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We got to find guests who is joining us at the table right now.
He's the attorney general of the great state of Wisconsin.
Our friend Josh, call.
Welcome back, Josh.
Thanks for having me, guys.
Hey, Josh, good to see you.
Thanks for being patient and working as son.
You know, you political sorts.
What do you do here at a convention?
I know it's your first, but what have you done here, Josh?
Yeah, well, it's been first, it's been great.
You know, there is incredible energy and enthusiasm among Democrats around
the country.
I knew there wasn't Wisconsin and it's clear that it is around the country
because of all the excitement behind the Harris Walls ticket.
But it's been great to connect with folks who, you know, I've seen some
of my fellow AGs from around the country, a lot of folks from from Wisconsin
and other states.
There's been a lot of discussion about policy issues.
You know, last night we heard from some women from some states where
access to abortion was being blocked and the impact it had on them.
We've of course heard from a lot of candidates about their vision for
for the next administration and for the future.
So it's a good opportunity to connect with people to talk about issues
and to organize behind the Harris Walls campaign.
Well, the attorney general job doesn't always get the same prominence.
It's just let's say a governor.
But since Cobbler Harris has been the new nominee, suddenly the AGs in
vocals.
Well, you know, Bill Clinton is a former A.G.
Also, but no, we know a long time ago, I don't think he served very long as
A.G.
But you know, but look, first of all, I think one of the things that you've
seen in this race is that her background as an A.G.
And as a DA has played a key role in her success.
She is litigating the case against Donald Trump.
And it couldn't be a clearer contrast between the two of them.
On top of that, you know, as an A.G.
I've had the opportunity to speak to a number of people who were themselves
or former A.G.s who served with her.
And for years, I've known that her colleagues hold her in the highest
regard and think incredibly highly of her.
And let's be honest, she did not always get the best press when she was Vice
President, either to Joe Biden, by the way.
And it was always interesting to me that what I had heard from her colleagues
and what I had seen in the interactions that I had had with her was so
different from what was portrayed in the press.
She was outgoing, she was engaging, she was engaged in issues
substantively and actually just before the DAB's decision came down over
turning row, she brought several A.G.'s around the country together,
including me, to talk to us about what we were doing to prepare if row was
overturned and how we could protect reproductive freedom in our states.
She's somebody who was seeing where this was going and wanted to make sure
she was available to help and to engage people.
It turned out that was the day before the DAB's decision was issued.
And as you know, we lost access to safe and legal abortion in Wisconsin for 15
months. We fought back against that and we've now restored it.
But she was actually back in Wisconsin in August of 2022.
You know, working just in advance the elections there and she talked about that
issue and how she had our back in that case.
This is somebody who's been engaged and what's been great over the last
month is to see the whole country see her through the same lens that that I
had in the work that I've done and through conversations.
She's a leader, she's ready to lead this country.
She's running an outstanding campaign and I think we're going to see this
energy continue for the next two and a half months.
Folks, we've got Josh called the fine attorney general great state of Wisconsin
here. Devils advocates live at the DNC.
I think I first got to meet Kamala Harris.
She was sender Harris then.
She came to Wisconsin in 2018 and maybe she campaigned for you.
Tony Evers and Tammy Baldwin, if I recall, but I got to meet her and interview
her briefly and I found her to be very intense.
I had never interviewed someone that had that much intensity for a three minute
interview.
Personally, I think the characterizations I've seen on Fox news and right wing
talk radio or ludicrous in no way.
Is she anything other than this intense intelligent human being?
But what's your personal experience, Josh?
100% consistent with what you're saying.
And I'll, you know, I mentioned the example about how she brought folks
together. I'll give you another example.
I met with her on the tarmac several months ago and there was an issue that
was important to public safety in Wisconsin, which is that we're facing
significant cuts in what's called VOCA funding, victim of crime act funding.
That provides a lot of the resources for victim service programs, programs
that help people who are victims of domestic violence or sexual assault or
other crimes get the support that they need as they work through the justice
system or or not, but getting the support that they need.
So I raised that with her and she immediately said, oh, yeah, I know about
that program.
I worked with it when I was a G. Well, I saw her about a month later at another
tarmac meeting and I'd wanted to follow up with her, but she was prepared.
She had done some follow up.
She knew what was going on federally, wanted to talk about it and made clear
that she knew how important that issue was.
It's another good example of her being on top of the issues.
And I just, just to put this in perspective, I want you to imagine Donald
Trump in that same situation.
Now, there is no chance that Donald Trump knows that program exists.
If he did, he certainly wouldn't be falling up.
He might be wondering how he could profit off of it.
Just based on how he approaches everything else, but this is somebody who is
prepared to lead and who's got the experience that we need in the White House.
Folks, you're listening to the Devils.
Evacates Radio Show.
Josh Call was Consul and Attorney General joining us at the desk in the Chicago
at the DNC, Josh.
Thanks for making some time for us.
The Vice Presidential candidate JD Vance is in Kenosha talking about crime.
And I think this is something you know a little bit about Josh.
My understanding if it wasn't for the actions of the president of the time,
Donald Trump, Kenosha would be nothing more than a pile of smoldering ashes.
You know, crime has been a topic of conversation pushed from the right.
But my understanding, Josh, and how about you tell me a lot of the crime
statistics have gone down under this administration.
You know, it's a, it's a funny thing.
When you get rid of chaos leading the country like we had under Donald Trump,
it, it has a big impact.
But the first, let me say this, you know,
we talked a little bit about Kamala Harris's background before.
This is somebody who was a DA in a major county prosecuting serious crimes.
She was the age of the largest state in the country.
And she held people who committed mortgage fraud accountable and worked to recover resources.
She is somebody who knows public safety issues.
She's a former prosecutor.
And then on the other hand, you had JD Vance in Milwaukee last Friday.
And when he was talking about public safety, he suggested people watch the movie,
Gangs of New York.
So on the one hand, you've got a former prosecutor.
And on the other hand, you've got a ticket with one guy who's seen gangs in New York
and another guy who's seen silence in the lambs and can't stop talking about it.
It's pretty obvious which ticket is better on public safety.
But you don't just need to rely on that.
Look at the statistics, as you said.
When Donald Trump was president, shootings and homicides went up dramatically.
Now, that was partly because of the pandemic.
There's no question.
But Donald Trump wasn't helping with the pandemic.
And his budgets consistently attacked funding for public safety.
Republicans right now are attacking funding for public safety in Congress.
With Biden Harris, we've seen a drop in shootings, a historic drop in homicides,
an investment in public safety, often trying to battle with Republicans in Congress.
And so having that kind of leadership with Biden Harris has made a big difference.
And then last, as I mentioned at the beginning,
having leadership that's steady and consistent and reliable,
that helps having somebody who is volatile and unpredictable
and attacks the justice system and the Department of Justice and the FBI.
Whenever they do something that he doesn't like for political reasons,
that's not good for the rule of law and it's not good for public safety.
Josh, election safety.
We know that Donald Trump has, in fact, attacked the outcome of the last election.
And continues to do so.
We know there have been some charges filed.
And I know you probably aren't going to,
unless you would like to talk about an open infrastructure in general.
But I assume no.
But here's my question, sir.
How do we protect the next election?
Because every indication is he didn't learn anything.
There's been no successful prosecution.
No trial going to happen between down and election day.
Josh, how do we a keep election workers,
even Meghan Wolfe safe in the state, and be,
you know, what's the role of the attorney general in making sure things go well
from a non-chaotic point of view this fall?
Yeah, well, first, let's talk about Donald Trump.
Donald Trump's investigations, if you'd like, Mr. Attorney General.
Let's focus on Donald Trump.
So, you know, he said that an Emmy he didn't,
I forget if it was he didn't get nominated or he didn't win,
but he said that was rigged.
You know, when he lost the Iowa caucus to Ted Cruz,
he said that was rigged.
He said the 2016 election was going to be rigged and then he won it.
And he still kept saying it was rigged.
And then in 2020, he said it was rigged.
So I think we know where this is headed with Donald Trump.
But here's the good news.
In 2020, there was a real concerted effort
to overturn the results of our election.
There was also a lot of concern before the election
that there would be voter intimidation at the polls.
So we made clear what the law is on voter intimidation,
and it's a crime.
We made clear that people are going to be held accountable
if they tried to intimidate people,
because that's our constitutional right we're talking about.
And every voter who's eligible
should be able to freely and fairly cast a ballot.
We're also going to make clear as we head into this election
that intimidating election officials,
threatening election officials, can be a crime.
And if people commit that crime,
if they cross the line, they're going to be held accountable.
Now, on the post election, we're prepared for the attacks.
We had an effort to overturn the results in 2020.
There were several lawsuits filed.
My administration defended against those suits,
and we won every single case, just like cases across the country
were won.
If Donald Trump and his allies try to overturn the results
again, or if anybody else does, but I think we know
who's likely to be doing it, we're going to defend the results
again, and I'm confident that the will of the voters
will be upheld again, because the facts and the law
are going to speak for themselves.
And what's interesting is we have a lot of elections in Wisconsin.
We don't just have presidential elections.
We just had a primary.
Nobody's going around saying the results can't be trusted,
or our system doesn't work.
There were Republicans who lost primaries.
Because the reality is, we all know the system works.
If it's a few hundred vote difference,
maybe you do a recount and you see if there's a small change,
but fundamentally the system works.
And it's only when Donald Trump is on the scene
that people are complaining.
So if you hear Republicans saying the system doesn't work,
where have they been for the last four years?
Why haven't they been challenged?
Well, this is only works when they get elected and they win,
even if it's the same election they're saying
the president didn't win.
It doesn't make any sense.
Well, they just got clobbered in a couple amendments,
and they're not challenging.
Those results, because those are the results
that the voters voted for.
Are you sure there wasn't anything untoward
in that Janelle Branson race?
Because she only lost by like 30 points.
Even Janelle Branson.
I don't think it said that there was anything wrong
in that race.
She certainly said a lot about the problem.
I guess everything has been fixed then.
There you go.
Josh call the very fine attorney general
of the great state of Wisconsin friend of ours.
Josh, I hope you enjoy your democratic convention
right here in Chicago.
Don't forget the devil's advocates.
We'll be party until late, sir.
Thanks for having me, guys.
Thank you, Josh.
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Tom, we are live here at the DNC.
Just had a fine guest hour attorney general in the great state
of Wisconsin.
Josh call and he was showing us our sense of humor after the interview.
He said, you know, you're the first one ever to ask me about.
You confirm we're doing investigation.
The old indictment of good Senator Ron Johnson.
He would not.
He would not.
Hey, man, he's got to ask.
We've got to ask.
He does not have to answer, but we appreciate you, Josh.
Thanks for coming round, man.
We're expecting Liz Schuller from the AFL CIO president thereof.
hopeful that she'll be joining us here shortly, damn.
And don't forget, we're doing the coverage all night long.
Right here on the civic media network.
We'll be doing it on WC PT 820 AM out of Chicago and Katie enough 950 AM out
of Minneapolis.
But the encouraging part, Bill press joining us in the 7 o'clock hour
tonight, our good friend Bill press going to be at the table for an hour
straight.
And then petty.
Bazquez is going to join us eight to 10.
We got no.
We've got a Kamala Harris rally in Milwaukee.
We'll try to dip in and bring you some of the sound of that.
And of course, we got Brock and Michelle Obama.
Second gentleman, Doug Mhoff got a lot of big speeches tonight.
You're going to have to tune in all night long.
Devils have kids doing it as only we can.
But earlier today, I was monitoring the affairs in the great state of Wisconsin.
Yeah.
And Jenny Vance did a little pressuring connocia.
He's been in Wisconsin quite a bit here on the stalker tour.
Well, Kamala Harris is there.
He's there stalking her in connocia and Rich going to need your help back in the
mothership if you could.
Let's start with a little bit of the JD Vance sound.
Rich, if you'd be so kind, let's play the first of the Vance sound bites, please.
Kamala Harris is going to run the campaign that she runs.
I would say that I wish that she would do what I'm doing right now,
which is talk to the media and actually answer some tough questions.
No, did you hear the crowd?
I did hear a crowd.
There was a peanut gallery in connocia.
It was so weird.
It was like he has the press conference or whether we're press and he actually
did allow JD Vance did allow local press from the state of Wisconsin.
Like I wish I was there because I might ask a tough question.
Oh, JD, how important is Wisconsin to your campaign?
You know, you got to ask the question, but if you only get one, that wouldn't be mine.
But anyways, it was weird because JD Vance would answer the questions,
but you could also hear like the reaction of the crowd in the background.
And at one point, he was asked, what'd you think of the DNC last night?
And the crowd booed.
And then he said, yeah, my sentiments exactly boo.
Now, let's play a little bit more of the Republicans couch loving second made.
A JD Vance played for the people union voters cut third, cut five.
If we don't tell people what to do, they're going to be able to buy cars that are made in
America with American workers doing the jobs.
And that is why I think we're going to win the majority of union and non-union workers
in this country.
Think of the irony of city and connocia, Wisconsin, talking about the fact that
what Trump's going to save jobs, I would just yell at a fax, God.
What about fax kind?
Wasn't that going to be the eighth wonder of the world?
He said it.
They were out there digging holes with golden shovels.
They were indeed digging holes with the golden shovels.
Supposed to be the eighth wonder of the world.
But when they talk about, because JD Vance's implication was,
they've offshored so many Wisconsin manufacturing jobs to China.
But that's not going to happen under Trump.
And did he come in to office Trump promising what carrier air conditioning?
Well, you're not going to lose any more jobs on the other side of the planet.
He promised that he would save the planet.
He closed anyways.
So tariffs didn't exactly solve all the world's problems.
Who wouldn't a panacea for everything that nailed the economy?
Tariffs are paid by the consumers.
The American consumer.
I'd hate to tell you how it actually works.
Ron Johnson said just yesterday, it's a really a way to punish China.
I'm like, is that really how it works, Senator?
Apparently, apparently into what caused and not only that when when you start the trade war,
if I recall correctly, when this whole thing went down with Trump and his tariffs on China,
there's retaliation, you know what I mean?
Then the they start doing some tariffs.
I think it was a ginseng farmers in the state of Wisconsin.
All of a sudden, well, we got to start subsidizing farming to a much greater degree
than we were before to keep them holding.
Make sure we can still have food on the table.
Thirty billion dollars and I remember how everyone was so
upset about the auto, auto bailout, but at least that was those were loans and got paid back.
Donald Trump in the midst of this tariff war with China, subsidized the US farmers to the
two to 20 or 30 billion dollars.
That was just given away.
GM's alive, and Osama bin Laden is dead.
I think we have one more from JD Vance in Kenosha, talking about his walls, debate prep.
If you would please, Rich, let's play cut number six.
Well, I found a good friend from back home who embellishes and lies a lot.
And I'm having him stand in for Tim Walls.
That's what we're doing during our debate, but look, what we're all getting
aside of what we're going to do is we're going to focus a lot on policy.
So what you're doing, you're doing your debate prep with the former president, Donald Trump,
because that's a guy who's got how many 30, 40,000 documented lies and he cannot go to a press
conference or a campaign rally without racking up a dozen, two dozen provable lies.
Well, they also talked about the fact that Tulsi Gabbard is actually joining the Trump campaign
to help with the debate prep.
He did brag a lot about the fact that he and his wife, when she was still his girlfriend,
Usha, I believe Mrs. Vance now, now Mrs. Vance.
The first time they ever came to Wisconsin, you know what they did.
They went to the Wisconsin cheese gas.
Y'all come on.
I swear to God, and he said, by kids, when I got the call after he told his kid to shut the hell
up, apparently the most excited thing his kids were excited about the go visit the cheese castle.
God love the cheesecast.
Have you been there?
He's talking about peanut gallery crowd and apparently the press.
And he was very excited to tell them all about the cheese castle.
And also, Erica V and Brian Stale, those candidates appeared with JD Vance today in the place
that Foxconn forgot, he was in Kenola, she was Wisconsin.
Tonus, how great Trump was for industry and manufacturing.
Very good.
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844-967-2789 Jeff asked,
could we call what JD is doing the creepy unwanted job shadowing?
I think we could.
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Down we got another fine guest.
He's here at the table with us.
He is Mandela Barnes.
Mandela, I'm forgetting what your official title is.
Other than friend of the devil's former lieutenant governor, perhaps?
That's a nice one.
I think that works.
That's a title that is Mandela Barnes.
That is a pleasure to see you.
LT forever.
LT Emeritus.
So LT Emeritus Barnes.
Let me ask you, first convention, man.
What do you like and what do you not like in about this convention?
It is my first convention.
I'm liking a whole lot.
I certainly love an energy.
It is reunion getting back to see a whole bunch of friends.
You all include it.
Chief among them, maybe.
Oh, thank you, mental.
So just getting a hangout.
I was on the first page somewhere.
But seriously, having a good time.
Just reconnecting with folks and filling the energy,
filling the vibe.
And I truly feel like this is something special that's going on right now.
Only thing I don't like is my bike got stolen yesterday.
Oh, no.
I was bragging.
I was on Maggie show.
I was bragging about my genius of bringing my bike down here.
Because it's so easy to come.
You know, somebody from the truck campaign did that point.
They were listening to me.
I'm like, you know, at least one and a half mock and he's on a bike.
It's perfect.
Yeah.
Which it was.
But yeah, I'm going to go home one bike.
Fewer than I showed up with.
It's in JD Vance's airplane right now.
So in from the campaign, why did you talk about the crime?
They were calling Chicago a battle zone.
Yeah, that's what JD Vance was in Kenosha today.
And he called Chicago a battle zone.
He said, you know, the only reason why they're doing the DNC down there.
It's so Tim Walls can finally live the war zone experience.
He talks about that is acid.
And I think Trump and Vance don't need any Illinois voters.
I realize they're going to lose this state.
But still you go and crap on every state that is blue.
And apparently they do.
Hey, look, I mean, look, when you're scared, you say weird things.
Right.
And that's JD Vance.
He's he's he's he's an afraid man.
Now you've seen a lot of political campaigns.
He is one of the worst candidates I've seen.
I promise you like I expect this so much more.
He's do I said this before he's doing a disservice to my generation.
When he was picked out, I like honestly, I love there was some fear when
when he was picked as an audience like, oh, man, this is this guy.
My he might bring it soon as he opened his mouth on the stage of the R&C.
I said, oh, okay, we're we're we're in there.
We're good.
We got a fighting chance still.
Well, and then it's a gift that keeps on giving Mandela.
It wasn't just that he opened his mouth of the RNC.
It's that he's been recorded over the years saying absolutely racist,
misogynist, terrible things.
He's a terrible speaker who says terrible things.
There's there's no finesse that if you wanted to where he had to have some finesse,
he doesn't have it.
Mandela, true or false?
JD Vance probably had sex with that college.
Oh.
Look, I don't look, you know, as a as a as a political standard,
what goes on in people's bedrooms is none of my business.
Other living rooms is the case here, whatever room, whatever room.
The fact that he has people's intimacy is not of my concern.
But he has been so very business.
None of my business.
I love the fact that, you know, Michelle Obama was going to speak tonight here at the DNC.
What was her tickets when they go low, we go high?
Yeah, yeah.
I mean, it's not that I'm going high on this one.
Just avoiding conversation.
But don't you think that that tenor has changed a little bit?
It was once upon a time the Republicans Hillary Clinton was attacked so many times by Donald Trump.
Yeah, but she would talk policy.
She wouldn't go to the gutter with them.
She wouldn't say, okay, little little Don or whatever the case may be.
She'd never went low.
Yeah.
And suddenly, and I'm not implying that Tim Walsh is in the gutter,
but Tim Walsh is having a lot of fun with the political.
Certainly having a lot of fun.
And it is rightfully so.
I appreciate that he's doing it.
He's still keeping it within bounds as well.
Because there's so much that is now in bounds, you know,
comparatively speaking to the depths that they go to.
So even if what he said, you know, ten years ago,
may have been a cause for controversy.
It's not at this point.
And as many wild things as Trump has said,
as many wild things as JD Vance has said to, you know,
make fun of the choices that JD Vance makes in his own life.
I don't, you know, that's not unfair right now.
You know, it's interesting.
I always thought Barack Obama a better man than pretty much any damn man I ever met in my life.
He is better than me.
I know he is better dead, better politician, better everything.
I want better people to run our country.
For sure.
For sure.
Kamala Harris, I met her.
I find her to be incredibly intense, Mandela.
I don't know if you've had the opportunity to interact with Kamala.
Have you?
So my view of Kamala, you know, years ago when it was only what I saw on TV.
I thought she's very intense also.
But having so many interpersonal reactions with her,
she is such a personable person.
I mean, I cannot tell you like how just like, I enjoy being around her.
You know, she gives me a hard time sometimes.
Like, you know, we've built a rapport.
So she's somebody.
Is it the baldness thing, Mandela?
It could be.
That's my choice.
It's not my love soul.
It's not, you know, the Laura's choice.
But, um, you know, I think that she is truly a much more personable person than
folks, you know, give her credit for.
And I remember being at a, at a, at a smaller dinner with her, um, last fall.
I'm probably just going to need me to talk about this.
But like, she asked for open and honest feedback from people.
And, you know, one of the things is like, yeah, you know,
the Kamala who's showing up to this dinner right now is who needs to show up,
you know, in front of, uh, you know, Americans on the TV screen.
Because that is what will take you to the presidency.
And I think that she took that to heart because more of it is starting to come out.
Folks, you're listening to the Devils.
Evacates radio show live from the DNC in Chicago, former lieutenant,
governor of the great state of Wisconsin, Mandela Barnes.
Our friend, thank you, Mandela, great to see you.
What I love about Kamala Harris is, is what, what I'm seeing now,
as I think has been held back perhaps again, it was a Biden administration.
You know, she, she's, she's in the Biden administration.
Biden administration will kind of dictate the schedule.
Let's call it now that this is, I've been to number two before.
Yeah, you know what I'm saying, right?
But now, now this is her game.
This is her thing and what's coming through the joy, Mandela.
I mean, I had no idea how much I missed that feeling, that energy,
the, it was always so negative before.
And it's tough to talk about, you know, Trump and the, the doom scrolling.
You know what I'm saying?
But all of a sudden, here comes this candidate who has just turned this whole thing
in 180 degrees and talking about joy and talking about,
you know, aspirational things, talking about service and,
in really, really contrasting, not just philosophies between Democrats and mega,
but between her and Donald Trump.
About who we are as people.
Yeah.
Yeah, what kind of world we live in?
Who do we want to associate with?
How do we want to build community with each other?
Mandela, you ran in a,
Senator, you started in a rough time.
Uh, Eric Hudby.
That guy's a terrible candidate too, man.
I don't know if he saw him at the slinger speedway trying to do the pledge of allegiance.
Oh, he, he, he is not ready for pride.
I didn't, I didn't ask you that.
He's certainly not ready for prime time.
You know, it, it totally just pushes back the narrative about, you know,
being smart to make money.
Well, it's better to have rich parents.
That's the reason it's looking Trump.
Look at this is true.
This is true.
You know, if your parents are wealthy enough, it's hard to go broke.
Yeah.
I don't have that problem.
Mandela, our fine gas Mandela Barnes,
former lieutenant governor of the great state of Wisconsin.
Mandela, um,
your political heroes, man, I got a few political heroes.
I'm hoping to bump into a few media sorts and a few politician sorts.
You got a one you'd marry anyone you might go and take a selfie with.
I've had the chance to meet them.
I've had a chance to meet them.
You know, I've met Obama, um, that's certainly number one in terms of political heroes.
Hey, other names you'd like to draw for us?
Dead with a Kamala Kamala.
You met Diamond Crude.
Did met you too.
Who else is on the list?
That's what I mean.
Like, I've, I've been fortunate to have to have met those political heroes.
You know, they're saying, uh, never, never meets your heroes.
Yeah, I don't get the sense that that's something you came away with.
I don't even spend that much time with me.
Yeah.
I'm sure he follows you.
Yeah, no, no, no, no.
You spent enough time with us.
So you see if you fall so too, Mandela.
The luster is worn off.
I can't believe that it never wore off for me.
I still like you, uh, Mandela.
The political campaign really kicks off after Labor Day.
Yeah, for sure.
Um, do you anticipate having to roll this,
this fall in the campaign in the, uh, what is your role this fall?
What's your motive and, and, and what do you hope to do and get accomplished?
My role won't be directly with the Walt Harris campaign, or excuse me,
Harris Walsh campaign, Sweet Lord.
Um, my work is going to be with power to the polls focused on civic engagement,
voter turnout, uh, telling stories, making sure people know what is at stake, uh,
how to combat voter disinformation, also how to combat voter suppression efforts.
That's where my focus is going to be on the independent side.
I saw Angela Lang start to interrupt Mandela.
I saw Angela Lang from Black Leaders Organizing Communities a few months ago.
Very hard door knock.
She said it's a difficult environment.
Yeah.
I've seen her sense.
Seems like her attitudes changed about knocking on the doors.
Mandela, how's it going?
Um, obviously it takes money to fund operations like this.
But how's the enthusiasm?
Are you getting the volunteers?
Yeah.
You get the money?
Are you getting the enthusiasm?
So folks, way more people have been calling to volunteer.
And, you know, I've said this one before.
I've gotten texts from people who didn't even text me during my campaign.
Who want to help out with, you know, commoners race.
So folks are enthusiastic and excited.
It is very real.
It's easier to recruit volunteers.
Also easier to recruit organizers and better responses on the doors already.
I got to tell you one very nice touch.
Yeah.
And we've known each other a few years, man.
Every year on my birthday, you text me.
Not like a Facebook, whatever.
I get an actual text from Mandela Barnes.
It's a personal touch through.
And it's probably the most memorable message.
Because I'm not even bothered.
His birthday is like two days for mine.
He's like, oh, it's almost my birthday.
I can't even talk about your birthday.
But I get a text from Mandela every year on June 12th.
You're a wonderful human being in Mandela.
Yeah, we appreciate you too, man.
Uh, the, the Trump campaign.
Do I set a birthday didn't you?
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, thank you.
Oh, birthdays.
Birthdays are important.
Good politician and a good friend.
The, the Trump campaign claims that they have, uh,
they're getting success from the outreach to the African-American community.
I heard Ron Johnson talking about going on a black radio in Milwaukee.
And they're getting a great party of that.
Lincoln Mandela.
Great reception.
Uh, as, as a young black man, Mandela, what's your sense of those kinds of statements coming
out of the Republican Party?
Well, they're, you know, idea of a great reception from a black community,
given that they probably had very few interactions with black people in general
in regular life.
If one person or two people say yes, and they consider that a success.
And now I'm not going to make any, any, you know, uh,
look, I'm not going to make any excuses.
I'm going to be very forthcoming and saying, yes, there are challenges.
Um, you know, there are a handful of, you know, black males here and there, uh,
nowhere near Madrid.
And I even close to it.
But there are some people who are Trump curious, Republican curious,
understand that we're doing everything we can to combat that, uh, you know,
most of it is misinformation and disinformation.
Uh, but for folks who have, you know, never, you know,
got a date before if they show up and somebody gives them the phone number
then all of a sudden they, they, they assume that they're, you know,
some sort of, um, Casanova.
Well, and if, if, if some people are engaged, I mean,
they may be, maybe, maybe misguided and perhaps there's some additional
information that could come to life.
But at least those are folks that are already, you know, trying,
trying to do something, trying to be engaged.
And at least folks that would potentially be able to come out and,
and vote for a different team, if, you know, the more new information
comes to life, the, the, the, uh, National Association Black
journalism, uh, journalists, uh, interview with, with Donald Trump.
I thought was just to continue more telling, uh, of, of how this man is.
If he's in a corner, if he, if he's being, uh, contested by anyone,
especially a strong black woman, uh, or a strong woman in general,
it is nasty.
Everyone's nasty, and I think, again, that, that contrast to, to what the
Kamala Harris campaign is, about joy and about hope and about
service and, and what can we do?
What kind of country do we want to live in?
It's, it's really, really difficult for me to kind of feel how, you know,
someone could be on the fence between those kinds of messages and
philosophies and contrast, uh, to, to say, well, yeah, I want to be
with the anger and the, the, the chaos and, and the hatred versus
what, what else other people are talking about?
Yeah. I mean, he has made his entire political career off being, uh,
you know, I'll, I'll just be you in bio, right?
Just being one of the most, one of the one of the worst people and it's
brought out the worst in many other people in our society.
And I hate that it's gotten that way, uh, but I truly believe that
more people are over it than people who are willing to go along with it.
Mandela is the American dream dead?
Nope.
Nope.
Do you think we will see this ticket?
Kamala Harris and Tim Walls.
Well, she inspired a new vision of an American dream.
I, I, I am certainly hoping so, uh, and I'm going to work hard as I can to make
that happen.
Former lieutenant governor of the great state of Wisconsin.
Still, I hope friend of the devil's advocates.
Although, you know, well, they say, I won't even go there.
Mandela bar and six for putting up with this man.
Really appreciate your company and your time.
Nice to see you.
Hey, good to see you.
Where are the devil's advocates?
Live at the DNC and Chicago, Illinois.
We're going to make way for the wrap up show at six o'clock,
hosted by Todd Alba and Terry Bell.
And then at seven, we got Bill Press joining us.
We're going to be doing all the speeches, all the coverage from here until Barack Obama.
Later tonight, Kamala Harris and Milwaukee.
We've seen some pictures, man.
That place is a rock concert and it's hours before they go off.
More devil's advocates come all back live at the DNC.
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And welcome back to the devil's advocates radio show live from the DNC
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Dom, I'm going to think our fine guest list right now before I forget because
there's been a lot.
It's been a fine show.
I want to take John Fugel Singh, our friend from serious XM.
Want to take our own Earl Ingram from civic media.
Listen, eight to 10 a.m. on W-A-U-K 540 catch Earl show.
Our check your local listings.
You might be playing in your market as well.
The fine attorney general, great seated Wisconsin.
Josh Call joined us here.
Ben Wickler, the Democratic Party of Wisconsin.
Share my senator, Diane Hesslebine from Middleton, Wisconsin.
She is the Senate Minority Leader.
Great state of Wisconsin.
We had Polster Page Gardener from PSG Consulting Mandela Barnes.
Most recently, thank you to Mandela.
I feel like I'm still for good people.
Still, add and wait, but wait, there's more.
Gensou knives and bill press tonight at seven o'clock joining us as we shift seats down.
We slide over to WCPT side and we anchor the live coverage all night long.
We're going to try and do a little bit of Kamla in Milwaukee.
And I've seen some pictures.
Maddie from WRPQ and civic media is there today.
And she was taking pictures.
Jorge is up in the nosebleeds as well.
It was packed in the Pfizer forum at three o'clock this afternoon.
There's crowds gathering.
It's like thousands of people outside of the forum.
It is going to be a party.
And our understanding is Kamla, Harris and Tim Walls will give their speeches.
And then the Obama's are going to be featured.
It's going to be a watch party.
And we're going to bring it all to you right here on the radio WCPT 820 AM KT and F950 AM.
And of course, across the civic media network and the great state of Wisconsin.
Don, it's going to be a hell of a good time.
I hope you all.
Team Blast on a stick around some of the highlights from last night,
crudey AOC, you know, it's I find it very interesting.
We're sitting here.
We're watching it.
We're listening to it.
But you know, then I sleep on it.
I get up the next day and I'm reading some of the headlines,
some of the articles and and looking at some of the video.
It's like, you know, AOC really lit it up last night.
She's a rising star.
Let's play some of that sound in case you didn't stay up late last night.
We got AOC talking about Trump, the union buster,
scab, Rich, if you would, please play Alexandria Ocasio Cortez cut nine, please.
And I for one and tired about a hearing about how a two-bit union buster thinks of himself as more of a patriot
than the woman who fights every single day.
The passion she brought to that stage, man, she was she was fired up.
She was gesticulating and she was dynamic.
Young rising star of the Democratic Party.
I think everybody knows that.
Well, and she was throwing, she was throwing daggers that were hitting the mark.
I think she, the words that were coming out of her mouth were resonating with me, certainly.
One more from AOC, cut 10, please, Rich.
Donald Trump would sell this country for a dollar if it meant lining his own pockets,
and greasing the palms of his Wall Street friend.
You preach it, sister.
This is for real.
Hillary, Adam Clinton, also last night, she had some knocks on Trump as well,
talking about the convictions, again, a worthy...
She was just telling the truth.
And Trump's losing his mind.
Let's hear what the secretary had to say, cut number 11.
Donald Trump fell asleep at his own trial.
And when he woke up, he made his own kind of history.
The first person to run for president with 34 felony convictions.
And at that point, the crowd here in Chicago last night interrupted Hillary.
Lock him up.
Lock him up.
The chance it had, she, she basted it for just a moment.
Just a moment.
Maybe a moment longer than she should have, but you know,
you can totally understand what to drink from that well for just a tad.
A couple more from a Clinton cut number 12, please, Rich.
I want my grandchildren and their grandchildren to know I was here at this moment
that we were here and that we were with Kamala Harris every step of the way.
This is our time, America.
And the DMS, DNC, they got him, Trump, on the run, cut number 13, please.
He is lying about Kamala's record.
He's mocking her name and her laugh.
Sounds familiar.
Does, right?
But we have him on the run now.
Running on empty a couple from the president Joe Biden, talking about the economy again,
I think this is important to highlight the president's his record on the company.
It was his name last day.
It was cut number 14, please, Rich.
Good job.
Record small business growth.
Record high stock market.
Record high 401k's.
Wages up and inflation down, way down and continuing to go down.
Yes, those are things.
Those are facts.
Republicans, you could repeat them if you wanted to.
Let's jump down to cut number 16, Trump never built a thing.
Donald Trump promised infrastructure week, every week for four years.
And he never built a damn thing.
Let's do one more, two more, cut number 17, Kamala's choice.
Selecting Kamala was the very first decision I made before I became when I became our nominee.
And it was the best decision I made my whole career.
It was a good one, but he made one more to step aside, cut number 18.
It's been the honor of my lifetime to serve as your president.
I love the job, but I love my country more.
Thank you, Joe.
Thank you, Joe. The crowd entered, ended the evening chanting last night.
Thank you, Joe.
Look, the Wisconsinites on the TV now in the bowl,
wearing their cheese heads as has become the tradition.
Damn, I should have brought my cheese head down.
Thank you all for listening.
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