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Now live from the Civic Media Studios in Madison, Wisconsin, where the political party is just

beginning, welcome to the Devil's Advocates radio show.

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out on the road.

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He was in O'Clair, is in O'Clair, Wisconsin, as we speak, Vice President Kamala Harris

for newly announced running mate, Minnesota Governor Tim Walls out on the stump, doing

the speech defying, getting the crowd revved up.

Man, I saw some lines on social media and you know how that works.

But it looked like it was a ruckus crowd, a big crowd in Wisconsin today.

We're going to bring you some of that sound, certainly from Tim Walls, Kamala Harris.

It is, it is an exciting day here in the great state of Wisconsin.

And we are excited.

We have a huge show for you today, Marquette University Law School polling that dropped

today.

Postal extraordinaire Charles Franklin, he's going to join us at 330 go behind the numbers,

get to the details of what he has seen in the state of Wisconsin, his most recent

poll that will be at 330.

And in the next hour, 430, Democrat Rebecca Cook, a candidate for Wisconsin's third congressional

district, she is going to join us, it's getting a little chippy out there in the third CD,

primary, her and Katrina Shanklin, their campaign is going back and forth.

We'll get the inside scoop from Rebecca.

We have invited to my understanding Katrina again, as well.

There's been an invitation for her in the past.

And they're the winner of that primer.

There's a third, but you know, not really doing much.

And the winner of that primary, of course, will take on day drinker Derek Van Norton,

a legend.

We'll see what happens.

You can't drink all day if you don't start in the morning, you know what I'm saying,

Derek.

So we will get to Rebecca Cook at 430.

So some of the coverage to today, the vice president just wrapped up her speech, hitting

on a lot of the familiar themes that we've heard of the last couple of speeches.

And you know, the comparison between her as a prosecutor and her career and how it juxtaposes

to Donald Trump and his grifting and carnival barking.

And let's just put it out there, fraudulent activity, sexual abuse activity.

She's sitting on these same things again.

You know, when I was a attorney general in California, we went after sexual beers, Donald

Trump is a sexy people.

We went after fraudsters, Donald Trump is the fraudster.

We went after people who broke the rules to their own benefit.

Donald Trump does that as well.

So some of the familiar themes love to hear it.

I think she's going to keep on ringing that bell because you know what?

It's like the weird thing.

It's true.

It's true.

And it resonates and it sticks with me, probably you, for one very important reason, because

it's true.

As she concluded her speech, I did see most of it today.

Do we want to have a country, a freedom of compassion, a country with the rule of law?

Or do we want to go back to the chaos, the fear and the hate?

Another theme, power is with the people, repeated that over and over again.

It was, it was an exciting speech.

You can tell the crowd, man, they are fired up.

We do have some of the sound, I believe, if you're ready, Mr. Rich from the governor of

the great state of Minnesota.

And I know the Kamala Harris sound will be coming as well.

Well, let's start out with Tim, coach Tim, introducing Kamala Harris being on the side

of the American people, if you would please, Rich.

She took on predators, fraudsters, transnational gang members.

She stood up against powerful corporate interests, and she never hesitated, not once, to reach

across the aisle if it improved people's lives.

Coach, bringing it home, introducing the vice president, let's keep going.

Now he refers to Donald Trump, of course, mocking the laws.

He mocks our laws.

He shows chaos and division amongst the people.

And that's to say nothing of the job he did as president.

It wasn't much, much of a job there.

I know there's some of the mega out there want to rewrite the history, where we're living

in a different reality.

But to my impression, wasn't too great, Donald Trump came in, had lots of tailwind from

the previous Obama administration, and then, you know, went to do all the big, all the

tax cuts.

That's right.

The tax cuts for the rich added trillions dollars to the debt.

And of course, his mismanagement of COVID, but, you know, I digress.

Let's hear more of what governor Tim Walls has to say.

I love the story, as we talked about it yesterday, the reporting that when Walls and some of

the students try to get to like a bush rally, and they were not allowed in, because it was

discovered that they were what, they were Democrats.

He talks about his students encouraging him to run, let's play that one rich.

I never thought that much about it, but they saw in me what I was hoping to do and still

in that.

This idea of a commitment to a better world, a common good, a belief that one single

person can actually make a difference.

And contrast that with what I heard Donald Trump say in person at the 2016 RNC in Cleveland,

the American dream is dead, or whether that is inauguration.

It's so hard to tell.

It's so depressing and so fearful and so hateful.

There's no hope or optimism at all.

And it was, I've really noticed when this change was made on the Democratic side and President

Joe Biden, bowed out, selflessly knowing what was that stake.

And you see the reaction, the volunteers, thousands of volunteers, millions of dollars

raised, and the juice that just keeps coming out of this democratic party right now, it

is super exciting.

And I didn't realize until over the last, you know, maybe a couple of weeks since this

happened, how much that was missing, how much that was missing, you know, you don't,

what is Donald Trump say, oh, we're a failed nation.

You know, we suck.

Well, what kind of motivation is that, hey, hey, everybody, the world sucks.

You suck, I suck.

We all suck.

And I want to be the biggest sucker of us all, you know, it's just terrible.

There's no, no inspiration coming whatsoever from the, from the Republican side, from the

mega side.

It is literally the chaos fear and hate that the vice president, Kamala Harris references

often.

She will continue to do that a little more, a couple more from her side car, Governor Tim

Walls from Minnesota, he knows that I know it, you know, Trump sees the world a little

differently.

Donald Trump, he sees the world differently than we see it.

He has no understanding of service because he's too busy servicing himself.

I think we're taking a whole bunch of ways, I wonder how many couch jokes are going to

be coming up.

Of course, yesterday, you got to appreciate the walls, saying he can't wait to debate

JD Vance.

If that's your real name, if he ever gets off the couch, you got to, you got to at least

appreciate the minor digs.

And if you know, you know, if you didn't know, now, you know, I think we have one more

from Governor Tim Walls, let's play it.

It turns out that freedom to them means government should be free to invade your exam room with

your doctor.

Yeah, different, different definitions.

And we do have some.

Okay, let's do it.

Vice President Kamala Harris speaking today in Eau Claire, Wisconsin to a huge outdoor crowd.

Let's hear what the Vice President has to say.

Apparently, she thinks we're going to win.

Listen, let me tell you, I am clear.

The path to the White House runs right through this state.

And with your help, we will win in November.

We are going to win.

We are going to win.

We are going to win another, the common theme coming from the Vice President when we fight

we win.

We just really appreciate the effort, the message, the inspiration that she is giving

to the folks and they are eating it up.

We heard Walls talk about it.

Here is Kamala talking about taking on the big corporation.

You know, when I was Attorney General, I went after price fixing schemes.

And when I am President, it will be a day one priority to fight, to bring down prices.

I will take on big corporations that engage in illegal price gauging.

And I would mention as well today, she brought up inflation and said, hey, you know, you

can't deny it.

You go to the grocery store, you see it.

It's not acceptable.

It's going to work to bring that down.

And we've talked about a lot on this show about the greed of inflation.

You know, there's a reason why a lot of these corporations are having record profits.

Because, you know, when there's an opportunity in the market to stick it to your customers

and squeeze a few more out of their pockets.

So, I mean, if that's how you capitalism is, and it's all about the profitability and

maximizing shareholder profit, well, then that's a good thing, I guess.

But what happens?

Well, of course, when they do that, then prices go up and we end up paying more.

And you get people on the right saying, oh, my God, look at what's happening.

It's all Joe and Kamala's fault when, in reality, there is a reason why the markets

are where it's at, because they have been gouging, many of these companies have been gouging

the consumers.

I believe we have one more from the vice president, you know, Claire Wisconsin, today, what

kind of country do we want?

Let's play that one.

Do we want to live in a country of freedom, of compassion, of rule of law, or a country

of chaos, fear and hate?

And I think we have all had a little, a little too much of that.

We are joyful warriors, another theme that I really embrace.

The joy certainly has been lacking, it seems, and it's not like we don't try to bring it

on the show, man, you know, we want to have a good time.

We talk about sometimes serious, sometimes not so serious issues, you know, politics

or what they are, self-governance is a bitch, it takes time, takes effort, it takes energy

and for it to continue to stay on top of your game, you know, we need, we need some

freaking joy.

We need some of that.

And I feel like we're just getting a little bit of it.

You can't rely on other people to provide all of your joy, a lot of that comes from within,

but when you are inspired, when you hear, you know, the words that make sense to you and

something resonates with you as it does with me, with walls and Harris and having something

to push back on this mega insanity, this chaos, the fear and the hate.

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here in the swing state of Wisconsin, vice president Kamala Harris and her VP, pick governor

of Minnesota, Tim Walsh, having a huge rally outside of O'Clair, you know, Claire, I guess

I did see in the reporting about 12,000 people attended this rally, according to her campaign

and what was given to over at the Milwaukee General Sentinel, some of that reporting Harris

and Walsh holding the rally.

We knew that.

Vance also, JD Vance, remember the trolling tour of JD Vance, the beard ambition tour, the

guy liners are us to her.

Call it what you want.

He's out there in Birddogging, question mark, trolling, I don't know, following around

like a lost little puppy, the vice president Harris, apparently JD Vance was delivering

a remarks today at Wollard International and Aviation, Brown Equipment Manufacturer.

I don't know if we have any sound to that, but you know, we do, we have a little bit,

oh, let's, we should give us a moment folks, we'll get some of that JD sound, ever you're

ready for that.

It's just giving me the thumbs up.

I did also hear Vance talking today, trying to compliment my understanding, his boss, of

course, Mr. Trump, saying that Trump's got a great sense of humor.

I don't know if I've ever seen Trump laugh, he's pretty rude and then Vance goes on

to say I'm going to paraphrase, there's something like, well, he makes fun of people.

He makes fun of everybody.

He makes fun of people.

So that means he's got a great sense of humor, question mark.

We do have a few from the wannabe mega vice president.

Let's hear it.

Here were the S to say, please, Richard.

Look, I think the president obviously loves to get people nicknames and I think that he's

going to keep on doing that.

I would be shocked if it's the last nickname he gets over before the end of the election.

All the nickname, the purposeful misspelling of Kamala Harris's name, according to JD

Vance, if that's your real name, it's just a nickname.

Ah, it's a nickname, it's, it's disrespectful, of course it is.

Of course, it's, it's purposefully that is the reason, of course, he's disrespectful.

I mean, come on, man, the guy was found liable, adjudicated for rape.

Well, yeah, that's, that's a little disrespect, but we wouldn't, shouldn't be surprised that

Donald Trump is purposefully misspelling Harris's name, purposefully mispronouncing Harris's

name.

That's what he does.

We do have some more from Vance.

I believe this was at the Willard International today, eight, four, four, nine, six, seven,

two, seven, eight, nine, JD Vance, the Republican Senator from Ohio, Rich, whenever you are

ready, let's hear more on the, no, we're not ready for that yet.

Okay.

Well, let's go on, let's go down here.

Crew is going to join us as well, shortly, eight, four, four, nine, six, seven, two, seven,

eight, no.

Oh, Crew, he's on the phone.

Oh, come on, man, let's, let's hear what Crew, he has to say, Michael, welcome to the greatest

radio show ever, the Devil's Advocates.

How you doing, brother?

I'm doing excellent.

I'm here in downtown O'Claire, Wisconsin, across the street from a little pit stop by the

vice president and her new running mate, Tim Walls, they are at, let me make sure I get

this right, the local store on the corner of Dewey and Galloway Street, right across from

the Oxbow Hotel, Walls walked in with the lead singer of Bon Eiber, and it was a hell

of a show, man, about 15,000, the estimate at the rally, probably the largest rally I've

seen this year with a Democrat, and it was a hell of a party, man.

The reporting from the General Sentinel saying, 12,000, I saw some of the crowd on the

social media crew.

You looked bigger than that.

They missed a lot bigger than that.

They missed a lot bigger than that.

They missed a lot bigger than that.

They missed a lot bigger than that.

Wow, man.

And the lines, how was it getting in and out?

They were lines, they were crowds, there were lines of cars, lines of cars.

People, how was it getting in and out of there today?

Well, I can tell you, there's been some rain in the area because there's a lot of people

playing the mudder game outside the country, jamps us of grounds.

I actually gave a little push.

I was shoving a car being like five others, and I'm thinking, man, if six of us can't

push you out, lady, you need a phone truck.

There are some cars in up to their wheel wells.

There's some wetness out there in the fields.

A lot of people park it in the field.

There were cars as far as the ice could see, but Dom, it was a hell of a turnout.

And when Tim Walls took the stage, he did a shout out for Minnesota.

And I can tell you, Minnesota represented today.

There were all kinds of Minnesota in O'Clair.

And he said, it did nice when a candidate knows how to say the name of your city.

Any boy?

JD Vance also in O'Clair today, Crudy, we do have some sound.

We'll get back to that.

What was your biggest takeaway from there?

We heard some of the speech today, a lot of familiar themes being the former prosecutor,

of course, Donald Trump being the frost or those kinds of things.

Of course, the abortion issue and the chaos fear and hate versus freedom, compassion,

rule of law, continuing themes here.

What was your biggest takeaway?

Do you think the crowd responded to the most?

Well, the only thing I would say that was a little disappointing is Tim Walls didn't

roll out the JD Vance get off the couch joke again today.

He lost that one in the quiver, perhaps he'll roll it out again tonight and it's right.

But I would say he came to the stage first.

And I would say that wasn't the same staging, if you will, yesterday on the rollout.

I thought his speech was more dynamic yesterday.

I think today it kind of felt like he was playing some of the greatest tips on regards

to Tim Walls.

And I thought Kamala was excellent today.

She gave me longer speech in O'Clair today than she had done yesterday.

Obviously, she rolled out her running mate.

So today it was Tim Walls basking and then he brought Kamala to the stage man and it

was a rock show.

We are joyful warriors.

I love the terminology.

I love the inspiration that that brings.

Crudy, we do have a guest coming up.

Hopefully you will be able to join us, Charles Franklin, Marquette University Law School,

Polster extraordinaire.

They dropped that poll today.

We're going to get behind the numbers with trials and give you a little hint.

Tammy Baldwin.

Well, you know, she's up.

She's up just a teeny bit more than she was last time and the Harris Trump polling.

Well, it's better than it was under Biden, but you're going to have to stick around for

more of that more of Crudy, more of rich, more of the devil's advocates with Charles Franklin

Market University Law School polling coming up next.

The devil's advocates never personal, only politics.

And welcome back to the devil's advocates radio show Charles Franklin.

You can find him on Twitter at polls and votes.

He is the pollster for the Marquette University polling outfit.

Charles, welcome back to the devil's advocates radio show.

Good to be here.

Good to have you, my friend.

Crudy will join us as he can.

We've been dropped today.

Interesting numbers before we get into some of the details.

Times flying by Charles.

So when when was the poll taken?

It was July 24th to August 1st.

So that was beginning the Wednesday after Biden dropped out and finishing last Friday.

Almost everything was finished by Thursday.

And so that was all before Tim Walls was selected too.

Okay, so we know the time frame.

So let's talk about how is Kamala Harris doing against Donald Trump and how those numbers,

how do they compare to Joe Biden and Trump?

It's a very tight race again with registered voters.

Trump is up by 1.50 to 49, but with likely voters, Harris is up by 1.50 to 49.

When we include the third party candidates, Harris's lead is two points.

So no matter how you slice it, it's back to a close race.

I say back to because in June, it was 50.50 or 51.49 for Biden.

That was released the day before the debate.

But in this poll, we ask if Biden had stayed in, would you vote for Biden or vote for Trump?

Trump had a five point lead over Biden in that hypothetical question.

If you look at polling not done by us, but the polling averages in the state from between

the debate till the day that he dropped out.

Trump had opened up about a three, maybe three and a half point lead in the state.

So our five point Trump lead is sort of compatible with that, maybe a shade higher.

Harris has restored the very competitive race.

I think is the way to think about it.

So she brought it back to where it was prior to the big performance of President Joe Biden.

Barsen of error, Charles, what are we looking at for this particular statement?

Plus or minus 4.6 for registered voters.

Plus or minus 4.8 with likely voters.

So all these numbers within the margin of error.

Wisconsin should just not be called a swing state, but an inside the margin of error state,

because I'm doubtful that we'll ever see a five point lead this year.

Yeah, right.

What about enthusiasm?

We've talked about this before.

I've knocked it, but I've felt it now on this side, you see that rally today.

There's lots of enthusiastic people rolling out Tim Walsh yesterday.

What are you finding on the enthusiasm scale?

Again, prior to Walsh's rollout.

That is the thing that has really surged, especially among Democrats.

We had been running all year about 20 points less enthusiastic than at the same times in 2020.

And that enthusiasm gap was greatly because of Democrats not being enthusiastic.

We still had a close race because they said they'd vote for Biden, but they just weren't

enthusiastic about it.

This month we've seen a big jump in Democratic enthusiasm up about 20 points.

Now almost matching Republican levels of enthusiasm.

That's just something that I don't think we would have even seen if Biden had not had

a disastrous debate performance because he wasn't firing up the crowd.

Now with this switch to Harris, we're seeing Democrats really pumped up about it.

Sustaining that for the next 90 days until election day, that's the challenge for the campaigns.

But certainly Harris begins running on a rough par with Republican enthusiasm instead of

finding very reluctant Democrats out there.

And also not having as many volunteers, once she came into the race, volunteering for

the campaign has shot up as well.

Yeah, huge, huge numbers.

Well, what did Walsh say?

90 days, Charles Franklin, we can sleep when we're dead.

You also pulled on JD Vance before let Crudy jump in and get a crack at your Charles.

What did you find out about what people are thinking about JD Vance as Trump's vice presidential

nominee?

Yeah, there are a couple of things to say.

There's still a lot of people don't have an opinion of him.

They haven't gotten to know him, but about 25% say they don't know enough.

His net favorability is the same as Trump's, ten points more unfavorable than favorable.

So he's underwater, but he's actually not less net favorable than Trump is just a lot

more people don't know him compared to Trump.

When we asked how would you rate his selection as the vice presidential nominee among Republicans

about 75% quality, they're excellent or a good choice.

But the remaining 25% say fair or poor or they don't know.

So the party as far as that goes is pretty positive towards him.

For comparison, the people satisfied with Harris as the Democratic nominee, that's 92%.

So there, the Democratic party is really rallied around her.

The Republicans are pretty positive about Vance.

It's the independence and the Democrats who are fairly negative about him still.

Folks are listening to the devils, advocates, radio, show Charles Franklin Polster from

Market University, law school polling, find him on Twitter at polls and votes.

Cody, I'll let you get a crack in here.

Brother, go ahead, man.

If you're also doing, I just got to see not only Kamala Harris, but also her new vice

presidential pick in old Claire, and then they showed up right across the street.

And I'm pretty sure they're jamming cell signals.

So I can't hear Charles, but let me tell you, the enthusiasm, I heard you and I'm talking

about it.

The enthusiasm is really picked up amongst the Democratic side.

And we've now had this vice president, Kamala Harris, not only Launcher campaign in West

Dallas, but effectively Launcher VP, or at least bring her VP around on the very second

day, the polling obviously tight, Charles, but the race is all about the state of Wisconsin

in this blue wall.

How much do you think Tim Walls and the polling factored into the vice presidential choice?

Yeah, I think the main thing you've got to appreciate with Walls, as with most of the

others, is they're not at all well-known nationally in the little bit of polling that we have

on Walls over 60% or more say they don't know enough about him to have an opinion.

It's fairly favorable, certainly among Democrats, but this is really the case of this tour that

he's on with Harris is a chance to introduce himself to a solid majority of the public

that doesn't know anything at all about him.

We haven't pulled about him in Wisconsin, but I expect we'd see the same thing.

The one exception is over to O'Clayer and St. Croix County and up north.

You do have Minnesota TV markets that come into Western Wisconsin, so you may be better

known in St. Croix County or Hudson and up in the Duluth Superior TV market.

Well, Charles of the 15,000 approximately that I'm estimating are we're at the rally

in O'Clayer today.

When Walls took the stage, he did a shout out to Minnesota and the number of hands that

went up was amazing.

It was an amazing turn up for the state of Minnesota and the state of Wisconsin, but

Charles, let me ask you, we're about to turn to the DNC and typically there is a convention

bump.

For the RNC or the DNC, Charles, what sort of a bump might we expect still to the

Democrats have more enthusiasm to pile on with their convention here?

Yeah, I think they build on the momentum that they have so far.

I think this tour right now is one introduction of Walls, but it's also more of an introduction

to Harris too.

Staking out what her stump speech is like, what the issues are that she really wants

to emphasize, and that then rolls into the convention, which is the week of hugs and

kisses.

We saw that with the Republican convention of everybody thinking Trump had it in the

bag and praising him at that convention.

The DNC will be similar for Harris and a great chance for Walls to introduce himself

to a more national audience on television.

So I think we're looking at the next two weeks unless something goes off the rails, which

has been known to happen, it should be a real good time for the Harris campaign to ramp

those things up.

Folks, we're listening to the Devils, Advocates, Charles Franklin from Market University

Law School pulling art, Charles.

Let's get back into the state of Wisconsin.

We have a senatorial race, Eric Hubby versus a senator, Tammy Baldwin, you've been asking

the questions.

What did you find out?

Yeah, Baldwin maintains a significant lead there with registered voters, it's a seven point

lead, 53 to 46, likely voters, it's a five point lead.

And we do have two independent candidates on the ballot.

They each get 2%, and Baldwin leads that one 50 to 44.

So solid leads, not gigantic leads, not to 12 points that she won by, or 11 points in

2018, but still a solid lead.

The other thing we see is that Hubby is getting better known, the percent that don't know

enough to have an opinion has gone down from 85% a year ago to just 36%, 34% now.

But the bad news for him is his unfavorables have gone up more over the last three polls

than his favorables have gone up.

So his net favorability's gotten a little bit worse as more people have gotten to knowing.

It is true that the Senate campaign has certainly been, you know, overrun by the presidential

events of the last month or month and a half.

So I expect the Senate campaign to ramp up after the primary and after the DNC.

And how about Senator Baldwin's favorability, Charles?

She's dead even 44 favorable, 44 unfavorable.

What we've seen over the year for her is she's gone from a little more unfavorable to a little

more favorable, to closer to dead even and this time dead even, not much of a trend for

her though.

Charles, the issues, I know we've been talking a lot about abortion in this day of dobs.

I know you pulled on that as far as and other issues as well.

What are the people thinking about?

What's on top of their mind?

Yeah, when we ask, you know, what's the most important issue for you?

The economy still dominates as by far the most commonly mentioned thing.

But this time for the first time abortion is in the second space spot of most important,

very closely by just a point followed by immigration.

Democrats have said abortion was their most important problem all year long.

But independence, even though two thirds of independence are in favor of abortion rights,

independence ranked the abortion issue quite low in the hierarchy of issues.

So one of the questions about the new Harris campaign and her greater emphasis on the

issue is not that she needs to win over independence on the abortion question.

They're already largely with her on abortion rights.

But they're simply not saying it's very important to them.

So we'll see if the campaign makes any difference on that case.

Charles, we have less than two minutes left talking about the economy.

You also broke it down from the national economy to the family financial situation.

I thought that was interesting.

What did you find out?

Yeah, there's been a little bit of a growth in the percent who say the economy is doing poorly.

It's not much.

It's two to four points more saying it's poor than we're saying that a few months ago.

But on how's your family financial situation?

The percent saying they're living comfortably has come down two or three points.

The percent struggling maybe up one and just getting by has gone up a bit.

That is noticeably worse than it was prior to the pandemic.

When it was up in the mid to upper 50s saying they were living comfortably.

Now it's struggling to get to 40% living comfortably.

Charles Franklin, thank you very much.

Paul Sturter, the market university law school, Paul's crew.

You got one crew just got one.

Let me get it.

I just want to remind people we got national Poland coming from Charles tomorrow.

So we booked him again in the happier happy hour tomorrow afternoon.

We'll have all the national polling for market university and our pale Charles.

Today looking forward to it.

Yeah, thank you, Charles.

Always a pleasure, my friend.

We'll talk real quick.

Folks, we are the double savagas going to come back with some of your phone calls,

your observations as well, eight, four, four, nine, six, seven, two, seven, eight, nine.

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Welcome here, eight, four, four, nine, six, seven, two, seven, eight, nine.

I want to thank Charles Franklin, pollster extraordinaire market university law school,

polling, grab the Wisconsin polling today, national data national polling coming out tomorrow.

He will come back on the devil's advocates tomorrow to discuss that polling as well.

I'm going to crudey on the line in old Claire.

Crudey, welcome back to the show, man.

Well, thanks, dude.

I'm staring at the local store quite a scene here in downtown,

old Claire as the presidential campaign took a little detour and stopped right here on

our corner and had some surely secret service guys.

I'll admit it.

Move along.

I'm like, I want here.

This is my hotel.

I got a room.

So anyways, I stuck, I was taking it out from the sidewalk outside, but they effectively

shut down all the roads in downtown, old Claire.

And as I was leaving this rally, damn, and again, a well attended rally about 15,000,

I would estimate and cars as far as the I could see is I'm driving through downtown

old Claire.

I'm like, why aren't the cops leaving?

There are so many damn police officers, state patrol everywhere, every block is still

blocked off.

What is going on?

Well, little did I know down they had a little detour planned and they were heading down

to the art apparel books and things store, the local store right here in downtown, old

Claire, and the lead singer for Bonniper, he ought to be there with Tim Walls and Bonavir,

my bad.

I heard him sing today.

First time I ever was Eddie Bonavir concert was early today down.

It's got a hell of a voice, sort of high register.

I can't sing like that, but he was here and lots of press came pouring out of the mortar

key and they weren't in there for more than five or ten minutes.

Well, it's been a lot of time on the sidewalk, waving at people and Kamala Harris, they moved

the vice president with a lack routine in and out of the car.

They kept her moving, man, you know, trying to keep her safe and all that sort of stuff.

Lots of excitement we talked to Charles Franklin about the enthusiasm.

I mean, that has skyrocketed under this new this new candidacy of the vice president.

The survey conducted from what July 24th to August 1st.

So right after Joe Biden dropped out of the race, but obviously before we found out who

the side car, who the vice presidential pick would be now governor Tim Walls yet any

take away, Cody, you can affirm the enthusiasm.

What do you think is going to happen when he comes around and finally does another poll?

Now we have two vice presidential candidates and two presidential candidates to go side

by side on what's your expectation?

I'm not sure if Tim Walls will move the polling significantly.

You know, as Charles mentioned, in some of the out markets in this part of the state,

not here in Western Wisconsin, I'm in O'Clair, but the Minneapolis media market effectively,

I mean, two or three of the stations we play out on in Amory, Wisconsin, Baldwin, Wisconsin,

all the way up to Hayward, Wisconsin.

Many of those are considered Minneapolis out markets.

So that means when they turn on the evening news, they're getting the biking score and

they're getting news from across the river in Minnesota.

So it's probably logical to assume that there is awareness of Tim Walls.

There was more than a rooting interest at that rally for Tim Walls today.

A lot of Minnesotans cross the river to come see them.

But what I would say is, you know, I think we all like to cheer for the local boy.

You know, he is, and they're not calling it, they're basically saying, you know, the

candidacy, the victory, the presidency, all of a sudden it goes through the Midwest.

And at prayer rallies, everyone's talking about all of us in Wisconsin, it goes through

Michigan, it goes through Pennsylvania, well, you know, Minnesota is a pretty safe state.

But when you want to glam them all in, sort of big tennis style, it's the presidency

goes through the Midwest because really it's about Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, and pardon me,

Michigan and Minnesota Trump, Trump would like to think they're in play, but they're not in play.

Well, it's not just the presidency, of course, they're trying to hold on to the Senate,

Tammy Baldwin, leading Havvy, according to market among likely voters, 52 to 47.

Now, that's slightly outside of the margin of error.

But I love the favorability, man, the more you get to know Eric Havvy, the more you don't like

him. As people got to know Havvy, according to the polling, more of them went over to the

unlikeable side, the unfavorability side than favorability. I'm not sure he can make that up on volume.

Well, and in some way, it is also the Baldwin campaign that's helping shape the image of Havvy.

This guy's really about a very good candidate. Did you see him at the slinger? Speedway,

he tried to do the plunge of allegiance, do a little speechifying. I mean, this guy leaves you

wanting, and he is, of course, Trump endorsed it this late hour, but as you pointed out more

than once, when the guy rolled out his campaign video, didn't bother to mention the fact he's

running from the state of Wisconsin. Something of a political faux pas, if you will.

Perhaps a faux pas or he just doesn't give a damn folks. We are the devil's advocates radio show.

We got crudey on the horn. He's going to stick with us into the happy hour. We got rich working

the board. We do have some sound of Kamala Harris. I believe we'll have some sound of her today

as well. Perhaps an additional sound of her vice presidential pick governor from Minnesota,

Tim Walls. Of course, your take your thoughts on what's going on in Wisconsin, man. Everything

it comes up Wisconsin is rolling through Wisconsin. The presidential roll through Wisconsin. Hell

the Senate. Got to hold on to the Senate. You need Tammy Baldwin in there for a third term.

There is a lot going on and make sure you stick around in the four o'clock, 430 Rebecca Cook. She

is a Democratic candidate for Wisconsin's third congressional district, the campaign, her campaign,

the Katrina Shankling campaign is getting a little chippy out there. We're going to get inside

with her. Talk about that campaign and the third CD. Regardless of who comes out of there,

Derek Van Orden's got to hit the road. Folks, we are the devil's advocates. We're not

hitting the road. We're coming right back 844-9672. Come on, man, hit the road today.