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Hello world. Welcome to WFHR's directors cut session 56 and a special one here today Seth. It is it's an anniversary show. It has been two years since we recorded the very first episode of directors cut 56 at man. It's pretty cool two years. Yeah. I'm going to trouble wrapping my brain around that and I swear I didn't forget the it was our anniversary Seth. Just give me a second to go to my car. I just

have to get some out of it. I got your gift in the car. We have we should really get getting all of you a gift. Thank you so much for making this show as popular as it is and well known as it is and all the great guests we have had over the last couple of years. So many good guests. This award winning show. It is one that we are very proud of and humbled by because you guys make it the show we appreciate you doing that. And just as a reminder we are still looking to have every single creative in this area on the air with us. Every single it's our mission. Feel free to reach out to us

spread the word about the show so we can make sure that more creatives are able to get on the air with us. We can get every musician every every talented human being we got in this area on this show directors cut, which is what we do. We focus on the creatives and central Wisconsin. Today we're having a little bit of fun. We're going to the second half of the show. We're going to do a replay. We're going to kind of rewind a little bit for our from our very first episode. We talked a little bit about what is a scary or suspenseful movie to do this holiday season during the Halloween season. So we're going to redo that one because I thought it was

pretty good. I think it was a lot of fun to do too. And I agree. And speaking of the holiday season, we thought we'd get a little macabre with you. Of course. Take care of an interesting story that I've had for a little while here that about wanting to do. Seth, they always say you cannot take it with you. That's true. But we have here some celebrities that may argue with that a little bit. I've got here a list of items that celebrities took to the grave. There are some ones here that actually have made a

little bit of showing up on our show over the years that we've touched on just kind of organic. That's true. And we kind of start right there with Bellagosi and Dracula's Cape. That's right. We have. And this is one we have talked about. I think a little bit. But it was. I remember seeing an interview with his son, Bellagosi, Jr. Who never went into the business. He's an attorney, by the way, which I thought was pretty interesting. Yeah, he never went into the business or anything like that. But he said when when he died when Bella senior died that.

He and his mother his who was his wife at the time. He was married several times, but decided that they were going to bury him in his cape. He had now he said, my dad never said specifically he wanted to, but they thought it was very thinning because and it went very iconic. You know, of course, Dracula's Cape. I mean, from if you've seen the 1931 movie, you know, I mean, it not only is it Bella's look and his voice and everything. You know, this is who Dracula is in our mind. Right. It's the

costume. It's the big jewel, you know, on his chest and the tuxedo and that cape. And that's to me, there's there's so much iconography in that. And it's it's very suitable that he ended up in his cape.

The story in book had obviously been around for a very long time, but it wasn't until then that anybody had an any idea what Dracula looked like. That's right. He was set the pay. He set the standard for what Dracula would forever look like.

I don't know if you can have Dracula. Certainly you can have Dracula without the teeth. You might need the cape just as much. Exactly. Almost just as important. That's a it's really cool. And and I think, you know, meaningful to it.

So, you know, our loved ones give us these things and that we they would like when they pass. But it's really on us to continue that and and do something up with that. Right.

It's pretty admirable to hear us kid do that. Yeah. And by the way, it's a good thing he died when he did because we know how movie these days movie collectors are insane.

And if it would have been closer to this time, I think people would have actually dug it up. Talk about macabre. Yeah, people would have dug it up to get the cape, because that's like one of the crown jewels apparently in prop in the prop world is is if they could find one of the capes he used from the actual movie.

So Bob Marley shows up on our list and certainly famous for a number of things. Certainly playing a great guitar player underrated guitar player Bob Marley under under under rated to give songwriter and guitar.

This artist in general. Yeah. So not too surprising. Bob was buried with one of his loves his red Gibson less Paul guitar and weed. Because yes, this was the other thing that Bob Marley was going for. Yes.

You know, to spoke a little, you know, just in case, just in case he can't find a hook up in heaven or, you know, he can't even actually do that. I love that idea.

But I mean, come on. That's boy. And that's with his guitar. I mean, it's really cool. That is a cool thing. And it's such as the kind of guitar. I mean, first less Paul. I mean, you know, one of the great guitar, the solid body guitars plus Paul from Wisconsin.

Invented the solid body electric guitar and it has become a standard in like any genre of music you want to talk about. That is the electric guitar.

Andy Warhol was buried with his interview magazines and a bottle of SD Lauder perfume.

And I don't know why that makes sense, but it does. It does for Andy. I tell you what, he was the main. He was the most. And I'm meaning this not in necessarily a bad way.

He was one of the most calculated artists of all time. He did everything for a reason. He liked to, you know, to shock people and surprise them with all of this stuff and say crazy things. And that kind of thing.

Does not surprise me in the least. This is totally something. He's like, and he did it very specifically. He's like, this is what I'm going to be. I'm going to be buried with these things.

And and and I have no doubt with that. A piggybacking what you're saying that he knew people would talk about like these things. Like he was important to him, man. You got to be talked about.

It's interesting. It's hard to tell within Andy Warhol how much the ego he really did have and how much he knew that acting that way people would talk about. And he loved to get people to talk about his art and how much of his life.

Including, I mean, every, every literal aspect of his life. I can't stress enough what Seth is saying. His haircut, his interview. Every word he said was thought about.

And so how much of his, how much did we actually see the real Andy Warhol? Yeah. How much of it was just this character he created. Right.

Oh, I'm glad you said it like that because I think in the end, he was his greatest work of art.

Not the prints that he made all this things. And I'm not saying he was a bad artist, not at all. He was a very iconic artist and very good.

And the bold the choices that he did, you know, I'm going to do a soup can. And I'm going to do it a hundred different ways, you know, that kind of thing.

But I think by far his greatest creation was Andy Warhol.

His, my favorite painting of his is gone. It's just titled gone. It's incredible painting. But it's, it's, it's, it's such a great note.

And it's something I, I've known him my whole life. It feels like it. I've never thought about that man. That's such a great note.

His greatest work of art was him. Yeah. Like that's really cool. That's a really good note.

Ronnie Benzant from Leonard Skitter. His favorite fishing pole and his go to Texas haters. Hatter's hat hat.

That's awesome. His fishing pole is fishing pole. I love it. That's, that's totally where his priorities were. You know, yeah, with, with somebody who, uh, it was so sudden.

Yes. And so tragic and everything. I can't imagine the family had a lot of prep or understanding of what to do if that happened.

So to, to, to, I imagine it was, it was grabbing things that he, you know, he didn't have a long life either.

So he did, you know, he didn't have a chance to really have certain items and everything.

But at the same way, you know, I think he had a very marvelous sense of humor, which comes across to a lot of, yes.

Leonard Skitter songs from that he wrote from the time, you know, give me three steps.

That smell, those kinds of things. He, he had a lot of humor in his songs. And I think that's very fitting for him to have, but here's my old fishing pole.

Really would have loved to see, because I feel like, um, they, you know, every band does this. A Skinner would have come back together.

But they also would have probably done solo stuff. And I would have loved to send him work with other artists. That would have been really interesting. Yeah.

Elizabeth Taylor, her last love letters from ex-husband Richard Burton. They divorced for a second time in 76, but he wrote it three days before he died in 1984.

Oh, wow. If you are her other 10 husbands, how do you feel about that?

They had, that, there's was such an interesting relationship, because it was on again, off again. Like you said, they were married twice.

They got divorced twice, but it was one of those things where it's obvious that they couldn't stay away from each other.

And the fact that when she passed, that is what she had. I mean, she was, she was in love with them.

She was totally in love with them her entire, the entire time they knew each other. So almost as obvious as what a legend of an actor she was.

Yes. Both of them for that matter. Yeah. Well, yeah, absolutely. I feel like it's a shame with Elizabeth Taylor that younger generations think of her with, you know, her, her, the white pearl.

Elizabeth Taylor's diamonds or whatever. Yeah. And those kind, or her divorces or some of that.

That's, this was Cleopatra. This, this was one of the tremendous actor.

She wanted one of the best of all time. She was a child star. And then she became an adult.

So many iconic roles. She was just a tremendous talent. And you're so right.

He gets so lost in the shuffle with her celebrity, which was a fodder for a lot of,

a lot of ink was spilled for her life for, I'm not sure why I really don't know why her for the acting community or her acting still stands out.

She, it's, she's still one of the greats. Yes. Real quick. Who's afraid of Virginia Woolf?

Yeah. With them together. It's, it's, you cannot chill the acting on it. It's one of the few movies where for most of it,

I'm genuinely uncomfortable. Yes. It makes you feel so uncomfortable watching this, these two go at it.

It's, and that's how good the actors. Why I mean, you have to be in that level to do it.

The, the, the story behind the scenes of that movie.

It's just incredible. Incredible.

It's self. Frank Sinatra, a flask of Jack Daniel.

Yeah. There's not. This is the surprise of absolutely nobody.

Right. Right. Right.

I would have been more surprised if it wasn't bearable.

Right. Tony Curtis is a little more surprising to the great Tony Curtis.

His iPhone, a Stetson hat, driving gloves, Steven, seven Splenda packets, and a Perry Coat tablet.

I don't know if you know what to do with that.

I have no idea what to do with that.

Again, was there anyone more flamboyant than Tony Curtis in his real life?

I mean, he was just, again, he was a tweaker. He loved to tweak people.

I, I mean, so that's what makes me wonder.

Did he do this just to mess with us?

I did. He did. I totally think he did, man.

If a 17, you know, not to beat my cop here, but if a young person was buried with those things,

I'd be a little surprised, let alone an older man like Tony Curtis.

He was quite old. He passed away.

So yeah, and, and, you know, again, one of these actors that I think it's lost in the shuffle a

little bit. I don't know that necessarily he's even as popular as like somebody that, you know,

when they do talk about them, they don't talk about his talent. They talk about the

Ascot or something like that.

Some of his more, yeah, some stuff he did.

I don't think it's far fetched to say that his daughter is more famous than he was ever

really in some ways. And Jamie Lee.

And certainly has gotten so much, one of the things that can be thankful about having a long

career is yes, you have these dips in work, but then you get the coveted comeback story.

Very few actors get. It's so, so few that do.

I've heard some people talk about, well, that's not a true comeback story.

That's not a true comeback story. This isn't a true comeback story.

No, all of them are.

Yes.

All of them are. I mean, especially to people that understand how hard it is to make it in this

industry.

Yes.

Oh, wow.

There are literally thousands of people standing behind you waiting to take your job.

And as soon as you muck up, they're right there.

They're right there.

And the audience forgets about you within five seconds.

So to have a comeback like Jamie Lee did, let alone having an already established career.

Tony Curtis, I don't know that his legacy stands where that one is.

Right. Yeah, he was in some iconic movies, you know, of course,

something like it hot, probably his most, I mean,

ironically, his most famous role when he dresses up as a woman.

Which, because when you get someone new and you're up against with someone like Jack Laman,

you know, who, yeah, everyone, you know,

all great in that one, but you can point out, oh, and in the apartment.

Wow, he was great in that.

The days of wine and roses, the odd couple, you know, all these other things.

Oh, the days of wine and roses.

That's a fabulous movie.

But Tony Curtis is like, yeah, what else was he in again?

You know, the kind of thing we know he was, but yeah.

I can't, you know, in some way for his generation.

Absolutely, though.

Let's see here.

And then a Ronald doll, his prized nook or cues,

his favorite HB pencils, some assorted chocolates, and a circular power saw.

Yeah, to be messing with us.

If you get buried alive, it seems great to have a power saw.

But was the sword my, yes, keep in mind, I said power saw.

Yeah, give me a good old, if that's what I was worried about,

give me like a crosscut or something, right?

Yeah, I feel like a bee.

Yeah, give me, give me, you know,

I'm gonna hack saw.

I don't know.

I love the idea of him like doing all this in case he's buried alive.

And he gets buried alive.

And he's like, whoa, see, they laughed at me when I said,

bury me with the power saw.

Oh, shoot.

Who's laughing?

No, no, no.

Well, you know what, you know, sometimes you just got to laugh at yourself.

Oh, beans.

You know, oh, here I am.

Oh, well.

But again, it makes sense.

The chocolate, of course, you know, really walking all that stuff.

But, oh, my gosh, by the way, you want to hear an absolutely fascinating life story.

Roll, doll, spy.

Yeah.

During World War II.

And some of the other stuff he did, I mean, wow,

that's, he had a, he had an amazing life.

There's a couple of writers from that era.

Yeah, Ian Fleming.

Oh gosh, another one.

Their back stories are just as interesting as the characters they create.

Exactly.

Wow.

Leonard Bernstein.

I had a copy of Alice in Wonderland, a baton,

and a copy of Gustaf Moller's Symphony number five,

which he conducted at Robert F. Kennedy's funeral.

Wow.

That's pretty cool.

I didn't know that.

Oh, my gosh.

That's pretty interesting.

The only thing I can think of is.

I don't think I knew that either.

What would Moller have thought if he knew someone was,

because for those of you who don't know,

Gustaf Moller was a, was a composer of some tremendous symphonies.

He was from Eastern Europe.

He eventually immigrated to the United States for a while.

He was also a, a Capell Maister, which means he was a,

he led operas and stuff like that.

He wasn't just a composer.

He was a conductor and all these other things.

Who really had a lot, so much self-doubt about his own work.

He was very disparaging of his own stuff.

It real hard time with his own self-esteem,

surprisingly enough.

The idea that someone as important as Leonard Bernstein

in conducting in the United States,

that was what he was buried with is just,

that's really remarkable.

And I'm guessing it has something to do with the,

the JFK connection and all that.

I'm sure for him for Bernstein,

but still that idea is really cool and I didn't know that.

Interesting to be able to talk about Leonard Bernstein too.

Another guy that we don't get to talk about nearly enough.

But another artist, I mean,

people know him as composer for like, you know,

West Side Story and that kind of stuff.

I guess, again, a fabulous conductor.

He was also a writer.

He wrote several articles and books.

He narrated some stuff.

He had a really cool voice.

I mean, again, just a complete creative person.

A huge activist.

Huge activist.

That's true, too.

Where there's civil rights being on more.

I mean, there's a lot of stuff that he did

with in that regard.

Oftentimes, I got away with it.

I don't know how he did that.

I was just going to say,

like, where other artists would be hesitant to do a lot of the stuff he did,

he did them and kept going, kept working.

Like, that's telling you.

Very shocked.

That's really cool, though.

You don't see that happen at all.

There was no.

And we wrap up with

my Nana's favorite actor of all time.

Humphrey Bogart.

Bogie.

Love, love, love, love me,

some Bogie.

He has a look at that.

You okay?

A golden whistle charm

that he gave to wife Lauren Bakal

as a nod to their movie

to have her to have not.

The movie that's where they met.

That's the movie they met.

Wow.

Bogie was not one of these guys that had demands.

It was one of these guys that needed

even a trailer showed up and did his job.

Yeah.

Had his lines memorized.

The moment he showed up on set.

Just a constant prose,

prose of things.

It makes such sense that he would have not like,

you know, I want to be buried with this,

and this, and this, and this, or whatever.

But you know that he would have something.

I would be shocked if he didn't show up on this list,

because he was a sentimentalist.

He was somebody that, you know,

which is so surprising.

Not only because of the characters he played,

you know, tough guys for the most part,

and he was kind of like that in real life, too.

Like you said, he was, when he was working,

he was the absolute pro.

When he wasn't, he would like sit at a bar

and shout insults at people,

because I guess he hadn't even known

what to do with himself kind of thing.

I think so.

But similar to John Laine.

Yeah, which is interesting, yeah.

But when he met, he and Nicole met.

I mean, it was, it was just, it was love.

And you could tell even though he was a lot older than she was,

you know, he was like in his 40s.

She was 19 when they did to have and have not.

Which by the way, awesome movie,

you need to watch it.

It's super cool, but they had such a connection to each other.

And even after all those years,

you know, after she lived so much longer

after he had passed away, even then you could tell, you know,

it was for her.

She missed him like every day.

It was one of those, they had one of those rare,

like, eternal love stories, which was so cool.

Most people grew up like in Casablanca.

Of course.

And to have it have not of those.

Me and my Nana, we love Key Largo.

That was our movie.

Fabulous.

It's a perfect cast.

It's, it's, there are a few movies

that have a more perfect cast than Key Largo.

You have some of the greatest actors of all time

in that movie doing, doing bit parts,

even, you know, in smaller roles.

It still holds up to this day.

I think that one stands out.

Edward J. Robinson is so good in that.

He steals the show.

He totally steals the show.

He steals the show from a book haul

and bogey in these actors and everything.

But one thing that always stood out to me about that movie,

even, I guess I don't, I don't remember it

from the Have a Have Not or anything.

But I remember seeing those two

and even as a little kid,

oh, those two love each other.

Like, oh, those two.

You could tell.

Yeah, when they were together on screen,

even as a little kid, you could see it.

Yeah.

It's a love story for the ages.

Yeah, and, and two of the greats.

And it's, it's funny how their,

the chemistry actually translated on screen.

That doesn't always happen with people

who really, you know, really dig each other

and our relationship and all this kind of stuff.

But on the screen,

ah, flat, whatever it was,

but they had it, they had it,

and he came across in spades.

I can't think of, as we're wrapping up here,

I can't think of necessarily any celebrity item.

I would want to be already like that.

But just trying to, you know,

think of something for the show,

I think the more, the more suspenders

or more good men do, I think that'd be fun.

I think that'd be, you know,

I'm trying to think of something

that would make my loved ones smile a little bit

and have a little bit.

So that's, that's my first,

that's just off the top of my head, that's right.

Yes, yes, because you're talking about your feet,

you know, your clown feet,

yeah, you're some clown shoes.

You can't shut the door, you can't close the,

they can, yeah, yeah, these darn shoes.

Yeah, I don't know, I don't know.

Well, and that's, that's a fun thing to think of.

Or we can think about, you know,

actors that are live today.

What would they be buried with?

So my question, like, does,

does Michael Keaton get buried with the cowl?

Yeah, yeah, yeah, probably not.

I'm guessing most of them are like,

no, we're not doing that.

But I love the idea of, you know,

for about an iconic role or something like that.

That's a really interesting thing for this person.

Yeah, yeah, just don't bug them with it,

because they're like, I don't want to talk about my death, you know?

And how so many actors used to hate being typecast

or being like associated with this one particular thing

or whatever, where some just embrace it.

Yeah.

You know, for some reason,

it always comes back to Boris Karloff in the show.

I don't know why,

but he said one of the most remarkable things.

He said he loved being typecast

because a typecast actor is a working actor.

He never, after he made Frankenstein,

again, a nice Halloween tie in here,

after he made Frankenstein,

he never had to worry about work again.

He was always in demand.

He was always, that next job was always there.

And as someone who took a long time to get his break,

he was in his, his 40s when Frankenstein came along

and he got his break.

And like, like, James talks about a lot, you know,

it seems like the people who are a little older

when they get their break are the ones that work the most,

you know, because I think they're the ones

that appreciate it so much.

Boy, did he appreciate the idea of being typecast?

He had no problem with it.

Keep that in mind.

All you casting directors out there,

Seth and I are certainly, you know,

we're at that age.

We'll appreciate it.

We'll appreciate it so much.

And we appreciate all of you.

Thank you so much for joining us, everybody.

Yep.

Coming up, we're going to do a special thing here

to kind of bring a home our anniversary episode.

Because it's been two years now,

since we did our first episode and that one,

James and I talked about,

we didn't want to do the normal, you know,

top five scary movies for Halloween.

We wanted to talk about some movies

that we thought were cool, not necessarily horror movies,

but really tied in with the season,

suspenseful, that kind of thing.

So we think, when we come back,

we think you will enjoy this little flashback

to the first episode of Director's Cut

when we come back on WFHR.

Welcome back to Director's Cut, everybody.

I am Seth.

I'm joined by James, of course.

Hey, hey.

And one of the other things we want to do with the show

is we want to talk, of course, movies.

And we'll get a little bit later in the show.

We'll get to, you giving us some movies to go through

because we'd love to get your suggestions on movies

that maybe we've never heard before or anything like that

to take a look at.

We'd love to do that.

But right now, Halloween is tomorrow,

which means that horror movies are on everybody's mind.

Jack Skellingting has made an appearance.

Yeah, we've been here at this time of year.

So I'm going to go to James first

and just, is there any Halloween movie

or not even a Halloween movie?

Just like maybe a tense movie, a little scary movie.

A movie that you find that kind of gives you the chills.

I grew up on the Hitchcock style of horror telling

and suspense and everything.

So those are always my favorite type of movies.

And I'm so glad you asked this Seth

because I could easily take this opportunity

to ramble about a nightmare before Christmas,

which I love and stuff and I encourage people to watch.

Good Halloween movie.

But if you're looking for a newer film

and a one that fits the season and everything,

I cannot recommend enough.

And I never do recommend it,

but I cannot recommend enough the movie Noep,

the New Jordan Peel movie.

Oh, yes, I've heard of it.

It is suspense and touch of horror,

but not really.

It's not your blood and gore horror.

It's more, oh, what's going on behind the door?

What's going on up there?

That kind of thing.

The actors do an incredible job of showing this

on their face, of giving you so much of this,

to where you don't even need the special effects, you know?

It is an incredible cast.

Jordan Peel is the new king of suspense.

He has taken the mantle and run with it.

He is one of those sauté for people in the game right now.

And he's really good at this.

He's shown it multiple times with us and with Get Out,

with his work with the Twilight Zone TV show.

His production company, like Monkey Paw,

bringing that back because he loves

that type of storytelling so much.

His production company is called Monkey Paw,

which is a classic horror story.

I mean, come on.

He knows what he's doing.

He, like I always thought he was just incredible at comedy.

Keem Peel was awesome.

I dare say he found his real niche.

And that's saying something because he's very good at comedy.

He's very good at all, yes, indeed.

I was a little disappointed when Get Out came out

and like, oh, he's getting behind the camera.

I was looking forward to seeing him act more and everything.

Not anymore.

No, I would love to see him act still, sure.

But man, do I love his directing?

And I just have a hard time believing

if you're looking for suspense, if you're looking for horror

and you're looking for something new,

then nope wouldn't hit it on every cylinder.

Like it's a great cast, great show.

It's really the, I didn't think about it beforehand,

but as soon as you brought up the question,

I'm like, oh, here's a good one.

That's a good one.

How about you?

Exactly, so for me, I actually have two,

see, I'm already breaking the rules.

I have two because I've got a classic one

and then I've got a one that's not really a horror film,

but it's very much a suspenseful film.

The first one I was going to go is the classic 1963,

The Haunting, directed by Robert Wise.

And it's considered one of the scariest movies,

or creepiest movie, I don't know how you'd say it,

but it's a scary movie that doesn't show you anything.

It's all suspense, it's all tension.

And it is like your piano wire tension

we're talking about on this.

I started to tighten up my hand as soon as you said it,

so I've seen that movie since I was a kid.

Yes, and yeah, that's one of those movies.

It is, if you have not had the chance to see it

and I would recommend, don't do the remakes.

No.

Because they're not as good as the original.

It's in black and white.

And it's got some of the most atmosphere

you are ever going to find.

I saw an interview with Robert Wise

and he said that people went before he passed,

that of course he had an interview before he passed.

He can't do it afterwards.

She's, anyway.

He said that people, that was the thing.

He's a man who directed, I mean, he directed West Side Story.

He directed some big films.

He said people would come up to him and say,

not only that the haunting was their favorite film

that he'd ever done, it was also the scariest thing

they had ever seen.

And considering what has come since,

you know, all the gory horror and all this stuff,

it's a remarkable achievement.

I have to say that.

I almost, especially if you, like,

if you haven't in a long time,

or you've never watched classic, like older movies

and everything, and all you've seen

is the modern storytelling of horror

and suspense and everything,

I really recommend to you, to that person, to watch those.

I think you will be blown away

by how intense you find it.

Yes, it's amazing.

I really think, too, as 80s kids and stuff

growing up in the time where,

hey, we can do splatters.

We can do this and everything.

Right, the 13, yeah.

And all around the street.

Yeah, that kind of stuff.

We got a little numb to that kind of thing.

We did.

And it brought me back to the style of storytelling

with the Jordan Peele stuff and with more of that,

because it seems like that's, for, like, nowadays,

there's a billion types of movies

and everybody can put these movies out there now.

Yep.

The majority of the more budgeted stuff

is going more suspense.

Yep.

And it's almost like the people with not as much budget

are going more gore and special effects.

Right.

And I kind of like that.

It is interesting.

And I kind of like how that's worked.

Yeah.

I think you'll get a real kick out of some of these movies.

Yeah, it's a real good idea.

Well, all great suggestions.

The next one I want to put out there,

and this one is more for people who have children

because it deals with, I think,

a fear most parents have about losing your child

and or not knowing where your child is.

It's, I can't remember the exact year off the top of my head.

It's in the late 60s.

Bunning Lake is missing.

Oh.

Which was directed by Otto Preminger,

who is one of the most underrated directors of all time.

He directed some amazing films.

Man, that's interesting.

We could do what we could do a whole director's cut

episode of this Otto Preminger movies

because he was amazing.

But I digress.

But the movie is, the premise is a woman and her daughter,

they're in like an isolated area.

I think it's in England, if I remember correct.

I haven't seen it in a while.

But she leaves her daughter alone for a minute.

She comes back, her daughter's gone,

in her name is Bunning Lake.

And the rest of the film is her frantically trying

to find what happened to her daughter.

It's, I mean, as a parent, it's terrifying

because it's like, oh my gosh, you could totally see

this happening to you.

And it's very paranoid as well

because it's like something happened.

No one's talking about it.

And there's something behind all of this.

It has some really some really great performances.

The most like out of left field casting

I've ever seen in my life, Noel Coward.

His cast is one of this really creepy guy

that's in the movie.

And you know, this is Noel Coward.

You know, the light, the airy, you know,

guy who wrote musicals for the living and songs.

And he plays a very dark character,

which is really brilliant.

I mean, brilliant casting in that.

And check that out.

But it's, it's seen in a long time.

Yeah, it is.

It's a brilliant movie, especially.

It's one of those, not a lot of people have seen it.

But it's, it's, for atmosphere, for things like that.

Check it out, it's, it's really suspenseful.

Just real quickly, it honorable a mention.

My mom, who loves horror, loves Stephen King

because Stephen King fan of ever known and never will know.

Book wise, no Stephen King story ever scared her,

ever kept her laid up at night, except for pit cemetery.

Pet cemetery freaked her out.

And I think in part, because what you're touching on there

about the child aspect of everything,

it was after I was born.

And it, she literally like was up for a couple of nights

from that book.

And no other book has ever done that to her

and over like story or anything like that.

So if you're looking for a good book,

maybe that's one of those.

That's a good Halloween book.

Well, you know, you could say that about a lot of

Stephen King books.

Of course, just find out whatever you're scared of.

And he's written a book about it.

Right?

Because he's, that prolific as well.

So, so yeah, those are some recommendations

for some, some fun spooky Halloween movies.

Not necessarily themed in Halloween,

but they will make your hair stand out there.

So we're going to take a break.

We'll be right back.

Well, come back to directors, cut everyone.

Hope you're having a great Sunday evening.

James and I are enjoying our alone time.

I guess we don't have any guests this week,

but we're really enjoying what we're doing.

And our next segment is something we're going to try here.

Correcting myth takes, in other words,

we're going to look at different urban legend,

myths, mysteries in entertainment history.

And there's a lot of them.

And we're going to see if we can't see what's true

and what's not true and what we can really find out about it.

And I kind of, I came up with this idea

because I came across, I was looking through music stuff,

which is what I do all the time.

And I came across a singer by the name of Johnny Ace.

Johnny Ace had one big hit basically, 1955,

an R&B hit called Pledging My Love.

And we'll play a little snippet here for you

so you can get that music in your head

while we're talking about what happens.

For ever, my darling, my love will be true.

Always and forever, I'll love just you.

Just promise me, darling, you'll love and return.

Make this fire in my soul, dear, forever.

So this song became a hit posthumously.

Johnny Ace died before it began to hit.

In fact, the reason he was one of the first, oh, he died.

Let's push his record.

Always know everyone will hear it kind of thing,

which it happens all the time now.

A famous singer dies.

And then their catalog blows up on Amazon or whatever.

People start listening to buying their music

and that kind of thing.

It's been happening for a long time, in other words.

But Johnny Ace was an interesting one

because the myth surrounding his death

is that he was backstage at a show

and he was playing Russian Roulette.

Yes, Russian Roulette for those who don't know

is when you put a single bullet into a revolver,

spin the revolver, that's not the chamber.

It's the, I can't remember what it's called.

Anyway, you spin the thing and then you see,

and you point it at your head to see if the bullets there.

Extremely dangerous.

Don't anyone ever do that.

Dumbest game in history.

Dumbest game in history.

I don't know what it's supposed to prove anyway.

So Johnny was doing this, he makes the mistake

and he blows his own brains out.

That is what the story was.

The myth was he was playing Russian Roulette.

Well, a few years later, and we'll get to the reason

why we're even talking about this

because it seemed to have an effect on a lot of people,

especially a lot of artists that would come later.

And we'll get to that in a little bit,

but it seems like the story is not quite right.

So it's true, he did shoot himself and it was accidental.

He did not mean to commit suicide

and everyone knew that from the beginning.

It was an accidental death.

He was 25 years old at the time.

So talking to people later about this,

they did talk to his bassist.

Let's see, his bassist Curtis Tillman was his name.

He witnessed the event, said,

I will tell you exactly what happened.

Johnny Ace had been drinking and he had this little pistol

he was waving around the table

and someone said, be careful with that thing.

And he said, it's okay, guns not loaded, see?

And he pointed it at himself with a smile on his face

and bang, sad, sad thing.

Big mama ran out of the dressing room yelling,

Johnny Ace just killed himself.

The big mama he's referring to is a classic R&B singer

by the name of Big Mama Thornton, who was like 300 pounds

and she had nasty attitude, she was great.

I love Big Mama Thornton.

The first song was they call me Big Mama

because I weigh 300 pounds.

That was the first song she ever recorded.

She also recorded the very first version of Houndog.

That's right, written by, I knew the name son of him.

That's right, written by Lieberin Stoller

and later of course Elvis made it a gigantic hit.

By the way, listen to the first version.

It's nothing like the Elvis version.

He cuts so much of it out.

Wow, it's a very different song.

But go check it out.

By anyway, Big Mama was on the bill.

She was part of this tour and in her written statement

about what happened that was that Ace had been playing

with the gun but not playing Russian roulette.

According to Thornton, Ace pointed the gun

at his girlfriend and another woman

who were sitting nearby but did not fire.

He then pointed the gun toward himself,

bragging that he knew which chamber was loaded.

The gun went off, shooting him in the side of the head.

According to his biographer and Nick Toshis,

Ace shot himself with a 32 pistol,

with a 32 pistol, not a 22, which is what everyone,

it's true that it was.

And it happened a little more than an hour after

he bought a new 1955 Osmobile.

Never got to use his car, too bad Johnny.

It's a pointless death really for someone

who was on the way up in the music industry.

So because of this, it's really amazing what happened.

Because of that, people took notice

and there were a whole bunch of tribute songs

that came after this about Johnny Ace.

And he wasn't, like I said, he was just beginning

to be really popular throughout the country.

But he had, let's see, some of the songs that were,

performed, let's see if I can find the list here.

Johnny, Johnny has gone.

There was also a song called Johnny Ace's last letter.

Slute to Johnny Ace, why Johnny, why,

and Johnny's still singing.

Right after he died, all these songs came out,

tributes to him, specifically.

Now, later on, one of his other songs,

Never Let Me Go was performed by Bob Dylan

and Joan Baez on their Rolling Thunder review

in the 70s.

Oh yeah, yeah.

Elvis Presley recorded, pledging my love

on his final album, that same song.

Paul Simon wrote and performed the song

The Late Great Johnny Ace from 1983,

in which a boy upon hearing about the death of Ace

orders a photograph of the deceased singer.

Wow.

Which is a cool story.

And, but again, it's one of these things

that, for a guy that, for a guy that wasn't that famous,

it was an amazing outpouring of this grief for the singer.

And as you heard in that little clip of the thing,

he had a good voice, good R&B voice,

very soulful singer, and everything.

It's also been used, that song,

pledging my love, has been used in Mean Streets.

Oh.

Martin Scorsese used it.

The film Christine directed by John Carpenter,

the film Back to the Future by Robert Zamekis,

and the 1992 film, Bad Luke Tenant,

of all films, is it able for our directors not like the other,

but yeah, Harvey Kitell's in two of those.

Actually, I just realized that Bad Luke Tenant

and Mean Streets, yeah.

So, but that kind of puts that one to bed a little bit.

He did accidentally shoot himself,

but it wasn't Russian roulette.

He was still being extremely irresponsible with a gun.

I just want to keep, I just want to put that out there.

Please, everybody.

Yeah, that's where I was gunned like that.

No, that is a good thing to note, yes.

That is an awesome story, Seth.

So, that is so cool.

I didn't know any of that.

But that one myth take, now you have something for us here.

Well, yeah, because I kind of taken this in,

a little bit on the other end of this,

where these are stories a little more

that maybe you didn't know about going on behind the scenes.

The movie Total Recall, they the original Total Recall,

I'm speaking of with Arnold Schwarzenegger and everything.

One of those movies where a lot of good actors in it,

but performances that you may not like,

you came to expect certain things from them

and they didn't really, you didn't really see it in that one.

A good example is Michael Ironside.

Michael Ironside, a incredibly good actor.

Oh, very good actor.

Especially in the 80s, one of the bigger names in the 80s,

even though he may not have been a household name,

you saw him in a million things.

Bill and, yeah, always a great Bill and,

always a great Bill and, including in Total Recall.

But was not, during the filming process,

just seemed to not be there.

And a young actor like Arnold Schwarzenegger

happened to notice this.

Now, Arnold is kind of, especially at this point in the game.

You know, he's been a politician,

he's been in the public eye since he was a kid.

And I don't, I still don't think people really know him though.

Like, with all that being said, he's been very guarded.

He's a very private man in the end.

Yeah.

One thing that I think that you wouldn't know

unless you just did a little bit of digging,

very well-liked.

Like, there is not a person who has worked with Arnold

that does anything bad to say about him.

They, he is very, like, giving on set.

He does his job, he learns his lines.

Not like your typical guy coming from the weightlifting industry

or sports in general.

In general, right.

He came into this, like, I want to learn.

I want to be good at this going back to Conan

and working with James Earl Jones on a one-on-one basis

just to try to get, like, the voices down.

And that's pretty cool, you know?

On James Earl's part of taking the time to do it.

Yeah, right.

He didn't have to do that.

Nobody was expecting him to be a thus being.

But he wanted to be one of the better at it.

So he's doing this total recall movie

and he's paying attention.

He's a people watcher.

And he's noticing that after, literally,

after every scene to Michael Ironser gets done,

he runs off and is on the phone.

And this is back in the day where you're on, you know,

line, line, line, everything.

So Michael Ironser was consistently on the phone

between takes.

When he botched the subject with, oh, I'm sorry,

when Arnold broached the subject with Ironser,

he was told that he was phoning his sister

and that she was currently suffering from cancer.

Oh, wow.

Arnold immediately brought Michael to his trailer

and they had an hour, a three hour conversation

between the three of them.

Where Arnold took the time to talk to his sister

about exercises that she could do

and different foods she could eat to really help, you know,

get her, give her energy and help her keep going.

And just really basically lifted her spirits.

Really something that nobody was able to really do

for this young lady.

Arnold was able to do.

And he took the time out of the do this.

And Michael Ironser goes out of his way

to tell people about this is you guys don't realize

what a good man this guy is, like,

and they're still friends through this day,

because of that whole little thing there.

Another interesting.

That's a nice little story.

That's great.

One other one that I think is

noteworthy too.

And it's little kind of piggybacking off of that.

Most of us, especially us 80s kids,

I say, name me a famous, quoteable movie.

You're gonna go to the Princess bride.

It's just, it's been watched so many times.

It's one of those generational movies

where even the next generation loves it.

Marvelous script.

The lines that are marvelous, yes.

And one of the first movies that,

me as a young little kid running around the house

wanting to be an actor, quoted.

It was one of the first movies I would quote,

including, obviously, my name is Indigo Montoya.

You killed my father for paradise.

Right.

I would drive my non-impoppa

and my dad crazy with that.

My dad did not like me saying this line to him.

You killed my father?

Yeah, you get very offended by this line.

But I didn't slow me down.

Oh, of course not.

I would push it sometimes with my dad

where I would say, I want my father back you blank blank.

And I would say the actual line,

as in like eight, nine-year-old kid to my dad.

And he would laugh and then he'd be like,

Jimmy don't let your mother hear you say it.

Like that kind of thing.

But as an adult, and even as a teenager,

and as I would grow older and stuff,

and I dissect so much of that movie,

and in particular, Mandy Patikin,

who is one of my favorite actors of all time.

I love him.

Top 10, top 15 favorite actors of all time.

And I'll admit a little bias because he's just Chicago.

I knew it.

Yeah, yeah, you know, you don't even need me

to tell you how to use that.

Yeah, right.

But his performance in particular,

and for the life of me,

I couldn't understand why he would drop his accent

when he delivered that line.

I want my father back.

And there's been a lot of history behind like,

oh, he just, you know, he lost his focus in that scene.

Yeah.

He wasn't, he didn't care.

A lot of different things have been said

over the years about this performance.

Well, during the filming of the Princess Bride,

Mandy Patikin, who of course plays Indigo,

his father died from cancer.

And Mandy being the professional he was,

gonna keep the show must go on.

I gotta keep working.

They were nice enough, Robert's a mech,

yeah, Robert's a mech.

Robert, Rob Reiner.

Rob Reiner, sorry, Rob Reiner, who directed it.

It's like, no, take time off.

Go see your, you know, go to the funeral and all that.

So they, they paused filming all of it.

I think they did do some like, you know,

stage shots and stuff, but they should have did something.

Yeah.

But when he came back from the funeral,

they had to shoot the scene where he kills

the six fingered man.

Right.

And he gives him that special fire, that line.

You know, when the six finger man finally

realizes his, his goose is cooked and all that.

And he says, I'll give you anything, money, this, this.

What do you want?

I want my father back you.

Yep.

And he drops the accent because he ain't acting in that scene.

No, no.

That's not like, we've seen Mandy Patikin acting.

We know how his caliber is and how great he is.

But in that moment, he's just a guy.

He's wishing, missing his father.

Totally missing his father.

And I can't even think about it without it moving me.

Yeah.

And a credit to Rob Reiner for keeping that scene.

Yeah.

It was one take and they got it.

They got it.

And it's, and it's turned into this like iconic moment

of this iconic film who doesn't remember the passion.

You can see it in his face.

It's so crazy to think that a movie that is so quoted,

so well loved.

Yeah.

And that may be the line that's seen that sticks

with people so much, because it's so real.

Yeah.

So, and to Mandy's credit, he wanted to refill in the scene.

He's like, I'm sorry, I dropped the accent.

Oh God, I dropped the accent.

He was horrified.

Yeah.

Rob Reiner, the whole cast, they voted on this

and they kept it in.

Yeah.