Character Counts (Hour 1)

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Well, it has come through and super jazz is held to introduce to you Wisconsin's Supreme Court candidate circa Dane County circuit court judge Susan Crawford judge Crawford.

Welcome to the Dom Salvia show

Do we have the judge?

There we go.

All right.

It is great to be here.

Thank you so much.

All right.

Thank you so much.

Glad you can join us.

A judge before we get into it, you know, we're five days out.

How you feeling right now?

We are feeling great, feeling really strong and Chris crossing the state, talking to as many voters.

as we can just fighting for every last vote as we lead up to the election

day.

Judge Susan Crawford joining me today.

I want to get spent a minute or two if we could please on your on your bio on your background.

My understanding you grew up in Chippewa Falls.

Is that correct?

That is true.

Yes.

Excellent.

Go ahead.

Proud graduate of Chi High.

High school there, triple falls high school, one of four kids.

It was a great place to grow up.

And you stayed in Wisconsin your college career, getting an English degree from Lawrence University in Appleton.

My brother got an English degree from Lawrence University in Appleton.

What made you stick around for your undergraduate, Susan?

Well, you know, I was paying my own way in college dom and I had to watch the dollars and cents and Lawrence University was really generous with scholarships and gave me a great financial aid package.

So that was a but I got a great education there.

It was a great place for me to go to school.

Excellent.

It was a fine institution.

Cruz the Ave.

College Avenue up there when I was a kid.

Judge Crawford joining me today.

Let's get into perhaps, of course, why you're here running for the Wisconsin Supreme Court.

Why is it that you're running judge?

What are you hoping to accomplish here?

What drives you to seek this office?

Yeah, you know Dom I've always just throughout my whole legal career look for ways that I can use my experience and my skills to protect Wisconsinites under our laws and Constitution and I've been doing that now for about six and a half years as a circuit court judge case by case family by family and this is an opportunity for me to take that really to a statewide basis to take part in decisions that will protect Wisconsinites under our laws.

You know, the, the role of the Wisconsin Supreme Court is, as I think is, is confusing to some folks.

And if we, if we allow ourselves to look at the many, many plethora of ads that are just all over the airwaves, I think people will get a, a misimpression.

What judge, do you consider the role of the Wisconsin Supreme Court here in the state of Wisconsin?

Yeah, so the Supreme Court is the final court in our state court system and that means that cases come to them after they have gone through the circuit court often after they have gone through the court of appeals and then you know lawyers for their clients can ask the Supreme Court to take up cases and they only take up cases if at least three justices on the court believe that the case raises an important issue that needs to be decided by the Supreme Court, so there's

You know, usually a lot has happened.

There might have been a trial or hearings where evidence was presented.

And by the time the case comes to the Wisconsin Supreme Court, it boils down usually to just one or two really central legal issues that the Supreme Court has to decide.

So Judge Crawford, you're not like, you're not taking testimony from witnesses.

There's no, no like, like a Matlock kind of court action going on the Wisconsin Supreme Court.

That's not how it works.

That's exactly right.

So there are no trials heard by the Wisconsin Supreme Court.

The hearings that happen in front of the Wisconsin Supreme Court are called oral arguments and their opportunities for the lawyers to present their arguments on the legal issues before the court and for the justices to ask them questions about their positions and really kind of dig into

the precedents that they're citing and the kind of finer points of interpreting the law.

Folks, you're listening to the Dom Salvia Show, our guest today, Judge Susan Crawford.

She is a Dane County circuit short court judge.

She is seeking a spot on the Wisconsin Supreme Court.

We're happy to have you with us, Judge Crawford.

What do you want people to know about you?

Why should people vote for you?

What do you want people to know about your record that would encourage them to get out and support your efforts

here?

Starting point I'd want people to know is about my judicial philosophy and that is that I believe our laws and constitution exist to protect the rights of Wisconsinites and they should be interpreted with that purpose in mind and to make sure that our rights are all.

Oh, looks like we lost Judge Crawford.

Folks are listening to the Dom Salvia show judge Susan Crawford.

Perhaps we can reconnect that at some point.

We'll make the efforts again running for Wisconsin's supreme court.

She's a Dane County circuit court judge and we've been saying it the whole time folks go vote for her.

Don't vote for the BS.

Stay away from the BS.

We have the judges back.

All right.

Welcome, Susan.

Sorry about that.

Not sure what happened there.

Welcome back to the

test.

All

right.

So anyway, Tom, you know, I hope we, I have a couple of more minutes.

Just wanted

to,

you know, I'm really working to protect the rights of Wisconsinites under a laws and constitution.

I have really broad legal experience, both working as a prosecutor, working in our court.

Courtrooms as a lawyer to fight for the rights of Wisconsinites, and now six and a half years or so on the bench as a judge.

So I have, and I've argued several cases in front of the Wisconsin Supreme Court.

So I know how things work up there.

And I want to bring all that experience as both a lawyer and a judge to the highest court to help out Wisconsin families and communities.

Judge, I've seen your statements protecting the basic rights and freedoms of Wisconsinites.

I mean, I absolutely agree with that.

How does that happen?

How do you apply that philosophy as a justice on the Wisconsin Supreme Court?

Well, the Wisconsin Supreme Court gets cases every year.

They take up cases every year that affect our fundamental rights and freedoms.

So those might be issues like the right to vote or our fair elections or women's reproductive health care rights.

So that has certainly been a

an issue that is occupying the Wisconsin Supreme Court's time this very term.

There are two cases pending before the Supreme Court that'll decide whether women have the right to make their own health care decisions during pregnancy.

And you can foresee in the future that the Supreme Court will take up cases.

This is just based on past experience, but they will take up cases that involve

community safety, public safety issues, things like the safety of our drinking water in Wisconsin.

That's been a really hot issue in courts across the state as communities are dealing with things like PFAS contamination and issues like that.

Any number of issues that involve health and safety of Wisconsinites and our ability to

make our own decisions about our private and personal lives and, um, to, you know, exercise the freedoms that we have under the constitution.

Folks are listening to the Dom Salvia show.

That is judge Susan Crawford, candidate for Wisconsin's supreme court, uh, judge, uh, the money in the race.

And, and on this program, we talk in lament a lot about the money in politics in general, and it just keeps getting more and more to our opinion out of hand.

Uh, Wisconsin democracy campaign, estimating that perhaps this.

election cycle will blow past a hundred million dollars and we have the richest man in the world who is not a wisconsin citizen uh jumping in and funding your opponent in this race what's what's your sense on where we stand uh not only in in your race susan but certainly as as a country with with the money in our politics in our elections

yeah well you know i never expected it to get quite this out of hand um but here we are and that's because elon musk has decided

to

weighed into a state judicial race and tried to buy himself a seat on the Wisconsin Supreme Court.

So he has spent upwards of $20 million to prop up Brad Jimmel's campaign.

He's out there funding paid canvassers who are going door-to-door handing out leaflets that say things like, support the Trump agenda, put Brad Jimmel on the Supreme Court.

And that is absolutely not what the Supreme Court is for.

And there are a lot of different reasons why Elon Musk might be doing this, not the least of which is that his company Tesla filed a lawsuit against the state of Wisconsin within days of Elon Musk starting to spend millions of dollars on the race.

So he's got some financial stakes here.

I think he is making this a test case to see whether he can be successful in buying a justice on the Wisconsin Supreme Court.

And if he manages to do it, I think we'll see him doing this around the country.

Judge Crawford, you mentioned the Canvasser.

There was an article recently, a Canvasser, recorded in the suburbs of Milwaukee.

And my point to the question here, Susan, is they redacted.

They didn't put out the person's name for fear of retribution.

And we're certainly seemingly in a different environment than we were years ago.

And safety can be a concern.

Have you had any issues, personal safety threats of those kinds in the selection cycle?

Well, Tom, that is...

Something that I can't answer personally I will say more broadly that Judicial security has been a growing concern across the country and certainly a concern in Wisconsin It's something that the state court system is paying a great deal of attention to right now And we have taken precautions as a campaign.

That's about all I can say about that But there are people who are threatening our judges.

We're seeing that happening nationally

when lawsuits have been filed against some of the actions taken by the so-called DOGE that Elon Musk is running.

And Elon Musk is calling for the impeachment of judges, not even because they're ruling against him, but because they're just saying, hey, we gotta put a halt to what's going on to give the court a chance to take some evidence and figure out the lawfulness of some of these actions.

Elon Musk is saying,

get those judges off the court.

That is just un-American, and it is unconstitutional for him to be saying things like that.

But, you know, an unfortunate side effect of it is that those judges are being targeted and threatened, and, you know, Wisconsinites and Americans should not stand for that.

It's a shame we even have to talk about it and ask the question.

Judge Crawford, in the last 45 seconds, if you would please, growing up in Chippewa Falls, are you a fan of the beer?

And if so, what do you prefer, a summer shandy, a grapefruit shandy, or the Oktoberfest?

I have to reject all those choices down and say Lining Google's original.

a line is

original the

pure essence of Chippewa Falls not just line of cool judge Susan Crawford good luck judge Crawford we will be rooting for you five days out folks get to it thank you for coming around

fantastic thanks so much Dom

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And welcome back to the Dom Salvia show eight five five seven five two four eight four two eight five five seven five Civic one.

I think our most recent guest judge Susan Crawford in County Tucker court judge candidate for Wisconsin's Supreme Court five days out man.

It's coming quick.

Oh, yeah It is coming quick.

So I'm gonna vote on unvoted day on the day.

I'm gonna do the thing

sticker you get

I like the experience of voting on voting day.

My dad always gives me a hard time about it.

He's like, you don't know if you'll have time.

I'll make time, dad.

We'll make time.

We'll make time.

Well, hang on.

When COVID was around, I'm not going to vote.

I'm absentee balloted.

Well, right.

Yeah, that was a different world.

It was.

It's a blur now.

So thank you, Judge Susan Crawford.

Folks, you know how we are here because it's lots of folks are early voting.

A lot of the wild counties, Waukesha, Ozaki, Washington County, lots of up to, I believe the number I saw was a half a million.

Yeah, about 500,000

early voters.

So you could be a part of that if you choose.

Go ahead and do so.

But if you don't get it to it this week, April 1st is the day.

Don't

be an April fool.

No, that's right.

And vote for Judge Susan.

Crawford.

Come on, man.

She went to Lawrence University.

I went to Appleton Xavier.

I mean, it's the same

place every mile.

Stopping

ground.

I mean, I may have been sneaking into some of those bars when she was in school there.

I mean, I'm just saying it's entirely possible.

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Welcome, Dale.

What do you got for us?

Yeah, thanks for taking my call, Dom.

On the Supreme Court race, you know, it would be good to have a top echelon person from Wisconsin Manufacturers and Commerce on one of the shows to give their thoughts on Judge Schimmel.

There's 9,020 of us companies that are part of Wisconsin Manufacturers and Commerce.

And I would like to think, I would like to find out exactly what our group, Wisconsin

Manufacturers at Commerce, think about voting for Judge Schimmel.

Well, Dale, if you're a member of the Wisconsin Manufacturers and Commerce, what's your thought about voting for Judge Schimmel?

I guess in voting for anyone, it's fair to hear both sides.

And so it would be good if we had somebody from Wisconsin Manufacturers Commerce speak about Judge Schimmel.

Well, I appreciate that Dale.

Let me ask you something, the ads, the money in the politics, Dale.

Do you think like me that this is getting to be a little over the top?

Have you been able to even watch any broadcast television lately, cable television?

Yeah, it's, it's over, over the top.

That's for sure.

And, you know, just kind of decide here.

Well, I mean what what what matters to you Dale?

I guess that's that's what it comes down to and who and who do you believe has the character?

You know, I mean, how do you how do you you know?

How do you judge who you sit next to the bar man?

How do you judge who you work with?

How do you judge who you hang out with?

You know, I'm saying what are what are those things that are important to you?

And you try to find you know the candidate that the best matches that and that's the most basic part of it So, you know what what drives you, you know politically what are your concerns about?

locally from a from a legal perspective hell if you're an if you're a manufacturer

What are your concerns on that regard?

What do you think about guys like Elon Musk coming in and spreading that kind of money around?

Dale, I mean, you know, how do you make those determinations and what's important to you, sir?

Well, it's it's hard for me to believe that that all 9,020 of us companies that are part of the Manufacturers of Commerce all agree,

you

know where the other

right

And so that certainly isn't the case in any group of 9,020 people or entities.

Yeah, there's gonna be a break and I guess that's the point right?

What is what where has WMC come down on this?

We can do a Google search and find out see if they've actually made any public statements on that on that yadda let me ask you are you in manufacturing and has this current and Call it business climate and this under this administration have any impact on you yet Or do you think maybe it will in the future with regards to tariffs and and whatnot?

I'm scared

What are

you scared of what what's coming

coming down the line here and what has already transpired.

Yeah, Dale.

Thanks for the call.

I appreciate you chiming in and giving us your opinion.

I think there is a reason to be concerned.

We did just see yesterday, and perhaps we'll get to it today as well, that the administration down Trump is imposing 25% tariffs on automakers.

That they're bringing their cars in Ford is down almost 4% today GM is down over 7% today Tesla up just a little bit There's real there's real impact on that again There's the initial shock of the whole thing and then there's you know what eventually happens and what you know It's one thing to say what you're gonna do is something to actually do it

But Dale, yeah, man, we need people of good character, people of good business sense, people that are more concerned about us as citizens versus their own eagle or their pocketbook, man.

That's what I'm looking for.

And you can see with people how they've conducted their lives.

If you look at BS and Crawford, what's their history been?

Who did they support?

What causes did they take up?

That tells you a lot about them, man.

So if I were you...

for Susan Crawford.

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Interesting call from our guide Dale up in Wausau.

Appreciate the thoughtfulness.

If you don't know, don't know, you can be difficult and it takes a lot of time to evaluate, right?

How do you do it?

You know, my mind's changed over time, man.

So really, where are you at today and what's important to you today?

And then hopefully we can, you know, kind of step outside of ourselves and say, okay, what's important to my neighbors, my friends, my family, to our community, to our state, right?

To our country, to the world, you know, depends on how you want to look at it.

But specifically, as Dale was inquiring about Wisconsin manufacturers and commerce, apparently, Dale, a member thereof, 9,000 members, he was saying, jumped on the Google machine, found this.

Polling, released by Wisconsin manufacturers and commerce, WMC, from earlier this month.

Polling conducted March 9th and 10th, shows, quote, a 4747 split.

between former attorney general BS and our favorite judge, Susan Crawford.

5% of voters are yet undecided in the race.

So this was earlier this month, a couple of weeks ago.

Scott Manley, I know that cat.

Like many Wisconsin statewide elections, this race is very close and will come down to the wire.

This is a winnable race for either candidate right now and will simply boil down to whichever side does a better job of getting out their voters.

Yes, I agree with

you

there, Scott.

It really cannot be overstated how much is on the line.

Well, that's an interesting thought.

Okay.

Yeah.

That's the only quote we got.

Uh,

so part of the other Googling searching machine, uh, with politics, uh, found this from just a week ago, fair courts, America and WMC issues, mobilization council launched new ads targeting Crawford.

So while, uh,

What was it in Bauer?

I believe it was kind of reference.

Well, it

was on the

line.

Okay.

Well, they're, they're issues arm, they're advocacy portion of WMC lighten up judge Crawford.

For what?

Oh, the 60 years of raping a girl is face 60 years and the letter go, or, you know, whatever the, the, the, the,

one of

those ads, if you go to their website, all bunch of YouTubes, weak sentencing for violent criminals, dangerous criminals, let off easy.

Three years instead of 25 so Wisconsin manufacturers even though their memberships are 50 50 their issue advocacy arm

is

all on Against Crawford and of course when you're against Crawford you're for shimmel.

So Dale, there's your answer man 8 5 5 7 5 2 4 8 4 2 Len from Madison your next welcome one.

What do you got for us?

Hey, sir, you guys are doing great today.

Thank

you.

Yeah much like Dale

I'm having some difficulty making sense of this race.

And when we hear about Elon Musk putting money into the campaign for Schimel, what I haven't heard is the money from George Soros that's gone towards Crawford's campaign.

And my concern when I hear that is that all of the other jurisdictions around the country that have had elections of attorney generals or district attorneys in big cities like San Francisco or Los Angeles or

Whenever Soros has backed the candidate, a couple of years down the line, the electors are all having buyers remorse because of the politics, the policies that are put in place by these Soros candidates.

And I think almost universally they're getting kicked out because of the.

I would

say a couple of things.

Number one, my understanding is Soros is nowhere near the amount of money that

Musk has put in, right?

Two million versus 20 million.

So that, that's, that's, it's not even in the same.

It's still a lot of money, man.

You know, and I mean, the money in the politics of money in, in, in electing judges, it should not be like this.

It should not be a hundred million dollars.

That is outrageous.

Now that being said, um, listen, I mean, you know, Crawford worked for, uh, uh,

pro-choice organizations, right?

I mean, that's one of the things that she did in her career.

And we know, you know, Brad Schimmel worked for WMC, you know what I mean?

So I think that the, the, the lines are pretty much drawn here, Len.

And, and so I think we both agree money and pop.

Do you agree, Len, that the money in the politics that we're having right now is, is, is over the top and should not, should be addressed.

Do you agree with that statement?

Absolutely.

Absolutely.

I'm with

you on that.

So that's beside the point.

Now it comes down to the background of these judges.

Now, of course, as you know, I'm liberal these days.

So I guess that means I'm voting for that liberal justice.

But I mean, really, I'm down.

And I've been able to be a little

I'm going to say up close and personal with Brett Schimmel, but I've been doing this radio for like 13, 14 years, something like that here in the state of Wisconsin.

And I've gotten to see that cat over and over again and color me unimpressed, man.

Uh, just, and I'm not, I'm not being personal about it.

I'm just saying, no, that's not me.

And if you trust by judgment, then you can take that for what it is.

But if you're down for someone that wants to do the bidding of Elon Musk and WMC, well, then that, then that's your guy.

If you're down for someone who has a history of fighting for women's reproductive rights, which I'm down with, that doesn't mean she's gonna vote this way or that way on things, but that's her background.

That's where she came from.

And I'm more down with that, man.

I mean, Brad Schummel thinks it's totally fine.

It's 1879 law, abortion law, no exceptions for rape or incest.

What's wrong with that law, he said?

I mean, man, I mean, I'm not, I'm not a single shoe guy, but that's a deal breaker.

I mean, the guy has literally no concept of that.

And just the way he cares himself, it is demeanor in the ways he says things.

And when I've heard them over the years, uh, and, and the rape kit thing was, was an issue.

And then when people come out and they, the office, get the lie, they spin.

And it wasn't what it was, man.

I mean, those, those are just constant tells.

constant tells.

And Hagedorn is a Republican, and he worked for Scott Walker during the Act 10 thing.

He's been fairly objective.

A couple of those rulings have gone against Republicans, and they're freaking out about it.

Hell, you even have Brett Schimel saying we can't have another Hagedorn on the bench.

I mean, Hagedorn now is what, a Rhino?

I mean, we're just getting pulled so hard, Len.

It's just, it's, it's, it's overstepping its bounds and it's like they're trying to outright each other.

Uh, and, and I don't think, uh, I mean, I think the background from, from what I know of, of Judge Crawford, I'm totally down, especially when I have to compare it to the guy I know real well in BS.

Len, your thoughts.

Uh, if you had to, uh, give arguments for why Crawford or why, uh, a Schimel would be

Uh, tough on crime, which is a big thing right now.

Um, yeah, but they're not doing that man.

Hang on.

Hang on.

They're not

tough on crime.

That's why these ads are so fricking stupid, Len.

None.

And that's why when you had the conversation with Crawford in the first segment, that's why I brought it up.

I mean, these folks aren't, this is not what they're doing, man.

They're not at this point at this level.

That's not their thing.

And if I'm to believe any of the ads, Len, everybody sucks and we're all going to get raped and murdered.

And they're, and the, the, the, the perpetrators of those crimes will be let go.

if I'm to believe these ads.

So I just discount that stuff, man.

And certainly there are going to be cases and situations in everybody's career, I would imagine, that could have gone a different way or should have been something handled.

I think Crawford had a staffer that didn't file some paperwork on time.

Yeah, okay, that falls under her preview under that umbrella.

Okay, fine.

But this isn't what's happening.

Right now at this level on this court, that's not what they're dealing with.

So now it comes down to, you know, what is your, how do you interpret the Constitution?

What do you value as the rights and supporting of your constituents?

How do you base that?

Does it ebb and flow based on the win, based on the money, based on the influence ban?

I mean, I don't want that, man.

I don't want that.

Final thoughts, Len.

I'm just glad that Crawford is willing to

consider changing the maps and we might get a little bit better representation with a couple more Democrat representatives if she's elected.

And I'm with you 100%.

I just hope that if she gets elected that we don't have the biology remorse that the other candidates across the country that were supported by George Soros have elicited.

Well,

and again, man, I'm not I hear I know the crime up and down in Santa Fran I hear what you're saying about sorry You could go down the list and they could who the you lines have supported, you know on on the right At the end of the day, it's kind of a pointless not pointless But we both agree the money is is a big problem that that's a big problem We shouldn't be in the situation and as I mentioned to Judge Crawford and what bothers me man is this is this vitriol this this angst you know judges are getting threatened right now

You know this this canvasser that's getting paid for by must to support BS You know What they the newspaper when they did their story didn't want to release her name out of fair retribution for her and I am I applaud the General Sentinel for not doing that because this is real.

It's unfortunate

But I can't believe that this is the situation we're in.

That should never happen anyway.

And no Musk truck should not be being fire-bombed.

That's not an answer.

That's not okay.

So, I mean, I'm hoping consistent in that.

And people's personal safety should not be threatened because they uphold the law or they view and rule on a case a certain way.

I mean, my God, if I acted that way, but every time things didn't go my way, I'd be like Donald Trump.

Join us eight five five seven five two four eight four two eight five five seven five civic Genie from old Claire.

You are up.

Happy day, Genie.

Welcome.

What do you got for us?

I was gonna have you refresh my senior memory regarding, you know, the Wisconsin manufacturers and commerce.

I remember all the people coming from my side of the state to speak to, you know, um, their representatives, you know, in a hearing and

they had to wait for hours and hours while wisconsin manufacturers and commerce and american prosperity were sitting in the top chairs and they totally ignored all the people that you know spent the day trying to talk to the representatives and you know and that was the time when you know people were sitting in the capital i remember seeing it they didn't cover it on my side the state watching it and other means and in crying when they were

a hand cupping people in their seventies behind their back seventies eighties

genie octogenarians putting old older women you know their their hands behind their back with zip ties like like that's necessary uh yeah that's that's that's that's not great stuff and genie thank you for the call we certainly appreciate you listening up in oh

Claire, you know, the money, the money, they always get it, man.

You know, I mean, they're, they're, they're always going to be, unfortunately, this is how it is, at least as it stands now.

And again, as a, as a citizenry, as we the people, we can change that.

We could absolutely change it.

We could change it.

So those money influence cannot spend that kind of money.

It wasn't always like that.

We could make it not like that again.

If, if we came together and agreed that that's how we want it to be, you know, how, how about genie that our voices are equal?

to the, you know, whatever, whatever lobbyist.

And now when we talk about, our proud Tom talks about lobbying.

I mean, lobbying is, you know,

getting redressed from your government.

You gotta be able to ask for something.

You know what I mean?

I know lobbying in a sense is a bad word, but at the end of the day, if I couldn't go and try to get in front of my congressman or my senator and plead my case, if I can't lobby, well, then I really can't go to your government to get your grievances addressed.

You know what I'm saying?

We have to be able to lobby.

So again, but there can be restrictions in the professional paid lobbyist thing.

There are, we can address those.

We can do that if we choose.

But we have to, I think you gotta, what do you gotta do?

You gotta identify the problem, right?

You gotta recognize this real.

Oh, I'm an alcoholic.

Hi, Dom.

Hi, Dom.

You know, first you gotta recognize it.

And, and I think, you know, some of those folks, some folks out there, you know, right-leaning, independent, whatever.

Oh, the money in politics makes, it makes everything worse.

It just does.

And even, I'm gonna keep on saying it.

If you believe that money is speech, well, speech can be restricted.

You cannot yell fire in a crowded theater.

Don't give a damn what you think your freedom of speech is.

And if we're gonna use our freedom of speech to burn down this country in our election system, I think we have a justified position that we can convince righties, lefties, middles, those that don't engage just because, you know, no one wants to see the commercials.

Or, you know, maybe public financing, maybe a window of 30, 60 days, something along those lines.

We can do it.

We're the American people.

We can do whatever we want if we...

Put our mind to it.

Come back with us.

Put your mind to it.

8-5-5-7-5-2-4-8-4-2 Elon Musk, who is paying out a million dollars to subcat in Green Bay for signing the petition.

We'll talk all about it plus your calls.

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We talked about Elon Musk, a couple of things.

That's always commuting today.

I was caught in some traffic at 43 south on just north of Milwaukee.

And so I was just kind of going out of the traffic and looking at my phone and I saw an article from the journal Sentinel anti Elon Musk plane flies over Milwaukee days before high stakes, Wisconsin Supreme court election.

I was like, huh, that's interesting.

And I look up and there it is.

That's amazing.

That's a good reporting.

It's a little weird.

But you'll look at that.

Right.

So one of those little planes with the banner flying behind it.

And the banner said, go home, Elon.

Vote Susan.

So that was that was amusing and of course when I saw the headline I saw the plans.

I was just I was wildly amused.

It's easy Key to happiness be easily amused.

Oh, absolutely

Journal Sun also reporting that Musk threw another million into next week's Supreme Court race But unlike his most recent spending on attack ads and canvassers He said the sum went to just one voter Musk took to X to announce Wednesday that Scott a

From Green Bay had won the sum for signing Musk's petition in opposition to activist judges

I'm not when I when I saw this initially, I was like, well, I don't remember him saying he has someone who's going to win a million dollars.

No, I do remember him not being able to, you know, get enough people to sign it because they want to sign it.

So he's paying people a hundred dollars

to sign his

petition.

But I don't remember that the point that, hey, I'll pay you a hundred and then to put you in to win a

million.

No, no, this seems just out of left

field.

I mean, come on, man.

Really?

I mean, the richest man in the world is this dishing away million dollars at a

crack it's nothing to him I know really nothing to us man you don't gotta know thank you mm-hmm off with all that man go home like the plane says go home Elon vote Susan yeah

so at this point there's been 80 something million dollars spent on the Supreme Court race Elon Musk has spent over 20

Million dollars so far that is a full quarter a full quarter of the spending is coming from one man 25%

That's good radio math coming from one dude the richest man in the world who doesn't live here

Correct, but he's got some dealerships.

He wants open.

So he, you know, he's busy.

He's busy.

Uh, yeah.

So there you go.

Vote Susan eight, five, five, seven, five, two, four, four, two.

Let's get some callers in before we run out of time.

We got to have fun while we can.

Kurt from Madison.

You are next.

Welcome, Kurt.

What do you

got?

Oh, it's working on my breathing exercise

as

well.

Very good.

Very good.

Yes.

Yes.

Good.

I want to use your conversation with Len to try to cite an example.

of critical thinking.

So if people are on the fence and they look at the money, ignore the money, ignore the commercials, and just go off the facts that you can find at your own fingertips on the computer.

He lied in the debate about the rape kits.

If that alone isn't enough to get you upset, just think of it was your wife, your daughter,

A relative, I don't care who.

This is a guy who does not care about the better interests of the people of this state.

So, for Plexities out there, you can ask it just about any question you want and see what comes back.

This should not be a hard decision for people.

It simply should not.

And I just stress the critical thinking skill level of this.

If you're confused, call the Dom Show.

Get your answers or...

Or you can just get on the computer and ask perplexity your question.

See what comes back.

Perplexity.

I haven't used perplexity.

You'll have to check it out, Kurt.

Thanks for the comment.

Thank you so much.

Do appreciate it as always.

Yeah, people critical thinking.

That's a good thing.

You could use that.

Yeah.

And if you don't know, you can look things up.

Do your own research, as they say, but also be careful of your sources.

See, there's a lot to it.

Not only did.

did BS lie during the debate about the, the, as Kurt says about the rape kids, he lied at the time when he was attorney general about it.

So he's, he's not gotten better.

He's not corrected his, his misdeeds, his lies, his misinformation.

He continues to do it.

And then I will throw on top of that, uh, Len and perhaps Dale from Warsaw, if you're on the fence, um, he continues to bring up.

Milwaukee voting accounting Milwaukee County City of Milwaukee counting the votes the late-night ballot drops I don't know if there's fraud or not man.

That's just how they do it They wanted to change it, but the Republicans wouldn't let them here in the state of Wisconsin So what happens they count those ballots then Brad Shim will continues to deceive don't vote for him vote for Susan Crawford come back eight five five seven five two four eight four two

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75 Civic got just piece working hard on the board for you folks today And we got some breaking news we want to share with you ABC news is reporting judge orders Trump administration to preserve signal chat on Yemen strikes The messages had been set to delete in violation of record-keeping requirements

Now we are already past a week.

So it's certainly possible that

They're gone.

At

least the original

original.

We got the

screenshots.

We have screenshots and we did see for those of us who read through the screenshots that it looks like the setting had been changed from four weeks to one week.

And then at the end of this exchange back to four weeks.

So potentially there's there's still something in that chat.

Yeah, but everyone came down today.

This broke the other day.

So, you

know, they may have gone in there.

They're burning the records.

I mean, the old, you know, man, back in the old days, you had to get the 55 gallon drum, right?

Put a bunch of gasoline and paper in it and burn it all.

On the one hand, things are so much easier to get rid of, but also

Them screenshots are forever.

Yes.

Yes, they are.

ABC News reports, federal judge has ordered the Trump administration to preserve the contents of the chat in which top national security officials use the signal app to discuss military strikes in Yemen as they were taking place earlier this month.

Let's use the app.

Hey, they got an app for that.

Let's go bomb.

Let's go bomb some places.

Hey, we got an app for that.

It's a great idea.

U S district judge, James Bosberg ordered the top cabinet officials named in the lawsuit by the government transparency group, American oversight.

Check them out folks.

I followed them or though on my radar, American oversight to retain any messages sent and received over signal between March 11th and March 15th.

Benjamin Sparks, the lawyer representing American oversight, raised concerns that these messages are in imminent danger of destruction due to the settings within signal that can be set to delete messages automatically prompting the judge to order the Trump administration to file a sworn declaration by this Monday to ensure the messages are preserved.

Yeah, did he give him a verbal order or a written order?

Right, because this is that same judge, Judge Bozburg, who issued the ruling saying that the Trump administration could not deport people based on that 1798 wartime act and, critically and in the verbal order, turn those planes around.

Do

you understand my order?

Yes, Your Honor.

apparently some other people tonight.

Yeah, same judge.

And Trump's really mad about that.

Now these judges are assigned randomly.

Right.

This just happens

to, you know, and I wasn't, uh, who was, who was the judge, uh, in Florida when he was randomly, when Trump was randomly given that judge, uh, Eileen Cannon,

he was very

happy about that

random selection, wasn't

he?

But not so happy about this random.

Oh, right.

This, you know, radical left judge who was initially appointed to the, the federal bench was it

Bush, Bush and then, uh, promoted essentially by

Obama.

Right.

Republican and a Democrat, thinking this guy's worthy of the role that he's in.

Man, maybe he's an objective jurist.

Shocking.

Do they make those anymore?

Can I get one?

We're trying to get one for the Supreme Court.

How much do I gotta pay for my objective jurist?

Apparently about $20 million.

ABC News continued.

The lawsuit, again, the American oversight lawsuit, which names Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth, Director of National Intelligence Tulsi Gabbard, CIA Director John Ratcliffe,

Treasury Secretary Scott Bassent and Secretary of State Marco Rubio and the National Archives as defendants asked the federal judge to declare the use of signal unlawful in order the cabinet members to preserve the records immediately as signals deleting of messages violates governmental record keeping requirements.

Hmm.

We know that they're going to some of the background.

We've covered that quite a bit.

Let me jump down here.

Uh, interesting thought here, uh, Judge Bosberg.

Oh, here we go.

According to screenshots, shots public by the Atlantic messes were set to dispute a certain time frame.

Originally messes were set to be as mentioned one week.

And then according to screenshots, uh, they were updated.

Um, Bosberg declined for now to order the administration officials to disclose if signal had been used by the Trump administration in a wider context.

Well, I thought I think that's very interesting that

at

this moment right now, because this is a question everyone wants to know, right?

Is this administration using signal in a wider context?

The judge declined for now to order them to disclose that a quote.

I don't think at this point that that's something I would be prepared to order.

So if you see or feel all the lights dimming,

that's all the

signal deletions going on in the Trump administration.

Right.

Of

all those things.

Because I mean, good luck.

Right.

And I mean, I feel like it's pretty obvious.

Of course, they're using signal for things.

There's a reason why no one on that signal chat went, hey, maybe we shouldn't be using this platform for our classified exchange of information because it's the platform that they're using.

For everything

for everything

and that's again, and there's lots of cases right now people getting Rendition is at the term I'm getting plucked up and pulled away and sent somewhere else, right?

And if that were to happen call to I don't know it's bad enough that happens to folks that are our citizens of other countries in here legally and perhaps, you know put an op-ed in the school newspaper, you know

criticizing the administration's efforts or criticizing Israel's efforts, whatever the case may be.

If that happens, or if it happens to you, or me, Jess, or me, or any of our audience members, and these cats are using signal to communicate, hey, go get that cat.

Go

get them.

Well,

there's no record of that.

Just gone.

Paper trails gone.

Just gone.

And that's the whole point.

That's one of the reasons they use it.

They've been using it since the Russia, Russia, Russia thing in the Mueller report.

One of the reasons Robert Mueller couldn't get the detailed evidence that he needed.

that was most certainly there is because they were using these kinds of apps.

Yeah.

Yeah, I said it.

On the heels of Trump early Thursday accusing Boseberg on social media of grabbing the Trump cases all to himself, the judge began the hearing by providing a detailed description of the DC district court's automated system for assigning

cases,

including how each judge is allotted electronic cards to ensure cases are fairly distributed.

That's how it works.

And that's how all cases continue to be assigned in this course, Judge Bosberg said.

I mean, we can't be expecting.

the Trump administration to understand how our government works.

It

doesn't matter.

They don't give a damn.

Either you're with us and do what we say, or if you're against us, you're a hulk, you're at this,

you're at that.

It's a witch hunt.

It's a witch

hunt.

It's all these things over and over and over again.

I mean, everything, you ever find it weird that every time a guy gets caught with his hand in the cookie jar, it's a witch hunt?

Right.

I mean, he's very deliberate in his attacks.

is actually right on schedule.

You know

he's

guilty when.

You

know

he did it when.

Wasn't it, wasn't it just last week that we heard from one of the secretary members, Lutnik?

About who a fraudster is it's the one who who complains the loudest

Yes talking about in that in that reference about those who call and complain that their social security checks

might be late correct

those

that are His his mother-in-law, you know the billionaires mother-in-law wouldn't

but

yeah He said the same thing though and he was complaining what he was doing.

It's

correct He was

also kind of giving a tell same with with this administration same with Trump same with you saw that the body language of Pete Hakeseth when he's asked questions

You see this, everything's a personal attack.

No, man.

Oh, they're, they're, they're getting eight.

Well, you know, ask, get an asked a firm question is not abuse, man.

It comes with the job.

And we

should be asking hard and tough and fair questions all the time of everybody who gives a damn, man.

Political persuasions do not matter in that regard.

This is coming from, you know, a journalist like me.

Hey, I asked questions, I'm a journalist.

I'm an old man, I'm confused.

I didn't put that on the board.

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So, Judge Boseberg ordering the Trump administration and, you know, how's he gonna force it?

You know, if someone goes and deletes something, for real.

Hey, you gotta keep this, just like you said, turn the planes around.

Right.

They didn't do it.

And they said, oh, you know, national seat, they're going to say the same thing, national secrets, right?

National security.

We're not going to do that.

I'm anxious to see how the Trump administration, you know, continues to push the envelope of, you know, constitutional crisis because they got caught doing something really, really stupid and literally putting people's lives in danger.

And they don't even acknowledge it.

They don't.

And that's so many different parts of it.

Cavalier Way in which, you know, we go about our war efforts.

It looks like a bunch of frat boys with their, with emoji.

What did Jane call them?

The emoji boys.

And the doge bros, you know what I'm saying?

I mean, this is pervasive through it.

Yeah, you know what?

I want people in these roles that are a little more considerate.

I really do.

I don't think, you know, emojis of the American flag and a fist bump and an explosion.

You know, if that's the extent of your intellect and your analysis of what are we're doing, what we're trying to do as a country in our name to open up shipping lanes to, to what, shakedown Egypt and Europe, to some amount of dollars that haven't been defined and perhaps based on the way the SM, Stephen Miller, believe in that text stream said that they don't even know this was coming.

Hey, bang, bang, bang, we did you a favor, pay us.

And who are you paying?

How's it getting paid?

By whom?

And where are you getting for that?

And if you get a little more, and where's it going?

The whole thing is terrible.

And on every single level.

Tell me from breaking the law, right?

These are supposed to be kept.

This is why Judge Bozburg has ordered them to do this.

So right off the bat, they're doing this.

In this manner to evade these open records kind of request we evade the requirements of our federal government boom breaking the law then then they go up and they try to spin in front of in front of the Senate Intelligence Committee right spin lie call it what you want Not good literally putting Members armed forces members lives in danger the bragging

Bragging I don't know why why Higgs thought that this was necessary put this kind of Detailed agenda the breakdown of the timing and the weapons and all you didn't need to do that.

No, I mean, so what was that?

Well, that was that was him bragging I guess that didn't need to be done There's there's there's so many different ways in every single way you look at this in every angle in every aspect It is terrible and it is getting worse and there's no contrition.

There's no admission.

There's no nothing.

There's no consequence yet No, nothing yet

But I'm telling you, Republicans, I mean, you got family and friends and you care about the military, right?

Make America great again?

Is that making America great when you're just so cavalier with this kind of effort and a war effort?

It's a big party joke, man.

Hey, look at the emojis.

God bless.

Give me a break.

Unserious.

Do not deserve to be there.

But you deserve to be with us.

Come back with us.

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Oh, love me some of that music Music last late to cheap trick.

Oh, yeah At the forum here downtown Milwaukee.

Ah, Stephanie had a blast.

It was it was great.

Ah But man, you know, we're not getting any younger and no,

no

are our rock stars

But they were there, man.

They were doing it, getting it done.

Still

rocking out.

And I almost went over my, I think I may have gone over my monthly t-shirt budget.

Monthly t-shirt

budget.

Yeah,

I got the cheap trick one.

And I've seen, I've

seen Heart before, like back in the 80s,

but

I don't know if I've ever seen cheap trick.

It's

hard to say, but never, never had this shirt.

So I got that now.

So I got to, I got to wait now a couple

of

weeks.

It joins the arson all of.

black man

t-shirts

they're slimming of course

eight five five seven five two four eight four two uh new topic we'll get to next after the calls trump administration to shrink the federal health agencies by 20 000 employees

oh great because

25 000 was too much and 15 000

not getting her done.

I will get there to your calls and texts as well.

Don from Milwaukee, you will be next.

Welcome Don, what do you got for us?

Good afternoon, Don.

Yeah, I just wanted to let the people know out there.

I was reported by writers.

Elon Musk's, they have access to all our records, you know?

There's a doge staffer He was he has been aided a crime ring they call him a ring of cyber criminals and he he's What he called muscle says he's just awesome He's a 19 year old kid and he's got a his chosen nickname is big balls.

Yep.

Anyhow good good old big balls

He's giving information to a ring of cyber criminals, and I guess they're infiltrating law enforcement emails or hijacking phone numbers.

They're stealing cryptocurrency.

And so I'm just kind of wondering, hey, are our bank accounts, are we going to have any money left in our bank account?

Well, Don, I mean, that's fair question, man.

Fair question.

And it's all over the place.

The independent is reporting this, USA Today, Yahoo.

I mean, this, this guy was basically what?

Tech support for a cyber criminal organization?

Yeah.

Well, you know, no worries.

Hell of a resume, man.

If you want to get in and do some climbing, some real climbing, come and join the doge, man.

I'll put you in.

This is, it's, yeah, Don, check your bank accounts.

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Mark from the SAC.

You're next.

Welcome, buddy.

What do you got for us?

Oh, there you go.

Welcome.

Pull me in all kinds of different directions here.

I mean that information goes away.

It's kind of like those old spy movies where they, they watch the little video discs now and then all of a sudden it goes burst into flames.

This message will self destruct in five seconds, man.

Mission impossible.

They're still making those movies, Mark.

This information just evaporates.

So these guys could be.

plotting criminal activity.

And yes, we have no idea.

And let's be let's be frank about this.

Mark, I mean, based on the letter of the law, this very activity of using signal in this manner in this way is a crime.

It is a it's criminal activity based on my understanding.

of the records retention laws.

Indeed.

Let alone, let alone, obviously, the problem of putting, you know, the journal was down there.

And who was supposed to?

Oh, my God.

Just so much.

So, yeah, these are the best, huh?

Making America great again by what?

And what are all these efforts for again?

Just why are we doing this?

Why is this happening?

Why, as I get into this new topic, the new headline, why does the Trump administration want to shrink the federal health agencies by 20,000 employees?

Well, Dom,

It's so that they can just squeeze just enough to give their billionaires a nice old tax cut of four trillion dollars.

Four and a half trillion.

Four and a half trillion.

I

mean, but you know, a half a trillion.

Half a trillion, what's that?

That's only

five hundred billion who's counting that.

Right, this is what, this is, this is the, this is the umbrella.

This is what they're telling us.

And it's really hard to believe.

It's really hard to believe.

My understanding of the dashboard of the billions saved continues to go up.

But we know that there was a bunch of BS in there first.

I don't mean to look at it because I don't believe it.

I don't believe it.

They've provided no reliable receipts.

There's nothing that we can actually look at and say, yeah, you seemingly have actually saved a lot of money.

What they have put up is riddled with errors and flat out lies.

Hey, we canceled this big contract.

That was canceled on the Biden administration

That contract's been done for a decade.

It's $8

billion, no man.

It's

like $8 million.

At

most.

At most, and even that was like $2 million.

Right.

I mean, it's not great, but this is what we're dealing with.

This is what I guess the people want.

And where is the savings?

Like, is that in the council?

We're like, where is the money?

Where is that money?

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Trump administration plans to shrink the workforce of the Department of Health and Human Services by nearly a quarter.

Officials announced today it's part of a major restructuring.

Change is announced on Thursday amount to a workforce that will be around 33% smaller than it was at the end of the Biden administration.