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Damn, I'm very, very excited for this Tuesday edition.
The last live show we're doing before the Thanksgiving holiday weekend.
Happy Tuesday.
Things like a Friday to me, pretty good to see you, Nate working the board, working hard
to thank you, my friend, and our fair audience.
Happy, happy Tuesday.
Well, down like this date, it's a red letter day on the calendar as well.
I circled it not just because Scott Ross is coming down here to the WMDX 92 7 FM studios
Firebrand, Jim and I, our friend, he'll be here soon, not just because of Scott, but
November 21st.
I've circled this day on the calendar for weeks, perhaps longer, Dom, oral arguments.
In the Wisconsin Supreme Court, I've been eagerly anticipating this day, Dom, and the question
that came to my mind, how long into the oral arguments would it take before the bad
Bradley, Rebecca Bradley, just showed her true partisan stripes, just through reds
and stuff out there as full bag of Dom.
How long do you think it would take?
I didn't think it would take long, Crudy, and I was right.
She went under like my protection.
I would have thought more than virtual seconds.
The man just started speaking.
Now we've got some sound.
We've, we've got some sound to start this show, Dom, Nate, a very capable producer, it's
going to help us out here, Nate, pull the sound and play a little bit of the sound.
Let's, let's start.
I'm sorry, I'm looking for the numerical numbering of the sound.
Well, how long, how many licks does it take to get to the center of a partisan bad Bradley
Dom?
One, two, not more than three, let's count it down.
Ship shows in three, two, good morning, and may it please the court.
The Wisconsin Constitution's redistricting requirements are not optional.
Also?
Yes.
Also, where were you?
Six seconds.
Six seconds.
Two years ago, because we've already been through this.
I didn't get more than three licks into my tootsie compound.
Oh, my.
She has an all figure.
It's almost like she's prejudging the case.
You might wonder.
I mean, if you're going to go after the guy like that, didn't even get his opening statement.
I didn't even take his first breath and you jump on him like that.
What?
Where were you two years ago?
Well, you don't even know the merits of the case that do you judge?
I mean, you're going to let him talk first, or does you already prejudge it?
She's a little meft.
I mean, are we sure it's not Karen Bradley, justice Karen Bradley?
Little Karen issue.
Well, you know, thank goodness, Tom, when it came time to do questioning of litigants
before the court.
She, you know, she, she didn't fluff it up at all for Rick Eisenberg and the Wisconsin Institute
of Law and Liberty.
Let me prove you're lying, you're on earth.
You do what it rules.
Here's good Bradley, correcting perhaps bad Bradley, bad Bradley, the partisan one, she
goes first, played for the people cut to.
So I'll ask you if you consider this to be a fair tribunal that will independently and
impartially consider your arguments in this case when three justices on this court ruled
against your clients and a fourth justice conveyed her predetermined position on the Johnson
case is by campaigning on a mantra that the maps adopted in Johnson were rigged and
saying she agreed with the dissent in the maps case.
It's interesting one only one justice on this court has in a legal writing on the
case.
Excuse me, Justice.
I would appreciate the courtesy of you not interrupting me and I would like to hear a
response to my question.
I will cut a bitch.
Wow, excuse me, while I continue talking in my loaded terms about predetermined, that's
quite an assumption you're making their justice, especially given you to let the opposing
attorneys have more than six seconds of conversation before you so rudely interjected.
You know, so often we would see partisan rulings from the prior court and it was almost like
they'd gotten used to it like might makes right.
So whenever we say it, it's true.
This seems like a very troubling time in the bad Bradley's life.
What is it?
Karen?
Oh no.
I'm sorry.
Get that wrong.
Yes.
I think she's really apologizing to all the Karen's out there.
I think she's really struggling with this newfound, you know, sort of judicial minority.
She finds her.
She's status.
Yeah.
Life's a bit sometimes.
And it's like she feels like she's being discriminated against her ideology in some
way, shape or form time.
Well, you know, I was encouraged.
I did see the coverage over at the Guardian.
If I understood it, they were claiming, at least through their headline and their reporting
down Wisconsin Supreme Court appears poised to strike down legislative maps and end Republican
dominance.
I like that headline.
That's a great headline.
The I want to read it again.
Can I read it again?
Yeah.
You read it.
Do you see the little above the headline, little red headline down?
I think you should also read that one.
Oh, that's the fight for democracy.
Yes.
That's what we're doing.
We're fighting for democracy in Wisconsin because, of course, if it was big D democracy,
you know, like the Democratic Party, they'd be telling Justice Proto Sabots, she must
recuse.
Of course, they're telling her that now, well, sure, we'll see, but apparently, according
to the reporting of Jesse Poien at the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel, did not play Justice
Proto Sabots a big role today in this hearing.
Here is how the Guardian is reporting, and at least a little bit of the reporting there
of Dom, the Wisconsin Supreme Court appeared poised to strike down the current maps for the
state legislature after three hours of oral arguments on Tuesday, a decision that could
be in more than a decade of Republican dominance and eliminate some of the most gerrymandered
districts in the United States.
How will Luya, if that is indeed the ruling they conclude to dumb?
Now the Ford Liberal Justices on the Court all seem ready to embrace an argument from
the challengers in the case, Clark V. Wisconsin Elections Commission, that the maps violate
the state's constitution because they include more than 70 districts.
It was unclear, however, how the Justices would handle the redrawing of the map, and whether
it would immediately order elections for the entire legislature next year in new districts.
That is the hope of many, right, Tom?
Now Wisconsin voters elect 90 dynasty members every two years, but only half of the 33
member states Senate would normally be up for elections next year.
Much of today's oral argument focused on how to impact the definition of contiguity in
the Wisconsin Constitution.
The document mandates that assembly districts be bounded by county, precinct, town, or wardlines
to consistent of contiguous territory and be in compact form as practicable.
It says the state senate district shall be comprised of convenient contiguous territory
despite that requirement, 75 of the state's 132 legislative districts, 52 and 54 in the
state assembly, and 21 in the senate contain at least one detached piece detached seems
like opposite of contiguous.
I'm just saying that would be a no lawyer here, but there's just seems like that those
two are like exactly opposite.
Now, Dom Taylor Meehan and attorney for the legislative Republicans argued that districts
had long been considered to be contiguous, as long as they kept towns, counties and wardshole
in Wisconsin, localities have annexed discontinuous, a disconnected parts of land that have resulted
in strange shapes.
You can define contiguity strictly or as loosely as you want, she said.
That's the tale leading the dog.
I'm pretty sure we were supposed to look at the definition to determine what the law
is.
According to Jill Karatsky, a liberal elected in 2020 who has some of the most, let's call
employment questions, Dom.
And the good Bradley, Justice and most Bradley, another liberal on the court said history from
the time of Wisconsin's constitution, let her to believe that it was unconvincing the
contiguous, could mean something other than physical contact.
No contiguous touching, Dom, no touching me, Dom Mark Raybury, lawyer for the nonprofit
campaign legal center who represented some of the challengers also said that it was possible
to draw physically contiguous districts that included the detached portions.
There's not a single place in Wisconsin that it's not possible to build districts with
county town and boardlines and to be 100% contiguous.
I'll jump in here just a bit more Cody in 2011 Republicans drew districts for the state
legislature that were so distorted for in their favor that it made it impossible for them
to lose their majorities.
Last year, the state Supreme Court implemented new maps that made as little changes possible
from the old ones with lawmakers and the state's Democratic governor reached a redistricting
impasse.
The court's liberal wing seemed unsettled on how they would proceed with the potential
remedy to fixing the maps state election officials have said they would need a new map in place
no later than March 15th of 2024 for use in next year's elections.
The justices asked all the lawyers in the case on Tuesday to submit the names of nonpartisan
map makers who could serve as a special master to advise them in coming up with new maps.
Okay, the request signal, the court was aware of the need to move quickly if they are
going to strike down the map.
Map maker, map maker, make me a map.
Yes, please.
With a lacquer tea, do it quickly and make them contiguous.
What about this bad Bradley?
Does she not have two years, no, Cody, we're talking about this already.
Where were you then?
Well, I was right here on the radio.
Why did you answer me, crude, I'm talking to you.
Where were you then?
You know, the last guy that did this is very important to ask you to come back more of the
greatest radio show ever.
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Hey, we are back from the 420 break.
Thank you for listening to the Devil's Advocates radio show.
Stick around our pal Scott Ross.
He's going to join us in studio at Madison at 430.
It's going to be a fun day because I've also got fine comedian joining me from the comedy
club right downstairs, you know, right downstairs here on State Street coming up to the WMDX
studios, his name Kevin Bozeman, I was watching some of this stuff on the YouTube's last
night.
Funny guy.
Apparently his tradition down, he does a pre Thanksgiving day show at the comedy club,
you know, sort of his tradition Wednesday before Thanksgiving, not everybody wants to get
home to see grandma, see grandpa, pull my finger, you know, there's some people, some
of us would like to avoid this holiday season, some families don't want to spend that time
together.
Perhaps when I go out and have a good time.
So a comedy club show on a Wednesday night could be a fun time.
Now, Dom, I had a different sort of time today and I was visited by Santa Jeff and that
was a good part.
That was the good part of the day.
Jeff, one of our frequent textures, he's the kid I punched on the bus way back in high
school.
I thought he was nice with me, it was another kid, but he bore the brunt and got the punch.
But we've become friends, you know, water under the bridge this many years later.
And Jeff and friends and influencing people, Santa Jeff so generously brought me two bottles
of booze.
Oh, you, what about me?
Well, you don't believe them.
So they must be for me, both of them believe in Santa.
Santa, Santa brings me booze, I believe, I know you believe in tequila.
No kids, if you don't believe in Santa, he's not going to bring you anything.
So of course, even to this day, what, 21 and 18, they claim they still believe, I don't
know if they do.
Dom, do you believe in holiday miracles?
Do I believe in holiday miracles like like miracles that only happen out of the holidays
or that just generally happen like a Wednesday?
Like a proceeding the holiday miracle, like I feel like I had a little brush with a holiday
miracle today.
Yeah.
Because the other stopper buyer, not the comedian, he's coming later, not Scott Ross, he's
coming soon.
Santa Jeff, not the booze, he brought the booze, I'll hopefully have some next time I've
rolled on the tone.
Don't count on it.
But there was one other visitor in the crudey life in a conversation long form, the anticipated,
and say eagerly, the anticipated conversation with CJ has occurred, oh, oh, we put it on,
we put it on tape down laid down some tracks, did you?
We did.
And it's going to play out in lieu of, you know, our absence on Thanksgiving day will
be spending time with our respective families, but we're going to have a miraculous conversation
between crudey and CJ.
And you all know CJ, he's been banned from the network.
He was elected 20, 22 douchebag of the year right here on the greatest radio show ever.
Not so much that we put him up for the award, not the audience did.
Yeah, audience.
I mean, that was an elected, they did, it was the audience and we stand by our audience.
So I did question, you know, why would a man put himself through this sort of public
ridicule as you do CJ?
And you know, that's how it started buttering them up and all that kind of stuff down.
But in case you were wondering, you know, what sort of a failed exercise this they interned
to.
Yes, that's exactly what I'm wondering because, you know, I've had high expectations that
I could break them down, that I could find the humanity behind the trolling on air radio
character that is CJ, I just felt like I've seen little glimpses of it.
I could pull it out of them.
And they was here.
I think I did a good job.
Good enough, good enough for radio work, good enough for Thanksgiving.
No one's going to listen anyways.
But it's got to play out.
Hey, hey, man, WBA awards, man, best interview of the year.
You got me, you know, bringing the people together.
This could be this could be the ticket, baby.
I would like to say this will set the bar for a civil conversation between a reasonable
human being and a Trump, oh, still going to vote for Trump if, if Trump's the nominee,
still going to vote for Trump.
Big fan of our show though has been for a decade or more, I know, still making the claim
he got the very first t-shirt we ever gave away.
But you ordered those.
You said those were pretty thin and didn't last for a long time, yeah, those were pretty
thin.
Well, for those looking for a little holiday miracle and a reason to tune into the greatest
radio show ever, this Wednesday or pardon me, Thursday.
Thanksgiving's always on a Thursday, right?
This Thursday, yes, after the Packers, crush the lions, that'll be my little Thanksgiving
miracle, a little of crudian CJ.
And I want to give you a little flavor of how it ends.
Just in case you think there's nothing redeeming about this interview.
And there's very little redeeming, but there's a little, there's something, something there.
There's something there.
Nate, let's, let's just play how it ended.
I gave CJ the last word, if you will, damn.
And the last word was so.
Play it.
Thank you for this opportunity, crudy, and God bless you and your family and all your
listeners.
I hope they have an amazing holiday, Christmas Thanksgiving, because we truly are blessed
to be in the star-spangled banner country, so that's where it ended.
So, if I producer said I could clip off the soul, I'm like, I don't want CJ taking out
a context.
There was no but.
There was just, there was just, there was just the end of the statement.
I mean, that's, it seems like a very nice.
I might have interrupted after the soul, like, so that's all I got to say is what I assumed,
you know, I have to say about that.
So, okay.
And again, I know you're going to tease it when I got to play the whole thing.
And I could listen on Tuesday, of course, when you were, you also don't know what they
are doing.
It's pretty first nomination, for sure.
Are you convinced it was worth your time?
Are you convinced this is something that could lead to something else or are you convinced
that this was a worthwhile endeavor?
I would like to think it is perhaps a demonstration and communication excellence that all could
model and follow up, you know, like, I set the bar so you can talk to your Trumpster
uncle, this, this Thanksgiving and go, God, if only I could do it like Rudy does it.
And that is in a human way.
And a lot of them ramble at various types, I knew he was rambling.
We're all, I mean, what you say in human way, I mean, what does that mean to the human,
we're all human, man.
So can you be a little more specific in what you mean by that, Nate, Nate, be my witness
here.
I got a witness.
I almost made him cry.
He did become very choked up and emotional.
I did have to go tap some emotional well items, rub some onion in his eye, but no, I think
he was very human.
I think he, we found three or four different things we agreed on, major policy points down.
I'm going to tell you.
He and I could solve the immigration policies of this nation, but that would take at least
another hour and, you know, once all I got come back with a Scott Ross, he's got at
least 30 minutes for us, I hope more devil's advocates, it's going to get funer up in
here.
It's the funnier, funnier fun hour with Scott Ross.
The devil's advocates, the fix for political junkies everywhere.
Welcome back to the devil's advocates, right now, I've been looking forward to this Tuesday
for a long time, oral arguments before the Wisconsin Supreme Court, the Guardian headline
leads me to believe that the liberal majority might overturn these.
The M on fair maps down a few of the textures Andrew from Verona says sucks to be in the
minority.
And then he also texts in what a bitch.
I think he's talking about the Karen Bradley, the bad Bradley camp for Nina says I'm jealous.
I bet a kid's hand all the way through kindergarten, no Christmas gifts for me.
And then here's a clever one.
Get T shirts that say CJ says so, you know, get it, CJ says so how the interview ended there.
So so I got to find guests next to me here at the WM DX Solidarity Realty Studios.
He is a Gemini Firebrand damn sexy man, friend of our Scott Ross.
Welcome back Scott.
It is great to be here.
Good to see you both.
Good to see you Scott.
Thank you, man.
Oral argument Tuesday and it took a matter of virtual seconds.
I did not, I got to be honest.
See the over under is 10 seconds or less on the bad Bradley, just jumping in and showing
her true partisan color.
Scott.
Well, listen, I mean, Rebecca Bradley, I mean, Rebecca Bradley was going to be as obnoxious
as humanly possible because she is bought and paid for by the interest that do not want
us to have fair maps in Wisconsin.
She has been on the wrong side of literally every fight.
The progressives care about, the common sense cares about.
And so I'm, I was again like you, I am, I'm not a betting man.
I would have thought they would have let the guy talk for about a minute or so.
But 10 seconds, yes, she was in there aggressively trying to refute the fact that, you know,
the maps are rigged.
It's against the law for maps to be rigged.
And the only reason these maps survived was because four Republicans were in charge who
were bought and paid for by the by the special interests who wanted these maps to be in
place.
We've just this bad Bradley doesn't give a damn about her bad reputation or her public image
because I mean, she was just begging to be labeled a partisan, not just in how she interrupted
the council leading for the plaintiffs, but also how she led brick Essenberg from Will.
Oh, your honor.
Let me fluff it up for you, sir.
That was so partisan, the, the line of questioning also showed her true colors to my opinions.
God.
Well, I agree.
I mean, again, we're talking about like, you know, the, the, the, the criticism that Republicans
haven't, if it wasn't the rigged statement or whatever, you know, judge Janet said,
it would have been something else.
Like this was, this is Armageddon for them because they have had lockstep control of the
Supreme Court for 15 years.
And that has allowed them to pass whatever unconstitutional things they want.
And because it's been their last, you know, it's been the Republicans.
It's been their, you know, their lucky charm, their, you know, their, their last place to
be able to make this stuff happen.
And I'm unsurprised of her conduct.
I mean, you know, listen, when it comes to Rebecca Bradley's corrupt partnership with
Rick Essenberg and the Wisconsin Institute for Law and Liberty, let's not forget for one
second that Rick Essenberg wrote not once, not twice, but thrice to get her her three appointments
to various levels of the court, including the, the, the Supreme Court.
And she has ruled in favor of his side 100% of the time on the bench.
And that includes at least 12 cases.
So, you know, let's not kid ourselves.
She has never recused on any of these things.
I think the press has ignored this.
And I think it's, you know, to the detriment of democracy.
Scott Ross, I appreciate that you've rebind me.
It's Rebecca.
I keep wanting to say Karen or bad Bradley, I understand.
I love the, I mean, I literally like if there's the one picture that, uh, that's out there
sort of the stock photo over, over Becca Bradley that just literally could be the dictionary,
you know, when you have the dictionary entry that says Karen, it would be that picture.
So I understand, I understand why you're a little bit, you know, led in that direction.
A little confused, uh, Scott Ross, our friend, you can find him on the Twitter at Ross
across the UI, uh, Scott, you put this out there today, responding to Will, Will of course,
very supportive of the voucher schools, uh, taxpayer fund and school privatization exist
in Wisconsin because the deciding vote on the Supreme Court illegally colluded with Republican
operatives to win his seat.
Ross, what do you mean?
Yeah, back in 1997, when, uh, uh, Wilcox, John Wilcox got onto the court.
He got on as part and in part, um, by illegally colluding with a, uh, an outside interest group,
um, which was prohibited under the law at the time.
Uh, you may remember that, uh, Scott Walker and, and Robin Voss undid that law in 2015,
so that, you know, nonprofit groups, outside groups that are doing spending in, in, in campaigns
can now collude legally, I guess coordinate legally with political campaigns, um, and it's
not a foul of state laws.
Um, and so, uh, and interestingly enough, um, Robin Voss's third spouse so far is the
bag person for the assembly, uh, special interest group that has spent about seven and a half
million dollars to attack Democratic candidates over the last X amount of years and get
Robin to the point where he has that continuing majority boyied, of course, by the fact that
the maps are completely and totally rigged and you'd have to be like brain dead to, to,
to argue otherwise.
But I'm sorry back to the Republican arguments back to, uh, now with this, with this, you
know, new majority Supreme Court, do you think that, um, you know, schools receiving taxpayer
funded vouchers, uh, this will be something that they'll have to look at that they will
look at again.
You think this is still something that needs to be settled.
I would love to see it settled, you know, because again, I think that the evidence has been
the contrary, and I'll say this right off the bat that like, you know, my mom was a public
school teacher.
My grandmother was a public school teacher when my dad lost his job in the mill.
He had a teaching certificate.
So he was my, uh, substitute shop teacher.
So I'm in the tank for public, for, for public education and I'm not an attorney, but
what I do know is that private, you know, the privatized schools that we're giving our
money to, there's a couple of things that happens with them.
First and foremost, they can reject any student they want.
Unlike public schools, which take all students because their public schools and that's for
the public good, private, these privatized schools can, you know, reject whoever they
want.
The other thing is they can take a student for a week, then kick that student out and guess
what?
They get to keep the voucher.
Like those two things, I think in particular need to be revisited for sure, but again,
I don't think we should be able to, uh, to, I don't think that my tax dollars should
go towards supporting private interests, but, you know, private and in some car, a lot
of instances, religious operations, like that's against what we're supposed to be as
a people.
So I also am sympathetic about people who are in those, in those programs, you know, but
I think the, I think the real challenge with it is is like, you know, when you talk
about like charters, for instance, that was supposed to be a very small ships that get
sent out, you know, to like see and explore and, and, and, and, and, and, um, you know, and
innovate and do things that are in smaller things because a big giant, you know, you think
of like a big public schools, like an ocean liner.
And these smaller things could go off and they were supposed to bring what they're learning
back to incorporate that into public schools, but instead what they've become is this, you
know, cash cow for the privatization cartel.
And that's what, and, and that I think is to the detriment of all of us because public
education is the thing that solves 90% of our, of our, of our societal ills, good education.
Scott Ross.
Man, he almost talked me out of my thought here for a moment, um, politics makes strange
bedfellows. And Governor Tony Evers finds himself on the same side, at least of the current
lawsuit brought by, I believe it's the Banakwa Brewing Company Super PAC that they don't
want the Wisconsin Supreme Court to be the court of original jurisdiction.
Well, I would agree with that assessment.
And I don't think that's a necessary thing, district court, a public court, Supreme
court, but ultimately Scott, um, how do you think Robin Voss and Tony Evers found themselves
on the same side of any issue?
I, uh, they crossed the street to walk on opposite sides.
Don't they, Scott, as I understand it, you know, what I know, what all I know is what
I read in the paper, but, uh, yeah, I mean, I, you know, I can't, I can't argue with
the law. I can't argue what parts of the law that they feel are not good in this particular
lawsuit, you know, because I mean, I mean, I, who's been a bigger, you know, I mean, Tony
and Governor Evers has been a huge champion of public education.
You know, he's done what he can do that again.
And a lot of things is, you know, they, you know, he has to deal with the Republican Legislature
which will do nothing to support public education in any way, any way, shape or form of Republican
legislature. And so he's got some, you know, he's got some constraints. But yeah, no,
I mean, I don't know enough, I just don't know enough about that lawsuit to tell you fair
enough. Let's come back to the issue of the day and the redistricting because that's what
people want to hear about today. Um, Scott Ross, the redistricting, if the court is indeed
as the guardian might want, and as crudy might want, and many of our listeners, the courts
are sympathetic. They overturn the current legislative maps. Do you think there's any
chance in hell this plays out in a timeline that allows us to see new maps cast for next
years, 2024 elections? Yeah, I mean, the Wisconsin Elections Commission said they just need
maps by March 24th. That's, you know, four months from now. And then plenty of time.
And then Robin Voss, of course, appeals to the US Supreme Court. And if they choose to
wait and there's no way we meet these timelines. Well, if they, you know, if they choose to throw
those out, but they'd have to overturn our law. And then that would, I guess, what restore
our lousy maps. You know, so I guess it does. I mean, we'll have to, you know, I'm just
worried about the timelines, not, not necessarily even the overturning of the ruling like they
kind of did the last time through these change maps. I'm just worried that if they wait
in and they stay the Wisconsin Supreme Court ruling, they won't effectively get the
ramps rolled out in time for people to make decisions about what district they live
then. Yeah. And maybe if they want to, you know, run for elected office in that district.
Yeah, no, I agree. And I think we'll see, you know, the Republicans use everything, every
tool at their disposal because this is Armageddon for them. Now, whether or not the US Supreme
Court will participate in this assisted rigging of elections. I mean, it's, it's certainly
possible. You know, I guess, you know, it would, you know, I have the experience of, you
know, we would want a federal court case when I was at one Wisconsin now restoring a bunch
of the rights that were taken away as far as voting and early voting and all that sort
of thing. And it was in place for four years until, you know, a couple of months before
the election, a three judge panel on the seventh circuit that was then controlled by Republicans
led by Diane Sykes throughout the victory, you know, this after I was gone from owned,
but threw it out in 2020, a couple of months before the election. So, you know, I don't
think that there, I think that pretending that the courts, you know, the federal courts
are any less partisan when it comes to the way Republicans operate than the state Supreme
Court here would be foolish to say. So I think they'll do whatever they need to do if
they decide it's worth them getting the getting the lousy price. Well, at least Rudolph
Randa won't catch that case. No, not unless they have that case at the Boneyard.
Well, Scott Ross, our fine friend. Also, man, you're, you're like, you're like super popular
on Twitter, man. I mean, Rep Derrick van Orden is tweaking out on you. What, what does
you do to earn such recognition, Scott? I don't know. I was trying to figure out like so,
you know, I mean, I poke Van Orden all the time, like he's a January six terrorist insurrectionist
who's in the Congress, a guy who is so cowardly, he refused to debate Brad Paff for God's
sake. You know, Brad's a great guy, but Brad's not somebody you think of when you think of like,
you know, Clarence Darrow arguing things if we're going to use old legal metaphors. But,
I don't know what happened. I was going to say, I don't know if he like sobered up or got drunk
or a staffer's doing it, but like in the last three days, I've gotten six things back from him.
He's going at me. It's going after my family. I mean, if you, you know, if making fun of
Bob Ross and I for having the same name is like, you know, making fun of my family, but still,
I mean, it's just bizarre. It's bizarre. Does he think you're related? I mean, is he just,
well, here's the thing. I'm going to, you know, here's an exclusive for all of your listeners.
Yes. My first name is actually Robert. So technically, I am Bob Ross. Oh, you just blew my mind,
man. As was my dad. My dad's first name. My dad's first, my dad went by Bob Ross. He,
that, you know, so I, you know, when I was in college, I used to tell people, oh, yeah, Bob Ross.
Yeah. My dad's named Bob Ross. I don't even know you. Bob's got Ross. Hey, hey, hey,
this is amazing. Everything's going to be okay, Mike.
Is it, is it? I mean, Derek Van Morden is a congressman. I mean, the guy walks around and gets on
planes with loaded guns. Scott, I mean, I just have the return flights. Yeah, I mean, I guess you miss,
I mean, I was out at the Dane County Airport last week because I went to go see my brother in
Pittsburgh, but like the sign is like, you know, as far as like saying, you can't bring a gun on a
plane is, you know, about eight feet tall at the Dane County Airport. And I know he wasn't flying
out of that, but I think most airports have a thing saying you can't. I mean, this guy's a climbing,
you know, look at this guy. This is a guy who like admitted to sexually harassing another person
and, you know, a woman in the, in the service, a guy who, you know, attacked a teen, LGBT person in
a library, went after the kids drunk in the Capitol and, you know, it's just generally like an
unsavory character. And those are his good qualities. There you go. He's got Ross. He's got many fine
qualities. Some he hides from sight, you know, then just friends. One of his greatest qualities.
Tweeting his superpower.
June, I flamed through our friend at the Devil's Advocates. Come on back more with Scott Ross.
You should meet my friend CJ. You guys would love each other. You'd have quite a conversation.
The Devil's Advocates. Sausage making never looked so good.
I have a request for you for listening to the Devil's Advocates.
Radio, go make two, download these Civic Media app. Super cool. You can take the doubles with you
everywhere you go. You can hit the button to call or to text. Again, that's the Civic Media app
before it et your app store. Scott Ross, our fine guest here in the Madison W MDX 92.7 FM
Studios. Scott, I feel a little bad. I mean, friend of the Devil. That's the greatest
tune you could possibly want, but we didn't even ask. Do you have March Up Music? Should we have
played some tune in your honor, Scott? You know what, I think sometimes you just have to let
art flow. And so whatever you have inside, you can let it out. You know, I used to have a band,
maybe I'll bring in one of those, one of our old CDs. Like a big hair band.
Did you rock? Did you play speed metal? Because otherwise, I'm never heard of you.
Yeah, we were raw sexuality cooked to perfection. So, oh, that's
a good name. Well, that maybe. Yeah. So how about
what one more little exercise? And then we can talk politics. What if you had to pick March Up Music
for Derek van Norton? Now, could could you help us out there? If we ever had the congressman
on this fine program, if his staff responded to emails or that kind of stuff, I'd say the best
thing would be I got a tear in my beer. I'm crying for you, dear. There you go. Well played, Scott
Ross. Well played. Well, I was, listen, we were, when I was growing, so my, my parents are both like,
they had me like right out of college, okay? So like, they were, they were younger. And when I was
growing up, our house was a Motown house, okay? But my old man worked in the steel mill. As you
might remember, steel was the first American industry that got outsourced overseas. And I swear
to God, once he got, once he got laid off, our home became a country home. So I have always sort
of had a prod, the love hate relationship with country music. And when Garth Brooks in the like
late 80s, early 90s popped up and was everywhere, I started having like flashbacks to the early 80s
when, you know, everybody in my neighborhood's parents were losing their jobs and stuff. So, you
so I'm sorry, couldn't come up with an even more insightful country song for, for Senator,
for Representative Chagalog, but, you know, I tried. I think it worked very well. When the factory
closed, that would have guessed Bruce Springsteen, that country music. There you go. You know, or
maybe Billy Joel, little Alan town, you know, you never know. Scott Ross, our friend, I don't
know if you saw this over the weekend, man, it kind of maybe a preview, perhaps of the RNC
here in Milwaukee, but the Nazis were marching in Madison. Right at that street. Right there,
Scott. Yeah, like most of them had masks on, but a couple of guys didn't, marching around with
their Nazi swastika flags, seems like perhaps they're among us. Scott, remember this,
this happened up in what, small town, up north. Water town. That ain't so far up north. That's
speaking here in Milwaukee. The bearable, the bearable high school one point took a picture of a
bunch of kids, you know, doing the hell Hitler salute thing, man. Prometime in front of the capital
here. And, and of course, and of course, the RNC coming to Milwaukee, I, for ice, I think it's
going to be contested. I think, you know, Donald Trump may be convicted by the time they actually
run this convention. So there could be some infighting within the mega party. Scott Ross,
your thoughts, please. Well, I was actually, I was in Pennsylvania this weekend visiting my brother,
and I saw the news, you know, online that, that, that, that there were Nazis here marching. And,
you know, I liked the way that Madison responded. A lot of elected officials stood up, said that,
you know, unequivocally, this is nonsense. This is garbage. These people have no place here.
What I was, of course, you know, soon to see, though, is that no Republicans came out, you know,
it's now four days since that happened. You don't have anybody coming out and saying what was
going on here was wrong. You got, you know, 132 legislators in the capital. They're not all
Democrats. And I think one of them has said something about it. I think that one of the one of the
Waukeshaw senators said that Nazis are bad. You know, when you get to the point where like,
you're so blinded by partisanship that you think saying Nazis are bad is somehow going to hurt you
with your base. I think that you have to really reevaluate what you're doing as a, as an elected
official as a member of a political party and as a human being for God's sakes. Do you think they'll
ever pick an opponent for Tammy Baldwin? Incredible opponent. I don't mean
Sheriff David Clark Jr. I mean, some real opponent. I mean, it's a total beer bus.
Does it not? Yeah, right. I mean, there's Hollywood huddy, you know, I don't know why you would
want to, you know, I guess maybe the thing is it'll, he'll wait till for a few months from now until
after it's, you know, the weather isn't so bad here, you know, and it's more like he's, you know,
over over in California, whatever. That one of freezes. Yeah. California in Asaf here. Exactly.
Exactly. And so, you know, that's the only one I've heard. I mean, they all, they all seem to be
too afraid, you know, Gallagher. They were talking about Gallagher and he quickly scurried away and
said, no, no, no, not me, you know, Brian styles too busy, you know, again, you know, playing cover
up for Derek Van Orton's attack on the kids in the Capitol. You know, there's a video of it and
and style is actually the guy in charge who could release the video and he refuses to.
Tiffany, he was fapping about, you know, for a while and then he's not. Certainly Fitzgerald is no show
and Glenn growthman, someone's locked him in his mom's basement. He can't get out. Okay, it's got
all the way back to the Jerry Mandered Bamps. Yes. Let's assume we get new maps. Do you assume
a democratic majority would come from those maps? I think that that would be, that'd be a,
that'd be a big hill to climb up. But what I do think would happen and I think what's very important
is that you would have more competitive districts so that the extremists who are currently now
in the Republican caucus, I mean, you think of some of these folks like they're not going to be able
to win these races if they just pander to the hardcore righties, you know, because the districts
would be more competitive and you have to like, you know, there is some place in the middle there
where you have to like get some of those voters right now, you don't have to. But I also, you know,
I think it's going to take some time because again, a lot of these places right now, the only
information they get is, you know, maybe a progressive opinion from your, from your radio stations
that are around the state. And that's about it because it's all Republicans. So the coverage
of politics there is all about Republicans and maybe what Tony Evers has to say. You know, so I
think that it's going to, you know, I hope that they're prepared. You know, I hope that people are
prepared. You know, we've had some great, we've had some good success in terms of getting some
really good candidates who have been stymied because of the lousy maps. Let's hope they go in for
it one more time, you know, if it first you don't succeed. Scott Ross, turkey or ham, neither
I like stuffing. I don't like ham. Prime rib, what do you, what do you eat them? I'll, I listen,
after so many years of being that finicky over those two things I have learned to eat the sides.
So I'm a stuffing guy.
Dom, resembles whatever the front of me, you know, I'm not making any of it. So I really don't have
a place to pick. Scott Ross, I hope you have a wonderful Thanksgiving. Thank you for joining us
here on the Devils Advocates. You as well, both into all your listeners. Happy Thanksgiving.
Thank you, sir. Come back a happier, happier hour. I suspect although you're hard to top, Scott,
Ross.
