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The Thursday edition happy first night of Hanukkah for those that celebrate.
Happy Friday Eve to you, Dom.
Thank you, Michael.
A happier, happier indeed, because you've been like a cage tiger for an hour.
I want to talk about trumpet trail, the fraud trial in New York City.
I know the farmer made an appearance in the courtroom and said some outrageous things.
You know, nearly as outrageous as Vivek Ramaswamy, but you've been dying to talk about
this all day.
Now is your time down here, Dom.
The time in history, man.
I don't know how we cannot discuss this.
I mean, we talk, you know, these Republicans debating yesterday, what's apparently according
to the headline, it drudges the lowest rated debate ever, ever, very, very bad.
And you know, contrast that with, of course, Trump today in court.
And we'd have some sound of him walking into the court, not very happy, of course, because
this is everything.
This is Trump's name.
This is his, his money, his storyline, man.
You know, this is his opportunity to defend himself, although he may take to stand apparently
on Monday.
I think we got cut number 10.
He calling her a lunatic, man, it's James the AG Trump, not a fan.
Let's play that one.
Cut 10, please.
We did nothing wrong.
There were no victims.
The bank loves us.
The bank testified.
They love us.
We did absolutely nothing wrong.
We never even defaulted.
We never have, default letters sent to us.
The bank said we were a perfect customer.
The bank didn't even know why they were here.
They knew.
They knew people being murdered now, and all over the streets, they're being murdered.
This violent crime and this attorney general, who's crazy, she's the lunatic, the attorney general,
sits here because she knows that she has a judge that no matter all the evidence that
that judge is going to rule in her face.
He already has.
You've already lost your fraud trial.
The rest of this is just you doing kabuki theater for the media, and starting to lay
the ground plan for how you're going to deal with your more substantial criminal prosecutions,
which could come to trial as early as March, of course, he's seeking to appeal what is
presidential immunity.
Yes, and what double jeopardy because he was trying to quote and quote and beat.
We got one more from Trump.
I believe this may have been on his way out of the courtroom.
I'm not sure.
Let's play here.
Cut nine.
The attorney general committed fraud.
You just saw it right up there.
She's a fraud.
This whole case is the fraud.
It's a election interference.
It's keeping me here instead of Iowa and New Hampshire.
If you saw the attorney general's a fraud, she committed fraud.
No, I would challenge that, sir.
My understanding you were not required to be in the courtroom today.
She was not keeping you there.
And his attorneys failed to be there.
Ask for a jury trial, something we've heard him complain about at nauseam.
Kind of your fault.
You know, I've got to hire the best people.
One other attributed quote to Trump from inside the courtroom.
I think I need to lose some weight.
Apparently he doesn't like the courtroom sketches of him.
You know, there aren't photographs per se in the courtroom, but there are sketches.
Donald Trump had some comments upon seeing the work of courtroom sketch artist in the New York fraud trial on Thursday.
Speaking to MSNBC outside the courtroom reporter.
Yes, man.
Vosigani.
I'm sure that's not even close.
Said the Trump walked by the artist on the way of the court and comment that the drawing was good.
But when he came back, he had some criticism.
Is that me?
No, he's trying some other random pumpkin looking fella in the courtroom.
Is that me?
I think I need to do some weight.
It's unknown if Trump was saying that to himself or giving a failed demand to the artist perception.
You know, the sketch artist in court.
They don't have to show you loyalty.
Bastard.
But he demands loyalty from all at all times.
Dom sketch artist pictures have been important to the Trump family members.
When Don junior appeared, he begged, begged the artist to make him look sexy.
Another artist from Trump's first appearance in the stand in the fraud trial.
Made him look thin, but he was criticized for giving him.
Day to hands.
Dominique a previous courtroom sketch from June drew criticism because it made Trump look.
About 40 or 50 years younger.
Who's he think he is or a legroom?
That court room sketch artist was feeling very generous.
The Lincoln project commented at the time.
In his Washington DC case, Trump was drawn looking old,
meek and angry and Trump fans have responded with their own AI versions of the drawing showing Trump sitting next to Jesus Christ, of course.
Right up there on the cross.
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On this, of course, the topic of the Washington Post reporting Trump appeals January 6th,
immunity ruling launching process that made delay the trial.
Both appeals court and supreme court would have to rule on appeals quickly for the trial to begin before the 2024 election, according to the experts.
You filed notice that he will appeal the DC judges ruling.
He's not immune from being charged with federal crimes for his efforts to undo the outcome of the 2020 election.
Either by his former role as president or the Constitution's rules for impeachment.
The notice is a minor procedural step, but it sets in motion one of the most potentially consequential parts of Trump's legal saga as the first former president to be charged with crimes.
How in when the US court of appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit and the Supreme Court handle his appeal could have a huge impact on whether Trump, who is again running for president, goes on trial before voters go to court.
Before voters go to the polls in 2024 or ever.
Trump's legal team says the charges that he conspired to obstruct the victor of Biden's victory should be thrown out for two reasons.
We mentioned this presidential immunity.
And of course, the argument that charging him with trying to block the election results violates the legal principle of double jeopardy because he was already acquitted as a congressional impeachment for that conduct.
Chuck Kins, 48 page opinion last week rejected those claims as well as a different challenge that said the indictment never should have been filed because it improperly tries to criminalize Trump's constitutional protective rights.
The speech and advocacy as a political candidate since the grand jury voted to bring the trial charges the summer prosecutors have sought to try Trump as quickly as possible.
Trump's lawyers have insisted their client needs and deserves more time both as a defendant renew a reviewing evidence and as a former president trying to get back into the White House a little bit more here.
Appeals court consider very few legal issues before a criminal trial a criminal case goes to trial and a verdict is reached.
But questions of immunity and double jeopardy are often among the exceptions because if the defendant is right that they cannot be charged courts have held that they should not be forced to go through a trial at all.
You know, when when the rulings don't come down like the like the old man wants them to talk about Trump sometimes he gets gets a little angry down behind closed doors and we've got more testimony of that today from Cassidy Hutchinson, you know, the Republican aid, I believe she was to the vice president, right.
Republican, that's for sure she didn't work in the Trump administration because she was some sort of democratic and Tifa loyal list, Democrat and Tifa.
You're going to solve the other right man, my bad Democrat and Tifa loyalist Marxist leftist right she's on their team and she didn't get very compelling testimony during the J6 during the, you know, the impeachment that probably will get the old man off her double jeopardy.
But I'm here is what's being reported today Trump is a volcano that blast catch up magma often behind closed doors according to his former aid that would make a hell of commercial for like kindness 57 anticipation.
You just see Trump reading the ruling and then what is my almost Cassidy Hutchinson, the former aid to White House chief of staff, Mark Manos told MSNBC's Lorenzo Donald that Marilog was walls and other gracing the 45th president have been splattered by catch up following one of his alleged tantrums, Cassidy testified before the J6 celebrity that she rolled up her sleeves to assist a White House valet.
Rid the walls of the Oval Office dining room of catch up after Trump went into a tizzy and tossed to play to food when he learned that his then attorney general bill bar.
Came forward to dispel any notion that there had been widespread flood in the 2020 election. What was his crime tell the truth, take that wall.
Asked if the dish early wasn't isolated incident Cassidy said it was not.
There are several that's probably being a little too underestimating their Lawrence of all the reasons that Donald Trump should never be anywhere close to the Oval Office again.
This may seem like a minor one, but it's volcanic temper.
I hate people with tempers down.
Cassidy said the 45th president was incapable of controlling himself and erupted often.
He deserves to be nowhere near the nuclear code button she said.
I think for an American listening to this to know about how he reacts so irrationally and to think that his own hand picked attorney general is telling him that is the truth.
I think we may let the catch up be displayed on the walls of our logo. I'm sure there's plenty of it down there.
Nowadays.
I think there's more catch up on the wall a little bit more here from this reporting that I'm Hutchinson testified to various scenes taking place in the wake of the election, including Trump lawyer Rudy Giuliani asking if she was excited about the 6th.
Can't wait.
We'll be wild.
Referring to the gathering at the Capitol.
We're going to the Capitol.
It's going to be great.
The president's going to be there.
We're going to look powerful.
She recalled the former New York City mayor saying look powerful.
I'm so powerful.
Almost as powerful as he did standing in that parking lot in front of the four seasons landscaping with.
There's a guy running down his face and packed together.
Sidney Powell standing there with him.
Once he returned to Maddo she relayed the conversation and she said he told her things might get real real bad.
Did they get bad down?
I think they did.
Yeah, they got pretty bad.
But not according to the back from a Swami.
Oh, is it inside?
Or Ron Johnson.
Oh, Senator.
Ron Johnson.
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Are you satisfied with your care?
I'm never satisfied.
Well, I guess we'll do more show them.
I would have gotten away with it too if it wasn't for those meddling devils advocates.
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Let's do it Ross from Crawford County.
You are up.
Welcome Ross.
Happy days.
What do you got for us?
Hey, guys.
I just wanted to comment.
I finally got a chance to listen to the interview with between Crudian and CJ.
And I wanted to compliment Crudian.
It was a really good interview.
The way you were able to kind of slow him down because a lot of times when he calls in, he just kind of fires off statistics.
And you were able to slow him down, kind of put a face on him.
So to turn him from a caricature, which sometimes in my head, which is what I was starting to do.
I started these guys.
I sometimes think they're just like.
They're not even real.
So I just wanted to compliment you on that.
And then the other thing is.
Yeah, but that's like making Trump a real human being.
Isn't it, doesn't, isn't that counterproductive in some way, shape or form Ross?
Yeah, no, I mean, yes, right.
No, I think what it, it brings the reality home.
Right.
Yeah, I mean, Trump is a real person.
Even though, you know, he knows how to manipulate the media and such like that.
And I think that was maybe kind of like my other point is is that in.
I'm imagining in history where you have these autocratic people that are able to manipulate large populations.
Although people that are following him are these like real people.
And when you look, when I look at these Republicans in this present day, there are very few that I can really hold up.
What I would call a reasonably intelligent conversation.
It just tends to be.
This is what I believe this is the conspiratorial or this is the conspiracy or.
You know, maybe just a quick other point that I've been, you know, sort of thinking this is that.
There's this big chunk of the magas who.
When Trump won in 2016, he, I think they really felt like like the hand of God must have come down.
Because when in 2020, there were like, there's no way that Trump could have lost.
And so the only way that they can.
Process this is because they're just not really an open mind to thinking people.
The only way you can process it is conspiracies.
Climate change of conspiracy.
The deep state of the conspiracy is the only way that works for these people.
But too.
But, but, but Ross, you realize that Donald Trump is out there telling him it was rigged, right?
So if you believe the guy and, and you're persuaded by his stick and his stick becomes.
It was stolen from me.
Well, I understand in some way, shape or form why.
Our.
Friends, maybe our neighbors are relatives might be outraged who think it was stolen from their candidate.
I mean, Bernie Sanders had come out and said it was stolen from me.
After a super Tuesday and 2020, I guess that would have been.
I would have tended to believe him.
I would have tended to believe him.
If he could have laid out some theory why it was stolen, why the primaries had been stolen from him.
Yeah.
Yeah, yeah.
You give him a benefit of the doubt, but I think at a certain point you would probably look at Bernie and say,
OK, maybe he lost a couple of things.
Well, I don't think Bernie would lose 61 court battles.
Bernie made the claim.
I think he would have validity.
But they feel like their guy had validity.
You know what I mean?
They didn't think he was lying to him.
Only he tells them the truth.
The Republican.
I'm calling him Republican.
This, this group of Americans.
And, you know, the, the, these were these conservatives that listened to your station, the
organization in the world.
It's like, I don't see that with the people that I converse with that they would just sort of believe like that all this stuff is just a big conspiracy.
And all they have to do is just find one person on the internet who sort of confirms that climate change is just as conspiracy.
That was all a big lie.
And the big tech is this.
And that the Jewish, you know, wealthy Jews are like, you know, trying to, it's like that seems to fall into a group of people that have just been like
woken like a pack of dogs and, uh, and Trump was able to do that.
And for, for whatever reason and, uh, and we've got to ride this damn thing out before, uh, and hopefully it just do damage control.
Ross, you live in a more rural part of the state of Wisconsin, Crawford County.
We're, I'm here in Dane and, I'm some Milwaukee County right now.
Uh, more blue, more populous.
So are you seeing changes in attitudes or you still, are you starting to see the Trump science coming out of the Barnes again?
I mean, what, what's your, what's your, what's your, what's your assessment of your neighborhood, Ross?
Right.
So Crawford County and this part, this, this Southwest part of the state is pretty interesting.
There's a lot of people that are like agriculturally, they're sort of like what I call this alternative agriculture.
And so these people, I tend to be sort of more aware of what it takes to maybe survive as an organic farmer, uh, what it takes to, uh, to be a small farmer.
Because there's a lot of these kind of small farms here, but at the same time, the Trump, the Trump signs are out there.
And when I hang out at the bars, the, I mean, I don't, I don't instigate, but I, when I'm listening and there, it's, it's, I'm not going to, it's borderline full mag out here.
It's almost like they're hiding out here, but it's full mag out here.
Ross, if I, if I was going to go down that path a little bit with you, especially the bar talk, man, uh, full mega.
Like what, what kind of, what are the, what are the grievances? What are the concerns, uh, that you hear in, in a mega country, Ross?
Think what it, okay, so it's going to be the big thing out here is guns.
Uh, they're going to take my guns. I think they really believe that there's this, the, the Biden conspiracy.
I think that seems to be a lot of the talk as to what actually motivates the, you know, these are hardworking people out here.
I mean, these are like their farmers, they're, they get small, small business owners.
And I think they sort of project onto the urban areas like Milwaukee or Madison or wherever.
And they sort of see the, the welfare, whatever, the loafers are the, are the little uppity students that are protesting.
And they're like, why isn't everybody else just a hardworking, you know, God fear and flag wave in American like me.
And, uh, and it's really sort of sad that they, that they, uh, they sort of follow this, I think Trump brings it out.
I know quite understand it to tell you the truth.
Ross, you'll be both Ross.
Appreciate the call.
Uh, I think it actually was preceded at least here in the state of Wisconsin, where we most often spend our time down.
Uh, but the Scott Walker recall the low propensity voters in the state of Wisconsin, you know, up north there, hey, a bunch of them came out of the woodwork that had never voted before.
Devote against the Scott Walker recall.
And in some same way, shape or form, Trump harnessed that disaffected electorate.
And what Scott Walker did is he, he turned Wisconsinite against Wisconsinite.
He made it very much a pitched battle.
Uh, Kathy Kramer, I think did a great study on this great book, you know, the urban world, the bite in the state of Wisconsin.
And it was those lazy urban people.
And he, of course, meant Democrats or black people or however he characterized them.
And of course it was big government union bosses.
You remember the vernacular he used.
And he made people working in the private sector resent those that would get those Cadillac deals from state government.
What he failed to acknowledge is those people often traded a lower overall wage.
Or they looked at the totality of the compensation, but oftentimes state labor doesn't pay as well is, is labor in the private sector.
And of course act 10 act 10.
That was the, the stick it to everybody action of the former governor of the state of Wisconsin and the recall was really about.
The reaction to act 10 and whether or not this should stand here in the state of Wisconsin.
Whether, you know, the progressive nature of the state should change so radically.
But it did at least from a governance point of view.
And it actually brought out the low propensity voters.
And if it's not Trump, I don't think, I don't think Nikki Haley turns them out.
I don't see anyone else except for Trump turning them out.
So when you talk about the fear these Republicans have of their own base.
What they fear is they fear if they don't continue to gin this.
These disaffected low propensity voters if they don't keep up angry and directed at something.
Well, they'll never win another election because without them.
They're back to be in a crappy second wrong party.
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And, um, part of the electoral campaign of Scottie Winker, the Winker, Scott Walker, the former governor of Wisconsin,
was to kill the high speed rail between Milwaukee and Madison.
And if I recall correctly, you supported him killing the high speed rail.
Although I don't mean to put words in your mouth. Maybe I misremember.
But I thought you were down for that.
But it was the issue of maintenance costs and the fact that it wasn't technically a high speed rail.
There were some issues with it, but what we didn't know at the time was that getting out of the contract would cost the state of Wisconsin like about 30,
$50 million to not take the train.
So that's as a nine and hindsight.
But the ongoing maintenance costs would have been nearly 22 million over the course of like two decades.
And you recall that that's in some part what got Scott Walker elected to the governorship of the state of Wisconsin.
I think the failure to accept almost a billion dollar investment in high speed rail.
I think it's so short-sighted.
I mean, nearly a short-sighted and it's the indefensible decision by Scott Walker and still current to this day Republicans that have failed to take the Medicaid expansion for working class in poor Wisconsin.
Because they could have, but they've turned back billions of dollars.
Still good.
Well, here's a headline locally.
And this affects really damn near everyone in our listing area all the way from KTNF 950 AM the progressive voice of Minnesota Dom up in the twin cities all the way down to WCPT 820 AM in Chicago.
What if you could ride the rails from here to there and include Madison and don't clear maybe lacrosse.
Well, here's a huge win Madison to start planning new Amtrak routes.
Yeah, about 12 years too late.
I know you and I both have made that commute fella.
Madison will start planning on how to connect the state capital to Chicago Milwaukee and the twin cities via passenger rail after the city received about a half million dollars in development grants from the federal railroad administration.
Wisconsin will receive a total of 2.5 million statewide for planning new Amtrak routes for the quarter identification and development program funded by the bipartisan infrastructure bill.
And how do we know this Tammy Baldwin you ascender Tammy Baldwin.
Still undefeated them.
She made the announce would be a press release today.
Specifically the quarter ID program will support the creation of new routes on the existing Hayawatha service line from wait for a time Milwaukee,
Madison to Oh Claire.
I like the Milwaukee to Madison part and I love Oh Claire. It's a beautiful part of the state. Oh Claire to the twin cities.
Milwaukee to Green Bay. Wouldn't that be a great thing for Packer games.
You guys with the gold package with the Packer tickets. You know the Milwaukee seats twice a year.
You got to drive up there and either pay eight times too much for a overpriced hotel room.
You got to make your way back to Milwaukee and hope to keep her between the lines.
Chicago via lacrosse to Saint Paul.
I like that one. Well, I think a lot of people would like that one. Don't people like mass transit.
The funds will also help make improvements on the existing Milwaukee to Chicago line.
It's a huge win for moving passenger rail forward in Wisconsin, including Madison, according to Liz Kaylin, transportation planner for the city,
who oversees the same track project, having those routes being accepted into the quarter ID program is a crucial component, certainly for the Madison station development.
This is a unique opportunity and we're thrilled to see these efforts moving forward.
We would have had a high speed rail station. My understanding over by the Monona Terrace.
Couple of blocks down the road from where I'm at here block or two from the Wisconsin State Capitol.
Guys like you had to have it your way down.
Created the passage of the infrastructure bill in 2021, freed up historic levels of funding for a new intercity passenger rail service in Madison in December,
the city started planning how to use that money and looking for a location for a future station.
So yes, interesting. Here are the possible down near the University of Wisconsin, Madison campus downtown near the Monona Terrace.
That was the original bright idea on first in East Washington avenues that would be near east side of Madison.
The near east side on the west of Fair Oaks Ave, the site of the former Oscar Meyer plant and lastly, and this would make a lot of sense.
How about at the Dane County Regional Airport where you can already what long park the car for a fairly reasonable amount of money.
People are used to going there because that is a transportation depot.
That would make a lot of logical sense to be done. What do you think?
Cody Madison tried to get high speed passenger rail in the city over a decade ago.
A project that was ultimately killed as you mentioned by former Republican governor Scott Walker.
Wanker mayor sat year old Conway has been vocal about her support for bringing passenger rail service to the city.
Despite pushback from Republican state leaders assembly leader speaker Robin Voss and there would be no state funding for the project last year.
Colin said at this point the city is not pursuing any state funding sources.
One of the great things about this quarter ID program is that it is a 100% federally funded program, which is extremely rare in transportation.
She said explaining how there is no such local match requirement was constant is extremely successful in their application.
They got all four of the quarters they applied for and it's all fully federally funded.
It's just a great opportunity of the mayor said in the statement this funding from the infrastructure law is an important step.
The city is already working to identify an accessible station site that would meet operational needs and encourage economic development.
Our hope is that a new Madison and trap state station would become a dynamic destination woven into the fabric of a vibrant city.
And that rail service will better connect us to our neighbors in Milwaukee.
Oh, Claire and beyond Alex Chicago and Minneapolis.
We like to party in all those cities down.
We do.
A for four nine six seven two seven eight nine well only 12 years too late.
And this does seem like a broader expansion.
This is bigger than the proposed almost a million dollar infrastructure project that guys like you turn your nose up at because there might have been some ongoing maintenance cost.
22 million, but better to spend 50 not to do it just to pay off the tailgo manufacturing company that then use those high speed rail somewhere else that we.
California California specifically.
You mean we're code fees from.
They're still working on that rail.
You know, when when stuff and I were in Europe, we took a high speed rail, literally high speed rail from Rome to Naples.
And this thing went like 180 190 miles an hour, man.
I mean, you flew on this thing.
You know, so what do we this isn't high speed, right?
This is an Amtrak.
We're not talking about high speed rail specifically talking about expansion of the current Amtrak system if I'm reading this correctly.
You're right.
The high speed rail would have come under Walker, but he killed it and you agreed.
So this is not a high speed rail under any.
No, again, nor was.
Come on, let's be honest.
They're that supposed to average like 80 90 miles per hour.
If I recall correctly again high speed rail that I was just on last year was going 190 miles an hour.
Well, that just tells us how far behind the investment of the Europeans we are.
So better to do nothing.
Better to what continue to drive down our interstate highway system and let guys like Scott Walker decide what.
I got Walker decide whether or not, you know, potholes are tolerable.
Well, you don't want to get the orange barrel fatigue, Rudy.
I certainly got that.
Because the market interchange and mostly greater Milwaukee was under construction for.
Oh, it's still most of my adult life.
Certainly that the years I was commuting there.
And I don't, you know, so, you know, the pricing.
It's a lot, lots of things to think about.
Do we do am I for a great expansion of the rail short?
Do I use it now?
No, I don't.
What I use it in the future.
Perhaps how fast does it go?
You know, what are the rates on the tickets?
You know, it's certainly nice to be able to, you know, get some work done while you're traveling.
I totally appreciate that.
So there's lots of things that go into it.
But what is it about the connectivity?
Why can't we just the money?
Is it more than the money?
Do you not want people from, you know, big metropolitan areas easily connected?
Is that philosophically somehow go against your political gain?
ID.
How about Republicans?
Yeah.
They want to solve.
They have no state money.
No state money Robin boss said for anything here for rail, right?
Well, they oppose.
I mean, look at what they how they treated the hop in Milwaukee.
They oppose any mass transit.
Anything that moves the people, anything that could be construed as being a fight back against climate change.
Because of course that doesn't exist.
We all live on this flat earth.
Don't you know down?
So I would say that this is politics at its worst.
No state money for federal investment in the infrastructure here in the state of Wisconsin.
The interconnection of damn near every one of our major cities.
Because that includes Milwaukee green Bay lacrosse O'Claire and Madison.
Those are your five major metropolitan's perhaps accepting wasa.
Well, and I would point out and to some degree, I would assume most of those are probably trending blue.
Shocker.
Most cities do.
Right.
So why would they want to again, if you could be in purely political about it?
Why would you want to connect the blue areas and make them even better and more efficient?
Don't you need workers here, Tom?
I mean, really, I want to answer your rhetorical question with actual logic.
Because there is no way in hell the young people are staying in the state of Wisconsin.
Unless we start making some investments in our state, I would say the UW system would be a good start.
And since this is all federal funding and Robin Voss really doesn't get a jackass.
I would say we accept the federal dollars.
We put the infrastructure in place because it makes it a better state.
Do you know if you live in the state of Wisconsin and a highway does not go through your county?
You're screwed.
Do you know how hard it is to keep someone on the on the farm on the on the whatever?
If there's no interstate in your community because you probably don't have the same sort of investment in cell phone technology.
You probably don't have the same investment in the high speed internet.
Because Joe Biden is trying to bring us that here in the state of Wisconsin.
If I recall, Scott Walker was killing that too.
That was part of his campaign.
Kill the high speed internet.
Tell me you my little buddy.
Tell me the logic of killing federal investment.
Twenty six million dollars at the time in the high speed internet.
Why?
Oh, you're going to make me tax.
I didn't agree with the president.
I think their excuse was something about the bidding process, but I'd have to go back.
Because Obama was the president.
Why didn't we expand Obamacare?
Oh, yeah, because Obama was the president.
Why didn't we expand the high speed rail?
Because Obama was the president.
Why?
Why didn't we expand high speed internet, which would be great for our world business owners?
Allow people to stay closer to home and maybe have a fighting chance
in this entrepreneurial world, this capitalist world we live in.
Why?
Because he's a self-serving...
Well, I can't say most what I'm thinking right now.
But all he wanted to do was run for president.
All he wanted to have was an anti-Obama agenda.
That was enough.
It was enough to oppose the federal government, right?
Drown it in a bathtub, him and Grover Northwest.
And of course, tax cuts for his rich friends.
Always the tax cuts, Kurti.
That's the solution for everything.
And if you look at the national debt that we now carry, you can trace a large majority
of those tax cuts right to the national debt.
Well, here's what I would say if we're bloat ballooning the national debt.
At least we're doing so currently for infrastructure investment.
Right.
Investment.
I mean, Republicans, they act like they're the party of a business.
But they don't know the word investment.
Investment means you spend money to make things better because you hope by investing in that thing.
Let's say high speed rail or even just a commuter rail corridor throughout the state of Wisconsin,
connecting Chicago and Minneapolis and O'Claire and Green Bay and Madison.
That would be very important to many people.
I might keep them here in the great state of Wisconsin.
That would be an investment.
And when you don't take the other investment, the federal government investment in healthcare
and high speed rail and broadband internet, you're just a freaking loser.
Right, Scott Walker.
Look at the mirror.
Loser.
Sorry, I get a little personal about this.
Folks, where are the doubles?
It's never, never personal.
Only politics.
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And then Dom, I'm going to encourage the listeners here to try black convergence at 7 o'clock
here on WMDX in Madison, our friend Brandy Grayson is the host of that show.
Yeah.
And she is a very dynamic person.
So she comes in here soon.
I try to leave the place clean and stuff because Brandy scares me a little bit.
844, I mean, as a powerful human being of dynamic personality.
I don't want to be on her bad side.
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Give her a listen.
Quite entertaining.
Let's get to the phones.
Damn.
Always like when our audience participates.
Let's start with Nick from Madison.
What are our conservative buddies?
How you doing, Nick?
Hey, Nick.
I'm doing great, guys.
Hey, I need to talk again.
You heard me ranting my anti-walker rant.
Tell me which part of it I got wrong.
The failure to accept the Medicaid, the failure to expand the rail,
and the failure to expand broadband internet.
Which part did I get wrong?
I'm looking at you on a theory.
It's the rail that I'm thinking of.
And my reason for it is, and Dom, you brought it up pretty much.
What I'm thinking is that, you know, it'd be nice.
It'd be really nice.
But except for a couple very small rail lines that are right now in the States.
I'm thinking between Chicago and Milwaukee and some East Coast ones.
And I'm trying to lose his money every year.
And the ice-speed rail in California.
They've been working on that for over two decades.
And it was supposed to be like a five-year project.
And it keeps ballooning.
And it'd be nice.
And other countries do it.
I've been on one.
They're great.
But if you build it, there will be a disaster.
We as Americans are not capable of making the trains run on time, Nick.
Come on, man.
We're better than that.
When have we?
I'm not saying we can't make one time.
I'm saying people who write it.
But let me, let me, let me, let me ask you this though.
How much money do we make on the?
On the highway system.
Yeah, how much money we make in there, Nick?
I wish it's him.
Yes.
Nothing to tell.
Nothing.
Right.
We're not, right?
It's, it's, it's, it's, it's cost.
It's not.
These are not necessarily.
Right.
These aren't necessarily something you're going to get a return in pure dollars on.
You know, it's the expansion of the economy.
It's, it's the ability for people to, you know, go from A to B without using a vehicle.
You know what I'm saying?
They're, they're so, if that's the case, same thing, man.
How much money is there in anything the government will pay for to provide?
How much money we're making on, on our defense, Nick?
What's the Pentagon?
What's the return on that?
You know what I'm saying?
It's not everything is a specific dollar return on the money spent.
Well, I actually have to say, I mean, the highway is doing this money because the gas gas is going to fix roads.
But, um, that doesn't cover the cost.
Come on, man.
Are you serious?
Are you serious, Clark?
What I'm saying is,
trains in America, in other countries they do, but trains in America have never made money.
But this is going to be the first time.
That's what you're saying.
Well, I'll let you say it.
Nick, you just said it so we don't have to.
Appreciate your call, though.
Thanks for listening, buddy.
It's not, it's not, it's not about making money, man.
That's the whole point.
Uh, it's, it's how, again, how does highway 94, between Milwaukee and Detroit make us money?
How much money we making?
What's the return on that?
Well, it's, it's not that it's be able to get the goods back and forth, right?
You got lots of semis on the road.
There's huge costs for those things.
This isn't about a specific, we're going to put a $10 million road together and the state's going to get, you know,
a million dollars, 10% return every year on that.
That's not how it works, Nick.
So to try to apply that kind of payback for a public service, a road, which everybody's as far as I know,
everyone's down with the road socialism.
Everyone's down with the snow plow socialism.
Everyone's down with a fire department socialism.
But all of a sudden you do some of these other things and all we need to return.
I just think going to be very clear on what the expectations are, what we're actually getting for the money.
I can't believe Nick thinks the American people are incapable of running a profitable rail system.
Maybe we got to have a rail system and try it once.
When was it profitable?
When did we ever have it?
844-967-2789, try to sneak a few more calls in.
Bill from Milwaukee, Bill.
Yeah, you're up, fella.
Hey, Bill.
Thank you much.
I thought your last caller seemed to be coming from a basic premise of libertarianism,
which is basically that nothing should be done.
If a private sector can't do something and make a profit doing it, then it shouldn't be done.
And that's ridiculous.
I would also say that your point about young people want transit.
If you want a rail of options available, very true.
It shows where they're settling.
And the funniest part of that was when Scott Walker was governor,
and they had noticed that young people were leaving the state not wanting to settle here
by the end of the day in the campaign in the Chicago area.
Or you need that to come back to Wisconsin.
And where did they run the ads to reach them?
They ran them at Metro commuter rail and CTA transit stations.
Bill, I can only say one thing.
Baker.
It's a great point, Bill.
Thanks, man.
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He's got your short train to sneak a few more callers in, like Rico from Rock County.
How you doing, Rico?
Hey, Rico.
Hey, hey, hey, how you guys doing?
Yeah.
I enjoyed hearing from your earlier caller Ross from Crawford County.
And I just, I had to give you my first time in period of sheen story.
I can back up.
He said that guns were like the most important thing.
The first time ever over there, I went there for a blues festival needed some beer when I got there.
So I went downtown looking for liquor store, fell me a liquor store.
Got out of my car, went in, you know.
And I must not have been paying attention went through the door,
look to my immediate left and saw every gun ever manufactured in the world.
It seemed every type of gun pistol and rifle.
And then I looked to my right and there was every type of alcohol in the world.
I had to do it the only place I've ever seen that it was like I was going into toilet.
Did anybody ever think about maybe, I don't know.
Don't just say it, you know, guys.
You're just saying the booze and the guns at the same time.
What?
You know, I told him quickly and Rico, I walked up, I went up to him.
I said, I want your cheapest gun, one bullet in a bottle of your finest whiskey.
He said, we don't sell, we don't sell bullets individually.
Great story, Rico.
Thanks for listening, buddy.
A few of the textures.
I don't need to own a car because of the railroad.
It'd be a $46,000 return for me.
Others ask, how's the Milwaukee trolley doing?
That was supposed to be great for mass transit in Milwaukee.
I get your point sometimes.
Folks, thank you for listening to the Devils F.K. Radio Show.
Well, air the grievances on Friday.
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