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Now live from the civic media studios in Madison, Wisconsin, where the political party is
just beginning, welcome to the devil's advocates radio show.
Friends proving it's never personal, only politics.
Now here's your host, Dom and Krut.
Welcome to the devil's advocates radio show.
Dom will join at four, I got Batman, Matt Rothschild.
He's joining at 330, I've been missing Matt, so we're bringing him out of retirement
and he's coming down to the WMDX 92.7 FM studios and he'll join me at 330 and we're
going to talk some local politics and reminisce and catch up and you can call.
Be a part, say hi to Matt, 844, 967, 2789, but the exciting news.
She's coming to Madison, vice president, Kamala Harris coming to Madison next week and
I got to tell you, it's a political junkie, I'll put in my credentials early.
I feel more confident that Kamala Harris's team will allow yours truly in than my recent
forays trying to show up at Trump events.
And I've been to a dozen or more Trump events, but they don't like me anymore, which, you
know, unless the guy wins the presidency, I'm pretty okay with Kamala Harris.
Here is what's being reported at the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel VP Kamala Harris will
visit Madison coming up my town next week to highlight the Biden administration's efforts
to promote union job growth and apprenticeship programs, continuing a parade of stops in
Wisconsin from top administration officials ahead of the 2024 election.
In Harris plans to deliver her remarks in Madison on Wednesday, bet your ass I'll be there.
She will be joined by acting secretary of labor, Julie Sue, a Harris aid told the Milwaukee
Journal Sentinel and her message will focus in part on fighting for workers advancing
economic opportunity and building a strong economy for all Americans.
Now the White House did not immediately release additional details of the trip.
As soon as we get some, we'll share them with you, our fair audience.
No, we're not going to keep secrets from you.
Versus visit will be the latest in a string of recent activity in Wisconsin for top White
House officials over the last few months.
She last visited the state in January.
I was there.
I went for you guys, so you know what was happening and kicked off her nationwide tour, focused
on abortion access in Waukeshaw County, traditionally a Republican stronghold.
Yeah, that's a week.
Got WAUK going.
That same week, President Joe Biden visited superior.
No, I didn't make that trip.
That's a hell of a drive.
No, I wasn't going to tout recent investments in first lecture and treasures treasury secretary
Janet Yellen.
She did the Milwaukee thing to highlight investments in skilled labor training.
So what else?
What else can I tell you at the scheduled Wednesday visit in Madison, Harris is expected
to similarly tout the administration.
And here's their quote, I'm going commitment to expanding registered apprenticeship programs.
You know, we've got some interns, do they count over here at civic media, you know, or
more accurately over here at devil radio, we got some young guys helping us out.
Anyways, we'll get back to that.
The visit underscores the political importance of Wisconsin, yes, critical, a critical swing
state as it's written here that could prove the tipping point and determining who wins
the White House in November.
And the Biden Harris campaign recently beefed up its staff in the state and Biden and
his team have made a concerted effort to highlight the strong and growing economy to voters
in Wisconsin and across the country who remain skeptical of that improvement.
It's getting better, it's getting better, check it out, although I got to tell you the overnight
inflation of the gas, that's not necessary.
Quick trip overnight 24 hours, jack gas like 30 cents a gallon, it's like really quick
trip, just because you got a monopoly, you're going to stick it to the consumers.
I find those practices bother some anyways, still Wisconsin nights perception, perception
of the economy have appeared to improve slightly over the last four months, yes, because
it's getting better.
The market university law poll from last February found 38% of registered voters describing
the economy as excellent or good, while 62% said that's all good or poor.
In a previous poll, put those numbers at 27 and 73%.
So getting better, not great, but in part, I think the vice president coming obviously
to accentuate the positive, right, talk about the good stuff and that's why she's coming
and we will bring you more details when they become more widely available.
But here's a little insight, I would really like the VP to feel welcomed here in Dane
County in Madison.
And I need your help and I need some creative advice over the lunch hour, I spitballed
with my 17 year old, he's one of the aforementioned interns over here, devil radio, but trying
to come up with a good idea of how to welcome the vice president.
And of course, here on the radio, I'm going to welcome her here, call me Kamla 844-967-2789
for any of you.
You know, you'd fall behind the vice president, but you can all call it 844-968-968-968-968-768-868-65898-988-86 Help
you know, the political party starts a little earlier these days, 3-6, but anyways, got some
billboards, digital billboards, I mean, bragging a little bit, sort of a big investment, hopefully
a worthy expenditure, an investment in the greatest radio show ever because now is the
time.
It's been a long time since we cared about what we put out there, and what I mean by that.
Of course, we care about what we put on the airwaves, but you know, sort of the owning
of the resistance radio and the devil radio and the other machinations of civic media.
Well, I think there were all great things, and I love the fact that Sage has built this
thing.
It has diminished my ability to selflessly promote the devil's advocates, the greatest
radio show ever, so hence the expansion of three hours time's going to join as often
as possible for this hour, but tell your friends, and I'm trying to help you by, you know,
renting, buying some digital billboards for the next couple of months.
And as fate would have it, there's some flexibility from the vendors.
Thank you, Adam Soutor, and we could change the message to greet the vice president
coming next Wednesday.
And then the question, of course, is, but what do we say?
And you know, we're kind of snarky around here.
I don't know if you've noticed, but I'm a little sarcastic, occasionally.
And you know, I would like to somehow include sort of a snarky tone, you know, not to be
rude to the vice president.
You know, just to sort of reflect our personalities, our sensibilities, if you will.
And so it's got to be a little snark.
It can be a visual representation.
It is a digital billboard.
I'm hoping the guys down there are willing to change the whole image for us.
We've been, you know, flashing the billboards out there on the belt line and wadakie into
forest and out in sunrise.
So we're trying to expose more people to the greatest radio show ever.
And you can help me a tell people about the greatest radio show ever.
Please tell them three hours now, three to six, same as it ever was, same as it always
should be.
And then also, please, please help me come up with some sort of clever snarky greeting
for the vice president.
What should we say to welcome Kamala to our fair city, the Madison right here.
So the phone lines, I'm going to keep them open, toll free and all that kind of stuff.
844-967-2789, 844-967-2789.
Or if the boss is watching, you may also utilize the text line.
Same number.
It's a little easier if you have that shiny, super cool civic media app.
Devils Avkits, we're in the self-promotion business.
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So look for the billboards and then give us a call, help us figure out how to welcome
the vice president.
She's coming to Madison, my hometown next Wednesday.
Also, we've got a fine cavalcade of guests on this big show.
I got Matt Rothschild, Batman, joining me very soon at 330.
So, you know, your suggestions appreciated sooner than later, if you know what I'm saying.
Again, 844-967-2789, so Matt Rothschild joining me here in the WMDX studios.
And then later in the big show, Dom's going to join it for
and the incomparable bill press, you remember bill press?
All you guys, back when there was a Mike in Madison, you know, turn it left all the way.
Well, bill press was the morning guy and bill press was part of crossfire
and it's done many, many media things throughout the course of his many years
in this industry.
And, you know, he wears his age well.
I don't know how bill is, but he wears it well.
He is a very dynamic dude and love bill and saw bill in DC not that many months ago.
And I heard bill press and Dom went skinny dipping in the fountains in Rome one time.
So I'll bring that up to him as well.
Remind him about his public nakedness in the fountains.
Devil's Savcets Radio Show.
I know for sure.
I would like the vice president to join us on the big show when she's in Madison.
That'd be greatly appreciated.
I know she's been on Earl show like three times.
I helped produce one of the segments that Earl had the vice president.
I welcomed her to the Earl Ingram show.
Oh, man, a vice president.
Hold on, Earl's been expecting you.
Come on, call me 844 9672789.
Maybe if we welcome her properly with a digital billboard, courtesy of the Devil's
Savcets, maybe she'd consider joining me next Wednesday when she's in town.
Right up here, 202 State Street, but you in the meantime, help me.
Be clever.
Call me 844 9672789.
How do we welcome the vice president properly?
Devil style.
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Three to six.
New and improved 50% more of me.
So tune in earlier, tell your friends.
And you know, help me decide how to welcome the vice president here to Madison.
She's coming next Wednesday, Madison coming up my hometown.
844 9672789 Matt Rothschild joining me very shortly here in studio WMDX 92.7 FM studios.
Just saw some young folk out here on State Street Nate.
They were looking up kind of pointing like, hey, is that an old man doing radio up there?
Soon it will be a two old man me and band band.
Dominic joins at four Bill press joining at 430.
And soon come in Monday, specifically, we're going to place some inside baseball.
These new legislative maps, well, perhaps they pretend legislative
majority is for the Democrats.
And I want to do the inside baseball.
I got to get myself educated just so you are fair audience can be educated.
We'll get the experts in and you can just listen along and learn with me.
I learn on the radio almost each and every day.
So often the audience points me in the right direction.
Sometimes not so far in the billboard then again, the number 844 9672789.
I guess none of you have any desire to snarkly welcome the vice president here to Madison.
So, you know, I'm a little disappointed in some of you.
But the election maps, I'm very excited to welcome the ultimate insider.
Chuck Kuala in the studio coming on pardon me Monday.
He's going to come at 330 and we're going to get all specific about some of the new changes
day in County right here in my backyard.
And then we're going to turn around the state in the four o'clock hour.
Well, we'll welcome down the long and we'll play the inside baseball.
We'll talk about what races could be key races, but I'm looking at you, Appleton.
So anyways, Chuck Kuala on Monday, Bill Press, later in the show,
that will be a long for the last two hours.
And again, Matt Rothschild soon.
But let's talk about the pitting of incumbents against each other.
Because this is why I want to talk to Matt Rothschild about in part.
But the new legislative maps.
And I'm going to read date line Madison,
journal sentinel. I know the audience loves when I read.
Redrawing Wisconsin's legislative boundaries is creating a shakeup within the two chambers
of the state legislature with a state of lawmakers choosing to retire or run a new district
to avoid competing against fellow incumbents.
You know, that's the part I kind of like about it.
Now the reshuffle comes after democratic governor Tony Evers signed into law new legislative maps
after Republican lawmakers agreed to pass them as a last resort to avoid having the liberal
controlled Wisconsin Supreme Court write new legislative boundaries.
Feeling better all the time, I'm just throwing out crudey's two cents worth now.
Feeling better all the time that maybe these maps are going to stick.
Why? Because the deadline rapidly approaching March 15th.
And B, because now these lawmakers are starting to cast themselves in their new
districts. No one's holding back like, ah, you know, I'm going to see what happens before I
get out the real estate for sales science. Some people have to move.
Let's talk about it. Center Howard Mark line that Republican from spring green.
There have been a big fan.
W R C E listeners in Richland Center. A little bit later we'll join us.
And anyways, they should know.
Mark line has been repositioned or at least that's the likely outcome of the new maps.
Mark line a Republican from spring green who represented the 17th Senate district for nearly
10 years. Now that used to be Dale Schultz district. And I like Dale Schultz.
He was a twice elected Republican majority leader twice selected majority leader of his party.
You know, the the new phone Trump mega Republicans,
bare no resemblance to Dale Schultz. But Howard Mark line he's been down for some of the,
let's just say developers wants. And he actually cast those things like developers pay him.
He doesn't remember who but they get him campaign cash. And then he sets water policies.
In my backyard, even though his district, his current one, doesn't touch the county.
So I've always found him to be, you know, a little unbearable. And he is what the co-chair of
the joint finance committee. But Mark line Southwest Wisconsin district, his long been,
has been a long held target of Democrats. And he is with stood expensive challenges thus far.
And Mark line didn't respond to the, you know, the papers interview requests. At the same time,
the new district boundaries have pushed some Republican incumbents who are now paired together in
one district to move residences. Oh, that's going to hurt. Republican incumbents would be paired in
15 districts, while Democrats are paired into, according to analysis by the journal Sentinel,
four districts feature a Democrat and Republican both as incumbents. There's always an
advantage to incumbency folks. And in the Senate, 13 incumbents paired together in the assembly.
There are 30 Democratic, Democratic and Republican incumbents grouped in the same district.
That's a lot of competitive races, let's say folks. It's been a long time coming.
Now, Senator Rob Cole, who was on the ballot in the fall, said he's looking for a new home
in order to compete again in the second Senate district. Man's got to move. They moved his
district on him. Question Mark, the new map pits him against two fellow Senate Republican
incumbents in the Green Bay area. Cowell's Andre Jacques and Eric Wimberger now reside in the new
30th Senate district, which leans slightly Democratic. And Cowell said he's looking at
housing farther to the west in order to continue to stay in the second Senate district,
which is solidly Republican under the new plan. I've heavily now worked in my new district
in a variety of ways. I like to continue this for a while. Continue to what? Serve the people?
I didn't see these serving out the people in there, but anyways, I feel pretty good about it.
Of course, I don't like it, but I'll deal with it. You said about moving. Now, Wimberger told the
Marinette Eagle heraldi plans to run in the new 30th Senate district. Well, Jacques is considered
running in the eighth congressional, because Mike Elgers leaving the Congress, right? Andre Jacques
for Congress, maybe. I could think of some fine Democratic candidates. I'm not going to throw
them all out there. A few of still considering having made a hard choice, but there was better
than Andre Jacques to represent the eighth and to avoid a Republican primary against a more
senior Senate Republican, Republican Senator Dan Canodal, that's Tom Senator, guy, just one,
but the special election, right? He represents the northern suburbs of Milwaukee.
Well, he's going to take a step backward and run in the legislature's lower house.
He's going to run for Chanel branch and seat in the assembly.
Well, what about branch? I mean, you know, assuming she's not criminally convicted by that,
because as we've seen, the FA once been watching the whole Trump thing in the Supreme Court,
the wheels of justice move quite slowly sometimes. We like it when it moves a little quicker,
but not too quick. Three hours worth each and every day. Same as it ever was, more devil's
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I got a code devil. He is Matt Rothschild, affectionately known as Batman from formerly the Wisconsin
democracy campaign. Now, fresh out of retirement. Yeah, you drag my sorry back in from the bullpen,
man. You drag me out. Yeah, I haven't done radio until today for a long, long time, but it's
always great to be here. Yeah, I've been enjoying retirement. I retired June 30th of the last year
and have spent a lot of time just, you know, in the backyard getting rid of invasive species
like buckthorn and honeysuckle. I used to tell my wife, if I ever talk in public about getting rid of
a honeysuckle or buckthorn, you can shoot me and by now she must have shot me a thousand times
because that's all I do. Well, at least my poor wife and my whole life comes through the
prison of lefty talk radio. So I'm sure she's heard a few of my stories. Oh, man,
politics. And though, man, you got to be paying attention on some level. Oh, I'm paying
attention. I mean, I was just thrilled to death about ending gerrymandering and Wisconsin getting
fair maps. I mean, that was something that I poured a lot of time into my friends at the Wisconsin
democracy campaign and colleagues at the over the Wisconsin fair maps coalition just spent years
and years and years banging our head against the wall wondering if we're ever going to get to
victory. And here we got to victory. And Evers outplayed the Republicans on it and forced the
Republicans finally to sign on to his own map, which was just kind of an awesome end play. And
we're getting much fairer maps than we had before. You know, there's going to be so fair that
I want to be surprised if Robin Voss decides not to run again. That's how fair they're going to be.
Hmm. So you think there could be some intrigue? Are you convinced that this is the final
machination that these maps are final? Or do you think there is some chance that Wisconsin
Institute for Law and Liberty or some agent of the right still goes running off to let's say
Diane Sykes in the seventh and and hopes to catch a favor of both judge and estate?
It's much less likely now than had the Wisconsin Supreme Court impose the maps. I mean, once the
legislature itself passed Evers' maps and Evers signed them, I think they have much less of a
leg to stand on. So I never say never, but it looks pretty good. Are you encouraged by the fact
that we now see Republicans threatening to move in the different districts and they're strategizing
they're, you know, where they're going to run in the fall? Yeah. Well, they know that these maps
are final for the fall. I can't see anything coming in and changing them for this fall. It's just
the calendars too tight. And again, I think with the legislature doing it, as opposed to Wisconsin's
Supreme Court, it's not going to happen that fast. So there may be a challenge down the road after
this election. But right now, as you say, you see, you know, one Republican assembly person filing
against another assembly person branch and maybe in trouble. A lunch, Fallonius rep,
Janelle branching. Well, she, Matt, you must miss the radio on days like the day when the news
broke, uh, that the Trump campaign and Janelle branching was coordinating without party
Republican county parties to funnel money back into the recall effort or at least the, the,
the primary effort against Robert Voss through the Adamstein campaign. And, you know, the Wisconsin
ethics commission says, you know, investigate and charge these people with felonies, Matt.
Yeah. I mean, there was a limit on what you could give to Steens campaign. I think it was
under $2,000 or right around like a thousand dollar cap. I mean, simply, yeah, it's $1,000. It's
2000, I think for a state Senate. So, uh, the steen people and the Trump people were saying, well,
let's get rich people to give a lot more than that. $1,000 is pennies. We need more than that. So
just give unlimited donations to the, to the local county parties. And then the local county
parties can give unlimited amounts to candidates. But you can't do it by saying here, we're just
gonna wire this through you guys and laundry through you. No, they put 63 on the line instead of
because Scott Walker asked. I mean, didn't it have some, some reminisces, uh, some, some, uh,
echoes of the John Dole? Yeah, totally. I mean, so the John Doe 2 investigation was an investigation
of Scott Walker who had, uh, apparently broken the law in Wisconsin that was on the books at the
time, which said, if you're a candidate for office, you cannot coordinate with an outside group.
And Walker was coordinating with Wisconsin Club for Growth and going all around the country,
telling people, uh, to donate six figure seven figures to Wisconsin Club for Growth. And then,
you know, they would, uh, listen to Walker and Walker's aides about how to use that money during
the campaign. So there was clear coordination going on until the Wisconsin Supreme Court,
which was then dominated by conservatives, gave Walker a get out of jail free card by saying
the first amendment of the U.S. Constitution forbids the state of Wisconsin from banning
coordination between candidates and outside, uh, so-called issue advocacy groups. Um,
and the first amendment, uh, doesn't say that the U.S. Supreme Court has never said that.
Actually, it has said the opposite of that, essentially. But anyway, they got away with it.
Walker got away with it. And he, uh, so what, what happened was Gabelman and some of the other
right wing Wisconsin Supreme Court justices, uh, they not only said that about that bizarre
interpretation of the first amendment, they told the special prosecutor to take a hike. They
fired the special prosecutor and, uh, and, and, and, and, and had that case dropped.
Matt Rothschild, Pat Mann, formerly of the Wisconsin democracy campaign current friend,
I would hope absolutely. Uh, Matt, this was a floating of even the Wild West, the, the, the,
the last remnants of campaign finance laws we have here in the state of Wisconsin. There's not a lot.
But what's there was just completely floated by these actions by branching in the steam campaign.
And, uh, it's ironic to me and, and the echoes of, of the John Doe Walker,
because when it was Scott Walker's campaign doing it, it was super okay. And the Wisconsin
Supreme Court, as you mentioned, just basically buried it and said burn the evidence.
But if it happens to rob and boss, it's much more problematic. And I think it was like the
perfect storm, because the left is down for good governance for the, you know, for the
most part, I should say. And the fact that Robin Voss was being targeted by the mega right by
these rigged elections, by these efforts to float and go around campaign finance laws, because
Robin Voss was the air quotes victim. I think it was the perfect storm. And, you know, you,
you got to buy partisan action and, and the harsh assessment, felonies, felonies.
And two of the three, I think it was five to one at the Wisconsin ethics commission with two of
the three Republicans saying a Republican appointees saying, yeah, we should have a prosecution here.
Well, Matt Rothschild, let me ask you about the, the other prosecution that's been far too
long to lay it. What about the fake electors here in the state of Wisconsin, the former Republican
party chair, Andrew hit goes running off the 60 minutes. I saw poor me. The Trump, the Trump
base would have come after me if I was the one that would have prevented him from overturning
the election by not signing off on this. No caveats. The guy's a lawyer. He's not dumb. No caveats
like they had in Pennsylvania. No clarifying language. Just in case we're only here as substitute
electors. None of that was in there. And, and then they're all doped. They're all for us. I,
I met him. You've been watching him in the. I watched it. Yeah. I thought it was kind of pathetic.
And he was just, he was saying his best defense was I'm an idiot. And I'm a wini. I mean,
basically, that sort of undermines what he does for a living. I'm not sure it doesn't get clients
either, but it was all he's got at this point. At least at the end, he said, you know, we should
invoke for Trump. Trump's not qualified to be president again. I was glad he added that at the
end, but it was his way for wiggling out. He's, he did seem uncomfortable with the role that he
played historically here, even before the 60 minutes thing. I know we cooperated with the
investigation on Capitol Hill. So, you know, I don't think our AG who's been just so slow on
picking this up. Josh, call, where are you? You know, he hasn't gone after the fake electors. Maybe
he's going after cheese, bro, and troopers now. I don't know. I don't think he's going to indict
the false electors, but it's played be too full to charge Janelle branching because I'm not sure
if local investigators are going to pick this pit mantle up either. I mean, he should. I mean,
I've been wondering, you know, where Josh calls been the last three years. And certainly the
branching stuff coming from the Wisconsin ethics commission should give him a heads up that he
should do it or, or the DA here in Madison could do it too, or down where branching district is,
the DA down there, who's probably a Republican. It's a Republican territory. But look, we need
accountability for the people who are floating our election laws, who are allegedly breaking the
laws as, you know, branching was allegedly breaking. And as the false electors, the 10 false
electors admitted that they did something wrong, admitted that actually Biden won the election
here in Wisconsin. Cheese, bro, and troopers who were advising the false electors here in Wisconsin,
you know, they can be investigated too by Josh call. And so it's always been a surprise to
me that he hasn't done it. You know, what has he got to lose? Where is he? What's he doing?
Now, Claire Matt Rothschild, you're right here with me in the WMDX 92.7 FM studios.
Nice studios haven't been up here. I know. I like the fact that you can see humanity out the
window. And nice ambient light, you know, that combination. It's great. People, if you ever want to
come see me, just bring cookies for me and Matt. So Matt, the fact that Wisconsin and this shouldn't
be a shacker because Wisconsin is always seemingly at the eye of the hurricane. Whenever there's
malfeasance, bad governance, we're always seemingly right there in the mix because we are a swing
state. Of course, we've we've lived the history of Scott Walker and all the machinations of his
bad governance. But the cheese bro guy and the fact that this guy went to the Michigan prosecutors
and basically made a self-serving confession of sort apparently. Cheesebroke was the architect
of the fake electoral scheme. And by all indications, this thing came out of Wisconsin.
Wisconsin was the origination point. And then it was replicated across multiple jurisdictions,
across multiple state lines and very few caveats, very few disqualifier saying this was
anything other than a legitimate effort to offer a alternative slate of electors. Any of
their what confused the vice president or confused the American people enough that you could throw
it back to state legislatures. And they said it was in case the courts ruled that there were some
improprieties, but the Wisconsin Supreme Court just hours before the Wisconsin electors signed their
bogus statement. The Wisconsin Supreme Court threw out the last challenge by the Trump administration.
So we're well aware that this was not a legitimate alternative legal claim being upheld through
some sort of statutory paperwork. This was effectively a criminal conspiracy. And the other
thing that I think is not talked about publicly, not really hammered in the in the press,
you know, I know I do sort of this advocacy radio thing, but Ron Johnson's pretty complicit in
totally. I mean, he was trying to hand off the Wisconsin and Michigan bogus slate of electors
to the vice president minutes before the start of the electoral college and January six.
And she's broke even in the later revelations to the to the apparently Michigan's AG's office,
the Nassau's office, further implicated our buddy, Ron Johnson, because that's the point where they
got, you know, the false Wisconsin and Michigan electors had to be what personally delivered and
there was a meeting at the Russell or, well, I guess first it was at the Longworth congressional
building. And then they had to take them over to the Russell office building where Ron Johnson's
office is located. But it was all very convoluted. And I mean, I don't know why we don't see any
charges there. You know, instead we're talking about a US Supreme Court, maybe the laying
president Trump or former president Trump's trial over the question of absolute immunity,
which is a ridiculous thing. Oh, that decision yesterday really, really, you know, sent me back.
I mean, this, it looks like there's going to be no accountability for this guy on January six,
prior to the big elections coming up. And, you know, I'm angry still at Merrick Garland for
just dragging his feet so long. I mean, he could have hired Jack Smith on January 22nd of 2021.
He didn't have to wait two years or wherever long, two and a half years to hire this guy or hire
somebody else who could prosecute the case. Man, they need some street fighters. I thought
Jack Smith would be a street fighter. And perhaps he will be. But first he has to get his
day in court. His posture isn't. Well, clearly, he's Matt Rothschild. He's retired from his
vigilante street fighting for good governance days, but he comes in to visit me occasionally.
Be nice if I had a cookie to offer you. I bet I could find something to kitchen. I'll bring some
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Welcome back. Devil's advocates. Thursday edition. I got Batman in studio. He is Matt
Rothschild, formerly of the Wisconsin democracy campaign. Now of
fruitful retirement. Rural Dean County. That's something to look forward to for some of us.
I actually intend to die at the microphone. Sooner or later, it's about to happen, right? Rough
fucking all that. Oh, man, I may it not be for decades. Please, please not for a while. I got
bills. I got to pay tuition. They're starting to come to you. Matt, I've been as optimistic
about perhaps the future of Wisconsin politics as I have been in some time due to these maps.
And I think that's a credit to the state of Wisconsin. I think in some part, it's a credit
or a discredit to the U.S. Supreme Court. And they're abortion ruling, overturning Roe v. Wade.
I think it certainly woke up the electorate. And people here in the state of Wisconsin, women,
especially, they've been outrage. The protests say what's election, the double digit win of the
Wisconsin Supreme Court race. And I think that somehow Brad Schimmings. Yeah, Brad Schimmel.
I confuse him and the corrupted old radio dog who's now the head of the Republican party.
And he's a little complicit in the J6 himself, Mr. Schimmings. And I like the guy, but I'm thought,
yeah, you know, I kind of hold it against you, Brian. But Brad Schimmel apparently going to take
a run at the court. It's going to go out against the good Brad Lee and Walsh Bradley. But, Matt,
do you think we'll get anything looking close to a legislative majority?
You know, I think it's possible. The real question is Biden. And, you know, is does he have
co-tails? Or does he have led cement shoes? That's the question whether he will, you know,
sink some Democrats. I mean, I think Tammy is going to lead the way here.
Is she the top of the ticket then? Is she effectively the head of the Wisconsin Democratic Party?
You're right. Her co-tails. I would. I mean, I think Tammy Baldwin is the most successful Democratic
official here statewide. Mark Polkan is great to hear and in Dane County in the second
congressional. But Tammy Baldwin, you know, gets more votes than anybody when she runs.
She wins by a bigger margin. She, you know, she knocked off Tommy Thompson, the legend here in Wisconsin.
And so I was a little surprised by that a few years ago. And Tammy has seemed somewhat unbeatable
since then. Certainly, Leah Vookmer put up no particular nurse ratchet, as I'd like to call her,
put up no particular competition. And begs the question, what about the, the porn stashy old
Laguna Beach multi-millionaire Eric Haudenville? What do you think of this man's chances?
I don't think of he's got a shot against Tammy Baldwin, unless, unless Biden is really sinking.
He's up on advertising already. I mean, you know, Wisconsinites don't love the out of state
multi-multi-millionaire. And he's a really easy. Maybe some less harsh version of Tim Michaels.
Yeah. I mean, Tim Michaels was, was not great. And I don't think Haudenville is going to give her
a terrible run. The only question is in my, you know, and I'm still hoping and I know Dom
hope so too that somehow Biden gets out because I think I'm just worried to death that Trump's
going to beat him and their new polls out today that show Trump beating him in Wisconsin and
in all seven swing states. And, you know, poll after poll after poll at some point someone's got a
man, maybe it's Jill, go to Biden and say, you did great. You saved the country from Trump.
You got nothing to be ashamed of. It's time for you to walk out. Is it then vice president Kamala
Harris? Because you can't just take the incumbent president set him aside and ignore the line of
succession. Can you? Well, you know, I always thought the best thing that Biden could do would be to
resign at the end of year two and give the keys to Kamala Harris and have her drive the car for
a couple of years, get people comfortable with her and president Harris. Yeah. Incompancy is always
a powerful thing. I mean, he still could do that. It's a little late for that now. The more
likely thing to do if he steps out is to do the Ezra Klein thing, which is to open the convention
and release his delegates and then have the fight at the convention floor.
I've also seen, I believe, Margaret Sullivan, recent writing saying, that's a fantasy.
That's not going to happen, Matt Rothschild. Nobody's given him. He just came back from the hospital.
Fit for duty this man. Dr. Loves this guy. Yeah. One or two more stumbles nationally.
On TV embarrassing. And then, you know, just got a wonder. And more and more of these polls
showing him losing. I mean, the thing that infuriates me about the Democratic party and about Biden's
decision to run again is that 70 to 75% of Americans say they didn't want this choice. And they're
just forcing people to eat their broccoli or eat their spinach and people don't want to eat their
broccoli or eat their spinach. But if Trump's the threat, I mean, sadly, I think many of us voted
against Donald Trump. I'm totally with you. I'm scared to death. The Donald Trump. That's why
I'm thinking maybe Biden should should step aside. If Biden can't save us from Trump again,
like he saved us from Trump the first time, which I'm grateful for and thankful to him for,
maybe he's got a historic obligation to bow out and give, you know, give someone else a better shot.
But, but, you know, Matt, it's as much as I like to play hypotheticals. And I can appreciate what
you're saying, because I have eyes and I know we got a little confirmation by us going on around
here sometimes. But, you know, I know that this is an imperfect candidate. I was a burning guy. Me too.
But I don't, I, who, who's your sure bet? Well, there's no sure bet, but there are a lot of people
who are very capable of new sum, booted judge Kamala Harris, Whitmer, a lot of people could do it.
And they should be able to go before voters and show their stuff. But, you know, Biden by insisting
on running the, the sad thing is originally he said, I'm a transitional figure. Yeah. And why
he didn't stay with that is a little beyond me, because somebody gives up the power of the presidency.
I know. Bradley, some, you know, some cool their way and try to keep it that way. And other guys
just think, well, I got a second term. I'm going to run for it. Lyndon Johnson did, though.
Hmm. Lyndon did step aside. Yeah. Late. I think was March. How'd that work out?
Well, we got Hubert Humphrey and Richard Nixon one. Yeah. Exactly. I'm not, I'm not sure that
that's the panacea that that you want. But look, we've got a, you know, bad alternatives here.
We're looking at bad numbers. We're looking at a possible disaster. What do you do?
Well, I'm not, I'm not convinced the polling is entirely accurate this far out. I mean, it's
you aren't even as super Tuesday yet. And I would love to see what the Elven Bragg, the stormy
Daniels trail does, because we're not going to get a J6 trail. And that's a shame too. Come back
with us. And when I say us, I mean, me and I'm, because man, I would say goodbye to you. I'm going
on for dinner with my kid. Oh, excellent, man. I'm going to have you bird watching some day soon.
I'm for that. Yes. And perhaps cherry pie. It's always that. I'll make it. Come back. Damn,
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