Dr Susan Webb Yackee, Director of the La Follette School of Public Affairs and Professor at UW-Madison, joins us for a conversation on overcoming divisiveness. Dom and Jess read Susan's piece in the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel last month on civil discourse and it really resonated with us. Susan joins us today to talk about developing critical civil discourse skills. It starts with curiosity and humility.

Dom and Jess wrap the hour with a check in on Trump's New York felony fraud case. Predictably, the President-elect seeks dismissal using the precedent of Joe Biden pardoning his son Hunter. Plus, a new measure of time! No longer is Gaetz the running shortest nominee for Trump, now it's a Chronister (3 days), for Trump's DEA nominee.

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