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And as a rarity, today, I have no moniker for the show.
I didn't want to think that hard.
Happy Wednesday to you.
Another hump day could be with you, Mike.
Great work on the board, our fair audience.
Happy, happy, hump day.
You know, as the announcer says greatest radio show ever, and I know we've been accused
of being too humble around here sometimes, but I think we say it just to reassure ourselves
sometimes.
Hey, I don't say the guy in the announcer says that I just follow the announcer.
What can I do?
Dominic, we are going to have a damn good show today.
I assure you in the audience, James Cawsey from the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel going to
come in at 430, streaming at 430, and his column today, the describes the race
assist bigoted stuff that he has received in the course of doing his professional career
as a journalist.
We're going to have a discussion about race and cause a more contemporary of ours, but
we're going to talk to an old dog, old radio dog, friend of ours, Earl Ingram, Milwaukee
Zone, Civic Media Zone, WAUK Zone, Earl's going to join us in the 5 o'clock hour.
We're going to continue this conversation about race through a few different generations
and see if the perspectives are different.
But now I'm going to tell you, I've got a differing perspective than an email I received
overnight from the Wisconsin GOP.
They send me an email and let me go back to the inbox, I want to make sure I get this
right.
It's I can't find the particular spot.
Here's the point.
It said Milwaukee Braves legend Warren Spine.
And then it's subject lined, unbelievable.
I'm like Warren Spine, okay, it's a great baseball player.
And I hear that Tony Evers porn name or pseudonym, as some would say.
So I get this unbelievably addressed email from the Wistio P. And I thought to myself,
I thought I had unsubscribed from their list, but apparently not.
And you know, here's, here's the greatest part.
They addressed it to me personally as Middleton, which happens to be the community I live in,
but not exactly my name, but you know, I'll take it.
As far as I'm concerned, they can identify me as Middleton.
You are now known as Middleton.
Middleton.
This is not actually the late Warren Spine, Milwaukee Braves legend.
We don't send 17,000 emails over fake names, hiding from the public.
You know who does though, Governor Tony Evers.
That's right.
Tony Evers has been using taxpayer dollars to send and receive at least 17,000 emails under
a fake email address Warren Spine at Wisconsin.gov.
Read about it here at the Wisconsin right now.
I'd prefer not to, but you know, we've been talking about this coverage.
We did bring it to your attention, you the audience.
And we don't think it's great that Tony Evers would, you know, follow the prior precedent.
I do find it, you know, typical that the GOP would use this as an opportunity to join
the fight.
Give now.
Not working for Wisconsin, you know, they got Tony Evers up the tap here.
You see on the ballot this year, Tom, I'm not sure.
You think fun to racing off Tony Evers is going to be a big money turnout mechanism.
I mean, isn't Tammy Baldwin on the ballot?
What was the Republican running against Tammy Baldwin again?
To be named later, TBD, TBD, love that band.
Now here's what it says over when you click the link to join the fight.
Not working for Wisconsin, Tony Evers.
And we're doing everything we can to restore integrity to our sacred institutions, what
not coming to the Constitution, of course, all right.
Like like fraudulent electors, is that instilling the competence, you know, fraud?
That's what they're down for.
Dominic joined us, the Wist GOP in the fight against corruption and cowardice.
Where's the cowardice exactly?
And cowardice by contributing any amount to our mission.
Even $10 would bring us a step closer to our goal.
Now this would go to the state party, right?
Won't they be fine shepherds of the money that got hacked for like $3 million?
I think they got some of it back.
No, I understand the national party.
The RDC start to cut back on expenses because they're worried because their donations
are way down.
Yeah, weird how that happens.
And my understanding, several of the state GOP parties are in dire straits as well, Michigan,
for example.
Well, I'm not sure what the financial wherewithal of the Wist GOP is, but they're fundraising
on the fact that Tony Evers has a poor name or a e-mail pseudonym.
And I don't like the policy.
And I even mentioned Tony didn't come up with this spread idea.
That came from the wankinator, the former governor, right?
But our friend Bruce Murphy over at the UrbanMillWalky.com online daily, I think he covers it
best.
When he says, Evers e-mail issue pales compared to Walker.
It's not even close fella on was pardon me on Sunday Wisconsin right now broke a story
reporting that governor Tony Evers had used an e-mail under a pseudonym that conducted
state business with over 17,000 e-mails set to and from the account.
On Monday, the rest of the media jumped aboard the story, including Wisconsin Public Radio,
whose UrbanMillWalky republished to those who know Evers history, the name of the account
Warren Spine at Wisconsin.gov, but had been a tip off as Evers as a kid was a huge fan
of Spine, the Hall of Famer, and Milwaukee brave stalwart for many years.
The state's top open record champion Bill leaders is a friend of ours, long time president
of the Wisconsin Freedom of Information Council was widely quoted suggesting this was
a problem.
But if so, it's one that goes back years, at least to the administration of Republican
Scott Walker, who used the pseudonym kevin dot Scott at Wisconsin.gov in conducting government
business as Walker's former chief legal counsel Katie Towsky noted, and Evers spokesman
Britt Kuttebeck explained that this was part of a digital security practice used for
more than a decade of prohibition spam and other e-mail correspondence that could monitor
or disrupt state information technology infrastructure.
And when the Evers administration has handled public records request, it has included any
relevant e-mails from the Warren Spine account, something the journal sent or verified in
a check of its own records request.
So dumb, one might think there's a better way to handle pesky and level it e-mails, though
no one has so far suggested what that might be, but there is so far no evidence that open
records rules were evaded by Evers, who apparently has retired the Spine account, and how
uses a different, let's call it private-facing e-mail to word off the e-mail deluge on his
official account.
Damn, I've sent a few there.
Krutte, all of which is a cry from the record of Scott Walker, who had a private e-mail
system and staffers using private laptops to connect to it.
The system was used to hide the illegal campaigning on the public time his staff was doing.
Two of Walker's staffers, Kelly Ryan Flush and Darlene Wink, were convicted of campaigning
on public time to help a like Walker in his successful 2010 campaign for governor.
I haven't heard those names in a long time, Krutte, you're going to bring back memories.
Kelly, right?
Bad memories.
Krutte, crimbly corrupt memories.
Yeah, nothing like getting paid by the taxpayers to campaign for your guy, Scott Walker, and
that's exactly what they did.
They were convicted of it.
Good.
Other aides were also convicted of violating campaign finance laws, along with other
charges, records of the investigation showed that Walker's staff used a separate Wi-Fi system
private e-mail accounts and different laptops to evade security of their activities and
operated the private router just 20 feet from his office.
In one e-mail, Ryan Flush said she used a separate laptop and e-mail quote, to do things
I shouldn't be doing on my county computer, unquote, Walker refused to say whether he knew
of or personally used the secret e-mail system, but in some of the e-mails he appeared to
be aware of it.
The John Doe investigation of his county office eventually expanded to his administration
as governor, but that probe was shut down by the Wisconsin Supreme Court.
Of course it was.
That's the former Supreme Court with a lot of conservatives, you know, think the gable
men said the patient's broken sacks and the bad Bradley and the Zigglers, but please
continue.
But there was considerable evidence that Walker had a similar operation going on as governor,
a close observer of his administration who attended numerous meetings with the staff told
urban Milwaukee in a February 2014 story that there was a system that seemed designed as
the county executive office was to enable staff to do campaign work on government time,
and evade public records request of this by using personal laptops and gmail accounts.
The source saw, quote, probably half a dozen staff members who had personal laptops at
their desk, including Walker's personal scheduler Dorothy Moore and his trusted lieutenant Keith
Gilks, both of whom had worked for him at the county.
This included gubernatorial staff on the second floor of the East Wing and some of the so-called
policy pit on the first floor below this were policy analysts for the governor worked.
The source said a number of Walker staff had private e-mail accounts and all using gmail
addresses by which they communicated with each other and were told to always use a gmail
address to staff to discuss anything political.
After the story broke, Walker denied to the media he had such a system, but in October
of 2015, a story by Madison TV station WKOW reported that it was leaked some of the private
e-mail addresses that Gilks and other staff used in May WKOW had asked Walker whether some
of the staff had used personal e-mail while working in the public payroll.
I don't know, said the governor, I mean not that I am aware of.
You weren't the John Doe, you weren't the target.
He knows.
They were doing that, they were working on the taxpayer dime for you, for you Scott Walker.
You think they're just doing that on their own in no direction from the county executive?
I mean, who walks in and sets up a private e-mail router with nobody knowing.
I mean, who knows what the password is, yeah, really, really?
There's more to those, perhaps we'll get back to it.
It's Kevin dot Scott, dot at Wisconsin.gov, Bruce Murphy, e-mails issue payers, appeals
compared to Walker, both as county exec and governor Scott Walker, systematically,
forbade it.
Public scrutiny.
Hey, Texter, are you a bottom or a top?
Eh, I'm a Middleton.
I don't know if you know the devil's advocates, but the show is kind of a big thing.
And we're back from the before 20 break, thank you for listening to the devil's advocates.
Radio show, call us 844-967-2789, James Caussi, journalist with the Milwaukee Journal,
seven of us joined us at the bottom of the hour.
And our pal Earl Ingram from WAUK and civic media fan joining us in the five o'clock
happier, happy hour, stick around for all of it.
And we'll make a little time right now for your calls if you dial quick at 844-967-2789.
But I just find it so ironic, the wish you'll be fundraising on the corrupt secret e-mails
of Tony Evers, the irony, rich, 844-967-2789, Matt for Madison, welcome, Matt, what do
you got for us?
Hey, Matt.
Hey, guys.
Hey, first a quick technical point, like I guarantee you the end user agreement on any
e-mails system that's generated with a .gov topic, has a FOIA disclaimer, so it's not
like they were getting around anything, and that's actually probably true of Scott Walker,
right?
So that's a, they're already overselling it there, but the funny thing is this is, it
kind of is very on brand where the Republicans love to look for a crime before it even
happened, right?
Because the crime would be denying a FOIA request, you know, freedom of information
and whatever by using this e-mail, but there's no proof that's happened.
These guys are always, but Matt, you're missing, you're missing the actual crime.
The actual crime was campaigning on the taxpayer dollar.
The crime is not the, that's why they're using the secret e-mail router system is because
Scott Walker's got his staff campaigning for them.
You see a different crime, different crime.
Right, because the server, the literal .gov servers are protected and have FOIA requirements
every time you log into them.
That's why he went with e-mail, because that stuff doesn't exist.
But yes, Walker and his staff do love that this is the best they have.
The best thing that they've been able to come up with to get Tony since 2018 is he did
as bad as our guy, but not even kind of in reality.
It's kind of it's, I don't know, I love it because that's the best thing we'll come up
with.
It's like but her e-mails, that's how aggressive ideas they are is a whole party.
Matt, do you recall the cascading corruption under the Scott Walker administration, the 14,000
e-mails released to the Guardian once upon a time, the checks, foreign exceeding campaign
finance limits, written to coordinating third party groups because Scott Walker asked
I mean, do they really want to relive the job, though, because I remember a lot of the
details.
It wasn't great, man.
It was, yeah, it cascaded until the Supreme Court stepped in and stopped it and they just
rewrote the law and said, burn all the evidence, get rid of the government accountability board
and the John Does and raise campaign finance caps and effectively, Matt, thank you for
calling, effectively allow unlimited donations to the party conduits and that
damn it.
Wouldn't you know what the Democrats hired their own raid maker and Ben Wickler, and that's
not worked out so well for the party of wanker, be careful of what you wish for.
But Tony's e-mails, 844-967-2789, Tom from Addison, you're next welcome, Tom, what do
you got?
Hey, Ben, Tom.
Hey, guys, I don't know if you caught the latest candle.
Tom Tiffany is on his Facebook page is calling for the funding the United Nations.
Because they asked the Americans to eat less meat, that's like much.
You know, Tom, I saw from one of the textures, and I think it was cam from Nina curious
what your guy's opinion an emotional support animal is.
And I thought to myself, Tom, well, sometimes they're delicious.
Beautiful, guys, great show.
Thanks, Tom.
I'm an equal opportunity offender, damn.
I like to bring this pet calf onto the plane, please.
Wasn't a love deal.
Wasn't the little lamb, Mary's support animal?
Exactly.
I bet it was just great with some mint jelly.
Go ahead.
The space of the urban at Milwaukee, by Bruce Murphy, you know, kind of articulating
some of the issues that Scott Walker put all of us through when he, you know, worked
to go from the county executive here in Milwaukee County up to the governor's office.
And as mentioned, his lieutenant in the satirical, they use Gmail.
So I get Matt's point, you know, I've got GOV, there's requirements, whatever.
But if you slide in a Gmail account, you can get anybody get a Gmail account.
If you got an internet access, you can get to it.
And who was it?
Was it one of the, I know crew, you got the great memory here, but was there one of the
people in Walker's circle who wanted people when they talked about things verbally?
Don't, don't, don't put it in writing.
Have a conversation.
Hell, that might have been his chief legal counsel, Brian Hegador, now Supreme Court
Justice, or maybe it was the principal.
I think it was wanker that effectively told his troops, do not write it down.
Only deliver information in a verbal form, because we don't mind any evidence.
It might have been Mike Hips.
A little more from Bruce Murphy.
Mike Hips was the number one at the Department of Administration.
He was the top cabinet officer of air quotes.
WKOW report is requested, all of the emails sent to or from the personal email address
of Gillux, the former Department of Administration Secretary Mike Hips, and Walker's second
Chief of Staff, Eric Chute, that contained official state business communications.
The governor's office ultimately sent 980 pages worth of emails to 27 news on Monday,
October 12, nearly four months after our initial request, WKOW reported.
In the first year of the Walker Administration state business was conducted through more
than 300 personal emails.
An attempt to justify the private email system, Walker's press secretary Laurel Patrick
told WKOW, our office also routinely trains staff to forward any emails related to state
business to their official accounts for the purpose of retention.
But the station noted that dozens of the emails, 27 news received, were never sent to an
official state account until they were forwarded to the government email address of Governor
Scott Walker's chief legal counsel, Brian Hagerdorn on July 31, 2015.
That date comes four years after the emails were originally written, and two months after
our open records request, of course, Hagerdorn now serves as the Wisconsin Supreme Court Justice.
No, John, don't burn the evidence.
Get rid of the referees.
But can you send me $10, the Wisconsin GOPS, because Tony Evers has an email address,
so it's not his name on a .gov server.
Give us money.
Don't worry about Walker, yeah, really?
I would never bring up Scott Walker again.
Do you realize it's been going on five years since Scott Walker was governor?
Well, and it could be longer and longer and longer will be he's not running.
What are you talking about?
Do you think he's obviously he has he has left his mark, shall we say?
Who do you mean?
He peed on every lamp post in the state.
At least to really relish the Walker bashing, I mean, it was it was it was so easy.
And it is so easy.
If you want to talk about corruption, Wisconsin GOP, read the Bruce Murphy article, hell,
call crudey.
He can, he remembers all of the stuff.
Case in verse.
Most of it.
Case in verse.
I mean, come on.
How you got to do is look at your own folks.
So, yeah, is it disingenuous?
Absolutely.
Will they get any money?
Maybe a little.
Are they hypocrites?
Yes.
Big time.
Is there a buddy Joe who used to say big time, maybe happy birthday, Joe Steinhouse?
Oh, happy birthday, Joe.
I saw his daughter posted.
So, you know, at least I acknowledged also happy birthday.
Phil, the he's the Godfather down in Richland Center, and I don't usually do birthdays
on the air, but you know, a few friends come back.
James Cossie.
We're going to turn it a little serious now.
A serious conversation about race.
James Cossie, a black journalist at the journal Sentinel, and you would not believe the tone
of the, let's just say, hate mail against James Cossie.
But the devils have kids next.
The devil's advocates sausage me, and they're looking so.
Welcome back to the devils.
Advocates radio show, the Wednesday edition.
We welcome a fine guest, a returning champion's James Cossie, a journalist from the Milwaukee
Journal Sentinel.
James, thank you for coming back.
Hey, thanks for having me back.
You wrote a hell of a piece, an opinion piece today in the paper.
I'm worn from years of racial slurs, but I'll no longer be silent about bigotry.
This was pretty candid stuff.
Why, why now?
Well, actually, I wrote the piece shortly after Miss Lumpkin, a channel four went through
what she went through, where she was at country thunder, and a white guy came up to her.
She was a journalist at channel four, and a white guy came up to her and called her to
inward.
And about a week later, I wrote a piece basically saying that I've experienced that
and much worse, but when I wrote it, my editor told me, he said, I think we could do this
better than that.
Why don't you take some time and really make it bigger and better?
And I did.
So over the course of time, I wanted to not just really talk about what I went through,
but I just wanted to shed light on how some people feel about African-Americans in this
city and in our state.
And so I really didn't want the piece to be just about me, but I wanted the piece to be
more about how certain people view other people just based on their race and based on
what they live.
And that's the point I really want to hammer home because I've been taking this for a
favor.
And I guess I'm a warrior at this, but what I really want to show is that racism is not
going away.
And if anybody believes it has their mistake and it's time to really speak out about it.
James, if you don't mind, let's talk about your experience though.
I know you don't want to make it just about you, but you've been through a lot as a journalist
just doing your job.
Right.
You started getting letters.
Tell us about that experience, please.
Well, yeah.
So I really want to paint this picture of what I've experienced in the first experience
that I had when I received a letter calling me to inward.
It was like the first time I ever received something like that in writing.
And, you know, honestly, it caught me off guard.
So I didn't really tell anybody.
I just took the letter I read it probably like 10, 10 times in a row and then I put it
away in my drawer at work.
And I went back and I read my piece again and like, you know, why would he call me that?
You know, and I was trying to, I was trying to figure out why, you know, a person would
personally attack me like that.
And then as I continued to write more and more, more letters started to come and I just
didn't understand it.
So, you know, I had brief talks with two of my mentors, Eugene Cain and Greg Stanford,
two legendary black journalists in the city who both passed away.
But, you know, I like to bring them up because they meant a lot to my career.
And they both had two different takes.
Eugene Cain, who a lot of people remember, was more of a fool.
He told me, you know, you know, just suck it up and just keep standing on their necks.
But Greg Stanford took more of a fatherly approach and he basically told me to, you know, rise
above the hate and just keep telling my story.
But, you know, really, you know, take a break from it, but keep coming back at these
issues because they need to be discussed.
But the letters got worse and worse and letters turned into emails, emails turned to letters
and started receiving at home.
And then it just over time, it just, it just gets to you, man, it wears you out.
It must.
James CAUSEY from the Journal Sentinel, a very moving piece, an opinion piece published
today.
I'm worn from the years of racial slurs, but I'll no longer be silent about the bigotry.
It does add up, sir.
And I can't tell you I've gone through anything analogous in my life because I have not.
As a white guy, I look like somebody stepped at, I get a pretty easy living out here in
the world.
But it's not like you have sought out these sort of racial epitats.
It's not through your actions except the simple act of doing journalism.
How do you not take that home to your family?
How do you not get discouraged at doing your job?
Does it ever affect your desire, James, to want to tell the truth as a journalist must?
Well, no, that would never stop me from being a journalist.
I once told my mother, I said, mom, if you do something bad, I'm going to write about
it.
So, no, that hasn't changed.
I've been a journalist all my life.
I mean, I started working at the paper at the age of 15.
I started working at the community journal at the age of 14.
So journalism is pretty much all I know.
I've had two jobs in my life.
I worked as a bus boy at Sizzler Steakhouse when I was in high school and I did that for
like six months and then after that, I've been working at newspapers all my life.
So that hasn't changed.
But what has changed is how people feel like they could just say anything to you and there
is no consequences.
And when Taylor Lumpkin went through what she went through, she took the Twitter and said,
hey, this guy just called me an inward.
I'm just doing my job and she received like 1.3 million views on her Twitter page after
she said that.
And I was like, well, I experienced this all the time.
I mean, there's, think about this.
You go to work every day and you get like snail mail.
You open up your snail mail.
Somebody's calling you a cune or an inward or this or that, a monkey, you know, the marked
up your columns calling you inward every single time you mention a word black.
I mean, over time, it wears you down to the point where you just get angry.
So I went from being angry to feeling sorry for some of these people because they just
don't know any better to, you know, some letters.
I just really want to post, but I pull back because I don't want to use my bully pull
pit in that way.
But over time, it's just ridiculous.
Nobody should endure that and I'm not going to take it anymore or else I'm just going
to quit.
That's just bottom line.
I'm going to take it anymore or else I'm going to quit.
I'm going to always be a journalist, but I'm not going to be a journalist that takes
that crap from anyone.
Folks, you're listening to the devil's advocates radio show James Colesy, you get columnist
at the Milwaukee Journal, setting all a big piece today, hell of a piece.
Thank you for writing it.
And I got to tell you, man, when I was reading this, it broke my heart.
Now I realize, obviously, I don't believe racism is gone, but to see you write this down
and the way you express it and the way it made you feel and how you've evolved.
But how this has shaped you, James, it is really, it's really touching.
In the piece of the journal, you have one of the sub headlines that says, you know, you
can't be beating people over the head with racism all the time, but it seems like you
kind of perhaps maybe we should be talking about this more often.
I was shocked, James, I got to tell you, man, I figured there's a few people out there
here and there, but the amount and the vitriol that was sent you away.
And even when you try to reach out to some folks and say, hey, let's go to lunch and talk
about it.
What happened there, James?
Yeah, so this one guy, he writes me a lot and he's always criticizing the black community
and he's always saying negative things about the black community.
And we came across this weekend where there was a lot of violence in the neighborhood or
in the black community and he sent me this email that was pointed.
And he basically said, you know, this is terrible.
How come nobody's speaking out about this?
And I say, you know, I understand it's terrible, but there's a lot of things I contribute
to the violence that we see in communities all the time.
You want to sit down and talk about how to treat your coffee, a coffee makes you black.
Maybe we could grab a meal and just, you know, talk about it, it's like, let me think
about it.
So, you know, the day before we set the date up and the day before us and in the emails
there, we still on it and knew that coffee makes you black, it's a coffee shop on the
north side.
He responds with this email message saying, you know, I thought about it, James, but knowing
you, you'll probably just sneak out the back and leave me stuck with the bill or something
to that effect.
It was something really unbelievable.
Yeah.
And, you know, and that's the part that really hurts because it really sets the tone
that some people really don't want to have real conversations about serious topics.
They're just rather complain and spit out what they think they know, but they really
don't want to have real conversations.
And that's the part that's troubling because if we don't, I try to create space for dialogue,
you know, and I try to create space where we could have conversations and not jump over
each other when we make mistakes because usually when you have conversations about race, feelings
are going to get hurt.
But if you're going to act like that, then there's no, I don't have time for people like
that anymore.
And I'm not going to make time in space for people like that who really don't want to have
real conversations.
They just want to continue on their racist tirades.
So I'm changing the way that I do things and I think people are going to notice that
right away.
And that in that vein, James, how does the newsroom fit into this in your opinion?
Well, honestly, the newsroom has a long ways to go and it's just not our newsroom.
This newsroom is all across the country.
We don't talk about race static that reporters go through.
And you know, that's why I felt that it was important to do this.
No one has ever talked to me about any kind of things that I've experienced and we know
racism exists.
I never had a boss come up to me and say, hey, James, I know that was a hard piece for
you to write.
You want to talk about nobody's ever done that kind of stuff, you know?
And that's got to change in newsrooms, not just our newsroom, but newsrooms everywhere.
And it should be a topic of conversation that we need to have.
And it's not just around just race, it's also around a misogyny that a lot of the women
reporters face as well because this isn't just a racial thing, it's a misogynistic thing.
Some of some female reporters have talked and expressed some things that were said to
them about people who shouldn't be saying those things about them, some of the words
that they've been called, some of the things that they've been called, the cat calls that
they received.
None of that stuff should take place because we wouldn't tolerate this in any other
feel.
And you know what's funny?
I work for a company that makes us take all these diversity and inclusion type tests.
You know, you have to sit in front of your computer for an hour and say, you know, you can't
do this, you can't do that.
And I do these all the time, right, like everybody in the newsroom, but still there's nothing
they're informed of public or how they should conduct themselves when they deal with us.
You know, so the public could be racist to us and treat us any kind of way, but we can't
respond back.
And we're supposed to take that, no, no, no, that's got to change.
There needs to be a societal change on a way that we treat each other.
You know, I'm just trying to do my job like anyone else and I should be entitled to do
that without being called names and called out my name.
James Causy, I wonder how much do you think right wing talk radio, the juggernaut that
right wing talk radio is affects the narrative on race in the community of Milwaukee, especially
when so often I hear the Dan O'Donnells, the Mark Bellings look to lead with the crime pages
and look to cast the city of Milwaukee as a place of criminals.
Does that factor in do you think to the greater attitudes?
You know, I think at all factors and it's not just talk radio, it's the way we cover media
in general covers communities of color and how it covers diet disadvantaged communities.
I mean, it's, we still, you know, even television news does this as well if it bleeds at leads.
I mean, how many times can you watch, you know, in the news and the first couple of things
that they give you is all trauma, other than whether you're bombarded with trauma, you're
bombarded with a shooting or high speed chase, crash, a stabbing, a fire.
There's no positive, there's hardly any, any positive news stories.
So we're bombarded with this over and over again, so people, we live in such, such segregated
communities, we don't really cross paths except at work.
So if the media doesn't change the way that it covers communities, then you're not
we're part of the problem too.
And so we have a long ways to go.
So I'm not just going to blame talk radio, it's all of us, it's, it's general news as
well.
We, we all have to do a better James, I know we're short on time.
I want to ask you one more question, DEI, diversity, inclusion, robin floss, the Republican
certainly take issue, they're willing to undermine the entire UW system to try and take
out any inclusiveness, any opinions you talked about, you're a different man now, James,
how would you deal with this in future journalism?
Um, well, you know, when I first heard him when he came up with this plan to eliminate
diversity and inclusion, my thought was, okay, why, why do we want to do it when we realize
that we have a race problem, instead of finding out ways to kill talking about race,
we need to be more inclusive and find ways where we could discuss our differences so we
could figure out how to fix this and we don't, nothing will change.
And I don't want my kids dealing with the same thing that I've gone through.
You know, so that's, that's just my take on.
James Clausey, well, we invited you on because we wanted your take, it was a strong one
today.
Uh, read the column, we posted it at our Facebook page and, you know, don't be cheap
and, you know, don't forget to subscribe to the journal sentinel, support good journalism,
like the work James Clausey does, James, thank you so much for joining us.
Very difficult.
Thank you.
And it's going to be in a paper on Sunday.
So grab the paper too.
Excellent.
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Dominique Fineguss, James Clausey, if you have not read the piece yet, make some time.
Read it.
Uh, the title.
I'm worn from the years of racial slurs, but I'll no longer be silent about bigotry.
It's on the digital journal sentinel today and will be in the Sunday paper this Sunday.
Feel free to pick it up.
Thank you, James Clausey for your candor hard for me to say, but I mean it.
Thank you James.
Absolutely.
You know, and you can read it and you know, the guys just putting his, his soul on the
paper, you know, I mean, you can't read this piece and not feel it.
If you have any empathy and concern about racism in this country, it's, and, and fortunately,
I wonder also with all the, you know, with the past administration, Trump, you know, talking
about the media being in the enemy of the people and all that, I wonder if that's, you
know, picked up in the last six years versus, you know, the years prior, but we certainly
appreciate James's time.
And we also appreciate our friend, Earl Ingram, our colleague.
He's been our buddy since about the time we launched it.
The walkie-dum, Earl Ingram joined the team on February 1st, 2017 has been broadcast
him with us since then.
I'm going to join us in the happier, happier, where it gives us his perspective on race.
And he's a little older man than James, a little older man than us, too dumb, hold it against
him.
Not all.
That comes with the wisdom.
Yes.
Hopefully.
Not so much always.
So almost doing it for eight, four, four, nine, six, seven, two, seven, eight, nine
year opinions.
Welcome here.
Welcome, Jan from Madison.
What do you got for us?
Hi, Jan.
Hi.
Well, I wanted to say something about the diversity initiative at the university since
I did participate in some of the preliminary educational session.
Yes, ma'am.
And I found that they were extremely beneficial and there are no way geared towards race solely.
They are programs that are set up to help people understand differences.
And what I mean by that is we disabilities, type A versus non-type A people, just learning
that not everyone is like me.
And that's okay.
But again, Robin Boston, others like him.
They like to see us all bickering with one another and not not finding any common ground
because that helps them get away with the things that they're getting away with.
But yeah.
And so I don't understand it why they would not want an educated group of people coming
up other than they maintain their power by using their aggressive behavior to discriminate
against people.
Well, I think you pretty much checked all the boxes there, Jan.
Excellent.
Call any other thoughts?
Yeah, I bet I won't go into them.
Thank you for your call, Jan.
Thank you, Jan.
Let's not forget.
This is the divide and conquer party.
Right?
I mean, that's what Scott Walker said.
Party was?
Yeah, certainly.
Yeah.
We never had a worry when Walker was the governor about leading with the crime story because
it was always Walker, Bash and man, he earned it each and every day.
Eight, four, four, nine, six, seven, two, seven, eight, nine, Jack, for Mayor Mack, you're
up.
Welcome, Jack.
What do you got for us?
Hey, Jack.
Well, yeah.
I'm not going to say that every Democrat is innocent of this, but the Republican Party
has made open and non-dog whistle, even just blatantly racism, just fine, thank you.
Whether it was the ads that allowed arguably the least qualified and worst senator in the
entire Senate to regain its seat or.
Brian Johnson, you reference against Mandela Barnes.
He did quite a bit of racial profiling and can trusting him and comparing him with the,
what, the walkish or parade killer, right?
Yeah, exactly right.
Yeah, that was really a disgusting ad campaign and Johnson didn't exactly repudiate it either,
but repudiate it.
I mean, it was the central foundation of his campaign.
Yeah, yeah, plus you got guys like Tommy Puberville in the Senate who was creating halvaak
and admitted racist and you got, I can't remember the name of the guy that was running for
the speaker of a house and he said, I'm David Duke without the baggage.
Steve Scalise.
Steve Scalise.
I mean, this is, it's so disgustingly blatant, I'm an old white guy, okay?
I marched in many of the civil rights marches back in the 60s.
That's how old I am and I wasn't a child either and I know I see this kind of crap coming
around again.
I'm sorry.
I shouldn't probably use that word on the air, but it's just, it's disgusting.
That's all I can say.
Well, Jack, crap's not going to get us banned by the FCC, so you're okay for now.
We're still a friend of the doubles.
Thanks for your call.
And it's pertinent.
It's a great descriptor and it is disgusting, eight, four, four, nine, six, seven, two,
seven, eight, nine, stick around, Jack, you know, our buddy Irling was going to come around
at the five o'clock hour.
He's about your age.
We'll get into some of those civil right marches, perhaps, Cam, a little younger up in
Nina.
Welcome, Cam.
What are your thoughts today?
Hey, Cam.
Hey, so one thing that I think that people need to understand for any of the racial
issues, when we talk about them, I genuinely think that a lot of these people out here that
think like, oh, black gangs, black crimes, like they're a big problem.
Milwaukee is black crime central.
They are not capable of viewing things in someone else's shoes.
So a short history lesson.
I am not sure which Republican president was, but I am pretty certain that it was the
Reagan administration, like most things.
They contributed a lot to the continued segregation, housing, lowering values for homes in black
neighborhoods.
And I believe they're when Ronald Reagan, Cam, when Ronald Reagan made his announcement
for the presidency, he went to Philadelphia, Mississippi, which was a site of basically
a racial violence.
And some said he picked it purposefully and you might be shocked if you look back and
if memory serves, I believe his motto was make America great again.
Yeah, and I don't believe it considering his administration knowingly allowed the CIA
to put crack cocaine into the black communities to get them addicted.
All his heart and his mind told him he wasn't committing any crimes, but the facts
said otherwise.
But the facts said otherwise, Cam and by the way, I won't really eat your support animal.
It's just trying to make funny on the radio.
You know, I'm not that weird.
Come back with us, Earl Ingram.
He will not eat your animal.
Either he's a good guy, he's a friend of ours, you'll want to stick around.
