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and welcome to the Dom Salvia show happy Friday to us all we made it baby could join us be a big part as always 8 5 5 7 5 2 4 8 4 2 8 5 5 7 5 Civic got just PS working on the board on the phones for you spitting all the hits and jazzed as hell it's Friday so my co-host for the day James Santel former US Attorney

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Jim, I know we have lots of legal things to get to.

We do.

But

on

days like today, we've

got to

start out with the closing bell.

Let's put it that way.

And it was a bloodbath out there today.

Not a good thing going on.

And I think like even like JPMorgan, one of the big banks came out with a report and they like labeled it bloodbath.

I mean, this is the

reference

to the big banks

are

using.

Great.

Market watch is reporting.

US stocks have had a rough go of it since President Donald Trump was sworn into office for a second term in January.

Oh, do tell.

They did the math.

So I don't have to do math on the radio.

Since January 17th, the Friday before Inauguration Day, the U.S.

stock market has seen $9.6 trillion in value erased, according to data from FACSET and Dow Jones market data.

Of those losses, of the $9.6 trillion since Trump's inauguration, $5 trillion have been erased in just over the past two days.

The largest two-day loss on record.

Breakin' records, yo, makin' America great again.

Breakin' records.

And do you think at some point after, again, the first 24 hours, now 48 hours, someone inside the White House says, again, bloodbath, it is bleeding, it is hemorrhaging, we can also, all the blood terms here, maybe we need to do something to remedy this because it's not getting any, it's getting worse.

Raises once again the question that you and Jess and I have asked repeatedly.

Who is standing around the president?

Is there anybody?

Is there any adult in the room here who is saying, we need somehow to remedy this?

Maybe we've got to swallow.

I realize this is ridiculous when

it comes to Donald Trump.

Swallow

our pride and say, you know what?

That crazy chart where we're not only imposing tariffs upon islands that have penguins on them and nothing else.

All of that.

Let's suspend that and let's restore.

Let's do this.

I've promised people that we're still going to do it if we want to do it, but we're going to do it in a methodical way.

We need desperately to stop this and we can't open on Monday morning.

We cannot open on Monday morning and do more of this.

We just can't, Mr. President.

Is

somebody saying that to him?

No, that's the problem that in this administration.

Trump, unfortunately, learned some lessons from the first time around that if he put those responsible adults in his cabinet, if he surrounded them, if he allowed them to share their expertise, they would tell him no.

They would tell him things that he didn't want to hear.

So he made very, very sure that this go around.

There was no one like that in the room.

Look, people, those penguins.

Terrible people terrible nasty right nasty

enemy of the people

those those penguins nasty penguins

No, there's no adults in the room, man.

Congress, no, technically Congress, if I, I'm no lawyer, Jim, but I'm terrifying like a tax, and tax seems like me, like the purview of Congress, and there are some Republicans who are apparently getting a little, little concerned, but is it too late?

It is not basic fundamental notion.

The Congress is where, what, where the budget comes from, right?

James Madison said that all the budget bills, they start in the House of Representatives, they're the ones that are representing the people, right?

They

put this

together, it goes over to the Senate.

They go back and forth, they've got some reconciliation, ultimately goes to the president to sign this whole process there, but it begins on Capitol Hill.

And yes, indeed, while the president does have an awful lot of responsibility when it comes to international matters and foreign affairs, you look at section, at Article I, and all the sections of Article I, there's a huge amount of responsibility vested in the House of Representatives and the Senate to do foreign affairs, including things.

relate to finances.

And so the Congress wants to introduce, if Mike Johnson decides, well, again, this isn't going to happen, right?

But hypothetical, that's not going to happen.

Number two, that they need to do something and they should.

They should.

And they get together and they say, we need to usurp this field.

And frankly, past legislation, maybe Donald Trump won't sign up.

We've got to do something to send a message to the American people at a minimum.

We're having no part of this.

And maybe just

maybe that'll give the president if he does decide if he gets some some modicum

amount of

honor and decency sign something the point is yes the Congress once again should be acting and they're not they're not

not one bit.

Wall Street Journal reporting 2200 point drop in Dow ends brutal week for stocks blue chips enter

correction as NASDAQ SMP plunged nearly 6% as the Wall Street Journal puts it, more than six trillion erased from the market in two days.

And according to market watch, that's a record.

Congratulations.

Trump administration didn't think you had it in you.

and do not mean to turn this all into legal or court issues, but the impacts upon this, we can draw lines from this to so many things

in

America, including its impact upon, yes indeed, pending litigation, court claims, all kinds of things, not just bankruptcy court, but if you think about it, we'll talk a little bit, I think about the opportunity to remedy things through money in just a minute,

another

story is

coming

up, but the implications are not just financial.

they are across the board and they affect human beings, they affect

families in America, it may

not have

hit you quite yet, but it may well by next week at this time by Monday and Tuesday, you may find that your own financial status has been compromised.

Well, I mean, it certainly has.

And again, and talk to early yesterday, you know, not everyone's in the market, you know, certainly we can, we can appreciate that.

And, uh, and those folks maybe won't feel the pain until like, you know, it hits, it hits the stores,

you know, and it

hits a Walmart and all of a sudden those goods that you're going to these places to buy less expensive goods become

more expensive because this is by purpose.

This is what Trump wants.

He wants to end these things.

And so there's a repercussion for that.

But there's no question the value is going down.

Now, do we go another 5% Monday, 5% Tuesday?

We'll see.

And this is above and beyond a pretty good jobs record for the last month.

Blowing way past expectations.

And normally, I think we're far enough in.

Yeah, those are the jobs now.

This is Trump's economy.

Those are his job numbers.

And those were good numbers.

And still, given

that great news on jobs, the market still did what it did today.

And this may also be an opportunity for the American public.

Well, similarly to wake up and say, you know what?

All these statements about how Donald Trump inherited this absolutely positively disastrous economy from

Joe Biden.

Yeah, come on.

Can we now say, no, no, this is a disastrous economy.

This is what that looks like.

And let's just give you some basic statistics about what Joe Biden's economy looked like.

Let's compare them four months later.

You'll see a huge difference.

Well, what we see now is almost a $10 trillion reduction in.

the markets since Donald Trump's inauguration, Beijing, China, responding.

Also the Wall Street Journal, they would hit all US goods with an additional 34% tariff starting Thursday, matching the level, the White House latest tariffs on Chinese import.

So now the tit for tat starts.

Here we go.

And, and, and again, what, what, what's going to be impacted the most and certainly our agriculture, you know, they use a lot of soybeans over there.

We make a lot of those here.

What happened last time?

Well, Donald Trump just opened up the spicket from some new deal era.

and it was able to just fork over.

What 30 almost 30 billion dollars to the farmers because of his last trade war so you know We're gonna be in the situation where our exports are gonna be dinged they're gonna go down GDP is gonna what maybe get flat maybe start going into Recession prices are gonna go up interest rates are gonna stay the same at least they are right now There's another issue we have going on that sounds a whole lot like steak flation to me and that's never ever ever good Jim Santel it is it

is certainly not and We've also seen this before the other the two other major times when we had dramatic

tariffs in the country.

What happened afterwards?

Gee, I think that's the thing called depression,

right?

Exactly.

Come on, but I mean, Trump was out there like literally anti-history-ing.

He was saying, no, this is what fixed it

all with

the

tariffs.

Just the opposite, Mr. Trump.

Just the opposite.

And we've seen this again, separated by about 100 years or so.

When we try to do this on this macro scale, it has been disastrous for the economy.

Again, I recognize our Treasury Secretary is bought into this hook line and sinker

as well.

Headlines are saying he might be hitting the exits.

Is that right?

Okay, all right.

He was still, as of two days ago, he was still sort of announcing the Trump agenda here, but you had to believe that he too privately was thinking, ooh, this is not good.

Not surprised if indeed he's thinking, I need to get out of here now.

Again, he is an intelligent person.

Why is it that you can't...

compromise your soul, your integrity to advance this kind of thing.

Maybe now as you're telling me down that, that T's recognize this is a ship I've got to get off of a little bit late, a little bit late, right?

Where have you been?

Where have you been?

Uh, the raw story reporting, uh, I guess on this that, um, let's see.

So Stephanie rule was on MSNBC.

She says that, uh, her sources say that Scott a percent is a kind of an odd man out here.

The inner circle of Trump has now been close.

No one, he's not even close to Scott Besant or listening to him, she told Scarborough.

Some have said to me he's looking for an exit door to try to get himself to the Fed because in the last few days he's really hurting his own credibility in the history of the markets.

I mean, who would want to be that guy?

But he took the job, man.

I

mean,

he had to know what was coming up.

What do you think he's going to do?

Trump's going to, he's been talking to tariffs.

This is what he wanted to do.

And congratulations, everybody.

This is what you got.

And it's not making prices, those price of eggs, that's not going down.

That's not going to make it go down.

Things are going to go

up.

A person, again, confirmed by the United States Senate.

And during the course of that, talk about articulating the Trump vision economically.

Even when you watched him, you had to think,

really, do you

think you've been successful here on Wall Street?

Do you really believe that?

Is that how it works?

Is that how you made your money, man?

I don't think so.

Please

don't

teach any economics courses in

any

major academic institution in this country because you're going to provide an awful lot of very bad historical information and present macroeconomic and microeconomic information.

He knows better.

He knows better.

Well, the guy in eastern, Donald Trump continues to...

attempt to rewrite history in all sorts of ways.

And this is the most recent way.

And, and to tell you what, if you're a Megan, you don't know anybody listening to Donald Trump, you don't think, oh, yeah, that's great.

That sounds right.

That sounds right.

We'll take some all of a sudden, they're all like, well, we'll take higher prices as long as we what

Make sure the gays can't get married.

Right.

Just wait for a little while.

It's gonna be a little bit tough for a while, but we'll come out of this.

Two weeks, two weeks.

Yeah, we're coming out with an ACA replacement in two weeks.

And then good prices on eggs.

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is working hard on the phones and on the board.

We have a guest coming up next segment, Ajak Johnson, a representative for Hands Off.

Now, often we've seen there's a protest being planned

all over the country and people were sending me stuff.

I'm like, what is this all about?

So I dug a little bit, reached out kind of some back and forth and we're going to have a representative from the organization talking to us, tell us what it's all about, where you can go and all that.

So stick around for that for the next segment.

Right now, talking about the calamity that is happening to the market.

I mean, Donald Trump was so concerned, he went golfing.

So it's totally fine.

And he's going golfing, I think, and specifically, the Saudis paying him for the golf thing he's doing.

And why wouldn't they?

Why should we

expect anything other than that?

You know, the whole golfing issue too, for every president, it can be a true red herring in a time like this.

You just don't want to be out there, right?

And it's not to say that every human being including the president of the United States of America has an opportunity to be with family, enjoy things recreationally.

Every president has done that.

They most often have a dog, those kinds

of things.

This president does not.

But in a time of crisis and this is crisis.

He created the crisis.

So it's not really a crisis for him, more of a crisis for you.

You know what I mean?

Absolutely.

And

that image of him swinging the golf club in that athletic forum that he is in is one that, again, I would like to think that at least his publicity people are not crazy about right

now.

He is his publicity people.

He doesn't give a damn.

And literally some of the reporting people are saying he doesn't care.

I mean, old rich guy doesn't care.

Doesn't care.

And it's not great to have someone in that position of power who doesn't care.

Right.

We anticipate at

least that a president has compassion, right?

And that we elect people that we'd like to think, yeah, we have partisan views, political perspectives on things, but care about human beings.

That's number one.

We tend, with some notable exceptions, to elect people who are nice people that we maybe want to, maybe not be politically aligned with, but we'd like to have dinner with them.

have a beer with them, but

capable people.

The personalities are different, backgrounds are different, all those things, but capable is someone I'm looking for in these kind of positions.

A basic level of competence, a basic understanding about how government works.

I am still convinced that the president has never really appreciated

anything related to he gets this idea that yes there's that big white domed building up there on the hill and there's some folks at a castle like looking building beyond the parking lot there and they seem to say some things from time to time and I can I can put people there who say things that will be will be supportive of me but in terms of the actual management of things it's just stunning that we've got a president who himself is not competent and has not bothered has not bothered in again ten years now to understand the

basics of how

government.

Well, there's no general curiosity, because I got like that, thinks he knows it all.

He's already got it all figured out.

And it's everybody else who's woken and trying to get on board with his, you know, philosophies, eight, five, five, seven, five, two, four, eight, four, two, get to it.

Mark, from the sack, you're up.

Welcome.

What do you got for us?

Yeah, well, it's gonna be missing you, Dom.

Thanks,

man.

The one thing I'm, I'm, I'm the thought that I had if Trump wants to avoid complete humiliation here.

he only simulated himself grandly here.

He could give Congress, he could make a few calls and give some Congress people on the House side permission to overturn, to seize control of the tariff powers.

And Congress could take their responsibility as they're supposed to be responsible for

the tariff policy.

And then there would be out of Trump's hands.

I mean, Trump is not going to do that and he's going to crash the economy and not even in a still Biden's fault or Barack Obama's fault or

It's

the tan suit, Mark.

It was always, it's all been downhill ever since the tan suit.

Thanks for the comment.

I always appreciate you listening to this fine program.

Appreciate you, Mark.

The, the president is going to crash this economy if this continues on this way.

I mean, come on, you can't, you cannot sustain this.

This is not, this isn't, there's no upside to this.

If this goes on, you know, next week, we're going to see some, some, some real bad things at some point below Congress, perhaps if their constituents get riled up enough, you know, we, again, we have these hands off rallies going on around the country.

People are fired up.

Well, this isn't helping this administration's cause this short term pain sooner or later, folks can get really riled up and they're going to continue to

Pound on the doors of the Republican representatives and those folks are gonna have to make a decision Are they're going to stay loyal?

To Donald Trump or they're gonna actually serve the will of their constituents because I'm pretty sure those constituents didn't sign up for even if you voted for Trump This is wasn't what your expectation now.

Maybe you should have seen a comment I hate to tell you we told you so because telling you we told you so doesn't do any good But you should know that we did tell you so exactly

and we've had these wonderful protests here in Wisconsin around the nation and a lot of that's been focused on these this flurry that's

understanding it dramatically, of executive orders, everything from social security and shutting down USAID and domestic funding

and

citizenship, access for Musk to get into the Social

Security

Treasury Department.

Again, we can go on and on.

And all of those things are legitimate and they're a good basis to get out there and scream at the top of your lungs.

Now we have this additional overlay for tomorrow around the nation to say, in addition to trying to change government, to crash government in every way to shut down offices.

and to stop the basic functioning that's supposed to support people in America now we're affirmatively kicking them, not just in the shin, but frankly undermining their very ability to exist economically.

And that's when, to the extent that people always said, you know, sorry, it's about the economy, stupid, right?

That's the mantra that's been out there.

If people were voting for their...

paycheck there.

There are dollar dollars in the past, which is what the some of the pundits say.

Here it is.

Here it is.

How did that work out for you?

Right?

And it's not just a matter of I told you so, which is a significant

reason for being out there.

But also, what do we do now?

What do we do

now?

What is what is what is the next every day is a new opportunity, Jim?

Right?

Tomorrow, hands off rallies taking place in more than 1000 cities across all 50 states nearly 400,000 people have signed up to attend them.

Ajax Johnson from hands off rally going to

Join us next to Karam.

And welcome back to the Dom salvia show eight five five seven five two four eight four two James Santel former U.S.

Attorney joining me today until six o'clock just ps always on the board as mentioned prior to the break hands-off rallies taking place more than 1000 cities across 50 states nearly 400,000 people have signed up to attend them and we have a representative and organizer from

Hands off Ajek Johnson.

You are a welcome to the doubles that to the top sell yourself.

Hey Ajek welcome.

Thank you for joining us.

How you feeling today?

You know, I'm feeling a lot of excitement.

I'm

feeling a

lot of excitement, you know, we're really going through a lot and time goes on and a lot of people been going through a lot for a lot of time.

But, you know, I'm really excited to see Wisconsin gather tomorrow and Wisconsin use its voice and Wisconsin get together and I want to see Wisconsin stand up.

So, you know, I kind of feel, you know, like right before you eat a meal that you're really excited about, just that energy kind of courses through you.

That's how I'm feeling today.

I've been, as I mentioned on air here, I've been getting hit up from different folks, family and friends about, you know, this, this, these organizing and these protests coming up.

And so I started kind of poking around the internet was trying to find like, who is this and where are these people?

So now that we got you here, Jack, what, what, what started this protest?

What's the organization all about?

And where did it come from?

And what are we trying to

accomplish?

I'll tell you that there's a lot of different organizations that have stepped up to the front of this.

And more than a bunch of different organizations, there's a lot of different people who've stepped up to the front of this,

right?

Just everyday people who found out maybe they were driving on their way home from work and saw people on the side of the street and they wanted to stand up and step up.

So I'm one of them.

I'm one of the people.

I do my organizing with 50501.

It started on the internet.

One day someone said, let's all have a bunch of protests.

And it's continued on since.

So a lot of people are gathering.

And I'll tell you what, every, like you've been saying, they're all over the United States, but they're also across the world.

People have been pouring out in Canada and over in Europe.

And even there were a couple down in Turkey that

came out and really stood up.

And every demonstration is so unique because every location is so unique.

What I can tell you about Madison is there's a lot of people, some of us are from five year five zero one, some of us are from different individual groups.

There's a lot of different unions that have stepped up that are going to stand up and speak tomorrow.

And there in Madison, we really want to focus on the community building, you know, it's

I don't mean to be the voice in the corner saying negative things, but just looking at the patterns, things are going to get worse before they get better.

So if we can build our community connections and we can prepare to step up to the place and the places where the government's pulling back from it.

we can stand up for the things that are protected.

I mean, due process, human rights, human dignity, all of these programs that we've got, stand up and tell the government, hands off, we're protecting these while at the same time taking a very hands-on approach to making sure that our communities are taken care of, our children are taken care of, our neighbors are taken care of.

Hey, Jack, this is Jim Santel.

Glad to have you with Dom and me and Jess today.

It's delightful and terrific to hear about your plans for tomorrow.

You have already talked about the community aspect of this, bringing everybody together.

Even so, I suspect an awful lot of people are going to show up around the country tomorrow, around the world tomorrow.

They have their individual advocacies, right?

I'm upset about social security.

I'm upset about the fact the president has said that transgender people can't be in the military.

I'm upset about the fact that the arts are being compromised, that USAID is no longer there.

All these kinds of education.

Talk to us a little bit about the challenges of bringing together.

Again, people who are like-minded, but each of whom or maybe many of whom have independent reasons for being there and getting them.

I suspect this may not be a big task to reach across, if you will, and say that issue is my issue too, even if it doesn't affect me dramatically right now, right at this time.

Well, I'll tell you what, the metaphor that I always use is the backpack.

We're all going on the same journey and we all have different things in our backpack and we all have different reasons why we're showing up.

We've been around, this nation's been around for 250 years now, for a little bit more, a little bit less, I can't exactly remember.

But we've got a lot of things that are just in the back pocket that have not been addressed, whether

It's the ongoing war in Gaza, whether it is social security.

Social security has been a big question for a long time, over 100 years.

Education has been a really big thing.

School violence has been rising.

But we also have a lot of different marginalized communities in the United States who, no matter if it's red or whether it's blue in office, still get left behind, even in Wisconsin.

We have a huge incarcerated population.

that we've really got to step up with.

So I think that what we've really been offered here is an opportunity to all step up and say, okay, well, clearly nothing's going to get done unless we do it together.

I don't think that we've had, that there's a lot of good leaders in the state of Wisconsin.

Wisconsin comes up with a lot of good leaders and there's a lot of good leaders that are really guiding their people to come and

usually, you know, we don't got a list.

We do not have a list of things that were anti, you know, because by being pro things, by being pro democracy, by being pro human rights, by being pro competitive markets, whatever we want to be, right, pro community, by having that democracy there, all of the things that we need will come out of the woodworks or something that

We've had these events in the past and they've had hundreds of people.

They've had a very good turnout, but now we're expecting thousands in Madison, right?

And this messaging shift really to, we've got to do this together.

We've got to step up.

And right now we don't have a table where we all can speak at, you know?

So we've got to earn our voice.

And as we collect, we do that.

And I think that something that people...

either understand before they get there or learn very quickly when they get there is that the community is just so vibrant and so nice to have other people to walk with along this journey to make a better world.

And I think that it's been really easy, especially with the different organization leaders or different union leaders, to follow this message that we've been able to craft with Wisconsin's March Forward tomorrow.

Folks you're listening to the Dom Salvi show that is a Jack Johnson.

She's with an organizer with 50 51 one of the organizations participating in the hands-off rally tomorrow along with indivisible ACLU League of Women Voters Planned Parenthood Action Fund and others the Hill has a write-up on this and they declare that the protesters have three main demands and end to the billionaire takeover and rampant corruption of the Trump administration and end to cuts in federal funding to Social Security Medicare and other programs that working

people rely on, and an end to attacks on immigrants, trans people, and other communities.

Ajek, we had an election earlier this week in Wisconsin.

Justice now, soon to be Justice Susan Crawford, won over the money of Elon Musk and the billionaire influence and the rampant corruption as I would

call it when you have a guy like that offering million dollar checks to people who vote the way he thinks you should vote.

I think there was a pretty good pushback.

Crawford won by over 230,000 votes.

Do you read anything into that?

And what do you think that portends for the future, Ajax?

Well, you know, what I read into that, like, I think that there's, there was definitely a lot of money that flew in.

which is flying into that election way

more

than it should have from both sides, but especially from Elon Musk.

And we, like this message of get out of our business, get out of our business didn't work, right?

The demonstrations against this interference didn't necessarily work.

What really

turned this election out for Susan Crawford, with people coming together and saying, this is the future that we want.

These are the things that we want our court to be in line with our constitution and stand up for the law.

And a lot of different people felt very compelled to do that.

And I know it can be very overwhelming looking at election results in the way that they swing one way or another.

But I think that the big read from the election is, well, there's two big reads.

The first one is that Wisconsin's not for sale.

And I hope that the nation is listening.

And I hope that the nation is watching.

And I hope that it has its eyes on Madison tomorrow.

because what it's going to learn is that they don't have to be for sale either, right?

Florida does not have to be for sale.

Montana does not have to be for sale.

And I think that Wisconsin has done a very good job showing that example and paving that light.

Secondly, I think it shows the power of what happens when we come together and organize.

There were people who were putting in 17, 18 hour days canvassing for Susan Crawford up in Green Bay when Elon Musk tried handing out his million dollar checks.

as frivolous as that was.

There were more people outside than there were inside.

But it was that physical action.

It was blocking people from getting into that event.

It was the canvassing.

It was talking to neighbors, creating community events, doing these demonstrations that show that it takes more than your voice to take action.

And I think what two-stage elections showed us is that Wisconsin's got what it needs.

to fight for what it needs.

And if you're not a fighter, that's okay, but to build, right?

And I don't think that there's any clearer moment.

And I really hope that people are celebrating this, even if they didn't like the other elections.

And, you know, people are diverse and people will support Crawford, they will break from Crawford, whatever.

But I think what we really need to take away from this is that when we try,

We can pull it off.

And who knows where we could go from here?

There's all these funding cuts are happening.

We're going to need to support our communities.

We're going to need to support our children.

And Wisconsin on Tuesday showed that it has every capability to do it.

So now the question is no longer, if we can, it's when we will.

A. Jack Johnson from 5051, an organizer being part of the Hands Off protest going on.

across the country tomorrow.

I'm just looking at the map and folks, you can check them out online, handsoff2025.com.

You can go hit, click on the title, find an event.

It brings you to a mobilized.us map.

And it shows you, and I'm looking at the state of Wisconsin right now, Ajek.

And it's gotta be.

20, 30 different protests going on on the Southeast and Jamesville.

Of course, you mentioned Madison, the cross, the Fox Valley aerial, Claire up North, uh, uh, Ryan Lander.

I mean, it's, it's, it's all over the place.

I, I mean, it's, it's great to see.

Um, we just got a few minutes left in, in this segment age.

I want to get your thoughts for people that aren't very politically inclined.

to show up at an event like this, they're hesitant to do so.

How do you approach folks that are probably would be better off involved in letting their feelings be known and dealing with some of these challenges that we have as a society that don't really want to engage because of whatever hangups or reasons are in their head?

How do we get that engagement in your opinion, Ajek?

Well, the first thing that I'll say to those people is find me after the events done tomorrow.

I could use some non political people.

And

I mean, like, but that really is the thing, you know, Don, that really is the thing.

Because at the end of the day, we're all going to work.

We're all cooking.

We're all dropping kids off at school doing whatever we need to do.

So there are a lot of people, especially with the wages, but some people are making nowadays.

It just don't have time for politics.

And

One

of

the things that we've especially focused on in Madison is like, this is life, right?

Especially for anyone who receives federal services, anyone who works with any organization, which it's a lot of organizations, food pantries, even grocery stores that receive government contracts to do good for their community.

So if you're not politically inclined, what I would say is don't bring out a sign with a political message.

Bring out a sign that think about something that you value and put that on a sign and come step out.

Like this is a pro-democracy rally.

This is a pro-community rally.

This is a pro-equality rally, a pro-human rights rally.

You do not have to be political.

And you know, I extend, I really don't put myself on either side of the aisle.

But for the Republicans in the room who are looking at this administration for the more conservative voters, even if they voted for Trump, what I would say is if you're looking at things and you're saying this ain't right, you know, and it's okay if you don't think that the alternative would have been right either.

It's not about that.

This is not an extended common rally.

You know, this is about democracy, equality.

This is about doing better.

So regardless of who you are, regardless of who you believe,

I would say that this is family friendly, too.

You know, brings your children.

Let this be transformative for them.

Ajek Johnson, thank you so much.

Hands off rallies all across the country tomorrow.

Thousands cities across 50 states.

Find yours.

Thank you, Ajek.

Appreciate it.

Folks, come back while the second year calls 855-752-4842.

Welcome back to the Dom Salvia show, eight by five, seven, five, two, four, eight, four, two, eight, five, five, seven, five, seven.

I was forgot the number.

Thank you, Ajak

Johnson.

Ajak Johnson organizer with 50 51, part of the, one of the organizations helping to promote the big hands off rally tomorrow.

So folks, check it out.

Hands off 2025.com.

Jess will put those in the notes, please.

people want to check it out.

Hands off 2025.com and you can check out, they have a nice little, you know, tab, hit the map.

You can find a map.

A town near you and go check it out.

It's it's it's a lot a lot of people are hitting it as again as the hill is reporting in thousand cities across 50 states and only 400,000 have signed up to attend them that means it'll be more

than that so and dom it strikes me to listening to a jack that it's also an opportunity for some education right maybe the small e not books and learning in a classroom but okay i'm concerned about i've got children i'm concerned about

about their education, I heard that Donald Trump is bringing the education department down, right?

Talk with people about that, right?

Figure out what does that sound like, what does that look like, and why is that catastrophic?

You may not know all the details, but a great opportunity, and pick your topic as she was talking about, right?

And then

also,

if you don't know, I like the point, you know, bring something that's not political.

And I thought to myself, well, a scientist's love.

You're going to be mad at that?

Exactly.

You know, it's like there's

peace.

You know, something like that.

It's something you can't be mad about.

I care for America,

right?

Maybe that's too controversial.

How?

What's America?

What's America you're talking about?

I've gone too

far, right?

But that kind of thing, right, that just indicates that we are interested in being normal, natural, and being you who do have some concern about one another.

My sign is going to say normal.

You know

I'm lying.

Or competence getting back to our earlier conversation.

Don't go crazy, Jim.

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Some of you folks maybe didn't listen to the entirety of the show yesterday and you certainly should have because you missed a lot.

I'm going to remind you we're going to get to it in the next hour.

Lots of folks line it up.

This is the last broadcast of the Dom Salvia show.

Jess and I both will be moving on to other endeavors.

This adventure has come to its conclusion and we're going to take some calls and talk about that and have some fun in the next hour.

In the meantime, we'll help take some calls.

Oh, we also at some point when we get a chance.

Judge call the attorney general state of Wisconsin was was slapped down by the judge by the appeals court and by the supreme court Nobody was buying what he was selling.

I find that somewhat problematic.

We'll maybe get into that in the next hour Let's get some callers out there.

Happy Friday to us all eight five five seven five two four eight four two Ali from the north woods.

You are up.

Welcome Ali.

What do you got for us?

Well First off, I'd like to thank you and Jeff both for

your wonderful shows.

They were a big part of my day.

Oh, you're welcome.

Thank you, Ellie.

I wish you both well in your new endeavors.

Also, I would like to say that there's one of the protests in Spooner tomorrow.

In Spooner, okay.

Yep.

And although I'm not able to get out and protest,

If I could, I would be protesting the political extortion that our president has been using against universities, against their grants.

He threatened Harvard University today, and he's taken away over $500 million in grants and contracts.

to Brown University, not to mention what he's done to the university's flashing in Madison at CalClear.

So those would be the things that I would be protesting if I was healthy enough and able to get out and protest.

And Ali, as you're saying, this is no small attack upon these institutions, right?

Hundreds

of

millions of dollars as to them.

And yes,

they have

endowments and they've got big operating budgets.

But that has to come from somewhere.

And again, they rely upon that.

They have been entitled to get it by virtue of applications that they have made.

This is not a matter of the government just doling out money and having to go wherever it is you would like it to go.

It is identified for particular purposes.

And it's for what is for teaching is for education, right?

Well, kind

of education.

You

know, I heard that he took that money away from Brown University and gave it to White University.

But thank you, Ollie, for the very kind words.

And I know you'd be out there protesting.

And folks, if you are in Spooner, I looked it up because you can go to the website, handsoff2025.com.

They can click on the map button, actually the find event button.

And I did.

I clicked on the find event button and I found Spooner was

Wisconsin, the location, the intersection of highway 70 and highway 63 River Street in Spooner, Wisconsin tomorrow noon to 2pm.

They're all over the state.

They're all over the country.

And you folks are going to join us and we're going to wrap up our final hour ever of the Dom Salvia show.

Never had a Dom Salvia show without just PS.

James Santel going to be wrong for the ride as well.

Hope you folks stick around and join us.

Thank you for everything you have done.

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And welcome to the Dom Salvia show.

Thank you so much for listening You could be a part as always 8 5 5 7 5 2 4 8 4 2 8 5 5 7 5 civic if you want to be a part you better do it today this hour This will be this is the final broadcast of the Dom Salvia show I am moving on and and just what you got going on.

No, I'm also

Also doing that.

Also doing that.

Also doing that.

And joining us today, James Santel, you can listen to his fine program.

He's sticking around.

He is sticking around.

But only Saturday mornings, right?

Saturday mornings.

That was a part of the deal, right?

Absolutely.

Saturday mornings.

9 to 11 a.m.

James is the host of Amicus A Law Review.

He's a former U.S.

attorney, a really smart guy and a friend of ours, and spent a lot of fun over the years.

Man, thank you for joining us today.

It's been a great pleasure, my friend.

And, you know,

This has been like a Wisconsin goodbye.

It's been going on for

a

long, long time and the dates have finally come to us and we're going to be fine and we appreciate all the love.

I would say textures and collars and we're going to get to you all.

But I just got to say thank you to the audience.

I mean, for real.

You

know for

us to sit up here and do our thing it's and we could do this in a bar But people actually join us on the radio here to do this and and I I think we have a good time And I think we talk about things that matter and then I think we have a good time And that's how you know you have a good show so thank you couldn't do it without the audience And we're gonna get to all of you.

It's really a celebration of life.

It's a celebration of you

It's

a celebration of adventure right and

also of legacy

The show's dead.

It's dead.

Well, it will be after this.

It will live

on.

It will live on.

That's what legacy is all

about,

right?

Absolutely.

And the investment that your listeners make in this show, also, Dom, the investment you have made in them, just as well.

You're contributing, once again, to education for insight.

That is priceless.

Thank you, Jim.

There's certainly truth to that, and I think about this.

You know, when you meet someone and you hang out, you get the connection.

You know, they're always kind of there.

You're always with you, you know, and it does matter.

My parents used to chest as me as a child, hanging on the wrong crowd, you know, that kind of thing.

And now

you're

hanging

out

with a lawyer on Friday

afternoon.

Nothing

has changed apparently, right?

It's really gone downhill and hang out with a lawyer at five o'clock

on

Friday.

They'd be so disappointed with me.

But, you know, you take, you take everyone to take you, Jim, you know, I take you just our audience members, you know, people I've met over the years.

Everyone at Civic Media and the organizations and the guests and, you know, they all leave a little mark, you know what I mean?

And they're always in your head a little bit.

And that's been great for me doing the show.

over 13 years.

I can't believe I've been doing this over a third.

I've never had a job this long.

So it's a long time.

I just want to thank everyone who's been a part of the show and really been a part of my growth as well.

And there's a lot of growing to do there for real.

I mean, your New Year's resolution was to grow six inches.

So I need results.

I'm working on it.

Now that the show, I got my afternoon's free.

You can focus in.

That's right.

That's right.

I'm doing a lot of stretching.

A lot of weighted hanging apparently at the gym,

right?

And apparently that can sometimes work.

It might not be that many inches, but still.

Well, take what I

can get.

Right, right.

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We do have topics to get to, but let's get to some of our callers.

Thank you, callers for playing along.

We'll start with Holly from the Milwaukee, the MKE.

Welcome, Holly.

What do you got for us?

I just want to say I'm going to miss you.

Oh, thanks,

Holly.

I also know where to find you.

I'm just going to miss you over the radio way.

But I just want to thank you for everything.

Not only over the radio, are you a great person to talk to, listen to.

It's also out and about.

And yeah, at 13 years, I haven't been in a job that long.

I

can't wait to celebrate

with you.

We are going to celebrate.

We will do much celebrating.

Thank you, Holly.

Appreciate your very kind words.

I look forward to seeing you around the neighborhood.

You know, that's the thing about me.

You know where I'm going

to be.

There's like five or six

spots.

Pretty much guarantee I'm going to be there.

And we will celebrate.

We continue to celebrate.

Thank you, Holly.

Appreciate it.

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Jeanie from Eau Claire, you are next.

Welcome Jeanie.

Happy Friday.

What do you got for us?

I hate goodbyes.

I've been listening to you guys for years!

I know!

Really sad, you know, at 70 you just, you know, you hate to lose some of the best things in your life here, so...

I hope someday you'll be back, but I got all those wonderful memories.

You are wonderful, and I hope you have a wonderful life, and you get to do all the things you ever wanted to.

So thank you, Dom, from the bottom of my heart, and Jess, you're outstanding too, just outstanding.

So guys, just keep it up, and remember tomorrow at nine o'clock, please do not miss one of the...

and I better hang up now before I start crying.

Oh,

Jeannie.

So much.

Jeannie's been a great listener, a great caller for, for many, many years.

Appreciate you, Jeannie.

Very nice to hear your voice.

Once again, eight, five, five, seven, five, two, four, eight, four, two, eight, five, five, seven, five.

Civic, let's keep going down the line.

Who is next?

Looks like Cam from Appleton, my old stopping grounds.

Hey, Cam, welcome.

What do you got for us?

Hey guys, um, I started listening to The Devil's Advocate.

It was one of the first shows that I started listening to and it was because you guys had some pretty nice voices and I needed some new music to Spotify shuffle.

Man, that thing sucks.

Over the years, I've listened, over the years, I've listened to you guys and then it's just like the rest of Civic.

It's like, okay, Nate's gone.

Matt Flynn's gone.

Uh, crew's gone.

Uh, Anna's gone.

It's just, it just kept going and going.

And it's like, you know what?

Dang guys, like, it's like playing whack-a-mole.

Like, now I have to find a new show.

I have to find new people to listen to.

But like, otherwise, you know, I, I appreciate the work that you guys put into it.

I.

Loved calling in and talking to you guys and listening

each day.

And texting.

Cam.

Sending us the most normal memes.

No, Cam.

Certainly.

Yeah, man.

Cam will light up the text.

Like, Cam, thank you so much.

I certainly appreciate it.

And listen, this isn't a personal thing with me and Civic or any of that.

I mean, this is just how it is.

This is just a business.

You can't agree on terms and things.

just move on.

That's, and that's fine.

That happens all the time.

We're all adults about it.

I mean, this is, like I said, this has been going on.

This is like the longest Wisconsin goodbye.

And they didn't pull the mic out of me.

You know, I just read the news.

Some, some cat guy let go from TMJ cameras on, uh, boom, done.

This is it.

And over the last couple of weeks, I've seen some folks, some local radio stations, you know, that happens.

It's a, you know, it's unfortunate, but I mean, it goes on and that's what's happening here.

But they didn't pull a mic from me.

They allowed me to just come out here and do the thing because that's what we do because I'm cool.

They're cool.

And we have come on the whole point of civic media and I got to give cruddy a lot of a lot of props for this man.

It was his vision to break carve this thing out of nothing.

Man, I was just talking some smack with my buddy.

That was, it was all about.

And so all of a sudden, all these years later, you see this thing evolve.

And so whether or not it came to this point, you know, people come and go, that, that's going to happen.

That always happens.

Uh, I mean, come on, 13 years doing this.

That's a long time.

As Holly says, she hadn't had a job that long.

And I certainly haven't, like maybe at six years beyond this, and I was part owner of that thing.

So it is, it is, it is special in that regard, but the mission is still there.

The point is still there.

some good conversations and some educations having some fun.

We got some great hosts on this network and I hope everyone still continues to tune in and listen and be a part.

I know I will.

And Dom, I wanted to

follow up on something Cam also mentioned and this is going to be serious when several things are probably coming out.

You talked about work and I have known you.

We'll talk more about that maybe in a few minutes for a great number of years.

You and Crudi were the ones who invited me in way back at the time on Brady Street and from the very beginning.

I came to recognize the amount of work that you put into this.

I suspect all your listeners appreciate the fact that Jess and you do not simply show up every afternoon and open up the newspaper or pull up an article or two and then begin to think about what we want to say about those things, pontificate without any preparation.

Your listeners know this.

I simply wanted to reaffirm the amount of industry that you have brought to this.

It shows it is reflected in the intelligent nature.

Yes, the humorous nature as well.

Those things can go together very, very well.

You have invested in this entity.

You will continue to do that as will Jess and all the things you do and acknowledgement and appreciation for the amount of time and effort you have put into this before, during and after these broadcasts.

Oh, thank you, Jim.

That's very kind.

And it is a lot.

It is.

It's kind of a lot.

It's a lot.

It is a lot.

And if you do the show, if you have the opportunity, because not everyone does.

And people can do podcasts, and that's fine.

But you know what?

When you radio, that goes off to the universe, man.

The aliens are going to eventually

hear this

someday.

But it's kind of all-encompassing.

I wake up, and I'm thinking about it.

And you see the news, or you get an alert or a notification.

And it's always on your mind.

It's always in your head.

There's a text

from Jim Santel.

Someone sending a link to a New York Times article.

No, but that's part of it, because it's not just a job, it's a lifestyle, it's a thing.

And part of that is certainly, of course, the engagement with one of my friends and my co-workers and the audience as well.

And that's going to be the part.

I mean, I'm not going to miss getting up.

There's going to be new habits for me, you know?

And I'm going to have to fill that time, hopefully, productively.

I'm going to spend more time with family.

Oh my

god, I was loving the Roman coin.

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Thank you, Jim.

Very kind words.

Let's get to it.

LA Tom, you're next.

Welcome, Tom.

What do you got for us?

Hey, we've been through a lot together.

Oh, yeah.

Oh, yeah.

Very, very sad to see this show ending.

And I'm even more sad that I don't think anybody knows how to kick CJ's ass the way you did.

And that's going to be something that's going to be hard to duplicate whoever's taking the spot.

You know, that's what it is, but I would like to say that we, the people ultimately are the government and we must never forget that.

And Jeff, you have been awesome as well.

And just also, I'm actually gotten a little fired up about this whole issue with you guys going and I am going to be starting my own organization.

It's not going to be a for-profit.

And it's not going to be a non-profit or for-profit.

It's going to be a labor of love, which is going to be getmoneyout.net.

And basically what I'm going to be doing is anybody out there in the listening audience that wants to get a hold of me, that knows a little bit more about websites and all that kind of stuff.

I know Cam does.

But we need to get money out of politics.

It's the biggest problem.

We need to restore government back to we the people.

Tom always on point always on message.

Thank you, buddy.

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I have spent the past two week working my tail

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He's joining us for the day.

Jim, thanks for sticking around and joining with, you know, I gotta, I gotta tell you when,

whole thing came down on, on the radio show thing and, and you know, the whole crew thing blew up.

That was like Labor Day of last year after the DNC and had some bad broadcast.

Wasn't happy with that whole scene.

So, you know, Civic and I continue to just make a deal, just go forward as this and we'll figure it out.

Like, all right.

Like, Hey, what about, you know, I haven't like, you know, a cascade of

Co-hosts.

I'm like, well, that's a terrible idea.

You know, I was like, come on, man.

I could pull two hours.

But it has been so much fun.

I'm so glad.

I'm so glad I didn't, like, poo poo that whole thing.

And at first I was like, you know how I get just my idea?

What's my first answer and everything?

No.

No.

I'm always a no.

I'm always

a no.

We've never done that before,

right?

Let's not try something new.

But in fact, you did.

And it works.

And it's so much fun.

And randomly too, like Harvey K,

our

buddy from Green Bay, a professor, Miss Emeritus of Democracy.

And Justice Studies.

And

Justice Studies.

All of a sudden, it kind of became a regular kind of Monday thing.

And

that's been a lot of fun.

Of course, I did with Maggie Dawn.

We did some overtime.

And in case you had missed it, we kind of go on each other's shows.

And on Wednesdays, Matt Rothschild will come around, man.

And then Earl on Thursdays and Jim on Fridays.

And these schedules kind of came and went and changed, depending on people.

it's kind of been that thing, and it has been an absolute blast to be able to do this, not what Jeff was just, but with all my friends.

You're all my friends, and we were friends before this, we're gonna be friends after this, and that is one of the most joyous things about the job that I will miss the most.

And it makes for good conversation that does have content to it, right?

And it's a familiarity, right, that also promotes exactly that.

The listeners, as you said before, they bring a huge amount

to this, that conversation also.

And even if the insights and perspectives that they bring to the conversation aren't always yours, ours, mine, that's a good thing too.

And that affirms the power of speech and what radio should be all about.

Well, and it fires up some of the other callers.

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We got a break.

We'll get into some news, but let's do a little some audience love.

We love you, Lindsay from Bayside.

You are next.

Welcome, Lindsay.

What do you got for us?

Hi, Dom.

Steph told me I needed to call.

You guys are going to cancel the baby shower tomorrow.

Well done.

Well

done.