The Don Rosen Show (Hour 2)

You know, when I first suspected that I might have OCD, I googled it, and there are different

symptoms, and some I have, and some I don't.

And the ones I have, some I have more strongly than others, so I decided to make a color-coded

graph.

I listed the symptoms, I said I'm going to rate from 0 to 10 how strongly I feel I have

each symptom, total it up, and divide it by the number of symptoms.

If I'm higher than 5, I'll seek professional help.

If I'm under 5, I'll self-diagnose that I am a-ok.

Number 1, are you the type of person who has to check the stove repeatedly to make sure

it's off?

And I'm like, uh, zero.

That's a looney-tunes land.

Number 2, are you the type of person who has to wash your hands over and over again?

When I had this nagging feeling that I forgot to answer that first question, so I looked

up, yeah, I did write zero.

Okay, hand washing, six.

I'm like, that ain't even right, I scribbled that out, I got some ink on my hands, I went

to go wash my hands.

While I'm washing my hands, I'm like, why did they mention stove?

So I checked the stove, it was on, I'm like, I'm never going to make that mistake again

and I came back and I chained hand washing to two.

It's the most wonderful time of the year, with the kids' jingle belling and everyone

telling you'd be a good cheer, it's the most wonderful time of the year, it's the

happy season of all, with those holiday greetings and gay happy meetings when friends come

to call, it's the happy season of all, there'll be parties for hosting my spells for

toasting and caroling out in the snow, there'll be scary ghost stories and tales of the

glories, it's Christmas as long as I go, it's the most wonderful time of the year, there'll

be much mistletoeing and hearts will be glowing when loved ones are near, it's the most wonderful

time of the year.

Hi, yes, it's the most wonderful time of the year, if you have money and good spirits

and you're healthy, it's always the most wonderful time of the year.

Debbie Hamlet is here, she is the general manager of Milwaukee PBS channels 10 and 36 in

Milwaukee, and how long have you been general manager for?

Good morning up in here, right?

Good morning, right at six months, six months, okay, how long have you been with Milwaukee

PBS?

Six months?

Did you work at a TV before?

Oh, yeah, I've been in public media for about 25 years.

Oh, wow, okay, so you know, you work way around it.

And public television is different than commercial television, with the effect, you don't

sit through all the commercials on the TV show, it's just, it's public supported.

If you like what you see, you give money to it and that's how you raise money where

everybody else is just trying to get salesman on the street to sell a 30 second or 60 second

commercial, like radio, and so that's the way they make money.

And you're one of the lucky ones because you've got a good channel 10 before there was cable

and all the digital stuff, I mean, to be not on, you're on UHF with channel 36, but still

to have channel 10, what a lucky break that was, you're up there with all the biggies.

I know, we're lucky, yeah, you're right, very fortunate.

When I grew up in New York, we had channel 13, which was the, but it was still there.

I know, but it's like, well, it's like 13, it's like, it's only three, it's three numbers

from 10.

But when you have the dial on the TV before they had all the dials, it was always 13 is the

last one.

I remember what their logo was.

It was an owl.

13 was the last number on the dial.

Yeah.

I didn't know that.

And when you had a, when you had dial TV, it was one through 13, you know, 14 was UHF.

Oh, okay, okay.

Yeah.

Then you're in no man's land over there.

Yeah.

Channel 13.

But they did well with it.

And you said they're still there.

Still there.

Yeah.

I remember the first time I, what's that?

Still called 13.

They still go by 13.

They were, um, they were W-A-E-T, I don't know if they still are, um, but that was in their

original call letters.

I'm trying to remember what they were.

Yeah.

Yeah, that's it.

You're right.

But they were something before W-A-E-T.

Oh.

I don't know.

Something with educated, they were, they used to build themselves as New York's educational

TV station.

Because that's what they had on the whole day.

Mm-hmm.

Now we're going to teach you how to clean a pot.

Now I'm going to teach you how to fry beans.

Now I'm going to teach you how to fry beans.

That's what it was all day.

Allowing.

Now they have great programming on there.

I'm going to look for it to see if I can find it for you, um, a comedy bit on the TV show

Nova.

Okay.

That would be good.

I don't see a lot of comedy on Nova.

Well, this guy's watching it and I'll, I'll play that for you later if I can find it.

I meant to look for it.

I forgot to look for it.

First public TV station I was associated with was Channel 21 on Long Island.

W-A-L-I-W.

W-A-L-I-W.

Yeah.

I was a radio station on Long Island and I was just like 20 years old, 19, 20 years

old.

And they said, you're going to host our auction.

But it wasn't like the Channel 10 auction was you sat at a desk like Johnny Carson and they

had guests coming in.

And my first guest was a guy I grew up watching on TV when I was a kid and I was so seeing

him in person.

I was a ham and a ham and a ham and he was sitting right there.

And I didn't know much about tell.

I never been on television before and it was, we were in the middle of a snow storm and

I got out of my car and I got snow all over my pants because they didn't pull out the

parking lot.

It was just in the middle of blizzard.

So what am I going to do?

Uh-huh.

And so I went there and the bottom of my pants were all wet.

And when I stood up, you could see they were wet because they didn't clean them, but

the walkways are anything and I would all slept to the snow.

It was a disaster.

I was supposed to do a whole week I did one day and they stopped it.

And then you guys, in 1980 asked me to do it and I was a little more adept at it then.

And I hosted the Channel 10 auction for the 36 or 37 years that it was.

It was a long run.

I've been through a lot of general managers, but a lot of great people.

It was so nice to me.

Even when I had, uh, I just got over my heart surgery, uh, three weeks afterwards.

I had a host of the auction and my surgeon said, you could do it.

Just be careful.

So my son drove me there and they were so worried about me.

They were coming.

Are you feeling okay?

Are you feeling okay?

Here's a glass of water.

I'm fine.

I really am.

Fine.

You're supposed to be sitting.

I said, I'll be fine.

Don't worry.

But if you're not fine, I'll be right over here watching.

Signal me.

If you're not fine.

I'm fine.

It's a very caring bunch.

It is a very caring bunch.

Yeah.

Now, how did, how did public broadcasting get started?

Commercial TV's always been there, but how did public broadcasting get started?

Whose idea was it to say, we're not going to sell commercials.

We're going to just go on the faith of the good people of our town and they're going

to support us.

How did that happen?

Oh, you're asking me for history lessons now.

Well, you know, it was a, it was a public private partnership between the, you know,

the government and decided that we needed space for public TV and it started out as educational

television.

Every station was educational television.

It still is educational.

We just don't call ourselves educational anymore.

It used to be you'd be in a classroom and, you know, they'd pull in the TV.

Yes.

You know, absolutely.

Yeah.

I remember that.

You used to show you certain shows, right?

Right.

Right.

So you'd go in there and, and they pull the TV in and you'd learn about, you know, learn

to speak French or learn, you know, all kinds of different things in there.

And so it's, it's still the same thing.

It's a classroom of the world right there.

But you have such, you have such entertaining programs too.

Very entertaining.

Yeah.

We have entertaining, but also educational.

I mean, if you watch Nova, you're going to learn something.

You watch nature.

You're going to learn something.

What do you, whether you like it or not, you're going to learn something and you don't

even know you're learning it.

And you come away with something and you say, wow, so on PBS, did you see this?

And you're telling somebody else about what you saw.

I don't think the guys around anymore, but every night, we used to watch the star hustler.

You remember the star hustler?

I don't remember that.

He used to come on and he used to tell you what was in the sky that night.

It was like five or ten minutes.

And we was right at the end of the night.

And you say, look up at the sky tonight.

This is what you're going to see.

He was called the star hustler.

I know there's a, on the radio side of things, public radio has a, now this guy was on TV.

He used to, he used to have his image going through the sky and I mean, pointing to stars.

I don't remember that.

Yeah.

It was not the one for years.

That's kind of cool.

I'm dating myself here a little bit.

I was telling you, my mother never wants Lawrence woke a day in her life until she came

to Racine and one day found him on six o'clock on Channel 10.

And every week it was Lawrence Welk.

Uh-huh.

And where do you get, how do you get the old shows on there?

Where do you, how do you do that?

Because it, the, the host of the show is actually one of the former dancers on the show.

The singers and dancers she hosted.

And it's all new because she, you know, she obviously looks, you know, a little older now.

She talks about the good old days.

Uh-huh.

Do you see that's what they call the wrap around the beginning and the end of the show?

Yeah.

How do you get these shows like that?

I mean, where do they come from?

Well, most of them come from stations themselves.

So Oklahoma has been producing that program, did produce that program for years and years

and years, still distributed.

And we still run it Saturdays six o'clock.

My wife and I watch it.

You do.

You watch it every week.

Yeah.

Well, not it.

We tried it.

It's more of a nostalgic thing now, I think.

It is.

And, you know, I watched it when my grandparents, you watched it with your mom.

I want to hear a funny Lawrence Welk story.

This is a true story.

Lawrence Welk.

This is back in the 70s when Brewer and Shipley had to hit song one, Toke over the line.

Remember that song?

One Toke over the line.

Sweet Jesus.

Right.

Don't make me sing.

Hang in there.

Anyway.

So we had Dale and Gale sing the song and they did there, you know, the typical Lawrence

Welk rendition of this song and Lawrence Welk came back and said, uh, a modern spiritual

from Dale and Gale.

He had no idea it was about drugs.

He had not a clue a modern spiritual about, yeah, from Dale and Gale, because he heard

the word Jesus in it.

Yeah.

And he thought it was a spiritual gospel song.

And if you look online, if you Lawrence Welk, one Toke over the line, they have the

complete story there and you can actually see the video of him saying a modern spiritual

from Dale.

I think Gale Ferrell and Dale, whatever, they just sing together.

I had a previous station I worked out.

We had Joanne Castle come in for a special event.

Oh wow.

She wears the big boa and everything, you know, she comes in and plays the piano and, uh,

she was just fantastic.

So.

Is that the woman who slams the real fast and everything?

Yes.

She really does.

Yeah.

I like her.

Yeah.

And then you got Myron Floren on the accordion.

Yeah.

It's such a great show to watch.

Lauren 12.

That's a Saturday night.

You have a ton of other stuff.

The series you had on recently about icons in America, icons, a long running series.

Which one?

No, it wasn't long.

It was a short.

Well, I'll look it up for you in a second because my memory is not what it used to

be.

Um, icons.

I'll look it up.

Icons in America.

It was called and every week they took a different icon and you'll find it and say icons

in America.

And he said he did Fenway Park.

He did.

Oh, yes.

Hollywood sign.

Hollywood sign.

The Cowboys.

Stoned out in the park.

He did.

They're right.

It was just a stone mountain.

I loved that series.

Yeah.

I loved it.

And that's something you won't find on NBC.

They're going to run that.

You learned something.

I learned to write.

It was educational.

And I lived in your stone mountain in Georgia for several years.

I did too.

Yeah.

Well, I'll tell you about that.

That's a long story.

Debbie Hamlet is here.

General Manager of Milwaukee, PBS.

More coming up to move.

I'm trying to get smart.

I've been watching Nova.

You see that, Joe?

They had a thing a couple of weeks ago about string theory.

I started watching that at 8 p.m. and at 803.

My brain exploded.

They said, string theory is the stuff that the physicists

are now figuring out that Albert Einstein was not

able to nail down in his theories.

Something like, well, if Albert Einstein didn't understand it,

me on account of the bag of potato chips don't have a shot.

I see what they're talking about.

Yeah, you got to incorporate gravity.

I was wondering why he didn't do that.

I'm saying they're working on my string cheese theory.

You know, they always say Albert Einstein was a genius.

Then, how come when anyone ever calls you that?

It's an insult?

You don't know where you parked the car.

Good job, Einstein.

I don't think we're honoring that man properly

by using his name in vain and parking lots.

Oh, there's no place like home for the holidays.

Because no matter how far away you are, when you pine

for the sunshine of a friendly gaze, for the holidays,

you can't beat home, sweet home.

I met a man who lives in Tennessee.

He was heading for Pennsylvania and some homemade pumpkin pie.

From Pennsylvania for the holidays.

Oh, OK, there be handling of season channel manager

of Milwaukee PBS.

You just had your fun drive, right?

We did.

How'd it go?

It went great.

It went great.

Lots of money.

Good support.

Very good support from people all around who love Milwaukee PBS

and we love to see that.

And that's good.

And now, again, it's on cable now, Channel 10

and 36 is really on 36, right?

Because I know Channel 4 and Milwaukee is on Channel 83,

which makes no sense, but I know how they wound up there.

Yeah, it kind of depends on what service you have.

And Channel 58 is Channel 8, which

I know why that stuff happened, but it's kind of confusing.

But you were on 10 and 36, there's no problem.

You get a lot of British shows too.

We do.

We do lots of dramas, lots of mystery.

Who makes the decision on what's going to be on locally

and what's going to be on the network?

And is that happening?

We look at a lot of different things.

We look at a lot of different shows.

We look at that in the beginning of the year.

What can we afford to pie?

Because those are acquisitions.

So we have to pay for that stuff.

We have to pay for that.

Yeah.

And so we look at those kinds of things,

what are the ones that we think will resonate with the audience?

And then we put those on like Duck Martens

and it's 10th season, 10th final season, very popular.

Dr. Who is one of your shows, right?

Dr. Who, yeah, that's really going to happen in it.

I never understood that.

We had a chief engineer who's swore by Dr. Who.

Oh, yeah.

And he said, it's so talky.

I mean, there's no action.

And he said, it's such a great show.

He never made people do it.

And he was one of these people he had Dr. Who stuff in home.

Oh, yeah.

It's a whole thing, yeah.

And I never, I never understood that.

When my wife watch a lot of your British shows and they,

I really kind of started with Masterpiece Theater.

Yes.

You know, everything is people just love Masterpiece Theater.

I love it.

Which SNL's done.

So many takes on Masterpiece Theater.

Yeah.

You want a funny bit?

There's a million of those.

That's the first Nova bit I ever heard, though.

No, I haven't heard that before either.

That's funny.

And the first thing that I thought about was String Cheese, too.

So we have a lot in common.

Here's the thing PBS has done, which affected generations

of people, Sesame Street.

Oh, yes.

Who doesn't like Sesame Street?

Come on, what's your favorite?

What's your favorite?

Well, I grew up in the early 60s before Sesame Street.

But I know the whole thing behind it.

And how Sesame Street got these giant guest stars

to be on the show over the years.

Some of the biggest stars in Hollywood and show business

were all on Sesame Street.

They still do.

Do you have a favorite character?

No.

Oh, come on.

I didn't want, well, there you go.

There you go.

I see I can totally see that.

I like there's two old man, the two car legends in the theater.

Oh, yeah, that's the Muppets.

Yeah, up and there.

But they were on Sesame Street.

No, they were on Muppets.

What's the disconnect between Muppets and Sesame Street?

Did Jim Hanson started?

Yeah, started the Muppets.

So he spun off did his own thing.

Sesame Street had some characters.

Sesame Big Birds, the biggest character,

the most famous character on there.

Big Bird.

My favorite's Oscar the Grouch.

I just love him.

Okay, we'll have a couple more.

Okay, monster.

I love.

Who doesn't love Elmo?

Come on.

If you're not smiling when you hear Elmo talk, something's wrong.

And the way they taught the alphabet and numbers.

Yeah.

And they did it in such a way where kids would remember it.

Yeah.

The other one I watched was Electric Company.

The Electric Company was another one, a big children show.

The Electric Company.

And Zoom.

Zoom.

I remember that too.

Yeah.

Again, this was after I was a kid.

I mean.

It was watching those shows, singing the songs, you know, and they had good guest stars

on.

You're right.

Great guest stars on Sesame Street.

And these are shows that they couldn't do on commercial television.

You just, you think it would make a ton of money.

I think they would have grabbed Sesame Street, but you have to break for so many commercials

to make money and these shows didn't break.

Well, Sesame Street had a different mission though.

They were teaching kids, you know, started out teaching children about the people in their

neighborhood, just exactly what it's built on, you know, and your neighborhood looks different.

Oh.

The biggest one, Mr. Rogers.

Mr. Rogers.

I love Mr. Rogers.

Fred Rogers.

Yeah.

I didn't watch Mr. Rogers growing up, but I had the honor of having him speak at my college

graduation.

And as nice as he was on the TV show, that's how nice he was in real person.

So nice.

I've heard him talk many times because sweaters he made were submitted by his mother.

His mother, yeah.

Yeah.

Fred Rogers.

He was a minister.

And he did this show and it was high today.

We're going to talk about a train.

Have you ever seen a train?

Trains come in all sizes.

They make noises like choo choo.

He was very, very kind.

Oh, I love Fred Rogers.

And he was on the tonight show with Johnny Carson a few times and he has a great sense

of humor too.

I mean, he just wasn't, you know, that used to go put on the sweater.

Do you remember when he won an Emmy and he had the entire place was so quiet because

he was, he was talking about how what a difference that the show had made and then he asked

everyone to think of someone who made a difference in their life and then just take

five seconds and then put, you could have heard a pen drop.

It was just one of those moments on TV that you just don't see, you know, he had such

an impact on on generations for so many generations.

Children, this is a pin.

You know what a pin does?

A pin is sharp.

You don't want to get hit with the pin.

It pops balloons.

It knits.

Pins do all sorts of nice things.

I remember Fred Rogers.

What a nice person.

Now do you, you're running shows of reruns or no?

Yeah, they're on on Sundays Sunday.

Oh, they really?

I can't do that in.

Yes.

Mr. Rogers, neighbor.

It goes perfectly with your woke time.

Yeah.

Lawrence.

Well, my wife was watching it.

I heard it from the other room.

I was taking a nap at her.

Lawrence, well, come on.

And there were ladies and gentlemen, we got a one and a two.

His license plate was a one and a two.

That was his license plate.

Perfect.

Perfect.

A one and a two.

It's a Lawrence work show.

I'm coming to you from my hometown in North Dakota, where I was born.

And we've got, oh, look, though, we got all our dancers here today.

We got myron flooring on the accordion, all the bubbles, the bubbles, the champagne

bubbles.

We got champagne dancers and champagne, which was today, anyway, he was, he was great.

And the Lennon sisters, Andrew sisters, the Lennon sisters, got to a store by the Lennon

sisters coming up as a second, okay?

After the break, the Lennon sisters story, I was thinking of his time and I don't have

time to do it now.

Right after the break, Lennon sisters remind me because I'll forget.

Okay.

Okay.

That's down Lennon sisters.

And I want to talk about some of the Christmas specials you guys have coming up on PBS,

right?

Okay.

That's all straight ahead.

It's 729 at WRJN Radio, sunshine, the name of the hundred thirty five, cloudy tonight

lows around 29, sunny tomorrow, highs near 40 right now, 16 and sunny.

I'm going to get to know you better, this Christmas and as we trim the tree, how much

fun it's going to be together, this Christmas, the fire size blazing bright.

We're counting through the night and this Christmas will be 735, this is WRJN Radio at

every hamlet is here.

She's the general manager from the walking PBS who mentioned the Lennon sisters.

Yes.

I got a story.

I got a story here.

So my wife and I go to Branson, I don't know why we just decided to go to Branson just

to get away and take a drive down there.

We did a lot of road trips and we want to see Andy Williams at the moon river theater.

Andy Williams, the legend, they're going to see Andy Williams perform.

So we get there and I go to pick up my tickets in the box.

So if I said I reserved and there's a sign, Andy Williams has taken ill.

Oh, no.

He won't be performing instead and Margaret and the Lennon sisters are going to appear.

Oh, there you go.

And I said, wow, that's okay.

I can deal with that.

I mean, I wish Andy Williams, but he never recovered by the way, passed away a few weeks

later.

So he was really ill.

They weren't faking it.

So we get there and Ann markets on stage and Ann markets up there in age a little bit

and I think you're dancing days are behind you a little bit.

She's performing, but you always had two guys on either side of her kind of holding your

arm just in case, but they were very good at it where it didn't look like they were

dancing.

It looked like they were dancing with her.

So, but the Lennon sisters were also on the bill, except one of the Lennon sisters

was sick.

So we got two Lennon sisters or three Lennon sisters, I forget what they were.

They were excellent.

They were like the day they were on Lawrence well.

I mean, they just they just had it down to a science.

He entertaining the singing their voices.

So Ann market, I'm glad I saw Ann Margaret because she's a legend in business, but she

really shouldn't have been dancing.

I'm sure they called her up in the last minute and said, listening to help us at Andy's

sick, your friend to his and yeah, but the Lennon sisters were just great.

So that's my Lennon sister story.

And I got nervous for that and Margaret when they started holding her arms.

Yeah.

You were ready to catch her.

Well, we were in the front.

I don't want to fall in off the stage and I'm like, well, I wouldn't mind at Ann Margaret

in my arms.

See?

I couldn't work to your advantage there.

You know what I got?

Our news guy here was the biggest Ann Margaret fan in which he had a boa.

She was waving around a couple of feathers came out of the boa and I took him and I saved

them.

I gave him to the news guy.

Made his day.

Yeah.

He got a piece of Ann Margaret's wardrobe.

And I said, this is Ann Margaret's closest.

You're going to get.

So that was good.

Before we go anywhere else with this, your fun drive fundraising is over, but you never

really done fundraising.

It's your route.

We do it a few tons a year.

And even though you're not in the official thing, we got to get money.

Yeah.

How do people make a donation to PBS?

You could go online, milwackypbs.org, or if they don't want to give their credit card

like me, who don't like that you credit cards online.

I think I still, you could write a check.

Send it in the mail.

Just as good as.

Just as good.

Yeah.

Well, that's great.

And where, if they want to, where do they send it?

1036 North.

You actually have the 1036 address?

Yes, we do.

You got that in your phone number.

We got that address.

Your channel's 1036.

Well, that's great.

We're all about the branding.

Yeah.

1036.

How do you get 10th?

Well, we moved to a building that happened to be 1036.

That's right.

It used to be a 7-11, but we'd converted it.

And if it wasn't, we made it that way.

1036.

I have no idea how they got that address, but it is kind of interesting.

It's that way.

You could have phone number, the address, the channels, they got everything.

Let's talk about some of the shows.

You have some great Christmas shows on.

Oh, we sure do.

When you fly by channel 10, stop and you'll see a whole line of great, some of them

are legendary Christmas shows.

They're not just brand new.

Oh, yeah.

Like Lawrence.

Well, we keep mentioning him, but he's got his Christmas shows on, but you run other shows

on there that are brand new.

You know, speaking of Lawrence, well, did you ever see the Halloween special?

No.

Oh, I probably did.

It's, you know, the only way that I remember that is very memorable doing the Monster

Mash and the guys were in kind of a tang colored suits.

It's very memorable.

I'm just saying.

I'm trying to run it every year.

What?

And I got, you brought me a Lawrence Welk tie and I know it's not a tie.

What is it?

It's socks.

Oh, Lawrence Welk socks.

You cannot get Lawrence Welk socks anywhere.

You know what I'm going to do next time I go to him with the podiatrist, I'm going to wear

these socks.

I think you say, well, that's your problem.

You're wearing Lawrence Welk socks.

You're wearing those socks in good shape.

Oh, look at a one and a two.

There you go.

A one man and a two.

He was in, he used to have his family on there as grandkids and everything on the

show.

But another guy who looked like a nice guy.

I just saw Mary Lou Metzger at a conference back in the summer and she was at the booth

and they were given away those socks.

Isn't that amazing?

It is the show that they, now that's been a whole different card.

It was on ABC for years.

It was there at Saturday Night Show on ABC.

And afterwards it was he hall.

Well, yeah.

But he took it into syndication after ABC dropped the show and he syndicated it, which

means you got to go find your TV stations to put this on.

And he was in syndication for years with that show.

He didn't need the network.

He did it himself.

And until the, you know, he time to retire, he was going to time some people don't know

when to retire.

Don.

And, you know, he did it.

Let's talk about some of the shows you got coming up here.

Westminster choir.

Yeah.

How about Westminster choir?

When is that on?

Uh, that's on what day is that on just had that here?

Hmm.

Okay.

You talk about something else on the day.

Okay.

We got a show on December 21st.

A it's called poetry and wisdom from the old man.

That's how you got letters to Santa from.

Are you doing that show?

Haha.

Haha.

Don't insult your host.

The old man.

Well, I know what I am.

Letters to Santa from the walkie PBS and M. A T C's television and video, uh, students.

Now M A T C. We mentioned they own channel.

They have the licenses for 10 and 36 and you're located right there on the campus of

Milwaukee area.

Technically.

Right there downtown.

So, uh, this is when, um, they actually do the favorite letters to Santa, you read them

on the air.

Yeah.

This is coming up December 18th in the 21st, 1230 in the afternoon on channel now.

It says channel 10.1 because you've got all the digital channels now.

You can do 10.1.

But on my cable system spectrum, it's the channel 10.

Right.

It depends on what service you're using.

Okay.

Is that that is confusing?

And you got years of, um, Lydia culinary jewelry coming up with another type of show.

Christmas show.

It's Monday, December.

We have gossip on it.

That, um, but yesterday.

So that's good.

We mentioned it now.

You like Italian cooking, right?

Oh, I love it.

I love it.

You got to watch that show, though.

Yeah, I love it.

And if you like Mary Berry, she's got a holiday.

You know, Mary Berry comes from the Great British Baking show.

You know, Mary Berry.

Mm-hmm.

You got to get where they're done.

She's, she's so, you know, you know, what made Great British Baking show so, so

popular was because they were all nice to each other.

They're all really nice to each other.

You take a little bit of a dog and you put it in here, a little bit of a cinnamon on

top.

And that is when we serve the queen, when she was an egg-knock.

It's the same way.

And Mary Berry was the host that she's doing a holiday show.

So it should be fun.

Here's a Christmas show season of light Christmas with a tabernacle choir.

I'm going to mark that down for it.

That's always beautiful.

December 22nd at 8 p.m.

Now, that's on channel 36.

Yeah.

But it'll be on 10, too.

You just go look for what time.

This guy is great.

John McGurrin.

He's got, had you find him?

He is just great with his shows.

You know, I don't know how they found John.

He'd been on Milwaukee PBS for a long time.

I was just on with him week or so ago.

Such a nice guy.

Well, since here, you're going to be on the show.

General manager Debbie Hamlet joined her on the show.

Did you know about that?

It must be the, you'll be live and in person as we celebrate the

kickoff to season three, John McGurrin's main streets home for the holidays.

John M.E.

Fink and Main Street producer.

Lois Mauer, Mauer, Mauer will join Milwaukee PBS General manager,

Debbie Hamlet is we share season three's itinerary preview of some of the location

episodes.

Yeah.

The premiere on January 3rd.

Yeah.

Did you know you part of it?

Well, yeah, yeah.

But that's a live event.

I just want to make sure you.

Yeah.

Yes.

I'm I calendar.

You threw me there for a minute, thinking I was on TV for something.

I want to fill you in on this.

You know, you got to be there.

And when is that coming up?

That's January 3rd.

January 3rd.

Yeah.

Okay.

So you can go online.

Find out when it is.

Get your tickets.

Enjoy Christmas specials for kids beginning December 22nd at 5 p.m. on the

walkies PBS channels and broke include super wide towards the night before Christmas,

which wasn't the first name of that.

It was a visit from St. Nicholas late years later, they changed it towards the night

before Christmas.

They changed it to Rosie's Christmas in Mexico.

Look at this.

Wild crats a creature Christmas and then some stuff I can't pronounce.

They have a gingerbread house Christmas tree trouble.

This is nice.

This is for children and it starts at 5 p.m. on December 22nd on Channel 10.

All kinds of good stuff.

I don't know.

I don't know.

I don't know.

I don't know.

I don't know.

I don't know.

I don't know.

I don't know.

I don't know.

That's right.

Hey.

You don't have any non feel good shows and I think I mean sure either.

We've got news news hour.

Yeah, but you don't have that was murder shows like 2020 PBS.

We don't have the murder shows like date line know.

No, that's a date line thing.

Yeah, and I mentioned the show and I just have this stumble upon it by going through

the Channel Guide icons of America and I loved it.

And I lived in Georgia.

I worked at WSB radio down there for several years and Stone Mountain Park.

I didn't realize how close I was to it.

I got there on around the 4th of July when I moved down to Georgia and I turned on TV

and the clan is holding their rally at Stone Mountain Park is a good thing.

We don't live anything here.

They're doing a clan and this is back in the 70s.

And it turns out it was just about 20 minutes, 25 minutes from where I lived and an icons

of America.

And it was close to us on that show either the whole thing about people are upset because

Stone Mountain Park celebrates the Confederacy.

And they don't like the clan having their 4th of July rally.

The guy who owns Stone Mountain Park gave it to the state of Georgia as a gift with one

proviso.

The clan can have their rally.

They run the 4th of July and burn their cross on the top of Stone Mountain every 4th

of July.

Was that still going on?

Not certainly not.

Well, it still celebrates the Confederacy down there on the on Stone Mountain Park.

Because the guy, Goodson Borglum, who did Mount Rushmore also carved the Decarving on

the front of Stone Mountain and his three Confederate heroes on there.

I've seen that.

And people are upset.

Now they weren't upset about it in the 70s when I was there.

They're upset about it now because times have changed.

So this whole show, icons in America, spent whatever an hour or so on the Stone Mountain.

I was fascinated by how it changed since I was there because we used to bring everybody

there.

You go to the top of the mountain.

You do everything.

There are people that want to put in there.

They want that carving removed and state of Georgia's fighting it.

But there are several groups that are not going to understand it.

I mean, I understand.

But wow, who knew that was going on?

Then he did one on Fenway Park.

No, I've been to Fenway.

I didn't see a game there, but I was involved.

I looked at Fenway Park.

The history of it is amazing.

Things you don't know behind the scenes.

He took you behind the scenes at Fenway.

He did, he did the Statue of Liberty, but he did, I went to the Statue of Liberty when

you could go up to the crown, up to the torch.

You know, I grew up in New York.

I've born in New York.

Did you go the top thing to the torch?

Did you go to the torch?

I've never been to the Statue of Liberty.

Shame on you.

I've seen it a million times.

I passed it.

You know, I was driving around the lower Manhattan.

You could see it sitting right.

It's not that big.

It looks big on TV.

You got to do that.

It's really interesting.

I never went there.

That's for you.

I went to the Empire State Building when I took my daughter there once, but it's funny

when you live there.

You just don't do those things.

Yeah.

You know, you know, you know, you're a tourist.

Yeah.

Those tourists, maybe you could tell them a mile away.

That's for them.

I am so sorry I never went to the Statue of Liberty.

Yeah.

You could still do it.

My mother went to Ellis Island when she was in her 70s.

And she grew up living her whole life in the Bronx before she married my dad.

And how did you not go to Ellis?

She said, never, never occurred to me.

You go visit these places before.

And then as an adult, she went to all these places.

She went to the Statue of Liberty from Ellis Island.

But she did all these places when she was in her 70s.

I can't believe I didn't enjoy this as a kid.

Yeah.

You got to do that while you're in the, in where you're living, you know, go place.

Where do the places here that you haven't been and you think you should?

Let me tell you something.

I can't take a break, but I'll tell you the story about Rod Lancer.

You ever hear, you know, who Rod Lancer was?

My name sounds familiar.

He passed away.

But Rod Lancer was the City Milwaukee Comptroller and started Summer Fest.

Oh, there you go.

He was one of the guys who put Summer Fest together with first one.

And he wanted to do a tour of Milwaukee.

As he said, the worst tourists are people who live here.

They don't know anything about their cities.

So my parents were in town.

He said, I wanted to do a test run with your parents who have never been to Milwaukee before.

And we're going to take them on a tour and they're going to tell me if this was worth it.

And if it was worth it, I'm going to do this professionally.

Give tours and set up a tour with everything.

He never got around to setting it up at the tourist spectacular.

And I'll tell you where he took us.

Some of the places in Milwaukee probably never been before.

OK, I can't wait.

This is something that's going to shock us some of them right under your nose.

All right, man, we've never been there.

All right, 749 at WRJN, Debbie Hamlet is here.

General manager of Milwaukee PBS.

We're talking everything.

Milwaukee PBS.

That's all coming up.

Stay right where you are.

What happened with that super high speed?

I don't know what that CD play is.

Nobody's using it anywhere.

I'm using him though.

All right, we're coming up to WRJ and stay right where you are.

I don't move.

I'm dreaming of a wild Christmas.

Just like the ones I used to know.

Where the tree tops lessons and children lessons to hear slay bells in the snow.

I'm dreaming of a wild Christmas.

Where every Christmas card I write.

May your days be merry and bright.

And may all your Christmas be white.

I'm dreaming of a white Christmas.

Just like the ones I used to know.

Where the tree tops lessons and children lessons to hear slay bells in the snow.

I'm dreaming of a white Christmas.

Where every Christmas card I write.

I was just trading trivia here with Debbie Hamlet from General manager of PBS.

You're going to talk about the white Christmas card.

I did already.

I had nauseam.

People know that.

Every time I played, I say it.

I was going to tell you about.

We were talking about people touring Milwaukee.

And people who live here probably they're worth even a recene.

They're probably the worst tourists and they don't know anything about their town.

So Rod Lancer, who was the founder of Summer Fest.

He started Summer Fest.

He's also the comptroller for the city of Milwaukee.

He wanted to start a tour.

And my parents were coming in from New York to visit.

And he said, I'm going to give them a tour.

And if they're really astounded by it, I'll make it a commercial venture.

So he took us all over.

He took us to a bar in Milwaukee that has two lane bowling alley in the basement.

That whenever the PBA tour comes through the professional bowling association tour,

the biggest stars have to bowl at that lane.

It's like it's a ride to pass.

You must do a line of bowling at that.

It's a little tiny alley at the bottom of the bar.

I figure where the bar is.

He took us there.

The most astounding place he took us to is on Lafayette Place.

You know what that is?

On the east side?

Okay.

There's an old Gothic mansion there.

We pull up inside.

And he said, back around the early 1900s, about 1900, it was turn of the century.

I see turn of the century now.

People think 2000, but it was 1900.