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Harvey's been a couple of weeks.
We passed each other like ships in the night in Florida, but here we are together again.
Man, great to see you.
oh it was man it was amazing i really really enjoyed florida you know what are the nice things about it i went down to uh sit in braddington for a few days in the sarasota area and i got a family down there and i gotta go see uh my uncle bill who i believe turns 87 tomorrow
Uh, and he's still driving and getting around.
I mean,
So it was, that was really fun.
And then we wandered down to Naples, stayed with my cousin, uh, you know, right downtown for, for several days down there and got to the beach almost every day of the weather was really, really nice.
We had a pool of the placement.
It was, it was perfect.
Actually war.
Uh, it was, it was, it was, you know, the, you know, the sun is, and I'm
this pale color after coming out of winter, I had to dose up on the 30.
So I'm not as dark as, as I perhaps would have been, but you know, I got to take care of the skin.
I'm going to ask you,
Let's put it that way.
But it did have a great time, great visit, good to see everyone and had great weather and good time.
Man, it's successful, a successful few days off, no doubt.
But at the end of the day, however you hear, here we are, we got to be instead of fantasy land where none of that stuff matters.
Now we're in the real world.
And, and I guess today, let's start here.
We started in the last hour.
I want to get your reaction.
Um, it seems like the business world is not taking too kindly to the uncertainty, uh, that that's coming out of this administration.
Uh, and as of right now, I believe what, uh, Elon Musk's Tesla is down 45% from its high.
from
But this is a this is a gauge of, you know, cost a consumer sentiment is down, you know, unemployment, you know, the jobs numbers didn't meet expectations.
I mean, there's lots of different signals and indicators that are that are, you know, basically standard understood in the business community that are starting to flash a little bit.
And when the president was asked by Fox, don't call it news, Bart aroma, I said, no, I can't and I want to predict what's going to happen.
is going to be a time of adjustment.
But it's all going to work out fine, Harvey K. We haven't talked in a while.
What's your sense on how this administration, number one, is handling the tariffs and the economy at large?
And number two, if we don't get a funding deal, continuing resolution of sorts, we could be shutting down the government by Friday.
Well, to take up the points you've made that were cited, the aluminum makers in this country.
And the steel makers, they think it's cool, this tariff talk, because they see great profits because Canadian aluminum, Chinese steel, all that kind of stuff, they won't have to compete as much based on the tariffs.
However, however, the automakers at Ford is a spokesperson for that.
are not happy at all.
And by the way, more generally speaking, and I think the stock market's reflecting it, and I despise
But I will say, but I got to say this, business people do not like instability.
They do not like unpredictability.
Okay, for all the talk of entrepreneurialism and innovation, they prefer things to go along steadily.
So they can figure out whether or not it's worth investing anew whether it's worth building new plants sooner rather than later.
So yeah, this doesn't
Well, that may happen in some ways because look, if the stock market's crashing, they're in a position to do that.
But you know, it's just, let's put it this way, it sucks.
It sucks.
Working people have endured enough by way of inflation.
These public employees, the government workers who are being laid off, what kind of job market are they going to enter right now?
I mean, that was the January job report.
You're right.
It's an indicator.
Wait till we see February and March.
That'll be the thing.
And we have some additional inflationary inflation numbers coming out this week as well.
The Atlanta Fed, I think they revised the GDP predictions to contraction for the first quarter of like just under 3%.
And that's going from a positive almost 3%, not so long ago.
I mean, these concerns and indicators are flashing very, very quickly.
And it certainly seems to be coming out.
in the numbers on the market.
Now, how does that impact everybody else?
How does that impact if someone's not in the market?
What does that mean for them?
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Always a pleasure to catch up Harvey.
So we'll wait and see.
And I'm not I'm not rooting against this economy.
But I just think when you see this kind of reaction and we see the lack of leadership and as you mentioned consistent
see certainty coming out of out of the executive branch.
No wonder why things are a little volatile right now.
Well, I want people to go into the next election remembering the instability.
Yeah.
And remembering the possibility that we're by then we may have entered into a recession.
I want them to know that.
I mean, I don't want people to be happy about the Trump administration because what they're doing is nasty and brutish.
And people need to know that.
And the first time they're going to know that is when, my God, the price of eggs just doubled or something like that.
Or the automobile they've been saving up has just increased 30 percent, you know, to purchase it.
I mean, I don't mean to be... I don't want to sound that
1980 You know, everyone thinks that was a time of you know, sort of dynamic action in the economy because it was the age of time of the rich and famous remember the celebrity rich and famous and the TV shows But there was a serious recession at the outset of the Reagan presidency.
However
that we were out of the recession by the time that the campaign for president in 84 began.
As a consequence, people did not think about the recession.
They thought about the fact we were coming out of the recession.
I don't want a recession right now, but I do want people to know that the economy has not gotten any better for their daily lives because of Trump, and it's gotten worse in certain ways.
I wish I could answer that directly.
I just don't know the answer to that, okay?
I just don't know.
I mean, of course, they all tried to say, well, I had to do, well, no, it was Reagan's policies.
It begins with Carter recruiting Volcker to be the chair of the Federal Reserve.
And he was determined to, he wanted a recession because he wanted to hurt the working class.
I mean, that was the plan.
And it did hurt the working class.
And it made life all the more difficult after the terrible 70s for the working class through the 80s.
I mean, inequality then, in fact, the rich did get tremendously richer
It has been written and reported before, and we'll come back around again.
Hence perhaps the reason folks are getting a little jittery in the marketplace today.
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We're going to get into that democracy.
We're going to talk a little bit about perhaps Bernie Sanders and, oh yeah, happy International Day of Hope, maybe?
How does the United States, the only country at the UN to not vote?
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Thank you, Harvey, for joining us today.
Always a pleasure to catch up.
Not only is Elon Musk the Tesla having a little bit of a slide, apparently there have been some outages on the ex-Teslas, I'm sorry, Twitter, gone
a few times.
Well, that first time it did, I didn't know it was happening.
I thought there was something wrong with my Wi-Fi, there was something wrong with my phone, my iPad.
And then somebody, in fact, yeah, somebody of consequence sent me a note and said, you do realize that Twitter's down, right?
And I said, no, I don't.
But here's the thing.
I think there's gonna be fingers pointed by the likes of Trump and Musk and Charlie Kirk and that whole crew.
They're going to say, all the leftists trying to pull down Twitter.
They won't say Twitter, they'll say X. And I got into a discussion with some folks who I know, some of whom are political activists and some of whom are very active students of the web and technologies regarding the web.
And they are convinced it was a false flag.
They think that this was a setup, okay, and I'll give you one of two possibilities, but that this was set up as an excuse to then point a finger at the left.
They want an excuse to do some seriously dangerous stuff, okay?
Now, I said to them, I resisted that idea, and which led one of them to say this to me in a text.
Cyber attacks are different from in-person protests because I refer to the Tesla I said, you know people are going after Tesla So more often than not companies will pay white-hack hackers to go ahead and legally find vulnerability vulnerabilities in their security This is the legal way of doing so Considering Elon gutting over 50% of the workforce that just maintained the structure of Twitter It would be more plausible that the duct tape
that they were using to keep the site going failed.
Okay.
That's possibility one.
Yes.
Possibility two.
Also, his musk's half-brained idiots doing cuts to the federal government left their website wide open with access to the public being equivalent to closing a door with a latch, but not locking it.
His OPSEC, Operation Security Awareness, is laughably bad.
So there you go.
Okay.
Oh, great.
This is the
So it doesn't bring a lot of joy here, Harvey.
The, the mirror.com reporting that dark storm team hackers have claimed responsibility.
Dark storm team hackers, apparently a group known for sophisticated cyber warfare attacks and successful attacks on high security systems.
The group claimed responsibility in a public.
Telegram post though the actual content of the post remains unclear one report indicates the team bragged about having successfully taken Twitter offline Last week dark storm said it would unleash cyber attacks on the government websites of NATO countries According to the mirror.com.
The security service provider wrote in a report, the group reportedly vowed in a post last month to unleash a wave of cyber attacks on government websites of NATO countries, Israel and nations that support Israel.
Elon Musk, who named it X after person confirmed in the post, the platform was a site of a DDOS was a target of a DDOS attack.
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So I mean, I, you know, this kind of thing with the pertains to Elon.
Look, the guy, the guy's rich.
It doesn't make him the most brilliant man ever and can do anything he wants with no mistakes or no anything ever.
And he certainly has gotten more, I think credibility because you're given that to him because he's rich.
That means he must be great and smart and all those things.
And of course we know that's not.
necessarily.
Oh, now we got to live in the world of billionaires.
Literally, I mean, Harvey, I know we're kind of bouncing over the place, but I think I saw that that Elon Musk challenged was number one, ripping on the president of Poland.
And then challenge said he challenged what Vladimir Putin to a fight.
Is this is this what's happening right now?
And I would just say on behalf of Vladimir Putin, I accept
Elon
I will take that action.
I'll bring the popcorn.
Harvey, there are some.
some concerning issues.
One of them, and maybe we only got a couple minutes left in this segment regarding the media, a continual slide, what I see it from our mainstream media sources, Ruth Marcus, an associate editor and columnist over at the Washington Post has resigned.
She wanted to put up an article that was critical of the decision-making of Bezos when they went after the whole editorial team and all that.
They wouldn't
publish it.
So she, you know, stood on her morals and decided she was no longer going to be at the Washington Post.
And we see this happening over and over again.
I mean, obviously Bezos by the post, we got Zuckerberg and Facebook and we got the billionaire owning over at the LA Times.
And it's already been very difficult for journalists and journalism in general and local media and local newspapers.
I mean, what we do in here over at Civic Media is really kind of against the grain.
And I want to talk a little bit about that on the other side here, Harvey.
And then also as well, this protester from Columbia.
On it here legally on a green card picked up under the orders of Donald Trump So the president can now just start having people arrested
AOC had some words on that.
And I certainly have some thoughts on that.
We don't get Harvey's thoughts on that as well.
You know, he is, he is the, the professor meritorious of democracy.
And I think in order to have a democracy, we actually do need to have some working justice system as well.
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The goings on in the media world another one from the Washington Post has departed Let me just read a couple paragraphs here briefly if you would entertain me here columnist and associate editor Ruth Marcus and we quoted Ruth Marcus a lot on this show Announced her departure Monday saying she can no longer stay at the paper where she's worked for four decades After she and the chief executive and publisher will Lewis
She said that Will Lewis, the chief executive and publisher, he spiked her column?
Well, it was critical of Bezos' mandate to the opinion section.
Here is what she wrote in her resignation letter.
Jeff's announcement that the opinion section, while henceforth not published views that deviate from the pillars of individual liberties and free markets,
threatens to break the trust of readers that columnists are writing what they believe, now what the owner has deemed acceptable.
More than 75,000 digital subscribers cancelled within 48 hours of Bezos implementing the changes last month, and opinions editor David Shipley stepped down.
over the order, a Marcus went on to write, Will's decision to not run the column that I wrote respectfully dissenting from Jeff's edict, something that I have not experienced in almost two decades of column writing, underscore is that the traditional freedom of columnists to select the topics they wish to address and say what they think has been dangerously eroded.
Of course, remember, Bezos blocked the newspaper from endorsing Kamala Harris for president.
That caused 300,000 digital subscribers to cancel within days, and the Amazon executive has moved closer to Trump since the election.
Finally, Marcus said in her resignation letter, I love the post.
It breaks my heart to conclude that I must leave.
I have the deepest affection and admiration for my colleagues, and we'll miss them every day.
And I wish you both the best as you steered the storied and critical institution through troubled times.
But don't say anything bad about the boss.
Harvey K, the, the, the media in this, in this country is just taking a hit, man.
And I don't know, I don't think that billionaires owning the media is any better than billionaires owning the politicians.
If we don't have freedom of press in this country, you know, by, by folks that are not.
encumbered by a billionaire's influence, we really don't have freedom of press.
When John McCain's, you know, Senator John McCain warned us, and I rarely quote John McCain, but he warned us that the emergence of a dictator will be, the first thing we'll see is the loss
of a truly free press.
He warned about that, and he had Trump in mind.
Now, what Trump has been able to do, of course, he's lined up these... I know I joked about it before the break that, you know, there's little of loss amongst these billionaires, but it is the case that Trump has lined them up.
We saw them at the inauguration.
So, I was shocked, though, when Bezos did what he did regarding, you know,
bowing to Trump in his editorial pages insisting on, what do you say, individual liberties?
Individual liberties of free market.
I mean, that's like, take us back to the late 19th century kind of stuff.
So that surprised me.
I will tell you that I have had an online, what do you call it, web subscription, online subscription to the post.
and I canceled mine as a consequence.
Though in fact, apparently my subscription, I couldn't cancel for the next three weeks after I did that.
So I still have been getting the news stuff.
But it also surprised me what you just said.
I had no idea Ruth Marcus had stuck around that long.
I mean, it strikes me.
I mean, I know people's livelihoods are at stake, but it is the case that if they're told, from now on, you're going to toe the line intellectually and ideologically and editorially.
I mean, that should have driven the whole cast of characters out, I would think.
Yeah.
Um, anyhow, to me, it's all very disturbing.
The monopolization or oligopolization of the media is, I remember articles from when I was, you know, doing graduate work where people were worrying about it and got, and it's just gotten worse, obviously, over the past 50 years.
But you said something very interesting.
And I was, I, you said just before we went on to the break that civic media.
is trying to represent another voice, another set of ideas, an open conversation.
And I intended to say, I didn't realize you were going to say it then, I intended to say when we came back that there's a whole diverse array of folks who are trying to do that.
And I brag, sorry, I'm not, I don't get paid folks.
I do not get paid.
I do this because I really enjoy talking with Dom and with Jess and letting people hear what I have to say.
But I have to say that I think it's amazing.
what civic media is doing, especially in these moments.
And I'm proud to be a guest on a weekly basis with you.
So I'd say that as a compliment for what you guys do and also for what people have done in putting together civic media around the state of Wisconsin.
I'm out of the state.
I tell people by this, they can't believe what's happened here in the state politically.
But now hearing this, they think, wow, things must be happening anew there.
And thank you, Harvey.
I mean, it's always a pleasure to have you, man, and our friendship and our conversations have grown over the years.
And it's been, it's been a whole lot of fun.
And we wouldn't have this opportunity if we went out for the efforts of the folks here at Civic Media.
And it's not all, you know, news talk.
I mean, it's music and it's getting out and it's near their sports and there's things that are happening because at the end of the day, there's people in these local communities that are, that are, you know, interacting.
But, you know, there's not, doesn't have like the web presence of the Washington Post or the New York Times or the
It's just, it's just a different.
level.
And not to say that it's not as impactful, but when you, when you see these billionaires buying up these, these legacy newspapers and then just, you know, bending them to their will, I think, I think, you know, we, we as, as, as consumers of news and I, I get it.
I can differentiate Harvey between the opinion piece and the news piece.
You know, I'm not sure a lot of people can.
So like Donald Trump, because everything's crooked media, everything's, you know, the bad press.
Um, so I, I, I am concerned for, for us in this country because of that.
And thankfully there are, there are organizations out there like civic media and though there's others out there as well, uh, locally, like Wisconsin wants Wisconsin examiner, you know, urban walk, we got people that are, are putting stuff out there, cap time and you can go
It's funny.
I'm going to say something stupid right now.
But one thing that I've been reflecting on, I was professor, and I'm now professor emeritus of democracy and justice.
And I was thinking, did I fail to properly get my colleagues when I was there to name our program and my position?
Should we have called ourselves democracy and dictatorship?
And not because we want to promote it.
But we should have maybe spend a hell of a lot more time talking about how it happens.
Yeah.
Wasn't a Reagan who said made some comments about, you know, he doesn't pass through your bloodline.
You know, you got you got to fight every generation's got to fight for for their freedoms and their their version of demotion.
Every every every generation has those challenges, Harvey.
And I think
I blame the boomers, but I think we're, we're failing it now, man.
Uh, when, when, when, you know, everyone's in their silos and it's hard to have these conversations.
And when we talked about, uh, earlier when, when Bernie Sanders came to town over the weekend, Harvey, uh, he was in Kenosha.
She was in another, another small town, uh, thousands of people coming out on his, his anti oligarchy tour.
Uh, and, and one of the, one of the pro Trump or Trumpers at Parkside in, in Kenosha was out there and he was, you know, pro
pro-Trump and was mad how everybody was slandering as his words were, uh, the president.
Uh, and then he lamented that it was hard to have conversations with all people, you know, swear at him and doing all that.
And I, I, while I disagree with the slander, I do agree.
Yes.
You know, these conversations are, are getting more and more, I think difficult for some folks to have.
And I, I, I'm not clear how, how, how we, we engage without, you know, confronting.
You know what I'm saying?
I mean, I'm down to have a conversation.
But if you think, you know, doing the Nazi symbol is going to be ever okay with me, man.
There's no explaining those kinds of things away.
Look, their leader, Donald Trump, ended the possibility of good conversations when he referred to the whole cohort of Democratic politicians who had the audacity in his mind to challenge him.
He promised he was going to prosecute them.
And by the way, that may be coming.
Let's be clear about that.
That may well be coming.
And it's also the case, and let's be clear, that if MAGA forces believe that Donald Trump won the election of 2020, how do you possibly have a conversation about democracy and the making of change?
Makes it very difficult, doesn't it?
And when we, when you're talking about alternative facts, because, you know, at the end of the day, a conversation communication requires an agreement of, of, of certain facts.
You know what I'm saying?
Otherwise you just bouncing around.
So that, that's, that's the challenge.
And I think unfortunately, you know, people like Donald Trump, who is a skilled hustler.
is able to manipulate people's fears and be vindictive, and he has his own narcissistic tendencies that people grab onto, and he can, he motivates them with the fear.
And as it pertains to these other arrests coming, yeah, perhaps.
And let me just segue, if I may briefly, the arrest of Mahmood Khalil.
He is one of the Columbia protesters, a little reporting from the New Republic.
This is what Trump had to say today Following my previously signed executive orders ice proudly apprehended and detain Mahmood Khalil as that Trump puts it a radical foreign pro Hamas student at the campus of Columbia University This is the first arrest of many to come We know there are more students at Columbia and other universities across the country who have engaged in pro-terrorist anti-Semitic anti-American activity anti-American activity and the Trump administration will not tolerate it
Many are not students.
They are paid agitators.
We will find, apprehend and deport these terrorist sympathizers from our country never to return again.
If you support terrorism, including the slaughtering of innocent men, women and children, your presence is contrary to our national and foreign policy interests.
You are not welcome here.
We expect every one of America's colleges and universities to comply.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Now this guy's here.
Uh, he was arrested returning to his home, despite the fact he has a green card.
Ice initially informed his lawyer, Amy Greer, that they had revoked the student visa when Greer brought up Khalil's green card, which would make it much harder to detain him.
I said that was revoked to and hung up on her.
He's now thought to be in an ice facility in Louisiana.
Now this facility in Louisiana, according to the ACLU is pretty nasty.
He has now moved to the detention facility infamous for its rampant abuse of prisoners, including, quote, this is from the ACLU.
Restrictor of five-point shackles, prolonged solitary confinement, physical assault, sexual abuse, and denial of prescribed medications.
That's where this Columbia student protester, who Donald Trump is now labeled a terrorist, is being held as they revoked his green card, Harvey.
Yeah, you think?
There used to be.
there you know there has been something called due process so in fact in fact if they're convinced that he is in some ways broken the law then they should put him in a courtroom not in a prison not in a jail okay and as i think about Louisiana they have a pretty infamous prison down there i'm sure the question of how to incarcerate people ought to be explored more fully that's the one thing in vangola the prison down there no i mean seriously look there were
There are times when presidents issue executive orders that threaten rights and the Constitution.
This kind of event where ICE can go out and arrest someone with a green card, pick them up and throw them in a prison without any due process, that's unconstitutional and it's striking that
I wouldn't be surprised if there were mass protested campuses around the country.
There
And there should be protests from students around the country.
I certainly think so.
I mean, come on, where is the due process?
And this is coming not from a local prosecutor, not from a DA or anything like that.
This is coming from the White House.
The president said, arrest that person, and they went out and arrested him.
That doesn't seem like probable cause to me.
He has been charged with any crimes, let alone convicted of any crimes.
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75 civic lick to wrap up the day with something good.
Got our pal Harvey K here for one more segment.
Also just PS is on the board.
Who's, we got, we got some textures here as well.
I'm not, I'm going to share a little bit here.
If I made, I'm, you know, there's so many texts and some are very prolific.
So it's kind of, you know who you are, but it's kind of hard to get through them all.
But I didn't see a Len from Madison, something good.
I never knew what true happiness was until I got married.
But then it was too late.
What do you call?
a pee that rolls off the dinner plate.
Yeah.
Um, 10 years from now, Trump is going to be a long
Yeah, I mean, you know, actually speaking, the odds are probably pretty high that that would be the case, John.
So unfortunately, we got to live another four years under his administration.
Thank you, John.
Thanks for playing, man.
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You are next.
Welcome, Ollie.
What do you got for us?
Well, I woke up Sunday morning and for the first time since last fall, my clock was actually on time.
That's
Mine does the same thing.
I didn't, I didn't change mine this time.
I'm like, Oh, I got it.
My watch, my phone, I'll be fine.
I'll be fine.
And I woke up this morning thinking it was fire 30 and it wasn't.
It was six 30.
So my, yeah, my, my, my clock does the same thing.
It's got a mind of its own.
I think it might be a.
A musket clock.
Harvey, how about you, man?
You got
I went for a hike for the first time in a couple months Wow, this is something I love doing I love just packing a bag and just leaving the house and just going for a nice good long walkies
And it was glorious.
I walked around in the woods and I just listened to the birds.
I watched the squirrels.
I looked at the trees.
It was glorious.
Oh,
Yes, it was a glorious day today.
But I already said that.
But I do want to shout out happy birthday to my buddy John who turned 50.
Happy birthday, John.
We had a 50th birthday.
party for them.
And you know, these young kids, it's so cute.
Harvey, you know, these kids these days hardly got any graze, you know, all they're out pushing because that, that whole crew, I'm the oldest guy in the room now, Harvey.
I mean, most of the time when I'm hanging out with folks, I'm the oldest guy in the room, but I do
It's not the age Harvey.
It's the mileage But a happy birthday to John and his wife and put a great party together downtown Milwaukee went to Facility and had drinks and some food and had a lot of fun and I just got to tell you know
to have a good crew and the kind of folks that you see, you know, once or twice or maybe three times a year to get together and, and, and, and reminisce and make new times and laugh about the old times.
Uh, and, and just like, you know,
happened to meet John because his wife was a friend of my wife, my wife's and you know, all the, how the world kind of works.
And we just had an absolute ball.
It was great to see everybody took some great pics.
It had a wonderful time.
And if there's nothing, I mean, I love celebrating and the fiftieths are pretty good.
But one bad news was I couldn't find the nasty t-shirt that he got me when I turned 50.
I must have purged it in the move.
So I was going to give it back, but instead stuff ran to the store, got him some pepsid, some tomes, some,
Some readers, you know, you gotta get the readers, you know, you're getting all the gay gifts for all
Well, I was gonna say, when I turned 50 and I went into my, into a classroom, I told my students, do you realize that five of me laid out head to toe would take us back before the American Revolution?
Wow.
And now, and now we could say it takes us back to the, you know,
Basically to the founding 250 years mm-hmm.
Yeah, so you and your friends basically only five 250
Hey, you look great for 250, Harvey.
Harvey K, our friend, professor, meritorious of democracy from the university of Wisconsin, Green Bay.
Harvey, always a pleasure.
Look forward to next week, man.
Thank you.
Thank you, Jess.
P.S.
Working hard on the board.
Thank you all of our fine friends and listeners tomorrow.
Angel Lane going to join me at five o'clock, I believe.
Now stick around.
Pete Schwab of the night light is coming up next.
Go out and enjoy the sunlight, folks.
Have a great