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100 Million Reasons to Rethink How We Do Politics (Hour 1)
The Dom Salvia Show · Mon Mar 17, 2025
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I don't know if it's celebration.
We are spending lots of money folks.
This Wisconsin Supreme court race is busting.
That's what the kids are all
That's correct.
Nick Ramos, our buddy over at the Wisconsin democracy campaign.
He's the executive director.
It's a guest on this show.
Occasionally right now we are seeing unprecedented spending.
Oh, yeah.
With two weeks to go before the April 1 election, the two campaigns and special interest groups are already closing in on the 51 million national spending record for a court race that the organization talented in the hard fought 2023 election last time around.
In that race, the ideological control of the state Supreme Court flipped from conservative to liberal.
And that's going on again.
Schimel, of course, and Susan Crawford, that's the one you want to vote for.
A key metric to predict the price tag of the upcoming election comes from independent expenditures spending for or against a candidate without consultation or coordination with the supported candidate.
Yeah, so they say.
That figure has increased about 103% from the same point two years ago, said Samantha DeForest Davis, research director,
for the watchdog group.
Specifically, the Wisconsin democracy campaign has tallied 29.24 million in independent expenditures two weeks out from the election, compared with 14.41 million at the equivalent date in 2023.
Unlike two years ago, this year's race did not feature a primary.
These numbers will continue to increase daily, she said.
Uh, some of the, some of the big bucks coming in, the race has featured more than $11 million in spending by Elon Musk.
Nick Ramos said much attention has been focused on Musk because of his spending via the America Pack, his Super Pack, and a second group, the political non-profit Building America's Future, in addition to his front group calling itself Progress 2028.
What's the point of all that?
You know, if you're gonna spend all this, I mean a lot of musket, here's the money.
Why are you gonna go through all this different front group here, different front group here, different pack here?
Because it's
Hmm.
Shouldn't be legal.
All right.
I still, you know, the Musk is not the only ultra wealthy person directing large sums of money into the race on the liberal side.
Yeah.
Funders have included billionaire investor George Soros.
Oh, the mega's favorite, George Soros, Illinois governor, JB Pritzker, Milwaukee philanthropist, Linda Uline and retired software engineer, Gloria Page, mother of Google co-founder Larry Page.
The conservative side donors include
You know, the same same cast of characters, I guess all the time, both left and right, ABC's supply owner, Diane Hendricks, the widow Hendricks, dubbed the country's wealthiest self-made woman, Elizabeth Uline, Uline president, one of the biggest Republican donors in the U.S.
and Joe Ricketts founder of Ameritrade.
and an owner of the Chicago Cubs.
So if you just need another reason not to like the Chicago
Nick Ramos from the Wisconsin democracy campaign said this, the millionaires and the billionaires are right now hedging their bets and trying to see how we come out of April one, uh, Daniel Bice and Allison Durr reporting at the Milwaukee channel.
So now can we all, all my mega friends out there and all you Schimmel supporters, that's kind of
This is crazy, right?
A hundred million dollars being projected to be spent in this race.
So we got another couple of weeks here, right?
And so if the math is right, so we're gonna be spending, they're gonna be spending 50 million dollars between now and then, this is roughly called, right?
I mean, that's a lot of ads.
I've been watching some Marquette basketball, some Badger Men's basketball, you know, and these things are popular.
They're just everywhere.
And it's gonna be more, it's gonna get more.
Does the early voting start soon too?
Yeah, early
There you go, folks.
So yeah, a very, very important race.
And if you look, if you...
judge the importance of this race by the amount of money being spent.
This is the most important election of your lifetime.
Why do we keep on hearing that?
The most important election of your life and it very well may be.
And it's, you know, it's also, you know, certainly it's going to affect us here in the state of Wisconsin.
But it's also, I think in some regards a, it's really the first time we're going to be able to voice our
displeasure with
Me and me and the bad you line and the winnow Hendricks, we are the support for that.
So folks, it's going to be, you know, it's going to be.
a call.
And so make sure you get out there and vote.
It is going to be very important.
You got to push back on, on what shim will be a rubber stamp for the Trump administration.
He's said it.
Hey, let's not forget, you know, all this work that shim was going into all the knee pads and finals, knee pads, but yeah, that's supposed to, that's supposed to make for the money.
So there we go.
Um, also Ben Wickler chair of the whist Dems on the contrarian.
Yes, certainly a referendum on how this administration is performing.
And a decision for us here in the state of Wisconsin, how we want to be governed and what kind of characters and values we want our Wisconsin Supreme Court justices to have.
Jennifer Rubin and Ben Wickler, let's hear cut number two.
why it is that Elon Musk has at this point, from this close spending, poured in $10.2 million into this race, which is way more than anyone has ever spent in a Wisconsin judicial race.
That's more than the entire races used to cost.
And at one level, his bottom line is at stake.
just like it is in the federal government.
So he has a lawsuit against the Wisconsin state law that says you sell cars through car dealerships to try to sell direct to people to sell Teslas.
And that's going through the court system.
And if he buys our state Supreme Court, he'll be able to sell more Teslas in Wisconsin.
And I have to say, you know, there's been a lot of press coverage about a horrific accident where a Tesla crashed and then the doors wouldn't unlock because the car turned off and people
Burn to death in the car.
There's not a lot of love for Tesla's in our state right now, but there's protests happening.
But nonetheless, he wants to sell more of its cars here.
And if he buys the judiciary, he can do that.
But at the other level, he doesn't want any check on his power.
And as we know, when a state.
uh, convex on one of the felony in that state, Trump can't pardon them.
So if he can buy the court system in states like Wisconsin, then he prevents, uh, any kind of accountability for laws that he may break.
And that is something he seems very interested in.
He's, you know, posting all the time about impeaching federal judges.
Well, if you can buy the Supreme court, the deciding vote in a evenly divided court in Wisconsin, the closest state in the country, that opens the door to all kinds of shenanigans.
And he's got in Brad Schimel, a guy who was just saying at a Republican event that Trump was screwed over.
in 2020 when the Supreme Court came within one vote that did not overturn the 2020 presidential election.
So if you want to just destroy American democracy, it's not enough to run the federal government.
You also have to take over the states, especially the state courts.
And that is exactly what Elon Musk is trying to do with Brad Schimmel.
Wisconsin Democratic Party Chair, Ben Wickler, get an interview by Jennifer Rubin now at the Contrarian.
Formerly of the Washington Post, we don't go there much anymore.
We do have a little bit more sound of this conversation.
We're going to come back on the other side and play that for you.
A hundred million dollars, Nick Ramos and the fine crew over the Wisconsin democracy campaign, predicting that is what will be spent.
Over 50 million already has been spent.
We're over a hundred percent of where we were last time around in 2003.
folks.
So if you're sick of all the ads now, wait, it's going to get worse.
But the good news is April 1st, we'll have a chance to send shimmo packing a little bit more from Ben Wickler and you folks on the phones as well.
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eight, five, five, seven, five, two, four, two, talking about the Wisconsin Supreme Court race, perhaps a hundred million dollars, one hundred million dollars.
I'm going to be spent here in the state of Wisconsin.
Ben Wichler having a conversation with Jennifer Rubin over at the contrarian substack.
We got one more cut, I believe.
Indeed.
Let's hear the question about this front group, right?
Funny going on and I don't mean comical.
I mean peculiar and weirdly dangerous about a shadow group that is reaching out to Wisconsin voters.
What is that all about?
I've gotten messages from a few kind of former conservatives who've seen ads from a group called Progress 2028.
And they're seeing these ads that are like, Susan Crawford is your progressive champion talking about how liberal she is.
And they're like, this seems kind of tone deaf.
I don't know why I'm getting these ads.
It turns out this is a Musk front group.
Musk is funding this group.
It's the same group that ran ads to Muslims saying that Harris supported Israel and to Jews saying Harris supported Palestine.
This group, which is not registered as spending any money in this race, is running ads to conservatives talking about how progressive Susan Crawford is as a way of getting
conservatives to turn it out to support Red Schimel.
It's a dirty trick pretty straightforwardly.
It's also against the law to run ads through a front group that hasn't registered or reported its spending.
Apparently, he thinks that if he buys the Supreme Court and breaks the law doing it, that he can get off the hook from a court that he has then bought and owns.
I mean, why not?
We'll see him to you guys.
Thank you.
Um, I'm calling today because I gotta keep reminding people, because I didn't know people didn't know this, that judges are there for 10...
years.
We put up with Schimel with Scottie Walker, not 10 years, and this is a 10-year stint for this guy.
In addition to that, now I'm living in South of Eau Claire, in a rural area, and I have already received eight flyers, those cardboard kinds, you know, like five by eight or something like that, for Schimel and zero for Crawford.
And they'll start out with, you know, Judge Wisconsin can trust with Shimmel, the nice guy, and then Susan Crawford won't keep our community safe.
I mean, each side shows how wonderful he is and the opposite side.
And they're all from the Americans for the Prosper.
Yeah, AFP.
Yeah.
Anyway, thank you.
I hope people get out and vote in other areas.
Please get out and vote so you can counteract.
all the money spent in my area.
And you guys have a great day.
Thank you.
Thank you so much, Jeannie.
Appreciate it.
Uh, yeah.
Well, obviously a money, lots of money getting spent AFP spending money on behalf of Schimel up in the old Claire area per Jeannie.
And I got to wonder, you know, is what the plan is for, for the, the, the Crawford campaign in that area.
I didn't get over the weekend, actually a handwritten note addressed to my wife, your vote is your voice.
Dear Stephanie, and this is like very nice handwritten
Right.
Uh, the one we got here at the rest of my wife, uh, talks about Crawford, a former prosecutor now circuit court judge Crawford has the right experience and will protect our rights for election info.
Go to my vote.wi.gov.
Thanks.
Faye volunteer will thank you.
Faye a fine, a fine note here with excellent penmanship and multicolors to make it stand out.
Thank you for doing your time.
I know my wife and a lot of folks have.
put time in to write these kinds of things.
And I'd help out, but my handwriting sucks.
I mean, it's not as bad as Trump's Sharpie thing, but there's not much better.
Literally add some notes written down and stuff comes up.
She looks, you look to get, I can't even read this, but does this say, Oh baby, I can read it.
Don't worry about it.
Well, first off, I think Jeannie is just the treasure and I love her out there in Eau Claire.
So thank you, Jeannie.
In fact, it just shows us once again, how money in politics is really the problem.
You know, she's getting 10 flyers from shimmo, you know, none from proper and, you know, and that's probably because of money in politics.
It's just very, very simple.
Also, Dom, I really want you to, if you can,
Do a deep dive into the difference between public versus private, because I really don't think the American people understand the difference.
And Donald Trump wants to privatize, profitize everything.
And it's just, I think that if someone's house is burning down and they need to call up their fire.
Welcome back to the Dom salvia show eight five five seven five two four eight four two eight five five seven five civic just piece working hard on the board our pal Harvey K professor emeritus of democracy from the University of Wisconsin Green Bay going to join us in the five o'clock hour going to get to your calls in your text and a new topic.
I've always kind of wrap up this old topic.
The old topic.
Wisconsin Supreme Court race not really an old topic current topic.
Spending a hundred million dollars, perhaps, in this cycle, as Tom said, reiterated by other textures, AJ from Madison, get money out of politics.
Yeah, man, that's what I'm saying.
And I can't, you know, I think, again, conservatives, can't we agree that?
Do we agree with that?
Do we want that kind of money, right or left?
I mean, no, you don't like George Soros money.
So how do you like, like, you know, musk money?
See 10 times as much musk money and so how about we just say okay?
I don't I don't want anything Let's just put a cap on it.
I mean, you know Let's come up with some other ideas even if you again concur that money is speech Well speech can be regulated hence you cannot yell fire in a crowded theater And I think this kind of spending is akin to yelling fire in a crowded
theater.
It should be regulated.
It is too much.
Uh, what else we got?
Uh, no, no, no, no.
Most important election of the rest of our lifetime.
Most important was last November and we're paying for it now.
Yeah.
I need to doubt the truth.
Bill from Walker shop pint of Guinness is always something good.
Yeah.
Something good at the end of the show, Bill.
So you're jumping in early, but I do.
I think Maggie did leave us some Guinness in the fridge.
kept that at the end of the show.
Best mega definition I've heard yet.
Okay.
So here's the new acronym for mega Moscow assets governing America.
Yes.
Mm hmm.
Please.
Yeah, man.
A lot of money spent in elections.
Mark from Sussex.
Can we agree that it's too much?
It's too much on Musk.
It's too much on Pritzker is too much.
You know, pick your right, pick your left, pick your billionaire, man.
I don't like take your billionaire to work days.
You know, I think we should, as a people, we have to write the ability to change that.
Let's do something about that, Mark from Sussex, unless you're down with all that liberal money.
But I can't think you are.
If you're not down for the liberal money, you certainly shouldn't be down for the conservative money.
Let's just, you know, do something about that, Mark.
And we agree on that.
Very simple.
Our buddy Tom, when he was trying to say, he jumps on the YouTube, check us out on the YouTube station at Civic Media, was trying to say, Tom, we ran out of time in the last segment, was trying to say, if you have to call a company to come put out your fire and they ask you, did you pay your dues?
But then your whole house could be burned down.
That's why a public
government fire department.
Uh, and good point.
It wasn't always that way, right?
And what if you, if you didn't pay your fire dues, right?
Instead of before it was a tax and everything's just taxed and everyone has to pay it.
Well, they want to pay it or not.
Cause this tax, it goes towards that because if your house is close to each other and one person whose house, uh, is, is.
on fire, but did not pay their dues.
Look, it could damage the house next door, who did pay their dues.
You know what I'm saying?
So, yeah, while, you know, you want to be all individual and not have to worry about paying those taxes, I don't care if my house burned down, you know, but there can be other damage, collateral damage.
It could spread from your house to another house.
See what I'm saying?
So, and to Tom's point, that is why we have these things, man.
Fire department.
Are you against the fire department people?
I mean, is that socialism?
A little too much fire department socialism.
Clean water.
Too much, you know, too much.
Can't have that.
What would they call Milwaukee?
The sewer socialists, right?
Look at our water systems, man.
Come on.
It's not private.
eight five five seven five two four eight four two eight five five seven five Civic let's see west glad to be seen Crawford camp start to hit back at least in Madison and Milwaukee where I'm consuming the media even heard a Crawford ad in the restroom at the Bucks game in the bathroom seemed like they picked up the pace in the last week or two We need to get in the mud clap back.
Yeah Sound off
One, two, clap back, baby.
That's what I'm saying, Wes.
Thank you for your contribution.
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Jane from Madison.
Yes, LA Tom public versus private is an important topic.
Public is good, transparent, nonprofit, private, not usually nonprofit and often not transparent.
Some things really need to be public in my opinion, such as prison, schools, voting systems.
Sometimes public private partnerships work, but they're not the same and citizens need to know the difference.
Yeah, we do have, we have a lot of learning to do.
We got a lot of edumacation to catch up on these days, folks, eight, five, five, seven, five, two, four, eight, four, two, eight, five, five, seven, five, civic.
Uh, someone from the WMDX, a 608 number.
You played Dropkick Murphy's Bump Music.
Yes, we did.
It's St.
Patty's there.
So, you know, gotta play a little, a
little Irish music,
in
That's what they texted her.
They tweeted out to him.
We literally, I mean, you know, there's a big pro union cats and working man cats and all the stuff and they play at their music and they say it in their concerts.
I ain't, come on man.
It's like, it's like Ronald Reagan playing Bruce Springsteen is born in the USA.
It's like, do you know the lyrics man?
Do you know what you're playing?
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Yeah, I just, uh, from the party that's turning the environmental protection agency into the environmental protection racket, you know, destroying, uh, destroying atmospheric, uh, you know, monitoring and, and rulemaking, uh,
And Brad Schimmel's down good with that and talks about it all the time.
And yet we're supposed to believe that he's no worse than she is.
I mean, that's not what he's saying in this campaign ads, but that's basically it because, you know, she's talking about, you know, his.
decisions in a handful of rape trials are a bunch
and she's doing the same.
And it's like, it's all the same.
So you should vote for me because I got more experience and everything else.
All that stuff is the same.
And it's like, um, yeah, right.
It's not true.
It's not the same.
Yeah.
You can't, and you can't go with a 32nd and I really appreciate, uh, the network, the civic media network.
for occasionally or often running this little blurt after a campaign commercial on their stations, on your stations, saying, hey, you got her met.
We have to run these ads.
They can say anything they like.
There aren't any words.
It, you should be, and voters and citizens should be careful and, and, and make independent judgments based on actual facts and not just campaign commercial.
They're really right.
I really respect
run
That's why they
Yeah, Dale.
I think that Susan Crawford.
needs to be the next Wisconsin Supreme Court justice.
We've had enough of Schimmelweave.
He's been a disaster in the past.
And him following the Trump administration, if he should get into the office, is just gonna be a complete disaster.
It's gonna be terrible for Wisconsin and the country, actually.
And I have a couple of things I wanted to mention about tariffs.
and Greenland if I could.
Okay, thanks.
I think the ultimate objective of tariffs is to alienate as many of our native allies as possible to leave us by ourselves weakened and vulnerable to authoritarian impulses in their own government and authoritarian governments in the world disguised as retribution and protecting ourselves from supposed
supposed unfairness from our NATO ally countries.
I think we will see tariffs imposed on additional NATO allies.
And I think the tariffs are also being used to weaken our NATO allies.
On Greenland, there is something strategically and geographically important to the Trump administration for this course to buy or make Greenland part of the United States.
And I hear now two
that Trump is talking to Denmark, who has some control or ownership over Greenland, about buying apparently millions of eggs from Denmark in return for Denmark turning Greenland over to the United States.
So it's really a circus.
They are really focused.
They're really focused on Greenland and I think it's strategic and I think it's geographical importance to the Trump administration.
To what end?
I mean, certainly from a location standpoint, you can understand, but it doesn't mean you have to buy it.
You can, you know, do some sort of agreement for an extended base or something along those lines, man.
There's a lot of ways to, you know, get done, but I'm, you know, it's not very articulate what he's trying to accomplish, right?
He never is, at least with us.
Thank you, Dale.
And your other thought, I think is also a good one.
If you believe that Donald Trump is trying, is
is using these tariffs to weaken NATO.
If you, if you're along those lines, then maybe you think a little bit like Russia.
I mean, I know Russia, Russia, Russia, Russia, Russia, Russia, you guys are Russia.
And Donald Trump, you know, laments us all the time, but
Obviously, we know from the reporting, we know from history, Russia, Vladimir Putin, not a big fan of the NATO.
So any chaos that can be caused or stirred up or driven by the chaos commander-in-chief, that all bodes well for Putin and the other authoritarian's deal, I guess, to your point.
Why is it that right now Donald Trump is saying these things, doing these things, to what end?
To make America wealthy again?
Well, what does that mean?
How do you define that or make billions of dollars?
Well, who's who's paying that man?
It's just attacks on the people and it's increasing the cost for those that would buy those products So I'm not clear how that makes how these
these tariffs make America wealthy again.
And one more thing, Dale, obviously we know this.
I'm gonna keep saying it, because Donald Trump negotiated, renegotiated NAFTA to the USMCA.
He's very proud about that.
And we're operating under the USMCA right now, on top of which he's going against that, his own deal that he negotiated.
He was very proud of that.
He's going against the deal he signed to put these tariffs on.
Number one, why did you renegotiate it the way you did?
If you had problems with it then, why didn't you change it then?
Number two, if you have some issues with what you did and you want to go back to the table and renegotiate it, well then be a person of good honor and bring people back and renegotiate, man.
There's nothing wrong with that.
You did it the first time.
NAFTA to the USMCA.
How about USMCA to USM whatever, man?
Come up with something else.
So that's why I think to your point, Dale, these things are specific to perhaps.
Make our current friends mad at us.
Perhaps we're playing the markets man Marcus today up a little bit.
So maybe maybe we've digested the first few weeks of these tariffs from Trump.
We'll see what happens.
Let's come back with us F around and find out a Trump voter and his wife on their honeymoon on the way back from Puerto Rico.
She gets stopped and asked are you a citizen?
Nope.
And off she goes.
When you get to that story in just a little bit, and don't forget, Harvey K, Professor Emeritus of Democracy from the University of Wisconsin-Green Bay going to join us at the top of the hour.
Come back with us, 855-752-4842.
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Milwaukee Journal Sentinel.
Bradley Bartell and Camila Munoz had a familiar small town love story.
before they collided with immigration politics.
The Met Through mutual friends had a first date at the local steakhouse, married after two years, and were saving to buy a house and have kids.
Munoz was already carrying four Bartels, now a 12-year-old son, as her own.
But last month, on their way home to Wisconsin, after honeymooning in Puerto Rico, an immigration agent pulled Munoz aside at the airport.
Are you an American citizen?
asked the agent.
She answered no.
She wasn't.
She's from Peru.
But she and her husband had taken the legal steps so that one day she might get U.S.
citizenship.
Millions of Americans, including her husband Bartel, had voted for President Donald Trump's promise to crack down on quote-unquote criminal illegal immigrants.
But eight weeks in, the mass deportation effort has rapidly expanded to include immigrants whose application for legal status in the country is under review.
Even those married or engaged to U.S.
citizens are being detained by U.S.
Immigration and Customs Enforcement USA Today has learned.
Now in addition to Munoz, they've confirmed USA Today has, through other attorneys, family members, and documents.
Here's who ICE has been detaining for weeks.
Remember he talked about criminal illegal immigrants.
Here's one.
A woman in her 40s who has lived in the country more than 30 years and is married to a U.S.
citizen.
detained for weeks.
A woman in her 30s with proof of valid permanent legal residency, whose father and siblings are US citizens, and who first came to the US as a teen.
A European woman in her 30s engaged to a US citizen who overstayed her visa when she was 21.
A woman engaged to a US legal permanent residence with whom she has lived for nine years.
Now, none of the women has a criminal record.
According to the USA Today review of National Law Enforcement Records, all were in an ongoing legal immigration process and felt comfortable enough boarding a domestic flight.
Immigration agents swept each of them up at the airport checkpoints in mid-February in Puerto Rico and the U.S.
Virgin Islands.
Neither ICE nor its parent agency, the Department of Homeland Security, responded to multiple requests.
For comments, Nora Ahmed, the legal director of the ACLU of Louisiana said immigrants in the legal limbo of any kind should take precautions if they plan to travel.
Yeah, how about don't travel?
Here's my precaution.
Land of the free.
The unfortunate answer is they have to be worried, she said.
If you are not a citizen of the United States and you are going through an immigration process, your first thought needs to be, how can this process be weaponized against me?
Now, David Rosas, an immigration attorney representing Munoz, agreed.
Anyone who isn't a legal permanent resident or US citizen is at risk.
Period.
Now, back to the locals.
Bartel and Munoz wore their wedding rings for the flight home, secure in the knowledge that the US government knew they had applied for her green card.
She had overstayed her original visa, but the reason she had been vetted from the start, worked on a W-2, and paid her taxes.
Before agents led her away,
Munoz pulled off her wedding ring, afraid it might get confiscated.
She shoved it into her backpack and handed it to Bartel, her husband.
He shook as he watched her disappear.
He thought, what the F do I do?
What the F do I do?
Again, reporting here at the General Sutton, all this, this article has, or this topic has gone nationwide.
I saw it in the raw story.
You know, when you make the raw story, baby, you made the big time.
Caroline Lev at the White House Press Secretary.
If an individual is overstaying their visa, they are therefore an illegal immigrant residing in this country and they are subject to deportation.
But Bartell didn't see it that way.
Not when he met Munoz in the small Wisconsin town where she had worked lawfully on a temporary visa.
Not after they spent months filling out the USCIS paperwork to apply for her legal permanent residency.
He saw her as a funny, caring, hardworking woman who came legally, not one of the quote-unquote illegals who the president he supported.
promised to deport.
And the town where they met Wisconsin Dells, yeah man the Dells!
Population less than 3,000 draws tens of thousands of tourists each summer to a constellation of water parks, including one bill that the nation's largest Noah's Ark.
Now Bartel grew up nearby, stayed, and got a job with a decent pay working maintenance for a factory.
For Munoz, the Dell's region was an adventure.
As a college student in Peru, studying human resources management, she applied and was accepted to a work study program, secured a visa, got a job, picking up towels at one of the Dell's water parks in 2019.
COVID hit, well, we don't know how that went.
Flights canceled, borders closed, she couldn't get home.
She overstayed her visa.
She stayed in the Dell's, packing vegetables for local farm and working food service at hotels.
When they met,
Martell gave her his number on a scrap piece of paper.
She threw it away, but they connected a few days later on Facebook.
He invited her to dinner.
Munoz teased that it better not be at McDonald's.
And the first date they both confessed they were looking for a relationship that could last.
Oh, I mean, that's right.
Don't we all want a little bit of love?
But and we'll jump down here as we run out of time here Bartell worries about his wife quote emotionally I'm concerned for her it can't be easy being trapped in a room with a hundred other people They don't have anything in there.
It's just so wasteful they keep in touch on 20 cents a minute phone calls She worries about Bartell son whether he's eating well or misses her cooking Both of them have been thinking a lot about Bartell's vote for Trump.
I knew they were cracking down.
He said
I guess I didn't know how it was going down.
Well, sir, now you know.
F-A-Round, find out.
That sucks, man.
You guys, cute couple.
Sounds like you're happy together, doing all the right things.
At least getting there slowly, slowly.
That's what you get when you vote for this guy.
8-5-5-7-5-2-4-4-2.
When you come to this show, you get Harvey Kay, Professor Emeritus of Democracy, coming up next.
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