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Now live from the civic media studios in Madison, Wisconsin,
where the political party is just beginning, welcome to the devil's advocates radio show.
Friends proving it's never personal, only politics.
And now here's your host, Dom and Krut.
Welcome to the devil's advocates radio show live on the road,
Chicago, the DNC and Dominic.
We are joined right away.
I find gas, John Fugel saying, from the serious sexism,
you know I'm from the sexy liberal tour.
Oh God.
John, it's been a few years, but great to see you, man.
It's great to have you guys.
It's really glad you guys are still willing to drag your broadcast down to this level.
It's really fantastic.
It's our pleasure.
We love to do it.
You guys come here and you try to get newsworthy people or dignified people of note
and not the devil's out.
You guys are willing to just roll in the gutter.
And I'm so honored.
Thank you for your low standards in booking.
That's the nicest thing I've ever heard.
Speaking of rolling in the gutter, how the sexy liberal show of Chicago?
Wow.
So we've been doing this on holy tour for a few years as you know.
You gentlemen have been subjected to it in the past.
We had a great show at the Vick Theater the other night.
It was a live streamed as a paper view as well.
The tour is me and Stephanie and Housemarks and Frangela and our guest the other night
were Governor JB Pritzker showed up.
That guy.
His Chris Walken.
Whoa.
That guy's hilarious.
Now, JB Pritzker, Mark Hamill joined us.
Chairman Jamie Harrison.
Hi.
Congressman Jan Chikowski and Jill Weinbanks.
Those were the special guests for our show the other night.
And it was a riot.
The crowd was great.
I mean, this tour has been...
We've been doing this tour for like 13 years, but this year it's been crazy.
And for all these dates, it's been the, hey, let's go out there and win it for the old guy tour.
Let's get excited for the old guy.
We're going to do it.
Win this for Joe.
And then we had the sexy liberal talking each other off a ledge tour for a couple of weeks.
And now it's the sexy liberal holy crap.
What drugs have you people taken that made you this happy and where can I buy some?
It's been exuberant.
When we first went up in Atlanta right after the great switch, I couldn't believe the crowd response.
And you guys have beheld it.
And at every show we were in New York and did a show.
And it was just crazy and joyful.
And people who are excited about the ticket.
And Joe Biden deserved better.
We don't deserve Joe Biden.
This old man was not my first choice, but the most legislatively accomplished president of my lifetime.
I hate the ageism.
Mick Jagger's 80.
Keith Richards is 80.
Harrison Ford's 80.
Martin Scorsese, Robert DeNiro, Kyle King.
Hey, it's easy to be young.
It's not easy to be old.
Well, I'm like, I got no problem.
Look how much this guy's gotten done.
Look what this old man has done with the packback and the chips act and the lowest childhood poverty rate
and the lowest unemployment in 50 years.
And you weed is decriminalized that the federal level cannabis has moved to schedule three.
Infrastructure, the inflation reduction act.
You can buy hearing aids over the counter now.
I'm like, holy crap.
Let's get a hundred-year-old president to see how much he can get done.
Yeah, but Donald Trump was way better looking than Kamala Harris.
Oh, so much better looking.
I have to agree with that because I'm a blindly obedient, home or erotic stooge.
So yeah, you know, at some point, at some point it's amazing how the homophobes just really like it both ways, isn't it?
I didn't mean this blindly slaubing guber obedience of unmanly subservience.
It's just at some point it's got to be embarrassing, right?
Like they hated us so much because we told the truth about Bush and Cheney.
We warned them about Bush and Cheney and they hated us.
They hated us.
And then we were proven right about Bush and Cheney and they hated us even more.
And then man-baby comes along in 2015 and man-baby tells him,
Bush and Cheney like you.
They like you.
They like you're right.
You're right.
And now three RNCs in a row and the only other living ex-Republican president is Persona Nangrata again.
And they cut Bush and Cheney loose because they're a fickle party.
And one guy, man-baby shows up and tells them and they dropped it.
They didn't apologize to us.
Now they agreed with us.
Now they're calling.
Right.
Now we're the war mongers because they're blaming Joe Biden for what Putin does and what Netanyahu does.
Why were they listening to you then?
But that's the whole thing, right?
You look at Elon Musk.
He says I'm going to give Trump $45 million a month.
Then he changes his mind two days later.
A cult of fickled bitches just fickled their bitch.
Gentlemen, in ten years, in ten years, these Philistines are going to deny they ever supported Trump.
They'll say, well, I went for them the first time in 16, but I was done after that.
They're going to deny they ever supported this guy in ten years.
Oh, you're right.
Oh, they will trust me.
They have-
They don't believe in anything.
They need a ruler.
And he will- they will cut him loose.
If he wore a Black Lives Matter t-shirt, they'd all leave him right away.
Folks, you're listening to the devils.
F gets ready to show.
We got to find guest John Fugel saying from the serious XM, most recently off the succcee liberal to her right here in Chicago.
And we find ourselves at the DNC.
But Kamala is not going to be here today.
John, she's in Milwaukee making our life very, very difficult.
I know you got a settle for the Obama's and Bernie Sanders tonight.
I know how we're going to get through.
But that's going to be enough for you.
Well, couldn't we simul cast?
Couldn't we do it both?
And I think there is probably going to be some technological effort.
We know it's always hard to travel.
Let me put it this way.
Okay.
If Kamala Harris is giving a speech and it's not being broadcast, at least it'll feel like we're on CNN.
So look at that right.
John, and he take away so far.
Only one day into this extravaganza.
But the press relative to, let's say, Cleveland.
We're at the RNC in Cleveland.
This would have been in a parking garage.
That's what they did to like radio and non-Netflix in Cleveland.
We were in a bar.
What was it in Cleveland?
2016 Republican.
No, right, right, right.
The Philly was a good time.
We were on radio row there in 2016.
In 2016.
Yeah.
No, no conventions to attend in 2020.
But the difference in tone, even the Hillary convention.
I mean, the dims party, John, the Republicans, they're sour.
The only thing working is grainboard.
The Republicans are angry.
The Republicans are very angry.
You have to understand something.
You have to look compassion.
Because you see, they own this country.
Okay, belongs to them.
Okay.
Their ancestors built it with their own hands.
And who are these swarthy types, these academics, these non-whites, these non-Christians,
these gay people thinking they can love who they want in a society that breaks about liberty.
Who are these union types and these immigrants?
And these educated people and these women who be thinking too much.
Who are these people that are violating the America?
We were promised we wouldn't have it that we owned, that our parents owned.
And as our white heterosexual, I don't like calling them Christian.
They're Christian, but they're not Christ followers.
If you know what I mean, there's Christ followers and there's Jesus Club.
And they're in the Jesus Club.
And Jesus would not be welcome in Jesus Club.
They're becoming smaller and smaller.
And as they become less of the majority and in 2045, people as pastiest me will no longer
be the majority population in this country.
Does that scare you, John?
Because it doesn't scare me.
It scares me.
They're not going to go grace.
What scares me is the white people who are not going to go gracefully because they think
they own this country.
They're the ones flipping out.
They're already doing it.
I mean, what do you think these bigots are panicking about this hideous, great replacement theory?
I mean, whatever they can do, they are just trying to keep America as white as they can.
The reason why Christianity is declined is not because people don't like God,
or don't like Jesus, or don't like the Scriptures.
It's because of the hypocrisy of these fascist, flock-fleasing, Pharisee frauds,
right-wing Christianity that has taken the teachings of love, the teachings of empathy,
the teachings of forgiveness, and they have turned it into a cult,
and they got the followers of Jesus to vote against everything Jesus ever talked about.
And they were that had talked about abortion, which Jesus never talked about.
They have the mega head.
It's not the anti-Christ.
I mean, I'm the non-believer, man.
And so I certainly am tuned into the hypocrisy, John.
Well, the anti-Christ is all rubbish.
These people go for, these people go for a book of Revelation
because Jesus' inconveniently liberal teachings are unpleasant to read.
So you will never, and I'm saying this to your very attractive listeners,
you will never hear mega people or right-wing people quoting Jesus.
They'll quote parts of the Old Testament. They'll quote St. Paul.
They'll quote book of Revelation.
They'll quote left behind books and think it's Jesus.
They don't quote Jesus because they don't follow them.
They hate his teachings.
They're not Christian.
Jesus says, and in the judgment of nations, Matthew 25, what he's going to judge people on,
and it's not by how mean you were to trans kids.
It's not by how much money you gave or how often you went to church.
Jesus judges people on how they took care of the poor, took care of the sick,
how much they welcomed the sick, and how they took care of the strain,
welcomed the stranger, and how they took care of people in prison.
That's it.
Republicans reject Jesus' marching orders.
You don't need to believe in any of this to use it against these frauds,
and remind them that Jesus is a prop for them.
Nothing more.
John Fugel saying, I'll find guests.
These are the, by the way, I do this at children's parties.
This exists.
This is what I remember.
Wedding permits us.
It's clean.
I promise it's clean comedy.
It's all ranting about fascists.
Trump, not always clean.
He is doing a little set in Howell, Michigan.
He campaigned stop today.
And I find it interesting because the Nazis were marching through Howell, Michigan
like three weeks ago chanting, we love Hitler.
We love Trump.
And I even saw the...
Where did Ronald Reagan announce his 1980 campaign?
Well, it was in Philadelphia, Mississippi.
That's correct.
That's exactly right.
The folks who get it.
This is a tip of the cap to the white nationalists.
Is it not, John?
Yes.
And I know Fox News trying to cover for them.
Their response was, well Biden went to Howell, Michigan in 2021 to talk about
build back better.
And I'm like, yeah, but not three weeks after the Nazis were there.
John, do you think this is really a...
Do you think, you know, am I reading too much?
No.
This is obvious as it seems in Europe?
Yes.
I mean, look, Donald Trump can come out and say he renounces Project 2025.
But until the media takes the time to ask him which specific parts of it he renounces,
he's just renouncing the name.
What's in it?
He has not refuted.
What's in it is what he's fighting for.
What's in it is what his hapless followers are fighting for.
They don't realize it.
That in tax cuts for rich people.
You know, and it's funny that he's in Michigan because you look at man, baby.
He has nothing to offer union labor because he hates unions.
He's an oligarch.
He's an aristocrat.
He's a millionaire at birth.
He hates organized labor.
Hates it.
That's why he had undocumented illegals built his hideous tower on Fifth Avenue.
Only person in this race, by the way, who's hired undocumented workers in two different centuries
to avoid paying a living wage to American workers, Democrats.
You were allowed to make that point.
Please do.
They won't, but he's in Michigan and he's been demonizing electric vehicles all year.
Because he has nothing to offer unions.
He's a scab.
He talks to scab members and tries to make people think it's it.
So he's he's slamming EVs.
Then Elon says I'm going to give you a lot of money.
And now Donald Trump is okay with EVs because he is a whore who believes in nothing
and is advertising that he is for sale.
John Fugel saying, aren't fine guys.
Thank you for joining us here at the table.
Thank you.
That's usually the line where they asked me to leave.
But I'll be here all week, folks.
John, you've got the evening shift much like we do on WCPT tonight.
That's right.
How can people listen to series and hear you tonight?
Live on serious XM progress.
Channel 127.
If you don't have that, our free podcast comes out the next day with the highlights.
And I'm up in the sky booth doing a hockey game play by play with this thing.
So thanks for having me.
Guys, it's good to see you.
Great to see you.
We've got another fine guest joining us here at the table momentarily.
Page gardener president founder, a P SG consulting new polling out.
We'll tell you all about it.
The devil's advocates tackling the issues you're not allowed to talk about at the dinner table.
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Got to think, John's fuckel sing our buddy from serious XM listen to him on Channel 127, the progress
channel tonight, or you could listen to us.
But we got another fine guest.
She has joined us at the table.
She is page gardener president founder of PSG consulting page.
Thank you.
Thank you.
We understand you've got some new polling out.
And we want to understand the nature of this polling.
It really has to do with women.
So why women, why are you targeting them as a demographic to specifically poll?
Unmarried women is the group of women we targeted because marital status determines whether you register, whether you vote, and how you vote.
Just to give an example, they voted for president Obama in 2008.
They gave him a 70% that was the level of support that unmarried women gave president Obama.
So they are an enormous voting block.
They are now with vice president Harris, very motivated.
But what we did was look at unmarried women under 55.
What was their support for the new ticket?
What are their issues?
What do they care about?
And what motivates them to turn out, but really engage in a bigger way?
Page did you by chance asked about cat ownership status?
You know, it was one of the shortcomings of the poll.
So close.
Very close.
Obviously, we have a different demographic that seemingly supports.
And I'm talking about females specifically.
They seemingly are with the Democratic Party.
And I look at the policies of the current Republican Party.
And I suspect I know why.
But what is your polling shown you?
And who do the Democrats need to really work to attract?
Well, they do need to work to attract unmarried women, particularly because they are the majority of women now.
And those under 55 are a plurality.
But there are things that drive them.
And all of the policies it seems coming out of the Republican candidates are punitive.
Think about abortion.
That's a very big issue for them.
They really care about being able to decide when and if to have a family, as most Americans do.
They also care very deeply about housing.
Housing costs are skyrocketing.
And because they make less money than married women, particularly,
it's a bigger portion of their overall income.
So they're struggling with housing.
They're struggling with rent.
They're struggling with food prices.
They're struggling with inflation.
Folks, you are listening to the Devils Effkets live at the DNC in Chicago.
We're here at the United Center.
And at the table with us is Page Gardener, president, founder of PSG Consulting.
And page your research is directed towards a lot of the swing states.
And I'm from Wisconsin.
We care a lot about our state.
I see that you've listed Georgia, Michigan, North Carolina, Ohio, and Pennsylvania.
I don't see Wisconsin on the list, but these seem to be a lot of the Midwestern states.
Do you think that most of your demographics would carry across, let's say, to a state like Wisconsin?
We looked at Wisconsin specifically.
There are 640,000 unmarried women who are eligible to vote in that state.
They have an enormous power to determine who is elected.
Remember the thin margins in 2020.
These women can take president Harris over the top line.
Page, you mentioned the 70% of this demographic coming out in supporting President Barack Obama.
What's that number now?
We have a baseline.
I have a high water mark there.
Where are we at right now, do you know?
Their margins have improved greatly from when President Biden was in the race.
And their margins are in the 60s now.
OK.
So they want to grow.
Yeah.
Right.
And what do I got to get your opinion?
Maybe it's not a policy thing, but some of the recordings of previous conversations that the Republican vice presidential candidate have come to light,
specifically talking about agreeing with a right-wing interview, talking about the one purpose of Post-Mounted Paul's of Woman is to take care of the grandchildren.
And the guy, JD Van, he agreed with that statement.
Now, that's not a policy issue, but it's certainly something that I think that a lot of people, if you pulled, single women would have an issue with.
It's not a poll question, but I like to get your personal opinion on that.
Many unmarried women don't have grandchildren as they age.
So I don't know what they would do with their time.
Maybe JD Van can come up with some other ideas.
But these women are so important.
And the fact that JD Van's and the Republican candidates talk to them and give a flavor or express their wishes about controlling women's lives.
And it's not just about abortion.
They want to control so many aspects of women's lives.
I think it's a good concept.
We hear constantly here at the DNC and the Democrats talking about moving forward and not going back.
I think it's a thing that's going to continue to resonate.
Any other major findings of this poll that you think we want to know about?
These women should be reached and motivated to turn out and when they do, candidates win elections.
And how is that done?
What would be do you think the most efficient, effective way to have that outreach?
It's neighbor to neighbor is the most effective way.
And then there's the traditional campaign tactics.
Male, phone, advertising.
But these women really want to engage in a conversation.
And community is very important to them.
Page, did you differentiate in your polling between women of color and let's call them Caucasian women?
Yes, and women of color are huge back.
Sorry, women of color are a huge backbone of unmarried women in this country.
And so, and their support for the Democratic ticket is very, very strong, much stronger than overall.
Excellent, very informative.
Page Gardener president and founder of PSG consulting.
I'm not always great at annunciation.
You wouldn't believe they give me a radio show page.
A couple of us have had that problem.
It's been a long week and it's always Tuesday page.
So nice to meet you.
Thank you so much for joining us here at the DNC.
We are the devil's advocates and we anticipate Earl Ingram joining us.
And maybe even the Democratic Party chair of the great state of Wisconsin.
I hear he's in the building might dip over and my senator, Diane Hesslebein from Middleton.
So big show.
It's always fun when we're on the road.
Thank you, page Gardener.
More devil's advocates live at the DNC.
The devil's advocates never personal, only politics.
Welcome back to the devil's advocates radio show live at the DNC.
We're at the United Center in Chicago.
It is a cavalcade of political stars up in here, Dom.
We want to thank the fine poster, page Gardener, our most recent guest from PSG consulting.
We got another fine guest at the table.
She is my senator, Diane Hesslebein.
She is the Senate Minority Leader from the great state of Wisconsin.
Diane, it's so great to see you.
It is so great to see you.
It's Chicago.
Oh my gosh, it's fantastic to be here.
And you just got here so you don't have to hang over like some do.
But you made the breakfast this morning, which is so good because I did knock it up for today's breakfast.
Yesterday I missed him walls.
I was there.
How did you do that?
They discouraged us as press.
They're like, oh, we're overbucked.
You don't get a chair.
You're going to have to stand in the building box.
Oh, man.
You don't want to come.
There's just one job.
That's the first job.
And I blew it.
And I blew it.
Yeah.
And today.
Mark Kelly.
I got up early and then I went back to bed.
Okay.
Okay.
Well, you missed Mark Kelly.
He was fantastic.
They had a lot of great speakers.
Sarah Gedlowski spoke.
Of course, she's great.
Kentucky Governor Andy Bashir right here was very good.
Fantastic.
Yeah.
It was fun to see them in person, right?
Because you never know.
They always seem bigger.
Like, I don't know why.
But then you seem like, oh, right?
Mark Kelly is not a large man.
We saw him out here in the hallway yesterday.
Yeah.
He's like, he's in my size.
I mean, that'd be a little getting the cockpicks.
Right?
Absolutely.
They're all in good shape, too.
So.
Yes, of course.
Every speaker here.
It's a thing.
Is that a thing?
No.
I should have been traded.
Look.
Look around.
So Diane, everybody knows.
And it's crazy.
I watched JD Vance in Kenosha, Wisconsin.
And JD Vance is saying it's all about Wisconsin.
Of course, the Democrats are also in Wisconsin today.
Kamala Harris is doing a rally in Milwaukee.
I'm very twisted.
I want to be at both events.
So why?
Wisconsin.
It's the center of the universe.
And, you know, top of the ticket, we love Kamala Harris.
But it's also the first time we've had fair maps in the state of Wisconsin.
Over a decade, how optimistic are you about the legislative races, this cycle?
I am super optimistic.
You know, this is the first time that I haven't had to recruit a candidate.
They came to us.
And it was multiple people saying, I know.
Right?
We're like, can you please run?
Would you please consider running?
This time it was, I want to run.
This is my platform.
This is who I am.
And this is why I make a difference.
And we have great candidates running in every single corner of the Senate.
Every single district for the first time in over 20 years.
And why?
Because we finally have fair maps and people know they have a shot at getting in.
Diana, I'd love to call you Majority Leader, Hessel Biden.
I would love to be called that as well.
It would take a hell of a miraculous miracle in this cycle because half the senatorial races around the map.
All the assembly races, but half the Senate races, where are the ones we should pay attention to as political observers?
So I would definitely say for the Senate, we're up, like you said, every four years.
So we're not going to get to the majority for another two years.
And so we have a plan to do that.
We're looking really hard working hard with Jamie Wallup in Green Bay.
He's a fantastic candidate.
He grew up on a farm.
And he was one of the first people in his family to go to get higher education and go to school.
He graduated, was a road scholar, wants to live in Green Bay to give back to the community.
And he wants every other farm kid to have that opportunity.
Kind of really tugs at your heartstrings.
We have Kristen Elfine in the Appleton Ashkash seat.
That's a really great seat for us.
She and her wife have been working hard every single weekend, talking with voters and listening to hear their priorities.
We also have Sarah Kieski.
That's like in the sock, Columbia, and Dane County was all the way into Madison.
She's a first-time candidate, mental health provider.
She's running against Joan Ballwig.
The last time.
That would be a...
That would be great.
Yes, we'd be happy.
That would...
The last Republican to win that seat was 1998 and that was Tommy Thompson.
Finally, we have Jody Hepish-Simekin.
She's running against Dewey Strubel in that Milwaukee area.
And she's doing a fantastic job as well.
So I'm excited for all of these candidates.
And of course, we have to keep Brad Paff.
Look for us.
Yes, look across the area.
Our buddy, we like Brad.
Oh, I love Brad. He's fantastic.
He does more for agriculture than probably anybody else in our caucus.
And explaining what things are and what we need to do.
Well, Diane here in Chicago, we've got a set of good example.
When we, Dom and I joined the Wisconsin contingent at their hotel in Philadelphia.
The last night, they brought all the leftover beer out in the lobby.
Oh, thank you.
And the Wisconsin contingent literally party till like six in the morning.
Are you prepared, Senator, to represent?
Man, I am pretty lame, I can be honest.
I know you guys were up late.
And I'm looking at tonight going, how late are these speeches going to go?
And then there's a party after this.
Right, they're going to go late.
But it's going to be worth it.
Come on.
And then there's in Milwaukee.
They're going to show that here in Chicago.
Maybe, maybe I hope so.
That's what I'm saying.
That's what I'm hearing.
And then the Obama.
I know the Obama's.
I'm so excited.
And they're going to play the Obama speeches in the Pfizer forum with the live audience there.
I think it is a wonderful brilliant.
That's a brilliant move.
Oh my gosh.
That's fantastic.
So everybody can see the Obama's perfect.
And it involves Wisconsin in the DNC.
You know what I mean?
That's the one Milwaukee really didn't get well.
You kind of get.
I know.
I'm going to come on the Tuesday of the DNC this time.
You get a little taste.
Absolutely.
It's fantastic.
I'm so excited for her race.
I'm so glad she's at the top of the ticket.
And my girls, I tell you age 22 and 25 there.
I'm just over the moon excited to vote for her.
Well, I can tell you there's a much better chance.
My 18 year old vote for Harris than vote for Biden.
So we're moving in the right direction.
The enthusiasm is there.
It's palpable.
And I see it everywhere.
It's amazing.
Senator Hasselbein, so great to see you.
Thank you so much for joining us here at the table.
We're trying to sneak our friend Earl Ingram in.
Absolutely.
Thanks for letting me pop on for a while.
Thank you.
It was great to see you.
Awesome.
Have a great time.
Hey, thank you so much.
We'll see you at the party.
We'll see you.
We'll see you.
State Center Senate Minority Leader Diane Hasselbein
from Middleton, Wisconsin.
Always great to see her.
And we're going to have our pal Earl Ingram sneak over to the table.
Come on down on Earl Ingram.
The man, the myth, the legend.
Earl has been getting famous here since he's been here at the DNC
in Chicago.
I just saw Earl.
I was standing out in the lobby with Earl.
And Governor Tony Evers of the great state of Wisconsin comes by.
He doesn't say how to crudy does he, Earl?
Well, since this is throwback Tuesday,
and it's good to see you guys, man.
Great to see you, Earl.
Thanks for the invite.
Earl, of course, is broadcasting on the mornings,
eight to 10 a.m. on Civic Media's own WAUK 540.
And other local markets check your local listings.
Earl, I saw you want with Jesse Jackson out there, man.
The Jesse Jackson is a local hero here in Chicago.
The whole lobby was a flutter when Jesse came in.
And he was in a wheelchair.
They were helping him get to his feet.
But Earl, you were right there, man.
You know, Jesse.
You've been there for Jesse.
Well, you know, he's been on your airways when we were at
over on Brady's.
When you're broadcasting, never your airway.
Well, yeah, but man, you know, you got to think he's the guy
who paved the way for Barack Obama.
People don't often think about it.
But in 1984, Jesse Jackson sparked energy
and actually got more people signed up to vote
than almost anybody in history.
So, you know, Jesse Jackson is an icon.
The person that we see now is still an icon.
He always will be.
And I, you know, I got to know him personally.
And just to see him again is a highlight, man.
It really is.
And Earl, you got to interview Martin Luther King Jr.'s grandson
earlier today.
Martin Luther, or was it his son?
His son.
Oh, so...
Martin Luther King III.
And...
How was that, Earl?
Man, that was...
It was...
It's amazing because I always tell people I was 14 years old
and Dr. King was moving.
I was old enough to see it and be a part of it.
And watching the civil rights struggle develop
and the push of it as a young boy.
And so, you know, I kind of lived my life.
I watched Dr. King and I emulated him with being a servant.
I served because I saw him serve.
And so, you know, he lives in me every day.
Not a holiday, but every day.
And so, when I saw his son, when I saw his son, you know,
son is not him.
But, you know, he's still a bloodline, man.
And it's an honor to be able to have an opportunity to speak with him.
Folks, you're listening to the Devil's Advocates Radio Show.
We got a fine talk radio host in his own regard.
He is Earl Ingram of the Earl Ingram show plays out in Milwaukee.
And you grew up in Milwaukee, lifelong Milwaukee resident.
Earl, I went to the Republican press conference
over a Trump Tower yesterday featuring US Senator Ron Johnson.
And I believe, well, the other, we had a rough break up.
It's complicated.
Since January 6th, it's a real complicated.
But he was there with Rick Scott and a nice Bloomberg reporter.
I've met her a couple of times.
It next to be asked, how can Trump attract black voters?
And Ron Johnson got up and said, well, we're the party of Lincoln.
And we, the Republican party, don't look at the color of the skin.
We're like MLK.
We look at the contents of their character.
And when I heard Earl, when I heard Ron Johnson quote, MLK,
it just didn't sound right coming out of his mouth.
Quoting or misquoting.
Well, number one.
So, and I wanted to put that to rest about them appealing
to the black community.
Think about two weeks ago, I wanted to address the issue
that blacks are starting to lean towards voting for Republicans.
Yeah, they were claiming that.
Yeah, so there's this office in Milwaukee right in the heart
of Black Milwaukee.
North Avenue.
Yeah.
And so I go there.
And I said, well, I'm going to find out for myself.
So I go, I'm not going to do.
I said, my name is Earl Ingram.
We know who you are.
I said, well, I want to see if I can get you on the air.
Right?
We want to find out whether or not this is true
that more and more blacks are voting Republican.
And so when I got there, and I asked him, the guy says,
well, I said, can I get you to come on the air?
You guys say you're in our community.
You're saying that more and more black.
What did you go down there the Tuesday of the RNC?
They bothered to open the joint up.
So the guy says, okay, well, what do you want to talk about?
I said, I want to talk about the fact, man,
that you guys are saying more blacks are going to be voting Republican.
And so to make a long story short,
I was able to get one guy to show up.
He came to my show last week, a week before last.
And I got him on and started interviewing him.
And he says, well, Donald Trump has done a lot for the black community.
I said, name one thing he's done.
Tax cuts.
Hey, he didn't rub, but we've got the fine Democratic Party chair.
No, no, no, Ben Wickler.
Please join us here at the table if you're able.
He's setting his watch.
He's on a short time for him.
But we want to say hi to the Democratic Party chair of the great state of Wisconsin.
How can you not say hi to Mr. Ben Wickler?
Yes, absolutely.
We'll squish together here, Ben.
Welcome to the party.
Thank you so much, Mr. Crute.
Thank you, gentlemen.
Ben with your own.
You've been the ball here in Chicago.
I guess we are.
Wisconsin is definitely on everybody's mind this week.
Isn't it, Ben?
Oh, absolutely.
So today we're going to have our cheeseheads on.
And just walking through the hall, wherever I go,
the cheesehead people get excited.
They start talking about Wisconsin.
They know they know the greatest state.
They also know the state that, you know, tips, presidencies.
So this is the path that the White House goes through America's Darryland.
And tonight, the vice president, Kamala Harris,
and her vice presidential nominee Tim Walls,
they're going to be in Wisconsin.
That makes for tough decision.
What do you do, Ben?
What do you do?
What do you do?
You know, we got a roll call to manage here in the United
Center in Chicago.
So I am going to be here.
But there are going to be thousands of screaming excited Wisconsinites
in Feister Forum.
Right where Donald Trump decided that JD Vance was his ticket to ride.
And I think there's going to be what contrasts.
Just rolling the tape between what happened in, you know,
our three of Trump's acceptance speech on that Thursday night,
versus what we're going to see for Harrison Walls in Wisconsin.
And then they'll come here to Chicago and everyone's going to erupt.
It's going to be really exciting.
Ben, my understanding, Timmy Baldwin,
center Baldwin to give a speech from the stage this evening.
I, I, that may be true.
I don't have the specific information about the people.
I trust you.
I believe you make it up.
Well, then I look forward to it.
I think she's going to be great.
I think she will as well.
Then obviously everyone's talked about Wisconsin JD Vance
on the, I'm stocking the vice president to her.
He's a Kenosha today.
And first of all, his reaction to the DNC last night.
Let me quote here.
Boo.
That was his correct quote.
What did you think about the DNC?
Boo.
And anyways, they've chosen the most powerful compelling spokesperson.
I hope they keep them in the spotlight.
This is, this is my message to them.
Just keep going with this guy.
Do more of that.
Do more of that.
Yes.
Send all the cameras to JD Vance.
So then, especially women can see what the Republican Party thinks
of the people whose vote it should be seeking.
And Ben, I was at the, the Republican presser with Ron Johnson yesterday.
I don't know if you heard, but Ron thinks it's very difficult to be a billionaire.
Oh, yeah.
It's just, I cry.
I cry every night for the billionaires who's, it's so hard for them because they don't pay
the same taxes as their secretaries.
So they feel this deep sense of shame.
And of course, they could just pay their taxes.
But instead, they don't.
So then they feel bad.
And we have to feel sorry for them.
It's a totally understandable.
Yeah.
Ben Wickler, we know we only had you for a minute.
We appreciate you joining us.
Democratic Party of Wisconsin, Chairman Ben Wickler.
We hope to see you later in the week, Ben.
It's a like to be with you.
I look forward to the next time.
Yeah, thanks for saying hi, Ben.
Thank you, guys.
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And want to thank our pal Earl Ingram for being a little flexible.
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Every weekday right here on the civic media.
And Earl, we appreciate you sticking around, man.
Are you, you got to be a little twisted.
Come was going to Milwaukee and here you are.
Here I am.
I'm also twisted.
I wanted to do a double header.
I wanted to go see Kamala Harris.
I mean, it's an Arbach Yard Earl.
You know, man, I'm still just blown away by what is transpired, man.
You know, Kamala Harris was kind of nondescript.
It's seven weeks ago.
It's seven weeks ago.
Yeah, man.
For almost three years, Kamala Harris was someone who was basically...
I hate to say it, but she wasn't very visible.
It kept on the sideline.
It's not her administration.
It's the Biden administration.
Well, that's absolutely the case.
And there were people who said that they wanted to make sure
that she wasn't seen and visible.
And so it led people to believe that she wasn't a very bright person.
I don't know how you can ever think that somebody who has held the offices
that she's held wasn't a bright person.
But you've interviewed her.
You know Kamala Harris.
No, Kamala Harris.
You've had her, but three times are wrong.
Well, but Kamala Harris is...
And when she's a very, very bright woman, yes, she giggles.
And...
Only when she's talking to you in her own.
No, there were times.
There were times when I even thought, hey, come on, man.
You know, if I was president.
I don't know.
I left, man.
I love to laugh.
I love to laugh.
It's good, man.
Life is as joyful.
I never used that as to think that it would meant that it impacted her intellect.
All right.
She's not intelligent because of that.
Right.
She's a very, very bright woman man to get reelected, you know, in the biggest state in the nation.
Come on.
Most populous and what, the fifth largest economy in the world.
Yeah.
I mean, that's something.
And then to be what?
Senator?
And then to...
Again, elect.
Statewide elections, right?
And then to be vice president.
The GOP, the Megas are just losing their mind over it.
Well, you know, man, I didn't think that it was going to be...
To be honest with you, I didn't think that the nation was ready.
There was going to come this soon, that a woman, not just a black woman, but a woman,
was going to be this position to possibly become the president of the United States.
What are you talking about?
You forget about Hillary Clinton?
Yeah, but you saw what happened to Hillary Clinton.
She lost marginally in a couple of electoral colleges.
Well, but I think I read something where 53% of women didn't vote for her.
Or some...
Our land is number because women didn't feel connected to her in some way, shape of form.
I think they were intimidated by the type of person Hillary Clinton was.
Well, she was a powerful woman, but she was also torn down by Fox News for like 15 years.
And the difference, I think, with this campaign that got 77 days, do your worst.
You know, you don't have 15 years to build this sort of monologue about Kamala Harris.
And most of what I see the right train to throw as mud against Kamala Harris's record or whatever else, it ain't stickin' her own.
We sell these powerful women, moving around here politically.
You don't see this as a r-
No, but this used to just be men, the good old boys.
But look at all the brilliant women that are around and well-educated.
And they've been waiting for this opportunity.
They've been working for this opportunity.
Yes, and so they are organized.
They are going to vote overwhelmingly to support Kamala Harris.
And I don't know how the Republicans are going to be able to overcome that.
Because the only thing Donald Trump can do is attack.
And if he attacks her from the perspective of being a woman,
they're further and further alienating women.
Keep taking the whole.
Keep taking the whole.
Keep doing more of that.
Earl Ingram, a junior, our fine guest for just a couple more minutes.
Earl, the National Association of Black Journalists,
and I forget the lady's name.
She did a great job.
A very first question to Donald Trump when he decided to show up for that disaster of a brother.
Whatever that was.
I thought laid it out.
You know, laid out all the history of things that Donald Trump had said about black people,
about black journalists, about black judges and black politicians.
And why should you, why should black people trust you now?
And he had no, no response to that.
It was, it was your nasty.
You're a nasty.
I came here in good faith.
Where's my opponent?
You're a nasty.
That doesn't, that's not going to, to my opinion, Earl, win over any, any converts in the black community.
Well, you know, those of us who've been around a while, you know, a few days old and in dirt.
We understand, man, who Donald Trump is.
Donald Trump is a person that he's been that I've known or known about over 50 years.
And he certainly has done nothing to endure himself to people of color.
What he's counting on, younger blacks in their 20s and the 30s and he throws a bone.
And the Republican Party is throwing a bone to some of them.
They argue and say that the Democratic Party is not giving us an opportunity.
I talked to some of them and so they're leaning towards that.
But they're that exception and not the rule.
And so not to worry.
Earl and Grum.
I believe it was Rachel Scott from ABC that asked the questions on behalf of the NABJ of Donald Trump.
And he called her a nasty woman.
Didn't like her much.
Earl, any other big stuff happened in this week.
You got anyone scheduled?
People can tune in for.
They should know well.
Well, man, listen, I'm here, man.
And you know, you know, it's always great to be around you guys.
And so I don't need to think about tomorrow.
I'm thinking about right now, sharing the not the phones that you got.
What's the point of the third interview being played?
Oh, Dr. Martin Luther King, the third that we had a 15 minute interview with him
that we'll be playing back tomorrow or the day after.
I'm really excited about it.
Big of choice.
It's tomorrow.
I will find out.
We have to pull this over.
It's better listen every day.
It's great to be with you guys as always, man.
Thank you for the opportunity.
Great to see you, Earl and Grum.
Earl and Grum, host of the Earl and Grum show on Civic Media.
Listen for M&W AUK.
We got a fine guest.
He is the attorney general.
The great state of Wisconsin.
Josh Call.
He joins us at the DNC next right here in Chicago at the United
Center.
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