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And now here's your host, Dom and Crout.
Welcome to the Devil's Advocate's Radio Show Monday down, back to work, little buddy.
Hey, pretty happy Monday to you, Aaron.
Working the board rich out today.
Thank you, Aaron.
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Dom, I've really only had two pieces of advice I've ever given you in life.
One, don't wear flip flops, and I'm telling you, buddy, I just, I don't think you've ever
seen me in flip flops, but I am wearing sandals today, open-toed sandals, like full
Jesus style sandals, have gone completely against every bit of good advice I've ever
given you, because I've always said flip flops prepare you for nothing that life could
ruin you.
Continue to be wrong, you can get naked so much faster when you wear flip flops versus
having to what untie your shoelaces, come on, man, well, Dom, I remember why I give
that advice.
I've nearly lost a toe.
I mean, these super sturdy barstools they've got for, you know, the big guys that occasionally
broadcast here just dropped one on my toe immediately before we went out of the air, almost
lost a toe.
Yeah, that's the sympathy I get.
You can't work on your tan lines on your feet if you don't wear flip flops, man, I'm
just telling you, I will never, I make this pledge, I will never wear flip flops again.
This will be a vivid memory for me of crushed toe and why you don't wear flip flops in
life.
Now, are they flippy floppies or are they like sandals sandals, okay, so you don't have
like the between the toe or no, no, no, do you have a heel support?
No, there's no strap around the heels.
No, double across the the bridge of my foot or whatever it's called the long part of
the foot.
See, you do have to be a little more coordinated and careful when you wear the flip flops.
Of course, I wear flip flops all the time, all the time as often as I can, as long as
I can.
I think I started wearing them about, I don't know, March, April, and I'll go until probably
November, you know,
Snow's needy pretty much right here's my other piece of advice for you and really anyone
that can hear the sound of my voice right now.
Don't be a frickin weirdo.
Oh, man.
Don't wear flip flops.
Don't be a weirdo.
I'll accept one of those as sage advice.
The other one, not so much.
Don't be a weirdo.
These Republicans, they default beyond fascism and a really weirdness and the Harris campaigns
call it a mountain.
This is the new descriptor they use quite often.
I think Tim Walls, the governor of Minnesota, said it first, but it's kind of stuck and
it's kind of true.
Well, that's why it's stuck because it is true.
They are the frickin weird band.
The new VP, JD Vance, well, VP nominee, Vance, we're, we'll see, we're stuff follow.
I mean, did anyone do what he vetting up this guy?
Did you Google his name?
Did you do anything Trump campaign before you selected this?
Yeah, only did man.
Peter the old finance.
Oh, that's all the further they got.
And apparently the, the boys, the Trump boys, they, they see JD Vance sort of as a frat
dude sort of buddy in law.
That was my understanding.
I'm not actually close with the Trumps.
And of course, Trump, Trump's weird, Trump's a weird dude talking about sharks and electrocutions,
all kinds of weird stuff, animal, lector, the lead gridhead of the lector.
He's a weird guy.
You're right here.
Or own backyard time.
You pointed it out to me.
You know, it was really frickin weird.
Glenn growth.
Yeah.
Kind of.
Yeah, that cast weird.
He's certainly weird.
You wouldn't want to hang out with him beyond the course of the picnic.
You know what I mean?
Like, you don't stick around to hear what sort of war stories he might tell after a dozen
beers.
At least I wouldn't.
That might.
No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
I mean, definitely weird.
But I do, I do love weird people, though, I mean, it's not that, I don't want to say,
you know, being weird is wrong.
But there's, there's just the weird kind of weird, man.
They're out there weird and weird in their own special way.
Weird.
Yeah, man.
Yeah.
They're weird.
They're weird.
I mean, think about the things Glenn growthman has said.
The massage andistic things, right?
Same thing with Vance, man.
You know, they're single catalogs.
You got nothing.
You have no skin in the game if you don't have kids.
I mean, what, I mean, that's a, that's a weird thing to say.
They are weird.
It's a great term.
But I, I don't know, I, I like strange people.
Man, it makes the world interesting, but there's just a different kind of weird.
Dave Zweifel over at the cap times.
Characterizes JD Vance slightly differently.
Liars now have complete control of the GOP.
Oh, yes, they do.
Then you see a picture of JD Vance down at the R&C, um, uh, he writes, I have the Center
for Media and Democracy to thank for reminding me just how much clout the election deniers
continue to weld in Donald Trump's campaign for the presidency.
Trump, of course, hasn't let up one bit in his insistence that Joe Biden or some
devious and unknown members of the dark state cheated him out of winning the 2020 presidential
election, even though every conceivable investigation of that election shows that his claims
are nothing more than blatant lies.
The pity is so many people still believe them.
And Trump's election deniers were there and forced during the Milwaukee Republican convention.
CMD reminds us, helping their idol keep the lie alive, living the lie down, even though
four years and dozens of court cases and investigations say otherwise.
CMD reported that with the selection of election denier extraordinaire, JD Vance is the
vice presidential candidate.
The liars have effectively taken over at the Republican party.
Oh, they certainly have.
Crudy plus at least 16 delegates invited to the convention had signed fraudulent electoral
college documents in their states in an attempt to subvert the official counting of the ballots
on January 6th, the day Trump urged his followers to head down to the US Capitol.
Remember, we'll be wild.
Vance was once a never-trumper, but reversed course and on entering the 2020 Senate race
in Ohio, when he decided he needed Trump's endorsement to have a chance to win the Republican
nomination.
He suddenly became an outspoken supporter of the then president and a spokesperson for
Trump's big lie.
Like Trump, people claim that people voted illegally on a large scale basis and spread
other conspiracy theories about the election earlier this year.
He told an ADBC interviewer that if he had been vice president on January 6th of 2021,
he would not have certified the election results.
He's made it clear that he's one of those politicians without principle, taking whichever
side will further his ambitions.
Let's remember, though, that there's a method to all this madness.
It's all aimed at setting the stage for to once again claim election fraud should the
Trump Vance ticket lose this fall.
And a whole host of election deniers, this time backed by dozens of lawyers who have
been foraging a strategy to exploit every possible angle, are getting ready to invalidate
a free American election.
They indeed have taken over the Republican Party days, we full rights at the cap time.
So, I got to tell you, man, the CMD bringing this up four years and dozens of court cases
and investigations saying that no, the election was not stolen, yet they continue on with
this.
It continues to talk about it to this day.
I mean, that's the frickin' weird, man.
No, you're wrong, you're wrong, it's not true, you're own will, tells you it wasn't true.
Man, your own cats, you did a ret count, Trump, you lost more votes in Milwaukee and
Dane County than when they initially did the count.
You are wrong, sir, and not all these sick offense, sell up these weirdos.
Oh, yeah, yeah, it was stolen, it was a election fraud on a massive scale.
But just because you say it, you frickin' weirdos, doesn't make it true.
What PT Barnum saved suckers born every day, well, I don't think it's weird.
I don't think it's weird.
I think it's a big grift, I think the election did nihilism, was a grift for Donald Trump.
It inspired his base, got them to open up these small dollar tonations to the tunes of hundreds
of millions of dollars over years, right?
Because he never stopped running on the thought, it was rigged, I was robbed, and I'm going
to need some of your money to go prove it.
Yeah, how'd that go?
How many hundreds of millions of dollars did Donald Trump spend investigating this stolen
election?
Zero?
He put it on his pocket.
And certainly, and we knew it, you know, going into the election, we heard Donald Trump
during COVID, obviously.
If we had, if everybody got a ballot in the middle, the Republicans would never win another
election again, you know, and telling us, don't GOP, don't do that, you'll show up on
the day, don't, don't vote early, well, of course, now they have these competing messages
and battles of whether or not they should or they shouldn't, what do you do?
What do you do?
So, okay, yeah, I get it, Trump's a hustler, he's a carnival barker, he's all about
putting money in his pocket.
That's weird, man.
And just, you know, people like JD Vance and Glenn Groatman, the Republican base believed
that?
If you're, if you're looking around the Roma and who the sucker is in the GOP and you
don't know who it is, it's probably you, you're freaking weirdos.
How do you believe what credibility is the guy like Trump have on this issue?
Zero, yet you continue to fork over money to this guy, because he's what, telling you
who to hate, telling you, telling you what to believe when all the facts are against him.
I don't know what you call that, man, it's just weird.
I can't explain it.
I mean, if you said you're pretty and told me lie after life, your life, your life
for a year, if a year, if a year, man, eventually your credibility would suffer with me, man.
Where is the reaction to that?
There is none.
That's weird.
Might have to backpedal, clean up some stuff.
Here's an interesting point.
Donald Trump's campaign, according to Bloomberg, raised more than $250 million after the
November 2020 election, after he's no longer the candidate, is part of the purported effort
to stop the steal and combat election fraud.
But most of the funds were diverted for other purposes, according to the House January
6th committee report, shocker, isn't it?
That's weird.
Weird, the money didn't actually go for anything other than Trump's personal enrichment.
Huh.
Trump.
Strange how that works like this seems to work like that often for Trump, says something
for something, and he puts it in his pocket, you know, think like Trump University or Trump's
business in New York, for example.
Trump airplanes, Trump steaks, Trump vodka, there's a lot of them.
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Tom, I've got an insider coming in studio next.
He is Chuck Walla.
He was the former Senate Majority Leader in the great state of Wisconsin.
He's a friend of mine, Dom, and we're going to go inside the new legislative races, new
maps, primary of what, two weeks from tomorrow, almost set of voting starts tomorrow.
We're in primary season, folks.
I mean, here it is.
Welcome to it and never ends.
It never ends.
And there are some constitutional referendums on the ballot, August 13th, partisan primary,
first time in Wisconsin's history.
We're going to have Batman later in the week.
Dom, he's going to come in studio and tell us why he thinks we should vote no on the
constitutional amendments.
But let me tell you a quick story.
Tom to Burlington, Iowa this weekend and the occasion was a family reunion.
I had been invited to by DNA dad, Chuck, you met Chuck during the pandemic.
My wife got me an ancestry DNA kit and like a year later through a little bit of math
and a few phone calls, one of his nephews sort of threw Chuck under the bus and said,
I think it's Chuck.
So anyways, I eventually got in touch with Chuck.
And he called me back the very first day I ever reached out to him.
And it turns out Chuck's got a few strays, like two, three of us around the upper Midwest.
Apparently the summer of love, very active in 1969, the whole year, very active for DNA
daddy Chuck.
So back for a little bit of Chuck.
Well, apparently he was back from Vietnam and so on some wild oats.
But anyways, he invited me to a family reunion and I said, okay, you know, you know, it's
four hours away, but okay, okay, I'll come.
Not my family.
My family's not coming.
They got stuff better to do, but I'll go meet some DNA cousins and stuff.
So anyways, I get in the car, Saturday morning, relatively early, you know, it's going to be
a four hour drive.
I get there across the state line, didn't make my normal stop at the very first exit going
into Illinois, but I did make a stop a little farther down the road.
And for my friends that like to, you know, go visit the border, I would tell you, it might
be worth the extra 20 minutes to rock for five minute weight.
Sometimes it's like going to a Walmart on a busy Saturday morning, could be an hour
or 90 minutes in South Illinois.
It's a legal weight on Illinois.
Yeah.
I say, that's what I was doing, but sure enough, that's what what I was doing.
Anyway, as I figured, I was spending some, spending my day in Illinois, you know, might need
to, might need to be in the right mindset to go meet some cousins or whatever.
So I leave there and this is still pretty early.
It's like 10 o'clock.
I'm already down in Rockford and call Chuck and say, hey, I'm on the way.
Good answer.
But I leave my message.
Hey, I'm on the way.
So I'm like two and a half hours away.
So I get down to this park, Crapo Park in Burlington, Iowa, and I crossed the bridge
from Illinois.
Came down on the Illinois side, obviously, and I'd seen a comedian at the Northern Wisconsin
State Fair, the guy that opened up for Charlie Barrens has a whole song about don't get stuck
in Peoria, Illinois, like you're going to get stuck on the side of the road.
Never city in America.
They will leave you stuck.
Nobody's going to help you.
You better, you better call a tow truck because nobody's coming to your aid in Peoria.
That was the whole nature of the guy's song because apparently had a bad experience down
in the same neck of the woods.
So I get all the way to Burlington, Iowa, Crapo Park and it's got more Crapo, it was,
it was spelled Crapo, C R A P O Crapo, a Crapo, I just assumed it was Crapo Park.
But what do I know?
So I called Chuck and I'm like, hey, I've bumped into a family reunion, but they're all
wearing matching t-shirts and they're like the right a little Heizlers or something.
They're not, they're not Stevens's.
So where are you guys at?
Oh, that's not till tomorrow morning.
I've driven four hours for an event that's tomorrow morning.
He said, you aren't staying over and I said, no, no, can't, can't do that.
Got some stuff back in Wisconsin tomorrow, got to take care of.
Oh, he thought I was staying over.
He came down on a day early.
So, you know, here's the only good news.
I spent time with him and his new wife, you know, he became a widower after 45 years
and got a new love, Rosie.
So Rosie's keeping him young and he's got like a old man mullet now.
He's grown and out like in the back.
He's got like a, he does live in rural Tennessee now, Whitesburg, some, what an appropriate
name place.
And oh, yes.
You want to fall business in the front party in the back and he lives in Appalachia.
I mean, there's mountains in the backyard.
He is literally an Appalachia.
And so anyways, I see a chalk, I see Rosie and she's a former banker, Buckeye, try not
to hold that against her.
Yeah, I was going to say, you know, you love the Ohio State University.
She is not a fan of the JD Vance.
She's a good smart woman, married my DNA daddy, all the same.
But anyways, Rosie, not a fan of, of, of JD Vance.
Certainly she's going to vote for Kamala Harris.
But the question becomes, oh, so I met him for dinner, I had to go drive like 45 minutes
to go meet him and I hung out with, you know, he introduces, now this is my sister.
Well, he doesn't talk like a sudden or too much.
He said, this is my sister, Mary Ann's boy, Todd never even struck me for like the two
hours we sat there and had drinks and whatever.
Well, that means we're first cousins, right?
They're cousin.
He didn't introduce me as, hey, this is one of your first cousins.
So anyways, I enjoyed their company for a couple of hours.
We had a very leisurely dinner, pork chop sandwich, fries.
Five bucks, gimpies on 150 and, and Gillsburg, Illinois, right.
But I drove four hours to not go to a family reunion.
And then, and then, as I'm driving back, my son calls me, oh, yeah, mom said, don't
go to the house, go straight to the lake.
That's like 90 more minutes.
So was the invitation wrong or did you, you know, hit too much of the Illinois product
and read it wrong?
I think I got it wrong.
But when I called Chuck and I said I was on the way, I think Chuck just assumed, rather
than correcting me and saying, it's tomorrow, you've only wasted an hour, go home.
I think, I think Chuck was under the misimpression.
I was coming down the alley, hanging out, you got hanging out with, with DNA, daddy,
and then he went back home.
You did not go down the next day for the reunion?
I did not.
And I can tell you, at this point, Chuck's moved from the Trump cow.
Undecided, at least he's claiming in front of the broad breath, wife that supports
comedy.
Come back.
We've got to find guest he is Chuck Kuala, an insider, friend of mine, Ford Neville's.
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We'll see how weird it gets up in here.
Got to find guest who's joined me here in the WMDX studios.
He is Chuck Kuala, former Senate Majority Leader, great state of Wisconsin.
Chuck, welcome back to the devil's advocates.
Thanks, man.
I'm very excited, Chuck, not, not so much about the fact we got a partisan primary in
August 13th, because all the important stuff, perhaps, has been decided.
Although I understand there's a constitutional, a couple of constitutional, referendum,
a summer partisan primary ballot that has to be authored by Republicans, of course.
Of course.
And that's why I have a vote no sign in my yard.
And unfortunately, people were coming around to the doors and saying, hey, this isn't good.
This is going to keep the governor from being able to distribute disaster relief funds.
The Republicans always want to meddle in.
And this is certainly not something that should be handled through a constitutional amendment,
anyway.
So vote no, August 13th.
Chuck, we've got new maps, fair maps in the state of Wisconsin, and suddenly we've got
very competitive primaries, especially here in our backyard.
I live in Dane County, you live in Dane County.
I may move eventually, but I live here right now and Chuck, this county has got all sorts
of democratic races.
And if you win the primary in August 13th, in most cases, you are the new state elected,
right?
That is correct.
You know, probably the biggest race, if you're looking at it as my old senate district, the
16th senate district, where you have three column, three state representatives each running
for that senate district.
And so you've got Melissa Radcliffe, you've got Jimmy Anderson, and you've got Samba Balda,
all running for that senate seat.
They were three reps, which of course opens up three seats and creates the largest primary,
which is in the 48th assembly district, which is also was my assembly district.
Melissa Radcliffe, really hard worker, she just won an assembly seat, running away in
a democratic primary two years ago.
Jimmy Anderson has been around for a while, tragic story, but a wonderful, a man who had
family members killed in a car accident, and he is a paraplegic, in fact, he has a,
his thing is, I sit with Jimmy, and he's been endorsed by a couple of people, so that's
a big race.
And then when you get down to, you know, Melissa Radcliffe and Samba Balda on the east side
and Sun Prairie left, and that left a district where there are five, count them five Democrats
running, not no woman, just guys.
And in that race, Andrew Heisel, who's been endorsed by Kilda Roy's, Melissa, or, you
know, Melissa, the other Melissa in the race, who's going to be our county executive,
Melissa Agar, and then you've got several other people in the ballot there, one at
Alder, one on a county board supervisor in Sun Prairie, it's a Sun Prairie based district.
So you can see that as things change with Melissa Agar leaving for the county exec position,
and I expect she will win that primary, and that's a primary as well.
You see then that those people from the assembly moving up to the Senate, and then assembly
races below that.
And Diane Heiselbine from Middleton, she is the new Senate minority leader at this time.
Yes.
To be clear, those of us that have big aspirations for the Dems, perhaps winning back the Senate,
probably not going to happen this time, because only half of these senators are on the ballot.
And I believe Diane was one of the plaintiffs and was more than willing to run again in Middleton,
but that's not to be his it.
Yeah.
Realistically, even as a big Dem Booster, of course, as I am, the Democrats are not going
to win the Senate there, hopefully going to get to 15 seats with the opportunity to win
three more seats the next go around.
And I think that's there's a good chance that will happen.
But they have to win basically over two years, they have to win at least six out of seven seats.
And by the way, for those of you who are in Dane County thinking about this, one of those
seats, although there's not a primary, but that's a good thing.
Sarah Kieske is a wonderful person, I've met her.
She works in the mental health area up in Columbia County.
That district comes all the way down into DeForest, and actually a little bit of the East
side of Madison, over by Easttown, and also has Columbia and Sock County.
She's going to be running against John Baldwin, who's been in the legislature, but is very
much an anti-choice.
And I think with reproductive rights, this year, it's such a big issue.
She's only, Baldwin has only been in 30 some percent of that district.
I think that Sarah Kieske has a great opportunity to win.
And to be honest with you, I don't want to diss my good friends that are running in other
districts.
But if there's one person to give to who's running in Dane County, give to Sarah Kieske,
because that race is critical for the Democrats, not this time, but next time, getting the majority.
Folks, you are listening to the Devils, Advocate's Radio Show.
We got an insider, a friend of mine.
He is Chuck Kuala, attorney at law, former Senate Majority Leader, the Democratic Senate
Majority Leader, Chuck, what other races before we move beyond Dane County?
What other races should we be paying attention to, and perhaps picking a favorite in because
we might have to go vote on them?
Well, again, if you're a more rural part of Dane County, look at the 40th assembly district.
There is actually a former speaker of the assembly.
His son is running, Kyle Kienke, against Karen DeSanto and Brad Cook.
And they're all three good candidates.
But the question here is, is it going to be the same thing that happened way back when
with Tammy Baldwin, two boys, one girl?
And the reality is, if you have two guys running in one woman and reproductive rights being
a big issue, is that going to become a dominant force?
But I know that all three of these are really good strong candidates.
We touched a little bit on the 48th here.
That's the five-person race.
Andrew Heizel here, he's an attorney, he's been endorsed by, we act, he's been endorsed
by Melissa A. Garter, he's been endorsed by Kelder Royes.
I think he's got a leg up, he ran two years ago in this district.
And those sort of endorsements, Chuck, they're pretty influential in these primaries.
That's a really good point.
I think that endorsements don't make a great deal of difference in general elections.
I think in primaries what they do, if somebody's getting a lot of endorsements and he's
gotten five labor unions and a couple of leaders, two sitting state senators, including the
district that he's in, I think that runs more credibility to the person because people
don't know who are these other people and what are they doing.
Now one of them is on the county board.
Another guy used to be on the city council.
There's another guy whose family name is well known around there, every rank.
But I do think that these endorsements do make a difference in primaries.
And by the way, just to point out again on endorsements, Jimmy Anderson is actually endorsed
by Kelder Royes.
Chuck, let me ask you with regards to the national ticket, obviously vice president Harris,
now at the top of that ticket, lots of money being raised, lots of people signing up, registering
to vote, people are very motivated.
How does that and does it, do you think trickle down into these local primaries?
If you have people that much more engaged over the last couple of weeks, do you think that's
going to have an impact?
I really do.
I think that the biggest problem for Democrats as far as going to be people who just didn't
show up to vote, especially young people, especially people who felt they were the double
haters.
They hated Trump and they hated Biden for different reasons.
I don't know if they hated Biden.
They just didn't feel he was ready to do the job for another four years.
I've already talked with like Diane Hasselbein.
There's nobody who will have their finger on the polls more than a legislative leader.
And I've also talked with Greta Nubar.
They say the enthusiasm and the change both in donations, but also in volunteer activity,
it's sort of has just been amazing.
I have to admit, I was surprised that there was this much energy generated by this, but
everyone I talked to on the Democratic side, including those people who are down at the
district level, are saying this is making a huge difference.
And I could see this going from a year where Republicans were predicting a major red wave,
and I could not have disagreed.
And in some private conversations, I mean, I said to people, this is not good.
I think we could actually have a very strong Democratic here this year.
But the dynamic is obviously changed rapidly.
But how much of this is a honeymoon as the Trump campaign immediately came out the
Monday that Kamala basically won the nomination, got the delegates.
They were already saying, you know, this is the Kamala honeymoon, but it'll be over quickly.
99 days is pretty quick, but also a lifetime in politics.
Chuck, can she ride this crest for 99 days?
Certainly the knives will be out for her, but so far they've done a terrible job.
They've thrown the kitchen sink at her, and nothing seemingly is stuck so far at least.
Well, I would expect what's going on right now, is they're doing a lot of polling to
figure out what will stick.
And so you're going to see some new ads that'll be run against, I'm sure.
And I've already seen some immigration ads, I'm sure you're going to see something
about that.
Although, by the way, on immigration, the thing, if you're a Democrat or a progressive
talking to a Republican, say, Joe Biden, there's no border.
Remind them that they had an agreement with one of the most conservative Republican senators
to change this and make it right for our country.
And Donald Trump said, no, no, no, I don't want to fix the problem.
I want an issue to run on.
And if you really want to secure border, that ought to be enough reason to vote against
Donald Trump and anybody else in it.
That is an outrageous thing to do to hurt our own country in order to make your political
situation better.
But as to whether or not she can ride the wave, very good question.
I think you have a couple of things that are actually going to help us.
First of all, she's going to get the name of VP.
And all the people they're talking about for VP are going to be really good, strong people
and are going to contrast beautifully with JD Vance, who is not coming across well.
And as you point out, even though they're throwing the kitchen sink against Kamala, the
whole story has been about JD Vance and what an awful candidate he is.
And oh my gosh, the stuff he says, almost as bad as that guy that the guy running against
Tammy Baldwin, who my gosh, he can't seem to get out of his own way.
And then on top of that, what you have is after you name the VP and they've got this
all right.
Then they go to the convention and instead of having this brawl that at a minimum, most
of us thought, well, you know, with Biden gone, there's going to be a brawl and it's
going to be ugly.
But hey, this is just, instead they're going to come in united, excited, love fest, love
fest, all sorts of great speakers.
That's going to be another boost form.
So then what changes the dynamics of the race?
Well, you know, if Biden were still the candidate, you'd have the 100 Biden trial that's
coming up in September.
And it's not going to be the trial where people can say, well, you know, either in your
own family or some neighbors family or relative family, somebody had a drug problem.
That was one thing.
But this one's going to be about taxes and tax evasion.
That's not going to be something that people are going to relate to.
But Kamala doesn't get that.
That's not her.
That's a personal family thing.
It's even tangential, I think, from Joel.
So we've got these things that will boost her.
And then I don't think that we've really hit, again, we've talked about this before
me.
I think that we're going to see a huge push on reproductive rights.
And I think Democrats are just waiting because people, women are so angry about this.
I don't think people want to have that ramped up for four months.
But I think in September and October, I think you're going to see that become a big focal
point.
You know, right now people say, well, if you do look at the polling, it's my immigration.
Yeah.
But the polling to some extent reflects what's being discussed.
And as soon as reproductive rights is back on the table, I know this is a sausage fest
here that we've got.
But basically, when you get women in the room, you can just see it's palpable.
They know this is on the line.
We've got to go after it.
Well, in the RNC, I mean, they didn't bring it up, Chuck, at all.
I mean, abortion, they changed the platform and they didn't mention it at all, of course,
down the Trump very proud of the fact that he's the one, you know, he appointed these
justices.
Three justices.
Roby Wade and I'm the guy, but they didn't bring it up at all in Milwaukee.
And that tells you exactly they know that they've got to avoid and there's no way that
they can avoid it.
And the story of the 10 year old girl who changed an abortion has been raped.
The story of the woman who has twins and they have to take out the one that's dead in
order for her to live and for the other one to live.
Oh, my God.
The stories.
And what do they tell you?
They tell you one thing.
Women should make these decisions, not some guy and some legislature.
What do you think about Joe Biden's proposal earlier today, an op-ed at the Washington Post,
about term limits on the Supreme Court on effectively putting in a recusal code, a recusal
code with teeth.
And I think above and beyond that, perhaps a constitutional amendment.
The king is not the, the president is not the king.
Chuck, as issues in an elective cycle, obviously, Joe Biden, he's not the front and center anymore,
but he in his lame duck presidency has a lot of power to affect policy.
What do you think about these propositions?
You know, I actually like, especially the situation with term limits.
I mean, I just think that Supreme Court justice issue, you know, the reason we don't have
that in there, people think, well, the forefathers, they knew everything.
No, they didn't know that people are going to have health care so that they can live
into their 90s.
Do we really want people living into their 90s being on the Supreme Court?
No, we don't.
And I think that it would be appropriate to have them out with a very good pension because
you don't want them looking over their shoulder at whatever the age of 65 and saying, oh, I
need to get another job.
But you can see what we've never had, what we've got right now with Clarence Thomas and
Alino getting huge massive amounts of money for vacations and a motor home and, you know,
that the motor home is given and then the loan that was on the motor home is free.
And something about buying off mom's house for her, that seems brought his way through
the house.
I mean, these are outrageous things.
We've never, you know, politics is a strong back and forth, but we've never had this
with the Supreme Court.
It has to stop.
It has to stop.
Yes, he's Chuck Wala.
He's an insider.
He's the former Senate Majority Leader, great state of Wisconsin.
I want to turn our attentions, Chuck, back to the state of Wisconsin.
We got some competitive congressional primaries.
And we're going to ask you how weird is Glenn growth, man.
You must have served with Glenn.
The guy was in the state legislature forever.
I'll tell you about my ride with Glenn growth.
Well, let's come back right with Glenn and Chuck Wala and the devil's advocates right
here, more on the other side.
I would have gotten away with it, too, if it wasn't for those meddling devil's advocates.
Welcome back to these devil's advocates, radio show.
Thank you for listening.
Chuck Kuala, former Senate Majority Leader here in the great state of Wisconsin, joining
us in the Madison studios.
Chuck, the means about the Republicans being weird, they're great, they're entertaining.
I think it's true.
It doesn't necessarily mean it's effective.
What's your take at this point?
I'll tell you some of them are hard ducks.
I'll never forget.
Congressman Glenn growthman is a case point.
Case in point.
I'll never forget after one of the budgets that we had done.
I picked up Glenn.
I don't know how this happened, but he and I end up giving him a ride like to the Capitol
and we're in the car, not that long.
I don't know what the deal was.
Maybe we were coming back from some event and these are in the days when you would ride
with each other and so I'm talking to him and Glenn, the budget was over.
He said, I can't believe how my guys gave everything away to you.
Everything went your way.
We had done fine, but there has to be compromise and it's not like his people were just novices
at this or whatever and it was just it's all part of Glenn's view of a win is a right
wing day and there are probably some stories that I can't even tell, but Glenn, I am amazed
that Glenn is in Congress and continues to say, you know, some remarkable things out
there.
I have to admit.
Take us back to the 1960s.
Glenn wants to.
Oh, yes.
Oh, no, no, no.
The 1950s.
Let's get it right here.
The 1950s.
60s is too recent.
The little rights happened in the 60s, right?
Our fine guest Chuck Kuala, Chuck, I know you're an insider and I know that you pay attention.
You know, I kind of live for this stuff myself.
Let's talk about the congressional races here in the state of Wisconsin.
The fight in third, Derek Van Orden, talk about weird.
This guy has had the weirdest running Congress.
This side of Lauren Bulbert.
Oh, Glenn growth was so happy that Van Orden is in because no longer is he the guy who
is off the rails.
I mean, the guy, you know, you know, there are just multiple stories.
He, first of all, he lashes out in one of the Biden speeches, but everybody kind of expected
that.
In fact, I even was thinking I bet he'll be a guy who will, who will say something, even
though it's the most inappropriate thing to do, never did that to Tommy.
By the way, the first thing that Republicans do after speech like this is they go after
the president.
I want you to know that I purposely after every Tommy Thompson state of the state speech,
I would always make the first thing I would say about the governor to be something positive.
Well, we agree with the governor next.
Why?
Because he's a hell of a drinker.
There has to be something that you can find that's common ground, and I think it's important
for our democracy.
But Van Orden, he's yelling at young people, laying down, taking pictures in the rotunda
of the capital, doing something because they're near the end of their time.
He's yelling at these people.
And I think, you know, there are rumors about what his condition was when he did that.
It's not just one.
I mean, one or two things have been, but it's just multiple stories about this guy.
And there are two people running, Rebecca Cook and Katrina Shanklin, who are running
for in the, in the primary to feed our, and I'll tell you, if we have a good year in Wisconsin,
there's a very good chance that we can get that CPAC.
It's, it's gotten tougher because of the way that we've gotten polarized and the way
that rural Wisconsin has stepped back from, from Democrats, you know, which, and we need
to address that as Democrats.
But I think there's a very good chance that we can win it.
And that's not the only seed in play.
The first district with Peter Barker, Peter Barker and I were the, were in the legislature
together.
And when I had moved to the Senate, Peter, and I put forward a proposal to increase the
minimum wage, Peter has done some marvelous things since then.
He is, by the way, he is one of the most, people should really look at Peter as a hero.
He is a guy who was the, every vote was, but his vote, along with other votes, his
was the last vote they needed in order to get the Clinton budget passed, which actually,
you know, reduced.
When he was in Congress, when he was in Congress, prior, he gave up his seat.
He gave up his seat because he gasped that vote.
He knew that he was putting himself at risk.
That's the kind of courage that you want to see.
That's the kind of guy you want to see back in Congress and Peter Barker.
Peter Barker, we know him well as the assembly minority leader as the Department of Revenue
Chair.
Well, I guess it's not a chair secretary.
Yeah.
Yes.
Some title.
We don't, we're not big on titles around here, Chuck.
But Barker is very exciting, and we know him, and I think he's a serious candidate, but
the one that's really got me intrigued is in the 8th CD, Kristen Leierley, especially
when you compare the very extremist primary going on.
I was up in the, in the eighth briefly over the weekend, and I was, I saw Leierley sign,
and I took that big sign, saw that as a good thing.
But then I saw Trump endorse Tony Weed, and I also saw big Andre Jacques signs and
strange to me that he uses blue as the background color.
No one's going to confuse him for a damn.
But you think the, the partisan nature of that primary, do you think they could divide
their base?
I mean, whoever runs against Leierley compared to an OBGYN, a doctor, they're going to
come off as very extreme with their anti-abortion positions.
I'll tell you, as much as I love Peter Barker, and I have given money to Peter Barker, my
favorite congressional candidate that she is definitely Dr. Kristen Leierley.
She is amazing.
She is an OBGYN.
She of course brings that, that reproductive rates issue right to the fore.
But I'll tell you, you never talk to her and don't think that she is the best, most exciting,
exciting candidate that there is in the state.
She does a great job.
She's running in a district that Democrats have no right to think they have any chance
to win.
But if it's a good year, and the quality of the candidates makes any difference, and she
is amazing, she's the person who could win that seat, she is a remarkable candidate.
And like you say, OBGYN in a year when reproductive rates is the ballgame, and by the way, the
great thing about Dr. Leierley, and I've talked to her many times, I've given her money.
One of the great things about her is that she actually is there to help the people down
the ballot from her, Jamie Wall and people in the assembly, Jamie Wall run for the states
on, and to help Joe Biden.
She is there and all in for Democrats, and she's impressive.
Kamala Harris now.
Kamala Harris.
Well, I'll tell you, who would have thought that we would be united behind the VP even
two weeks ago?
It's just remarkable what's happened.
And I think that's building an amazing energy for the candidates up and down the ballot.
Chuck Walla, we can feel the energy, the Democrats, they got all the good on their
side, all the res, and the Republicans, they're just damn weird.
They're weird.
Chuck Walla, thank you so much, Jeff and all the way here.
Come back, the rest of you, more Devil's Advocates on the other side.
Joe Biden's proposal for the Supreme Court and Michael Moore thinks it's time to crush
Trump.
I concur.
Devil's Advocates stick around.
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