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Like the apparent recall efforts of Robert Voss, I now understand from the reporting I've
seen widely reported, they've come up short time, they've come up short of their mission,
they've been possible, they submitted like 10,000 signatures, not only that, but maybe
they've created a constitutional crisis question park in that seems appropriate for Republicans
these days.
There's the old Robin Voss district, the district he was elected in, the previous maps,
the previous maps, and the new Robin Voss districts, the new maps, the new maps, well,
I guess the Wisconsin Elections Commission is going to try and determine how many of these
signatures, you know, the petition to recall Robin Voss, because if they've got 10,700
and they needed 6,850 to get 25% of the gubernatorial election, most recent cycle, that's
22 in his district, well, you know, did some of these people think they lived in
Robin Voss's district, or do you, do you have a lot of, what, what would you describe
them as fraudulent, uh, out of district fraudulent petition or at least one perhaps, at
least one guy claims somebody signed his name, represented him fraudulately dumb, he's
a little bit up in arms, I am a little up in arms though, because you know, I love this
right up until now when it crashes and burns, when it, when it, when it crashes on
the rock stem, this apparently will fall short. And, and how many were they short by like
700 signatures? It wasn't an astronomical large number, but it's still more than 145, 945 out
of a prerequisite, 6,850, my understanding, that's still more than 10%. So what were the
other 4,000? That's what I don't get superfluous. They were, they were bonus people that just
didn't like Robin Voss that were just willing to sign any piece of paper. And, and, and you
know, did they not consider laying down a map and saying, do you live here? Sign here.
Well, when you sign, don't you sign your name and your address and your, you do if you want
to be a valid petitioner, right? And say, yes, I can legitimately sign because I am represented
in the 63rd, the only question, which, which the old 63rd, the new 63rd, the new and approved
63rd, that, that I wonder if that is even meaningful. I think they've blown it down. I think
they've come up short and they try to cloud it. You know, they, they're pointing at metrics
that don't matter. We've got 10,700 crazy wacky news that want Robin Voss out. Yeah, but
do they live in this district? Well, I mean, some do many most, but not all, but, but not
enough to meet the actual standard of 6,800 and 50. I knew at some point, you know, they,
they rounded up at the Washington Post, but I knew getting the accurate figure was going
to be pertinent at some point, because as fate would have it, they've blown it. Mom's
spaghetti all over their sweaters. So is the effort dead? I already think they now sue.
Do we have litigation that stems out of this? I think, you know, could this, could this
and legitimately, because there is a real questionnaire. If, if under the 63rd, the fight
63rd, whether it's the old maps and the new maps, if cumulatively, you had a significant
number, if you could add more than 900 to the, to the valid total, with that sway the Wisconsin
Elections Commission to come to a different answer or, or are we running straight the litigation?
I don't know. I mean, here's the question. So when, when they went out and collected these
signatures, what maps were they referring to? You know, I mean, because obviously the lines
recall Robin Voss, recall Robin Voss, new maps, old maps, so either way it works out, if they use
the new maps, perhaps it would have been better if they use the old maps. Do they have to do,
are they going to do a redo now? Well, recall the recall. I would wonder. Total recall.
Total recall 2.0, because, but I would wonder if they actually started this effort, because you
get a run-up period, right? Right. If they're expiration of time, if they just hit the clock,
if they just ran out the clock, what was their run-up? Like six weeks, two months. I mean,
they had some period time. Right. 60 days. I, I, I forget. I recall there was sufficient number
of ballots in the Scott Walker recall effort. Theoretically, those that signed did so in, in good
stead, thinking that Robin Voss was their rep, because they were aware there are new maps,
and he's in my district. Or, or, or, or. Thinking Robin Voss was their guy,
because they're in the old maps, and maybe they're not in the new district, but they were in the
old district. Or, as you mentioned, they weren't in the old district. They now, in the new district,
you know, perhaps when Governor Evers asked the Supreme Court to weigh in on this, they should have.
What are you blaming the courts? Ah, well, apparently, according to Molly Beck at the Milwaukee
Journal Sentinel today, when the Wisconsin Elections Commission met to talk about this, they have
also requested Attorney General Josh Call to inquire to the Supreme Court, which maps should
be used. I mean, how many people are going to have to ask the same question to get an answer?
You know, I'll put the failure to indict fake electors on jashes. That's, but this one,
now I'm going to put on the courts, you know, the courts decide. Here is the headline,
I'm Robin Voss recall organizers failed to submit enough valid signatures. Don't walk, walk,
walk, initial review finds organizers of Molly Beck reporting organizers of a recall attempt
against Wisconsin's longest serving assembly speaker failed to gather enough signatures in the
district. He was last elected in to trigger a recall election, according to an initial review
by the state elections commission. So they're going off the old 63rd. The old 63rd, these signatures
are now under scrutiny as the elections commission and assembly speaker Robin Voss and his allies
investigate each signature to determine how many are valid, at least received county resident,
at least one received county resident said Tuesday, his name was legally forged on the recall
petition and has contacted local law enforcement, right? Well, the district attorney, I guess supporters
of former president and presumptive GOP presidential nominee Donald Trump are seeking to oust assembly
speaker Robin Voss. Right on red crime is I would describe it down. I was gleefully yesterday
when I thought they had the sufficient number of signatures. They're trying to oust Voss over his
criticism of Trump and his unwillingness to break the law. Oh, really? You know, I mean, that's,
I think that's very important. Unwillingness to break the law and undo the 2020
Wisconsin election. I think that's very. I think it was the law that kept him on the right.
I know, but I appreciate Molly Beck framing it as such. I'll recall organizers Matthew Snorak
said Mondays Group was submitting more than 10,000 signatures, nearly 4,000 more than required,
but on Tuesday, the WEC staff determined the recall organizers did not obtain enough signatures
from residents in the district, Voss was elected in when the recall began following about 945
signatures short. But the state's legislative maps, of course, have changed since then Crudy and
those new boundaries may complicate the final counting of signatures. The recall petition,
filing comes days after the state Supreme Court declined to weigh in and Democratic Governor
20 Evers forecast to clarify. Yes, please clarify whether the state's new legislative districts
apply to elections held before November, leaving potential questions about how election officials
will address the proposed recall. I have been questioned. That's what we need more questions
in our elections. Don't tell the Republicans. Elections at commission staff plan to conduct a
second review of signatures and will determine how many valid signatures are present under the
old and new electoral maps. Commissioners on Tuesday during a special elections commission meeting
also asked voted to ask Attorney General Josh call to seek clarification from the state's Supreme
Court on which district boundaries to use when determining whether the recall organizers gathered
enough signatures to trigger a recall election. Seems like something you'd want to know upfront.
You know what I mean? Just to say if you're going to go through the effort come up 945 short,
maybe you should have known upfront. You know what I'm talking about coming up short, don't you?
This story in my life, brother. But of course that's the thing and why why is it the old maps?
Why wouldn't it be the new maps? What if they didn't get enough signatures using the old maps but
they got enough signatures under the new maps? What happens then? Do they have a claim? Do they
have a point? I think a better point than the one you're trying to make. Say I'm a wail in a
Republican who lives in Yorkville said Tuesday his name appears illegally on the recall petition.
Today I called the DA and started the process of going after those who's attempted, who attempted
to steal my identity. Shame on them. These boss recall people are determined that 2020 was stolen,
but now I want to see steal our election for us by forcing a recall of our successful candidate.
Don't mess it up, man. You got one chance. I'm a little sad. They blew it. They blew it. They
blew it. You blew it. You had the opportunity 945 signatures from his district short. So collecting all
these wasted signatures from outside the district, what good did that do? Did they not do door-to-door
what district? Which one? You think there's a valid point here? There may be. If they have enough
signatures in the new district, I think they've got a fighting chance. You think what you're telling
me is you're still a shot. Come back with us. We are the Devil's Afghans. We can find guys joining us
this hour only. John Nichols from the nation from the cap time. Our friend got new stuff out
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And thank you for listening to the Devil's Ethicates radio show. You can always join us on the
lines of 844-967-2789. But a special today only. Well, today and tomorrow, right? Yeah, yeah.
We got Dominic here in Madison doing the early hour with us, WMDX 92.7. Better call your friends,
better tell them dirty dubs. The recall of Robin Faw sadly dead on a rifle. That is my
guess to men. But you're right. There could be a legal claim. There might be a carve out. There
might be just a smidge of a chance, a Hail Mary of a chance that somehow they find another
thousand voters that thought they were in Robin Vos's district. They've apparently come about
945 signatures short before they go lined by line and really dig in and start questioning.
I bet your Robin Vos has got the staff for it. We know he does. So I think this effort,
probably dead, dead on arrival, saddened speed. Okay, but let me let me throw something else at it.
Just as we're thinking about this issue. What a lot of ball in the middle of where I was transitioning to.
What about the circumstance would allow for, I don't know, someone like Will to come in and
file a lawsuit. I know. Wouldn't that be calling me? You know, we didn't intend to file a lawsuit
about the maps, but no, no. Now there is a actual legitimate question of law. Is it possible that
Robin Vos is behind the recall Robin Vos's effort? I mean, that's pretty conspiratorial, man.
That would be multi-level chess. That's her not to be true. I'm not saying it's not true,
but that would be some dark and dirty stuff. That would be some black magic stuff.
So here's here's my thought. No, I think it's probably bag of wackadoos behind the recall effort.
You know, they were out there before the maps were currently established.
But legitimately, I think there is a question of law that has been
opened this Pandora's box, this can of worms. And if this has any effect on the greater usage of
the maps this fall, I don't know where I got to burn it down, but I'm going to go burn it down, man.
Retarically on the radio, but I've burdened something. It's just something, you know, given
the what we've lived through the last 10, 15 years in the state, I think it's something we should
at least acknowledge a possibility of. Well, who would be the plaintiff here? Who would have to go
running off to the courts? I mean, Robin Vos is not going to sue to get this thing accepted.
He's happy with this outcome, right? The Wisconsin Elections Commission has said this recall
effort came up short. So he's not going to go sue. So it'll have to be the crazy mega wackadoos that
say we, and I think the number will have a better sense as they sort of parse out.
Are there other voters that fall in the new 63rd? Because there are new maps, old maps.
Well, they didn't have sufficient signatures under the old maps, but are there another
approximately 1,000 people that thought they should and therefore signed these petitions?
Because they want to see Vos out there potentially in the new Vos district. Well, that might
open up Pandora's. Well, whoever the plaintiff could be, whomever's recall vote is not counted
because they're out of the district. But let's think this through just a little bit further.
Go down this rabbit hole with me. Because of the timing of this recall election, right? Now you
got to give a primary. Potentially, I mean, you could have a democratic candidate. Let's not forget
the Dems had multiple candidates when it was time to try and recall Scott Walker. So you had a
primary and then you had a general, like a February primary, if I recall them, like a June general,
for the recall of Scott Walker. And ultimately Tom Barrett was the candidate that came through the
primary. But that took months to recall. I mean, it started in like November. And then
and that you print yours out like immediately immediately, like, mid 12 whole one print print.
Yeah, I wanted, I wanted to see this S will be recalled. And this was the effort and I was
up for this jackassery. And I signed it and I, you know, I've told the story. I'm not going to
tell this story again. But the whole point is, it was like six months from the time the recall
first ignited to the point where he was on the ballot. No, it's an actual election.
Well, if this were a successful attempt, A, if he hasn't met the standard of the old map,
they could just say, well, throw it out there. It's not going to, it's not going to be.
But if it meets the standard of the new map, yeah, if they don't meet the standard of either maps,
obviously done game, game, but either one of those leaves something up for question.
If cumulatively, they would meet the standard of the necessary signatures. Now we got a
quandary. And now could they delay the incorporation of the fall maps because you've got a recall
that's got to go through under the prior maps. You got to consolidate. You got to have a voting
district for Reb and Vos to go run for reelection and a recall. And he has the right to face his
accusers. But who would be the litigant? I mean, theoretically, Adam Steen, Janelle Branchin,
someone along those lines, any one of the petitioners who was recall signature was not allowed
based on old map, new map. You know, I mean, so that's a, yeah, so you could have a great
observation. You could have a live shock. You made it. You're welcome. I'm done here, folks. Thank you.
That's all I can do. That's it. Work is done. You know, you can be a part 844-967-2789.
I think the effort is dead. You know, who's not dead, though?
Barry Alvarez. You know, all right, glad to hear. I thought there were, I heard there's some rumors
going around. Rumors on the, at her wall, the inner worries. There you go. Barry's dead. I was happy
to hear, you know, the, the, what, what was the old Mark Twain line? And I believe Alvarez quoted
Twain when he said, the reports of my death are greatly exaggerated. They did a column at the
cap times to me. Apparently, Alvarez had to go out and declare he's alive. I'm not dead. I'm
getting better. I find this very humorous. Barry Alvarez, 77, apparently live in down in Florida.
And the new athletic director, Chris McIntosh called him. I got a call from Chris McIntosh.
Alvarez tells the story to the camp times. He said, man, am I glad to hear your voice.
There's something online that you'd passed away. You're dead.
Alvarez assumed a short pardon me. Thank you. You're welcome. How'd it gotten back to that?
I know. Alvarez assured him that was not the case. Where to go? I'm not dead yet.
I'm not dead yet. Justice Twain once did in the late 1800s after reading of his
own obituary in the newspaper. I would love to read my obituary down.
They did ask us for biographies. I feel like I wrote my obituary today.
I don't know where it came from, but someone put it out there on Twitter. Alvarez said
from his condo in Naples, Florida. Well, Florida is where people do go to die.
Both of our phones were blown up. But luckily, Alvarez more alive than the recall efforts
have been lost. Because those, I think those are dead.
Damn, great to see you. That was my spirit, man. I invited a friend. We catch John Nichols joining us
next live from DC. We'll have to ask him, why are you in DC, John Nichols? And he'll give us
some interesting story that may or may not be the real story. Because, you know, it's how you
collect business and stuff. Travel, right? You don't even know what a write-off is, Jerry?
Come back with us. The boys are back. Stop joining me early today. Do it a little extra
more. You'll be crammed later. I can tell. More of you on the phones, but not till after.
John 8-4-9-6-7-2-7-8-9.
Bring out your dearest one. No, I'm prince. I'm not dead. What? Nothing? Is he, no, I'm prince?
I'm not dead. Yeah. He says he's not dead. Yes, he is. I'm not. He isn't?
Well, he will be soon. He's very ill. I'm getting better. No, you're not. You'll be
stone dead in a moment. When they go low, we get high. The devil's advocates.
Look back, devil's advocates radio show thee. What is it Tuesday? It's only Tuesday. It's only
Tuesday. I got my little buddy, Dominic here with me for hour number one. We're joined by a fine
guest live via phone live from DC. He is John Nichols from the nation from the cap times.
John, welcome back. Hey, John. Hey, it's good to be with you both. You got that sort of like
smoky downbeat Tuesday bumper music going. Yeah. Well, grateful dead for you. Friend of the devil.
John Nichols, I just saw you at, I just saw you at Kamala Harris not so long ago. John here
in Madison, and we got the president coming up Milwaukee tomorrow, but you're on DC. What's the
occasion, John? Well, you know, I don't want to be here for too long. I came out to actually do
some stuff with the center of standards where, you know, because we had this book that came out
and our paperback is out now. And so we're doing some podcast and stuff like that and just,
you know, what you do when you have a book out, and you try and let people know it is available,
for their holiday gifting. You know, I've never written a book, John. So I don't know what that's
like, man. The book tours is, is Bernie a fun guy to party with.
Bernie is cool. No, this is a very important thing to understand. He has a very fun sense of
humor and he is a very easy guy to work with. You know, I think a lot of media is not always a
generous to him as they should be because he's very serious when he gets on the issues, right? If
he's talking about Gaza, if he's talking about healthcare for all, you know, he goes to the heart
of it. He doesn't joke around about it. So people just assume, you know, he's always on and
always serious. The reality is, yeah, he is kind of a fun guy to hang out with. We're both big
walkers. And so we go, we're on a book tour, we go for walks around the towns that we're in,
which is kind of a trippy thing because sometimes we will show up in a neighborhood and people
will be out doing lawn yard work or something like that and they'll look up and go, oh my gosh,
it's Bernie Sanders. Hey, John, so what's the name of the book and what's the subject of the book
and where can people get it if they want it? Let's get that all the way around the way.
It's the title is, it's okay to be angry about capitalism,
um, nice provocative title. Right. And uh, we thought that it would, you know, we thought maybe
that was a little risky as a title, but it turned out we ended up as number two on the New
York Times bestseller list right after Prince Harry. Um, so, you know, our next book is going to be
titled, it's okay to be angry about the royal family. Um, especially pictures. Yeah, yeah,
but at this point, um, yeah, you get to book anywhere. It's pretty much bookstores and, you know,
online and all that stuff. Encourage people to shop at their local bookstore. Yeah, Madison,
you know, Leopold's or, uh, Mr. and me or wherever, you know, wherever people buy books from a human
being, I like that the best. John Nichols from the nation, from the cap times here in Madison.
John, I don't know if you saw it, but uh, Joe Biden put out new financial propositions.
His budget. Yeah. And I thought it was a big budget, but it had a lot of progressive proposals
in there. Uh, John has Bernie given you any opinion and do you have any opinions on, on Joe Biden's
quote unquote progressive budget? Well, I won't speak too much for Senator Sanders. You can,
you can speak for himself, but I will tell you that, uh, it is my opinion that, um, somehow,
uh, every once in a while, Joe Biden is channeling his inner Franklin Roosevelt. Yeah. And, uh,
that's what this looks like. This is a tax to rich, uh, and use the money to, uh, secure social
security, Medicare, Medicaid, uh, education, healthcare. Uh, that's exactly what a budget ought to do,
right? A budget ought to, um, take money from those who've got a lot of it, right? And in a fair
and equitable way, make sure that that money goes to pay for the things that as a society we need.
And, um, and at this point, we do need, you know, assuring up with social security,
Medicare and Medicaid because Donald Trump is running around saying as he did Monday on CNBC
that, you know, he's open to quote unquote cutting entitlements. And so, um, I think what's
happening is that Biden is setting up his, uh, his decisions from Trump. But, you know, we're
getting a feel for how Biden is going to be running a very distinct campaign from Trump.
And it is going to be a more pop, economic, populist campaign. And why that's a big deal is
because that's the kind of campaign that Democrats can. Doesn't always mean that they will.
But it's a time, kind of campaign that Democrats can win big. And, uh, and I remind folks that
the last time that a president introduced a big, uh, wealth tax. And that's what this is from,
from Biden. It's a wealth tax. The last time that a president introduced a big wealth tax
in anticipation of an election, it was FTR back in 1935, 1936. And he went on to win the biggest
landslide in American political history and got a congress where three quarters of the seats were
held by Democrats. He was able to actually really implement the heart of the new deal. Uh, and in
fact, at that very time, create the beginning to develop social security. So I'm not saying Biden's
going to win that way. I think, you know, we're a more divided country. These are different times
and different candidates. But what I will tell you is that this is the kind of budget that Biden
should be running on. He should not be running on a, oh, I'm a little bit better than the Republicans
budget, right? That doesn't excite people very much. But a, I'm going to actually, you know,
find some revenues, find some resources and do a whole bunch of good things. Yeah, that's,
that's, that's what politics is supposed to be about. You're supposed to tell people,
there's a reason to vote for you. And this budget, I think, is in the, there's a reason to vote
for you category. Well, John, before we contrast with the prior administration, I have one question
about the, the big price tag, the, the added all up at the end, the $7.3 trillion. If we're expecting
revenues closer to five trillion, and I'm all down for, let's carve out some new revenues,
let's tax the rich. I'm down for that, John Nichols. I hope to be amongst those tax someday.
But yeah, you want to get a big tax bill. Yeah, we, we all do, right? I like the bagus and
everybody else. I want to be rich and get a big tax bill. But, but John, ultimately, is it good
politics to roll out the big price tag? Yeah, people don't like the big price tag. They get scared by it.
And that's appropriate, right? We don't want to run huge deficits. We don't want to run huge debts.
That's, that's not a smart move at the end of the day, because at some point, the economy might
be less stable than it is right now, less robust than it is, and things could catch up with you. So
you want to, you want to be, you know, somewhat fiscally responsible, somewhat prudent in, in doing that.
But you don't want to be so cautious that you fall into that austerity trap where you're doing cuts
even when you don't have to. And so what I would say about this budget is, yeah, I mean, you've got
to look at it for those spaces and places where you can find revenue, make sure that you don't
again run up debt. But as Stephanie Kelton and other economists have taught us, and in fact,
the current moment seems to suggest, when you invest, when you spend money at a reasonably
robust level at the federal government level, and also at the state level, it doesn't harm you.
It actually grows the economy. And so this is what you're looking for. You're looking for that,
that intersection, right? That perfect spot where governments spend at a decent amount, but that's
really priming the pump. It's making the economy stronger, more robust. And so then you get more
revenues coming in and the whole thing works. One thing I can assure you, however, is that our
Republican friends are not going to let Biden get everything he wants. That's a pretty good bet at
this point. And so you get that sort of dialectic, if you will, of American politics. The Democrats
propose big. The Republicans obviously try to cut that back. And the key in this is that for
somebody like Biden, he needs to be proposing big. If he goes cautious, if the Democrats are all
obsessed with not spending a lot of money and just being kind or gentle Republicans, we never really
move forward, right? We're always moving on the Republican agenda. And so it's good that Biden did
what he did. We know he will not get all that he wants. I mean, Speaker Johnson has made that
quite clear. But at least he's giving a perspective on what he would like to do. He would like Joe Biden
as president of the United States to tax the very, very rich, the billionaires and use that money
to make sure that Social Security and Medicare Medicaid are secure for the future.
On balance, I'd rather be running on that than what appears is going to be Trump's model,
which is don't tax the rich and start to cut Social Security and Medicare and Medicaid.
Folks, you're listening to the devil's advocates radio show. That's our friend John Nichols from
the Cap Times and the nation magazine. John, your piece in the Cap Times from earlier this month.
Is there anything the Supreme Court won't do for Trump? And I got to tell you, John, I don't know
if there is what do you think? There's no evidence that they have any filters on them, man.
There is, they are like, they're like, oh, you got a trial that might be problematic for you
because you might go to jail before the election. We'll delay the trial. And apparently delay it
for a very long time. Justice denied. You got a violation of the Constitution. Article 14,
Section 3 says you're not supposed to try and overthrow the results of an election and install
yourself as an illegitimate president. Well, we don't accept that. That's not yet a problem for us.
And so we've seen quite a few rulings of late where the Supreme Court basically does Donald Trump's
bidding. And that's the thing to understand. This is a partisan court. I wish I could say differently.
I wish I could give you a different perspective. But that's what it is. This is a court where
the majority is a partisan judicial activist, Kabal, appointed by Donald Trump and by
previous Republican presidents. They see it as their mission to protect and preserve Republican
majorities. This is what they did in 2020 when they had Bush v. Gore. We had a perfectly legitimate,
perfectly healthy recount going on in Florida if you'll recall in 2000. And they halted it. They
said, Oh, we don't want to know the actual results of the election. We're just going to declare it
done right now when George W. Bush is a little bit ahead with 537 votes. And we're going to make
a president in the United States. And that's that. And if we look back on it, I'm not sure that
their intervention in 2000 worked out all that well. And frankly, I'm not sure their interventions
right now are working out all that well. John, I hear what you're saying. I don't disagree. But
then I also wonder, you know, given the gravity of the situation, given the fact that we've never
had a former president, you know, indicted and convicted and perhaps could potentially go to jail.
And as history looks back on it, giving the former president every opportunity, every,
every chance that they can, because I can't imagine that this Supreme Court is going to acknowledge
and accept the fact that that a president has unlimited immunity to do anything they want. Because
if that's the case, I think Biden's going to be the one calling seal team six. So do you think
the gravity and the history is impacting this or is it just peer partisanship?
That's a little bit of both. And the justice is they're different, right? The clearance
time has shown a lot of evidence of peer partisanship on a regular basis. You look at the record,
you know, this guy ought to be recusing himself from all sorts of cases for a whole bunch of reasons.
But then you've got people like, and I'm going to, this may be the only time I say this,
Amy Coney Barrett, who on a couple of these recent rulings and a couple of these recent issues,
she has distinguished herself, especially on the 14.3 insurrection clause issue. She did seem
to suggest and had a concurrence, which seemed to suggest she thought the court was going too far,
right, that it was kind of carrying up parts of the Constitution. And so I've covered the court
for a very, very long time. I can tell you that there are internal dynamics which keep developing
and redeveloping. My sense is that John Roberts would like this court to have legitimacy.
And he's looking for a ally on the conservative side. There's only three liberals. And so
you got to get two conservatives to make anything happen. And I think it may well turn up to be
on that immunity issue, right, that blanket immunity issue. And that's a good thing. I mean,
we should celebrate that. But don't celebrate too much. I mean, don't go party in all night because
the fact of the matter is that that's just one little issue. I mean, it's a big issue of
matters, but it's only one of the many issues that are coming before the court and most of them
they're wrong. John, I got a confession to make on behalf of the panel. We do intend to party all
nights here. I anticipated no less knowing you pretty well and having watched you at the Kamala
Harris event where you were, you know, like after we're at the free bar. I was discouraged by the
cash bar nature. No, John Nichols, our friend. Thanks for coming to Ron. John will catch up.
Safe travels back from DC, sir. Thanks, John. All right. I appreciate being with you.
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the lines of 844-967-2789. Did you call for this, sir? Was this just serendipity?
The official road trip band of across Wisconsin Van Hill and planned. Is that all you wait
one two or fifty one two? You know, we have these deep deep thoughts when we're out on the road.
With the devil's advocates. We do it for you people. Now, I've been seeing lots of Joe Biden.
Oh, yeah. And yeah, lots of Joe Biden. I watched the news time. Yeah.
Oh, is that where you see that? When you, when you watch the local news, you're
targeted with the political ads. And Joe Biden's up in a big way. And I like to see it.
I spend a lot of money, man. Like 30 million or something. That's what I understand.
We made a lot after that state of the union. The campaign doing okay for right? Yeah, right.
No, no civil lawsuits. It's got to pay up. No, no attorneys fees. Yeah, it's amazing how much you
can spend on campaign ads when you're not defending yourself in court constantly. But here's my point.
Yes. I'm not sure if this is just a blip on the radar because kind of sort of Wisconsin soon
to be up on the primary clock. April 2nd, right? Oh, I got a register.
Register on game day. Oh, man, I don't want to mess around. It's like showing up in the parking
lines and sculpting some tickets. It's easier. It's easier than that time. It will not be a problem
for you. Okay. Thank you. I assure you. Okay. I get a new license too. You got a moldy dough.
Ah, it's in my wife's name. I got a mortgage statement, though. So I can use that.
Well, can you say not only wait until the last minute, you know, given the circumstances
and everyone then yelling at me, Dom didn't go vote again. So I got again. I didn't go vote
last time. Oh, whatever. The last time. Right. Yes. The last time. But yes, the primary election.
Yes. You did not vote in the spring primary. Correct. And if you don't go re-register, you will
not be voting in the spring partisan primary, presidential partisan primary slash general election.
You know, it's funny, uh, Vicki McKinna, righty whitey-talk radio host, your girl.
Your girl. Yeah. Your girl. That she loves me. She does. Um, I heard her
bemoaning the fact the MPF's referendum that will be on the ballot. Oh, Milwaukee does. I will
be voting on that. Well, too important for a spring ballot in her opinion. And, you know,
she had an expert. She had Sheriff David A. Clark Jr. Right. Shotgun. All right. So they're
pontificating about the fact that it's pitchforks and torches time in America. But spring elections,
that's not when you make these important school referendum decisions. But of course, it typically is
that that is when the very, very civically minded come out and decide whether or not the schools
are funded spring elections. Well, that comes up April 2nd. My question is,
is that why Joe Biden started to play at the airwaves or can we expect this all the way to
Oh, I remember. I think it's all the way, man. You don't think there's going to be a draper?
Ah, no, not a swing state like Wisconsin when the money's flowing. And this is, this is where we're at.
No, I highly doubt it. Do you see the special prosecutor? And I want to go here in our number two.
We don't tell the other. So if they didn't join, we don't tell them, well, just pretend like it's
our one again. All right, all right. But the Robert her, the, uh, the special prosecutor they called
Joe Biden old. The guy that resigned before he gave testimony. Well, it's a little safe for them.
Isn't it though? That's, that's very convenient. My understanding is he was
aided by mega world and resigning at the proper time before he had to go give testimony.
Really, he needed mega advice to decide when to resign before giving testimony versus just
resigning yourself before you give testimony. The company you keep, uh, I've often been accused of
making bad associations mostly on the radio. You tell me about it, man. Uh, so we've got lots of
sound of that. And of course, the failed recall effort. I, I don't know if we'll have many more
opportunities to talk about the failed recall effort of Rob Voss. I'm very disappointed about Wisconsin's
assembly leader early grievance. This, this one's got, got under my skin. You were so very happy
about it yesterday. And now you just like so bummed out. The highs are so high, but the lowest
are so low. Isn't wrong that I find that amusing that you take Glee and, and in your emotional
rollercoaster, I mean, I'd like to be a part of it, man. I mean, well, fortunately, I call you
often and drag you into it every day on the radio. You know, you know how I am. You don't want
for the, for the uninitiated. You want no part of this rollercoaster, right? That is my life.
The ups, the downs, the laughing, the crying, right? But mostly, mostly, damn, let's be honest.
The whimper. Oh, what? The crying yourself to sleep at night? I was going to say the angry outburst.
You know, there's a fair number of those mixed in for good measure. I mean, you got it. You got
it. You got to, you got to, you people make me angry sometimes. You can't, you can't keep it in,
man. You got it. You got to let it out once in a while. Bob, we've worked on there yet, but Bob
from Madison's been patient. Welcome, Bob. You're the first one today. Oh, what do you want to talk about?
Hey, Bob. Oh, okay. I want to talk about the hearing this morning, the, the, uh, the, uh,
testimony. Uh, he came across pretty clean, uh, and, and, and relatively impartial, uh, through most
of the stuff, but nobody goes on, says, I'm a hack. Believe me. I'm a hack. No one ever,
no one ever, it's like going on a first date, man. You know what, show her your real sight or
she'd never date you again, Bob. Sounds goody. Well, yeah, yeah, yeah, but here's the thing.
Somebody read the transcript that just came out this morning and a democratic woman, uh, hit, hit,
hit on out of the park. He claims that his, uh, faulty memory, Biden's faulty memory is largely
based on the fact that he doesn't remember the year that his son died. And it turns out,
in the transcript, that he, he, he does, doesn't remember the year, but he says May 30th.
So how does that show a bad memory? It shows bad faith reporting of the situation to me as
what it shows. Bob, that's an excellent point. I don't recall what your, our friend Bob died,
but I know it was April 20th, right? April 21st, technically 19th or 20th. Yeah. Yeah. Uh, that,
that rings true to me for that reason. Well, it's also pretty emotional, man. You know, I mean,
some people will, it will be burned in their mind forever. Uh, you know, my dad passed away three,
four years ago. I mean, I remember was in March. What was year was it? 19, 20? Uh, you know,
what a waste of time today. This whole hearing, these Republican, the mega's trying to what?
The guy, uh, Joe Biden not charged, apparently not exonerated either. I mean, what, what's that all
about? But what, what a waste of time. Hey, there's no, there's no getting around it. Everyone knows
that mold. I mean, Joe's got a campaign out ad right now, acknowledging that fact. Would
you rather be old or be a fascist? Let me ask you, would you rather outlive cruelty,
knowing all these gaps in your memory you'll never have filled without me? Or would you rather
I outlive you? Cause at least I would remember you existed. I'm not live forever. I would tell the
stories over and over the glory days. Come back, the glory days are today.
