Justice Weeps (Hour 1)

Broadcasting across the state of Wisconsin on the Civic Media Radio Network and around the world on the Civic Media app. This is the Dom Salvia show. And now here's your host Dom Salvia. And welcome to the Dom Salvia show. Happy Friday to us all. We have made it. Thank you so much for joining us. You can also be a big part.

Call us. Text us. 855-752-4842-855-75CIVIC. We got Jess P.S. working hard on the board, on the sound, on the phone. Thank you, Jess. Happy Friday, and of course...

Jazz is held to introduce to you by a co-host for today. Former U.S. Attorney James Santel, host of Amicus, a law review broadcasting right here on the Civic Media Radio Network on Saturdays 9 a.m. to 11 a.m. Jim, happy Friday, man. Welcome back. That's tomorrow. I've got a broadcast tomorrow. Is that correct? I am delighted to be with you and with just today on Friday.

Oh man, it was beautiful. I normally don't like starting to show up on the weather, but I just got to tell you, a beautiful sunny day here in Southeastern Wisconsin. My car temperature hit...

73 degrees on the way in today, man. I was like, whoa, this is fantastic. Let's just skip the show, go to the park. No, but here we are. We're doing it. Just outside the courthouse in downtown Milwaukee this afternoon, coming here, of course, to arrive on time and just reveling in the joy of people running and being outside with their dogs, their families.

It is good to talk about the weather sometimes. Talk about community, man. People are out. I mean, it takes, it takes the winter sometimes to really appreciate the summer. Yes. Yes. So, and happy pie day. Pie day. Yes. 3.14159. I can't go beyond that. It goes on into infinity. And we don't have pie. What did you bring in here, man? This is an eclair, which I think if you figure out the, the circumference of it, somehow pie could be related to this delicacy coming in.

from the east side of Milwaukee and Ken Gloriosos. They do the best. They do the best. I love Ken Gloriosos. Right on Brady Street across the street from the Roman coin. There it is. There it is. One of my faves. Thank you, Jim. My wife won't thank you because I keep getting fatter. Wow. But I appreciate the treats, man. Absolutely. And she is also celebrating Pi Day today, I'm sure, right? Yes, absolutely. Right? Figuring out all kinds of new home improvements based upon geometry and figuring out this circumference.

conference and diameters, radiuses. It's all science. Don't worry about it, Jim. It's just science. Liberal arts majors like us, we don't know anything about that other than the fact that pi is numbers, right? And it's also a delicacy, which we sometimes enjoy. Yes, we do. Thank you, Jim. Appreciate it. 8-5-5-7-5-2-4-8-4-2. It's been a little while. I've been gone. You've been gone. You filled in. You did some things. I appreciate that.

Great opportunity to sit in your chair and not simply to talk about things, but also talk about with your great guests. We had tremendous numbers of callers, and we'll anticipate that again today. Lots of wonderfully good, thoughtful, precise, focused questions, comments.

And it was a full, full couple of hours, right, Chess? We had a good time. Oh yeah. Excellent. Well, we're going to try to repeat that today with your help today, folks, 855-752-4842. And since we haven't spoken so long, we're a lot to catch up on. We do. And love it, former U.S. Attorney, your legal opinions on many of these very important issues. But I think let's start where the news is today. Donald Trump was speaking today, Jim. Now, apparently this is...

not uncommon that Donald Trump speaks, he does that quite a bit, but where he was speaking and to whom he was speaking, he was down the street at what they call it, Maine Justice. Maine Justice, the RFK building, not the RFK junior building, but the RFK building changed its name during Janet Reno's term administration there when I was there. It is a marvelous building. You would not go there if you are a tourist, you wouldn't stop there, but it's this great Art Deco building built in 1935. Yeah, cool.

and it is so neat to be inside there. It is just spectacular, not unusual for, it's atypical, but certainly not impressive for a president to go there and do this. It appears down from the pictures that you and Jess showed me, that he was on the seventh floor of the media center, and not in what we call the Great Hall, which is what you would normally go to if you were the president. This is sort of a beautiful, again, cascading walls and just glorious time for an opportunity to talk with the Department of Justice.

people to announce policy and practice and vision is upstairs. Is that what number one policy policy practice and vision is not not not exactly what I heard coming out of his mouth today and apparently some hands selected perhaps you know supporter types that seem very from from what I've heard seem you know very campaigning right but also said some very very troubling thing absolutely and he continues to go after the press

And Jess, we found the sound. Who was the Aaron Rupert? Is he the guy who cuts some of the stuff up on the Twitter? Man, thank you for doing that. Can't imagine the toll that it takes on you. I salute you. I mean, you know, Jess, you gotta go through and listen to this stuff and cut it up and make it sound, well, at least, you know, productive.

You can't change the words, but you can make them sound nicer. A little bit. A little bit. So we found the sound and someone's doing the homework, so we'll jump on to that. Here was Trump, again, today speaking at the DOJ. Now, as you mentioned, Jim, not unprecedented, but fairly uncommon. It hasn't happened in maybe 10, 12 years, something like that. And again, the chief executive, the president speaking to...

What we have all been taught to think was an independent judiciary, right? A department of justice. I'm sorry. An independent department of justice. Now certainly, you know, the.

Pambani, you know the people get they get appointed by the president, but usually they try to say somewhat apart That's that's what they try to do. That's what they tell us they're gonna do not anymore, right? And that's that armist-length thing. We've always talked about again Reinvoking Janet, you know for the second time in five minutes she and Bill Clinton did not have a good relationship And that's a good thing, right? You do not want the president to be able to pick up the phone and tell the Attorney General who to indict who not to indict who to charge and significantly significantly

Pam Bondi, the president of the United States of America, have announced very boldly, unabashedly, that in this administration, those prohibitions on that kind of contact between the White House and the Department of Justice, those don't exist anymore. No. Those don't exist. And so it's entirely possible that a U.S. attorney can pick up the phone and, lo and behold, the president of the United States of America could be on the far, the far line, if you will, telling her or him what to do.

That is such a denigration of everything that justice is about. And again, nothing wrong as we've talked of a president describing in general terms, messages and broad visions like, I want you to focus on environmental cases. I want you to do antitrust things. How about I want you to arrest the Columbia student, Mahmood Khalil?

because I don't like the way he was protesting. That's on the other side of the line. We'll go there as well. And again, my understanding from the press reports, this came right from the White House, this came from Donald Trump. He told, and so that's exactly what they did. But I digress, we'll get to that topic as well. But I'm more concerned about the freedom of the press. Let's hear what Donald Trump had to say about that, at least cut number one, please. And I believe that CNN and MSDNC,

who literally write 97.6% bad about me or political arms of the Democrat Party. And in my opinion, they're really corrupt and they're illegal. What they do is illegal. What CNN and MSNBC do is illegal. Corrupt and illegal. Corrupt and illegal.

So many things to unpack your number one the statistic 97.6 I'd like to see the math sir What I mean, he just pulsed up out of his ass to him if you divide that by pie Perhaps you find the circumference of the BS. That's what we're looking at. There's a lot. There's a lot, right? Um, and notice that he also says in my opinion Maybe that's the only saving grace from this. Well, it's an opinion. Mr. President that is worthless. It is just

in front of people that can actually will execute.

on that opinion slash thought slash, you know, it's a nice justice department. You got here. I'd hate to see you lose it. You know, come on, man, in my opinion. Right. And, and, and the venue as we talked already is no, is no simple thing. Somebody got up and said, let's not just do this speech at the press club there in Washington, D.C. Let's go down to ninth and constitution and be there at justice and bring this message right to the people, Dom, as you just said, who can execute on this plan and the message.

not so subtle at all, whether it's his opinion, which is wrong, or not, is maybe we need to open up some investigations. Obviously, I don't know if Cash Patel was in the audience. I would be surprised if he wasn't, but still, the message is also to him that maybe we do need to open up some files. We don't need to indict yet, but let's investigate. Let's figure out if there is some basis upon which to even open up an investigation, as we have often said on this broadcast, the investigation can be the punishment.

even if you can't get a grand jury one day to indict an anchor at CNN or at MSNBC, even if you can't go after a producer there with criminal charges, you issue some grand jury subpoenas, you get people testifying, you review some tax returns, all those kinds of things, all of that is abusive.

It's like the weaponization of law enforcement. It is. Gosh, have we heard that before? We have. I've heard something else before too. Let's see if this rings the bell. Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion or prohibiting the free exercise thereof or bridging the freedom of speech or of the press or the right of the people peaceably to assemble and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

That, Mr. President, was the very first amendment enacted by our very first Congress in 1789. John Adams got the approval of all the states to endorse and approve the Constitution based upon the promise that they would add on a bill of rights. And all the rest of them, James Madison, John Adams, everybody followed up on that, and they did just that. And it's been around for almost 250 years. Today, obviously, we're ready to knock those walls down. Freedom of the press.

is Donald Trump liable? I mean, it seems like if you're up there as the president, slandering news organizations, can he be held responsible for that? Number one, even before the Supreme Court. Even before the Supreme Court said, do whatever you want, Mr. President, we're just fine with it. Right. What, dude? Shouldn't there be some consequence if I got up and said something, you know?

terrible about a person or an organization was blatantly false. Let's let's talk about somebody who is has seen happier times. His name is Rudy Giuliani, right? Who is who did that a lot during the first Trump administration afterwards, got in some big trouble, not only with the Bar Association, but it owes some people some money for slandering them as well. You know, hundreds of millions, like a hundred million dollars. And that was actually finally settled. I don't know what the actual payment was, but that's something that's something right. But they didn't probably get the hundred some million dollars.

Right. Exactly. You say those kinds of things out there. You can get in trouble. I would still like to think, my friend, that we live in a country where no one is above the law. The slander laws should still apply. No one in that room today is going to initiate that kind of an action. But the reality is there's some exposure here. There should be in America. Well, I mean, if I were CNN or MSNBC, I'd be filing lawsuits left and right, right back at them. You don't, you don't, what was a quote I saw today? You don't defeat the bully by giving up your lunch. You don't obey in advance, as Timothy Snyder would say. Come back with us.

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Come over you don't come at all You leave your pieces on that's your call and never

So coming heavy.

Oh, that's a keeper going.

I love that song, man.

We got to come heavy coming heavy James Santel bringing in the big wigs here.

Just piece working the board.

I got a fight in me today.

I wish Chuck Schumer had a little more.

We're going to get to that as well.

No, man, it's just a day.

Thank God it's Friday.

James Santel, a former U.S.

attorney, host of Amicus, a law review right here on the Civic Media Radio Network Saturdays 9 to 11 a.m.

Friend of ours joining me today.

It's been a few weeks and we're catching up.

And as a former U.S.

attorney, how does it work for the DOJ?

I did.

I did.

I actually worked right in that building, had meetings in that very room where our president today.

appeared, so know the halls well.

It seemed maybe the place has changed a bit since you've been there, Jim.

My sense is that it's probably

physically recognizable, but atmospherically, completely different.

You know, when I was a kid growing up, I worked on my neighbor's farm.

Did you know?

I

used to get up at five o'clock every morning to go milk the cows in my senior year of high school.

And I go back there now, and I go, you know, drive around the old stomping grounds.

place is gone.

There's one silo left of all the barns and silos and manure pits and house, everything.

There's one house and one silo left.

Actually, I think the tour of the house is one silo.

They gave the farm away.

Literally came to the farm.

It's a park now.

It's beautiful, rolling, beautiful, nice little spot out in Stevensville, Wisconsin.

No livestock.

No, nothing.

And it's gone.

It's like it never existed.

Jim, I wonder if that's how the DOJ is, you know, if you go back there now.

and see and hear what's happening, be a flying the wall nowadays, compared to when you were there.

It's still the same.

I

mentioned before, and before we went on the air, too, that there are all sorts of art deco things that were commissioned in 1935 to make this place a place of justice.

The artwork, the artwork is not all that great, but there are all kinds of messages, including when it's at the Attorney General's office.

in the civil rights area, all throughout the Department of Justice, all about justice and about the importance of holding the Constitution with the rule of law means.

You cannot walk down a single hall in that building without seeing those messages, those important themes emblazoned.

in that building.

They probably took them all down.

They don't need any sort of woke ass pictures on the wall talking about justice and justice is blind and all that stuff, man.

You get what you pay for, Jim.

That's how it works.

Welcome to Trump's

America.

1935 after all, that was 90 years ago.

That's no longer who we are is what apparently our president was talking about today.

And they should not get Social Security anymore.

Let's talk more about Donald Trump.

addressing the folks, presumably the handpicked folks over at the DOJ.

Let's hear your cut number two, please, Jess.

People you don't even want to know about.

But as many of you do know, well, we're focused on persecuting and these people were really focused on persecuting Republicans, the last administration.

Presided over the worst increase in violent crime in our country in many, many decades, we had levels of violence and crime and a lot of it.

We're focused on persecuting.

Then he realizes with the slow brain, the adult brain, oh man, that's not good.

So he rolls it into all the last administration were persecuting.

But I believe when the first time he said it, man, he's out there.

persecuting, again, specifically as I would look at the way he's going after the media, the way he's gone after this Columbia student.

Right, right.

And

this is an embodiment.

Credit to him for living up to his campaign promise, right, with my tongue planted firmly in my cheek.

I am your retribution.

I am your retribution, right?

And that's the persecution, right?

And as I said before, the persecution does not necessarily mean to envision that day when some of these people will be in the federal district court with a jury.

A persecution can indeed be an investigation, opening things through the FBI, other agencies, going after you, even if you don't ultimately result in charges.

That is enough, especially since many of these people, he's talked about Jack Smith, he's talked about the Bynes.

He's talked about an awful lot of people.

I would guess that probably the former U.S.

Attorney in Southern District of New York, who again was serving under his term, might be on his list as well.

These are not people.

I can speak from personal knowledge and reference.

These are not wealthy people.

Why?

They work for the government all their years.

And so when you go after them and they have to retain counsel, you have to get attorneys.

That is also an economic way of persecuting them for doing their jobs.

It is just invidious.

It's just terrible.

Counselor.

If a president steers a prosecutor and directs them to arrest somebody, is that considered probable cause?

The answer is no, and no, amazingly.

Let's do

some

civics here, right?

At some point, you need to get in front of a federal magistrate or a judge who's going to say, okay, a grand jury, and frankly, even a U.S.

attorney can issue a complaint.

It only stays in place for about 30 days.

At some point, you've got to go back to the grand jury.

That also isn't that thing called the Constitution.

But let's suppose the U.S.

attorney issues this thing called the complaint.

She or he can do that, sort of independent of the grand jury.

At some point, you've got to go forward in front of a federal

judge or magistrate and establish probable cause within the four corners of that document.

I'm alleging that Jim Santel did these things.

And my experience has been that federal judges are very, very specific.

And they will sometimes say, um, this is not enough.

This is not sufficient.

They will conduct hearings on it.

And there's evidence to determine whether or not there's a basis to go forward.

Saying somebody should be indicted in charge is not, let's break that down now, is not,

is not probable cause is that, but.

Let me ask you this then.

If they have to do investigations, right, in order to find the quote unquote crime or the probable cause, perhaps, so in the course of opening the file, can a president direct the attorney general or somebody in the FBI or anybody in the federal government who has the authority to do so to open up a file on someone just because they want that done?

That is the ultimate undermining of the rule of law, right?

If there's nothing in that file, I can open up a physical file that has Adamic Salvia's name on it, but to your good point, it should have some documents inside it of some kind, to speak in the old fashioned way.

There should be some reports of interviews, some surveillance reports, something, and absent that, you simply don't have that kind of probable cause.

It shouldn't be animated by somebody directing you to open it up.

Folks, you're listening to the Dom Salvis show.

That's James Santel.

He's going to stick around all day today.

We got just BS working on the board and spinning the tunes as well.

You have probable cause to come back.

We have more of Donald Trump, you know, listing the enemies in front of the DOJ.

You're saving some time.

Come back with us.

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7524842 that's who we are you can join us on the lines or on the text stream 85575 Civic James Santel former US Attorney host of amicus a law review right here on Civic Media Saturdays 9 to 11 a.m. Check him out in all of his glory when he had hosts his show got just piece working hard as well Thank You Jess cutting up the sound Donald Trump today the president addressing the faithful

at the department of justice. Let's see, what did he do already called the CNN and MSNBC illegal, called them political arms of the democratic party. And in his opinion, it's illegal, you know, for them to report the news. And he, you know, misspoke perhaps or not talked about persecuting. I mean, I mean, those last people, they were, they're the ones persecuting.

And now he goes on a rant against Norm Eisen. Now, Norm Eisen is this attorney, and he also started this sub-stack, The Contrarian, which we reference quite a bit here on the show. Notably, Jennifer Rubin, formerly of the Washington Post, has gone over and joined him at the sub-stack, The Contrarian. Here is what Donald Trump had to say about Norm. Cut three, please. There's a guy named Norm Eisen. I don't even know what he looks like. Yeah, you do.

His name is Norm Eisen of Crue. He's been after me for nine years. Now, Crue is a charitable organization. And the reason I'm saying this, Todd, is I'm only going to get one chance to say this. But these are bad people. I don't know who he is. I don't know what he looks like. But everything I read is Norm Eisen of Crue. And Crue is a charitable organization. He's had it twice.

That's a political thing. His whole life is to get Donald Trump, and he's been vicious and violent. Violent? And he's trying, and he probably had pretty good success over the years. But with me, how did he do? I think I'm president. Am I here because I'm president? But we had to take all of that abuse. Even during the trials, we had to take tremendous abuse like, you know, these wonderful guys. They're not legitimate people there. They're horrible people. They're scum.

And you have to know that. The rebel scum. You have to know that. You have to know that. OK, normalize them. Crew, citizens for responsibility and ethics in Washington. Yeah.

I can see how someone who lacks responsibility in ethics would come under the microscope of a government watchdog organization. Note how he said a couple of times that this is a charitable organization, right? He mentions that. He's telling this to the DOJ. Hey, they're being political. They're not supposed to be. This is, again, what Trump is telling these folks. And then throwing out, he's violent. Now, that's very specific to me. I mean, it's beyond being...

call someone scummy okay uh love the star wars but violent man he called norm eisen violent and if norm eisen to my knowledge is not violent he's never engaged in any violence whatsoever does norm have to take that jim he does not he does not have to take that and i'm sure he's going to be if he has it already been commenting about it again uh on on on the contrarian

Beyond that, I'm sure that he is also consulting with his own attorneys for two reasons. One of them is to figure out whether he does, in fact, have a path towards some litigation. It's not directly applicable. What we think, again, about E. Jean Carroll, right? Right. President defamed her, juries found that, gave her several million dollars in judgments against him for saying things that are not true.

Right? Norm Eisen is not a violent person. Violence has meaning, as meaning both in the secular world, so to speak. It's got meaning in legal terms or kinds of things. You have said something that has demonstrated true, and you've done it knowingly. Nobody can listen to that speech, that subset of his speech, without understanding that he's doing that knowingly. And the other piece of it, which is...

directly coming from what you just said. Not only are you speaking to the people there at Maine Justice about, gee, maybe here's a guy we should open up a file on.

You are speaking to America. And we know that now as a result of this president and his conduct for the past decade, we've got people making threats. We've got people showing up at homes with guns. And this is also an event. We've got people coming to Washington, D.C. upon the invitation to to come here and and and be wild. Right. Right. It is an invitation to violence against him. And that's the other reason why he needs to be thoughtful about his regret.

This is terrible to even think about right in America He's got to be thoughtful about his own security that of his staff that of his family because the president has just put a target on him Stunning shocking

This is a Dom Salvi show. That is James Santel, former U.S. attorney. We are talking about the comments made today by President Trump in front of the faithful at the Department of Justice at Maine Justice. Jim, you used to go there once in a while. Let's skip over number four. Look it down to number five. Let's kind of refocus. We got CNN and MSNBC are illegal. They're political arms of the Democrat.

party. Um, the Trump talks about persecuting people, literally persecuting. He goes after Norm Eisen, who was co-founder of crew citizens for responsibility and ethics government. I mean, okay. Uh, and now, well, let's not forget the newspapers cut number five. And these newspapers are really no different than a highly paid political operative. And it has to stop. It has to be illegal. It's influencing judges.

And it's it's really changing law and it just cannot be legal. I don't believe it's legal and They do it in total coordination with each other and everything we do we're restoring law restoring order and Restoring public safety in America. That's what we want to do So the media newspapers, right? They're illegal CNN MSNBC. They're illegal

Norm Eisen, he's violent and presumably illegal because Cruz and you know investigating and a watchdog for government on the government Yeah, this is this is this is what the president is literally out there saying these are all First Amendment rights, Jim absolutely and now we've got the newspapers So look at any newspaper right that has an editorial page most of them still do if there is such a thing in your own community And they're expressing opinions and you know here's the other point that again

This is so cynical, even of the president to say, because what he's assuming is that your listeners, and they do know better, but Americans don't understand that. These are private companies, right? They can fold if, in fact, they do not meet their budgets. And their companies, like all other entities, are out there. They have absolute protection by the First Amendment. There is nothing about it. Short of, again, the New York Times versus Sullivan.

court case right that says that unless you publish something knowingly and again with this very intent purpose, purpose to defame and you do it with that kind of intent.

Everything else, everything else is okay. And yes, that also means that sometimes in the public arena that Teddy Roosevelt talked about, you have to take some shots and not gunshots. You suffer some criticism that maybe is unwarranted. That is America. That's what we're doing. That is the job, absolutely. Half of the country isn't gonna like what you're gonna do, I mean, based on what our politics are these days. And presumably you're gonna get criticized from some of the

the press, justified or not. But that's the whole point. And they get to do that because we have freedom of the press. And as soon as we get rid of that, we get rid of, you know, the newspapers and we get rid of the television and we get rid of the watchdog groups. What are we left with? Oh, Donald Trump's presidency. Don't worry, folks. He'll tell you what to do. He'll tell you who to hate, who to go after. He'll tell you how it's got to be. He has apparently some some other issues, some other thoughts.

on what should be legal and what should not be legal. Let's play cut number six, please, Jess. And I didn't know her. I still don't know her. I don't believe I ever spoke to her even during the trial. This is Judge Eileen Cannon. I did appoint her federal judge. And these fake lawyers, these horrible human beings were hitting her so hard. Public relations wise, they were playing the ref. I don't think it's legal. I don't think it's legal. They might as well go out and just

shouted in a courthouse. They were saying she was slow. She wasn't smart. She was totally biased. She loved Trump. I didn't know her other than I saw her the couple of days that I was in court, and I thought her decorum was amazing. Anything bad they could say, though, they were saying about her. It was whatever they could say bad about a human being all made up.

Because actually, she was brilliant. She moved quickly. Quickly. Did she move quickly, Jim? She did not. She had a great number of motions still on the docket at the time she decided to reach back. And so, you know what? From the very start, this prosecution was prosecuted by somebody, according to her and Clarence Thomas, who had no authority to do so. She was a huge backlog.

including issues about using those documents, national security issues, she didn't address any of those.

Where do you start with these issues? Fake lawyers, fake lawyers making these statements. No, no, Mr. President, they're not fake lawyers. And yes, indeed, you can say these things maybe sometimes at your peril if you decide to criticize the judge in front of whom you are appearing. That may not be the best strategy, but it's not unconstitutional. Show me, Mr. President, the federal code, the state code that makes comments about the conduct of federal judges, state judges, illegal.

What is the crime in that? There is none. And once again, Dom, this is the very serious point. Aside from the absolute absurdity of what my president has said today, he is also telling all of us that we are stupid. He is telling the American public implicitly and explicitly that

I don't think you know any better. You don't know enough to understand how inappropriate and simply wrong the things that I'm saying as a governmental matter, as a civics matter. You don't have to be a lawyer to understand this. He's basically counting on the fact that we don't know better and we do. We do know better. 855-752-484-2855-75. Civic, let's get to some of our callers. Mary from Wauwatosa. Welcome, Mary. Happy Friday. What do you got for us?

and Jim and also Jess, I do subscribe to the contrarian and I did see just a short time ago Norm addressing Trump's charge against him. He didn't appear concerned or intimidated by Trump's charge. And contrarian being another pro-democracy advocate along with civic media, I'd encourage listeners to follow the contrarian and ideally support them with a low fee, monthly fee.

It's a great organization. Thank you for your advocacy. Of course, Mary. Thank you for your listenership. Certainly appreciate it. Glad to hear Norm is not, will not be intimidated. Hope Norm pushes back legally. I'd like to see, I'd like to see, you know, shocking all on a legal basis on every little thing from every little, everybody is.

load them up, line them up and knock them down, because what else is it going to take? What do we have? We don't have, you know, we don't have the house, we don't have the Senate, you know, Supreme Court, good luck there, you know, but we do have the ability to engage in litigation. If the President of the United States or the bartender down the street calls me a violent person,

Man, I'm not, and I'm not a violent person. I mean, I might get violently keep calling me that, talking about me, your worst dream coming true. But no, I mean, there's gotta be a consequence to that. You can't, at what point? Oh, there are baby raper killers. Oh, everyone's a baby raper killer. How about that? Is that okay? At what point do you cross the line? Apparently, it's well beyond they're eating the dogs and they're eating the cats, Jim. Right, absolutely. And...

Again, the safeguard here, the guardrail is, and we'll talk about other ways in which federal judges and state judges are saying no. You run into court, as I'm perhaps, Norm Eisen and others will do here, and you push back on this.

And I believe you believe your listeners believe you will get maybe not perfect justice It may not happen right away, but you do again invoking the Eugene Carroll example for the second time in 20 minutes here She waited a long time. She was she persevered as we often say with with great support for all all members of our of our community She persevered you got to do the same thing here if you back off if you are intimidated so good to hear Mary say that that I said is not intimidated if anything just the opposite if you go away and

And you cower in a corner because of what has happened here that only feeds more of it, right? You're not deterring it at all. You're encouraging more down the road from this out of control president. You punch the bully back Roberto from Chicago land. My president is a 100% pier scumbag. We need a whistleblower.

Thank you Roberto. I kind of concur with that man. This guy's going after everybody and every thing. Everything should be illegal except for him. Come back with us more. James Santel, just PS on the board. Your calls as well. 855-752-4842.

Dom Salvi show. Happy Friday to us all. I've got James Santel in studio today up until the six o'clock hour. Don't forget, tell us something good at the end of the show. Love wrapping up with a happy smile on our face. Got to just be us working hard on the board. You folks lining up on the phones, eight, five, five, seven, five, two, four, eight, four, two, eight, five, five, seven, five, civic. Um, Donald Trump today addressing the faithful at the department of justice, not uncommon, but not not.

Hasn't happened in many years. Let's put it that way and you know the Don feels like he needs to go down there We've talked about he's going after the press. He's going after norm norm Eisen and the contrarian and people that basically are critical of him Crew heaven forbid you have a watchdog group can't have that now. Can you say newspapers are Illegal that it should be wrong. You can't get called just name. That's illegal as he defends Eileen Canem didn't he call

several of the judges potentially. Let's just go with all of the judges who prosecuted against him. Slow, not smart, stupid. Right. Yeah. Yeah. So if he were to have his way, he would be himself, you know, arrested. But you pointed out, James Santel, on that very first cut, we're going to play it again. When Donald Trump is critical of CNN and MSNBC, he

references somebody. Let's play that clip one more time. So you can all hear it and see what you think about it. And I believe that CNN and MSDNC, who literally write 97.6% bad about mere political arms of the Democrat Party. And in my opinion, they're really corrupt and they're illegal. What they do is illegal. Was that the second? All right, let's play the next one in the second.

People you don't even want to know about but as many of you do know well, we're focused on Persecuting in what these people were really first focused on persecuting Republicans administration Presided over the worst increase in violent crime in our country in many many decades. We had levels of violence and crime and a lot of it

I don't even know what he looks like his name is Norm Eisen of crew. He's been after me for nine years now crew is a charitable organization charitable organization

And the reason I'm saying this Todd is I'm only gonna get one chance to say all right there we go the reason I'm saying this Todd bring it down The reason I'm saying this Todd. I'm only gonna one chance to Todd Who is he talking to what what is what is he bringing up this that crew as a charitable organization mentions that several times and references Todd what does that mean to you Jim?

He's talking about and making reference to probably looking right at the Deputy Attorney General of the United States of America. He was confirmed not too long ago, just a few days ago by the United States Senate, fairly unceremoniously and became the Deputy Attorney General of the United States of America. This is number two under Pam Bondi, Deputy Attorney General as we've spoken about many times is responsible for the day-to-day operation of the Department of Justice. This is the person who is responsible for overseeing the U.S. attorneys, the various divisions.

all kinds of things that makes things go. And Todd Blanche is his name. Todd Blanche, right? That was his attorney. That was his attorney. We remember him. His defense attorney. We have seen his picture, not only recently, but because he sat next to Donald Trump on one side, the fellow on the other side was fellow named Emil Beauvais, who is also known for many things. He's been also at Maine Justice recently. Todd Blanche, the deputy attorney general, the president's former

a personal defense attorney. And again, you might think, well, gee, Jim, why are you so obsessed about that? He looks at this deputy and not inappropriate to make that reference. But he's really saying is just this, that I've got this personal relationship. I used to have an attorney-client relationship. Who knows what kinds of things they exchange with each other. We'll never know about that nor should we. But he's looking over and that is a verbal wink.

That's a verbal wink to Todd Blanche to say all of this based upon the things that we've talked about before, maybe the recent but the good old days when we were working together. This is going to be more of that, Todd, and I want you to pursue this on my behalf based upon the relationship that we have had, the relationship that we still do have.

That's the message that he is sending to the second in control person at the Department of Justice. Make this happen. Now, I am your boss. Now you've got to make all this happen. So I'm interpreting that as saying, hey, Todd, go after crew, go after their charitable status, because I think they're political is what he's saying. Absolutely. I looked at some callers in here, 855-752-4842. Joe, you have 90 seconds. Welcome, Joe. What do you got?

You may want to take this up on the other side, Jim. To me, this sounds very much like the situation with the Dominion voting system. Absolutely, Joe. And I remember reading at the time there was a lawyer in a blog who said, I have never seen anything that is such a clear-cut case of defamation. And I would love it if you would expand a little bit more on this. This is not just a tip back and forth to guys in a bar by slugging it out. What is being alleged here will affect

the marketability, the economics of these particular people, CNN, MSNBC, a crew, that particular situation, if you sully them by these words that are not true, you are creating a problem in the business side, not just personal reputation, but business side of their businesses.

I would think that it is clear cut that, you know, hold on down to the the judge. I don't know how. So I'd love to hear you talk about this on the other side because this seems to me very similar to the Dominion case where you know it's wrong. You keep shooting it off in your piehole and it's ruining the reputation of these particular groups.

So if you could do that, I would be most most grateful, Jim. Thanks and show your analysis is an analogy and your analysis is right on target. Dominion voting machines ends up with a multimillion dollar judgment against Fox News for doing just that. And we can talk more about that. We will talk about that. Folks are listening to the Dom Salvi show. We will talk about that with James Santel, former U.S. Attorney, host of Emacus, a law review. Come back with us. 855-752-4842.

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Jim.

Thanks for sticking around man.

Good to see you.

Good to

be with.

with you on a day when memories of Maine Justice are in my mind.

Oh, the good old days.

The good old days.

Donald Trump did visit Maine Justice today as MSNBC is calling an unusual move.

And we talked, played some of the sound in the last segment, and we're going to move on topically in just a moment.

But our caller and our friend, Joel, from the last segment, brought up

this matter of the voting machines,

Dominion and

Smartmatic and the fact that they were Dominion specifically, I think Smartmatic is still going on, right?

Dominion settled for $7,800 million on the Fox News because they were out there disparaging them and telling lies about Dominion.

Well, today Donald Trump got up in front of the Department of Justice and told the Department of Justice that CNN and MSNBC

uh should be illegal right and that they're doing horrible things and and they're and he's really disparaging goes on this call norm eisen attorney and uh he has the sub stack of the contrarian uh also a founding member of crew a government washdog organization called him violent a violent person

And Joe's point, and if you would kind of give me your opinion on this, is that similar to what we heard from Fox News?

I mean, you know, Fox don't call it news was adamant on it all the time, all the time they were told not to, they continued doing it.

And eventually they were, they settled for hundreds of millions of dollars.

Do you find this in the same vein at all?

Yeah, it is.

And we've got really two different lanes here, right?

You've got, again, as we talked before, you've got people in the public arena who necessarily have to suffer some criticism, right?

And sometimes, and that's the New York Times standard, which again, the president doesn't understand.

That's called actual malice.

You have to show that there's actual malice by CNN or MSNBC or by Norm Eisen or any of these folks.

You knew it was wrong.

You published it with the intent.

Actual malice.

That's New York Times versus Sullivan.

Comes out of the 1960s, and yes, that's right, Martin Luther King, right?

So that's part of this.

And then the other, there's just general defamation, which I would argue, yes, indeed, because this is what Joe has said today.

It's also out there.

You know, this is again, a public official now, not a news agency, attacking someone else.

So you don't really have a, a news aid, you don't have a New York Times for this.

We have a

public official attacking the

news agency versus the other way around.

That's normally how this goes.

And so what is defamation?

Let's do some civics.

There's some law school here down.

Again, defamation.

You have to demonstrate a false statement.

There are many of them, including at the top of the list today, this notion that Norm Eisen is violent, of course, published to a third party, oh yeah, America, 324 million people today.

Causing harm to reputation.

I think Norm Eisen certainly Mary reported before playing that he is standing up against us But they're an awful lot of people think gosh who is this guy?

Reputation being compromised and same with with CNN and MSNBC Absolutely anybody who's under attack today the newspapers was out there and the defendants at fault He does this either the negligence or again with with actual malice knowing what he's doing

You know if you were in law school all the elements of that particular offense are there and You know as we were talking once again about Todd Blanche sitting there.

He's got to be thinking he's a bright guy He's got to be thinking maybe he's not reviewing the elements of the offensive defamation in that moment But he's got to be cringing and maybe going home tonight thinking

What was this today?

And how do I believe that for a minute,

man?

He sold his soul for that check a long time ago.

He knew what he was doing.

He continues to happily cash those check.

And now, now he's a big government employee.

So he got even better for

him.

Absolutely.

He's again, this is a man.

My point is, I think intellectually he knows better, but he's sold out and he's now being intellectually dishonest when he goes out there and advances this president's policies, which he can do.

as a deputy attorney channel.

You got, you

got, you got the framing all

right.

It's not selling

out baby.

It's buying

in right,

right?

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Trump also in this screed going after the press and our first amendment rights, uh, throws a statistic, 97.6% of the stories published or written by MSNBC and CNN, according to him, were negative against, against him.

Now that's very specific.

Does that matter throwing kind of numbers like I mean it seems like you all we did some research and when he throws a number up does that

Help his cause or help another different cause what does that matter at

all?

It should matter to every American whether in lawsuit or not And it's the kind of thing that you add into the lawsuit right when you're describing frankly a talking complaint if you will Also you talk about the the references that he makes of course to violence in America being up That's to monster be wrong and in fact all you need to do is go across the street Mr. President to the FBI that publishes these numbers every single year in Virtually all areas not everyone

you all areas as we know well, violent crime continues to decrease.

Not to say that we don't have profound problems in some areas of our nation, but the overall statistics are just completely contrary to what you said, Mr. President.

All those kinds of things, you put those in the context of overall defamation lies, you're telling.

At a minimum, I'm hoping the media will file some Freedom of Information Act requests and say, OK, 97.7.

That's very specific, Dom, as you said.

We'd like to see the chart.

Show me the Excel sheet that provides them.

Let me get a sharpie, man.

I'll show you.

Right.

And that's where the media, once again, there's an awful lot to do.

That's the kind of thing that somebody needs to ask him about.

Or at least his press secretary.

Where does that information come from?

Where does that information

come from?

Of course, she'll take a person like she doesn't know how numbers work.

We also saw in the Kyren during the break the challenges to Donald Trump's executive order.

Apparently, we're up to 123 different lawsuit challenges against the directives of this president.

I mean, and they're very, they're very fine.

You talked to like, like Ron Johnson or any of the Republicans serve in the state of Wisconsin.

Oh, they're off to a hell of a start.

Look how fast we're moving on.

Well, yeah, but now you get 123 court cases.

There's a reason for that because you're overstepping your bounds in

most of those cases.

Absolutely.

And in the great majority of those cases, many of them, if not,

all of them in federal court.

We've got federal judges appointed by Democratic presidents and Republican presidents, and almost to a person they're saying no, Mr. President.

The 14th Amendment does not contemplate birthright, the elimination of birthright citizenship.

Mr. President, you do not have the authority to fire all of these people.

on and on USAID.

We can domestic funding, all these kinds of things.

We've just got judges on both sides of the continental United States last couple of days saying, no, no, you can't fire thousands of probationary employees.

These are people who are looking at the law.

And yes, there are preliminary decisions or TROs.

Maybe as some boy they come up to the Supreme Court and John Roberts will invoke what he did back in July and say, well, maybe the president's got that right.

But right now, when we do have federal judges who are enforcing the law, Senator Johnson, you're not being successful and you're being stopped.

The only question once again is, will this president follow the rule of law?

Or does he say implicit in what he's talking about today, I don't care.

I don't care.

I'm not going to do what some federal judge tells me to do.

That's when you have the constitutional crisis.

That's when Americans really need to be in the streets.

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Well, isn't the orange one illegally on the street?

I mean he's a convicted felon.

He's a convicted rapist.

Why isn't he locked up?

Yes, right.

Well, he was convicted as a civil.

Thank you for the call, Cindy.

And Cindy, I certainly broadly find myself in company with you.

That is, this is Juan Merchan, who should have sentenced Donald Trump

long before he was elected, not just because of that, but he was found guilty by a jury way back in May of last year.

After several weeks, Cindy, as you know well, a jury, unanimous jury, beyond a reasonable doubt.

And there was really no reason in the end to postpone and postpone and postpone that, that sentencing until Donald Trump was elected, until 10 days before he is sworn in and then impose upon him a sentence that really is a non-sentence.

But Cindy,

The solace we take from that is your point, which is we have a president who this day remains a convicted felon of crimes in the state of New York against the people of New York.

No appellate court to this day has overturned that conviction.

That's an important thing to keep in mind.

Yeah, yeah, I guess he's a felon, but it doesn't mean anything.

I mean, if there's no consequence to it, there's no literally zero consequence.

The only thing you lost is perhaps some time because he had to show up to court and he probably had to pay his attorneys a few bucks.

You know, he hates doing that.

That's the only consequence, man.

He got a way with it.

I can't believe those words are coming out of my mouth.

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Mark with the sack.

You're next.

Happy Friday, buddy.

What do you got for us?

Donald Trump doesn't just know who Lincoln is.

After all, he appointed her.

I mean, somebody just must have stuck a piece of paper in front of him.

And he just said, they said sign this here.

And he just signed with us and even knowing what it was at, which I had access like that.

Don't I don't write and checks off to me this bank account for God's sake.

And I wonder if, uh, if in his cases against, uh, the civil cases he lost, when he's going to finally pay up for that, because he can, he'd delay that forever.

I mean, at some point in time, somebody's just going to say, no,

Now it's time for you to pay.

Your appeals are done.

Pay.

Yeah, that's a great point.

Jim, do you know where we stand?

I guess the Eugene Carroll case

specifically, right?

Yeah.

And again, there are appeals pending as to that, right?

And so the judgment is, is stayed.

But Mark, you're absolutely right.

These are called enforcement proceedings.

And we saw that again.

They were making reference once again to Rudy Giuliani.

Um, after he defames those two hardworking, um, polling workers in Georgia, eventually there are enforcement proceedings.

And that's what you saw recently.

And he's obliged.

We don't know exactly what he does, but he's obliged to probably give up some property and some.

money there and at some point when these judgments become final again they're all civil judgments against him.

At some point they are and can be enforced and you can yes indeed seize assets and you can go after bank accounts all kinds of civil remedies that can in fact be pursued by successful plaintiffs against him.

Thank you for the call, Mark.

Have a great weekend.

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I'm going to dive into some of these cases.

The Trump administration must rehire thousands of fired workers, judges rule.

That's plural judges.

One on the East coast, one on the West coast.

I'm going to get into that as well.

And what does that mean?

Come back with us.

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Issues. Fascination and horror at the same time, right? A New York Times reporting that Trump admin must rehire thousands of fired workers, judges rule. Now this is a judge, uh, what? In Maryland, James Braider, U. S. District Court for the District of Maryland, and also, what? Some cat out in San Francisco as well. Right. William Also pisses. There we go. Northern California, both, both ends of the nation, Dom, as you observed.

Elsup giving us some good language here. He says it's a sad day when our government would fire some good employees and say it was based on performance when they know good and well that it's a lie. It was a sham he goes on to say in order to try to avoid statutory requirements. No, that sounds bad.

Right. I mean, yeah. Now, if I were to do that as an individual, I probably, I mean, what would happen? I'm going to be remanded by the court. Right. Exactly. Again, these are civil proceedings. So at least in America to this point, we don't jail people in civil proceedings. Who knows what the future may bring here. But when you receive in words like that, a judge is telling you that. That's the time that you sit back and think, gosh, maybe I need to rethink what I'm doing here because this is in going well.

Double down, baby, double down. And that's exactly what happens here. The judge also says, if it's done right, there can be a reduction force within the agency. And that has to be true. But you got to do it in the right way. Both of the judges are saying that. And frankly, every judge looking at this would say just the same thing. You can't do what he calls a sham thing.

The concern, once again, is will Donald Trump follow this, right? A lot of these folks from agriculture, many, many agriculture, VA, treasury, defense, energy, interior, all employees, probationary employees who are supposed to come back to work. What is the message to them? Probably the people in those agencies no longer have contact information. So how do we reach out to them as we've seen before?

It is just so over the top.

impossible to believe that we're doing this now inside the United States government. He's pushing every button. He's testing the electric fence. He's looking for the weak spot. According to the New York Times, the judge, Alsop from San Francisco, said he had hoped testimony from the officials involved in the fireings would provide clarity about the conception and execution of the plans. He excoriated a lawyer from the Justice Department for failing to produce Mr. Ezel and other potential witnesses as part of his ruling on Thursday.

is all subspecified, that the government would have to allow Noah Peters, a lawyer working with Mr. Mustine, who was detailed to the personnel office to sit for deposition in Washington about the impetus behind the firings. Here's what the judge said. You will not bring the people in here to be cross-examined. You are afraid to do so because you know cross-examination would reveal the truth.

And he's right on, man. They're like, no, we're not letting that guy justify. Cause of course they'll know that. I mean, if he testifies truthfully, he'll spill the beans on the whole thing. So no, no, we're just not going to do that. Absolutely. And again, this is a time when individuals, many of whom they're not just functionaries, but they're being told plainly to do this, probably against their, their better judgment and probably knowing that this is illegal. When you, when you get on the stand, you swear to tell the truth. If you say, no, no, no one ever told me this.

And there are probably emails and documents about this. That is a crime. That's called perjury, right? And the question is, do these people, as they come in, want to expose themselves to crimes? They want to lay themselves down at the altar. Well, because if you do what the boss says, you're going to perjure yourself. And if you tell the truth, they're going to rule against you. Exactly. And there is no clear path. You don't want to engage in the crime. That's very, very clear, right? That's the problem, once again.

Crime for the government to present to a judge. I mean, BS. I mean, what? No, they weren't. I mean, they're if they were to able to get this testimony and it came back and it was so very evident. Now, the judges, what happens in that case? Slap on the wrist. I mean, this is a ruse. This is a fraud. What are they talking about? A jam? Here's more illegal procedures called suborning perjury, right? And that too is a crime. And there are circumstances, again, typically in the criminal.

setting, but not always could be civil as well. If you as a lawyer, if you're a representative, you're in of an agency, a legal representative, and you're putting somebody on the stand knowing what they're going to say is false, you have also not only violated the rules of the court, you're arguably in contempt, but you're suborning, you're supporting the representations that you know are wrong. That too is a crime. A lot of people got to think about what they're doing here. Well, the way they fired them all was for performance.

Well, because the only way they could fire them legally and do it the way they did was to blame everything on performance, right? And so what you do then, what the plaintiffs in all these cases will do individually, they'll say, okay, wait, I'm a probationary employee. I've never gotten a review, or in some instances, some of these folks that before it said, wait a minute, I've got three month reviews. They said, I'm fantastic. Right, right. Deal with that. And that's why Judge Ellsberg was saying, bring it on. Let's have those people testify about what really happened here. They know there's that the emperor.

has no clothes. But there, I mean, these are just temporary orders, right? So there's, there's, there's a lot going on here. Let's see, according to the New York Times, also up again, this is the San Francisco, that ruling was a preliminary injunction intended to remain in effect while the case is tried. And a final decision is rendered. Raiders, the other Maryland ruling is even more short lived, just a two week measure aimed at pausing any more drastic cuts to those agencies while the lawsuit plays out.

Can the government, the DOJ, Trump administration in this case go in and try it out?

change their position. Cause obviously the judges aren't buying that this is a performance issue. Can they go back and try to, you know, justify somehow some way, uh, these, these fires? Cause they're trying to get around a statute, right? They are absolutely. And they're also addressing time, right? They've got to come up with something. An awful lot of people, I think who are probably burnings, maybe, maybe not. Maybe they're not burning midnight oil, trying to figure out what we do in front of the judge. But that's the part of this too. You want to figure out what is our best argument. Obviously these judges are not buying what we're saying. Can we find some probationary plan?

employees somewhere was a bad employee who would have been fired anyway. And we bring that one forward. That's not going to carry the day, but they're looking hard and fast for something, something what they should do, of course, is admit that again, there's no basis for doing this, reinstate all these people, put them back and do the individual performance reviews that would otherwise result in finding some people who are most people are wonderful. Some of them not so good. Folks are listening to the Dom Salvi show. James Santel sticking around for another half hour. We'd like to end the show. Tell us something good we love.

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So start by telling us something good. That'll be the last segment. Uh, one of our textures, uncle Tony from Columbus, he jumps in. I think you know what we're going to be talking about. Yes. Can Jim comment on the law firms? Trump is targeting being absolute colors by not fighting back. What?

It seems like it's all about the Benjamins instead of the law with these firms. Uncle Tony, I don't know if I agree with your premise, but counselor, what are your thoughts? Do you believe Perkins Cooey and these other firms are fighting back? I mean, they filed court cases, right? They absolutely are. And this is just a matter of getting the information correct. They've gone in front of a federal district court judge. Her name is Beryl Howell. We've talked about it before. She did a lot of sentencing of those January six folks.

Oh wait, they were pardoned by this president. But she is out there and she's not taking any of this. And so the attorneys from Perkins, Coe go in and they say, yes, indeed, this is having a dramatic impact on this. The president basically discouraging federal officials from interacting with the firm's lawyers. They can't get into federal buildings, shutting them down, communications shut down. And indeed, barrel Howell says you can't do that. She enters again, a temporary order. It's not permanent. She goes on.

to say, regardless of what the president dislikes the firm's clients, yes indeed, Perkins Coe used to represent a leader in American history and politics, her name is Hillary Clinton, used to be our Secretary of State, Senator from New York, regardless of whether the president likes the firm's clients, issuing executive order targeting the firm based upon the president's

dislike of the political position of the firm's clients or the firm's litigation postures is retaliatory and runs head-on into the well-established protections of the First Amendment. That's Beryl Howell. Can't do this. Stop it. Knock it off, she's saying, as do virtually all of the other federal judges who are addressing this sort of thing. Beryl Howell, again, standing up against.

this kind of oppression. You can't do this. And again, just because you sign a piece of paper, Mr. President, doesn't mean that it's legal, that it's constitutional. Thank goodness we've got judges like Beryl Howell and others who are saying no.

along the way, also invoking some interesting literary aspects of this. You'll permit me one of those along the way. She talks about Alice's Adventures in Wonderland. The judge did. The judge does this, right? And she does this from the bench. Adam and Jess, I know you've got your copies at home and you make reference to these routinely. She talks about the Queen of Hearts, who in Alice's Adventures in Wonderland, at the slightest inconvenience

She says the judge says would say off with their heads off with their heads and she compares our president to the Queen of Hearts Inconvenience by all this and saying off with their heads. No, you can't do that That's a judge making the point as clearly as you possibly can Queen of Hearts. I was thinking of juice Newton, you know um Queen of Hearts that that I mean that's

That's telling. She's putting him in his place. She had other derogatory things and other rulings saying against him, but referring to him when he calls himself or puts images out there of himself as a monarch and so forth.

I guess a little bit here I wanted to share with the folks specifically. The law firm said that the implications for the executive order Trump signed had significance beyond one law firm as it was, quote, an affront to the Constitution and our adversarial system of justice. Its plain purpose is to bully those who advocate points of view that the president perceives as adverse to the views of his administration, whether those views are presented on behalf of paying or pro bono clients. The suit added that

Perkins Cooey cannot allow its clients to be bullied, apparently saying that the order has already hurt business resulting in, quote, significant lost revenue and harm to clients, it claims, in its complaint. What a disaster. What a catastrophe, right? Again, not only for this firm, but it sends a message to any other firm out there, right? This is the deterrent in the wrong direction. This is negative deterrence. You take us on. You file challenges to the things I'm doing. You represent clients I don't like.

I'm going to announce to you, I'm going to identify who you are. Now you can't get in the building to do the meetings. Exactly, right. They're dropping them left and right because they've got to be able to, they can't do it. Right, right. The General Service Administration obliged arguably to enforce the rules established by this president and it sends once again the chilling message on a day that we're also talking about attacking anybody, talking about the media, lawyers also. Anybody who,

In Donald Trump's view, articulates, if you take supposition contrary to his, those people are not only contrary to what he believes, and that's okay, but they're also acting illegally, illegally, unconstitutionally, and their conduct is so bad, I need to issue an executive order to stop it.

once again, the cynicism dripping from all of this because he thinks somehow Americans will think that that's somehow proper, that that's somehow an invocation of cynics. Well, sooner or later they'll come after you, yo. You know what I'm saying? I mean, come on, man. It's the media. It's individual norm eyes, then, or it's Perkins Cooley, or it's a federal worker, or it's LGBT, or it's pretty much anybody, not Donald Trump and those that kiss his ass, are targets. And now it's not just, you know, truthing out some social media.

That's just, it's got the force of the executive office behind it.

but this is from Henry VI part two. This is Dick the Butcher. He and his henchmen, Shakespeare of course, are planning to overthrow the king, right? And what he says, those infamous new words we all know, the first thing we do, let's kill all the lawyers. Now it's the product of the predicate for an awful lot of lawyer jokes. People get that wrong. What Dick the Butcher is saying is, we need to overthrow government, we need to become authoritarian, overthrow the king.

How do we do that? We get rid of the people who are in our way. Those are the lawyers. Dick the Butcher wants them gone so that he can take control. I would offer that Donald Trump may or may not be the Queen of Hearts, may or may not be Dick the Butcher, but in both circumstances, wildly, wildly illegal behavior on behalf of our president that is in the nature of bully. Absolutely.

Dick The Butcher, Henry the sixth, part two, first thing we do, let's kill all the lawyers. That's what Donald Trump is saying today. I can't help but think of Dick The Bruiser, the professional wrestler and former Green Bay Packer. But Dick The Butcher, going after the attorneys, the lawyers like this, I mean, does that help his cause? I mean, if you want to break down the fundamental structures of this country,

If you get rid of all the lawyers, who's gonna fight you in court? If you get rid of all the intellects and the professors and all those damn teachers, then you can dictate and how education must be and stand for this.

and kneel for that. You know what I'm saying? You're going after all your adversaries, one by one, one by one, and pretty soon there's nobody left. You pick them off, you pick them off, and maybe go after federal judges as well, right? They're already trying to or suggested impeaching some of these federal judges because they voted and they've ruled against this administration. I mean, how is it that anyone that follows this administration or is a Trump fan thinks that everything he does?

is proper and good and for them. And all of these people, imagine the nature of this conspiracy, right, Dom? That you've got federal judges, you've got lawyers, frankly, or adversaries between themselves on a regular basis. They've all gotten together agency heads, people in personnel, people across the board, private sector, public sector, all these people, the former US attorney in the Southern District of New York, people in public integrity section, national security division, all these people have gotten together.

and illegally without any foundation are attacking this president. What an amazing, amazing conspiracy that is among all these people across our nation. Donald Trump is an advocate for, for, for, for our believing that conspiracy. Oh my goodness. Poor guy. I mean, president victim over here. I mean, maybe you don't do the crime, and then you won't be having the investigations. 855-752-4842.

Um, uncle Tony, he shims back in. Thank you, uncle Tony. He said, thanks for the update. Uh, was this new because everything I've seen and heard until now said they weren't doing anything. Sorry about that. Uh, this was from, I guess the 11th. So a couple of days ago, three days ago, Tony. Uh, and I mean, it's not done yet, right? This is just starting and Tony to, to, to support your again, I, we appreciate. So tremendously focused. It's a lot, right? Even when we were preparing for this.

wonderful broadcast, lots of things to keep in mind. And so the information of yesterday is overtaken by more outrage and more behavior, more conduct.

today and tomorrow, so it's happening very quickly. It is, but you know what? We can do this. We can do this. We can keep it all straight. Absolutely. We'll keep it straight. We'll keep it easy. We'll keep it fun. We'll keep you informed. And we'll keep taking your calls and your texts, 855-752-4842. Andrew, from Maine, just imagine if the prior administration issued the same order against the firms and attorneys representing Trump in his various cases. Great point, Andrew. I think they would cry.

Foul from the rooftops absolutely absolutely and and Again, thankfully we have had a president in the prior term who never even came close to that all these kinds of things Even today's event that started off this broadcast Joe Biden Understood that arms length relationship and talked about the big picture issues But even it went so far as to permit and I recognize that the callers are going to be jump all over this

permitted the Department of Justice through a special counsel to indict his own son. And yes, indeed, we can disagree and we can have disagreements about whether the pardon of that was proper or not. But the reality is, do you think for one moment that Donald Trump would permit Pam Bondi to indict any of the Trump children? It would not happen, simply would not happen.

eight, five, five, seven, five, two, four, eight, four, two Mark Chimes in or in the vein of Henry, the second saying, Oh, won't someone rid me of these troublesome journalists? There you go. Let's get to Ed from Cadot. Welcome, Ed. You are up. Happy Friday. Welcome. What do you got? Hello, Ed. We got it. Yeah. Hey, you're on the radio. Ed. Welcome. What do you got for us? Hello? Yes. You're on the air. Oh.

I'm Cornell from Merrill. This is a book 1776 by McCulloch, and it was a great line in the book. And he said, Thomas Jefferson said, you have to have free speech in the Constitution, or I will not sign the Constitution. So it shows that it is so important that we have the free speech.

In our country and this is the book 1776. It's a great book about the Revolutionary War All right, I man appreciate it. Yeah reliable history We read the First Amendment in the the last hour Before we move on to the next segment telling us something good folks the the freedom of speech does that does that also apply to you know

International students with legal green cards in the state in this country, right? The answer is yes the Supreme Court has said repeatedly that the protections of our Constitution including the Bill of Rights all the articles and and all of its all of its very very important

support of fundamental rights. They protect not just citizens. We forget this sometime, but people who are here, residents who are here, all of those things. That's why people who are not citizens can go into our courts and have their rights supported as well. And there are all kinds of processes. And yes, there can be different standards administratively for how these things are administered by ALJs and others. But the reality is the protections, including those of the First Amendment, apply across the board to anyone who is here. That's the grander. That's the glory of our nation for Tunisia.

50 years. But the students don't sit in a holding cell in Louisiana waiting to go to court. Perhaps I think we said what next week. Right. Right. And so again, a judge will presumably look at this and say, show me the probable cause to believe that this person has engaged in crime. Again, we don't incarcerate people in this country. Absent probable cause to believe that there's been a crime committed. Right. And so that's what the hearing next week will be all about. The government's got to come forward and say that advocacy, whatever you think

about it somehow is committing a crime under our laws against our one hour against our foreign policies so we have a student an adult student mind you who protests against our foreign policy decisions and they're not a

not a full citizen. They're only here on a legal green card that they can just be whisked away. Is that, is that the world we're living in now? I certainly hope not, James. And apparently it's, it's what our president also says about these kinds of things. Folks, you're listening to the Dom Salvia show one final segment, James Santel, just PS. Tell us something good. It's Friday. I know you got some eight, five, five, seven, five, two, four, eight, four to come back with us.

Yeah.

And welcome back to the Dom Salvia Show.

Last segment of the day, if you got something to say, hit us up right now on the lines or the text, 855-752-4842.

But we got a little rule in this segment.

You can ask your questions, make your comments, but you got to start out by telling us something good.

That's right.

Tell us something good.

Just loves it.

We love to send you off on the weekend telling you something good.

So let's get to it on the lines, textures, you know.

Callers always come first.

Whisko Paul, you are up.

Happy Friday, Paulie.

Tell us something good, buddy.

Hey, great show today for number one.

Thanks,

man.

I learned a lot about democracy.

Yeah, it was an awesome show.

You learned a lot about democracy.

But something good for me is Sue Crawford was great at the debate with Brad Chimmel, which in my mind is

which in my mind is awesome for democracy and fair maps in Wisconsin.

So I, uh, that's my great thing for today.

Anyway, you guys are great.

Awesome.

Bye.

All right.

Thank you.

Let's go.

Have a great week, man.

Appreciate it.

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752-484-285575 Civic Tony.

One good thing about Trump is he gives us lots of opportunities to learn civics.

The

cup is half full.

I'm sure that was his intent, Tony.

He really is an educator at heart.

That's what this is all about.

We're all going to get a test at the end of this term and determine whether or not we've listened to him along the way or not.

What was it you said to me, Dom, today when you came in today?

We all have the opportunity to be educators to teach people what to do and what not to

do.

That's right.

And you remember.

I didn't see you talk to me.

Hey, you know, Trump ain't got, uh, so crates doesn't have anything on Trump.

It's soccer.

I did a

bill in Ted for

everybody.

I don't want you thinking.

I don't,

I don't know what the, the, the mega is going on.

They're saying so crates.

Um, how about you, Jimmy?

You got something good in there?

I do.

Absolutely.

And so we know that this coming Monday is St.

Patrick's day, right?

Right.

And I've talked before about some of the good things that sometimes go on in Washington, DC, lots and lots of things going on there, including.

kids' days, festivals, families, kinds of things.

A couple of them caught my eye because it struck me as, again, a celebration of the heritage of America, our diversity, and especially our Irish residents of Irish heritage.

We've got, for example, you can go to DIY crafters.

You can zip and you can script at St.

Patrick's, I'm sorry, St.

Patrick's themed workshop.

The course is an introduction to modern colleagues

Calligraphy appointed dip pan and ink you get a nibs ink paper and other tools You can celebrate St.

Patrick's Day by learning calligraphy and a second one if that's not enough You can also go to the DACA beer garden.

They're hosting a not only a scavenger hunt throughout Washington DC, but also a murder mystery Does it get any better than that in America?

We celebrate St.

Patrick's Day and all of our residents our citizens of Irish heritage those in

other ways.

Is there any green beer with the calligraphy?

I'm guessing there probably is.

It is St.

Paddy's Day.

Everybody's Irish on St.

Paddy's Day.

How about you,

Jess?

I think great you want to share with the audience.

You know what, Dom?

I don't think I've been able to share something good all week.

All what?

Because we've had so many people calling in and sharing.

That itself is something pretty great.

It is.

However, over this past weekend, I had lunch with my parents, my sister, and her partner.

And just for over two hours, we sat and we laughed and it just was a warm, happy moment.

We hadn't gotten together all five of us in a fair amount of time and just setting aside that time and just being.

goofy and laughing and making gentle fun of each other in public.

It was a great,

great time.

Missing only calligraphy.

That's the only thing that was missing, right?

I mean, there was a little bit of making fun of handwriting.

Does that

count?

Yes.

Okay, perfect.

Curse of must learn.

Curse of eight, five, five, seven, five, two, four, eight, four, two.

AJ from Madison.

He chimes in.

I saw the full moon the other day and was struck with the happiness and the thought of not being able to gaze at it, unlike the sun or the eclipse like Donald Trump did on camera.

I thought of you guys and the tell me something good segment.

All

right.

Thank you, AJ.

Len from Madison, something good would be a vote for Robin Hood.

Take from the rich and give to the poor.

Yeah, we could tax them a little more.

That'd be great.

Can we stop doing the opposite?

Yeah, let's do that, Len.

I like that idea.

All right, I'll tell you something.

I got a chance to hang out with my buddy, Fancy Brian, last night.

Oh,

man, we went to Kegels Inn.

They had a beer tasting in the big tent and went around.

And I just stuck to the booze.

But Brian, he partook and we learned a lot about lots of European beers.

It was great to catch up with our old friend, a former producer.

So it was great to see him as well.

Next week, St.

Patty's Day on Monday, my daughter's birthday.

What are you doing?

How are you celebrating?

Well, we're going to families coming over on Sunday this Sunday, and we're going to kind of pre celebrate.

She's home from school and her boyfriend and the family and my brothers in law and hang out at the house and have a lunch and catch

up.

Is this the big 20?

She's 20.

Oh my.

Oh my.

You

believe my

baby girl is 20 years

old?

Wow.

I know.

Hey, look at me.

How's that even possible?

That is amazing.

Yeah, you were 5.

12.

So looking forward to that on Sunday, of course, is he busy?

Her birthday is going to be on Monday.

So we're going to have a great weekend.

And of course, next week, I mean, St.

Patty's Day, you know, nothing's getting done on Monday.

I

know all you folks out there.

You're going to try.

You're

going to pretend.

Oh, I think I feel a cold coming on Monday.

I'm sick Monday.

Hey I've got a scavenger hunt to go to in Washington, DC

Learn that calligraphy Jim.

Hey folks.

Thank you so much for listening to this fine program Thank You James Santel

former US

attorney and host of amicus a law review be sure you check him out on Saturdays 9 to 11 a.m.

He takes the calls just like we do Loves it when he gets challenged a little bit

give Jim a call and hang

out with us.

Thank you.

Just ps.

Have a wonderful weekend Thank you for all that you do and our fair

audience.

You too.

Have a great weekend.

We'll be back on the air on Monday with our favorite Delano Democrat Harvey Cain.

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Broadcasting across the state of Wisconsin on the Civic Media radio network and around the world on the Civic Media app. This is the Dom Salvia show. And now here's your host Dom Salvia. And welcome to the Dom Salvia show. Happy Tuesday. Happy Tuesday to us all. Thank you for listening. You can be a big part as always 8 5 5.

seven, five, two, four, eight, four, two. That's eight, five, five, seven, five. Civic got just PS working hard on the board. Some sound today. We got some good sound today. We're going to play for you. Fine folks. How we have attorney general Josh call.

You know, when he was elected, he beat Brad Shimla, I believe, right? That's in 2018. Yeah. So he, he has some opinions on the guy who wants to become the next Wisconsin Supreme Court justice, certainly going to go there as well. Also, Angela Lang, executive director of black leaders, organizing for communities block.

She's going to join us at five o'clock. She had a piece out at the recombobulation area at civic media talking about how these Supreme Court races have evolved over time. A little history with Angela. We're going to go there as well. Love it. When Angela comes around looking forward to her in the happy hour, five o'clock with Ms. Angela Lang.

And, and of course just the seesaw back and forth of whatever is going on here with his president. Trump was out there selling cars today at the White House. Man, feeling very bad for Elan since, you know, he's been treated very, very badly by.

by some people who just don't see him as a patriot. Illegal boycotts. What are you even talking about? How is a boycott illegal? How is not buying something? You must purchase a Tesla. Anyway, so yes, Donald Trump publicly stating how concerned he was that the Tesla stock has dropped 45% since the beginning of the year.

No, but he personally subsidized it. You're right. Go ahead. What do they call them? The swastikars. Don't say that. I know it's terrible.

So yeah, Donald Trump's out there selling cars today, but the, the story of course, as we led it yesterday and we're going to go there again today, closing bell markets, having another rough day. And I know we've, we've had this discussion, you know, when does, when does the economy become, you know, this administration's economy? When does it practically, not when Donald Trump's, you know, continues to, when he'll ever stop complaining about it, he won't never, but practically speaking. And I think we're certainly there.

if the actions or inaction by a president is literally impacting the market that day, if the government fireings are literally impacting job loss for the month, which they are right now. And it didn't so much last month, but they certainly will this month. Well, I think as these to say around the campfire, if you, if you smelt it, you dealt it. And I think this is, this is now certainly at this time of Donald Trump's making. This is the

Trump session, the Trump administration's, uh, market as it stands right now. If you think I'm wrong, you know, tell me what your criteria is, how you measure, how you gauge. I gave you mine. Give me yours. Eight, five, five, seven, five, two, four, eight, four, two. Uh, CNBC is now reported in the S and P slid in a headspinning day for traders as they digested new tariffs proposed by Donald Trump that were still in flux as of Tuesday afternoon. Yeah.

No, the market is closed too. Now after the close, apparently before the close market. So Trump.

putting these tariffs on Canada and all this. And I mean, and then a Ford from Ontario responded because they sell electricity to some States, you know, put a tariff on that and all Trump freaked out about. So instead of the 25, I'm going to raise it to 50. I see a 25 when I raise your 50. So he goes to 50% and everyone, a very blustery. Well, apparently they had a conversation. They're going to negotiate and Trump will, he rescinded now the 25% still going to be at 25, but not the 50.

Right. Right. So it was at 25. That was set up weeks ago. Then just randomly, oh man. So it's another 25. And this reminds me of the attitude of Dr. Evil when he wants his money. $100 billion. Everyone's laughing. This is 1950. We don't even have that kind of money. You know, it's just, cause he just throws numbers out there. And why, why, why Fitty? I mean, if you're going to go back, why not a hundred? Why not a thousand percent? I mean, a bazillion percent tariff. It's going to tariff it.

That's what I'm saying. If you're going to rescind it anyway, may as well really go to the edge. Right. We want to, we want to shake things up. Let's really commit to the bed. That's what I'm saying, man. Come on. Stop being a was about a Trump as a CNBC continues. The trade policy uncertainty has brought the benchmark again, the S and P 500 to the brink of a correction, which is defined as a decline of 10% from its high.

Now the S and P ended assessing 0.76% lower at its low of Tuesday's session. The index was below the record, 10% below the record close. So it did dip into that 10% that correction area, but some buying pulled it out of that, but still very close.

the Dow Jones industrial average lost 1.14%. The NASDAQ down 0.18%. The S&P 500 was in the green at one point during the trading session before Trump declared on true social that Canadian steel and aluminum duties would double to 50 from 25% effective Wednesday, starting Wednesday. The president made the move in response to, of course, Ontario premier Doug Ford's a surcharge on electricity imported to the States. As we mentioned,

Now, later in the day, Ford said he was temporarily suspending the 25% search hours. The Canada's 25% search hours on the electricity exported to the S Ford has suspended that as well. After talking with Commerce Secretary Howard Lutnick shortly before the close of trading, Trump indicated he may reduce the tariffs on Canada, which apparently he did do.

This is the latest in a series of disorderly trade policy moves that have rattled corporate and consumer confidence and weighed on Marcus over the past three weeks. CNBC. It's a nice way to put it. Disorderly trade policy. Disorderly trade policy. That makes it sound so like there's a plan. Trade policy implies 50%, 25%, not throwing things at all. One billion percent.

I did do a little bit of the checking out the finance.yahoo.com. I like their interface on the markets. Looking back over the last month, according to Yahoo Finance is a Dow over the last month is down over 7%. The S and P 500 over the last month is down over 8%. The NASDAQ over the last month is down 11.24%.

The Russell is down over the last month, 11.55%. That's over the last month. This is, this is the mega economy. This is at least the mega market. So let's put it that way. And I think we're going to see some inflation numbers coming out this week. And of course we'll see continued reports as the time goes on.

Now, is this, when you were looking around, was this a continued slide? Was this something that was already happening in the months before or is this new? Oh, no, it's new. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. It's new. You can tell by the chart. So I'm sorry. I'm going to do it right now while we're doing this here as we look at the Dow Jones industrial average. So, you know, the five days down two and a half percent, the one month as mentioned down 7.09% year to date down 2.6% one year.

the one year year over year up 6.87%. So when you start, when you throw in, you know, some of the better girls in the past, the five year up 75%. So these are, these are very definite specific, you know, and again, this, I don't want us to tell you that this is entirely because of the actions.

of, of this erratic president MSNBC, you know, certainly consider the source Steve Benham reporting throughout the 2020 presidential election. Trump repeatedly delivered a scary warning to the electorate. If elected, Joe Biden would cause an economic collapse. He can come as the demagoguery. Was it based on anything real or substantive? You just hope to scare voters into reelecting them. And I guess it worked.

In fact, with just a couple of weeks remaining before election day, the two major party nominees faced off in their final debate, which included rather specific predictions. They say the stock market will rule. If I'm elected, Trump said, if he's elected, elected the stock market will crash. As it turns out, the Republicans had the right concerns, but the wrong presidents, the major Wall Street index has varied quite well throughout Biden's term in the White House, which at least so far is not the case for his successor.

We know what happened yesterday. We talked about it quite a bit as a Benin goes on to be sure markets can fluctuate for all sorts of reasons. Many of which are often outside the control of any one administration, certainly, but that's precisely what makes the latest downturn so politically potent. It's easy to draw a straight line between stock market turmoil.

Trump's agenda and his public rhetoric. Indeed, the major indexes sink. No credible observers are seriously making the argument that slides are unrelated to the White House, that this slide is unrelated. No one's saying that. Everyone seems to understand exactly who and what is responsible for significant losses.

In this game of clue, it was the president in the awful oval office with his trade tariffs and layoffs. Easiest came ever. Right. What's remarkable is that there's hardly any real news driving this. Paul Krugman said it's just investors belatedly realizing that Trump is who he is and always was.

Last week about market losses, the president blamed globalist countries and globalist globalists who see how rich our country is going to be and they don't like it. That was gibberish at the time and it's noticeably worse now. And stepping back, the problem isn't just that Trump is responsible for market instability. It's also the fact that he promised to deliver the opposite results.

Well, give him time. Maybe it spreads out over time. Right. Just give him time to settle in. Find his footing. Where did I hear that? All right. Right. That was eight years ago. When markets soared during Biden's presidency, the Republicans repeatedly insisted that was the major indexes were only up because investors expected Trump to return to the White House. It was part of a broader push, Trump told Americans, to see the stock market as one true metric that mattered more than any other.

Before his inauguration, the president of Valdey, Wall Street boom as NBC reported rhetorical push continued as his second term got under underway. This is what he said at an investor conference on February 19th, not quite a month ago.

When president Trump wanted to make the case for his first term success in an interview last month, he turned to the stock market, quote, I was very proud to have handed over the country when the stock market was higher than it was previous to the pandemic coming in. It was amazing achievement. And in his second term, he promised the trend would continue, quote, the stock market is going to be great. He told the crowd just 18 days after declaring that the stock market is going to be great. Trump appeared on Fox news and said, quote, can't really watch the stock market.

If the Republican is counting on the public not to notice the contradiction, he's likely to be disappointed. Yeah, man, I'm not great.

And as Krogman points out, what's the other news? I mean, some good news apparently. Perhaps Ukraine coming to the table wanting to do a deal. That'd be great, right? Everyone wants that. Wouldn't that help the markets, right? If you're thinking, no, this is just Donald Trump being Donald Trump. 50%, 25%, 50%, 0%. We'll negotiate. We'll see what happens. Nobody likes that. Oh, by the way, the one good side, the VIX over the last month.

up 68% the volatility index. That's where your money should be. But don't, don't take it from me. 855-752-4842.

back to the Dom salvia show, eight, five, five, seven, five, two, four, eight, four, two, eight, five, five, seven, five civic just PS working on the board. Got Earl Ingram co-hosting today. You can check his show out Monday through Friday, eight to 10 a.m. Thank you, Earl for doing so and coming around talking and wrap up the closing bell discussions as Kevin Bacon said in animal house, remain calm. Everything's fine.

Earl, uh, right here in the state of Wisconsin, we have, uh, we had a debate last night. We have an election coming up April 1st for a next, the next justice on the Wisconsin Supreme court, uh, Brad Schimmel, Susan Crawford going.

toe-to-toe last night, Earl. We do have some of this on one of some of the highlights that we're going to play for our audience, Earl, but I just want to get your sense of how you think that went last night. And what do you think is going to happen here in the next couple of weeks? So let me say this, man. You know, I saw or I listened to Brad Schimel or AKA Elmer Fudd. I heard him.

on conservative talk radio yesterday before the debate. And he was all in on everything conservative. You can't mistake me at being anything other than a shill for whatever the conservatives want and nonstop. But what happened to Donald Trump in 2020 was not right. And then when it was on television,

He was a change man. Oh He's he's reasonable. Oh, you can't hold me to the well, maybe other people didn't get this what I got to see or hear because I heard him on radio and Then on television he was a different guy. I can tell you Dominic whenever I see you I don't care how where it is or how long it's in between Dominic is always the same guy

Whenever you see me I'm always you have to be leery Absolutely, and you don't want that kind of person as a Supreme Court Justice because you don't know he's a chameleon You don't know who he's well. We do know who he's going to be But last night he tried to make it appear as though he was a moderate kind of guy and and balance and all those kind of things, but I will say this man

Crawford was man, she was strong. And man, it was so good to see. I had her on several weeks ago and I didn't know her at the time. And I didn't know she was a strong person and personality. But last night she showed just how strong her personality she was. Now she was up against a wimp.

So maybe that helped, right? It certainly does. You know, you make a great point. And I, I, I appreciate it. I'll take it as a compliment. I'll give you the same one back, man. As long as I've known you've been the same, same awesome human being that I met the first day. Uh, and, and I think that consistency is something that goes to character, man. Cause you know, you're not acting. I'm not acting. This is who we are. It's really easy for us. And for whether or not we're going to be speaking to what a conservative radio crowd, you know, the mega

crowd, you know, we're going to be the same or if we're talking to a television crowd, which of course would not be as, as, as partisan as right wing talk radio.

You know, it's the same, but not to you point out, not Brett Schimmel. Absolutely. Now we know what he says on the, on the recordings, you know, we'd already know that he's, he wants to be a support team for this administration. We know what it, based on his, his comments, what, what happened to Trump in 2020 was terrible when he lost an election. He, of course, he's suggesting that the, somehow this election was stolen from Donald Trump. Those kinds of, that's who, that's who Brad Schimmel is. This is a guy, Brad Schimmel, who left those untested.

rape kits. We played some attorney general Josh call, uh, recently here from video of his, uh, observations when he was running against Bradshaw. Bradshaw was the guy who, you know, spent thousands and thousands of dollars making up these.

Bunk stupid coins, K A E D kicking ass every day. And gave him up cause that's what he does. He kicks ass every day. If you ask him, I mean, if you got to sit there and tell people that you're kicking ass every day, maybe you're not really kicking ass every day. But, but don't, don't, don't take my word for it. We got one cut. We'll start with this and we'll get some other ones. Go cut one. If you would please Susan Crawford.

You know, I think a lot is at stake, the future of our state for our kids and our grandkids and the fundamental rights and freedoms of everyone in Wisconsin.

I've worked throughout my career to protect the rights of Wisconsinites and keep our community safe, first as a prosecutor at the Wisconsin Department of Justice, then as an attorney representing the rights of ordinary Wisconsinites in our courts, and now as a judge on the circuit court, where every day I make sure that I'm making common sense decisions, protecting the rights of the parties in front of me under our laws, and making sure that everyone gets their day in court.

be a fair, impartial justice on the Wisconsin Supreme Court and to protect the rights of Wisconsinites from that statewide venue. I think that is what this race is all about.

Susan Crawford, her opening arguments, her statement. Now we don't have time in this segment to come back with Brad Schimmel, but you got to stick around for it. Cause let me just tell you, he's very concerned, Earl, about the court becoming politically motivated. And he's gonna, he Earl, Brad Schimmel will be the one who is impartial and unattached to any other person or party. I don't know if I believe that Earl again, considering he was already

Cheerleading for the Trump administration wanting to be a support beacon for him.

That's got Walker appointed. Ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding. Come on, man. He was, he was attorney general under Scott Walker. And then, then he got, then he got the DEI promotion early. You know, if you middle-aged white guy failing up or Scott Walker on the way off the door, appoints him to a judge and Walker Shaw just so they could lay the groundwork for this kind of activity from Brad Schumer wanting to get himself elected to the Wisconsin Supreme Court. We'll let Brad Schumer.

for himself on the other side. Plus more of that sound. Stick around. I got Earl Ingram joining me today. Jess is on the lines as well. 855-752-484-2855-757. We'll be right back.

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Dom, salvia show, eight by five, seven, five, two, four, eight, four, two, eight, five, five, seven, five civic justice, working hard on the board, our pal Harvey K. Professor, a meritorious of democracy from the university of Wisconsin, Green Bay, joining me till the top of the hour. Don't forget, tell us something good. We wrap it up on a smile, a cherry on top and a positive note at the end of the show. That will be our last segment, the next segment. Uh, Harvey, as I was talking about before, uh, the, the last break, the

the goings on in the media world. Another one from the Washington post has departed. Let me just read a couple of paragraphs here briefly. If you would entertain me here, a columnist and associate editor, Ruth Marcus, and we quoted Ruth Marcus a lot on this show, announced her departure Monday saying she can no longer stay at the paper where she's worked for four decades after she and the chief executive and publisher will Lewis.

She said that Will Lewis, the chief executive and publisher, he spiked her column? Well, it was critical of Bezos' mandate to the opinion section. Here is what she wrote in her resignation letter. Jeff's announcement that the opinion section, while henceforth not published views that deviate from the pillars of individual liberties and free markets,

threatens to break the trust of readers that columnists are writing what they believe, now what the owner has deemed acceptable. More than 75,000 digital subscribers canceled within 48 hours of Bezos implementing the changes last month and opinions editor David Shipley stepped down.

over the order, a Marcus went on to write, Will's decision to not run the column that I wrote respectfully dissenting from Jeff's edict, something that I have not experienced in almost two decades of column writing, underscore is that the traditional freedom of columnists to select the topics they wish to address and say what they think has been dangerously eroded.

Of course, remember, Bezos blocked the newspaper from endorsing Kamala Harris for president. That caused 300,000 digital subscribers to cancel within days. And the Amazon executive has moved closer to Trump since the election. Finally, Marcus said in her resignation letter, I love the post. It breaks my heart to conclude that I must leave.

I have the deepest affection and admiration for my colleagues and we'll miss them every day. And I wish you both the best as you steered the storied and critical institution through troubled times, but don't say anything bad about the boss. Harvey K, the, the, the media in this, in this country is just taking a hit man. And I don't know, I don't think that billionaires owning the media is any better than billionaires owning the politicians. If we don't have freedom of press in this country, you know, by, by folks that are not.

encumbered by a billionaire's influence, we really don't have freedom of press. Yeah, and for what it's worth, let me go back a little bit in time. When John McCain's, John McCain, Senator John McCain warned us, and I rarely quote John McCain, but he warned us that the emergence of a dictator will be, the first thing we'll see is the loss

of a truly free press. He warned about that, and he had Trump in mind. Now, what Trump has been able to do, of course, he's lined up these, I know I joked about it before the break that, you know, there's little of loss amongst these billionaires, but it is the case that Trump has lined them up. We saw them at the inauguration. So I was shocked, though, when Bezos did what he did regarding, you know,

Vowing to Trump in his edit on his editorial pages insisting on what's it called? What do you say individual liberties? That's like like take us back to you know to this to the late 19th century kind of kind of stuff So that surprised me it I will tell you that I have had an online what they call the web subscription online subscription to the post

and I canceled mine as a consequence. Though in fact, apparently my subscription, I couldn't cancel for the next three weeks after I did that. So I still have been getting the news stuff. But it also surprised me what you just said. I had no idea Ruth Marcus had stuck around that long. I mean, it strikes me. I mean, I know people's livelihoods are at stake, but it is the case that if they're told, from now on, you're going to toe the line intellectually and ideologically and editorially.

I mean, that should have driven the whole cast of characters out, I would think. Yeah. Um, anyhow, to me, it's all very disturbing. The monopolization or oligopolization of the media is, I remember articles from when I was, you know, doing graduate work where people were worrying about it and got, and it's just gotten worse, obviously, over the past 50 years. But you said something very interesting. And I was, I, you said just before we went on to the break that civic media

is trying to represent another voice, another set of ideas, an open conversation. And I intended to say, I didn't realize you were going to say it then, I intended to say when we came back that there's a whole diverse array of folks who are trying to do that. And I brag, sorry, I'm not, I don't get paid folks. I do not get paid. I do this because I really enjoy talking with Dom and with Jess and letting people hear what I have to say. But I have to say that I think it's amazing.

what civic media is doing, especially in these moments. And I'm proud to be a guest on a weekly basis with you. So I'd say that as a compliment for what you guys do, and also for what people have done in putting together civic media around the state of Wisconsin. I'm out of the state, I tell people about this, they can't believe what's happened here in the state politically, but now hearing this, they think, wow, things must be happening anew there.

Yeah. And thank you, Harvey. I mean, it's always a pleasure to have you, man, and our friendship and our conversations have grown over the years. And it's been, it's been a whole lot of fun. And we wouldn't have this opportunity if we went out for the efforts of the folks here at civic media. And it's not all, you know, news talk. I mean, it's music and it's getting out and it's, you know, there's sports and there's things that are happening because at the end of the day, there's people in these local communities that are, that are, you know, interacting, but you know, there's not, doesn't have like the web presence of the Washington Post or the New York times or the LA times, you know what I mean? It's just, it's just a different.

level. And not to say that it's not as impactful, but when you, when you see these billionaires buying up these, these legacy newspapers and then just, you know, bending them to their will, I think, I think, you know, we, we as, as, as consumers of news and I, I get it. I can differentiate Harvey between the opinion piece and the news piece, you know, I'm not sure a lot of people can. So like Donald Trump, cause everything's crooked media. Everything's, you know, the bad press.

So I am concerned for, for us in this country because of that. And thankfully there are, there are organizations out there like civic media and though there's others out there as well, locally, like Wisconsin wants Wisconsin examiner, you know, urban walk, we got people that are, are putting stuff out there, cap time and you can go through the list. But they're, you know, when you're talking about the Washington post, it's just a whole nother.

level. A whole nother level. It's funny. I'm going to say something stupid right now. One thing that I've been reflecting on, I was professor, and I'm now professor emeritus of democracy and justice. And I was thinking, did I fail to properly get my colleagues when I was there to name our program and my position? Should we have called ourselves democracy and dictatorship? And not because we want to promote it.

But we should have maybe spend a hell of a lot more time talking about how it happens. Yeah. Yeah. Wasn't a Reagan who said, made some comments about, you know, it doesn't pass through your bloodline. You know, you got, you got to fight every generation. You got to fight for, for their freedoms and their, their version of democracy and every, every, every generation has those challenges, Harvey. And I think.

I blame the boomers, but I think we're, we're failing it now, man. Uh, when, when, when, you know, everyone's in their silos and it's hard to have these conversations. And we talked about, uh, earlier when, when Bernie Sanders came to town over the weekend, Harvey, uh, he was in Kenosha. She was in another, another small town, uh, thousands of people coming out on his, his anti oligarchy tour. Uh, and, and one of the, one of the pro Trump or Trumpers at Parkside in, in Kenosha was out there and he was, you know, pro

pro-Trump and was mad how everybody was slandering as his words were the president. And then he lamented that it was hard to have conversations with all people, you know, swear at him and doing all that. And I, while I disagree with the slander, I do agree. Yes. You know, these conversations are, are getting more and more, I think difficult for some folks to have. And I, I'm not clear how, how, how we, we, we engage without, you know, confronting.

You know what I'm saying? I mean, I'm down to have a conversation. But if you think, you know, doing the Nazi symbol is going to be ever okay with me, man, there's no explaining those kinds of things away. Look, their leader, Donald Trump, ended the possibility of good conversations when he referred to the whole cohort of democratic politicians who had the audacity in his mind to challenge him.

He promised he was going to prosecute them. And by the way, that may be coming. Let's be clear about that. That may well be coming. And it's also the case, and let's be clear, that if MAGA forces believe that Donald Trump won the election of 2020, how do you possibly have a conversation about democracy and the making of change? Yeah. Makes it very difficult, doesn't it?

And when we, when you're talking about alternative facts, because, you know, at the end of the day, a conversation communication requires an agreement of, of, of certain facts. You know what I'm saying? Otherwise you just bouncing around. So that, that's, that's the challenge. And I think unfortunately, you know, people like Donald Trump, who is a skilled hustler,

is able to manipulate people's fears and be vindictive. And he has his own narcissistic tendencies that people grab onto. And he can, he motivates them with the fear. And as, as it pertains to, you know, these other arrests coming, yeah, perhaps. And let me just segue, if I may briefly, the arrest of Mahmood Khalil. He is one of the Columbia protesters, a little reporting from the new republic.

This is what Trump had to say today. Following my previously signed executive orders, I proudly apprehended and detain Mahmood Khalil as that Trump puts it a radical foreign pro Hamas student at the campus of Columbia university. This is the first arrest of many to come. We know there are more students at Columbia and other universities across the country who have engaged in pro terrorist anti-Semitic, anti-American activity, anti-American activity. And the Trump administration will not tolerate it.

Many are, many are not students. They are paid agitators. Yeah. We will find apprehend and deport these terrorists sympathizers from our country, never to return again. If you support terrorism, including the slaughtering of innocent men, women and children, your presence is contrary to our national informed policy interests. You are not welcome here. We expect every one of America's colleges and universities to comply. Thank you. Thank you. Now this guy's here. Uh, he was arrested, returning to his home, despite the fact he has a green card.

Ice initially informed his lawyer, Amy Greer, that they had revoked the student visa. When Greer brought up Khalil's green card, which would make it much harder to detain him. I said that was revoked to and hung up on her. He's now thought to be in an ice facility in Louisiana. Now this facility in Louisiana, according to the ACLU is pretty nasty.

He has now moved to the detention facility infamous for its rampant abuse of prisoners, including quote, this is from the ACLU. Restrictive five point shackles, prolonged solitary confinement, physical assault, sexual abuse, and denial of prescribed medications. That's where this Columbia student protester who Donald Trump is now labeled a terrorist, is being held as they revoked his green card Harvey. You know, there's something called due process. Yeah, you think? There used to be.

No, there has been. There has been something called due process. So in fact, in fact, if they're convinced that he is in some ways broken the law, then they should put him in a courtroom, not in a prison, not in a jail. OK. And as I think about Louisiana, they have a pretty infamous prison down there. I'm sure the question of how to incarcerate people ought to be explored more fully. I'm thinking of Angola, the prison down there. No, I mean, seriously, look, there were.

There are times when presidents issue executive orders that threaten rights and the Constitution. This kind of event where ICE can go out and arrest someone with a green card, pick them up and throw them in a prison without any due process, that's unconstitutional.

I wouldn't be surprised if there were mass protested campuses around there. There should be Harvey. And I think in some way this is what, you know, the president wants. I think he's eager to bring the hammer down for some reason. And there should be protests from students around the country. I certainly think so. I mean, come on. Where is the due process? And this is coming not from a local prosecutor, not from a DA or anything like that. This is coming from the White House. The president said, arrest that person. And they went out and arrested him.

That doesn't seem like probable cause to me. He has been charged with any crimes, let alone convicted of any crimes. I have a question to ask. Yes. I have a question to ask you in that same spirit. He was eager to bring an end to birthright citizenship. And I believe he issued an executive order to explore doing so. Did he actually issue an executive order to stop it? Hmm. Come back with us. We'll figure it out. 855-752-4842 and tell us something good.

Hey, welcome back to the Dom Selvia Show. Dom's off today. I'm sitting in. I'm Matt Rothschild.

Late of the Progressive Magazine and late of the Wisconsin Democracy Campaign. It's supposed to be retired, but I'm still going. And I'm here with my usual co-guest host, Angela Langham-Block. It's great to be with you again, Angela. And I appreciate that you're somehow retired, because that means we could keep doing things like this. It's not going to last forever, but it's going to last a bit. You know, I thought I could sneak away, but then seeing Trump lurk on the national stage, just too much for me.

Anyhow, we only got a few minutes left on the show because we're cutting to an event at the Overture Center in Madison on the stakes of the Wisconsin Supreme Court race. This event is sponsored by Up North News in association with Civic Media. We'll be running it on the Civic Media Radio Network. There are great people on the panels, including State Senator Kelder Royce, representatives Francesca Hong, Representative Moore Omakunde, Representative Christian Phelps, and the moderators.

You all know them. If you've been listening to Civic Media, Pat Crichtlow of Up North News, who's on in the mornings, Civic Media's own Todd Alba and Dan Schaefer of the Reconbibulation Area in the course of Civic Media. Now we've got something that Jess brought into the Dom Salvia show, which is this closing segment. Tell us something good. It's a brilliant idea, really.

And when I'm on on Wednesdays, I always bring a poem too. I've got other things to say that are good, but let's go straight to the poem from Audre Lorde, one of the most amazing feminist activists, no longer with us, but she was an inspiration for many of us. And here's her voice. Her poem, A Woman Speaks.

and touched by sun, my magic is unwritten, but when the sea turns back, it will leave my shape behind. I seek no favor untouched by blood, unrelenting as the curse of love permanent as my errors or my pride. I do not mix love with pity,

nor hate with scorn, and if you would know me, look into the intros of Uranus where the restless oceans pound. I do not dwell within my birth,

nor my divinities, who have ageless and half-grown and still seeking my sisters in Dahomey, witches wear me inside their coiled clothes as our mothers did, mourning. I have been woman for a long time, the wear, my smile.

I am treacherous with old magic and the noons new fury with all your wide futures promised. I am woman and not white. The powerful voice of Audrey Lord, perfect for women's history month that we're in the midst of right now. I loved, I don't mix love with pity and beware my smile. Got a chuckle on that one.

something good. I just want to say what I've got good to report. I'm driving in to Civic Media today along John Nolan Drive with my windows open because it's 55 and sunny out and I hear the cry of the kill deer which is a kind of a sandpiper. There it is the very identifiable cry of the kill deer which is one of the first

shorebirds to return to Wisconsin every year. And I remember as a little kid, because I've been a geeky bird watcher since I was three. I remember hearing killed ears and loving them as a little boy. So for all the little boys and girls out there, that's what a kill there sounds like. Listen to it over the next week. They'll be coming back in droves. Angela, what do you got for us?

Yeah, I mean additionally with the the weather I feel like I'm thawing out a little bit I hibernate in the winter I'm cranky It's dark and cold and you know now that it's sunny and a little bit warmer. I'm feeling good. I have a

self care day for myself tomorrow. I'm excited about in a sneak peek is and I mentioned this a little bit yesterday. Block has a special guest visiting our office on Tuesday. And so we'll be sure to talk more about that and you can follow up on our social media to see who it is. One hint is that we nicknamed him our cousin because he loves us and we love him and he loves stopping by whenever he's in town. So

And out of town secret guest and out of town secret guest and he will be making his rounds and I said he so that partly gave it away All right. Well, we're looking forward to that a little intrigue a little tease I got something else that was really good And I commended to everyone and that is to get together with friends. You haven't seen her a long time I worked at the progressive for 32 years and for about 10 or 15

years. I worked with this group of three or four friends. We've remained friends. We were supposed to get together prior to COVID. We didn't get together through all of COVID. And finally, last week, one of them, Jody, here's a call out to Jody who said, I can't stand what's going on in this country anymore. I've got to get together with you. Let's go meet. We met at the Great Bakery in Madison on Willy Street. And Madison sourdough, there's a plug. And we just sat for an hour and a half.

over coffee and pastries, talking not just about the old times, but about the crisis that our country's facing, and how we gather the strength to combat it. And so I just want to urge all of you who are listening, you know, get back in touch with people you haven't been in touch with in person. It's great meeting in person. Recharge your batteries, get your energy back up, and keep the fight, because we need everybody in the fight right now. Thanks for listening to the Dom Selvy Show, Angela Lange. Thanks so much for being my co-host. Always.

Jeff, you're terrific. It's great working with you. And please stay tuned for this special live event that Civic Media is broadcasting with Up North News about the Wisconsin Supreme Court race. Have a nice night.