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This is proving it's never personal, only politics.
And now here's your host, Dom and Crout.
Welcome to the devil's advocates radio show, a whopper of a Wednesday edition.
That might have been busy bucketing a great show.
We've got Charles Franklin, new market university law school, polling in the 5 o'clock hour.
We've got our pale bill press, pundit friend podcaster bill press in the happy hour, happier
hour, and right from the top down, we bring back Joe was the re returning champion, Joe
a former Republican congressman, a former presidential candidate, hopefully a friend of ours,
Joe, welcome back to the devil's advocates.
Hey Joe, lead off batter, I've always been the cleanup batter.
This is BS, but I'll take it.
You want to stick around, do a little bonus coverage.
We are doing a debate, we, we tomorrow night, tomorrow night, Joe, you could stay a little
bit later.
But first and foremost, welcome back, Joe.
And I would wonder, are you eagerly anticipating the biggest debate of your lifetime, sir?
Not eagerly, but I'm anticipating.
I can't tell a line, not eagerly.
Joe, what would you expect?
Obviously, the, the first time Biden and Trump debated, it was a bit of a crap show.
Trump continuously interrupted candidate Biden.
And you know, it was a little bit hard to watch.
Jody, I think we'll see something similar.
Well, here's the drill, here's the deal, Trump is who he is, he's an utterly horrible
human being, and every, like every time I go on TV, every time I go on the radio, every
time I go anywhere, I just want to remind everybody, Donald Trump is the only president in
the history of America who lost an election and refused to concede, refused to participate
in a peaceful transfer of power, and then he tried to overthrow that election.
I have to get that out first.
What I expect tomorrow is, look, this race is a dead heat right now.
I don't think Trump has anything to prove.
Everybody knows who and what Trump is.
Joe Biden has a lot to prove.
He has one thing to prove.
And if he can't prove that, he's not going to win.
Biden has to prove he's not too old.
Period.
He has to prove he's up to the job.
Period.
If he can do that, I think he'll win.
Joe, have you noted there calling him jacked up, Joe, and claiming he's on drugs or
Mountain Dew or something?
This seems like a strange thing to cast upon sleepy Joe Biden.
He can't have it both ways, but of course they wanted both ways.
He's completely asleep at the at the wheel until debate time.
Then they give him the drug.
So Joe, what do you think of this whole drug test, the president?
Why won't Biden take a drug test?
It go ahead.
Yeah, no, no, I'm like, you're right.
Look, it's it's it's Trump.
I need to remind everybody and I say that says somebody who was a Republican my whole
life until three or four years ago.
This party is Trump's and he's an idiot and he's a bad, bad person.
So he said things like they're going to juice Biden up.
They're going to put drugs into him.
Again, Trump has always said stuff like this.
What makes me sad is all the other Republicans who now say the same damn thing
because it's Trump's party and he's their dear leader.
Folks, you are listening to the devil's advocates radio.
So Joe Walsh, our guest host of a white flag with Joe Walsh, you can find them on the
Twitter's as well.
I appreciate you coming around.
Joe, it sounds to me, sir, you think that this is Joe Biden's debate to lose, but let
me let me be the devil's advocates for a moment.
If I may, it sounds like a lot of people are going to be watching this thing.
Presumably, there'll be a lot of people that really haven't made up their mind or haven't
pulled their hat out or gotten away from the work of the kids or the family or the parents
enough to really dial down.
I know it's hard to believe, but maybe there's some folks like that out there.
And they turn this thing on and they see Donald Trump rambling about sharks and electrocution
and batteries and how he's the snake.
Don't you think there's a huge possibility it would turn a whole lot of people off?
No, by the way, I agree with you.
I think there are a lot more people undecided than all the experts say.
And I talk to a lot of these people every day.
And what they tell me is, Joe, I know Trump is a a-hole.
I know he's a bad person, but Joe Biden is too old.
And so I don't know what I'm going to do, Joe.
I don't know who I'm going to vote for.
Trump's not going to change.
Trump's always going to be an a-hole, a bad guy.
Biden's the one who's got a show he's not too old.
And my worry is that if a voter goes into the booth in November and they have to decide
between the horrible guy and the old guy, a lot of Americans will choose the a-hole.
That's why this is unbidened as far as I'm concerned.
Well, I feel like we're a little numb to at least.
I am.
I've heard him.
We listened to him.
We've gone to all the rallies over the years.
And while, you know, maybe I'm numb to it, if you're not dialed in like that or part
of the mega crowd, some of the things he says and how he acts, I think will, in fact,
turn some people off, Joe.
But I want to ask you a question.
I was on the Twitter feed and looking to see if you follow to see that, but I wanted
to ask you a specific one of you guys, I need to follow you.
At Delirio, baby.
But you put one up last week, Joe.
And I- Sorry, I missed you, Joe.
You put one up last week.
How about your past and about how hard it was to watch like video of you when you first
started out politics?
I think you said you were a device of political a-hole.
And I appreciate the sentiment on- Oh, no, Joe.
Oh, go ahead.
I lost you.
Yeah, I'm sorry, Joe.
Folks, we got Joe Walsh.
I may come back with a complete thought at some point here momentarily.
Joe, let me ask you, 34 felony convictions of candidate Trump.
How do you think that has affected the electorate?
I think it's helped Trump.
I think that case in particular has helped Trump because it was a stretch to bring that
indictment against him.
Look, he's guilty.
He's a convicted felon.
But that's the luckiest thing that happened to Trump.
Trump tried to overthrow the election.
He hasn't been put on trial for that yet.
He tried to overthrow George's election.
He hasn't been put on trial for that yet.
He purposely took classified docs and then tried to prevent them from being retrieved.
He hasn't been put on trial for that yet either.
So the only thing he's been put on trial for is this New York thing, paying off, you
know, hush money to a porn star that he had sex with.
Most Americans don't care about that trial.
So I think that's helped Trump.
Joe, let me ask you, if we assume you're either a Biden voter or a Trump voter and the
Trump voters are going to be completely non-move mostly by the felony convictions in New
York and the Biden people weren't going to vote for the man anyways.
So the only people really still out there deciding, Joe, are perhaps low information, low
propensity voters, people that maybe don't go to the ballot box every midterm.
So do you think simply seeing the headline guilty, felonies?
Does any of that have affect on the undecided, Joe?
I think it's a net plus for Trump and here's why, since he was convicted what a month
ago.
I've had Republicans have all rallied around him.
I know a lot of Republicans, I used to be a Republican, I know a lot of Republicans who
can't stand Trump and even they were pissed off because that conviction, those convictions
didn't seem fair.
I think it would have been a whole different ballgame if Trump had been convicted for
trying to overthrow the election.
That would have been a whole different conviction.
But I think a lot of independents and Republicans think this one was BS.
Joe, I get that and you know I watched that trial and at least the coverage of the trial
we didn't actually have inside the courtroom.
I am waiting on the US Supreme Court like everybody is.
Do you think we will have an immunity ruling this week?
And if so, do you think it will affect the conversation at the debate?
I don't think we'll have one this week.
It would impact the debate tomorrow night if it came down tomorrow.
Look, I can't fathom how the Supreme Court would grant total immunity to Donald Trump.
Then Joe Biden could literally have Donald Trump taken out right now.
So that's not going to happen, but what the Supreme Court is doing is they're delaying
their purposely playing along with Trump's delay game to push that trial beyond the election.
And that's outrageous, that's just this delayed.
Joe Walsh, what has been your reaction when we find out the partisan, at least flag flying
of the Alito family, they have obviously shown their colors and we hear these things,
but there seemingly is no way to force a Supreme Court justice to recuse.
So we literally have a little ruling on whether or not this guy gets immunity
and he's flying the flag upside down or playing it on the wife, but you get the points, sir.
I get the point, my friend, I totally get the point.
My friend, look, this Supreme Court, and I'm a conservative.
I'm an originalist when it comes to the courts, but this Supreme Court has gotten overly political,
way too political, and they are unaccountable.
As a former congressman, I would say, this could be a battle of the branches of government.
Congress may need to weigh in with legislation trying to hold the Supreme Court accountable,
because otherwise, they're going to have to regulate and hold themselves accountable.
And I don't see them doing that.
Right now, it's a political issue and Biden ought to make it a campaign issue.
Joe, as a former congressman, did you ever receive $4 billion plus and goods and travel from any political donors?
No, if I had, I wouldn't be speaking to you, too, right now.
That would have been a crime as a congressman, right?
But somehow it's permissive.
It's allowed as a Supreme Court justice, and they've been early up to report this stuff.
It's wrong.
Well, and they get to write their own recusal rules, too.
I love that.
Joe Walsh, buddy.
Don't be a stranger.
We'll catch up with you real soon.
You're the best, guys.
Thank you.
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And you can join us right now, 844-967-2789.
Jackie, from Monomity Falls.
You're the first today.
Welcome, Jackie.
What do you got for us?
Hi, Jackie.
Hi, I'm Jackie from Monomity Falls.
I have a question.
My ex is in the district of Alexandria, Ocasio-Cortez.
And my ex said that they were a little concerned that they turned out there.
It was like only a hundred people or so.
And they're afraid that some of the enthusiasm is, I'm sorry, I've never seen it.
Some of the enthusiasm is needing.
And I was just wanted to know what your thoughts are.
And I'm looking forward to hearing these results of this Marquette poll.
Can I take the answer off the ear please?
Thank you for joining us.
A couple of thoughts.
Ocasio-Cortez has, well, there's always a chance in politics.
Eric Cantor was in line to be the speaker of the house and he lost a primary.
But, unlike Jamal Bowman, there's about a zero percent chance that Ocasio-Cortez will
lose her primary.
Now, having said that, the enthusiasm currently, and according to the Marquette University law
school poll will go inside the numbers, which Charles Franklin in the five o'clock hour,
the enthusiasm currently is with Republicans.
And I think that dovetails was something that Joel Walsh said.
I think a lot of Republicans rallied, rallied round their mega cult leader rallied around Trump when he was convicted.
And the enthusiasm for this now convicted felon, I mean, they're more invasive of the man.
So it is strange to me that this has turned out the base.
And it is a little bit bothersome to me, as Joe mentioned to us, you know, the real trials,
the real crime, the insurrection, the trying to overturn the election in Georgia,
the keeping of classified documents and doing with which God knows what,
but certainly obstructing justice, certainly holding on to top secret documents.
Well, none of those things have come to trial.
And while they're out there in the nebulous, people know Trump's been accused.
There are plenty of reasonable people that are waiting, waiting.
And if there is no evidence, I mean, how did Scott Walker win the recall?
I heard so many people say, well, if there's no evidence of a crime, you know, then it's just politics.
Well, as Joel mentioned, this conviction, although in a court of law, a jury of his peers considered evidence presented took weeks.
But what I would say is if it's not perceived to be actual crime, it's perceived to be political.
And it plays into his narrative that it's all a big witch hunt.
Well, it has gendered up the enthusiasm for team mega.
Not just the enthusiasm and Jackie can think of it for the call, but the monetary enthusiasm as well.
And I get the sentiment in the sense that if you truly believe that your candidate was the victim
of some law fair, however, you define it as they determine to define it.
I can see how that would gin some people up and get them very motivated.
And that's why I think it's very important that we continue on with these other court cases.
Unfortunately, I don't know if the time will allow for it because these particular crimes that he was convicted on were the lesser of all of them.
We're talking about a guy that sat on his ass while his supporters at his recommendation come will be wild.
Attack the capitalist up piece will transfer power to stuff the county.
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, we know the storyline.
Those are the most important ones. Those are the issues that directly affect our democracy and our country and our governance.
Whether a guy's, you know, in fraud and not reporting this taxes writer, swindling his supporters less less of an issue for me specifically than trying to overthrow the government.
However, that being said, the crimes that he was convicted on, you know, were misdemeanors enhanced because they were covering up another crime was, of course, because he didn't want the story to get out about Stormy Daniels and how that would impact the election.
He very well, very well may have saved his electoral life by doing what he did and eventually became president.
I mean, maybe that would have been the straw that broke the Campbell's back. We will never, we will never know.
So I get the point of the enthusiasm. I think your guys getting railroaded. Sure, but he's not getting a railroad. That's the whole point.
And I'm down you want to have those discussions. What's specifically about the facts that the jury found him guilty and what, when you refute anyone who says, well, he didn't do it or it's a, it's law fair.
Well, the testimony given by Michael Cohen, I could actually sit here and go through what I would refute. And I'm actually on your side, but the actual evidence presented a trial, the testimony of Michael Cohen, the fact he stole from the man.
There are plenty of reasons to question the outcome. Now I give credit to the jury. I would say these are people trying to do their duty.
But there are plenty of questions coming out of this trial. I mean, come on. You could, you could argue reasonable people could argue about the evidence presented and whether or not there was enough there to convict.
Apparently, there was unanimously every one of them that we did that. And that's what they determined. And you can say, well, I don't like that or Michael Cohen did this. You know, when you have a bunch of criminals in a conspiracy in some of them are cooperating and some of them are not, you're going to have to deal with the various characters. That's not uncommon.
Look at every single mob trial ever when you got someone on the insider, someone that left.
Okay, but we're not talking about Trump dropping dimes and having people off. We're talking about Trump paying off porn stars and playmates do not tell about their sexual trist with Trump.
That doesn't seem to have the gravity of, you know, Corleone family business, if you know what I'm saying.
So you can make the mob's in reality, but it doesn't stick. It's not a big deal. It's not murder. Right. It's not. But he's still guilty. He still did it. He did. He did it. You know, he did it. You think you didn't do it.
The nation knows he paid off a porn star and their collective response has been to either support the man or the young.
So I don't think anyone wants to argue the finer points of evidence in the hush money case now. I don't think it's convincing.
Convicted is literally convincing.
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Welcome back to the devil's advocates, radio show a rapper of the Wednesday edition.
I've been getting informed about news and sports on the tax line. Damn, crudey burrs when 65 in the 10th, burrs when.
Thank you for that update, steady Eddie. I was unaware until I saw it on the tax line. Here's a little bit more.
What medication do Republicans suggest we give our loved ones with dementia to make them sharp again?
That truck doesn't exist. Idiots. No, that's an experimental cocktail. I mean, that's why he's that camp David doing all the practice in there.
Seeing what they should, you know, still working on the formula. It's like coke and secret Andrew from Verona says sorry, Joe.
I think he's talking to Joe Walls. Sorry, Joe, but Trump is not just an A-hole. He's an old fat A-hole.
One big back away from the big one. Don't give me that crap about Joe being too old.
Okay, Jeff from Sherwood's got an interesting question.
How did Wanker win the recall? Question for you from the audience time.
How did Wanker win the recall? How did Scott Walker win the recall in the state of Wisconsin? How do you think that was feasible?
Well, I think he got more votes than Tom Barrett.
Well, thank you for that obvious answer. But how do you think it was feasible?
That Scott Walker got more votes than Tom Barrett lived through the act 10. The bombing dropped on the state and the people of Wisconsin.
His policy decisions were not criminal. There was a political move by Scott Walker and the Republicans.
There was plenty of alleged criminality against the band, right? That was the whole underlying child.
Not dope, but not, yeah, but that not at the time.
Not at that time. That was not public information at that time.
So while as time went on, we certainly become aware of that during that time.
There was no allegation of criminality by Scott Walker.
Was that certainly he maybe mislead the voters?
So forward some legislation Republicans wanted that a lot of people didn't want, but that in and of itself wasn't criminal.
And therefore, I think a lot of people decided that well, that's not worthy of impeachment.
Like, you know, I don't know, coordinating with third party groups to get consistent messaging across individual donors from outside that your campaign and your campaign itself, things like that.
Well, that in a sweetheart real estate deal at big blue and some other things.
And let's not forget county executive Scott Walker's entire camp.
Well, his campaign staff was his county executive staff, right?
Because they were campaigning at the county executive's office. And that was known.
That was known. Right. Tim Russell went to jail.
Few others, Cindy Archer, some pre-dawn paramilitary raid time.
That was not known information in June of.
I don't I don't believe so. Scott Walker's campaign office was rated the day he was elected governor.
Yeah, I understand that was public knowledge.
Pretty it. Chisholm go public with that knowledge.
Well, Chisholm never went public with that knowledge.
Go at right. It would have killed him.
It would have crushed him on the on the recall, right?
Hey, he's also under investigation. Chisholm didn't do that.
So no, it wasn't public knowledge, ma'am.
I think it was in the reporting similar perhaps to this circumstance we find with Donald Trump.
There's plenty of reporting of the illegality,
the criminality of the conduct of Scott Walker when he was the governor.
But never got tried, never got charged.
Not before the recall and what do the people of the state of Wisconsin decide to do?
Give them more votes, right? The very obvious answer I got from you.
Give them more votes.
Can you see where this might play out again?
That maybe they don't put the gravity behind the weight of the hush money to a portal star.
That's terrible analogy.
The guy's actually been convicted of 34 felony counts.
Scott Walker was never even charged.
And he raised $141 million off of that.
And brought the financial campaign basically even because Joe Biden had a huge financial advantage over the Trump campaign.
But the conviction actually helped Trump catch up $140 million worth.
And above and beyond that, the enthusiasm gap whether or not you believe the market university law school polling every indication is.
The Republican base is way more fired up than the Democratic base.
The enthusiasm to vote.
And so much of that has been inspired by the conviction at the hush money trial.
So you can say conviction.
And you can argue about the evidence.
Let me just lay something on your crudey.
Number one, all those things are absolutely irrelevant to the administration of justice.
You know, you go forward with those when you're trial, when you're ready to go to trial, it's not about politics.
It's not about how much Trump's going to make or not going to make or how what the enthusiasm is going to be or not going to be right.
They went forward with their case when the trials, if they would have paused it because they don't want to give Trump a benefit or if they were to pause it because they don't want to harm Trump, those are political moves.
You do you go to trial when you're ready to go to trial says nothing to do is should not have anything to do with whether or not Donald Trump can raise money or not offer whether or not his voters are going to be enthused and fired up about it or not.
You're relevant to the administration of justice, man.
So okay.
That's the consequence.
So what?
What's the?
What is the administration of justice that we've seen so far?
He's got a negative title, which doesn't seem being leeway him down and in fact enhances his fundraising.
Not not not gone forward with the trial crudey until after the election.
I'm not sure if I would have gone forward with the trial period.
If I were Alvin Brack, just like I don't know if I'd have gone forward with the trial of Hunter Biden.
I convicted a third for felony counts and you're saying because of political reasons that maybe you would have held on to it.
And I think that's a terrible.
I didn't say for political reasons.
What was your other reason be Michael?
He was convicted.
Judicial prudence pardon me.
Prescutorial discretion is the word I was looking for.
I would have chosen not to charge when there are much more serious and grave issues facing the American people and allegations against the man.
I wouldn't have brought not in an Alvin Bregg's jurisdiction there weren't.
Okay.
This is a local D.A. man.
He decides what he's going to do.
Funny well decide what they're going to do.
Okay, but just stop telling me what a great thing it was for America that this conviction has happened because.
Electrally, it seemingly is catapulting the guy back to reelection.
So if this trial helps Trump win reelection and he gets what a slap on the wrist maybe 30 days of Marilago.
Because once the sentence and comes down dude, that's just going to exacerbate this circumstance even worse.
If it was a political trial to the.
You're right here is to have prosecutorial discretion and do nothing.
I didn't say not the guy see bring the real charges to real crimes.
What would Alvin Bregg have done?
Nothing.
Okay, so who then?
Merrick Garley want to go back in the time machine and start charging 12 or 18 months ago.
Okay, can't do that.
So there is no other option other than to move forward.
I mean, as soon as Alvin Bregg laid these things out, this was the path we were on.
There's always a risk that well, will it fire up us?
Yeah, maybe it will.
We'll make a more money.
Yeah, maybe.
Or still what five four five months out.
We'll see how it pans out, but I'm fine with it the way it is and damn the torpedoes, man.
The guy did the crime he did is going to get his conviction.
He got the conviction and the sensitive come down in a couple of weeks and that will be where we're at.
Like everybody else like you like me like rich like our audience, man.
That's how it works.
This was exactly how any other American citizen would have faced justice in New York.
Any other citizen.
No, he'd have been locked up the first time, broke the gag order, but you know, sure.
Right.
So it wasn't the same as any other citizen would have gotten.
And ultimately down the Senate.
Yes, of course he did.
Yeah, rich white guys flack in the judicial system.
Thank you for the note, Rudy.
Well, former president certainly seeming seemingly do.
So anyways, this decision, this.
Is it a great thing that he's been convicted?
You know, I like labeling him a felon.
I don't mind it.
But I am less convinced than perhaps you are my friend that this has the gravity on the electric.
I'm worried about the court of the public opinion.
I am worried about fascism taking over the White House again and not giving it back.
You're worried about whether or not the conviction will rile up his, his, his, his voters in some way shape or form.
You've already kind of gone to fascia as a man.
You start making political decisions.
I don't think I would have taken misdemeanors and tried to extend them to felonies and then found a way to do so through.
You know, this was a novel approach and great on Alvin Bragg that he pulled it off successfully, but to what end?
That's my question.
844-967-2789, our pal Jeannie from O'Clair.
Welcome back, Jeannie. How you doing, sister?
Hey, Jeannie.
Hi, guys.
I have to tell you, a crime is a crime is a crime.
You know, they couldn't do anything to poor little Donnie when he was in office.
When he was pulling all the stuff with Russia and all the things that went on then.
And so, oh no, you can't charge the president.
Well, he ain't the president anymore.
And he needs to get charged with every golf darn crime.
And I don't care if it's election night.
He shouldn't even be running.
He's a crazy man.
And people that are idiot enough to vote for a criminal like that have to have their heads examined.
And we'll get what we deserve. That's why we got to get the word out and keep fighting back.
So keep it up, guys.
I'm so glad you're there.
Thank you for the work that you do.
I appreciate it.
Jeannie.
Well, thank you.
But let me point out.
I think my guy Bernie Sanders is coming up to your neck of the woods.
As soon as Friday, maybe.
Yeah.
I think Bernie's coming up on Friday, perhaps.
I saw he was going to be at Steven's point.
And then he's moving on to like the old Claire Chippewa Valley area.
I think I'm going to do an interview with you.
I hope that would be wonderful.
Well, I don't know about that.
PBS is coming to our party tomorrow night.
The one of the, the shows.
Is coming to the very more theater to kind of get a sense of the crowd and.
And the fun party, the pre debate party, but.
No, no, Bernie, Bernie will probably be more.
More important.
Bernie will probably get the interview at the Bernie rally.
Not crudey.
Well, I would love to have you guys.
It happened beyond your.
So that would be so great.
Oh, I would love to get Bernie.
See, I thought that was a different question.
You were asking Jeannie.
Like, why aren't they interviewing crudey?
Well, I thought crudey, good interview Bernie.
There we go.
We've had Bernie.
Bernie's been on the show.
Jeannie, thanks for calling.
844-967-2789.
Been too long.
You know, our pal John Nichols wrote a book with the man.
You think he could hook us up.
Ah, let's keep going.
Joe from Madison.
Thank you.
Next.
Welcome.
Hey, Joe.
Oh, crudey, crudey, crudey.
I just, I hear what you're saying, but it doesn't matter.
They're the evidence.
You said was not convincing.
People will look at this and say it's not convincing.
It doesn't matter.
12 jurors were convinced.
That's all that matters.
And they were convinced.
I admire those.
I admire those that served on the jury.
I admire those that did their seventh duty.
But ultimately, it is about democracy.
I think about, you know, winning the White House.
And if Trump wins the White House, because he was propelled by this,
and it seems so strange to think, the guys do it better
because he's 34 times convicted.
But apparently the court of public opinion says,
these were not real crimes.
Not in the same way that I think the insurrection was.
But your thoughts, Joe.
I think we can't take a poll of the United States
and say that that's justice.
We have to do justice in the courtroom.
And that's all that we have to rely on.
If we feel that fascism is walking down the street
and heading on to the White House in the form of Donald Trump,
that is a whole other discussion about how one tackles that.
Because it was not just paying off a porn star.
It was paying off a porn star to shut up about their liaison.
It was using crud and lying and stealing in order to make sure
that that porn star didn't talk before the election.
And that is about our election.
And nothing is more sacred.
It is mafia also to try to bust up an election.
It is wrong.
And what those jurors did was the right decision.
And it was the right decision because it's 34 times they said,
yes, he broke the law.
I hear what you're saying, crudy.
But we got to just keep going forward
on showing the difference between the candidates.
And if he's getting a buzz now, the elections are ways away.
Okay.
And we don't know what the charges are going to be
in terms of the sentencing.
So let's look at that and then go from there.
Thanks, crudy.
Well, thank you.
No, thanks for Don.
I think they're speaking for me a little bit.
Thank you, Joe.
Appreciate it.
As always.
Folks, we have the devil's advocates.
I never speak for you, Don.
Thank you.
I occasionally speak over you.
Through you, around you.
But never for you.
At me, but not for me.
I do like to put words at your mouth.
Mostly made up words.
Gobbly-gook.
But it's very hard for the audience to discern the difference.
More devil's advocates on the other side.
No gobbly-gook allowed.
844-967-2789.
I would have gotten away with it, too.
If it wasn't for those meddling devil's advocates.
I think people are listening to devil's advocates.
The radio is going online.
Open going there.
At 844-967-2789.
You've got to make sure you stick around.
Or the happier, happier, our pal.
Build press going to roll in at five o'clock.
The child is frankly going to go behind the numbers on the new market.
University law school poll at five thirty.
So get your calls in and text in right now.
844-968.
I'm checking the text line.
Any from Watertown.
Trying to chastise me.
I'm not taking it any cheese.
People think the crime was paying off the porn star.
Maybe because you keep saying it.
It was the lonely campaign law that was passed to protect democracy.
That's not true, though.
That was not what the conviction was for.
And in fact, that might have been one of the laws broken.
That would ratchet up the media.
Cook in the books from a misdemeanor to a felony.
The enhancer.
Yes.
The enhancer.
But he wasn't charged with breaking campaign finance laws.
He was charged with cooking the books.
And he was convicted.
But that ain't the same.
So if I'm talking about the payoff of the porn star.
Because that was effectively what was alleged to have been the.
What the violence was.
He was not charged with breaking campaign finance laws.
Sort of.
Put it out there in the ether, but they never really clarified.
Here is another texture.
For those of us dealing with parents dementia, like today,
it's offensive.
What they're saying.
Yes.
That's also right.
Any, I believe.
I am sure someone will call us well.
Democrats need to stand message.
Trump wasn't convicted of paying off a porn actress,
morally repugnant.
But the crime was falsifying business records.
Kenneth from Stoughton.
At least you're right on the crime.
That is true.
That is what he was convicted of.
Now, a few point out.
The vast majority of people in the world.
The vast majority of Trump's donations come from just the
handful of billionaires.
It's not like he's getting some massive grassroots donations of
the hundred and forty one million dollars he raised after the
conviction.
It was grassroots.
It was.
It was under two hundred bucks per donor.
He's getting it from people who did do not want their taxes
increased period.
That might be true of the super pack.
But every individual donor giving to a presidential campaign has
the same campaign finance limits that we all do.
They get around by giving it to save America pack in the different
packs.
So the billionaires certainly do support the man.
But the hundred and forty one million dollars raised that was
from individual small dollar donors primarily just here.
No.
That is a sign of enthusiasm.
Out.
Let's see here.
Eight four four nine six seven two seven eight nine billionaire
donor Timothy Mellon, largest donor to the pack supporting
Trump and independent candidate Kennedy and heir to the
Mellon family empire donated 50 million to mega ink the primary
super pack supporting Trump on the day after his conviction.
So 50 of the hundred and forty one million is one individual.
Is that factored into the math?
That would be my assumption of what I'm seeing here.
Yes.
That was not my assumption because I've seen it represented
differently, but I'll look it up.
Eight four four nine six seven two seven eight nine Matt from
Johnson's Creek.
Welcome Matt.
What do you got for us?
Hello Matt.
Hey guys.
Pretty I get you know you're worried.
But and this would be a good question for Dr. Franklin that is
enthusiasm really what's going to win him or is it going to be
going to bring in people in because these last two elections are.
And then I'm sure this one will be the same have been decided by
less than a hundred thousand votes right.
I get that his base is enthused and is ready to go out and
sure send them two hundred dollars here and there.
But is it really going to bring in the people that he needs the
people that weren't already going to vote for him?
That's why I'm not as concerned that you know the mega.
Maths are all up and arms and super excited to defend their guy
at the ballot box because they were already going to do that.
Yeah, but a lot of the for a conviction.
Matt here here is my theory and and I hope I'm wrong.
But I'm sometimes right.
The low propensity voters here in the state of Wisconsin actually
started with Scott Walker's recall.
People were apparently outraged.
They didn't think there was justification to recall the governor
because there were no criminal charges.
I try to make this analogy prior to them didn't like it.
But it was low propensity voters people that don't usually come out
and vote and they jumped on the Trump bandwagon in 2016.
A lot of outstate people that don't usually vote came out and said,
let's try this outside guy.
This Trump guy.
Now there was certainly a revolt in 2020.
We all saw Joe Biden won the state by about the same margin like 21,000 votes.
But the enthusiasm for not Trump has sort of waned like the
the enthusiasm on the democratic side.
You know, people are going to vote for Biden.
I'm going to vote for Biden.
Part of me.
Dom's going to vote for Biden, even if he's in a jury keeps claiming.
We're going to vote for Biden.
But that doesn't mean we're enthusiastic about it.
And the low propensity blame them.
I'll vote them if you know the weather is nice.
And I don't have too much traffic on election day.
Well, I am less convinced that the low propensity Dems are lining up for Biden.
And I am far more convinced that the low propensity Republicans are lining up for Trump.
That's what the convictions changed.
That's my fear.
I just, yeah, I'm not sure that there are those low propensity Republicans anymore.
They either this is not an outsider anymore.
You know, these are known commodities.
I just don't see how this changes anything.
Fair enough, man.
Yeah, Matt saying that the low propensity voters no longer low propensity.
They've now become full on mega supportive.
Oh, maybe they've gone to that well already.
Well, I'm less clear that they came out and voted for Trump in 20, right?
We heard Ron Johnson describe the math.
51,000 under votes on Wisconsin ballots.
People that voted down a ticket for Republicans, but didn't vote at the top of the ticket for Trump, right?
Ron Johnson told us the math.
That's why Biden won.
Although you're still more in support of the January six activities.
The coup, if you will, talking about putting someone's balls to the wall, I hope.
There are some indictments against that man coming.
We got fine gas coming, including bill press.
Our buddy next.