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five five seven five two four eight four two that's eight five five seven five Civic got just PS working hard on the board some sound today we got some good sound today we're gonna play for you fine folks how we have attorney general Josh call
You know, when he was elected, he beat Brad Shimla, I believe, right?
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Oh,
yes, in 2018.
Yeah, so he has some opinions on the guy who wants to become the next Wisconsin Supreme Court Justice, certainly going to go there as well.
Also, Angela Lang, executive director of Black Leaders Organizing for Communities, Block, she's going to join us at five o'clock.
She had a piece out at the Recombobulation Area at Civic Media talking.
about how these Supreme court races have evolved over time.
A little history with Angela, going to go there as well.
Love it.
When Angela comes around looking forward to her in the happy hour, five o'clock, uh, with Ms.
Angela Lang.
Um, and, and of course, just the seesaw back and forth of whatever is going on here with his president.
Trump was out there selling cars today in the White House.
Feeling very bad for Elon since, you know, Tesla has been
treated very, very badly by some people
who just
don't see him as a patriot.
Illegal boycotts.
What are you
even talking about?
Illegal boycotts.
How is
a boycott illegal?
How is not buying something?
You must purchase a
Tesla.
Anyway, so yes, Donald Trump.
publicly stating how concerned he was that the Tesla stock has dropped 45% since the beginning of the year.
He
personally subsidized
it.
You're right.
Go ahead.
What do they call them?
The swastikars.
Don't say that.
I know it's terrible.
Um, so yeah, Donald Trump's out there selling cars today, but the, the story of course is we led yesterday and we're going to go there again today.
Uh, closing bell markets having another rough day.
And I know we've, we've had this discussion, you know, when does, when does the economy become, you know, this administration's economy?
When does it practically, not when Donald Trump's, you know, continues to, when he'll ever stop complaining about it, he won't never, but practically speaking.
And I think we're certainly there.
if the actions or inaction by a president is literally impacting the market that day, if the government firings are literally impacting job loss for the month, which they are right now.
And I did it so much last month, but they certainly will this month.
Well, I think as they used to say around the campfire, if you, if you smelt it, you dealt it.
And I think this is, this is now certainly at this time of Donald Trump's making.
This is the
Trump session, the Trump administration's market as it stands right now.
If you think I'm wrong, you know, tell me what your criteria is, how you measure, how you gauge.
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CNBC is now reporting the S&P slid in a headspinning day for traders as they digested new tariffs proposed by Donald Trump that were still in flux as of Tuesday afternoon.
Yeah.
No, the market is closed now after the close apparently before the close market.
So so Trump
putting these tariffs on Canada and all this.
And I mean, and then a Ford from Ontario responded because they sell electricity to some states, you know, put a tariff on that and all Trump freaked out about.
So instead of the 25, I'm going to raise it to 50.
I see a 25 and I raise your 50.
So he goes to 50% and everyone, a very blustery.
Well, apparently they had a conversation.
They're going to negotiate and Trump will, he rescinded now the 25% still going to be at 25, but not the 50.
Right.
Right.
So it was at 25.
That was set up weeks ago.
Then just randomly, oh man, so it's another 25.
This reminds me of the attitude of Dr. Evil when he wants his money.
$100 billion.
Everyone's like, wait, this is 1950.
We don't even have that kind of money.
You know, it's just, cause he just throws numbers out there.
And why, why, why Fitty?
I mean, if you're going to go back, why not a hundred?
Why not a thousand percent?
I mean, a bazillion percent tariff.
It's going to
tariff it.
That's
what I'm saying.
If you're going to rescind it anyway, as of now, really go to the edge.
Right.
We want to, we want to shake things
up.
Let's
really commit to the bid.
That's what I'm saying, man.
Come on.
Stop being a was about it, Trump.
As CNBC continues, the trade policy uncertainty has brought the benchmark against the S&P 500 to the brink of a correction, which is defined as a decline of 10% from its high.
Now the SMP ended assessing 0.76% lower at its low of Tuesday's session.
The index was below the record, 10% below the record close.
So it did dip into that 10% that correction area, but some buying pulled it out of that, but still very close.
The Dow Jones industrial average lost 1.14%.
The NASDAQ down 0.18%.
The S&P 500 was in the green at one point during the trading session before Trump declared on true social that Canadian steel and aluminum duties would double to 50 from 25%.
Effective Wednesday, starting Wednesday.
The president made the move in response to, of course, Ontario premier Doug Ford's surcharge on electricity imported to the States, as we mentioned.
Now, later in the day, Ford said he was temporarily suspending the 25% surcharge, the Canada's 25% surcharge on the electricity exported to the US.
Ford has suspended that as well.
After talking with Commerce Secretary Howard Lutnick shortly before the close of trading, Trump indicated he may reduce the tariffs on Canada, which apparently he did.
This is the latest in a series of disorderly trade policy moves that have rattled corporate and consumer confidence and weighed on Marcus over the past three weeks.
CNBC.
It's a nice way to put it.
Disorderly trade policy.
Disorderly trade policy.
That makes it sound
so
like there's a plan.
Trade policy implies.
50%
25%.
Not
throwing things
at all.
100%.
1 billion percent.
I did do a little bit of the checking out the finance.yahoo.com.
I like their interface on the markets.
Looking back over the last month, according to Yahoo Finance is a Dow over the last month is down over 7%.
The S&P 500 over the last month is down over 8%.
The NASDAQ over the last month is down 11.24%.
The Russell is down over the last month, 11.55%.
That's over the last month.
This is, this is the mega economy.
This is at least the mega market.
So let's put it that way.
I think we're going to see some inflation numbers coming out this week.
And of course we'll see continued reports as the time goes on.
Now,
is
this, when you were looking around,
was
this a continued slide?
Was this something that was already happening in the months before, or is this new?
Oh, no, it's new.
Yeah, okay.
Yeah, it's new.
You can tell by the chart.
So I'm sorry, I'm gonna do it right now while we're doing this here as we look at the Dow Jones industrial average.
So, you know, the five days down 2.5%, the one month as mentioned down 7.09%.
Year to date down 2.6%.
One year.
the one year, year over year up 6.87%.
So when you start, when you throw in, you know, some of the better girls in the past, the five year up 75%.
So these are, these are very definite specific, you know, and it, and it's again, this.
I don't want us to tell you that this is entirely because of the actions of this erratic president.
MSNBC, you know, certainly consider the source Steve Benham reporting.
Throughout the 2020 presidential election, Trump repeatedly delivered a scary warning to the electorate.
If elected, Joe Biden would cause an economic collapse.
He'd come as the demagoguery wasn't based on anything real or substantive.
You just hope to scare voters into reelecting them.
I guess it worked.
In fact, with just a couple of weeks remaining before election day, the two major party nominees faced off in their final debate, which included rather specific predictions.
They say the stock market will rule if I'm elected, Trump said.
If he's elected, the stock market will crash.
As it turns out, the Republicans had the right concerns, but the wrong presidents, the major Wall Street index has varied quite well throughout Biden's term in the White House, which at least so far is not the case for his successor.
We know what happened yesterday.
We talked about it quite a bit as Benin goes on To be sure markets can fluctuate for all sorts of reasons many of which are often outside the control of any one administration certainly But that's precisely what makes the latest downturn so politically potent.
It's easy to draw a straight line between stock market turmoil
and Trump's agenda and his public rhetoric.
Indeed, the major indexes sink.
No credible observers are seriously making the argument that slides are unrelated to the White House, that this slide is unrelated.
No one's saying that.
Everyone seems to understand exactly who and what is responsible for significant losses.
In this game of clue, it was the president in the awful Oval Office with his trade tariffs and playoffs.
The
easiest
came ever.
Right.
What's remarkable is that there's hardly any real news driving this.
Paul Krugman said, it's just investors belatedly realizing that Trump is who he is and always was.
Asked last week about market losses, the president blamed globalist countries and globalist who see how rich our country is going to be and they don't like it.
That was gibberish at the time and it's noticeably worse now.
And stepping back, the problem isn't just that Trump is responsible for market instability.
It's also the fact that he promised to deliver the opposite results.
Well, give him time.
Maybe it spreads out over time.
Right.
Just give him time to settle in.
Find his
footing.
Where did I hear that?
All right.
That was eight years ago.
When markets soared during Biden's presidency, the Republicans repeatedly insisted that was the major indexes were only up because investors expected Trump to return to the White House.
It was part of a broader push, Trump told Americans, to see the stock market as one true metric that mattered more than any other.
Before his inauguration, the president vowed a Wall Street boom, as NBC reported, rhetorical push continued as his second term got underway.
This is what he said at an investor conference on February 19th, not quite a month ago.
When President Trump wanted to make the case for his first term success in an interview last month, he turned to the stock market, quote, I was very proud to have handed over the country when the stock market was higher than it was previous to the pandemic coming in.
It was amazing achievement.
And in his second term, he promised the trend would continue, quote, the stock market is going to be great.
He told the crowd just 18 days after declaring that the stock market is going to be great.
Trump appeared on Fox News and said, quote, can't really watch the stock market.
If the Republican if the Republican is counting on the public not to notice the contradiction, he's likely to be disappointed Yeah, man, I'm not great and they're there as as Krugman points out.
What's the other news?
I mean some good news apparently Perhaps Ukraine coming to the table wanting to do a deal.
That'd be great, right?
Everyone wants that that says wouldn't that help the markets, right?
If you're thinking no, this is just Donald Trump being Donald Trump
50%, 25%, 50%, 0%, we'll negotiate, we'll see what happens.
Nobody likes that.
Oh, by the way, the one good side, the VIX over the last month, up 68%, the volatility index.
That's where your money should be.
But don't take it from me.
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We're kind of reviewing the closing bell markets.
Haven't a tough time today, but as mentioned before, the break, the VIX, the volatility index up over the last 30 days, 68%.
Man, you know, of course we should have seen that coming, right?
I'm gonna go back in time.
One of the most volatile people ever
taking the reins at the country?
Yeah, not done.
Vick's down today, though, however.
So that was down.
So it was over 70% before today.
It was up quite a bit yesterday,
so.
Just a little bit more of the reporting here also from NBC News.
Trump made the stock market a marker of success.
Now he's hedging as markets dip.
I don't want to reiterate this because we've heard Trump talk all the time, all the time, all the time.
Today he's saying, oh, you know, Marcus go up and go down.
It'll be, it'll be an adjustment or whatever.
But, you know, it's amazing when, when, when the news.
benefits him, and this is him, but politicians, but we're talking about Trump right now.
So it's him.
Oh, it's all the greatest thing is because, you know, it's because of Trump.
Well, is it?
Is this then because of Trump?
Do you take the losses as well as the wins?
No, of
course not.
Shannon Pettypie is reported at NBC.
This was from, yes, actually last night after a very, very tough day in the Marcus last night, when Trump wanted to make the case for his first term success, he turned to the stock market quote, I'm very proud to have handed over the, over the country when the stock market was higher than it was previous to the pandemic coming in.
It was an amazing achievement.
Then he said again,
And the stock market is going to be great.
But of course we know what happened yesterday.
After stocks began a downward spiral the last week on fears of Trump's use of tariffs will tip the United States to new recession.
His tone has changed.
You can't really watch the stock market, Trump said in an interview that aired on Sunday.
If you look at China, they have a hundred year perspective.
We have a quarter.
We go by quarters.
So I'm very well.
Watch
the markets.
Don't watch the markets.
Tariffs, no tariffs.
Of course we talked about yesterday, but I haven't seen this one yesterday.
The stocks sank further, erasing all their gains since Trump's election.
That's going back to November.
S&P had its worst day since September and shares of technology companies were among the hardest hit as the NASDAQ had its biggest one day drop since 22.
Now the NASDAQ lost a trillion dollars in value yesterday.
Now, none of the more than two dozen posts on Trump's Truth Social account Monday addressed the market sell-off, a White House official downplayed the market moves in a statement to reporters.
It's what the spokesman said.
Since President Trump was elected, industry leaders have responded to President Trump's America First economic agenda of tariffs, deregulation, and unleashing of American energy with trillions in investment commitments that will create thousands of new jobs.
President Trump delivered historic job wage and investment growth in his first term and is set to do so again in his second term.
Gee, I must have missed that
one.
Yeah, so just don't watch the headlines.
Don't watch the news right now.
Don't watch the news.
Don't watch the markets.
Don't look at what's
happening.
Great advice.
There's no reason to fear.
Everything's fine.
Remain calm.
Kevin Bacon and Animal House.
Remain calm.
The White House cited several surveys showing improved confidence among business leaders.
Who ran those surveys?
Though the surveys were conducted before Trump imposed tariffs on Canada and Mexico last week.
Small detail.
I know I failed the class this semester, but I got a B last semester.
Can you just
carry
it over?
After Trump's first term, he frequently used the stock market like an EKG tracking the health of his presidency with posts like this.
Stock market at all time high that doesn't just happen exclamation point at rallies who would often cite the market and talk about workers thanking him for making them rich Because their stock portfolios were doing so well.
What was that one the the big strong men with tears in their eyes come out.
Thank you.
Thank
you, mr.
President mentally men
While the stock market has ups and downs during Trump's first term, including a dramatic fall at the start of the pandemic, it was largely on an upward trajectory with the S&P 500 index increasing nearly 70% during Trump's first term.
The market continued its overall rise during President Joe Biden's time in office.
On the eve of Trump's inauguration, when the S&P was up around 3% since the election, he referred to the increase in stocks along with other improvements in the economy as the Trump effect.
The Trump effect on the eve of his inauguration as things were going up.
It's the Trump effect.
Trump effect.
Is it?
Are we still having the Trump effect?
I do
think so.
I do think this is the Trump effect.
Everyone is calling it.
And I don't want to say this is to break a dose just but I'll say it anyway.
The Trump effect.
It's you.
You're the effect.
He said to the rally of supporters since the election, the stock market has surged and small business optimism has soared to record 41 points to a 39 year high.
Bitcoin has shattered one record high after another.
But as Trump's policies have begun to take shape in his first 50 days in office, some of that optimism from investors has reversed course.
The decline in markets accelerated last week when Trump carried through on the threat to impose that 25% tariff on Canada and Mexico to America's closest trading partners.
10% on China.
We know this.
Well, now Trump backed off of many of the Canada and Mexico tariffs days later, the levies remained on many products and he reiterated that more tariffs were coming in April.
On Monday, China imposed retaliatory tariffs on a variety of US agricultural products.
While Ontario's premier announced the province will begin charging 25% more for electricity to 1.5 million Americans.
Now that was reported yesterday.
The premier Ford has backed off of that as Trump has backed off and apparently they're going to start talking in this hole.
Canada, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's bullying Canada to become a state.
If you heard Trump today, we don't have the sound, you know, trust me on this.
When he was selling cars in the White House lawn with Elon Musk, he was saying that, well, you know, we can avoid this whole thing.
If candidate becomes a 51st state, they
become our 51st cherished
state.
All the
tariffs will go away.
And, and, and they're, Canada is very clear about their wanting to do that at all.
I mean, they just have elected a new prime minister.
They're not having it.
The premier of Ontario, he's not having it forward.
He's not having it.
People don't, that's not something.
And at the end of the day, and I've heard some of the Canadian folks get interviewed.
Well, if this was a, this is a continuation of the USMCA, which was a renegotiated NAFTA.
This was done under Donald Trump.
We are, we are right now, Donald Trump is raging over the way we are doing business under the terms of the USMCA, which would dictate by Donald Trump how we do business.
How about just, you know, go back to the negotiating table and hammer it out?
You did it last time.
What is the point of all this?
Oh, but the Vicks was up 68%.
Wonder if they had any idea who's playing that long game.
Come back with us.
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See you folks texting in, but you know, we take the colors, love the colors, but listen to some of the textures.
I mean, it's the topic.
You know, numbers are so boring, but it's good to know this.
Remember, because you remember how Donald Trump always and always, always, always compared everything to the market.
Right.
And then on this market goes south.
Don't look at the market.
Don't look at the market.
Don't go back.
If it goes back up and it won't go back up eventually, he'll be like, it's the Trump effect.
But this,
what's happening
now, this is also
significantly.
Oh.
It's all because of Barack Obama and the damn tan suit.
The suit.
Can you believe?
He wore a tan suit and now the markets are dropping like mad today.
I
liked that tan
suit.
He wore it well.
Yeah.
Some of the testers, Mark, I think he's referring to the action in the market today.
Sounds a lot like SpaceX's unscheduled rocket disassembly.
Oh yeah, that was the year.
What was it?
disorganized planning.
Oh, is that what it was?
I think so.
Yeah.
You got a new word for it.
Yeah.
My stuff just blew up.
Yeah.
Mm-hmm.
Sounds more professional that way.
Unscheduled rocket disassembly.
Len from Madison, deflation good except when it involves the stock market question mark.
Well, it depends on how you're playing it, Len.
You know, if you're betting it's going down, then you did pretty good this last month.
Uh, what else we got?
Why aren't the Dems calling it a zippy me, uh, name, name?
Like the Trump tariff tank.
Ooh, I like that.
Gotta name these things.
It's not the Trump effect.
It's the Trump tariff tank.
The Trump session, as folks are saying.
And we heard a lot yesterday about stagflation, not just me.
These are all the business mags and all those really smart business folks that really want to make money.
That's what they're there for.
And these kinds of games that President Donald Trump is playing is certainly having an impact on how people perceive the market to be and perception can become reality.
If people are concerned about a recession and they stop spending, well, consumer...
spending drives this economy.
And then throw on, you know, the variables of things that we cannot control like Donald Trump.
And God forbid something else goes on around the world that could be bad.
Well, man, those things can happen.
So yes, certainly concerning times.
And this is the Donald Trump economy.
Ed points out from Madison on Joe Biden's inauguration day in January 20 to 21, the Dow closed at almost 31,000.
uh, Friday, January 17, 2025 was the last business market day of Biden's presidency.
It closed at 43, 487.
Today the Dow closed at 41, 433 down 2000 in less than two months.
This is a total self-own by Trump and from Madison points out.
And again, I think, I think you're absolutely right.
This could be avoided at least to some degree.
And, and
As Krogman points out, there's no other news driving this other than the chaos in Donald Trump's White House.
That's what's driving it.
Now, we have some inflation numbers, I think, coming out tomorrow.
And my understanding, not going to be terrible.
Consumer Price Index for February's forecast is showing an increase of 0.3% for a broad array of goods and services on an annual basis that put the headline inflation at 2.9.
core inflation at 3.2%, moving lower, but still above the Fez 2% target.
Now, if that comes in, that's good, right?
We
certainly
do need some good news.
But that's good.
It's not great.
It's not bad.
It's better than what it could be, but it could be better, right?
It's not going to be helped.
by the chaos.
Well,
that's what I'm saying.
I think that's kind of a neutral, you know, I think variable that's going to come out, come out tomorrow.
Now, what happens in the future?
Of course, we don't know.
And that we'll wait to wait to see that.
But these are the kinds of things.
And we start getting perhaps earnings earnings seasonals to start coming out in the first after the first quarter.
We'll see how that goes.
As mentioned yesterday, Walmart's saying that they're going to be down.
We have the Fed in Atlanta, you know, expecting a 2.8% retraction in the first quarter.
Those are things that will certainly impact
And these, these self-owns, this effort by Donald Trump because he's doing the tit for tat.
And again, there's no reason for this.
He negotiated, renegotiated NAFTA into the USMCA.
And these
is the
environment in which we are now conducting our trade with our most beloved trading partners.
And he's got a problem with it.
But this is under your deal, man.
You signed this deal.
I get it, you want to change it now?
Okay, then bring everyone to the table and renegotiate it and do that stuff out of the light, out of the public, man.
You don't need to do it this way.
And it doesn't need to be on a whim.
Because when the leader of the country is making these decisions on a whim, people get jittery.
Yes, yes.
They get spooked.
There are consequences, even if it's coming from any president, even this guy.
Ali from Madison, she wonders if Canada becomes a state, do we get universal health care?
You know, maybe, because Canada's pretty liberal and if Canada, I mean, I could go that way, but I mean, there'd never be another Republican president again.
I'm just saying, so be careful what you wish for, Trump.
Right.
How many electoral votes would they get?
But I think it's more likely that they would lose their universal health care rather than us gaining it.
Well,
Would they get states
rights?
Would they be able to keep it?
What would happen
to their tax rates?
How many legislators do they get?
How are they
allocated?
If it's allocated like it is here, they'd help the Dems take over and then presumably we could get to that point with
presidents
Bernie Sanders.
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Tom from Jackson says I was going to buy an SUV, but I have changed my mind now saving my pennies.
Yeah, man, you know, that's that's the that's the concern of people starting to pull back and it's justified, you know, if you're concerned, you think there's going to be recessions, be less money in the future.
All people start to hang on.
They start to save and that's a good defensive move.
You get it.
It's a proper if you think those if you think some bad times are coming.
But again, it doesn't have to be this way.
Donald Trump could do his business in a different manner.
Like, like when he negotiated and renegotiated NAFTA, I don't recall, and maybe, maybe I wasn't paying attention or maybe I have to go back and look, but I don't recall this kind of public pressure and back and forth when that negotiation was going on.
I don't recall that.
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Who's your Bob?
You are up.
Happy days, Bob.
Welcome.
What do you got for us?
Hey, Dan, how are you?
Good.
Listening to you talk about his pronouncements on the economy and what he's going to do, I want to play poker with him.
I want to sit down across the table with a deck of 52 that no one's ever touched.
And I want to play poker with this clown.
I mean, I thought Western Union had gone out of business until he started telegraphing.
You can sit there and read the messages, man.
If you can't make money off him playing poker, then you don't deserve to pick up a deck of cards.
Thank you.
Who's your Bob?
I appreciate that.
I think Matt Rothschild might
have some
interest in that as well.
I'll get a couple of folks together, play some poker with the man.
Um, I, you know, I tend to agree.
I don't know that there's, you know, four dimensional chess going on
with this
guy.
Um, I think it's, it's.
an easier explanation for me would be straight up corruption or playing the VIX and they're trying to make some money.
I
mean,
I, you know, the constant banter about making America wealthy again, you know, imposing tariffs on other goods coming from other countries makes, makes the goods here cost more, right?
So if I buy an iPhone for 500 bucks and there's a
100% terrifying.
It's gonna cost me a thousand bucks now.
Uh-huh,
right?
Is that how it works?
That seems so it's inflationary pressure and that money's paid when it comes in.
It's paid at the broker at the border.
Right, and there's
been constant disinformation coming from this administration about what tariffs are.
We had the press secretary today trying to assert that somehow some way, tariffs are a tax cut.
Tax cuts!
So, so I want to be clear.
So my $500 iPhone, which is now a thousand bucks, that's a tax cut.
Cause my math said that that's an increase of a hundred and 500 bucks out of my pocket, not a tax cut.
And we do have some sound of this.
If you want to take a listen.
Yes.
If you would please.
Absolutely.
This is a AP reporter, Josh.
Boke.
Boke.
Sorry, Josh.
Uh, asking a question at the press conference today.
If we could just step back for a second, when President Trump last addressed the BRT when he was on the campaign trail, his big push was on tax cuts.
He's going there today as he's proposing tax hikes in the form of tariffs.
And I'm
curious
why
he's prioritizing that over the tax cuts.
He's actually not implementing tax hikes.
Tariffs are a tax hike on foreign countries that again have been ripping us off.
Tariffs are a tax cut for the American people.
is a staunch advocate of tax cuts.
As you know, he campaigned on no taxes on tips, no taxes on overtime, no taxes on social security benefits.
He is committed to all three of those things, and he expects Congress to pass them later this year.
I'm sorry, have you ever paid a tariff?
Because I
have.
They
don't get charged on foreign companies.
They get charged on the importers.
And ultimately, when we have fair and balanced trade, which the American
people have not
seen.
Oh, is that it?
We got any more?
Is that it?
That's it.
Okay.
Cause it went on to say she was very, very hurt that he was challenging.
Apparently she felt that question.
Hey, have you ever paid a tariff?
Felt that question was challenging whether or not she understands economics.
Oh, you know what?
I was like, you know what?
We do got that.
We do got that.
Wages
will go up, and our country will be made wealthy again, and I think it's insulting that you're trying to test my
knowledge of
economics and the decisions that this president has made.
Now we're giving a question to the
Associated Press.
Oh, you're so mad that someone calls you on your BS.
A tariff is not a tax on a foreign government.
If Christ, if General Motors has a plant in Mexico, General Motors is bringing, you know, it goes back and forth, apparently lots of time.
Well, the government of Mexico isn't paying that.
That's not coming out of Mexican government taxes.
I mean, that's GM.
They're importing the
vehicle.
And then ultimately gets passed on to the consumer.
It is not a tax on the government.
It's not a tax on the importer.
In this case, in my example is General Motors.
And General Motors then is not going to eat that.
They're not going to eat that.
They're going to pass it along in the form of an increase in costs.
Now, is it a tax as a tax is concerned as we would normally call it?
Well, no, it's not technically a tax, but it
may as well be.
It
is a
tax.
It's a tax on American businesses.
It's just that those businesses then pass it along to us.
So the, the, the press secretary promised she would never lie to us.
And I do challenge your economic knowledge if you're going to sit up there in front of the AP and the world and sit there and tell us that tariffs are a tax cut for the American people, the American people and the American consumers.
That is not true.
That is a lie.
And you promised you would never lie.
I'll never lie.
Brian from MKE, you're up.
Walker, Brian, what do you
got?
Hey, guys.
Yeah, you know, I've been thinking with the tariffs and all that.
It's kind of funny how, I mean, I understand tariffs and I didn't go to law school.
But the thing is, I think about like during Black Friday, when before Black Friday in the middle of November, the CEO of Best Buy said, well, because of proposed tariffs that are going to be coming down the line, we're increasing our prices now.
So does that mean that the $500 TV that I was going to get for $400 is not going to go back up to $500?
So where's my savings?
And then today, this morning, it's funny how Target, Walmart,
and Costco made the announcement that, well, because of Trump's tariffs, they're going into effect, we're going to have to increase our prices on most of our goods.
Hmm.
And then I love how Canada slaps back and says, well, you're going to propose 25% on our electricity.
Guess what?
We're going to, you know, slap you back with 50.
Yeah.
And they cut clear out that for certain states, depending on where you live and depending on how much of Canada is electricity you get.
But that's to increase the average bill by about $100 a month.
Damn,
Brian.
Well, thankfully, Ford from Ontario has paused that.
They are going to negotiate with the White House, which they should be doing anyway.
The hell, it was the art of the deal author who renegotiated NAFTA to the USMCA.
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Welcome back to the Dom salvia show eight five five seven five two four eight four two eight five five seven five civic.
Stick around top of the hour Angela laying the executive director from block the black leaders organizing for communities going to join us kind of preview what's going on with the Wisconsin Supreme Court race talk a little bit of the history and what some of that messaging is around that election.
Angela wrote a nice piece.
over at Civic Media's Recombobulation area.
She's going to tell us all about it at the top of the hour.
So looking forward to catching up with Angela.
Hope you stick around for that as well.
Got Jess Piaz working hard on the board.
And we just played some sound of the White House Press Secretary, Caroline Levitt.
apparently took very, very personal.
The fact that this AP reporter would challenge her.
Again, we don't have to play it.
I'll just say a tech tax.
Tariffs are a tax hike on foreign countries that again have been ripping us off.
Tariffs are a tax cut for the American people.
Yeah.
According to press secretary, Caroline, love it.
And we heard a little bit of that.
Oh, you know, you're challenging my test of my knowledge of economics.
Well, yeah.
Yeah.
When you don't know how to dribble a basketball, I kind of think you don't know how to play basketball.
I'm just saying, you know, I'm just looking at what you're providing me and making an assessment based on my knowledge of the game.
It's not soccer, sweetheart.
All right, but as mentioned, you're in the roster.
We're writing up this piece from today.
The Council on Foreign Relations and the World Economic Forum have said a tariff is a tax.
In fact, as the Century Foundation explained, most economists strongly disagreed that a tariff will be passed on as a bill to the country of origin.
You know, in a previous life.
We actually I was working for a company that brought in containers of marble and granite from overseas from other brokers And that that was and that was we went direct brought him in and he had to pay the bill at the border You know, we had a broker doing the transaction for us, but there it was I mean that that's just how it was and you know, it didn't get paid to
Italy or to South America, wherever we're bringing in the stuff, you know what I'm saying?
It got, it got paid to, to the government from us as the importer.
We were the ones paying for this.
It's an import tax.
The Atlantic's and Lowry told Nicole Wallace this quote.
So tariffs are taxes paid by American consumers.
They raise prices for American businesses and American households.
And American businesses and households were already suffering with high costs.
You can see that in egg prices.
You can see that in housing prices.
You can see that in childcare prices.
The Trump administration promised to tackle the cost of living crisis, the cost of living crisis, and this is going to make it worse.
Apparently, Nicole Wall played the clip and she commented, quote, I mean, she's a wash in regret and remorse and offense and she's either tragically uninformed or lying.
There's no economist that's been tapped to sit in Donald Trump's cabinet who would testify under oath to what she said, quote, tariffs are a tax cut for the American people.
Simply the opposite is reality.
The opposite is reality.
Yeah.
Yes.
Yeah.
eight, five, five, seven, five, two, four, eight, four, two, but, but fear not, we have our own elected officials going to bat for us.
Oh yeah.
And if you're wondering who I'm talking about, of course, our senior Senator from the great state of Wisconsin, Ron Johnson.
You know, he's very concerned.
He's concerned.
He's concerned.
He's so concerned.
He's so concerned.
He has lots of concerns.
Many, many concerns about many, many things, but not so much action.
Oh.
Oh, so he's thinking about the bat?
Very, very much so.
Very much.
A lot of contemplation of the bat.
Yes, yes, yes.
Of the concern, of the, very concerned.
Raw Story spoke, spoke.
He's there for me to say.
Was it Monday?
Raw Story spoke with Senator Ron Johnson, and he said he's concerned.
Didn't he say that last week?
Yeah.
Look.
The Canadians are nice people.
They're great people.
They're friends.
They're allies.
I hate to see this.
When asked if he thinks things have gotten worse, have to get worse before they get better, Johnson said he didn't know.
I'm not quite sure what the president's goal is here, said Johnson.
He hasn't revealed that to me.
Revealed it?
Like a, like a gender baby reveal.
You cut it to the cake and you open it up and look colors in it.
Red, green.
It's orange.
All right.
Instead, Johnson is turning to something he can control.
Spending, spending, spending.
There's not much I can do about this.
He said of the tariffs, except express concern, which I do.
And he knows my thoughts on this.
He noted he continued to voice those concerns.
Ah, thank you, Ron Johnson.
He's just like walking past the White House and just, I'm concerned.
So concerned.
I'm really concerned.
Really concerned.
Please, listen to me.
Well, what are you doing about it, man?
Nothing.
This is, okay, you're concerned.
This is an increase.
This is an increase in tech.
And it's not just on those specific goods, because let me tell you a little secret.
When all of a sudden, the price of a good goes up, and you're maybe your domestic manufacturer of that good, and you don't have to.
Well, but you're not gonna keep offering your product at the same price.
Well, everyone else is bringing their prices up.
I mean, if something costs eight bucks and now the guys bring it in and cost 10, why would you continue to sell yours at eight when you know the market, the other people got to pay 10?
Yeah, man.
So you're gonna force your, get a little extra money.
That's what you do.
So it is inflationary, not just on the folks that are bringing and have to pay the higher prices for, you know, for instance, Canadian steel.
Because the local domestic manufacturers are not gonna let that gap that extra profit Just go go to the consumer hells to the know if they raise their price to match the imported price Where are you gonna go?
You still gonna buy the good see what I'm saying?
opportunity costs, folks, eight, five, five, seven, five, two, four, eight, four, two.
All right, enough of the economics and, no, I think I'm a little bit better at it than Caroline Lovett, but not much.
Come up with us.
Angela Laying, executive director from Block.
Going to talk about those Wisconsin Supreme Court race.
Join us.
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Got just PS working hard on the board and our esteemed guest of the hour, Angela Lang, executive, executive director from the black leaders, organizing for communities block.
Angela, welcome back to the show.
Thanks for
having
me.
It is a pleasure.
The reason that Angela is appearing today, a column you wrote here recently at the recon population area, cherry pick cases, irrelevant narratives in the recent history of Wisconsin Supreme Court races.
And then the sub headline, whether through misleading arguments, frustrating.
questions on electability or problematic tough on crime ads campaigns for state Supreme Court have gone in a troubling direction.
Oh, indeed they have.
And seemingly Angela, since I've been paying attention, it's all gone downhill
a
little bit.
Let's start.
What was your motivation for this piece?
Obviously we have an election coming up here, April 1st.
What are you trying to accomplish by pointing out that things have kind of gone sideways on this?
these elections.
You know, it's something quite frankly, I've had in my head for years.
If anyone has worked on any Supreme Court race since block has existed in 2018, they have heard these rants
and people
would have agreed.
And I like, yes.
And then we say that there's a commitment to change.
And I'm speaking on more of the left side.
you know because they also engage in tough on crime ads and some of these things and you know we get down to the wire and I think that there is just a strong sense of urgency that people are just kind of falling into old bad habits so I think there is an appetite and you know just talking to folks and seeing how fatigued the electorate is.
Also, from a sustainability standpoint, if we keep talking about Supreme Court races as if they're going to solve the break-ins down the street or any type of local crime, voters are smart.
They're going to get wise to that and realize, hey, you kind of lied to me, or I don't see the impact that you all promised me.
I'm not going to continue showing up.
So I think right now, adding that frustration when there's already a frustrated electorate with what's going on nationally and even locally, I think it's kind of a
bit of a warning sign since we're going to be in Wisconsin in the thick of Supreme Court races for the next few years.
Hopefully now we can understand that we have to try things differently and we don't need to keep doing quite frankly what I think this dehumanizing nature and this campaigning actually really feels like.
You know, there is an industry around campaigning, you know, and people hire the consultants and they get the messaging and they do this.
I kind of get the feeling sometimes Angela's a lot of cut and paste, you know
what I mean?
Like, Hey,
we're trying to
get because it's hard.
It takes effort.
You know, if you're involved in these things, these things take a lot of time, a lot of energy and ultimately as well, well, I'm sure we'll get to the topic of money in these elections.
What do you think is driving those kinds of narratives?
Because, for instance, on the Wisconsin Supreme Court, they're not going to be the ones stopping the whole up at the gas station.
That's not what the Wisconsin Supreme Court does.
does, but I see Brad Shimoh walk in like slow motion gangster style with a bunch of cops.
Like, like he's going to be on, on the beat.
I just, so what do you think is driving that kind of narrative?
Cause I totally agree.
It is certainly not helpful if you're thinking that electing this person or that person going to have a direct impact on those very specific local issues.
Yeah.
I mean, first of all, the consultant class, they get paid, right?
And they can say, hey, this has proven to be effective at one point.
And so they have kind of these talking points and these data points and these specific races that they can mention to say, look, the formula works, not taking into account the current political landscape and how organizing has evolved and how we reach voters and having to reach them differently.
So I think there's just some of that.
But I also think, and I've said this before, and Dan and I have talked about it,
that Dems don't really have a strong message when it comes to combating crime.
The instant Republicans try to have a hint or a whisper of you are soft on crime, which really is like you may have been a little bit more compassionate or you may have seen of the full totality of a human being in their worst moments, Democrats tend to want to respond to soft on crime with tough on crime instead of actually providing alternatives to crime and safety.
And, you know, we've seen in the data and even in the piece.
linked to some data that says we don't have to do those things because also those messages are no longer resonating.
So I think there's kind of just a
familiarity of kind of how campaigns have been run and think that, oh, this is what we need to do.
And there's always a strong sense of urgency if we need to do whatever we can, because of the like the political climate that we're in right now.
But that doesn't mean that we can't evolve and change our thinking to keep up with the times as well.
Folks, you're listening to the Dom Salvia show that is Angela Lang, the executive director of block black leaders organizing for communities.
Joining me here today talking about Wisconsin Supreme Court races.
You mentioned some data points.
I'm with you.
I think, you know, a lot of, there's lots of reasons for crime, right?
And if you think you look at the money issue and how people live and their experiences, that can be a driving factor, what they have people have to deal with and throw into that, you know, the angst of the circumstances and God knows what else.
And, you know, not everyone is a long-term lifelong criminal when something happens.
And I think a lot of cases, there's a lot of mental illness going on.
that
is
unaddressed in all sorts of communities that the Republicans don't talk about.
What are some of the data?
What are you seeing?
What are you hearing?
That could be an effective pushback.
Well, yes, people need to be held to account for their actions, but as an empathetic society, knowing that there are many variables and factors that can go into a circumstance, how do you think the messaging should come across to address all those things, Angela?
Yeah, you know, and I agree.
I don't think anyone wakes up one day and says, you know what?
I think it's cool to just be Scarface today and just be the whole, you know, kingpin.
Like, I don't think that's the case.
People are pushed to very extreme circumstances.
A lot of time poverty and trauma are involved.
And it's been really good to hear some judges talk about preventative programs or diversion programs.
If we actually want to decrease mass incarceration or decrease our carceral system, that doesn't always mean locking people up on
their worst days, especially if they may have a mental health crisis.
And even if people are having a mental health crisis, there's been lots of conversations over the years of.
should law enforcement be the ones to actually respond to some of those things.
And so, you know, anecdotally, and, you know, I have made no secret about this, I have folks on our team that have been through the criminal justice system.
And people have said, yeah, I've made mistakes.
And you get to know their story.
And they talk about why they had to make the decisions that they did, but then ultimately had had the support and the resources and the network and the family to actually come back and, you know, give back to the community.
So, you know, it's it's one of these things where we
talked about and we've seen that if you invest in people's
basic, you know, rights, the hierarchy of needs, people are able to more participate in our democracy.
They're able to, you know, they're being deterred from crime because a lot of times these crimes are made out of necessity.
We've seen folks in the racial and sentencing disparities as well between, you know, a white man, middle-aged white man on his fourth DUI in the sentencing of that case versus a young black man, a teenage boy who stole
pizza because he was hungry and you know we see this disparity in all of that as well too.
So I think again there needs to be an evolution in how we talk about crime and reframe it into community safety.
There's been an evolution on how we've conducted Wisconsin Supreme Court elections here as, as, as well in your piece, you kind of go over, over some of the past elections and while it's Bradley, you bring up Joanne Kloppenberg.
And, and of course, you know, one of the most impactful, I think, you know, Michael Gabelman, not only a, a newsmaker of the past or the way he ran that campaign, but of course we know, uh, doing the bidding of, of the Republicans and Robin Voss and their.
trying to find the quote unquote fraud and to stop the steal and all that BS that we're paying millions of dollars here as America as Wisconsin taxpayers.
But this guy's actually literally sat on Wisconsin Supreme court.
And now he doesn't want to show up for depositions ironically enough.
But he, he was successful in running some pretty racially, I mean,
The, the, the Mandela Barnes ads when they darken this skin and make him look like a dangerous, scary black man.
Uh, that's not the first time that the Republicans have gone down that road, Angela.
Right.
Right.
It's, it's unfortunate.
And you know, I actually had to, I shot Mandela attacks.
I said, Hey, I'm writing this piece.
Is it okay if I include this?
Because it's all connected.
It is.
I think you're right.
Yeah.
And I was like, I understand if you don't want to rehash that, right?
Because that was not an easy time.
And he was like, yeah, go ahead.
And I think that there's something to be said about the Lewis Butler race as well.
And trust me, I had to go down several rabbit holes, kind of talking and researching these various races.
And I was not one of those people at the time that was aware of the Louis Butler campaign.
I wasn't following it at the time in real time, because no one really cared about it.
in court races, me as one of them.
And I remember hearing a lot of stories about it and then understanding how all of these, not all three black men specifically, including Lewis Butler, have.
try to make an attempt to be on our state's highest court.
And it is not lost on me that the state is also home to the most incarcerated zip code, which typically includes black men as well.
And so it was important to highlight all of these things, but then also see the evolution of how the races have become more and more political, how they've become less about, you know, what is your judicial philosophy and more about cherry picking and
a case that I'm sure every single judge has a case in their background that they are not proud of.
And they do.
And they highlight it and they talk about it.
And we have some song we're going to play a little bit later.
Current Attorney General Josh Call reflected on his experiences when when he defeated Brad Schimel and what he walked into.
We'll get there.
There as well.
You mentioned and I think perhaps
we need to maybe understand what the goals are.
And I'm not clear that there is a goal to decrease the incarceration.
I think incarceration is a business like anybody else.
And I, you know, we have what?
Double the incarceration of Minnesota.
It's hard for me to believe that we have twice as many criminals here as Minnesota does, Angela.
You know what I'm saying?
I think this seems to be, if you look at the numbers and statistically, like a purposeful thing, keep the churn going to keep the money flowing.
Yeah, I mean we see that jails and prisons are a for-profit industry a lot of times and we've also see that it is cheap labor, unfortunately.
Earlier when we saw the California wildfires ate lots of volunteer firefighters and it's not even volunteer, but what people were claiming were volunteers.
were inmates from the jails and prisons that
were being
paid only dollars and didn't have the same type of equipment.
So, you know, I think there is not the urgency on the democratic side to really change the future of this.
And thus the messaging kind of continues to fall behind too.
Yeah, because if your, if your goal is to decrease the level of incarceration, well, your soft on crime, like, no, man, we
can,
if the goal is to make folks so they can, you know, go into society, be contributing members and productive members of our society and our communities, that's the goal, not paying off the prison industry.
Come back with us.
More of Angela Lange.
You got some time with us, Angela?
Sure I do.
Excellent.
We'll talk about the money in the politics.
And in this case, on the Wisconsin Supreme Court race, come back with us.
Angela Lange, executive director from block, black leaders, organizing for community.
on the other side.
Welcome back to the Dom Salvia show 855-752-4842-855-755 Civic got just PS working hard on the board Angela Lang executive director from block black leaders organizing for communities joining me for one more segment Angela.
Thank you for doing so Before we get into the money one of our textures chimed in I guess to your point When was Jim from Appleton wonders?
When was the last time the Supreme Court of Wisconsin dealt with a street?
level criminal case.
I didn't tell you
probably
never.
Right.
I
mean, I was like, is there one real extenuating circumstance that leads to like a broader civil liberties, you know, discussion,
right?
Maybe something in that category, but like interpersonal street crime now.
Like, that's not what the Supreme Court judge.
They're not bringing the gavel down, pointing at the defendant and saying, you're going to the chair.
That's not, that's not what they do.
That's not the thing.
They also don't
have
the death penalty down.
Wow, what else?
In my example, we do.
But I think people are misinformed and misunderstand, I guess, to my point, Angela, to your piece that you wrote at Reconbobulation is that
having those conversations and getting caught, I guess, in that trap, as you put it, with Republicans saying that we're tough on crime, tough on crime.
Well, that's not exactly what the Supreme Court is there to judicate.
Yeah.
I mean, one of the things that we noticed, and Block has been around since November of 2017, and our first race that we ever got involved in was Rebecca Dallett, Justice Dallett in 2018.
And we noticed very quickly that this was not a traditional
race where you can say, Hey, you know, the candidates, let's have a persuasion conversation.
People were like, Supreme Court, if I get a DUI, am I going in front of them?
And we're
like, no.
And so people didn't understand why they should show up and why they should care if like the Supreme Court was so far removed from their daily lives.
And so being able to talk about, Hey, do you know that they're 10 year terms?
Here are some pre some Supreme Court cases that may have impacted you, including, you know, mask mandates or, you know,
stay-at-home orders, even the pandemic election from April, that worked its way through.
So
being able to highlight how the Supreme Court has directly impacted them has been really important.
And then being able to say, no, they don't deal with things like crime, despite what you're seeing on TV.
And being able to have the conversation, they're only doing that to make their opponents look bad, but this is, it's misleading.
This is not actually what they do.
These are the issues that we care about and what we want to see talked about or, you know, advocated, not advocated.
and necessarily, but being able to be ruled upon understanding both candidates' values.
And so we can kind of shift the conversation to values and each of their records and whatnot and who's donating to them.
Before we get to the money and the donations, Angela, certainly an important case that could come before the abortion rights here in the state of Wisconsin.
And, you know, Schimel was very specific.
What's wrong with the 1849 rule, you know?
And we know where Susan Crawford, at least, you know,
philosophically agrees.
Now this will be a court case and they'll decide based on the merits of the legal system in the court.
But what are you hearing besides abortion as to what are you telling people or what's the understanding of the discussion about besides abortion of issues that may come to impact these folks on a 10 year term?
Yeah, you know people definitely are talking about things like voter rights As Republicans continue to have the legislature the governor has been really good at vetoing anything that makes it harder for Wisconsinites But we love you we know that Republicans love their voter suppression especially of older folks and black folks and brown folks and Students and whatnot.
So is that something that's gonna creep back up again?
We're seeing anti-LGBT specifically anti trans
girls
that often could go to the Supreme Court.
So I think right now
now because it's, it's so, um, recent and just even in the coming days, people are thinking about those things specifically.
I think people are going to, um, start to think about what's happening with campus protest and freedom of speech.
Is that something that's going to end up going to the court?
So, you know, we see these issues that are kind of bubbling up on a federal level.
They could definitely have a direct impact in Wisconsin as well too.
Folks are listening to the Dom Salvia show that is Angela laying executive director from block.
Uh, join me for just a couple more minutes.
Let's talk about.
briefly the money Angela, I mean, the Supreme court race is going to be, you know, super, super expensive more so than the last Supreme court race, which I think broke all the records.
You know, I, I think, I think this, the money in the politics and in the elections like this are a cancer.
I think if money is free speech, it is akin to yelling fire in a crowded theater.
I think it drowns everybody out.
It is what it is.
And these are the circumstances we have to work on, but
How do you think we should address this as a society as we move forward?
Yeah, I mean it's so frustrating because it's literally those that are most
privilege economically are able to have a louder voice and influence our representatives.
And I also think, I mean, that's just like a broad problem across the board, no matter what candidate and what level of office.
But it's particularly distasteful for judges.
And, you know, there's whole rules that, you know, judges can't do call time as candidates and they have to pass their phone over to someone else and like
Well, what's the point?
Like, why are we even doing that?
Why do we have this role of, you know, judges themselves can't ask for, you know, money?
Let's cut the BS at this point.
We know
what's actually happening.
It's becoming an increasingly problematic issue where one person that is very wealthy could actually drown out more and more people.
And you have one person being able to outshine and lift up their issues if they want because they are able to dump in as much money as they want in a completely different state in some cases, whether it's here or people investing from out of state.
people are worried about that throughline specifically with Elon Musk to the Trump administration, too.
If all of these things are happening on a federal level and they're saying, oh, you know, make the states decide, well, if that happens in Wisconsin, then the state could decide to just uphold, you know, Trump's agenda because he bought the Supreme court through his buddy, Elon Musk, which is a wholly undemocratic problem.
And all Wisconsinites, no matter what side of the aisle you're on, should be upset at that.
Yeah, that type of unelected bureaucrats, the guy's the richest.
person in the world and he can take all the arrows and it gives them, it gives them some degree of cover, which I think we need to really focus on.
It's not Elon Musk.
It's not, he is doing the bidding of Donald Trump.
He is doing the bidding of the Republicans of Ron Johnson.
We'll bring it down to local Republicans here in the state of Wisconsin.
This is what they want.
This is what they're asking for.
This is what we got.
And at the same time, they say they don't want unelected bureaucrats, you know, influencing the government.
Angela Lang, executive director from black, black leaders organizing for
communities.
Any events coming up?
We've got an election on the first.
Anything you want to share with our audience?
Yeah, I will say, um, and it's not public yet, but we will be having a special visitor in our office, um, out of town and in state.
And you will see who that person is, um, when they come in a
time, so we're
excited to talk about
it.
Well, please give us a heads up and we'll share it with our audience.
Angela Lang.
Thank you so much for coming around.
Appreciate what you do.
Uh, folks, this is the Dom Salvi show.
Come back with us.
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We're going to play some attorney general from Wisconsin.
Josh call had some comments.
I will be right back.
Thank you, Angela.
you
And welcome back to the Dom salvia show eight five five seven five two four eight four two eight five five seven five Civic want to thank our most recent guest angelo laying executive director over at block black leaders organizing for communities For joining us you can find her piece at the recombination area Great piece appreciate it.
Angelo always loved to catch up with our friend miss Lang um eight five five seven five two four eight four two.
We talked about josh call
The current attorney general from the great state of Wisconsin.
Well, he got that job by beating Brad Shevel.
Yes, indeed.
Uh-huh.
And Josh Call has some thoughts.
I guess he was on here a couple of months ago, right?
Yeah, we last had him on about five weeks ago.
Go check it out.
It's been a couple of weeks since Wisconsin joined the lawsuit against Trump for trying to get rid of birthright citizenship.
Ooh, also, that particular case, not going well for the Trump administration today.
An appeals court rejected the stay, so that still will continue.
Uh, but, uh, Josh call and I found this, uh, the democratic party, Wisconsin, the email
that sent me this.
I'm like,
thank you folks.
This is what I'm talking about.
Um, let's let Mr. Call speak for himself.
I've got a few cuts from the attorney general.
Then we'll get to your calls and your texts, eight, five, five, seven, five, two, four, eight, four, two.
Let's hear what call had to say.
Cut number one, please.
Just
in 2018, there was only one incumbent attorney general in the country who was defeated.
That was Brad Schimel.
He used to feed it in part because he had a failed record as Wisconsin Attorney General.
Now he's trying to rewrite that history.
And it's been several years, so folks haven't seen the headlines about Brad Schimmel's failed record recently like they had when the 2018 election happened.
So I want to speak out and make sure that we're setting the record straight.
The reality is that as Attorney General, Brad Schimmel had an abysmal record on issues that were critical.
to Wisconsinites.
And yet he was essentially on speed dial for special interests.
Yeah.
Yes.
This is what I'm talking about.
And it's, you know, this is a while ago.
So you can forget.
I mean, I, you know, I read a lot of news and I got a little resin on the brains.
I don't remember a whole lot sometimes.
So I appreciate it.
Uh, when, when folks like guys like, like call who were in it, in the, I mean, if this is fresh in his mind, he went through this, he defeated a shimel.
Uh, let's hear what, uh, call has to say about some of the, you know, issues that shimel had cut number two.
Now, one of the issues that has come up in this race and that came up in the 2018 election is the backlog of untested sexual assault kits.
I think it's important for folks to know the context for this.
In 2014, J.B.
Van Hollen, when he was in his last year as Attorney General, his administration did a survey and they identified thousands of previously untested sexual assault kits.
Again, that was 2014.
So the next year, Brad Schimmel came into office with this information that there were thousands of untested sexual assault kits.
And what the record shows is that Brad Schimmel failed to respond with urgency.
His administration tested just nine of the thousands of backlog kits in his first two years in office
Nine of the backlog thousands in two years nine I mean talk about a lack of urgency.
What was what's what's the job man?
Not to be on speed dial for special interests certainly it should be out there working to protect your constituency You're the top cop of the state of Wisconsin
and you don't give a damn about thousands of untested sexual assault kits?
I mean, who knows?
Maybe it'd be somebody you know, Brad.
Here is Josh Call continuing on, once again, the acting or lack of urgency, cut number three.
It's not that he couldn't have tested those kits more quickly.
In two other places, Portland and the state of Nevada, those locations received grant funding right around the same time as Wisconsin, and they tested kits much more quickly.
in those first few years.
And I encourage those reporters who are on the line to go back to the news articles from that time.
And you can see that Brad Schimmel simply was not focused on the details of this issue.
In early 2017, for example, at one point Schimmel said that a few hundred kits had been tested.
But a couple days later, his administration had to acknowledge that the number was not a couple hundred.
It was nine kits that had been tested.
Brad Schimmel said that this was not a backlog.
Politifact reviewed that claim and they rated that claim pants on fire.
And they pointed to a letter from Brad Shimmel himself that had referred to this as a backlog.
Current Attorney General Josh Call reminding everybody how terrible Brad Shimmel was and his total lack of urgency and absolute disregard for victims of sexual assault.
Pants on fire.
Oh, yeah, you know, there's no back.
Yeah.
Oh, we did hundreds.
Oh nine, you know, that that's the kind of person that's the kind of character that we're dealing with Josh call current attorney general from the state of Wisconsin continue on continuing on believer on cut number four
indeed.
Thank you.
Rachel also didn't accomplish any legislative to prevent a future backlog of sexual assault kids.
And it's not because he didn't have the opportunity.
There was a Republican legislative majority.
and a Republican governor.
But Brad Schimmel didn't propose reforms to our sexual assault kit laws until shortly before the 2018 election.
So again, he left that work for us to do.
Now fortunately, I did advocate for changes in the law and Governor Ebers was ultimately able to sign those into law.
But again, on this issue, Brad Schimmel didn't deliver for the people of Wisconsin.
Did not deliver for the people of Wisconsin.
And I would point out as he, as a Josh call mentioned in the earlier cuts, he's specifically lied about the effort.
Oh, we've tested hundreds.
No,
there was
nine.
Oh, there's no backlog.
Pants on fire.
What were you doing, man?
A couple more from attorney general Josh call on his former
A local adversary,
I guess.
Let's hear cut
number five, please.
And it's not just sexual assault kits where this issue has arisen.
Another great example is holding pharmaceutical companies accountable for their role in the opioid epidemic.
Schimmel never filed suit against Purdue Pharma, the company that we've alleged was largely responsible for ushering in the opioid epidemic.
Within several months of my taking office, we had filed suit.
Brad Schimmel also didn't.
have Wisconsin joined an investigation into opioid distributors.
Again, within several months of my joining, taking office, we joined that investigation.
That has now been resolved and there are hundreds of millions of dollars coming to Wisconsin because of the resolution with those opioid distributors.
Leaving money on the table, Brad
Schimmel.
It makes one wonder, what the hell is he doing?
What?
Come on, man.
And that, you know, the opioid thing, and I lost a dear friend to the opioid epidemic.
You know, I went to college with roommates or friends for a long time and he was always, you know, kind of partying on the edge.
We hung out, this was put
that way.
And I never took to the opioids as a recreational thing.
I think they're great for what they did if you're in pain, under doctor's orders, sure.
But, you know, taking too many is something that can kill you.
Not great.
And I didn't like the buzz and I didn't do it recreationally.
Well, some folks did.
Uh, and, and, and he had a line on a guy that was writing some bad scripts and was able to go in and, you know, talk about the distributors of that
and
go, and you know, man, it's hard for me to imagine that if you're in that kind of situation and me being, you know, a former.
I wasn't always an upstanding citizen and radio host.
You know, I broke a few laws
in my youth.
You've had a couple of
careers.
A couple of careers.
It's hard for me to imagine that you don't know who's doing that.
You know
what I'm saying?
When you got.
cats that are filling out scripts left and right.
And you can know how many pills are going in and out of the facility.
I mean, it's, it's, it's basic investigation work.
Certainly they're doctoring the books and whatever the case.
I mean, those things can happen as well.
But to do nothing, to, to essentially do nothing, to just leave it hundreds of millions of dollars.
And that's not just money on the table.
That is, that is compensation to the state and to our citizens who were put upon
by this terrible epidemic of opioids that were, you know, not sold as, Hey, this thing is addictive and can kill you.
I
mean, these things had a terrible impact on lots of people and it continues to today.
They revised the formula.
I mean, back in the day, day when those things first came out, you could crush them up and start them.
Oh, yeah.
And then they
got time released
and
they changed it.
And I was, I
was like, man, this is insanity.
I can't get legal weed, but I can go, I can invest and buy stock in my drug dealer.
I mean,
this is
insanity.
And of course people are dying left and right.
And you put it in that context and knowing it again, in my mind from a reformed, you know, bad guy, uh, how do you not know?
Of course you know, if you looked, but he wasn't doing that.
What was he doing?
Let's hear cut number six, please.
He was delivering for special interests.
He created a solicitor general's office with taxpayer money early on in his tenure, and that's the Wisconsin Department of Justice involved in a variety of highly partisan litigation.
One of the cases that office got involved in was a suit that tried to take health care away from millions of Americans and eliminate protections for people with a preexisting condition by trying to end the Affordable Care Act.
a lawsuit that my administration ultimately withdrew from.
Brad Schimmel also put out an opinion that barred the DNR from considering the cumulative impacts of high-capacity wells, which was a great benefit to corporate farms that wanted to use water from those wells, but not to the other folks who wanted to use that water.
My administration withdrew that opinion.
It ultimately went to the State Supreme Court, and the State Supreme Court ruled against the position Schimmel had taken for two.
with Justice Eagler in the majority.
Taking the cumulative effect of the well.
I mean, I was like, Hey, I'm on the other side of the lake, sucking the water out there.
It doesn't matter what's happening.
It's just an asinine proposition.
Cause everyone's tapping the same well, man.
And so do, do Supreme court elections matter?
Yeah.
Yeah.
And even this one is, is calm answer.
It was so stupid when against them.
Um,
But this is, this is the guy who wants to sit on the Wisconsin Supreme Court and we should not allow that to happen.
He has, he's been, he was, and I go on and I get kind of worked up because you know, I heard a little bit of this and you cut it up for me, Justin.
I certainly appreciate that.
I get, I get angry all over again.
Cause I just remember, you know, living through this at the time, or even again, I do in the show for a long time and having these conversations and listening and watching.
Brad Schimmel's lack of action on some of these issues
and
action on some of these things.
How can you possibly say that you cannot, you know, in these, in these regulations take into effect the cumulative effect of, of, of high capacity wells?
Man, how, how can you not?
They're all connected.
There's all like magic line that says, okay, at the property line, you go down the well, the well, that's, that's there.
It doesn't make any sense.
It was asinine on its face.
And what is the reason?
Well, certainly it was ruled against, so a bad decision on Schimel's part, certainly, but what is the greater point?
Well, he was down for the special interest, man.
That's who Brad Schimel was serving when he was Attorney General from the state of Wisconsin.
That's who Brad Schimel prioritized when he was Attorney General for the state of Wisconsin.
Brad Schimel declined.
to test thousands, thousands of sexual assault kits.
Brad Schimmel lied, misled, didn't know.
Thought maybe he had, the office had caught maybe a couple of hundred and they were working on, no, no, nine.
Nine.
Brad Schimmel, well, you know, putting forth this theory on high capacity wells and he shouldn't be taken into cumulative effect of anything else.
He was worried about those kinds of things.
Brad Schimmel.
said, oh, we don't have a backlog of untested rape kits.
Pulling a fat call that pants on fire.
And the very first Brad Schimmel ad that I saw this election cycle, Brad Schimmel bragged about testing rape kits.
Really trying to get in front of them thousands
of thousands of rape kits tested Yeah, maybe eventually dude after a couple of years a slow start some lying and some pants on fire political effecting Maybe you got a round do it after you got done kissing the ass of your special interests buddies
You know an attorney general that would you know literally work out work for you know the citizens of the state is something That that we need I think we have that in Josh call and I appreciate Josh call putting us out there and and reminding me Reminding all of you at least maybe if you didn't know maybe we're paying attention back then as we talked to our friend Angela Lang from block You know 10 15 years ago I wasn't paying attention to the details of these kinds of things and certainly not Wisconsin Supreme Court races
So listen, we've all been there.
So now you know.
If you didn't know, now you know.
So get out and vote.
And when you vote on April 1st, make sure it's for Susan Crawford.
I think she'll be the one to really take care of this and be the person we want on that Wisconsin Supreme Court.
Well, the good news is tell us something good.
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Tom, you've been the most patient today.
Welcome to the show.
Tell us something good,
buddy.
something good.
I wake up every morning at four o'clock a.m.
And today my body was tired and it fell asleep for two hours.
So that's something
good.
Get that beauty sleep buddy.
Right now.
The other thing is I really hope that very, very soon you have a good
back on your show.
I think it's essential for the upcoming election in April.
And I also really had a lot of doubt in terms of ever since Joanne Kloppenberg lost that race with Joanne that lost the race.
That's correct.
Yes.
Yeah, but but sick a week before that the markup pull header up by six and she ends up winning or losing my sets then you have Scott Walker and his recall election Winning by moving by six a week before the election and then ends up winning by sex there's something that's not right here and and somebody really needs to
I don't know about the past.
I'm not gonna worry about the past, but going forward, we gotta figure this stuff out.
Is there something that just does not smell right?
I know Cam talks about it a lot from Appleton, but we really need to do some type of audit or some type of whatever it is we need to do to save our democracy.
And we just, as Democrats can't say,
Oh, no, everything is fine.
Everything is perfect.
Fine.
Well, Tom, number one, glad you're getting sleep, man.
And I'm down.
Certainly want want to make sure our elections are righteous, man.
Everybody wants that.
I mean, the hell Donald Trump prayed on those.
fears and, and, and manipulate folks into believing those things.
So I don't want to fall into that trap.
It's the same thing I said to Cameron folks and, and palace.
I mean, if there, if there's evidence, then bring it forth.
And, and, and, and I'm not sure like a statistical analysis of something, something, something is going to convince me.
I mean, I'm thinking like right here in the state of Wisconsin, like I hear you just talking about the Kloppenberg case.
I believe it was the Brookfield elections official that brought a flash drive home.
and didn't count those votes.
I think it was looked at and it was accepted as, yeah, that sucked, but that was reality.
We've had several, several recounts here in the state of Wisconsin.
They've all come back as righteous hell.
When, when, when Donald Trump wanted Madison and, and Milwaukee, Mulkey County to recount, he actually lost a couple of more votes.
So I'm down, man, we should always be vigilant, but I'm not going to go down that road until we hear, you know, get some, someone present some evidence that is
logical to me, at least at this point.
Thanks for calling man.
Appreciate eight, five, five, seven, five, two, four, four, two, but perhaps I'll reach out to Greg, uh, just for some fun between down the election.
Joel from Madison, you're up next.
Tell us something good.
Well, we're cruising in towards St.
Patty's day.
Um, and that means we get Irish soda bread, which is wonderful.
Oh my God.
It's so good.
I wanted to make a point in talking about annexation.
Trump tosses his term around, and he's as well versed in what it means as that stupid press secretary is in terms of what tariffs are.
I will repeat something that is from the economist.
Annexation is when one country forcibly asserts control and sovereignty over another country's territory.
and territorial control is declared by the occupying power, this usually follows military occupation.
When we talk about annexation, it is not like turn a key, hey, you're American, we are talking about invading and a military occupation of our neighbor to the north.
Let us think what that means.
Obviously, Trump is
incapable of thinking what that means, whether he's mentally ill or this is just who he is.
But let's analyze what that means.
If you look at a map and you think about taking us troops into Canada, I realize we don't have the same population, but do you think that the rest of the world is going to just sit still while we
invade Canada?
No, I don't think that's good.
I think invading another NATO member is frowned upon.
So
I
don't, I don't think it's happening here at the bluster, but
It's never gonna, if that would have happened to be guerrilla warfare in Canada for the next hundred
years,
that is not happening.
We hear the Premier over there talking, the Canadians, they don't want no part of that.
So, wait and see.
At this point, it's just the ramblings of a madman.
But, well, Joe, keep your fingers crossed.
Hopefully that's all it is.
Ollie from the North Wards, welcome.
Tell us something good.
Well, my something good was your radio program today with Mr. Call informing us of...
Um, Brad Schimel's shiftiness, um, made it easier to make stronger points with the people that I talked to, how much that they should support Susan Crawford.
Yes.
Yes.
Thank you so much for that.
We appreciate that.
Thank you, Jess, for cutting that up.
Uh, Catherine from Madison, you will have the last word.
Tell us something good.
Hi, Dom.
I've got something that I'm really happy about and I think is good.
I work with a group that is doing composting.
And we collect scraps from the local restaurants.
They just started a little over a year ago.
And we compost at Troy Gardens.
That was actually Troy Farm.
And last year, we kept records and we composted two tons of
vegetables.
Wow.
That's awesome.
Going to the compost.
If you do it, folks, we compost.
It takes a little effort, but it's good to keep it on the landfills.
Thank you, Angela Lang, executive director from Black Leaders Organizing for Community.
She will be co-hosting with Matt Rothschild tomorrow.
I will be out.
Just thank you for all that you do.
Thank you to our fair audience.
Have a wonderful evening.
Stick around.
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