,
cleaned up.
It's all modern.
They have a modern kitchen,
and a stage,
and all the lighting,
and the family is very talented.
They're musicians.
It's mostly string instruments.
There's guitars and fiddles and stand-up bass,
and they do retrospectives going,
we mentioned Elvis a long time ago.
They do some of that.
They do a lot of country-themed music,
rock-a-billy, different things like that.
They have a Christmas show.
And since we did,
since we reported on this,
they've had some ads from time to time,
showing the different,
oh, the different theme shows they have.
They sometimes have,
they've had Norwegian food there,
and they're tied in with the theme.
And so, if you look online,
Claude and Family Music Show,
you'll see the list of events,
the list of shows they have,
and they've got Christmas programs coming up.
So it's dinner theater.
It's dinner and a show.
And it's very Midwestern,
very wholesome Midwestern,
and interesting.
I think, I know our readers love it
because they continue to comment on it in the magazine,
and they wouldn't be putting ads in here
if it wasn't working.
So I think that is something you just said
that you missed one of their shows,
when COVID came out.
Yeah.
I think you may be able to look at re-booking something
because people have fun at those.
Yes.
It's like those shows just see on the RFD channel on cable.
On Saturday night,
whether they bring the Pressley family out,
they bring all these family shows out.
Yeah.
I would love to go.
Just reminding me,
I think we're going to book it.
Book a week and get it out.
It's not Branson,
but it's something that kind of like Branson Light
I would call it.
Branson Light.
Let's talk about their hilltop hideaway.
I would love to live in a house like this.
The problem with living in a house like this,
you have pictured here.
You have to live in the middle of nowhere.
That's where this happens.
That's where this happens.
Now maybe compared to where you grew up,
yeah, it's back into nowhere.
But Blue River, Wisconsin is really a gorgeous place
because it's in the drift list region
of Southwest Wisconsin.
That is the area that was untouched by the glaciers.
Three-quarters of the state was pretty much
mone over by glaciers.
You have the rolling hills,
the gently rolling hills.
You got a lot of field stones.
That's called drift.
Those are stones that were hauled all the way
from Canada by these great ice sheets.
That's enough geology for the program.
What we have in the drift list area
is the way Wisconsin looked before it was touched
by the glaciers.
It's a very beautiful ridge country.
When you're in the middle of it,
on your Blue River in Muscaday
and Richland Center,
it kind of puts you in the mind of Switzerland
because you have these tall, tall ridges
and little flat fields,
farms in the coolies,
the flat ground next to the ridges, as they call it.
If you look on the map,
there's no straight roads.
Very few.
They wind among the topography of these ridges.
It's very interesting.
It's a slower way of life.
I live in far northern Wisconsin,
the Pineyree with the lakes,
and all of that.
It's very nice.
It's vacation land.
For my money,
it's not as pretty as a drift list region.
It's just the walnut trees.
It's something.
This cabin we're talking about
is this couple from Waukesh.
Hold on a sec.
Hold on a sec.
We're talking cabin.
This is not like Abe Lincoln's cabin where he's born.
This is not that cabin.
This is a little dress stuff.
Yes.
But it's pretty new.
It's part of our little cabin fever section
that we run every once a while
and send a photographer.
So what's different about this house
that was built by
the Richards, Karen Richards,
and Karen Richards and Dan out of Waukesh.
It's a house that comes from many different places,
I would say.
They found their piece of land in this driftless area.
I'm talking about 60 acres along
in Blue River,
which is along the Wisconsin River.
And they're going to build this home.
So they got their little camping trailer
and they got the dream.
They're figuring out where they're going to put their place.
They weren't exactly sure what it was going to look like.
So they came across a newspaper clipping
advertising hand-hung logs from the 1800s.
It was a home that originally was in the Chano area
with flat-sided logs
done by hand with an ads
and taken apart, numbered,
and it's to be put together like Lincoln logs.
So they went and took a look at this house
and bought those logs higher to semi-truck
and at the time it was in East Troy with the builder.
So it got from Chano to East Troy.
They hired a truck
and hauled these logs out to the site.
The logs date 1852.
So they got accrued their sons and neighbors
and everybody who was willing to lend a hand.
They came out and sorted these logs
and started stacking them, flat-sided,
got them up,
Dan's a brick layer by trade.
So he's doing a little bit of masonry work
on the foundation, getting that going.
The interesting part about this as it was coming together.
The floors that they used were wood
from a hundred-year-old barn and green bay.
There's a tin ceiling in the kitchen.
That was hammered tin.
That was in an office building in Chicago.
There are overhead lights in here
that illuminated railroad cars
and the 1800s all rewired obviously
and up to modern standards.
Lights in the kitchen
and great room are made from old blue mason jars.
Interesting things everywhere you look in the wood.
They've got oak and they've got walnut.
There's eucalyptus going on in here.
But what they made for themselves
is it's a cabin, maybe a little three-bedroom cabin.
Modern conveniences and such.
But it's got a very old-timey old-fashioned field.
They have a stove
which is, you can use gas, but it's a wood stove.
And they use that wood stove for baking
and you're cooking a little bit of heat in the house
because there's masonry.
That's a heat sink that heats up.
But these people, for about ten years,
drove, they're both working people.
He's a mason.
She worked in an office.
They would pack up their truck
and walk you shot on a Friday.
Drive as fast as they could out there
to Blue River and start hammering nails
and putting on a metal roof.
Get all done Sunday evening.
Drive back.
Get to their job the next day.
That's the way it went for many years.
Now they can sit on the front porch and relax.
It's a beautiful serene setting.
No traffic.
Isn't that great?
I love it.
It's nice.
I do love it if I was to retire
with no cares in the world.
Maybe I'll buy the house from them.
I just, the inside of the house is magnificent.
You got to see the picture spread in our Wisconsin magazine.
The inside is just a knockout.
It looks like a very modern house.
It doesn't look like an old like cabin.
It's just beautiful.
We're going to take a quick break.
We're talking to our Wisconsin magazine's editor
and he's really like the owner.
Mike Bino.
Okay, let's talk about the string collector.
We're not talking about H.O. trains.
We're not talking about line L trains.
These are the real things.
This is the real thing.
And Mike Kirk of Wapaka is the real deal.
Now you mentioned the model railroading.
And he's got some of that in his past as a teenager.
He got into that with some other hobbyists around there.
But he was just a hardworking man in a factory in the Wapaka area.
And a very community minded.
He was helping rebuild a river,
create the river ridge trail.
This is a year 2000.
That runs through the outskirts of town and into town.
And there's some railroad tracks.
They're long unused.
The Su-line, last Su-line train I think came through in the 1960s.
But there's the Wapaka train depot, a historic building.
And it had fallen into terrible disrepair.
It had been tagged by a whole bunch of graffiti artists.
And there was a lot of pieces falling off.
And it was quite a nice sore.
Right next to this nice trail that they had just put into town.
And Mike loved the railroads.
He was a train fan.
And he couldn't just ignore that.
So he got some support, I mean moral support really,
from the local historical society.
And he and his sister and others went to the Canadian National Railway at the time
and made an offer to buy this old historic building,
which was a complete wreck.
He had the idea of refurbishing it.
And you see a picture in here that looks beyond refurbishing to me.
But they finally struck a deal where they bought this building
after four years of negotiation.
And they got the building.
And it was in rough shape.
And Mike said, well, I was the one to do it.
I was the one to push the idea.
I knew I'd be the one doing the work.
And people thought he was crazy about 2004-2005.
And he himself mostly started taking this apart,
taking the roof off, getting it down to the bones
and rebuilding this old historic building.
A lot of physical labor.
Mike put a lot of his own money into it.
He only lived a half mile up the line on it.
And so whenever he had spare time, he'd be there working.
Because he wants to safeguard the history.
So there's three fireplaces in it, a ticket window
and operator's office, waiting room, baggage area.
He's trying to keep it historically accurate the way it was.
So he's in there working day and night,
investing his time and money.
He said, ah, that day-to-day stuff.
I don't care.
I live nearby.
I can come by anytime.
So he worked on that for 10 years.
It took him 10 years, but he got this old masonry building
with a tile roof, all back in shape,
looking the way it did when trains pulled in
and out passenger lines in the 60s.
This is in 2014 he's finished.
But he's not really finished.
Because then the building's done.
He gets the idea to dig a basement underneath it.
So he starts doing it by hand and by himself.
I mean with his shovel, digging sand from under this building,
so he could put a big room underneath.
Why?
For railroad memorabilia in a great big model train layout,
as you just described.
And he got that done.
Some people helped him, but he got that done.
So finally in 2020, he retired from his job.
And so he's at the Depot and his station,
Master's Uniform, a little outfit, official.
And there's a caboose there.
And there is a potato calling, excuse me, hauling car.
There's inside railroad China where there's a baggage car.
There's a fully furnished caboose outside.
Kids can activate a railroad crossing lights and bell.
And if you're lucky, Michael will be there in a station master uniform to greet you.
So you can go there and see this anytime.
And there was a documentary made in 2024 called Back on Track
the Rebuilding of the Wapaka Train Depot.
It's one man's labor of love for about 20 years.
And when I say labor, I mean it's backbreaking.
We have near us here near the radio station in Stert event.
We had an old Stert event train station.
It was still used, but it was old.
It wasn't modern at all.
Very old.
And then they just said enough.
And they were going to destroy it, but they,
the historical society or somebody bought it.
And they moved it.
Now it's a gift shop at Christmas time.
They moved it to a totally different area.
But it's still the original train station.
And they put a couple of railroad cars out there with it.
And it's great to hold on to this history.
Don't let it die.
Don't let it get torn down and buried somewhere.
So they bought the train station.
And where it was, it's just an empty lot now.
But the station's been preserved.
Much like this gentleman's doing it.
By the way, I got to say in that conductor outfit,
he looks really authentic.
He looked like he just came out of Dodge City, Kansas.
And he's running out.
Yeah.
That is my favorite picture in the entire magazine.
It was shot by a fellow named Giles LaRoc.
He's a photographer and a peer.
But you can see the personality of this soft, spoken, gentle soul.
And he looks like somebody you just want to sit down.
And sit down alongside and just talk with.
I could picture an old railroad car back in the 1800s.
And the conductor come to tickets.
Tickets.
Tickets.
He's the guy.
Over a shoulder, you can see that railroad chinaware
from when people were served on Pullman cars.
This is a great issue.
Every issue is great.
But this one is just, you can spend hours reading.
And then you'll reread it.
It's our Wisconsin magazine.
If you want to subscribe, it comes out every every two months.
Give the, I can't believe you put this out every two months.
To me, we take every year to put in this real like this out.
Mike, give the phone number.
How do they subscribe?
You can call us here at the office too.
That's seven, one, five, five, four, three, two, three, one, one.
But I'm on the line issues too.
But I'm on the line with you now.
So get away till I get off the line with you.
Yeah, that's right.
I'm talking on that line.
This is great.
I love talking to you every every two months.
If you want to hear the podcast, just go to WRJN.com,
the civic media site or Apple podcast Spotify.
Wherever you get your podcasts, you'll find it up there tomorrow morning.
It's a great issue.
We just touched on a few of the stories.
The photography is wonderful.
If you really want to get into autumn,
they've got some great photos in here.
Mike, thank you very much for joining us.
Hold on the line.
Okay, don't go anywhere.
I'm glad you're feeling better.
We could go.
You were like a death store.
You sound better.
