Make Law Matter Again (Hour 2)

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Make Law Matter Again (Hour 2)

The Dom Salvia Show · Mon Feb 17, 2025

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hell our pal Harvey K professor emeritus of democracy from the University of Wisconsin Green Bay checking in from the Sunshine State.

No more key live pie.

The scallops are gone.

So it's time to talk Harvey.

Welcome back man.

How you doing?

I'm doing great and it's good to see you guys by way of this.

Yeah,

man, gotta, gotta love the tech.

You look like you got a little sunshine, man.

You're looking

good.

I'm super jealous over here, Harvey, but we appreciate you checking and taking a little time out of your vacation slash work holiday.

I know you're giving a speech next week.

We'll talk about that perhaps a little bit as well.

However, you want to start with, with the, the tweeting

the truthy social message coming out of the White House, specifically Donald Trump on Saturday, according to the New York Times, posted a social media single sentence that appears to encapsulate his attitude as he tests the nation's legal and constitutional boundaries in the process of upending the federal government and punishing his perceived enemies.

The one sentence, quote, he who saves his country does not violate any law.

First showed up on his true social then on X and then by late afternoon he pinned the statement to the top of his speed You gotta make sure you got to see that and then the official White House account on X posted his message in the evening The quote is a variation of one sometimes attributed to Napoleon Bonaparte, although its origin is unclear.

Let's assume it's Napoleon Harvey

Historically speaking, what's your interpretation of what Donald Trump is saying?

Why don't we go right to the heart of the matter?

Right to the heart of the matter.

All right, let's do this.

Okay.

Donald Trump is signaling that he may at some point, I don't know how soon, find a way to suspend the Constitution.

I think that's what he's signaling.

And I that's heavy.

I know.

Yeah.

Come on.

Come on, man.

Wow.

That's that's that's super hip.

No, I get it.

Why

tell me to go dive into that.

Why do you think

that is?

I mean, look, the fact is that he doesn't know how the Supreme Court is going to respond to the suits that will make their way up to the up to the court.

Yeah.

Now he can assume he can assume that he's going to be in good shape because they basically licensed

the president, you know, during the term to do almost anything practically, right?

I mean, their decision that absolved him of the kinds of prosecutions that if the Democrats had been shopping about it would have pursued earlier.

Having said that, the fact is that he's not going to want it in the first year.

He's not going to want to suffer.

massive embarrassment.

You know, seriously speaking, I have this feeling that he would love to see some, I mean this sincerely, that he would love to see massive, massive protests on the scale of the Black Lives Matter protests after the killing of George Floyd in Minnesota, because he would love to be able to declare some kind of state of emergency.

I mean, he's clearly out to do in law.

I mean, he doesn't care, he doesn't know anything about it, and he doesn't care.

And Elon Musk is acting as if the law doesn't exist.

So, you know, they're pushing, they're pushing me out.

Look, I mean, I know that's heavy.

On Presidents, on Presidents Day, unless on Presidents Day.

But, but I've had to confront that possibility because otherwise why would one say basically that why would he say that he stands that whatever he's going to do he's going to rationalize whatever he does is saving the nation because it's going to make America great again.

So how does he, how does he, how does he present it?

He presented his, you know, if you save the nation, you're not breaking any laws.

Well, but

isn't that a subjective, you know,

I mean, saving the nation.

What does that actually mean in what regard and defined by whom?

And what are the measures thereof?

And I get it.

And listen, I agree

with you.

The pictures of everyone like those Republicans and MAGA types surrounding him who are bowing to him basically, that makes him out to be in quotes, savior.

Okay.

Jesus saved him.

to save America, that kind of thing.

So look, I mean, that's the take that I've come to.

For days, I found ways of joking in my head about it, but I think it's pretty serious.

And anyhow, so the fact is that let us hope that the courts are not bowing to him in the same way that, you know, those images in the pictures have Republicans and MAGA types doing it.

So I must have that.

I didn't mean to smack

you.

Folks, you're listening to the Dom Salvi show.

That's Harvey K. smack me in the head.

Professor emeritus of a democracy at the University of Wisconsin, Green Bay.

I got a couple of reactions to that.

Not only do I, I guess I agree it in.

Smaller terms to that but I also think it's a it's more of a stand back and stand by or at least as much as a stand back or stand by as before because if if you if one of his mega supporters one of the J6's were you know in the course of Trying to quote unquote save the country.

However, that is defined Violate the law.

Well, he's just gonna pardon them right as it seems to me to be more of that thing more of a Call to arms call to the troops

them on stand back and stand by.

But I gotta have a question on the legal thing that the U.S.

Supreme Court allowed for Donald Trump to not be prosecuted for quote unquote crimes.

He can't do it while he's, you know, as president.

But what about the effect of what he's trying to do?

For example, he wants to get rid of some of these these IGs, right?

And some of these folks are there because of

legislative law.

And I think these are some of the cases that are going to go forward.

Now, he can order them.

He can make orders, but they can be found to be unconstitutional or even illegal that he may not be prosecuted for.

But that doesn't mean that the actions that he ordered continue to go forward.

You know what I'm saying?

Yeah.

Yeah.

Well, I mean, he's, he's as president, he can write whatever executive orders he wants.

So the question is, to what extent those will stand?

Okay, and basically as my understanding they are in what's the word that I don't I don't know the legal term is but like in Contravention something like that to what the law set says.

Yeah, okay How inspected generals are pointed the grounds upon which they can be dismissed which he completely ignored Okay, because he didn't have any kind of evidence malfeasance or other any other activity so

But I will also say this, let's put it in another context for a moment, because you're saying he's telling the worst of the Mogatais to stand by, be prepared kind of stuff.

But it's also the case that the Democrats are, right now, I don't know where they are.

They're like wall flowers in the political scene right now.

And not unlikely, he just wants to put fear into the hearts and minds of

liberals and progressives.

Okay.

And because imagine this, you want to cross Donald Trump?

Do you want to be the one to cross Donald Trump?

I mean, to my mind, of course we do.

But I have yet to really get a sense that the folks like Schumer and Jeffries are rallying troops for the sake of turning them out in any way.

Okay.

So anyhow, I mean, I'm looking forward to perhaps seeing, look, state, state attorneys general folks, they fought him last time.

Okay.

And as I think I've said, my daughter was herself involved by way of her positions, state of New York attorney general's office.

Part of that this time, there'll be a lot, a lot of suits coming forward.

And the, which it'll be a matter of time before, you know, the suits come.

Although, you know, so far the judges are probably our best defense.

I mean, it's amazingly so.

I mean, look, I'm going all over the place here because it just dawns on me, of course.

In New York City, the people that he's fired or compelled to resign, you might say, okay, those folks are conservative.

I mean, they weren't liberal.

They weren't even, they were nowhere near progressive.

In fact,

Did they owe their positions in any way to his appointing them?

I think it was one of them.

Yes.

That's my understanding.

Yeah

Right.

I mean in that sense we can I mean it is wild and it makes one laugh at the irony of all that But it's also the case that it's it's he's he's threatening.

I see I can't I don't know even the guy the one person who didn't resign the one person One person who didn't resign of course did so did so because they needed somebody

to do what was inevitable.

Send it to the court.

Sooner or later someone will sign the document.

This is specifically about dropping charges against the mayor of New York Adams.

Right.

So then now all of

a sudden

you have, I believe it was what Daniel says soon.

Uh, uh, she

wasn't well, Danielle.

Yep.

Yep.

Yep.

And US Attorney Hagan, Scotton, uh, conservatives that have, that have resigned and she kind of lit them up on her way out the door, uh, specifically talking about Beauvais and only quote here.

Although Mr. Beauvais just claimed any intention to exchange leniency in this case.

for the mayor, Adams assistants and enforcing federal law.

This is the nature of the bargain laid bare in Beauvais memo.

So basically my understanding is the mayor allowed for what greater cooperation with ICE, right?

And, and that was the quid pro quo to get charges dropped against, against the mayor.

And now not only did those folks resign, but some, some, some was the other like four other members of the staff there resigned as well today.

So this,

this

continued fallout.

So, I mean, that gives, like, does that give you some solace hardware?

These conservative prosecutors at SDNY would, would go against the, the, the president on this?

Yeah, especially, I think Danielle, um,

Sassoon,

Sassoon.

She clerked, I think, for one of the conservative Supreme Court justices.

So, yeah, it gives me a little hope that... Who knows?

She may have called her mentor and said, you know, this is unacceptable.

I mean, I don't have an inside dope on that.

I'm just...

No, but this is the situation that we're in now.

So, we have some

of these... Oh, wait.

It was Scalia, as I recall.

She worked for

Scalia?

Yeah, who I guess is not a...

He's not around anymore.

All right.

So if, if that's the case, and we can look, look it up at the record and confirm that for, for our folks, uh, this, this prosecutor, this conservative prosecutor, this clerk for Scalia, presumably, uh, and, and refusing to, to go along with this, to go along with dropping, you know, valid charges against the mayor of New York.

And in the last month or two, certainly we've seen the mayor of New York cozy up to the Trump administration, because that's what happens when you got a guy with pardon power and charge of the DOJ.

You know, they all go about weaponizing everything.

Well, what is Donald Trump doing?

That's exactly what he's doing.

He's cutting deals to drop charges of legitimate valid charges brought by a conservative prosecutor at the SDNY to cut a deal.

That's quid pro quo.

That is corruption defined.

Good to see some folks stepping down.

There continues to be follow-up from this.

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Joining us from the sunshine state.

Harvey.

Thank you for doing so.

Yes.

Let us confirm.

Uh, Sassoon, this is Danielle Sassoon who left.

She resigned, uh, SDNY after Beauvais, uh, told her to drop the charges.

She did.

In fact, uh, according to the AP clerk for Scalia.

So this is not some woke liberal prosecutor.

Uh, this is, this is a, a, a 38 year old who graduated.

From Yale, I believe.

I'm sorry, I stand corrected.

I graduated from Harvard in 2008 and Yale in 2011.

38 years old being told what to do took some issue with that has resigned There's also been other resignations Harvey if I can find my notes here Four more folks today to my understanding have also resigned according to the New York Times for top officials For deputy mayors to Eric Adams are living quote to stay faithful to the old's we swore to New Yorkers

and our families.

One

of those deputy mayors I believe is responsible for the police department.

So his purview was really challenged by this Eric Adams decision to cooperate with the truck.

I believe that's the

Yeah, that's my understanding as well.

Rep Dan Goldman, according to political, also took big issue with this.

He called this outright extortion.

This is way, way, way outside the bounds of the Department of Justice.

He said on Sunday, it's the, I think, most significant event since the Saturday night massacre, referring to the 1973 firing of special prosecutor, Archibald Cox, during the Watergate scandal.

Now, Beauvais was reaching out, Beauvais made this order saying that you got to drop these charges because it's interfering with his ability to run his election.

He's running for office again, right?

And his ability to cooperate with the Trump administration as it pertains to their immigration crackdown.

So, I mean, it seems very...

straightforward.

And now, not just the conservative prosecutors, and yet now you have these, these other four folks, these, these top officials from his office, the deputy mayors, mayors also resigning.

My understanding, Harvey, is that the governor of New York can excuse Mayor Adams from the mayor of New York.

So that's something

you think she

should exercise that power if

she has the ability to do so.

Well, she, she might now have a pretty good excuse, you know, rationale for doing so.

And that is if these deputy mayors are resigning, then his ability to govern may be in question.

And therefore they may need better leadership to make sure the New York city is not, you know,

Yeah.

I mean, rats from a ship.

Here's the quote from,

by the way, I just have to tell you, I'm told me to waste your time.

No, no, this is great.

This is what we're doing, man.

You know, PDNY stands for Police Department of New York.

FDNY is Fire Department of New York.

And every time you say SDNY, I know we're talking about the Southern District, but I keep thinking it's the sanitation department.

That her job was to clear out the garbage.

Let's keep thinking that rat with a piece of pizza in New York.

Eight, five, five, seven, five, two, four, eight, four, two.

Last

week, Acting Deputy Attorney General Neil Bovee directed the Justice Department to drop charges against Adams.

And the memo, he wrote that the case quote, improperly interfered with the mayor's reelection campaigning and could make it more difficult for him to help Trump execute his immigration crackdown.

Yeah.

I mean, it's literally, that's, you know, Goldman, again, we talked about golden before he said that Beauvais move signals concerning a future for the justice department, the plus politicization of the department of justice is really bad and dangerous way.

It has to stop.

And someone needs to put a stop to it.

Now, Harvey, how do we

The Republicans have said that the prosecutions of Donald Trump, the various prosecutions, obviously there were many.

And against the J6ers and so forth, this was all politicization of the Justice Department.

But now we see that they're coming in and making these moves, seemingly doing exactly what the Conservatives of Meg is accused, the Democrats of doing Harvey.

Yeah, well, let's be clear about it.

The J6ers and Donald Trump staged an insurrection on January 6th.

By the way, have they banned that word from the lexicon?

Not yet.

Not yet.

I mean, they staged an insurrection.

OK.

And it was it doesn't require an order to the Justice Department to pursue insurrectionists.

OK, that's part of their task.

Right.

That's why

they exist.

OK.

Now, in this instance.

Donald Trump's attorney, is it an acting attorney general, right?

Yes.

Yes.

This was

both.

Yes.

Right.

It's basically pursuing, issuing a directive, you know, back off the mayor of New York, when the mayor of New York may well be himself having he broke the law.

Yeah.

One.

And number two, the line between police and ICE is for most cities.

of serious line that you do not cross, okay?

So, you know, I mean, by the way, every time they speak like that and people hear that kind of stuff, I think it's part of this drive to literally silence Americans and corrupt their thinking.

This is all part of that.

It's unacceptable kind of stuff.

And the Democrats should be every single day shouting, what are they used to call it?

Blue murder, bloody murder kind of thing.

blue murder and bloody murder.

They didn't do great in the last election.

Yeah.

Democrats need real leadership right now.

Perhaps we can talk about that.

I also did see that the, the new head of the DNC, he, well, he's going out on tour.

Harvey is going to be hit in Wisconsin and some other States.

I don't know if that's going to cut it.

I mean, I, there have been some protests today, president's day, you know, no king on president's day kind of thing.

We had some here in Madison as well.

That is some reaction, but I'd love to see, I don't know,

similar Harris, you know, out just going off on people.

I'd love to see the governor of New York, uh, Huckle, uh, remove this guy.

If this is the case, if you have now you're the, these four other folks resigning, I mean, if you don't have an administration, how are you going to govern?

How are you going to win?

I mean, and then, and then the obvious corruption when you have conservative prosecutors resigning rather than fulfill the other requirement, the, the request.

of Beauvais and the Trump administration folks come back with us Harvey Kay professor emeritus of democracy from the University of Wisconsin Green Bay plus more of your calls eight five five seven five civic

And welcome back to the Dom's W show eight five five seven five two four eight four two eight five five seven five civic.

Got some callers.

Got some Texas.

We'll get to you momentarily.

We do promise Harvey K professor emeritus of a democracy from the university of Wisconsin, Green Bay, checking in from the sunshine state.

Got just past working hard on the board.

Harvey, uh, this, you said, we text a lot being Harvey and Jess.

It's, it's a lot of fun.

Thank you for sharing.

Um,

One of the things that you sent over was from the Midwestern rural radical Democrats need real leadership right now.

They don't have it I want to read just one paragraph and I want to get your sense of where you think things are right now Harvey As this author writes the reasonable questions are where are the Democrats?

What power do they have?

And here's a couple of examples that I've also noted over the course of last several weeks that this author writes and I think it's worth repeating

Instead of subpoenaing Elon, California Democrat Ro Khanna skipped the vote in a move consistent with his relationship with Musk.

Instead of using his leverage with the looming government shutdown on March 14th, Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer penned a letter waving his finger at Republicans.

Instead of having a meeting about slowing down the business of the House, Minority Leader Hickim Jeffries and other Democrats on the House leadership blamed liberal groups

for encouraging people to call their representatives.

As the author writes, if they feel that way, they should resign and go home, showing contempt for your base and concerned citizens as a slap in the face.

Voters would not be blamed for voting against Democratic incumbents in the 2060 primaries if this is the response they get.

You know, Harvey, the lack of action and indeed some of this seemingly purposeful

No action is still it.

You know, that's still a decision.

You know, you can make a decision not to do something that is a decision And I think it strikes home and strikes strikes a chord at least with me What's your sense on that observation of some of the the leadership in the dem party right now?

Well, I'm ashamed of them to be blunt about it.

I'm ashamed of them I mean right now as another friend of mine said they should have organized a road show already

where they're out on the road decrying what is happening and calling upon Democrats and, you know, disturbed Republicans to make themselves heard.

But we're not seeing anything like that whatsoever.

You know, I've always wondered, I wondered this in 2018 and 19.

I wonder, what did Trump have on all these

people?

Yeah, right.

You know, I mean, that we get this kind of silence.

Well, look, I don't even want to hear the word resistance as a term.

I don't want resistance.

We're beyond that, right?

We're confronting, as I said before, a serious constitutional crisis, which could get even worse.

And by the way, that piece that I sent you, that was by a former student of mine.

I won't mention his name on the other end of that.

He's a former student of mine who lives down in southern Wisconsin.

And the other friend of mine who said what she would love to see as somebody who lives in New York, it has been a very active progressive member of the DNC in the past.

You taught

them well, Harvey.

We appreciate it, man.

A little bit here, to your point.

By the way, one last thing I just mentioned.

So my friends, these are down here in Florida as I've, for many years, almost 20 years, worked with a veterans group, a progressive veterans group here in Sarasota called Florida Veterans for Common Sense, which I don't need to go into right now, but these are mostly Vietnam era veterans.

And I just got a very late text running like 10 hours late, telling me where the protest today in Sarasota would have been.

And so I said back to him, it was a little late, you know, a little late.

A

little late.

Yeah, there are anti-Trump protesters all

over the country today.

Right.

There's energy, which doesn't seem to depend at all upon the Democratic leadership.

And the question is,

Will the democratic leadership figure out that it's their task to start articulating a democratic small d democratic vision and project that these people can rally behind bam.

NBC news reporting.

The new N DNC chair kicks off a multi-state tour.

Ken Martin, a little bit on that.

His trip starts on Monday.

Bring him to Pennsylvania and Wisconsin, as well as Texas and Missouri.

They include meeting with the U of steel workers, meeting with state democratic party chairs in Illinois and Missouri.

door knocking for Democratic State House candidates.

And what else here?

Here's a quote from the new chair, Ken Martin, from NBC.

It's time for the DNC to get out of DC.

That means getting out of our comfort zone, having tough but honest conversations with voters and showing that we're willing to fight for people.

Democrats will win by organizing everywhere, competing across the ballot in every community and uniting working families from all

backgrounds.

It's time for Dems to show up in all 3,244 counties, red, purple, blue, and make our case.

Sweet,

sweet, but

I'm not impressed.

I mean, but those are the right words.

Those are the right words.

All right.

I mean, isn't isn't that what you want to hear?

No, I wanted that I wanted to hear two days ago.

Now I want to start hearing

what it is that the Democrats are going to represent.

Here's my look.

I go on about this all the time with you.

Do it again.

I want to hear it

again.

Tell them once.

Tell them again.

Tell them again.

Look, the last 20 years of my career and more, I have been desperately trying to get

Democrats, liberals, progressives, they're all in the same boat as far as I'm concerned.

They are completely either ignorant or literally have turned their backs on history.

History should tell them what to do.

And I don't mean specifically the words or anything else, but the fact is we have many good examples from just in the past, you know, the past century.

And I'm thinking especially, you know where I'm going.

of Franklin Delano Roosevelt.

Okay, but not only him, not only him, there are other, there were great senators like the fallen of Wisconsin, like Norris of Nebraska, like Wagner of New York and others who, who basically argued for a working people's democratic party.

Okay.

And it worked.

In fact,

Keep in mind, La Follette comes out of the progressive wing, sorry, of the Republican Party in Wisconsin.

And in 1936, FDR turned his back on the Democrats in Wisconsin in favor of La Follette.

Now that's the kind of leadership we want.

We want people who are prepared to engage, and not just themselves, and not just their peers, but willing to engage the American people in support of progressive...

actions that will enhance and empower working people.

So I want to hear Democrats start talking about Franklin Roosevelt.

I want to hear them start talking about the past, which is theirs, okay, for them and take some guidance from that history.

You know, back in 2016, after we lost that election, I wrote a piece for Moyers.

I don't know if I've ever shared that one with you.

And basically what it says is maybe, maybe

Sorry, I don't mean to use the old Vietnam War talk.

Maybe the Democrats need reeducation camps for themselves.

Not reeducation as in propagandizing stuff, but there ought to be courses for Democrats and maybe even quizzes and tests so they have to know who FDR was, what it was he accomplished, and what the labor movement in

in tandem with FDR at Congress.

That's the kind of thing.

Let them start talking about where they're going.

Yeah, sure, let's have conversations.

But let's make it clear, you're the Democratic Party and there are things you should know and there are things you should be saying to inspire people.

People are not as dumb and they're not as an easy act as these Democrats seem to be.

That's my point.

Well, if you're listening to the Dom Salvi show, that's Harvey K. Professor emeritus of democracy from the University of Wisconsin Green Bay.

Great point, Harvey.

And I certainly appreciate it.

And I think especially if you look at seemingly some of the, the playbook coming out of mega right now is also has as, as, as historical overtones to it.

We've seen this before.

You know, these, this, this has all happened.

And, and what was the, what was the, the consequence of, of, of those actions in the past?

Well, it was those folks that you mentioned, man.

It was LaFollette, it was FDR.

That, those were the folks and those were the ideas and the actions that helped overcome what literally we're seeing in this authoritarian movement in the Megas right now.

like literally it's right here right now their history quote-unquote our history our entire country's history world history we've seen this it's ebbed and flowing and it doesn't repeat but sure sounds the same eight five five seven five two four eight four two a couple of collars let's get to them Tom from LA you're up welcome Tom what do you got for us

well as you know I'm a proud FDR Democrat yes um and and Harvey what I would say I don't understand

You know, the Democrats must be just scared to death with Citizens United and money and politics that they can't stand up and say, you know, hey, you know, these economic royalists.

I mean, take it after these people directly, immediately, instead of playing footsie.

You know, they're playing the, the Republicans are playing the Hitler playbook.

Why don't we play the Franklin Delano Roosevelt playbook?

I mean, this is just getting ridiculous.

And the thing is, Democrats need to be bold.

They need to stop being so, if someone asks you questions, just say yes or no.

And just sit there and just keep going with the fact that you have, I mean, you have a billionaire.

Everyone in the country knows we got billionaires running the country right now.

What's the alpha?

I don't

understand.

I appreciate it, man.

Thank you for, for holding on to the economic royalist.

And I think he also has a good point too.

And our pal, Maggie Dawn talks about this her show two to four right here on civic media before me.

Uh, sound like a human being, you know, don't, don't sound like a politician when you're talking to people.

Talk like a real person.

Don't be coached.

Don't do those things.

Make some mistakes.

Say the wrong word.

Be a normal person when you talk about these issues.

And I think that goes a long way.

I like the economic royalist.

However, your thoughts.

Well, in fact, after we come back from the next break,

I should read everyone what FDR said in 1936 about those economic royals.

If I haven't done it often enough.

All right, we will.

Yes.

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Pat from the MKE.

You are next.

Welcome, Pat.

Thanks for your patience.

What do you got for

us?

Oh, Dom, I'm Pat from Milwaukee.

I was raised by Roosevelt Democrats and turned into a yippie in my youth.

But the fact is that Trump doesn't know any history.

But he's spout nonsense.

It's OK if I'm saving the country.

That is kind of a paraphrase of some of Napoleon's

justification for his behavior.

And more recently, it's the, it was a paraphrase of the killer in, I think it was Sweden or Norway about seven years ago who attacked a camp, a progressive camp and a school.

He killed 77 people.

That's

right.

He was trying to save his country.

Yeah, thank you Pat appreciate it eight five five seven five two four eight four two Donald Trump saying those phrases that it just I don't want to talk it out of turn But I don't have it in front of me something if you if you you're not breaking the law if you save the country, right?

I mean that is just a an asinine anti-democratic authoritarian position.

Go ahead, Harvey.

I Want to check with Jess.

How much time we got here?

About a minute and a half

Okay, this is the moment that let me read FDR's words.

All right This is what he said accepting renomination for president in 1936 in a stadium with like a hundred thousand Democrats and working people in attendance These economic royalists by the way, they had organized against it They wanted to bring him down and they failed these economic royalist complain that we seek to overthrow the institutions of America What they really complain of is that we seek to take away their power

And listen to this, he says, our allegiance to American institutions requires the overthrow of that kind of power.

Absolutely.

Harvey K, Professor Emeritus of Democracy at the University of Wisconsin-Green Bay.

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And welcome back to the Dom Salvia show eight five five seven five two four eight four two eight five five seven five Civic hour last segment just PS on the board Harvey K professor emeritus of democracy from the University of Wisconsin Green Bay I'm gonna wrap it up by telling you something good if you got something good to say give us a call shoot us a text eight five five seven five Civic Harvey as you're gonna start with you man as the guest of honor today What do you got?

What do you got something good to share with everybody man?

Okay,

I'll

just say here we are in Sarasota, Florida.

This is the 53rd anniversary of my wife's and my first date, which was in London at a really remarkable pub.

And tonight we are going out to a place called the Old Salty Dog, a really great place.

And we're going to get grouper sandwiches.

How do you like

that?

I love it.

Congratulations.

Key lime pie for dessert.

Happy anniversary.

Key lime pie.

Quite likely.

Horace been texting us pictures of his food all week.

I'm so hungry even right now thinking about it.

I didn't know there's so many ways to make key lime pie.

That's a positive thing.

And a lot of them in jars.

Right.

Easier, I guess.

Hey, Harvey, that's awesome.

And congratulations.

I hope you guys have a wonderful,

wonderful time.

Although I won't be with you next Monday at this time because that's when the Florida veterans are having their annual Thomas Payne party and I'm giving the grand toast.

I will record that toast and make sure you guys have it.

Excellent, man.

I cannot wait.

That is awesome.

How about you, Jesse?

You got something good to share?

Of

course I do.

This weekend, two days in a row, I got to spend more than an hour sitting on a couch.

looking at the snow and reading a book.

And not just a book, a novel.

Not

news, not a

textbook, a novel.

A story.

A

book with paper?

Oh, a lot of pages, yeah.

A lot of pages,

yeah.

This is a Brandon Sanderson novel, so there are a lot.

a lot of pages.

I've got the big book version, which has about 1400 pages.

Oh, damn.

Don't hurt yourself.

Can I ask?

Yeah.

Did you stay awake the full hour each day?

Oh, yeah.

Absolutely.

Good.

More power to

you.

Yeah.

Awesome.

Well, that's a nice feeling.

I know you're down in the sunshine to stay there, Harvey, but we have a little bit of snow up here the last couple of days.

So, you know, bring the sun back with you when you come.

All right.

I got, I want to share this one out there as well.

Last night I got to watch the 50th anniversary presentation of Saturday Night Live and I mean this thing started in 75 and as we talked about earlier in the show I mean it was

Great, I mean we were kids back then it was it was only three channels on it was it was groundbreaking And you know your parents sometimes didn't watch you want you watching it, you know what I mean?

And it was great and I'm not really a star struck guy was but it was great to see all the folks and I mean hell Bert Bill Murray was there, you know It was it was just a lot of fun and then this morning as I was up in perusing, you know the headlines and I got to the Atlantic

And they got a piece that says, do it for Gilda, Gilda Radner.

The too short life of a comedy genius is a reminder to the rest of us how to make good use of the time we are given.

I'm just going to read the last two paragraphs here.

Atlantic, they can be a little long sometime.

We're going to run a little short.

Gene Wilder from Milwaukee, you know what I mean?

Yeah, man.

Him and Gilda Radner, they were married for only five years before she died at the age of 42 of a variant cancer.

And today, she is remembered as much for the unfairness of her young death like Belushi before her and Chris Farley after her, as she is for her originality and spectacular talent.

In a gentler world, all three of them would still be with us.

Radner and Belushi would be in their 70s, Farley in his 60s.

In a gentler world, Radner could have all the babies she wished for made all the movies she never got to and would still be making people laugh.

When I think about Radner now, what I think about the most is the way she lived and how that ought to be a lesson to the rest of us.

She had a sense of total urgency and a willingness to do the things that terrified her.

Somehow she made it look easy.

quote, I don't know why I'm doing it, she once said in an interview about why she'd chosen to take her act to Broadway, except for some reason I've chosen to scare myself to death.

That was Gilda Radder, Gilda, who as a child once overheard her mother saying Gilda could sell ice cubes in winter.

and so set up a little stand outside just to do that.

Gilda, who loved work so much that she'd get impatient on the way to NBC Studios and ask her taxi drivers to speed up already.

Gilda, who fell in love easily and often wasn't afraid to be weird or look ridiculous.

Gilda, who would make anything funny, but her real legacy, it turns out, is something much more profound than her comedy.

This is the lesson of Gilda Radner's too short life.

For God's sake, don't bother with fear.

Just go for the thing you want with your whole heart.

Each of us gets only so much time on this planet, and none of us knows for how long.

Life can be terrible this way and sad, and it isn't fair at all.

But it is funny, anyway.

Really, really funny.

Gilda Radner, just up.

Awesome.

She was so damn funny and I forgot and I forget until I saw some of these skits from last night How funny she was Rosanna Rosanna Dana.

I know I know you're not getting some of this Jess, but we'll catch you up No, I know that I was I was touched to mood when I brought the whole piece We'll put it in the show notes from the Atlantic so you want to remember and appreciate Gilda Radner and her contribution and I'm down with I mean come on forget about the fear folks

Live life and it's funny.

It is funny and it's tragic and it's sad, but mostly it's funny.

Indeed

Harvey K

Thank

you, man Harvey K professor emeritus of democracy from the University of Wisconsin Green Bay We will not talk next Monday, but do a great job man.

Look forward to hearing your toast Appreciate what you do my friend just PS on the board.

Thank you.

Got glad you got to read a couple hours of your novel, you know

Sometimes my wife stuff falls asleep in bed when she's reading and the book kind of falls So be careful that a book that says can can hurt for falls on your face Folks stick around now nightlight with Pete Schwabba is coming up next.

We will see you here tomorrow.

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