Good morning. Welcome to Community Voice. I'm your host Keith Parris. I want to thank everybody for joining us this morning. Good morning, Clark. Hey, man, I'm with you, bruh. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
So whenever his arms is folded like that, it's either hate going on or I look at it like this. Whenever his arms is folded, Keith came to do two things. Two bubble gum and whooped tail and he's done two and bubble gum. So the only thing that's left
Let's see what it is. Yeah, Doc. So somebody in trouble. Well, you got the best poker face in the world. Remind me not to play nothing with you. Well, good morning. Welcome to Community Voice. And I'm thinking we're trying to get these phone lines straight. Is it? We got a... Hold on to me. I put both numbers up just in case. Yeah, tell them. I put both numbers up. We got a call?
Yeah. Call her. Welcome to the program. Company. Yes. Thank you for taking my call. Uh I listen to the radio with Michelle. Is this microphone asking us? Yeah. Are you on speaker? No one has not. Okay. Hold on. Hold on one second. Hold on one second. Let me turn down the
Okay, can you hear me now? Yes, ma'am. Okay. I called in on the sale going over an article that was written on our sale. You know something? You can kill intelligence. And they don't know who to pick on, but they picked the right one this time. I know that's right. Because number one, integrity means everything.
And when you respect who you are and what you do, if that's critical. So remember the things you were going on about what's real black and this and the other. Now, who ever wrote that article? This is the saying, you don't know me like that. But you gonna find me out. Because she's gonna get to the bottom of what this is. But can that story be retracted? Can they write it and say, okay,
We've met something up. Because when someone does something in your name, every time they look you up, that foolishness is going to be a part of it. Well, I think that I wasn't one. I wasn't right out. I wasn't I wasn't surprised or shocked that the article was done.
And I wasn't surprised of the, and I use this word, guardately, the substance of the article. I think though, and I did ask Michelle when I got here, will there be a response from the station? And the reason why I'm saying I think there should be a response from the station is that it implies.
that the station is in violation of some laws as it relates to equal time. And that's not the case. And so I think that, you know, on a factual basis, there's information there. See, it's like when an attorney will drop something in front of the juror,
and then the judge say disregard what you just heard. You cannot unsee what you saw. You cannot unhear what you heard. But I think that in this instance, people are really grasping for straws at this point. I find it amazing. This is just a political observation that Republicans are not running on issues. They're running on personalities. They're running on
the guy, I'm sorry. And it's so sad. Now I had a friend, and I have quite a few associates. And some are Republican, some are Democrats, some are white, some are black, Hispanic, you name it. And the ones that are Republican, die hard are saying they don't like the direction the country is going in. I don't press people to tell me who you're going vote for.
But when they asked me, do you really think David quality is doing these things? I said, now, see, if you were doing critical thinking, that thing that says, I'm going to accomplish, I'm this, I'm celebrating raising taxes with a cake online. And this is not AI. Come on. Yeah, it's politics. And I think that that's the part of it. If we're being naive.
if we believe that people are not in it to win it, and they not only will dance up to the line, they'll cross the line. The question then becomes, one, is there a counter messaging that's going on to rebuff that? Two, who are those ads directed at? They're directed at uninformed people. But you'd have to ask me, do you think David quality is really good for us? Do you think Donald Trump has been good for us?
Well, I think that and see again that that's that's people going back and forth in terms of where they are in their partisan positions. I think what what what's concerning, obviously to Michelle and concerning to me is that this was, you know, it was just lies. It was.
It was going in, I told Rhonda after I read it, I said, you can repeat a lie three times. It don't make it any less a lie. And so, you know, things that were going on. And then you contradict yourself in the very article when you said that this has been going on since the sponsorship. And we have different folks here. We had the Medical College of Wisconsin. We have community outreach. We have ascension. They're different people and who come in sponsored time.
than to get him to talk about what they do. And so this wasn't, and I can say this, because I have to. I'm forced to listen every day. Now I listen every day. And there was no doing that segment that the county did. Was there any politicking going on in terms of supporting David Crowley? And the fact that we've been doing it for almost six years, right? If I'm doing the math right. And this was before David Crowley even decided he was going to run for governor.
So, I mean, I think that when people do it, but it's just enough, people are going to have a knee jerk reaction. And I'm sorry. And you know something, you guys have always been good at. Action people that have come in, they want you to vote for them. But once you get in that position, come report to us about what's going on. Come let us know. When Lena was up there in Madison.
She came back and tell us the bills and things that's going on and what's happening. It's an open door. It's educating the community. I'll say this. This is the piece that I miss, especially going into this election cycle. I miss will not be in here. And the reason why I said whether you agree with what he it was still.
an opportunity for an opposing view to be heard over these airways. And so it's not a question because, you know, there are a lot of people that listen that don't agree with me or don't agree with Michelle. But you still, I think you should have the opportunity. It was implied and at any point, and it wasn't like the Tiffany campaign reached out. It's not like the Tiffany campaign is running any ads.
or any of those groups that support Tom Tiffany are running ads on WNOV because in their minds, they've just written off, you know, basically, we're not going to get votes there. That's that's like in certain markets, David Crowley trying to run ads where you can run ads, but those folks are pretty.
they're pretty stuck or grounded in what they believe, how they're going to vote. So I think, but I think what was real concerning was there was a, it was implied that we were in cahoots with, we, I'm saying the station was in cahoots with the Crowley campaign for governor. And that's not the case. And that's sad. You know, it's funny how they can pinpoint us, but look at their, but look at what's going on. Look at our president.
crawling up Putin's tail lifting the Whatever the restrictions that they had on them a bill he signed by the way And I'm like he started the war. I told y'all months ago Trump is going to get America and turn us over to Putin. Okay the way he's spending our money the way he's
He hasn't done anything for the infrastructure. He hasn't done anything to build our nothing. I don't see it. He's used, he's blurred the branches that were supposed to keep us in balance. He used our, the justice system as his personal attorney and they're too dumb to tell him.
That's not our job. And stand up like a man. So my thing is to anyone, my colleagues, like you said, another thing Black folks use. I don't have friends. I have colleagues and associates. Well, I have some friends. And I'm telling you, you can use your right hand and you won't use all your fingers when you say you have some close friends. I mean, that will be there for you anytime you call.
that's where but we need to oh and I went to vote and I'm telling you when I heard that land was snaking out you know the bill that's I don't want to be in all that I went to the library got a copy of who was in my district six and she said you know Clinton Rose right up the street is doing a because I was going to go to the Zeigler I went up there beautiful turnout
beautiful turnout over exactly. I don't know how much better it got out there at what's named, but I think people, this is gonna be a huge turnout. And I'm praying that it does. And that this is what I tell anybody. If you like the direction America is going, do what you need to do. But I'm not forcing anybody to do anything. I think that part of
The world doesn't I don't people don't see the world the way I do. I have to acknowledge that And I think that People are there's a certain level of buyer's remorse that's going on on the side of those people who might have supported Donald Trump in 2024 And I got that but I'm saying but there's still some other things there where still 35% of the people strongly support Donald Trump
I can't but because then embedded hatred and racism that they can't let go of They can't let it go because They can look at all of his choices he's second-stream picking people and I'm telling you whether people like it or not it is something about us that they envy they cannot
you know what I don't even think it's that personal and though I take it personally it ain't that it ain't that targeted what it is is that I can become a
I can become a boogeyman. I can become others. And that's why I think we need to be careful about how we have conversations about people that are different than us. Because the real appeal that they're making is why was his immigration policy so popular? Because you're able to vilify immigrants, right?
Because people are prejudice and people are racist and people are xenophobic and people are homophobic. And so you just appealed to people. I mean, you're going to hate me before you even give me an opportunity the way and I'll tell you the next thing I don't like all these traffic chasing people.
Because of license plate and all this foolishness in the lives that are being destroyed I thought they stopped some of this chasing people for that reason Yeah But anyway, I'm sorry. I'm jumping all over the map It's hard to sit down and talk about one thing when there's a myriad of things that are going on that's affecting people and Some of it is affecting their health don't take it that serious because at the end of the day God is in charge
And his hand is going to be raised. All we have to do is be patient. I don't know how involved God is in partisan. Oh, yeah, he's involved. And that's another thing, Keith. I'm going to tell you one thing that's about me. Before I trust anything that man's got to do, I noted, I noted, I noted there's a guy.
And he's been involved in my life and he's in the decisions that I made. Okay. Well that then I believe that there might be some God but in terms of God is not partisan Exactly right. Okay. He made all he made created this world. He put the diversity here and the secret ingredient is We need to learn how to work together and until that we are not going to be successful
Have a great day. And don't let people make you come down off of what you believe and what you think. Okay. You tend to waver. No, right out is right. I was asked me, she said, did he say? No, no, you know, he always say, God is she.
No, no, I don't say God or she. I say God is none of the above, right? So when people say he, then I counter with she because God is nothing above. The Bible is not like that. Yeah, I know the Bible is not like that, but the Bible, the Bible is not the only thing that indicates or even verify God.
Well, no, I'm saying that God is a spirit. So we don't want to go down that rabbit hole. All I'm saying is, I'm just reacting to right now. And people don't want to believe that that's on them. But he could beat anything he wants. Because you've got to remember, he created all these different diversity groups. So to a Chinese person, their God reflects them. Yeah, but the same Bible that now you're using.
It's the same Bible that did differentiate in people and that that's where we get the term Gentile, right? You know there was differentiation and these people were representing God so the the the piece of it is that everything we do we as human beings is a human enterprise Right, let me just look at another thing that I'm gonna get off here. Okay, okay There was slavery it's in the Bible
But you know something, a smart man is a servant. God came as a servant. That's why you lost the last one. What happened? Michelle coming in to get her computer. That's why she lost the last one. You need to keep up with your stuff. Leaving it everywhere. Remember your mama used to put that key around your neck? Right. She got a big laptop around her. Right. We need to put that around your neck. And let Michelle know.
Hey, she got a back in her and go do what she have to do and they picked a wrong black woman. That's right. That's right. Thank you. That's her problem. Somebody need to tell them people. And then they go, no, you don't know me like that. Oh, you don't know me like that. All right. I have a good day. I love you to do what you do. Things black people say.
You don't know me like that I had people calling me yesterday You know what and let me give credit for that because actually that was something that Michelle had said and That just kind of piggybacked on it in terms of yeah, man people were calling me. Well, what about They call it welcome to the program
Good morning. My saying is, everybody, these races got all these phobias. But where was your phobias with animals? Where was your phobias where you have a newborn baby being raped? But what's trick me out about these races, talk hoes, okay? Everybody all quiet. Don't nobody got nothing to say. Where's your Trump text at?
Why are you getting all heated about it? I'm trying to be kind because they said they made this all about migrants, but they didn't get mad.
at the white people who was high enough. Well, here's the crazy thing though, Al. But here's the crazy thing, Al. You had people who looked like those migrants who were supportive of Donald Trump and his immigration policy until they got close to their house. Then it was like, oh, you've gone too far. We need to avoid them other ones. Because them other ones is us.
Mr. Perry, well, see, they wasn't hiring black people anyway. I'm talking about them sugar honey iced tea skin knickers. That's the ones I'm talking about because they made this big fiasco. You have people talking about your force and agendas, but when you ask them about force and rape on little boys and little girls, they don't got nothing to say. But unfortunately, L, L, L, that ain't that ain't just white Republicans.
I understand that, but they're popping up in media. That's what I'm saying. I'm saying it's a media boat. The greatest center is exposure. Yes, sir. And so a lot of times, because there's some behavior, because I got to ask the question, what's going on at Rufus King? Oh, man, and I normally don't. But I think that's an undercover court, because they didn't have in plenty of plenty of issues. But here's the thing.
We have all this stuff within our people, and then they vote for hate, okay? And then the ones who vote for hate. Them monkeys ain't been nowhere near Mar-a-Lago. They're still living in 532, not 530. Their address is not 16 digits. They're living in low numbers, not 130th, not Calhoun Road, not Brookfield Road. They don't live in gated communities. They're over here with us.
Okay, well, I think that that but that's the piece of it that we miss, you know that Democracy is in perfect is imperfect Democracy gives you Barack Obama But democracy also gives you Donald Trump. So all I'm saying is that it has to be That one I don't give in to I can't become the thing I always appreciate Michelle saying this I can't become the thing I hate right
That was never us though. I'm talking about the ones who looking for a check. They want a check. They say he's a manly man. I don't know no grown man that talks about another man, but in another man, Jesus. Oh, I did. I did refer to the brother who was on New York undercover is the pretty Puerto Rican. So I don't know. But I'm talking about how.
They say he's such a manly man, but the man sat there and gravitated and blocked. If I have to brag about my manhood, that means I'm insecure in my manhood. And I'm going to end it like this.
All the people who keep talking about this, the lifestyle, some people ain't trying to touch on you. You probably need to broaden your shape like a pit bull that has 16 kids in town. What makes you think they want you? Have y'all got empty mattresses? The women you've got don't even want to touch you. And you only give them when you got your cookie cat meal. Appreciate you, man, as always.
All right, man, uh, okay. All right. You're listening to community voice. We're gonna take a quick break and we'll be back. Remember Jesus is Lord. Okay. We'll be right back. Welcome back. Call her. Welcome to the program. Good morning.
Good morning For award what's happening? I voted yesterday. Did you vote right? I want to make a point This should have a copy of the ballot Puppet may and shown everywhere because For the governor they had three choices. Mm-hmm One was a day big
and it was not crawly. It was crawly with second, and then there was this other guy. That's very, very misleading. I had to go twice before I boat it, because I saw David Trenish, and it was not crawly. They need to be made known, and that smells like something. Another observation I made until now, and even today, all these
candidate acts, most of all of them come on the TV and Tiffany never speaks. And Carl is speaking forever and they're articulate. Another thing too is most of their PhD are private, whatever, and they have very blurred, not authorized by any candidate.
And they have a lot of brainwashing stuff on there. I'm all let y'all go now. But I want to make that observation and y'all have a good one. Right. You do understand that advertising is based on brainwashing. No, they're not. But I'm talking about the ballot now. Well, the ballot is just based on those names on the ballot. And I think that they do.
a coin, I think it's by lot in terms of your position on the ballot. So, you know, now think about this. In Alaska, there are two Dan Sullivan's on the ballot. Now you talk about confusion. These guys, and one was trying to sue the other because they felt like he was a plant to go on to confuse people. So there's two Dan Sullivan's on the ballot in Alaska. I would like to know the name of this other baby.
I just never noticed his name was Matt Carly. I've never heard him before. So it was the wrong David. Well hey, if somebody can't read us, read slowly, they might have passed the wrong David. That's the thing, don't position. So y'all just be aware of that.
All right, I appreciate you, man. Thank you. Just for y'all ain't voted yet. There's two damn it. So keep reading. Keep reading. Yeah, keep reading. Because I tell you, we do this a lot of times in our Bible study. We stop at a scripture. So now you need to keep reading. There's some more there, right? And you'd have missed everything because you said, oh, and I'm going like, no, there's some more there.
I'm gonna do this and then I gotta get to my guests, man. Call them to the program. Good morning. Good morning, how are you? I'm just fine, how are you doing? I'm well. Oh, good. I was listening to Michelle this morning, and I wanted to say I didn't get a chance to say, but the strategy they do, like this Brandon guy, well, he's got a bunch of people.
But they always, they flood the zone with misinformation. So they do that real good. I mean, even with the commercial, you know, and you got to be in your mind. To me, I know it was right and wrong. And all that mess they put out there is fake. And so, you know, the other side is also saying that about people who might be opposed to them, right? Certain brainwashing going on. We talked about how, you know,
that black people reflectively vote democratic. So I mean, I think they're making some of the same observations that's being made about the other side. Exactly. And that's why we see our city look on the mess. So we can't be the enemy because everything that's taken from the walkie, they expand. And somebody called in about the games and stuff, which is OK. I like sports, but I don't like it because we contribute so much into this.
Capitalism system which contributes so much. They said money in our neighborhood one day So we contribute so much. Why are we the enemy? You know, we buy the paraphernalia. We advertise for free now. They wanted to scan our own groceries for nothing. We talked to those voices When you call just say you call the gas company you talk to recorders I mean all these jobs are being eliminated while we're 30 by the throwing out this missing information to keep them
From looking at what's forward that's going and then this guy named blue. Do you have either heard him ever blue? No, what about mr. Bloom? Read about him. Okay He's a main a main character in to tear it down the affirmative action diversity. Oh, yeah suit the sisters in Georgia because
There's actually so that's that's what I wanted to say. We got to open up, you know eyes and Saturday and I don't know who got to get out of this mess. That's all all right. Okay. All right. All right. You listen to the voice and I promise when we get back, we'll get to our guest again. I'm not going to get a phone line because people call. We're going to take a quick break. We'll be right back.
Welcome back, man. I'm really honored to be joined in studio by Pastor Jeremy Henry. Welcome. Welcome. Thank you. Welcome. You were with us when we did our resource fair. Yes. Down at the Rive on King. Yes, yes, yes. And part of that conversation down there. But you authored a book. Is your all on the altar? Yes. Love and Beyond the Thicket. A Journey to a Life of Serenity. Yes, sir.
Did you get any more people to do your foreword? Let's see Dr. Carter is just retired. He just retired. He was was he dean of he was the founding dean of the Martin Luther King International Chapel at Morehouse College. And then, of course, your pastor, the Reverend Dr. Valerie Daniels Carter. So tell us a little bit about you, man. Where are you from? Well, I am from a small city in Georgia.
Just off 75 South, born in Adel, Georgia, reared in Valdosta, Georgia, roots in Brooks County. Some areas you've probably never heard of, but good people. That's not near Boston, Georgia. No, Boston is considered.
A big city. I'm from the country. I'm from the local. I'm telling a story because there was a young man he passed and his folks were in for the funeral and we were about to repass and be talking. And I'm talking to some of his cousins. And so one of his cousins, she just talking. And I'm listening. And I said, where are you from? And she said, I'm from Boston.
I said, that ain't a Boston, Massachusetts. She goes, nah, Boston, Georgia. So I found out there is a Boston, Georgia, Georgia. There's all kinds of cities in Georgia that I've not even heard of some of them. Well, that's the famous for onions, right? No, that's Valdalia. Valdalia. Oh, OK. Valdast is known for football. Oh, yeah. Titletown, USA. Yeah. High school football. Yeah. It's very competitive. Two high schools. Are they near?
Are they near an Air Force Base? Air Force Base, Moody Air Force Base. That's the hub down that way. And that was the first time I'd ever heard of people actually moving to a community so their sons could play football. That's right. It's that serious. Yeah, it's that serious. And everybody talk about Texas football, Georgia football just as serious. Oh, it's serious. They raise them on cornbread.
I mean, the whole city shut down. Two schools, Lounds and Val Nostra, that day, they rambled against each other. Man, I just thought of when I, because I watched the SEC because if you play in the SEC, you usually play it on Sunday. That's just how deep the talent is. But you're seeing that now where, man.
Georgia just what they just collapsed last Saturday. What was that? Um, but anyway, so, okay, so then, um, um, where'd you, um, where'd you do your collegiate matriculation? Okay. So, um, I finished, um, at basics knowledge academy in Decatur, Georgia. And then I went to Morehouse college for my undergraduate studies. And, um, originally I was a business major and a major in it.
religion and philosophy, minor in music. Morris was one of the greatest decisions I could have made. What attracted you to Morehouse? Originally, as a child, I was always Dr. King. I always admired him just like listening to him and inspired by his life. And then other great leaders who attended Morehouse College. And my high school principal was a Morris graduate, but my
7th grade teacher, Ms. Diane Thomas, taught me about Morehouse as well. And so she helped influence my decision. I was in a pre-collegiate program by Ms. Breeden. Ms. Breeden helped me get in that program, and then I ended up going to school there. I just applied. An incredible alumni from that school.
when you think about certainly the influence of Dr. Benjamin Mays and then the people that followed, people, Edward Moses? Yes. Samuel L. Jackson. Spike Lee. Spike Lee. That's Spike, dude.
Spike got in trouble though, because Spike wanted to film school days. I think he wanted to use Morehouse as Spelman. But when he started talking about that colorism thing, they was like, because they ended up with Morris Brown. Morris Brown. They ended up with Morris Brown. But yeah, he absolutely right. Yeah, that is. I, as a preacher always, I will always look at convocation.
Some of the greatest preachers will come through convocation and see all the folks who preach at convocation So what happened then that you went in majoring in business and then decided to change your major well Much of that influence came from my friends and colleagues Of course Dean Carter, I consider one of my greatest mentors. I was a chapel assistant while I was there so
I was introduced to this real rigorous kind of theological space and I found that many of my friends were matriculating through the religion department.
And so I had this and also during those college years, you're discerning your call like what it is that you want to do in life. I thought I wanted to go through the business route, but I felt this upward pool, so to speak. And so it just was consistent. And that's it. Yeah, yeah, someone said that one. And so yeah, so I end up.
taking a few classes introduction to theology with Dr. Aaron Parker, a few other classes, conversations. I just felt it was the best decision to switch over to a religion major. And so it just seamlessly worked out that way. And I've been floating ever since. You know, kind of the opposite for me.
It's not about me. I'm interviewing you. But I went to American Baptist to study Bible and theology. And see, I wanted to make money. When I didn't think religion majors made any money. OK. I wanted to be in business. So if it was in 2000, they'd be like, oh, you're a whole boy. Creflo Dollar? Who was a school teacher? Creflo Dollar was a school teacher.
And that's why when you look at his preaching style, it is teaching. But that was his background. But no, I ended up going transferring from Bible and theology to major in political science. Oh, I see. A lot of people start off that then. Howard John Wesley was a pre-med major at Duke and had the calling. You know, it was one of the when people talk about the calling.
Right. I had a professor at American Baptist that's hard to describe. And as much as they hated me on campus, I remember one time my mother would call me, see him like every other day. She could wait for me to get out of the house for when I was gone. She called me over. So we had pay phones. And so one day I get here in the hallway, Paris! Paris! What?
You got a phone call because my mama didn't do said it's the Lord with your calling I Said God called me on a payphone So when people talk about a calling it's hard to Describe yeah, I mean some people you know it might be your burning bush Yeah, you know it could it could be if you visualize, you know your near-death experience is kind of it's always there so
when you talk about you said it was an upward what was that I mean was there things that you saw that the calling should address you know in terms of the things that we see in our society sure sure sure I think there for me it is an initial call but it is a call that keeps calling
When I was a young kid, you know, young child growing up, I've always cared deeply about people. So I engaged a lot in community service, whether going to the nursing homes and that kind of thing. I was doing this kind of work.
not necessarily knowing or considering myself a preacher or a minister. I actually ran from that for a long time, ran in the sense of not wanting to preach. I was a musician and that kind of thing. But I was always around the church or involved in church or involved in helping people. And then one of my professors when I was in seminary said this, and I think it kind of sums up the sign, his name was.
Professor Clio LaRue. One of the signs of the Holy Spirit is consistency. And so I can remember about 15 or 16 years old just wrestling with this preaching call that I was sensing and feeling. Not necessarily knowing what direction it would take me in, but I was just drawn to it, naturally drawn to studying. I had
I would visit the King Center and I purchased a lot of old cassette tapes by Dr. King, old preachers like Augustus Jones, William Augustus Jones, Gardner Taylor. I would just study and preach it, but not necessarily considering myself a preacher. But you said, and the scriptures speak of the five-fold ministry, right?
And for a lot of people, I rarely heard, and maybe people will say this, that I was called to preach. Preaching is only a part of what is done. So let's focus on that when you begin to talk about
It sounds like it was more than a call to preach. It sounds like it was a call to serve. Sure, sure. Absolutely. I certainly can identify with that because I began serving. I was 14 when I began to go to nursing homes, volunteering at nursing homes. Just because I had a desire to help people. In fact, the ladies who live next to me, I don't know her name today, her name we call her Granny.
I would go by and sit and talk with her as a young kid I had to be under 10 years old before we moved from that house So I don't know there's always been this this kind of working of the spirit over my life And even with that when I did come to the realization of accepting a quote-unquote call I still wrestle with it. I still wrestle with
my identity still wrestled with comparing myself and I hadn't seen this or seen that model. But where I came alive is actually giving back, doing things in the community, volunteering, helping people. Do you think that some of the resistance sometimes with people initially answering the call is not feeling worthy of the call? Well, certainly. I think that is a major part. Every time I really seriously examine the call, it's always greater than yourself.
And so that's the surrender piece that I kind of talk about. So talk about, religiously, how did you grow up? Sure. So I grew up in a classical Pentecostal hole in this tradition. Church of God and Christ has been our root and foundation. But because I was a musician, I was exposed to other traditions.
I started as a minister of music at 13 at a church that was non-denominational. They put you to work. They'll put you to work. I grew up as a, you know, around and around the church of my family and all singing and musicians and that kind of thing. So anyway, I grew up there within that tradition, but I got some of the best of all traditions. My grandfather was a Baptist deacon and my...
On my mother's side, on my father's side, there's a Pentecostal tradition. My grandfather was the chairman of the Deacons board for over 65 years. And so I kind of got the experience of both worlds. The Deacons lying in the hems on Sundays and, you know,
keeping the work of the church going, and then the charismatic Sunday night services that we were tearing and being filled with the Holy Ghost. So I kind of got both experiences in as much also with the music piece. I was exposed to hymns, AME, and Methodist kind of tradition. So I'm kind of a melting pot, so to speak, of those traditions. And I think that's one of the
the benefits of your generation.
less denominational walls than probably when I was coming along. I think our generation is kind of like the first ones because we sang in choirs, we would sing everywhere. Yeah, the AME church, then we got to run around here to the true holiness church. And then we'd go... Not the false holiness church. No, the true holiness church. Like, you know, Paul Morton had all his backers asking, well, we haven't been doing full gospel. So, I mean, it was like the truth. Right, right, it was all the...
And then coming along, you know, I came on 70s. There was also a charismatic movement going on in the Catholic Church, which means that you had like true gospel choirs that were Catholic churches. All Saints is still a great gospel choir Catholic Church. So it was that and being able to kind of understand trying to get to
And tell me if I'm wrong on this this this the universal guy Mm-hmm and the universal guy does not limit it to a denomination sometimes we draw Lines where we should be drawing circles and many times we are more like each other than we are divided It's just a language And you know you you mentioned William Augustus Jones and he talks about how
our anthropology and our culture informs our theology. I mean that theology, religion is culturally derived based on the experiences that people have. And then what it gets to. So all those things you've laid up. And then what happens though when, and I saw some of it as a Baptist though,
But what about that whole... I won't say hostility. The love of hostility people might have had about being an educated preacher. Well, you know, within the Church of God and Christ or holiness, Pentecostal tradition, it was said, don't get your learning, but don't lose your burning. And a lot of times back in years before they would...
tell preachers to seminary is the cemetery. Oh man, I don't heard that so many times. And so you have this tension even now. If you've gone to school, you know too much or you have too much education or you think you this and the other. If you don't go to school and nobody wants to hear you, you're ignorant of all this kind of stuff. So there's a balance. And I think one of the brilliance of Dr. King, I say, is that he at 26 received a PhD.
from Boston University, but he was able to come back to Atlanta, a Bible Belt place, well, Birmingham, but then later Atlanta, and kind of translate these $20 words.
The people who are on the ground but the demographics of Ebenezer Church Well, I've been either yeah, I've been educated Ebenezer, but I mean as even Dexter Avenue was a highly educated Absolutely, but as relates to the movement the on the ground people the grassroots people you would a lot of times hear him referring to these ideas But in a way that was translated Mm-hmm to where everybody could feel and understand what he's saying and I think if you have education or these kinds of
been in these kinds of spaces and don't know how to translate what you're saying. You're not really being helpful to our community. I'm reading a book that one of the great alums of Morehouse College has penned and he'll be in town Friday, Ralphie Award, the divided mind of the black church. And us trying to reconcile the burning.
along with the learning. And how do you translate that in such a way? Because he's making the argument that it's up to the so-called theological thinkers to have conversations with pastors who may or may not have that educational background.
And it also points to a certain classism that we struggle with as a people. So, yeah, I mean, to be able to translate that in such a way. Wow, man. We're joining studio by Pastor Jeremy Henry. He's the author is you're all on the altar. We're going to take a quick break. We'll be right back with your host, Keith Parris. Welcome back. And I'm joined in studio.
by pastor. Can I do Bishop Elect? Select? There's a Bishop Select. And I didn't shout them out. They're historic now. The historic Holy Redeemer Institutional Church of God in Christ. I'm a hater, right? I don't know what I saw. I saw some advertisement. Now I know
the Daniels family since I was a teenager but I'm a hater. So I'm sitting there and they put in that Holy Redeemer institutional church of God in Christ and then it had then um pastor said that Daniel was a bishop then the established material and that ain't no word. It's a word. It's a word. And I'm not surprised because a young man I grew up with
uh, one of the, um, founding members, um, uh, Reggie Roy. Yeah. We grew up together in metropolitan. So I knew that there was some intellectual heft that had gone into establishing that church and creating the mission. But yeah, you know, you hate it. They out there making up words. Uh, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
Fast, I want to know, when I was shedding my blood, is there any remission of sin in Jesus Christ, the only redemption saving power to make it into heaven? Was that a rhetorical question? No, no, no, no. What I'm saying is, who's going to say no to that question if they're clergy?
Well, well, no because because when you when you get into theology We might have accepted that there's more than one way to enter into the kingdom So I just wanted to know I just wanted to know is Jesus Christ the only redemption redeeming power To blame man back to God and you guys were talking about many a call before you are chosen. Yeah, many are calling on to repentance
Nobody said that Well, you didn't say we were talking about it. No, we was talking about his calling That's all I want to know if that's not a rhetorical question not a hard question
It's either yes or no. Is Jesus Christ the redeeming power? To bring man back to God and without him there's no lost. He just lost. It's only one way. All right, appreciate you. That's what I wanted to talk about. Yes, sir. Okay. That's good. Thank you. And I was explaining to Brother Henry that
This is a universal space, right? I do have my own particular dogma, but I understand that there are people in this space who have their own thoughts and their own theology, their own what their influences are. So I would think from a Christian perspective, of course, that's part of my dogma.
But we need to understand that some people listening doesn't necessarily subscribe to that. And so I just wanted to do that. You talk about, in your book, is it Pastor Floyd? Floyd E. Rose. Floyd E. Rose. Floyd E. Rose. Where were you when you were working with him?
I was in Valdosta. I met Reverend Floyd E. Rose as a young teenager, maybe about 16 or 17, but I've always heard him. If you ever heard him preach, if you go on YouTube and look at some of his old videos, he was the founder of the family Baptist church in Toledo, Ohio. He was probably, to me, the closest figure of Martin Luther King Jr. that I would have met.
If you listen to him speak, if he was a president of NAACP, he was very active in Toledo, shut down Coca-Cola. I mean, if there were any issues in the community, you went to Reverend Floyd Rose, and he was the person to speak for the black community in that time, and still is today. So when you, which gets us to one of the questions I had, when we think about the church,
And I'm gonna be very particular here the black church Is there a prophetic responsibility That the black church has when it comes around to issues around justice I believe so absolutely Jesus Was a was a radical if you look at the life of Jesus and what Jesus required of us to walk humbly do justice love mercy and walk humbly with God
There's a deep sense of responsibility that we all have as it relates to not just those who subscribe to a denomination or to a local congregation, but those who follow Jesus, that we have a responsibility not to turn our head on issues or we have to use our voice as prophets. When I say prophets, I mean those who speak prophetically to institutions and systems.
That plague people that we live in everyday life with That's that's a part of the call to follow Jesus. That's what made Jesus Such a controversial figure in his time because he disrupts systems and he was willing to speak for the voiceless and we have That responsibility and call those who claim to follow Jesus not just worship him
We'll follow him Caller welcome to the program Good morning. How are you all today? Good. How are you? I just would call me in to say that It is refreshing Every Sunday when I get out of church that I have my radio station tuned to WNOV and This young man is on the radio just giving some great information about
how to get your life right in the league of like Jesus said, you should. You're an excellent preacher, an excellent speaker, and it's refreshing. You know, when I get out of church, as I know, it's gonna be some church time at home. Thank you, brother. I appreciate that. Oh, I appreciate you, sir. So God bless you. You're doing a great job. Yes, sir. Thank you. I accept that. Have a good day, brother. God bless you all. I appreciate you, man. Thank you.
You know if I just an observation one of my frustrations is as a black preacher I think for some it really is about the form of preaching William Augustus Jones says that we need to understand the difference between our pre-sleeve responsibilities and our prophetic responsibilities and I think that
To the point that especially in the world that we're living in today That it seems that we're more about preaching Then that's certainly preaching truth to power or even empowering people to take on those systems most people most pastors are I'll say it like this you can be bossed by blacks or bought by whites and most people are bought and bossed
And because of that, they lose their prophetic edge. Whether they have to make rent, whether they have to say this or can't say this. But I'm a preacher. I'm not a politician. I'm not a political figure. I'm a preacher. And that's my call. And that call influences how I see politics, how I see how we engage in the world.
And when Dr. King first started out preaching, the people in Montgomery were singing on the back of the bus, just singing, riding the back of the bus. But when he finished preaching, they were on the front of the bus, on in the bus, taking over the city. Why? Because no real preacher leads people where they find them. Well, the irony.
of him at Dexter Avenue. They told him we don't want you to do that, right? Because the last one they had Vernon John was bald. No, Vernon John was bald. No, no, he was very radical. Yeah, very radical. Very radical. Okay, we're going in some different direction. And they thought Dr. King was, you know, had all the education. He wasn't going to be involved. And so they got a rude awakening. How, you know,
Is there a responsibility? Well, I'm sitting up and I'm thinking as I thought about what happened at Dexter Avenue and Dr. King and Vernon Johns who had preceded him. You think the people are comfortable with the status quo? Oh, absolutely. It's easy to be comfortable, worry about my four and no more. But you can't take your calls serious and turn your head.
to situations and circumstances and not use the influence that God has given you to help somebody else. If you're no better off, most people like coming to church on Sunday shout about feeling bad on Saturday and no better off on Monday. The preacher's job is to move people from where they are to where we ought to be. You write that down right now. We ain't no better off just shouting.
This is going to be used. So we've got to be able. How can this gospel, the good news, translate to people who need help? What is the good news to the poor? You ain't got to be poor no more. Right. Yeah. So we- Or justice. Or justice. Or justice. When Jesus' first message, he talked about justice. That's what I'm talking about. Talking about free in the country. So I don't know what Jesus is these people talking about.
Sometimes if Jesus was mentioned in church, you know, I mean I heard a guy say something when they were asking him and I think they were trying to Have this conversation around the Trinity, right? And that's a whole totally different piece But he said something he said, you know what and I know this is hard for some people because what we've been taught he said
I love Jesus too much just to worship Him. I love Him enough to follow Him. Absolutely. And there's a difference between our worshiping and following Him. And Jesus never told us to worship Him. He told us to follow Him. Well, it came from somewhere. And real worship is when you follow Jesus.
There's one thing to just lift your hands and say, I love you. It's another thing to say I've decided to follow Jesus. That's worship. Or to lift your hand as opposed to extend your hand. Extend your hand to somebody. Yeah. You writing this down right now. You ain't doing the religion stuff, man. We can break it for you. After you finish crying about Jesus.
Jesus is going to know what you're going to do with them tears. You got to get up and come back. Now, pastors, grandfather was a digger, right? I'm talking to you. Oh, yeah, yeah. So he know how to break, you know, because you remember how you... Oh, I can break it up? You remember how you used to get shamed? Oh, yeah. I used to get shamed. Give it to him. Give it to him back. Can I get 20 back? When I get my Sunday school away, he'll be like a 10. I said, can I get nine, 50 back? Oh, we know how to break some. Oh, man.
You know, you're talking about how preachers would make it money, but I've never read what I used to say. I want the quiet money. I want that quiet money. Yes, sir. I don't want no checks to God religion. They haven't stopped bouncing. You know, I and I preach it prophetic part of it. Again, we talked about the five fold ministry. I said the pastor doing the break one of the pastor. I'm used this term pastor that I admire.
was Bishop Daniels. I thought Bishop Daniels was a pastor to his people. You have some people who are preachers at a church. They're not necessarily pastors, but the care that he had for his parishioners, man. I mean, that was a model for me. Bishop Daniels is probably the greatest man I've ever met for so many reasons.
But let me just talk about this real quick. You talk about passers. Some pastors get out in the streets and they're they're protesting, they're marching or whatever. Bishop had that component. He shut down highway some years ago and some issues going on. And also a lot of things that went on politically in the city. He was spearhead for a lot of those issues. But not only that, he took it to another level in as much to say, let me build an oasis in the community to where.
If you need to go to school, if you need health services, if you need education, if you need a place for the older people to live, if you need worship on Sunday, if you need a place for your children to go. All of that, a museum, all of that can be compiled within the black church and there are no aces in the community where you can avail yourself to go. So Bishop was not just concerned about one issue. He was concerned about the whole life.
people and how can we better the life of people that we serve which is absolutely brilliant that model of ministry yeah I mean I think you you it is because we know how the sausage is made mm-hmm you know we know in real talk that there's some folks on some stuff mm-hmm but
Just to watch that and and and to do it not just on his on that micro level, but it really on a macro level, you know, I I saw personal instances Pastoral care, right? Not not the big that it was personal personal and I think that because that is also part of getting top up five full ministries that is so important that That's what you called for the people and you got to have
This love for people not so much people loving you. Mm-hmm. I mean see see people wouldn't know this story, but I've seen him When we would go to the grocery stores, he'd buy and bokes so for this for that for that's Bishop Why you buy all this stuff? Come to find out many of the things who had didn't have food didn't have meat whatever They will call him privately say Bishop. I don't have any food to feed my family this this and the other
Well, come on by the house. You add these grocery bags in the house and go fill up your grocery bag with everything that you need. Don't say nothing. No, thank you, Bishop. He did that over and over and over again. It is. That's so beautiful. You know, people are not going to see that. And that's where a lot of the real pastoring is done. You know, around the pool table.
That's right. Playing cards. That's how you get them. Because it is, I don't know how we're so dismissive of humanity. That's right. That's right. And if nothing else, you know, Jesus is really about humanity. It is this bishop tutus and butu how
our humanity is connected with and what I am because you are because you are in blue too I mean it is and and and especially for those of us who are in this diaspora when we think about
Just the importance, you know, the church was more than it was our original social service. Oh, yeah, everything the black life was centered around the black church. We got our politicians from the black church before we had superintendents and school systems. We had Sunday school teachers.
Before we have Aretha Franklin saying, in the world, she's saying on the stage in the black church, the black church produced our singers, our midwives, our doctors, our medical team, our black preacher, everything was centered around the black church. And if we lose that prophetic edge, I believe the black church is the only saving grace for black people today. I want to come back to that because that is one of the questions that I have. Not black and how you looked or some of them in the tradition of black church. Well, there is the black.
and churches that black people attend. There you go, there you go. We're joined in studio by Pastor Jeremy Henry. We're gonna take a quick break and we'll be right back. Welcome back, welcome back. And again, Israel on the altar, Pastor Jeremy Henry. We're gonna do rapid fire here, man. Okay. The reason for writing the book. The reason I wrote the book, Reverend Rose is getting old. He'll be 88.
November 1st. Okay. He had a lot of papers. He had a lot of work. He had a lot of documentation that was just kind of thrown everywhere lost in files. And originally I started out trying to collect that and also write to his story and kind of like how he started a church called Serenity and how his journey not only started with his preaching journey and going through the things he did. I write about in the book.
but also how he got to this journey of serenity and kind of play on that word. But then as I talked about him, I started writing the book like seven years ago. There were other mentors and people in my life that were part of my journey. And so it, it, it bridge from not just my reflection on him, but how I also live beyond thinking and learn some lessons from these pivotal people and mentors. And I encourage the people who are reading the book.
to have their own journey and how they can understand living beyond thickets, theological thickets, racial thickets, or whatever it is that's holding you back and really surrendering that to God and coming to a life of serenity, a life that's built beyond the walls and barriers to the freedom of the world. And again, as you kind of, we just kind of build on that. I noticed at the end of chapters, you would have some questions.
What should people take away from it? I think the biggest take away is to be thankful for the people God has placed in your life. The lessons that you learn. So many times people think that they arrive because of their own success or their own goodness and that's not true. And so I wanted to in the last 10 years or better lift up the people that you probably would have never known their names.
people who have gone on mothers, deacons, bishops, pastors, who sowed into my life and in a small way to say thank you to them. But also, I hope that people take away the how are they building a life and legacy for someone else, to be able to mentor someone else, to be able to guide someone else, to be able to speak life into someone else, and to encourage them to be their authentic selves.
I think that that's you know when We well, okay Let's good let me because I wanted to ask this question You had talked about how as part of our history The church was the center of our community our cultural life, right? That's not the case now Is there disconnect now?
Or is there a growing disconnect between the Black Church and the community? And if that is the case, what are some of the causal factors you think? I think it's case by case. I think as a people, we've become distracted. We've become distracted by comparing ourselves or losing our mission.
We really have to, in a real way, ask ourselves, the Black Church has to ask itself, is the Black Church in the business of saving itself or losing itself for the sake of other people? And there's a lot of spirit in our churches. But the question is, what kind of spirit is in our churches? Is it about entertaining? Or is it this deep connection and commitment
to the cross. James Cohn, he was one of my professors when I was in seminary. He taught at Union Theological Seminary, and I took classes there. He wrote a book called The Cross in the Lynching Tree, and he said that the cross was really a modern day lynching tree. Inasmuch that Jesus, to the world, him dying on the cross was a failure.
to the world. But a failure to the world is always success. It's the success through failure that ultimately leads us to a godly success. So the Black Church has asked itself, what kind of success are we trying to build? Are we trying to build our names? Are we trying to build our churches to look the best, to have the best music ministry? Or what is the mission?
What is really the success, is this success through suffering, through a commitment to what the mission of the church is. I think that the black church needs to go back to really action itself. Why would we call? Why would we create it? What was the reason for establishing a black church? And kind of find ourselves back to that mission, that call, and that commitment to its people and also to...
the call of Christ and Jesus Christ to help in the community. When we talk about, you had mentioned that you're not a politician, though Aristotle says that every act man does is political. How involved should the black church be when it comes to electoral
politics. Oh, man, it should be the for now in this season right now, especially within the state of Wisconsin, there shouldn't be a Sunday or gathering that is not mentioned, because we have a civic duty. And, and we're talking about the black church, historically, our politicians, our political
Procedures and policies and people who we looked up in the community all will come back to The black church for community involvement for community engagement. So we we have a huge call I believe to be committed not only to worship But what does that worship look like played out through the week? What does that worship look like played out through your parishioners who are who are dealing with injustice or dealing with?
uh systematic systems that keep us um divided or oppressed um that are in place that we can if you don't vote if you don't use your vote or your voice uh there's not much you can say about what's going on in the climate of what's going on that's our responsibility. I heard of a very prominent uh pastor say that he wasn't political and uh
I wanted to say to him, you're probably not partisan. There's a difference, right? You are political because if you have to get a loading zone in front of your church, that's politics. At some point, you'd have to go to some elected official, go through. But I think that for a long time, that they were really part of the black church felt like politics was the world. Oh, yeah.
But we're impacted by what goes on in the world, right? Yeah And so I think that at least we're beginning to see to raise the level You know parishioners are impacted by by policies right I always say that when the Hebrew people were in Egypt That was a governmental policy that said kill all the males, right that that that
That's what that government policy looked like at that time. So I don't know if we can stick our heads in the sand and act as if we're not affected by what goes on outside those church walls. Just pray about it. Okay. That's what they tell us. Right. But you've got to put some shoes on your prayer knees. Yeah. Faith without works is dead.
We can believe that things will change, but if we don't go out and put our voice in our vote and our and lift our hand to those who are suffering and make a change It's up to us. It's our job. It's in the black church. The black preacher Has a responsibility to move people from where they are to where we ought to be
I always talk about the sanitation workers movement in Memphis. If you ever visit Memphis, you can kind of go. And a lot of leadership came out of the Baptist Churches, but the last speech Dr. King gave was at Mason Temple.
And it showed because there were people there who were these called race, race men. And I'm trying to think who would have been the Bishop then, when that then... When that was in 1968, so the church of God in Christ was in a dark age.
and technically senior Bishop was O.T. Jones, but it was ran by E.B. McEwen and these other executive members. The person that opened the door was Bishop Willie Lee Porter, who was Bishop Porter's, Brandon Porter's, on the general board. His dad opened the door. And is that related to the musician? Yes, that's his uncle. I didn't know Kurt Weyland was from Memphis. And actually Bishop G.E. Patterson was a part of the strategy team
that got Martin King to Memphis for the sanitation workers. I talked about Mother Patterson in the book. Mother Patterson and I had a very close relationship. We talk after 10 o'clock. Okay. And so we say, I got all the information that I'm telling you from Mother Patterson. And Bishop Patterson was very much so involved in the civil rights movement. But because of people's own ambitions and all that kind of stuff, he decided to kind of not go that night.
for his personal reasons, but I'm saying that to say that if we look at the modern day civil rights movement 1968
December 1968, Rosa Park sits on the back of the bus in Montgomery, Alabama. She says, I'm thinking about that boy, it, Mattel, who was killed in September. I mean, in August 28th, 1968, it, Mattel was from Chicago, member Robert's Temple, Church of God in Christ. His mother, Mamie Mill, Mamie, Mamie Mobley was a Church of God in Christ mother in Grove, Illinois. She Bishop Roberts, Bishop Ford.
did the funeral for for in material that sparked the modern day civil rights movement then it ends quote unquote with the last speech I've been to the mountaintop Bishop Mason's body is in the foyer of mason temple while dr king is preaching I may not get there with you but tonight in the black church we as a people
his last speech. Now, the speech that made him most controversial was the speech at Riverside Church, April the 4th, the year before, just before he died. Everything that was done the year after that was marked. He was going to Memphis. He wasn't going to leave Memphis because they had already constrained and came together to say, we're going to kill him. He's not going to get out of Memphis. His hotel room was changed. All of these things were done to make sure even the sanitation workers strike and those people being involved in that.
that was intentional to get him to Memphis, Tennessee, all because of his political stance at the war of Vietnam. That changed him from civil rights movement to more of a global issue. You have a whole chapter about being willing to sacrifice. Oh, yeah. You talk about a sacrifice. Yeah. I mean, and that, you know, is Jesus in Gethsemane. Oh, yeah. You know, every preacher, every person that's you got to sacrifice. That was the whole thing that
Game recognized game. Mm-hmm. And what I mean by that is If you could preach It doesn't matter what your denomination right and I get a great example of that is some of the greatest preacher anywhere regardless of the nomination preached at Holy Redeemer Because I watched the tape
Reginald Sharp when he came up and preached and he had those cause good preaching is just that. It's just good. I was in Reg's wedding. We went to Morehouse together. Okay. I think Reg is probably the greatest preacher in this generation. You think? I believe so from what I understand. Okay. But not just what makes him great as relates to preaching. He's just a great person. We went to Morehouse together. I've been knowing him since we were kids. See now Reggie would play the, would preach and
and I'll play the organ. We were going in the summers and all like that around different places. I'm saying that to say that all of us, regardless of our denominations, every generation is called to do something. Every preacher is called to do something. Every person that follows Jesus Christ
it's called to do something. We all have our thickets and we have to be able to surrender them. Is your all at the altar? And what does that altar look like? And that's really what I want people to reflect on and try to move toward. Yeah, that's a great way to end it. I watched that tape and my guy- He preached, don't let the church kill you. Yeah, yeah. And you know Bishop Daniel's sister died that day, Miss Haddock. Okay, okay. And Bishop...
They were trying to get him not to go to church. Okay. He said I'm going to church. It took his keys. He had gotten there late. He was upset. He wouldn't let me get here. I'm gonna get the church. He got there, right? And man, Reggie, he said, I don't know why I'm led to preach this sermon. What we call that church killing. Is that a right time word? Oh, it was amazing.
Yeah, it was amazing. Yeah, man, when I and I just you know, I just think that again and the kind of though I wish we'd be it's still something about that that art that gift the charisma to be able to Hear great preaching and I always appreciated that and I understand his grandfather was a him
Mr. Dan was a bad oh, yeah GT towns or down in Eureka. Yeah, so to be able to have that and to have folks but to There's nothing like it, but I remember I was watching that and I knew because he was so proud Yeah, he had my guy standing and Roberts Robbins, you know, bitch. Oh, this is Robbins. Yes. Yes, sir. I was going like, okay. Okay. No, anything you want to leave with us, man. Well
And this is a great book, y'all. I mean, tell people how to get it because I'm so glad Debo put it in my hand. And it's on Amazon. OK. And we're going to do a book signing in a few weeks. I had to order some more because the orders came in from Brazil, the guy that's doing the printing. OK. A great publishing company, Upbooks. He published a lot of Kojic scholar books. OK.
And so I'll sign them and they have this beautiful. The ones that, you know, we order have this beautiful print, but you can get them all outlets and Amazon and all that kind of stuff online. And I'll be doing some book signings. But yeah, and Dean Carter wrote the for Dr. Carter did the introduction. And I just hope that you're blessed with some of the experiences that I've had.
I write a chapter about Mother Patterson, Mother Garland. I write a chapter about Dr. Abington, one of my music mentors. He died last year. I write a chapter about Bishop Daniels. I write a chapter about Dr. Carter. Yeah. And so, and I give thanks to a lot of mentors along the way. And so, yeah, and then you have your own reflection piece in there. So, yeah.
Please, please, please take the time and all the proceeds that we raise are going to the work that we're doing in Kenya to build schools and to help the widows and orphans. So it's all going toward the ministry to help us with the work that we're doing. Dr. Carter had been doing work in Kenya for 35 years. And recently I've just been doing. Got a text. Is there audio book?
There is an audio book on Amazon. Okay. There's an audio book on Amazon. Okay, appreciate you and some of my friends have told me they've been able to read this in one night I tried to make it a easy read to just flow through when I came back and I Was bringing the book back to Devo. Mm-hmm. He said you read it already
Man, it's this is this is a great read. It's easy to read. So man, appreciate it. Yes. Always good to have a conversation with you, man. Always and thank you so much. Oh, thank you. Thank you for even accepting the invitation. No. Who you with? Hey, man. I'm with the people, bro. Apostle. Bishop, chairman of the board. Apostle. God bless you. You know, I'm gonna have to invite
Again, Pastor Jeremy Henry again the author of the book is you're all on the altar
Let me thank everybody for being part of the program today. The good Lord willing Creek don't rise hope to talk to everybody tomorrow. And as always, go from this place and peace.