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Welcome to the Devil's Advocates Radio Show, I'm going to call this a flannel Friday,
a Georgia jury put a hit out on Rudy, Friday edition.
I'm wearing flannel, but the the breaking news down, it's it's breathtaking.
Rudy, wow, eight, four, four, nine, six, seven, two, seven, eight, nine.
You have to join us.
It's Friday.
We air the grievances.
Rudy, Nate working the board, Maggie Don, coming at the five o'clock hour, it's going
to be a fun day.
And yes, Rudy Giuliani ordered, ordered according to the Hill to pay $148 million in the
election workers' defamation lawsuit.
Let me ask you, if if 48 million, the amount originally sought by the plaintiffs in this
case had 48 million, and Rudy's lawyer said, that's effectively a death penalty.
If 48 millions of death penalty, what's three times 48 million?
I mean, yeah, you, you, you, Rudy's not going to make it through the holidays, Dom.
Rudy will not live through the holidays.
This, this, this jury, this jury is looking for a pound of flesh.
And let me tell you, this reminds me a lot, do you ever watch the, uh, sopranos Sunday
night over on the HBO, they're up there still on the streaming.
You younger people go back, watch the sopranos, the classics are the best, but there's, there's
the one episode where Tony soprano, and I don't mean to be too colorful here on a afternoon
drive show, but Tony soprano drags a guy out of a, like a bar by his hair, and he aligns
this guy's jaw with the curb, the, the, the faces teeth on the curb, yes, sets his upper
jaw on the curb, and then kicks him in the back of the head.
And this guy, let's just say, lost some teeth.
And that is what we affectionately call curb stomping, affectionately, I mean, this is what
it is.
It is what it is.
And this is pretty gangster down, I mean, this jury, this jury wanted to bury Giuliani
under metal land stadium, they put a head out on this guy.
This will kill Rudy Giuliani, if 48 million is going to kill him, 148 million is going
to bury him.
Another 148, they're going to have to clean the teeth out of their slacks, cops, crudey,
it is bad.
They'll report it during the four day trial, eight Washington DC residents heard harrowing
testimony from the workers.
So this was in DC, Ruby Freeman and Shay Moss, who said their lives were turned upside
down, as they faced a torrent of racist and violent threats following the accusations.
Giuliani was fondly liable in the case months ago, and the jury only convened to decide
how much the former federal prosecutor must pay in damages before deliberations began
the mother daughter duo asked for more than $47 million.
They got more than $47 million, crudey.
Everyone who spread lies about Ms. Moss and Ms. Freeman should be held accountable.
Their lawyer said the jury deliberated for more than 10 hours before ordering Giuliani
to pay the election workers a total of 148.7 million dollars.
Moss will receive nearly 17 million for Giuliani's defamation and 20 million for his
inflection of emotional distress.
Freeman will receive nearly 16.2 million for defamation and 20 million for emotional
distress.
The mother daughter received a total received an additional 75 million impunitive damages.
Who?
Here's my fear for the the now successful plaintiffs, Rudy's broke.
They're not getting paid.
They're not getting paid.
But here's here.
Although they're not going to get 148 million, but they'll get something.
Will they?
Will they?
I'm not clear what Judy Giuliani's future lifetime earnings are if he's been disbarred
effectively in DC and I believe New York, but here here's here's my thought down a he
ain't paying anybody.
But B he's been patchal and he came outside the courtroom.
I mean, let's not forget the other day.
He left the courtroom, the defamation trial to go out and defame the defendants or the
plaintiffs further.
He keeps doing it.
Maybe that's why there was an additional 75 million dollars impunitive damages.
When you're down 150 million to the house, you really shouldn't take the tone this guy
takes.
Let me give you a little example.
Nate did the hard work.
He pulled the Giuliani sound for us so we could play it for you.
Find people.
Here he is.
A little patchalant.
It's absurd.
You're absurd, Giuliani.
Play cup one.
The absurdity of the number merely underscores the absurdity of the entire person.
We're not sitting where I've not been allowed to offer one single piece of evidence in defense.
Why didn't you take the stand in your own defense?
Because because the victims already went through enough according to Giuliani's attorney.
And let's again, much like the Trump civil fraud trial case, this was already decided.
He had already been judged against.
He's been convicted essentially of this defamation of this act and he continued to do it in an additional
hook of 75 million.
I mean, when it gets to be 148 million, you're rooting.
Now, I understand he had some condo or something with like 6 million.
There's some things probably out there that you can fire sale and get something.
I mean, I don't know if he's going to be like, you know, trading places, the old guys living
in the streets kind of a thing.
But there are presumably assets out there.
I know it's a guy's shirt.
Does he have his shirts?
There's an emissions, perhaps, you know, you're an attorney.
Come on, man.
We've got more Rudy sound.
A little bit more post 148 million dollar ruling, I believe.
You know, that's what I'm always at my most confident when I'm down 150 million to the house.
He just you double down, Cody.
When my lawyer says 48 million would kill me and I triple that to the house, that's
what I'm at my most confident.
Let's see if you can hear it in Rudy's voice cut number two.
So I am quite confident when this case gets before a fair tribunal, it'll be very
so quickly, it'll make your head spin.
And the absurd number that just came in will help that actually.
The number might get knocked down.
I would agree with Giuliani in some way, shape or form someone could effectively nullify
this jury's financial ruling set a lower bar that happens occasionally should ask Maggie
Don about that.
But reversal reversal of what you were a jackass during this trial, you, you made yourself
less than sympathetic to the jury Rudy, the plaintiffs here, here's what I see reported
down on this over at the raw story, specifically when Ruby Freeman was telling the court that
she could no longer use her real name to women in the jurors box were seen getting emotional
according to Andrew Rice of New York magazine.
Rice speaking on CNN's Laura coats live Thursday evening said for the most part the jurors
were behaving is jurors are supposed to they didn't betray a lot of emotion.
That being said, there were a couple of exceptions going to rice.
I will say that at one point of the testimony yesterday when Ruby Freeman, the mother and
the pair were testifying, she became very emotional.
She started talking about how she really couldn't use her real name anymore.
People knew who she was because of this tartish right down and it was attached to her name
and she couldn't introduce herself to people rice added that she moved to a new place.
She gave up her home moved to a new neighborhood.
She felt like she didn't have an identity anymore.
The jurors reportedly responded to that.
I saw one woman who was similar looking to Ruby Freeman in the sense that she was an older
African American woman dabbing her eyes with a tissue and then next where a woman was
a white middle age white woman also started and seem to be quite emotional.
I think that it's only an eight person jury.
So if two of the eight people are crying when the plaintiff's talking, it's not good
for the defendant.
No, no, not at all.
Eight, four, four, nine, six, seven, two, seven, eight, nine, Joseph Sibley, Giuliani's
attorney throughout the trial, looked to show sympathy with the two workers while attempting
to convince jurors that Giuliani should not be forced to pay huge sums for threats levied
by other people, a quote from Sibley in his closing remarks.
This is how he closed.
I have no doubt that Mr. Giuliani's statements caused harm, no question about it.
But just because these things happened, it doesn't make my clients responsible for them.
Sibley did not cross examine Freeman, but did ask questions to Moss, in particular questioning
whether her diagnosis of major depressive disorder and acute stress disorder could really
be linked to his client.
Giuliani also opted against taking the stand and indicating for days he would testify.
We feel like these women have been through enough, Sibley explained in his closing statement,
but Sibley told jurors that given the plaintiffs the full request of damage would be the Sibley
equivalent of the death penalty and mark the end of Mr. Giuliani, you have a send a message
to the country that this verdict with this verdict that we don't have a blue state and
restrate America when it comes to justice, justice isn't red or blue, Sibley said.
I think the jurors sent a message to America.
I think they're very, very clear.
And on top of the other damages, 20 million and the 75 million, 74 million in punitive damages,
I think they wanted to put a cigarette out on what is and what will no longer be what
is left of Rudy Giuliani.
The internet as you might have expected has been reacting in the last few minutes.
This is quite new, breaking news.
We always like to break it for you here on the devil's advocates radio show.
We are the grievances here.
We got a fine friend and a fine sponsor joining us next, Ellen Robinson from herbal aspect.
But down before we get to him, here's how the internet's reacting to this news, this,
this jury put a hit out on Rudy Giuliani.
Here is what is being said.
After a dramatic defamation trial over his false election claims about Georgia election workers,
Ruby Freeman and Shea Moss, Rudy was found liable for $148 million.
The reaction from social media, and particularly on the Twitter down was swift and mocking.
But by Rudy posted an attorney and legal commentary, Bradley Moss, the security experts,
the jury in Washington, D.C., has awarded Fulton County election workers $148 million, $169,000,
compensatory impunitive damage against Rudy Giuliani for defamation,
an intentional inflection of emotional distress.
I had to do those calculations twice to be sure.
I might have made a massive error.
You know, I don't like to put math on the radio down, but $148 million, that's going to exceed Rudy's
lifetime earnings I got to suspect.
Well, especially at this point, he's towards the end of that career, let's call it.
Well, there's always cameo, but what do you already do with that?
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But anyways, man, consumption lounges.
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And you can pick up just as much flour as you want.
Again, uh, what truly, what you get down in Illinois is going to be a more
a finer quality wine, so to speak.
But, uh, I dare to say my bathtub gin just is good.
Brings all the boys to the yard that bathtub gin you make, Alan Robinson.
Alan, uh, the, the, the lounges, man, I want to hear a little bit more about this.
My understanding a lot of the states that have legalized, you know, the, the T.H.
She kind of cannabis, uh, it's, you know, you can't have, you can't consume in public
and there's different restrictions.
Uh, what do you see it now and what's changing?
You know, uh, first off, I'm going down to check out a, uh, an eatery, so to speak, uh,
which is also a function lounge, right?
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I just haven't had a chance to get down here to see it.
Um, I suppose that's the kind of thing that I want to bring back to
Wisconsin and because we're opening a new store in Manona, we might have some opportunity
to do that. Now's the best time for me to get down there and do that kind of market research.
Alan Robinson. It's a low-loft topic, man.
I saw you on the, uh, Facebook, Steve, social media is the other day and you were wearing
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I've got Whitman, perhaps the coolest jacket I've ever seen.
Can I own one of those jackets, man?
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You know, Dom and I both lettered on the Baga Olympic team in college.
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Because there's some facts out here that, that feel like y'all got to know, uh, in regards to
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So a study came out recently that and, and this isn't like the greatest of news.
But it's important to talk about all of the things associated with cannabis.
Uh, cannabis exposure is linked to, uh, 1.3 times higher risk of an unhealthy pregnancy outcomes.
So I, I have women coming into my shop all the time asking me, uh, if cannabis is going to be,
uh, cannabis edible is a good option for their morning sickness or something of that variety.
And while cannabis is great for nausea, I don't think that pregnant women, and I do not suggest it,
uh, that women consume while pregnant.
And now this study of more than 9,000, uh, pregnant people from across the US,
has found like significant findings that indicate that there are in fact higher risks associated
with cannabis use. So just being cognizant of how we use and when we use, everybody should get a
jacket, but not everybody should smoke or consume all the time.
But what about, you know, like middle age, barely, and employed guys like Domini, you know,
what's, what's the limitation on guys like us, Alan?
Yeah, man, not that you have no limits with me, no limits, no judgment or jacket, you get a jacket,
you get a long rip, you get a long rip.
You're the Oprah. Uh, he's Alan Robinson. He is a sponsor and a friend of ours.
He is from herbal aspect. They're based in Madison, but I realize not all of the audience is
hearing you from Madison, Alan. And for those that would be curious because you are legal,
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website. So all of the people that hear your voice right now, they're potential clients of your
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So, um, our mail order business is big and, but it's big and it can get bigger. Yeah.
Got these gummies flying out, man. Uh, Alan, I gotta admit, um, I'd like to think I've
been expert, but more of a amateur at the cannabis thing, you know, I've been, I've been doing a
long-term longitudinal study, but, you know, not really writing down the results.
But I do perceive you as something of a cannabis expert. And I know that you've been,
you've been doing the, uh, the consultations and you're doing them for our listeners for free.
And, you know, I don't mean to be like a boomer of weed, but it's good to know the,
the right answers and figure out what might be the right consumption for you and what,
what you're comfortable with and what goals you might have through this consumption.
So, Alan, you still do in the consultations here for the holidays. People could be the,
the best gift giver on the entire block.
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Alan, if you could help cast us, you know, safely somewhere between Willie Nelson and Snoop Dogg,
you know, that's, that's the range I like to be for the holidays. Can you find me somewhere to
fall in that range? Oh, man, I'll get you high as a research monkey.
What we've got concentrate, you can go to Sputnik. It really, it all depends on what
your consumption level is, what you want to be. And yes, I can absolutely get you there me.
Well, I'll be somewhere right past Mars.
Well, be careful on the roads out there. Safe travels down to the land of Lincoln,
the flatlands to ourself. I'm not applying you are, but I didn't imply you were driving either,
just on the road. Be careful out there, my friend. Have a great weekend. Alan Robinson,
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season. It indeed do have a lot of problems with you people. Now you're going to hear about it.
844-967-2789. But I'd like to throw one out there.
Worst, Congress, ever, ever, ever. This is the headline, Dana Milbank, at the Washington Post.
Not even my opinion, Dana Milbank, columnist at the post a year ago,
Milbank writes, I assign myself to the Capitol to cover the new House Republican majority,
suspecting that this erratic crowd of lawmakers would provide some lively material.
You know, we're all in it for the material time. They did not disappoint. What I could not have
known then, however, was that this would turn out to be the most ineffective session of Congress
in nearly a century, and quite possibly in all of American history. Wow. The year began with
chaos and incompetence. It ended with chaos and incompetence. Incessantly. Yeah.
There are consistent these Republicans. In between, we're self-created crisis and shocking
moments of genocide, interspersed with more chaos and incompetence. Here's a quote, Dom. John
Nagies, Democrat of Colorado, he observes. This will go down as the least productive Congress,
since the Great Depression. How well they're doing? Nagies almost certainly understates the case.
Well, it's true, as Huffington Post, Jonathan Nicholson points out,
the Congress got even less done in 1931. This is only because it didn't start its session that year
until December. It seems probable that no Congress in American history has spent so much time
accomplishing so little as this one. Wow. It's like a Congress about nothing, Dom.
What two House Republicans have to show the voters for their year in power? Well, a bipartisan
debt deal on which they promptly reneged to avoid a default crisis which they themselves created.
A pair of temporary spending bills both pass with mostly democratic votes to avert a government
shutdown crisis that they themselves created. Consistency. The ouster of their speaker nearly
a month long shutdown of the chamber as they sought another and the expulsion of one of their
members who is now negotiating himself a plea deal and make a sweet, sweet cameo money.
Santos doing better there than he did in the Congress town. And among the 22 bills in 2023 that
became law as this week was the landlark legislation known as HR 3672 to designate the clinic
of the Department of Veterans Affairs and Indian River Michigan as the PFC Justin Patten Department
of Veterans Affairs clinic also HR 5110 the protecting hunting heritage and education act which
authorized federal education funds to purchase or use dangerous weapons for instruction. Wow.
These are the important dam, the important things this worst Congress ever.
Wow. Rudy Millbank continues from the Washington Post. On Thursday the House exhausted from
its labor's recess for a three week vacation. We're going on. We're going to diss the land.
Leaving behind a pile of urgent unfinished business including funds to arm Ukraine and fortify
the southern border. When the lawmakers return they will have just eight legislative days to pass
something to avoid the latest government shutdown on which they have made no progress so far.
But before rushing home for the holidays, Republicans did manage to approve in a party line vote,
a formal impeachment inquiry into Biden for imaginary crimes that even they could not identify.
It's been an up and down year. Majority leader Steve Scalia said in the year a news conference.
He was half right. The quote continued. Yeah. What was the up part? What was the up part, Steve?
Getting rid of McCarthy, I guess. I know for those of you in the press there's never been a
week where it was boring for you. Millbank writes this was true. Next year is going to be just as busy.
He went on. That shouldn't be hard. He acknowledged. There's talk about how hard it's been but he
blamed the Democratic Senate for the inaction. Nice try. Millbank writes this Senate with a similar
majority was highly productive in the last Congress and Congress even under divided government
has routinely found ways to function until this game took over the house. The final week was
typical in the Senate Democrats and Republicans fervorously negotiated a compromise that would allow
the United States to keep sending arms to Ukraine to help Ukraine fight off Russia's invasion while
also toughening US border policies. Senate Majority leader Chuck Schumer pleaded with Speaker Mike
Johnson to keep his chamber in session. So that the emergency spending package could be passed before
year and Johnson refused to prompting Senate Republican leader Mitch McConnell to say it would be
practically impossible to pass the desperately needed bill. Likewise, Johnson, who has punchful
news noted has provided has proved proved to be unwilling or unable to make tough decisions,
couldn't decide which of the which of two competing bills of the House should pass to reauthorize
a program known as Section 702 that falls under a FISA act and is vitally important to national
security. So he scheduled House votes on them both which caused the House Republican caucus to
devolve Monday night to yet another round of bickering with rep Warren Davidson from Ohio accusing
intelligence committee chairman Mike Turner of Effing Lion. Once again paralyzed House GOP leaders
yanked both bills from consideration on the floor. Instead they moved down to the duck stamp
modernization act of 2023 a doubt no doubt a matter of great importance to waterfall hunters.
Well, that way you can get your duck stamp on your cell phone, Dom. It's it's important stuff
they're doing this Congress. They're getting their ducks in a row. The dysfunction shows every sign
that it will continue in the new year. The House Freedom Caucus, whose members routinely
kneecap Republican leaders into rail proceedings in the House in 2023. Just elected their new leader
rep Bob Good from Virginia, one of the most doctrinaire members of the caucus and one of the
eight Republicans who ousted Kevin McCarthy a speaker. He now leads the freedom freedom caucus.
Davidson and a lot of two colleagues intercepted by Axios alluded to Good's bomb throwing tendencies
and asked that the group prayerfully consider electing someone else. They went on with the
legislative terrorists anyway. Dana Milbeck, just lighten up this near-do-well House,
this Congress, the worst Congress ever, question mark. You can find the piece posted up at the
devil's advocates radio page. They go on, there's the hunter Biden stuff, there's you know,
there's all that. They're, of course, they're impeaching. They're not going to be very transparent
about it, right? They don't really articulate any specific charges. And from what we read yesterday,
some of the corporation payments to the grandsons were of what? A couple hundred bucks,
fifty, a hundred dollars, four hundred dollars, five hundred dollars, something long, long,
those lines. And don't forget, you know, the paying back of the truck loan, very, very,
very, very mysterious these Republicans. And, and, and we rename some, some VA clinics. So,
you know, can't say they're not doing anything. Is that governance? Is that progress? Are we moving
the country forward? They're doing the lords work down. You know, Virginia Fox, we talked about her
yesterday, making her pitch for, hold up, hold up. Stop shut me up, Virginia Fox. She was making
a pitch for whole milk, because that's what Santa, Santa takes. But what we missed and what I saw
later in the evening. And I apologize to the audience right now. We brought you an incomplete
context because Derek Van Orden, Wisconsin's own from the third. Yeah. He also went up there and
cracked on almond milk and all other variant forms of milk, because they don't come from mammals.
Do you ever remember that? Meet the parents? Kid, Kidney milk. I'm a mammal. Can you milk? I have
nipples. Can you milk me? Yeah, you can milk anything with nipples. I have nipples. Can you
milk me? Oh, no, we missed Derek Van Orden. He got it out of two. Oh, yeah. Derek Van Orden
from Wisconsin. Literally, the argument was you can milk a mammal. If it's not a mammal, it's not
milk. Now, that was the, I paraphrase slightly, but that was the literal argument. Somehow we missed
that sound. We didn't share. I think there was at some point. And I'm the, you know, and I
argument like a, that, that products made from, that were not, you know, true mammal milk,
that couldn't be cold milk. There was like, try to do some sort of legal, you know, issue where
they couldn't label it as such. And I don't think it went anywhere. I don't think that's the case
because I still get some almond. And I try to almond milk. And, you know, sometimes you go to
coffee shop. They don't have necessarily. They have whole milk and maybe almond milk or something
else. You know, so I try to mix it up. But I do like the traditional cow milk generally speaking.
But why is this, why is this in consideration on, on the house floor? But why, why, why do they
care what Santa drinks? Because otherwise they've got to, could you milk me?
Because otherwise they've got to talk about the impeachment of Joe Biden. And they've got to
talk about what the fact that, you know, their plan to fund the government really comes crashing
down in like three weeks, eight, four, four, nine, six, seven, two, seven, eight,
legislative days when they returned from Christmas holiday break to keep the government open.
Good luck with that. So the rare and to go when they get back.
The most important topic discussed on the house floor this week, whether or not you can milk
Derek van Orden because he's a mammal. Joan, pardon me, John for Boas, John, you live in
Van Orden's district, don't you? Hey, John. I'm not sure about that. But I've never considered
milk in your congressman. I have a couple of grievances about him if I can. Sure. All right,
laid on us, brother. There's two grievances. I'll let you pick which one. The first one is what
the Catholic nuns did to my father. And the second one is their economy is supposed to be going
in a recession. But because the federal government gave us four billion dollars of funny money,
that's 40 million dollars earning interest. But nobody's talking about it.
John, I'm not clear what. So what's one? Well, I'd rather talk about the economies.
John, I'm not sure where your math comes from, but I know there has been tons of infrastructure
investment first in a bipartisan fashion, but also without the help of any Republicans.
I know that Joe Biden, the president of the United States, is coming to Milwaukee on Wednesday
to talk about the surge in small business growth that's happened through the last couple years.
A lot of people never went back to the office after COVID. They started their own companies. And
I think the state of Wisconsin, John, has been really great in some of their policies. The bounce back
grants and the Main Street grants extended from the state government through a lot of community
partnerships. But I've told the story a few times, went up to Amory, Wisconsin. Had the
responsibility to find commercial office space in a town of about 2,200 people.
But an hour, I guess it's to the east from Minneapolis, but it's the Wisconsin side of the river.
And I went up to Amory and I started looking at real estate and everything's rented.
The entirety of Main Street was full. I went out to the strip mall. We finally ended
up between the hardware store and the grocery store for our little radio station up there, 12,
60 AM. And now on the FM dial at 104.7 FM, I do believe. Finally got the FM work in 24,
7 and Amory. So very excited about that. But the the business climate there, there had been 31 bounce
back grants extended in $10,000 increments on Main Street, Amory in a town of 2,200.
And all those vacant storefronts that, you know, just make your town look plated.
They're full. They're vibrant. Downtown Amory has happened, man. And I got to tell you, I was the
guy signing the commercial leases for civic media and so many of these different markets down.
I signed nine commercial leases last year. And it was a struggle to find good real estate because
this was such a successful program. It made downtown little mom and pop real estate shops.
Very competitive. These small shops, these small business where you would want to be on Main Street.
That's where civic media want to be right on hometown Main Street.
Just me and every other small business owner coming out of the pandemic. So Wisconsin's
done it right, John. Particularly right. And I would always compare that and contrast that
to how the last administration did it, which was Foxconn. And you know, I hated that guy,
wanker. Come back more Devils. Love you, would you call 844-967-2789.
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Hey, welcome back to heat level. That's a radio show. You can always join us on the line.
It's 844-967-2789. I know we got some callers holding, but I also want to throw this out there.
I think John from boy, I was talking about the debt and the interest and these things.
And I brought this up recently. I want to throw it out there again.
American progress.org from March of 2023. Tax cuts are primarily responsible for the
increasing debt ratio. I'm not going to get into it deep, but I would suggest checking it and I'll
put it up on the socials. All their data is marked for your own confirmation and research.
You need to increase the debt limit. Again, this is a march. It's focused attention on the size
and trajectory of the federal debt. Long-term projections show the federal debt as a percentage of
the US economy is on a path to grow indefinitely with increased non-interest spending due to
demographic changes such as increasing life expectancy, declining fertility and decreased
immigration, and rising health care caused permanently outstripping revenues under projection
based on current law. House Republican leaders have used this fact to call for spending cuts,
but it does not address the true cause of rising debt. Tax cuts initially enacted during
Republican trifectas in the last, in the past 25 years, slash taxes disproportionately for the
wealthy and profitable corporations severely reducing federal revenues. In fact, relative to
earlier projections, spending is down not up, but revenues are down significantly more.
If not for the Bush tax cuts and their extensions, as well as the Trump tax cuts,
revenues would be on track to keep pace with spending indefinitely, and the debt ratio
would be declining. Instead, these tax cuts have added $10 trillion to the debt
since their enactment, and are responsible for 57% of the increase in the debt ratio since 2001,
and more than 90% of the increase in the debt ratio, if the one-time cost of bills
responding to the COVID-19 and the Great Recession are excluded.
That's due to the tax cuts. As a big, it is a big, of course, man, it's a revenue. You're
addressing the revenue side of it, and I get to spending, spending, spending, and understand that,
but even just with inflation, spending is going to go up. But they do the tax cuts and they don't
do any subsequent, they be in the government, those that are in charge, and certainly some
Democrats voted for these tax cuts as well. But this is primarily a Republican thing.
And if that were not to be the case, we wouldn't be talking about these ratios. We wouldn't
talk about this indefinite debt rising. Well, look at what we've done, and we've done that, and
we've hit the revenue side and not adjusted the expense side, the cost side, the spending side,
and it's, oh, this is terrible. What did you think about that when you passed the bills?
Remember when we were on Brady Street, you know, old resistance radio days back when
Ron Johnson used to come round. And Ron came round in like 2017, 18 time frame,
feeling very good about himself. I believe 2018, because
Ron Johnson, through his singular entrancedence, had changed the Trump tax cut proposals
to include tax cuts for designated S corporations. Now, I'm not expecting you all to be
accountants, but that means mostly small businesses that passed through to the owners. So
I was at that time a designated S corporation. And if we'd ever been profitable in the radio
industry, it would have passed through to my personal income taxes. I've had profitable
companies prior that just didn't happen to be one of them. But anyways, Ron came down and he
was so proud. Prudy, I did this for us, because Ron claimed himself PACORR, then he was part of
his father and law's family business, sort of a captive audience, his single supplier business.
But anyways, Ron also apparently a designated S corp. But what Ron never broke to us,
is so aware a couple of other prominent Republican donors. The Uline family, Dick and Liz,
big, big donors, and the widow Hendrix happened to also structure their corporations as designated
S corp. So had I ever made a little bit of profit, I would have gotten a slightly fairer tax
calculation. But I've always said there's a greater benefit to be a small business owner,
to have this structure in place, because I get to claim my expenses. I get to go spend as much
money as I can on business stuff and then pay taxes. That's different from the average work and
step where the government takes your money. And every nickel you spend is after a tax. That's a
different, it's a different deal. So it was already to my perception, a slightly better deal to be
a small business owner than a laborer. But now it's much better deal, especially if you're the
U lines or the widow Hendrix and you've had very profitable, successful small businesses that are
also designated S, because as I remember the math, I'm and memories usually pretty good. Friday's
gets a little sketchy, but usually pretty good. In the singular tax year 2018, those two families
saved something to the 200 million dollars, 200 million dollars in a single filing two family
saved 200 million dollars through that alteration in the tax codes singularly established
through the intransigence of Ron Johnson. Proud to tell us, did it for us, Crudy, you and I
and the U lines in the widow Hendrix. And I don't think I blew up the tax codes,
if I say five grand a thousand five hundred that year, great. I don't even know that I did.
But the U lines in the widow Hendrix saved 200 million dollars in that tax filing year alone.
Now multiply that through what half a decade we've lived since then.
Starts that up to some real money time like a billion dollars through two tax filers alone.
And the fact that they reimbursed Ron. Well, they don't call it that. That'd be a toward,
of course, can't do something like that. They turned around and gave beneficial donations
to the campaign of Ron Johnson to the amount of like 21 million. That's like a 10% kickback.
That's what you do. Write down. You scratched my back, you know, one hand watches the other,
they're both watching a face. We've got some colors holding, but there was a bullet effect on
Ron. One to get this out. Caitlin Collins asked Ron the other day. And we've got a
bullet effect on this statement that Ron made plate for the people.
Tell Zod of a nuisance lawsuit. They agreed to get to settle a nuisance lawsuit that never
should have been brought. So you think it's fine that someone has a travesty of justice.
You think it's fine that someone who has tried to overturn a legitimate election is still on a
Democrat electors have done that repeatedly. Democrats have done. Democrats have done the
same thing in Wisconsin. I said fake slate to the electors.
No, it's happened in different states. I'd come prepared to give you the exact states,
but it's happened. It's happened repeatedly. It has happened repeatedly. Just go check the books.
Which books? I mean, there have been alternate states of your life. So he says it's happened
repeatedly. Democratic falseulates of electors. Politifact cutting to the chase says that is wrong.
His own aid acknowledged that Johnson meant to make a different point. A more general one about
Democrats objecting to past election results. And in any case, none of the evidence provided by
Johnson matches the original claim. We rate rojo fault. Chakr to come back Maggie Don. She never
gets it wrong. When she's on the devil's advocates radio show, that's her greatest decision ever.
She's next.
