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Monday through Friday Maggie welcome back.

Thanks, Dom.

It's always good

to be with you today was more of a monologue I my hair was on fire what a couple of two tree things

I heard you a little bit through the door yeah we got some catching up to a misty yesterday even though I was here

But you're not the only one that gets to take a vacation.

I like this Friday's off thing.

I could get used to that.

Right.

Lots of things to get to make you want to get your opinion on the national stage of the situation going on with Mayor Adams from New York City.

And the actions that he has taken in conjunction with the Trump administration looks like a quid pro quo kind of a deal.

Uh, and looks like looks like

they actually wrote it down

that it was They wrote it down.

They documented it

Yeah, the like second in command like the deputy attorney general Emile Bove who's Donald Trump's former criminal lawyer wrote a memo to the southern district of New York and said this is why you're gonna dismiss these charges against Eric Adams and it's because

like a Russia U.S.

prisoner swap that we did a couple years ago for Britney Griner.

Yeah, Eric Adams is going to go whole hog for the Trump administration and do whatever he says.

And just know that the reason that is absolute, they wrote it down.

They wrote it down.

But the other instruction that was really important to pay attention to was that it was to dismiss the case without prejudice, which means it can be refiled against Mayor Adams.

If he, you know, criticizes Donald Trump or doesn't,

doesn't

execute his daily marching orders in immediate course, right?

Like literally it's an anvil above his head waiting to drop at any time if Trump deems his capitulation, his compliance with the directives insufficient.

and considering the circumstances.

What leverage?

Fabulous leverage.

And for Adams to accept a deal like that, knowing, I mean, how bad a shape does he have to be and to accept a crappy deal like that?

I mean, I could see maybe, yes, it was dismissed with prejudice, so he cannot bring the charges again.

They'll be like, yeah, man.

Well,

listen, Dom, if I told you your choices were

do

not pass go and go directly

to federal

prison for a number of years for corruption,

Avoid it for now with the hopes of always avoiding it or Those are your only two options.

I think most of us would go door number two.

We'll take it.

Yeah, we'll take the crappy deal And and along with that though the the four deputy

mayors also have resigned.

I mean, it is just a circus over there.

Another question is New York Times reporting the governor Huckle, meaning with city leaders to discuss a path forward.

A little quote from her, overturning the will of the voters is a serious step that should not be taken lightly.

She said in a statement that said the alleged conduct of city hall has been reported.

That has been reported over the last two weeks is troubling and cannot be ignored.

Now, according to the constitution, coming up

pretty soon here.

One of the reasons that Donald Trump said this was an unlawful prosecution because it's during the campaign and Donald Trump knows something about being prosecuted quote unquote during the campaign.

Eric Adams was originally charged nine months before the.

New York City mayoral election, which is

doesn't make a distinction.

He was charged before it, too.

He still called it election interference.

It

was happening then.

Was it a little bit like Jim Comey, righteous, tall Jim Comey, dropping the Hillary Clinton email server bomb two weeks before that?

Was that OK to Donald?

I mean, he was all about that.

That

helped.

That helped him certainly.

Good

news.

So.

Should the governor, do you think the governor should remove him given the circumstances here?

I

say yeah.

I

say yes.

Let's disagree, Dom.

I'm gonna

say no.

One, because there is an election that is very near term.

If this was within the first year of his mayorship, I would have likely a different answer.

I don't know enough about New York's constitution, though I am licensed to practice law

there,

whether or not a recall is possible.

And listen, New York has a city council.

There's lots of ways to try to reign in a mayor.

I just think it plays into the talking points of the Trump, Vance, oligarch, billionaire.

Putin fan club to just say well, oh this elected official we're getting rid of I just don't

see are you kidding me?

It seems like exactly something they would do if they could do it and this is a guy

doesn't mean that

I get it, but this is a guy who based on the charges Seems like he's pretty deep

Charges that haven't been tested before a jury that haven't been subjected to the rules of evidence in court.

I mean

this is the problem with these kinds of actions that are very extraordinary and extreme.

And there's no

doubt, Donald, it's the same, it's the same question about the pardons, right?

Biden pardoning everybody, but like, is that a good idea?

My argument then as it remains today was no, not a good idea.

These are the norms that are difficult to stand by when it seems to

be contrary to what you think is the appropriate outcome.

But it's the humility in the face of the voters.

I mean, New Yorkers picked them.

There were some other substantial candidates for the mayorship of New York City.

It's a question, do New Yorkers want to proceed with Mayor Adams?

This close to an election, I likely don't remove him.

Folks, you're listening to the Dom Salvia show.

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We're going to disagree on this one.

Maggie Dawn, this election.

Disagreement

with you

now.

The election is going to be held in November.

It's February.

It's a long

ways

away, right?

And the.

The chaos is enveloping City Hall.

You got all these people that are stepping down.

You got the feds, you got Trump coming in, you got all sorts of concerns from, you know, conducting governmental business with this at the head.

Does that weigh in at all on your decision, knowing that this is not just about Adams.

I mean, he's got people around him that are dropping like flies and stepping down.

I'll just say this, from my experience in local government,

of nowhere near the size of New

York City,

right?

The vast majority of the apparatus of local government, especially, is filled with long-serving public servants that will show up and keep getting their job done to the best of their ability.

The real tension point, I think, is not the factual basis.

for the corruption charges, though that certainly would be enough to impeach Mayor Adams.

The thing that I draw that is the hardest question for me to answer is he now literally has an anvil over his head and he is basically beholden.

He's a lackey with the threat of federal prosecution.

for the Trump administration.

What

assurances do I have, if I were a New York City resident, or Governor Honcho, Mayor Adams, that you are exercising independent judgment that the answers to what does New York do now aren't being dictated to you by the Trump administration?

That, to me, is the core of the question.

And that was the reason for the four deputy mayors resigning today, right?

They said, he's asking us to do and say things that...

we don't want to and don't think are in the best interests of New York City because they benefit the Trump administration.

If you have now signed your government, your New York City government over to the Trump administration, and there's direct specific factual evidence of that beyond resignations, I'd want to see like, hey, here was the directive I got from the mayor or,

I was like, no, we're not doing that.

I don't understand why that benefits New Yorkers.

That then makes it a meteor and more difficult question.

Sitting here today at 415 or whatever it is, I don't think I can go there.

Again, it plays exactly into what JD Vance was saying in Munich.

It is that you know like you have to you have to think two or three steps ahead

But you know like those I'm not gonna worry about what JD Vance says in Munich and what the Trumpsters are gonna do with you all their Fortarians are gonna do they're gonna do those things regardless maybe nothing that we do was going to appease or I'm

not saying we're gonna convince a single maga

So how about I'm not gonna worry about it.

There is a bigger political picture

The burden right now, like it or not, is on Democrats to go figure out what the hell to do next and how to change the message.

Yeah, line them up and knock them down when you get in bed.

How?

You get rid of Eric Adams.

Number one, bang, you're out.

We don't want that here.

Okay.

There you go.

What's beyond that?

That's step one.

That's step one.

There may be a reason you're on the radio, sir.

Step three is profit.

Step two, we don't know yet.

We'll figure out step two.

It's like the underwear gnomes from South Park.

But doing nothing, waiting for what?

More chaos to come to the city of New York?

I'm not saying do nothing.

There is a New York attorney general.

There is a Manhattan prosecutor.

There is a district attorney, right?

These are real things.

Donald Trump can't pardon or wipe away state law-based criminal charges.

What's going on?

But if that goes for it, which it certainly could, given the circumstances of the federal case, what are they going to say then?

Well, it's a weaponization of justice.

And they're going to do these things regardless, right?

But it's OK that

I'm going to say that.

Then I'm back to it.

Right.

But

there is a problem.

To take Governor Hochul is right in saying it is an extraordinary step.

It is.

To take someone out of office that is duly elected by the governor's soul judgment.

This would be different if we had the bicameral news

state

legislature.

It's in the state constitution so I mean that's just how it is.

Yes but there is a difference would you not concede between an impeachment proceeding that occurs in a legislature and a governor a one single person exercising yes their constitutionally granted authority.

What if it's not Hochle the next time?

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mean

No on on the charges being dropped against that hearing

happening tomorrow now the judges options if a prosecution's office

Decides to dismiss a judge can't stand in the way the question is with or without prejudice

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Before we move on to the Wall Street Journal reporting of the J six.

Crime mean.

Let's get one caller in here.

Karina from Milwaukee.

Welcome Karina your first today.

What do you got for us?

Hi, guys.

Well, you know, I completely agree with me because it's silly.

It sounds silly when the Democrats are doing impeachment and going on the streets and saying, we're not going to allow that to do it.

You are minority.

You have to understand it.

For me, when you saying what we're supposed to do with it, that would be me.

What

do

I want to do?

I want to be in every possible operation Trump is involved.

If it's a dodge, I want to be a part of it.

If this is a destruction of education in the country, I want to be a part of it and make it bipartisan.

You get yourself in the place where

are in the store I store.

That makes sense because then you have a knowledge and you can actually influence things right there, right now.

You cannot do anything else because you are in the minority.

Thank you, Karina.

Appreciate it.

Yeah.

Certainly they are and whether or not the Republicans allow them into the room or not, you know, we'll that'll have to wait to see what happens there whether you know to say that to suggest perhaps that you know the Democratic Party should be

part of the dismantling, for instance, Korean of the Department of Education.

I mean, I don't know.

I mean, I kind of disagree with that.

Certainly, as we talked about, there can be, you know, created fine deficiencies and process improvement.

So all those kinds of things can always happen.

But I think what the Republicans are trying to do is beyond that.

And I don't know that the Democrats being in the room are going to be able to slow them down whatsoever.

Now, it's a different situation on the state level.

For instance, the governor of the state of New York could take this action that would

perhaps send a signal, but you know, I make you what are your thoughts?

Well, it's where were the Democrats talking about government efficiency before this, right?

Like that's part of the problem is we've got to get way less precious about every single issue.

refocus on the core things and be able to have hard conversations.

Democrats have always been a big tent party.

I've said this again and again.

We have to be able to tolerate internal disagreement, but agree on the really big things and stop all of the infighting, like primarying the heck out of fellow Democrats.

Like we're looking at a primary today.

Right?

For the Department of Public Instruction, where you've got basically someone running to the left of the current Superintendent of Public Instruction, and a sort of a darling-ish, but doesn't look totally MAGA person.

It's like...

Can we get together and just decide what the best course of action is here?

That's what political parties normally do, not silencing dissent.

You continue to have all those disagreements.

But again, I just think we have missed the big picture things that Donald Trump was able to motivate voters about.

To me, a lot of it's the preciousness.

You cannot be all things to all interest groups and all people all of the time and win elections because you end up internally inconsistent.

Why haven't Democrats?

I mean, not to be.

too self-oriented in this debate.

The first year I was running a department in government, I was like, why are there 8,000 different budget line items?

It's like, tell me what all of this is.

Make it make sense.

And every year I cut my budget and yet I was able to compensate people more by looking very carefully.

Democrats don't always have to be

huge spenders.

We can have these conversations about the soft, mushy bits, right, that we need to do better about.

And without doing that, you always leave yourself open to attack from those flanks.

Donald Trump has exploited those weaknesses.

To the highest order right masterfully successful at exploiting those kinds

of successful exploiting the weaknesses Pardon me successful at getting elected two out of three times less successful and following through with the claims that he's what he's going to do

Yeah,

because the promises were ephemeral and garbage,

right?

The promises

of lower egg prices and lower gas prices and immediate world peace, all smoke

screens.

This time around, last time the promises were, I'm going to replace Obamacare with something great.

I mean, all the things

were... Yeah, concept of a plan, Dominic.

Concept of a plan.

It's coming

to two weeks.

But listen, he ran on the idea of increased government efficiency in part, right?

Like that was part of it.

He talked about Elon Musk.

He didn't clearly disclose this to the American people, right?

But there have been things that groups of people in the United States have been, ideas that have been motivating to them.

The question of whether it's just all racist Nazi nonsense, or was there some kernel of truth in there?

What is it that the Democratic

party does in response to some of these concerns.

Now, Donald Trump, again, manipulative, racist, xenophobic, anti-Semitics, all of that.

And yes.

And plus.

Yeah,

right.

It's like you've got to be able to see what fig leaf of legitimate public policy was he able to put on some of this.

And we've got to be able to criticize all the hate while still being able to say, here's what we're going to do to make those things better.

Right meaning it's got to be more efficient taxpayers have to have confidence I mean the city of Milwaukee for years published a little pamphlet every year that said here's where every dollar of your tax dollars Here's where it goes in the city government.

Yeah, right like where's that for the feds?

Those kinds of things that are accessible and understandable to people are essential to rebuilding trust right otherwise It's just like two two sides just screaming at each other

It is, and we have to be able to do the calling out the hate and the very clear move towards authoritarianism.

The authoritarian dictator playbook, the alignment of US interests with Russian interests is garbage.

I mean, we've been working since World War II to spread democracy and get away from authoritarianism.

And what in two days, Donald Trump is like, ah, forget that.

I think there might be some oil over there that we need

or I want to build

it.

Tower in Moscow.

I mean,

who

knows?

We got some minerals that we want.

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Nice to see you, girl.

Good to see you.

Thanks for having me,

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Even though we think a lot of like

I tell you, I'm getting me a little more hard ass in this thing, man.

I think, I think the governor of New York should squash Eric Adams like a bug.

That's what I think.

And the people need to start executing their power.

If you have it and given the circumstances of Eric Adams now being the, the toady of the Trump administration with a lawsuit or indictment hanging over his head, if he doesn't toll the line properly, it seems to me would indicate that maybe he doesn't have the,

finds city of New York citizens, uh, in his mind when he's making his decisions, but, but, but, but I digress eight, five, five, seven, five, two, four, eight, four, two.

Oh, we're going to get to this Wall Street Journal article in just a moment.

The J six rioters, are you part of the supply to charges, including murder plot and child porn?

Only the best, only the best.

Uh, but before we dive in, we've got some callers and some textures and you know how we roll here.

always take priority.

Here is one of our buddy CJ.

Haven't heard from you in a while.

Welcome back CJ.

What's on your mind today?

Well, thanks Dom.

As I listen to Maggie and yourself, I find it funny your concern for the Constitution now when we saw the previous administration walk all over it.

You have an example of that?

Well, I've given it before the student loan

forgiveness.

All right.

So he did, yeah, he did some executive orders.

They were pushed back and then he reworked it and did some more executive orders and, you know, save people some money on their student loans.

Yeah.

Okay,

man.

He was trying to buy votes is what he was doing.

Hang on a second CJ.

Now, I appreciate that.

Let's talk about buying votes for just a moment.

What's your opinion on the tariffs?

Do you think Donald Trump should, even though he, you know, negotiated the

got rid of NAFTA and did the new, the new North, the Canadian, the new, the new one that he did.

I'm, I can't come up with the acronym right now, the, the Mexico, USA, Canada agreement that he did, that he is now a superseding with these tariffs.

Do you think the tariffs are a good idea, CJ?

25% tariffs on our biggest trading partners.

I think they're amazing bargaining chip.

Okay.

Well, let me ask you about this and thank you for your answer Let me ask you another question about the last time Donald Trump did tariffs last time you did tariffs The Chinese stopped buying lots of our agriculture if you've been listening to show we've been harping on this for about the last week reminding people of what happened when that happened Donald Trump went to pocket to our the taxpayers of this country and Cut checks directly to farmers in the amount of 12 billion dollars one time and 16 billion dollars another time in the total

$28 billion, right?

Not alone, straight up money paid to them during the election, CJ.

Is that buying votes as well?

No, I wouldn't exactly say

that.

What would you call it?

If that's not buying votes, is that a successful trade operation?

Is that successful tariff planning?

It's the same thing that Obama did with the auto industry

No, no, no, no, I'm gonna cut you off right there CJ.

Thanks for calling but listen closely What Obama did and this was a bipartisan issue and I wasn't real happy with it was bail out the auto industry Those were loans with interest and they were mostly paid back what Trump did to the tune of almost 30 billion dollars was cut checks

from the CCC program, a New Deal-era program, and that money was never meant to come back.

It was never to be repaid.

That was just out of pocket, man.

So those are different, man.

What Obama did was different.

What Biden did was different than what Trump did.

Now, we can look at all these things and make an assessment, but that's my impression, man.

You think something's different.

You think that that was like an auto bailout, an auto loan bailout, man?

You got to read up on it.

That was checks cut out of the bottom line goes right to the national debt because of BS bunk decision making the last time Trump got us into a trade war to the tune of what 30 billion dollars almost when he was cutting checks to the farmers right during the election that one could legitimately consider

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Welcome Cindy.

What do you got for us?

I Don't know that man just blew my brains out of my head

Keep it

together Cindy Anyway, I am calling because a guy at work who obviously is a supporter of the felon talked about what Musk is doing with social curie right now is a really good thing because

He has found over 200,000 checks going to people that have been going for over 50 years, which would mean these people are all well over 100.

So he's cleaning up the social security.

So now I

suppose

they're going to cut the social security for everybody because that's what they do.

So I mean, God, where does this stuff come from?

Well,

Cindy, it comes from the top.

It comes from Doge.

It comes from the Trump administration.

And it comes from Trump's press secretary.

And thank you for the segue.

We'll go here perhaps right now, according to the new republic.

And here we go.

Trump's press secretary, Caroline Levitz, claimed tens of millions of dead people were receiving social security payments.

Here is a quote that she said during appearance on the Fox, don't call it news yesterday, quote.

President Trump has directed Elon Musk and the Doge team.

Apparently, Elon Musk does not work for Doge.

I don't know what's happening, but let's keep going.

Trump has directed Musk and the Doge team to identify fraud at the Social Security Administration.

They haven't dug into the books yet.

Well, they have it, but they, but they suspect.

Oh, there it is.

They suspect.

That's a very different word.

You know, some people say, I suspect that Elon Musk and Doge are hacks, but that's only my suspicion.

They suspect that there are tens of millions of deceased people receiving fraudulent social security payments.

Again, she said that on Fox don't call it news.

She said Doge was seeking to identify payments that are going to deceased people who are no longer living.

and should no longer be receiving that money.

Well, Caroline, I think the definition of deceased is no longer living, a little redundant.

Just say that identified payments are going to deceased people who are no longer loving.

Well, what if those checks are going to deceased people who will continue to

live?

We've got a real zombie problem

in the United States.

Zombies are collecting to social security.

Man.

I mean, talking about busting the system because zombies, they don't die.

I mean, you got to like get them in the head or something.

There's very

specific roles.

Yeah.

Yeah.

You got a very specific way to kill the zombies.

Uh, love it.

Now this is a press secretary seeking to identify payments.

They're going to deceased people that are no longer living.

I'm sorry.

I am a short guy who's not very tall.

I'm a fat guy.

It's not very skinny.

She claimed that she had been spent the day battling with fake news reporters who had been fear mongering about Musk.

Earlier in the day, Michelle King, SSA's acting commissioner resigned.

Yeah.

Social security administration, acting administrator resigned due to a clash with the unelected bureaucrat, the deep state, I guess one would say one

might.

who recently gained access to the agency's database that contained troves of sensitive data belonging to the Americans.

For someone with mere suspicions, as Levitt puts it, Musk has been steadily ramping up his public claims about fraud at the Social Security Administration.

Last week, he said Doe's review of the SSA had uncovered people marked as 150 years old who had been receiving social security benefits.

Musk said during his appearance at the Oval Office, quote, now, do you know anyone that's 150?

I don't know.

They should be in the Guinness Book of World Records.

So that's the case where I think they're probably dead.

He repeated the claim on X on Sunday, attaching a chart of how many people in different age brackets had received social security benefits, suggesting that more than 16 million people whose ages were marked between 110 and 370 years old were receiving social security benefits.

Now, did he provide any evidence for that?

Any receipts?

The chart.

There was a chart.

Did

the chart have any sources cited on

it?

I mean, there was, there was a chart that had numbers on it.

That's

not a source cited.

According to the social security database, these are the numbers of people in each age buckets with the death field sent to false.

Maybe twilight is real and there are a lot of vampires collecting social security must grow.

You know, this DEI deep state operative really in the last four weeks is really getting under my skin.

I mean, remember the 50 million in condoms that went to Gaza?

Remember that?

I do.

I also heard at one point that it might have been a hundred million.

We were also sending apparently dozens of millions of dollars of condoms to the Taliban.

Okay.

Yeah.

Yeah.

A lot of condoms.

That's a lot of condoms.

That's a lot of condoms.

So when, when Doge and this administration comes up with peer BS, like 50 million dollars of the condoms going to Gaza, which is not true.

Republicans, we've talked about it in any way, shape or form.

I'm not even close.

I mean, pull from ass, totally made up, not accurate in any way, shape or form.

For me, kind of

lessons their credibility.

I mean, I'm just saying, I mean, that's, if that's, if you walk into a bar and you play a game of pool and the guy cheats when you're, when you're, when you think you're not looking, you probably want to play with the guy anymore, right?

You kind of get an understanding of how things are.

And I don't think that certainly Donald Trump is a big, fat liar.

And, and Elon Musk has been, let's call it wrong before.

So why would I assume that this is now the case?

Where is the critical thinking?

Where is the objective thought process for anyone when you're hearing these things coming out of Doge and Elon Musk and essentially the Trump administration?

Let's just call it what it is.

This is Trump's plan.

These are his people.

This is coming from the Trump administration.

All right, a little bit more back to the New Republic report.

Then we'll get to your calls 855-752-4842.

In total, the chart inexplicably alleges that 400 million people were receiving social security benefits while the SSA's website states that in 2024 there were under 67 million social security recipients.

But that's not the only part of Musk's fraud claims that don't quite pass the smell test.

Doge didn't discover fraud, but a filing error that was already made public in a 2023 report from the inspector general's office.

The office found that the social security databases, specifically the

Death Masterfire file, DMF, and the NUMIDENT file, N-U-M-I-D-N-T NUMIDENT file containing identifiable information for each person issued a social security number were not always updated when someone died.

Yeah, kind of like the voter rolls, I guess.

The NUMIDENT contained the names of more than 18 million people born before 1920 who had no death information.

Quote, death information missing from the NUMIDENT and the DMF hampers, both SSA and government-wide efforts to prevent and detect fraud and misuse, the report authors said.

Again, in 2023, this isn't the first time that Musk claimed Doe's discovered something that was actually publicly available.

Crucially, the so-called discovery doesn't necessarily indicate fraud.

That same report found that 98% of Social Security number holders aged 100 years or older were not receiving benefits.

Ultimately, the report determined that the system didn't need to be updated because it was too expensive.

Musk should like that kind of thing, right?

Now let's spend $10 to save five, right?

Musk.

The SSA has other means of combating the issues since 2015.

The SSA has had a policy of automatically terminating entitlement to beneficiaries who are aged 115 or older in any current continuous suspense for seven years or more, or entitled on a record where there are no other beneficiaries in a non-terminated status younger than the age of 115.

You know, I mean, you know how hard it is to get.

Sometimes, I mean, people are rejected more often than not.

Expert services does another possible explanation talking about cobalt, a six year old programming language, so on and so forth.

I guess to, to our, our callers point, this is where they're hearing this.

So you take, again, I guess you take a sliver of truth.

Apparently there are some issues getting the dead people on the road, but expensive to go through line by line and get it done.

Okay.

But there's not people that are claiming to be 150 years old that are, that are cashing checks.

That's just not.

happening.

So, I mean, I'm down as we talked with Maggie Dawn about, yeah, where is the operational efficiencies?

Where is the efforts to streamline and to make government for efficient, all those things.

Okay, I'm down for that.

You know, man, when I was in grad school, it was always about process innovation.

You know, those these things that never ever stopped.

So there should always be that kind of mindset.

That doesn't mean it's not there, just because not publicly talked about and espoused from the soapbox in the middle of the park.

But presumably there are some efforts and if there's not there should be and we should all be be thankful for, you know, trying to get things and save some money where we can.

But to go out and specifically spread false information to make accusations.

And for the president's press secretary to go up and on Fox News and say, Oh, yeah, I don't know when they haven't dug into the bush, but they suspect that there's tens of millions of DC's people cash in checks.

It's irresponsible at best and outright lying.

Probably at worth come back with us your calls 855-752-4842

And welcome back to the Dom Salvia show 855-752-484-2855-755 Civic gonna go to the lines in just a moment talking about this You know suspicion that there's million

millions of dead people and zombies, cash and checks.

Former governor, Martin O. Malley was on CNN recently.

The raw story wrote up what he had to say.

And this is what he said.

While there are outliers within the 72.5 million inside the system, he was said it was more common for benefits to be erroneously cut off.

Yeah, let's, let's do that.

How many people have been erroneously cut off from their benefits?

You got that one

must cause that's gotta, if something is cut off erroneously, it's a hell of a process to get it back on again.

Right?

If you don't, if you don't make those mistakes on the, on the front end, you have to worry about fixing it on the back end.

But I digress.

Martin O'Malley said this, but no Elon Musk, I mean the co-presidents keep throwing stuff out on Twitter that they can never back up.

I mean, ask Elon Musk.

Show me the 200 million that are still receiving checks.

He can't.

These 19-year-old nitwits from Doge that are violating the law and plucking people's personal identifying information, they don't know what they're looking at.

O'Malley concluded that driving another 10,000 people from the agency already in an all-time low on staff levels is the biggest threat to social security.

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Cam, our buddy from Appleton.

You're next.

Welcome, Cam.

What do you got for us?

Afternoon, guys.

I know you touched on a little bit earlier about the whole ball language, the 60-year-old one.

The woman that created that language, I believe, actually just passed away recently.

But that language was revolutionary.

And just for businesses in general,

to use just before business processes.

So it's not like it's some like archaic thing that nobody uses anymore.

It's still heavily used.

And I can guarantee you, you'd find spots that Fortune 500, Fortune 100 companies are constantly still using it.

Amazon definitely still uses it.

So I just wanted to mention for people to understand out there, this thing, if it doesn't have a specific date with inside of it, like

2025.

It uses the default, which is 1875.

I believe

May 20th, 1875 is the default.

Yes.

Yeah.

There we go.

So it'll go to a default date.

And then for other people that show up on there that are not at the 150 year mark for any of those other years, if this.

United States doesn't receive proof of death.

Like let's say someone dies outside of the country, which it can happen.

If they don't receive the proof of death, then they just leave it, but they keep track of it.

It's just that they don't have another field saying, uh, this person was eaten by sharks, but we can't prove it, you know?

Yeah.

And so then are those checks getting cash cam?

No, absolutely not.

There's no way for them to be because they're not even being issued.

Well, yeah, you should you should join doge cam.

Thank you for bringing it up and explaining the cobalt just a little bit We'll put the new republic.com post up in the new the notes for the show.

Thank you cam.

Let's get on the lines eight five five seven five two four four two mark from the sec you are next Welcome sir.

What do you

got for us?

Yeah, somebody who worked doing audits during part of my career I mean that these guys obviously aren't looking at the real data.

They're just spilling pulling the stuff out of some

some orifices that is not very pleasant and just spewing it out there and it's just ridiculous they should put these guys under oath you know make it must must go under oath and say this is what we found and obviously he's not going to do that because they're just making this stuff up i mean if there's 72 people receiving annuities from the social security administration there's not tens and tens of millions of people you know getting illegitimate benefits out of it i mean it just

It makes no sense.

I mean, I'm just, I'm babbling here, but I just, when your face of this kind of nonsense is, you know, sometimes what I faced, you know, when I was doing some audits, you just kind of, you just flabbergasted when they, they keep spewing the stuff out.

Yeah.

And, and they keep spewing it out.

And this is coming from the top.

I mean, this is the white house press secretary.

This is Musk, you know, the richest man in the world and his pet little X out there pushing.

pushing the lies.

I mean, until they can prove it, like O'Malley or like Martin O'Malley said, show me the 200 million people.

Where, where, where are those checks getting cash?

I mean, if you check to get cash, they go into an account, right?

Yeah.

There's a trail

of it.

There's

a reason why you say follow the money

because it leaves a trail.

It's only people are getting double bags of actual cash dollars.

They're not getting gold bars

for social security.

If you take the check and you cash it, you ever look at a clear check, you know what I mean?

There's an account number on the bank and process to the bank.

I mean, I can look at clear checks on my bank account.

You know what I'm saying?

So it's disingenuous.

And while I certainly would hate to see any fraud on any scale, small scale or massive scale, sometimes you hear y'all, you know, someone's

elderly mother relative died and they kept him in the home and were cashed in her social security.

I mean,

but that's an incredibly rare thing.

It's not like this is happening constantly.

And that's not going to be something that, that dough, that these Elon Musk is going to start knocking on doors and making sure and going door to door to door and make sure they want everyone over a hundred years, 115 years old are still living.

It's just, you know, it's just, it's just not going to be at some point there are diminishing returns.

You're not going to spend $10 to save five.

I'm just saying.

So while there, there, there is some, I guess,

built in cost for that to have these 19 year old kids and Elon Musk out there.

And of course the Trump's press secretary.

I mean, they haven't dug into the books yet, but they

suspect

there are tens of millions of deceased people receiving all they can suspect it.

Of course they suspect it.

That's why they're looking into it.

But I would say that, that seeking to identify the payments that are going to deceased people who are no longer living.

Should be really should be really easy Then define the checks of going to deceased people who are still living I mean that's really the battle and now we got a whole another problem on our hands folks This is the Dom Salvi show come back with us eight five five seven five two four eight four two We're gonna get to the J six crimes do the partons that were given to the J six insurrectionist bastards apply to other crimes that they were committing before or after That and more recalls eight five five seven five civic

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But however, we have been talking about the alleged fraud at the Social Security Administration.

Elon Musk has claimed, oh, there's lots of fraud, people are 150 years old, cash in checks, press secretary Caroline Levitt has gone on Fox News last night talking about, well, they haven't dug into the books yet, but they suspect some people say, I've heard there was a meme on the internet.

And I saw it on Fox Don't Call It News.

All those things you should probably double check.

I'm just saying.

She said that they suspect there are tens of millions of deceased people receiving fraudulent social security payments.

I wonder if those are the same tens of millions of people that are fraudulently voting as well.

Don't forget that, that's another big rallying cry from the GOP when they lose the hell, even when they win elections.

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But some folks want to jump in on that conversation, so we'll continue the SSA conversation for a bit more.

8-5-5-7-5, Sivak Susan from McFarland.

You will be next.

Welcome, Susan.

What do you got?

Oh, I just wanted to say that there, every time somebody dies, they get their social security number and they report it to the Social Security and my husband passed away and they withdrew his Social Security and his VA benefits like put in a blink.

Wow.

I mean, it's so quick to, I mean, it takes you so long to get VA benefits.

But boy, when, when he dies, they were out of the checking account quickly.

So,

well, Susan, well, sorry for your loss.

And let me, let me ask you though.

I mean, so you mentioned it was, it was difficult for your husband to get signed up.

It was a lengthy process to get his VA benefits.

Was that what you're saying?

Yes.

It takes a long time and a lot of work to prove that you are disabled due to, he was in Vietnam.

So it took, it took months, if not over, over a couple of years to get those benefits.

for him.

Wow.

And after he passed Susan, how long did it take for the government to rescind and take away those benefits?

Less than two weeks.

Wow.

That seems pretty efficient to me.

It doesn't at least on the back end.

Yeah, it is very efficient on the back end.

And there's so much, so many hoops you have to go through to get to be considered disabled with the VA.

Yeah.

Um, and, but anyway, so nobody, it's all, it's all garbage actually.

So I feel, you know, my mom passed the same thing happened to her, her, her, her social security was taken out within a, less than a month after she passed.

So it just, it's really, it goes

quick.

Susan, as far as signing up for the benefits and having to prove the disability and being the veteran in Vietnam, as you mentioned, what was, what was your thought as, as you

both were going through that.

Did you think it was cumbersome on the front end?

Did you think it was proper and righteous?

What was your thought as you were going through that process, if you

recall?

No, it was very cumbersome because you have to go to see the doctors and get, you have to be proven that you had a disability.

You also, because a lot of the disabilities from war are not physical, they're mental.

And you have to go to a doctor, then you have to be

screened by several people.

They have to say that you, and the VA has specific benefits they give out for whatever theater you are in.

So in Vietnam, it took a long time for them to even consider Agent Orange as a disability.

And

so it's very difficult.

I mean, it's very difficult.

They have such narrow parameters.

I mean, nobody can just run in and get, get Sam a hundred percent disabled and walk out and get benefits

and walk out with a check.

Right.

Right.

Yeah.

Susan, thank you for sharing your, your experiences with us.

I certainly appreciate your perspective.

Eight, five, five, seven, five, two, four, eight, four, two, Joe from Madison.

You're next.

Welcome, Joe.

What do you got for us?

That was really interesting information that Susan had.

And I think that's really worth looking at again, because they're talking about the VA under the egress of Musk and company of being slight, you know, slash and burn.

So I think that we are not done with how hard it may be for people to get their justified VA benefit.

So anyway, great.

And that was my experience too.

When it came to social security, literally within two weeks at same as Susan, when my mother and my brother passed, same thing, you know,

It's gone.

It's gone.

I'm calling because of this, though, the way that this whole thing is being framed.

And I think it's so important.

Mark said previously, you'd like to see a lawn musk under oath.

I think it's this.

inability to look at truth.

I mean, this was Trump.

This was the 3000 lines he had in his first administration.

And now here we have the man's richest man in the world, Elon Musk snorting around in our financial matters.

And I would say, where's the evidence?

That's the it just keep asking, what's the evidence?

Where's the evidence?

You said it yourself.

If they say they have these checks, hey,

Find them, show them, and that you have a news person supposedly, the press secretary appearing on Fox News saying, we have suspicions.

What reporter goes with a story to their, to their news editor and says, I have suspicions.

Good enough.

Can we go with that?

Are you

kidding me?

You can't do that.

Well, I suppose it's Fox news, which paid out.

I don't know what 700 million for that defamation case.

Well, that's, that was the Dominion case, Joe.

They still have smartmatic and that's going to be over a billion, uh, at least as it's, as it's requested by smartmatic right now, they may settle for less than that, but yeah, that's still ongoing.

Yeah.

But not surprising when you have a news network that, that actively lies that admitted lying to its audience.

Yeah.

And I would say, look at this in the same way that that story came up about the Haitian immigrants in Springfield, Ohio, and they're eating the dog.

Of course.

And with the

grandma, a grandma that got started, the grandma had lost her cat, but I wonder if somebody ate it.

And then

there we are, you know, this came to be this millions of people saying they're eating the dogs, immigrants are eating the dogs.

And there's even a quote from Trump, which is wonderfully stupid.

He's had a lot of stupid quotes, but this one is pretty good.

He said that he

saw people on TV saying my dog was taken and used for food.

Now, break that down.

Number one, how would you know if your dog was used for food?

I mean, did they invite you over for the barbecue?

I mean, it's used for food.

Are you kidding me?

So in any rate, I think that, you know, Cam and other people have done a good job of describing how a large organization like social security can have a lot of nooks and crannies, but to say that there is whole spread fraud of what the press secretary said, we have suspicions of tens of millions.

Yeah.

That's, that's some real reporting.

That's really what you want to hear from a press secretary.

Yeah.

She's really on the nose.

No, don't worry, Joe.

She'll never lie to you.

She promises.

Thanks buddy.

Yeah.

Thank you, Joe.

Appreciate it.

As always, eight, five, five, seven, five, two, four, eight, four, two, eight, five, five, seven, five, civic quote from the press secretary on the Fox.

Don't call it news.

We lie to our audience.

They haven't dug into the books yet, but they suspect that there are tens of millions of deceased people receiving fraudulent social security payments.

Love to see the evidence.

Eight, five, five, seven, five, civic Heath from the forest.

You're next.

Welcome Heath.

What do you got for us?

Hey Dom, great show as usual.

Thank you.

You know, I'm just adding my voice to this A year and a half ago my aunt passed away two weeks later.

She got her next month's check It was not even 10 days later and they went to her bank.

They took the money back

Yeah,

and there was a thousand dollars.

Yeah, this just doesn't happen.

You know, I The lying just continues and continues

I don't know how much more of this I can take.

He's rolling a month in man.

He kind of have to suck it up.

Well, I said, you know, the good thing is we can recognize this.

We can have this conversation.

We can point out, uh, as, as folks that have some critical thinking skills and don't believe everything we hear and recognize, you know, when you think about the message, it's also about the messenger.

And who are the messengers in this case?

Well, these are, these are Elon Musk, who has, has been incorrect before.

And of course, Donald Trump, who is a convicted fraudster, uh, and, and, you know, Carnival, Carnival Barker, you know, consider the source and.

Listen,

if and

when Heath, if and when they come up and they show, you know, the receipts, because my understanding, Heath, they're supposed to show the receipts on their, on their Doe's website.

To my understanding, there's still no receipts.

I'm sure though, I'm sure we'll see those receipts down.

I'm sure we'll see.

Yes.

In two weeks, just like infrastructure week and the new healthcare bill.

Hey, thank you for listening.

He certainly appreciated 855-752-4842.

Be like Heath, lend your voice to this conversation.

LA Tom, you're next.

Welcome, Tom.

What do you got for us?

Well, I'm wondering about these right wingers that call up how they're going to feel when their social security check actually

need to take the place of a person that got the 150 year old social security check and someone's going to have to beat back that money and it can't just go to tax cuts for the billionaires, even though that's what they're trying to do.

And I would just really appeal to all magas, appeal to these Republicans that, okay, you know what, you won.

You own the webs.

You did all of that.

Now,

Do we really have to go to the school of hard knocks?

Or can we just learn from history and not have to go through all of the pain that we're going to go through if we continue down this road?

Come join us.

Come join we the people and take back our government instead of having oligarchs and instead of having billionaires running the country.

Stop.

cheering on billionaires.

You guys hate Hollywood.

Why do you love billionaire class so much?

I just don't get it.

Do you know how much a billion dollars is?

Well, Tom, they love the billionaires.

I'm going to cut you short, man, but thank you so much for listening and contributing.

They love the billionaires and they don't, because you know what?

If they work really hard, they might themselves become a billionaire.

And when they become a billionaire, they don't want to have to pay all those outrageous FDR taxes.

I mean, they don't only

have hundreds of millions

of dollars then.

I think you make a good point.

And I don't think unfortunately that we're going to be able to get through this or make or convince folks, you know, I'm not going to be able to convince folks.

I just don't think so.

They're gonna have to be convinced themselves when they see the writing on the wall and when they see it actually impact them in a negative way, be it the tariffs or the inflation or God knows what's coming down the pike, you know, early a month in.

And the other issue is the false idea that because someone is a billionaire or hundreds of millions there, that they're automatically smart in everything that they do and that they have deserved their wealth.

Those are assumptions, and that's not necessarily the case.

And as a betting man, I would suggest that it's probably not the case in most of these issues when you have billionaires.

Where are the Elon Musk's, you know, hospital wings, and library wings, and Center for the Arts, et cetera, et cetera?

Where's all that?

Where's Bezos?

Where's all that?

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And welcome back to the Dom Salvia show eight five five seven five two four eight four two eight five five seven five.

So it got just PS on the board.

It's a text line.

It's a call line.

I guess some of the textures lining up for move on to the other topics.

Want to give some love out to Lisa from Madison.

Hey, Dom and Jess.

It's a Dom and Jess show.

Do all the Trump supporters know that Elon Musk was born in South Africa and then on to Canada and then the United States?

Wonder if they have a different opinion of him, you know, being an immigrant and everything.

Yeah.

Good point.

Probably not all of them.

I miss a unique name, perhaps.

They think, well, that's the American, you know, the Bill Smith.

Right.

But he is a rich,

white, English speaking

immigrant.

Totally different.

Totally different.

Ah, let's see, what else?

Alright, of course, she says, um, Joan from Juno, she chimes in.

My brother died last summer.

Sorry about that, Joan.

I called Social Security right away to report his death, and not only did they know about it, they had already recovered the payment from his bank account.

Heard that.

Story on the some from some of the colors and that's that seemingly has been the experience You know, they're gonna think when dad my father passed away back in 2019 kind of been that long already 2020 I don't quite recall Hall all that went down, but he would have been collecting Social Security too, but I didn't I didn't keep the body and cast the checks, but apparently that's that's some of the fraud

Um, Steve from WA UK says Trump and his cruise, uh, cruise negative efforts on this country may very well lead to some folks having to eat their pets to survive.

Oh, man.

No, no, don't eat the pets.

Oh, let's hope not.

Thank you.

Yes.

Let's hope not.

Gary from Madison chimes in at the WA UK.

Wait till people get IO use.

instead of social security checks in the mail.

Yeah, I'd rather owe it to you forever Gary than never pay you.

Thank you for your contribution.

And from Maine, some people worship billionaires unless they're named Taylor Swift or Beyonce.

Right, Andrew?

Oh, let's see.

What else we got here?

Uncle Tony, he chimes in from Columbus.

Everyone should keep in mind that the government is a revenue source that never empties, and the millionaire and billionaire class is counting on that because that's where they're getting a lot through overcharging government contracts.

Oh, yes, good point, Uncle Tony.

Of course, Elon Musk has lots of government contracts, a little bit of, I don't know, conflicted conflict there, perhaps conflict of interest.

Not clear.

I did see that, uh, I had a line and dive into it, but the folks that were looking into his, you know, Elon Musk put a brain ship in your, in your head, uh, business they were fired too.

Can't have that eight, five, five, seven, five, two, four, four, two.

And Mark reminds us never forget Musk violated his visa after coming to America.

Yeah, I understand.

That was my understanding

as well.

And

I think, if I recall correctly, there's been some allegations that the

First Lady really didn't

deserve the visa that she got.

Right.

And she

here on the lot is a genius grant.

Yep.

Yeah.

Uh huh.

Uh huh.

Uh huh.

My social security comes via direct deposit.

You're right.

You know, I mean, right?

Those are real easy

for them to

start and stop.

Yeah.

You

know, they got your checking account number, man.

It was kind of easy.

Eight, five, five, seven, five, two, four, eight, four, two Rita and Steve from La Crosse.

Well, stop it grounds.

Hey Rita and Steve, welcome.

What do you got for us?

Hey there.

Well, we're just listening to you talk and you're talking about Elon and he's basically an immigrant from Canada.

I do believe he's taking away all of our jobs.

So, so

the immigrant is

stealing our jobs.

Can you believe that?

Finally, all the fear migraine has come to pass and it's them.

Hey, Rita and Steve, thank you so much.

Take it easy out there in La Crosse.

Love me some third street, eight, five, five, seven, five, two, four, eight, four, two, Mike from Madison.

You are next.

Welcome, Mike.

What do you got for us?

Hey, what's up?

Hey Mike you're from here.

I'm going to hear you rather

likewise

anyway Just a couple things first of all if it's interesting that Omega's four years ago were complaining about that West Coast elites running the show

and

here we are But I have a I have a Social Security story of my my wife I took Social Security in October my wife passed away in April

And I called, of course, Social Security finds out, when you pass and you go to a funeral home, they alert Social Security with that information.

So that's why people probably wonder why all of a sudden the money's gone, but they handle that right away.

And then, of course, the death benefit you receive is $250.

Regardless of how long they paid into Social Security,

My death benefit for my wife is 250.

Really?

So

in your situation, you have a married couple on Social Security.

One passes.

You don't get the entirety of your spouse's Social Security?

Well, the way it works, well, first she was not taking Social Security.

She was only 60.

Oh, sorry to hear that, man.

I was

57.

OK.

Yeah, thank you.

And so anyway, I had already started taking my Social Security in October.

My target date was she passes in April.

I call the Social Security Administration and, you know, they're overworked.

They're understaffed.