Unpacking Religion, Race, and Community: A Heated Debate

Good morning. Good morning. Welcome to Community Voice. I'm your host, your parent. Thank you everybody for joining us this morning. I'm always amazed when people want me to invoke my ecclesiastical powers. Hey, you know how they say the word two or three is gathered? Yeah. Remind me not to invite kids.

I'm amazed people come to me and I'm going like, I'm a Baptist. Now you want me to pray? All that heartbreak I've been doing the other time. There's a very special place in hell for Baptists, but now you want me to pray. Man, I figured since y'all on Sundays, man.

You know y'all get into that prayer and Father God and it ain't just us No Jones was was preaching on prayer and he said, you know, I read the model prayer He said it took me 38 seconds to read that prayer. He said was taking us so long Yeah, because The majority of the time and that is true the majority of the time and people's religious

You know, so and all of these rhymes and well, and I understand this corporate people hear it There's a guy though. I used to love to hear pray The late Deacon Thomas Robinson there at Metropolitan. I'd love to hear that man pray. Oh my god He man he it was it was on point if you talk how to pray publicly. Yeah

this guy was the model. I just and then there was others. So, who was that guy that did the prayer? I think it was that it was he the Jasper Williams. Was it a read the Lord Whitney's film? Oh, and then when he said that if I came Charles Adams, the Harbour Booper out of Detroit, that cat. Yeah, I'm sitting there watching the he do it every place he go where he does all the different ways of saying thank you. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And then he finally does death. Yeah. Yeah. Doc, listen.

I've never heard it until I saw that that's up there with that's up there with wonnie wonnie wonnie I'm speaking of wonnie wonnie wonnie Rudy Rudy Rudy get a Rudy get some tax problems down Willy Willy Willy wife man, it's like three million dollars. They got a big tax, but you know these guys go all country preaching and

And so the accounting no Jones talked about the tax problems he ran into, you know, cause how you, how you reporting it and, and then it gets out and all they have to do is do an audit. And then, you know, so there's always been the problem with people in honorariums. A lot of times people have a, it would be like a corporation or ministry and you pay into that, right? As opposed to paying me directly.

Well, isn't there a loophole to with that because you can you can say that it's a that it's a love offering that is honorarium. And gifts can be taxed. Yeah. And so people go out and because there's people, man, they they make their living, you know, on honorariums and traveling and speaking. And, you know, you say, hey, man, I'd love to have Keith Keith is like five grand.

uh, two first class tickets, one for me, one for my assistant. If I have to stay over, I want to stay. And, um, it was just talking about a very prominent guy in Texas. They want to bring Milwaukee. I'm not going to call his name, but just the overhead of bringing this person in, you know, so it's, it's a cost when you, when you're looking at some of these folks. And like I said, this is how, this is how they, they're living in, you know, you have a lifestyle, um,

that's based on that. But there's going to be some some taxes with entertainers. Same thing, you know, where, you know, you think you have somebody there who's paying you taxes and they're not. And then you go like, bam, because didn't Ron Isley do some time? Yeah, he did. Wesley Snipes. Yeah. So I think it's, you know, and I don't know part of it is, you know, like people tell you, like back in the day,

What in the drug game they said a lot of times it wasn't the money. It was just the game You know man, yeah, you know all those all those things that Yeah, so Yeah, anyway, so yeah, y'all phone lines up look I do have the VIP package including transportation to the Milton house Now I was gonna be able to go are you can go? No, I got

party that day. So, when is it Saturday? Next week's Saturday. Oh. Yeah, I'll kind of. You get paid, right? So, you get paid for the party, right? Yeah. Oh, well. Talk like you're playing with me. Of course. I'd rather make money than spend money, man. If I wouldn't get paid, I wouldn't be going. I'd be going to the middle of the house. Oh, okay. Well, hey, man, somebody got a little

well it sounds like a lot of people want to go yeah um yeah i think that um i know i certainly want to go now i i most definitely want to go but i think i want to try man because at at any point in time then when i'm ready to leave

You know, I can jump out in league because Ryan on the bus man. I'm going on the bus, but if you leave early, I might write this straight up. Like I'm most definitely thinking about going. But I'm like, please go back with you. Come on, Dr. Wigan on the kind of thing. It's about an hour and a half hour, 45 minutes. For the show. No, to get to get to Janeville. It's in Janeville. About an hour. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I've been you know, we've been there. We've actually did the tour. Okay. So, it really is. It's fascinating. I'll give you a change. Yeah. I was in 20 minutes. My wife, my wife can wait till the last man's and I don't want to go and go underground. I say, you know what? Stay. Well, then I said, I can't even go myself. So, what's up?

Don't you love when people talk trash? Robinson, she was she was she was really tickled yesterday when I was telling the story about her taking the truck.

She was saying to herself, I pay for half this truck. You're going to take two wheels and I'm going to take two wheels. You get one head light. I get the other one. Welcome to the program. You're bored. Hi, am I a winner? No.

I'm sure you are. You are a winner in life. He said no. You are a loser. You look great today. I love your show. Am I a winner? You're a winner, dad. History is so important.

I'm looking to collaborate on the bus. Get on the bus. Well, you know what? Matter of fact, if you come, I'm going to come get on the bus and we're going to see the wheels on the bus go round and round. No, we have to see Wade in the water. Wade in the water, huh? I don't know what's going on. Hey man, I'm jumping off the bus. We started seeing the wheels. All right. Okay. Well, let's see if you're a winner.

Alright, here's the question and this is a it's multiple choice Milton house is in what Wisconsin County Rock County Walworth County or Dane County

I'm going to say Rock County. Come on with my sound effects, Rock County. I'm a winner. Where's my sound effects, Jermaine? No! What is this torture?

Rock County. Milton House is in Rock County. Did you did you look that up? Did you Google that? No, we the Rocks. Rock County. Why? How do you know it's in Rock County? What? What? Hey, what's a college, Keith? There you go again. I can afford Panera Bread. I'll eat the college. Wait, let me stop. I want to win. I'm sorry, Keith. He can afford Panera Bread.

You got it right. You don't want to be driving alone to Rock County.

Yeah, you know that is correct because if I get pulled over I'm going to jail. So actually the bus is going to follow the underground railroad trail. So there is a chance.

There's a there's a very good chance that we get pulled over. I heard the brother talk about the fugitive slaying act. Bring your papers. Bring your papers. You're absolutely correct. It's near Jamesville, um, Rock County. I know she goofed it, but okay. Oh my goodness.

Oh, she with the cowards. Oh, she with the cowards. I'm looking forward to seeing a Kofi fans company. All right. Now, hey, let me say this, folks, and I know this is not going to be the case with you. You know, we have people who want, especially when we do some of these giveaways, and people want the tickets and then don't even show up for the event. Oh, my gosh. Yeah. So, I mean, if you if please, please, please, please, if you're going to accept the prize,

you know, be available for the prize. And don't sell a prize on the black market when you win it. Oh my gosh. That's not like something I do. Did you see that thought cloud above it? You know what? I just might do it. Oh my god. What a great idea. All right, hold on. Right, I was going to get your information. Thank you.

I'm coming to you right now. Thank you.

You're the greatest in the world, Keith. The greatest in the world. Zebra says, does that song apply on a short bus? You know, we got to stop. That is so cold when people talk about short buses. I know. And that stigma goes back to the 60s and 70s where...

especially these kids were on the smaller bus right because it wasn't that many of them and those buses were you know equipped to deal right you know they're handicapped accessible the whole thing but it's also been a like a shorthand for people who might have certain challenges right right did you ride the short bus to school with the helmet on I had the long bus

Now, I do recall. Not with the fences. I do recall, like, if you missed a bus, you can sometimes, you know, call and have them to, you know, send another bus. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. They used to be like that. They used to be like that. And then they'll send another bus. I remember one time I missed a bus. Not for regular students. Yeah. Yeah. For regular students. So, you know, going, you know, way out the green feeling like Wauwatosa.

You know, that whole transportation. So I remember one time, man, I had missed a bus. And, you know, my mama called and they sent another bus. And when I pulled up at the school, all of my friends, you know, they was in the front lobby, but, you know, we pulled up on the little bus. Boy, that was the longest day I've ever had in my life. Some of my friends had like the football helmet.

Oh, wait a minute. They put the football here when all they was walking around the school was dumbass. Let me take it. They bogus dumbass. They bogus dumbass. They bogus dumbass. They bogus dumbass. They bogus dumbass. They bogus dumbass. They bogus dumbass. They bogus dumbass.

I remember the time with a bunch of us in a different motorcycle club. So we went to Green Bay. So we were on a whole truck for a dance. So we all on the bus. They put their motorcycle here with us. We on the bus like, yeah! People are looking at us. What's wrong with them people?

Five six big guy get off the bus with motorcycle here was on the head man. Just so yeah Speaking of motorcycles That that bar down with on Center Street between twisters. Is that twisters? Yeah It's a It's gone. Yep history is going down there. So what is it now?

It's supposed to be a seafood, Cajun seafood joint. Oh, okay. Okay. Yeah. Yeah, because it's gone. I'm part of Twister, so it's gone. Oh, so you're a motorcycle rider? Yeah. Okay. All right. It's gone. It's history gone. The oldest black motorcycle club nation's clubhouse is gone. But we still exist, though. All right.

Hey, y'all phone lines open 41444452504144445250 C no matter what the Cubs do Dodgers lost last night So what that means for us? We are one step closer to clenching So it's already clenched at the end So is it working our home field advantage?

No, that was a great game last night, man. They came back, man. That was a great game. Brewers, man, I'm really glad, man, it seemed like they're picking up steam now because normally in the past, normally in the past, it seems like once you get this fine September that the Brewers will start, you know, going the other way. But it seems like when I say, you know, doing pretty good.

Don't wish that evil on us, Ricky Bobby. Man, y'all, boy, I don't hear that with the bucks. I don't hear that with the bucks. And they do fade. You know the Brewers, they're going to get all, every year the Brewers have gotten better. Now, every year they've gotten better. That is true. And that's why I said it seems like this year,

that we own a totally different trajectory than we were last year. You took the seat belt off. You were a jump off the bandwagon. I probably welcome to the program. You took the seat belt off. Come on, man. Call the work to the program. Good morning. Good morning. He's what you said earlier. People winning and don't pick up your tickets, guilty. But when I did go get the tickets, it was like $3.30 and maybe it was a Friday or something they said I called the office.

Yeah. And it's folks. So I think they close early, you know, the front door. We close at three. At three? Yeah. Okay. Okay. So in other words, this is what I'm going to do for now. Make sure I get down there. Before three. Before noon, one or two. Yeah. Whatever. Before three. Yeah. Let's get a long listener. It's easy to win. Yeah, because if you come at 330, you're going to be by yourself.

All right, even though he's ironic, you know, we have this conversation, you know, around the underground railroad. Because how many league roles is the underground railroad? Because, hey, man, she coming through in 330. No, dawg, I think, I think you might want to be out there early. Yeah, I'm going home on the morning train. And then what's that reframe evening train be too late? Even train on me too late. OK, but you're right, man. We get it and I understand it. I think a lot of times people.

And then things happen in their lives, you know, things come up. But yeah, we and I think that they will tell you when you win the tickets, how you pick them up or how you get them. Sometimes we have, I know what Milwaukee film we do. That's all done electronically. So you need an email address to be able to get the passes. So yeah, so we, you know, we just hope people take because I know there was a lot of people who won tickets for the Harvard Jazz Fest and didn't show up.

Yeah, and those tickets could have went to somebody else. Some meaty kid. Alright, man. Appreciate you. Some meaty kid.

Only you can prevent. Like you're talking about we don't waste food because people are starving in China. Dude, I used to hate that. I'm going, well, they don't have to eat what we eat. Yeah, they're not eating pork and beans. I'm milling it. I'm milling it. I'm milling it. I'm milling it. I'm milling it. I'm milling it. I'm milling it. I'm milling it. I'm milling it. I'm milling it. I'm milling it. I'm milling it. I'm milling it. I'm milling it. I'm milling it. I'm milling it. I'm milling it. I'm milling it. I'm milling it. I'm milling it. I'm milling it. I'm milling it. I'm milling it. I'm milling it. I'm milling it. I'm milling it. I'm milling it. I'm milling it.

I'm tired of these beans. White beans with poke in it. Black eye beans with poke in it. Great northern beans with poke in it. Great northern beans with poke in it. I'm tired of beans. Navy beans with poke in it. Hey, I just had a flashback. No, street beans with poke in it. No more. You can only say that it put poke in peace. Yup.

First of all, those green peas are nasty already. Maybe they put some poke in it. They would have been. You know what? Why do a lot of people don't like peas, man? I hate green peas. Man, it's something about the ones you once you bite into, like they smush in your mouth and so you don't eat it with the mixed vegetables. No, I take them out. He like my wife.

Like the tuna casserole and they'll put peas in it. No. No. I don't like oh yeah I seen that. No. And you know what they used to do at NPS? They would do the hamburger and peas. I never understood that. With the burger? Yeah. I would never, I never understood that. Sure did. I never understood that. Because they have a clean vegetable.

So, they wanted to give you a green vegetable. Well, you might get green beans, but it wasn't a lot. I think by time, maybe the 80s, 90s, they started putting starch on there where you got like, I don't know if they did french fries. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, man. But I can remember having like that and peas and I'm going like, okay, I'm gonna eat the burger. I remember messing with the peas. I remember at school, we had, you know, like we had like the line that you can get, you know, we had catered food.

And then like we had, you know, like the stands with the doughnuts and all that other stuff. What school was that? Greenfield. Or you can be in there in my school. Or you can leave at lunchtime and you can go get food from like around the school, but you got to be back. Don't want to sign it for your class. And we can do that at Vincent. Man, listen. We close lunch hour, too. Man, Doc, I used to love that because, you know, they actually trusted us to leave for the school hour.

Like, we can go to Wendy's, we can go wherever we wanted to, just as long as we was back to when that bill run, and we was, you know, for class. But I remember the cheeseburgers that they used to have on the Alicard Stands. Dot, I just had a flashback. That cheeseburger wrapped in that aluminum foil with the fries on the Friday. Ooh, I think I want to go to Greenfield again.

You need to type in and stop talking in It was all about my chicken legs over at Keith Avenue

You know there was there was some some pork in the peas too you remember split pea soup they always put bits of uh yeah yeah yeah sometimes if sometimes if you put the ham

that juicy ham stuff in it. It kind of took away that kind of bland taste of the peas because the ham juice would would amp it up a little bit. Yeah, he rather. Yeah, I know. George Wells was famous for their green pea soup. Green pea soup? Yeah. That's what they call it. Yeah, that was famous. Yeah. He's right. It was pork. Yeah. Yeah. So, you know, we had they made pork, they sit in all kind of stuff.

you know, depending on what was in the refrigerator, you know, your mama could make make something out of anything and you had to eat it. They call that back in the day they put it all together. They take some of this and some of that. Isn't that what gumbo is? Vegetable soup. Yeah, vegetable soup. That's what it was. I hated vegetable soup.

with cornbread, with the vegetable soup, with cornbread. Oh, I hated vegetables. Y'all had cornbread with your soup. And you crumble the cornbread up in the soup, just like they used to crumble up that cornbread in that buttermilk. Yes, you just brought back memories, man. Your ax tail soup. I hated vegetable soup.

Yeah, well, yo, you eat it with the peas and that one there. That was no. No. No. And let me say this, my mama and my grandma was wrong. Thank you, Brenda. And thank you, Julia. Gulas. Gulas. That's what we call Gulas. No, because that whole eating liver, like, you know. Oh, now my mother would wrap bacon around. It didn't matter. They said we shouldn't be eating organs. Oh, so I don't know.

When we was hungry, the organ was good. I ain't never been that hungry. I ain't never been that hungry for liver and green peas. I ain't never been that hungry. All I can tell you, all I can tell you that the year that we lived without no electricity and it had no water for a month, boy, you could eat anything that made your stomach fly. I ain't so much grits. I never needed grits.

was from corn. I just knew it was quits. You know, I ate them with butter, with cheese, whatever you could put in them. It just feels up, but anything. But hey, man, but hey, I had that one year in my life and it changed my eating habits for sure. Being poor happens to your health.

Thank you for making us feel guilty. That part. We had a year so poor, everybody going like, well, we were never that poor. It was only a year, brother, but it was a great time. Two days without electricity is a long time. I can only imagine a year. Not yet. Nine months. Southern off in the spring and never came back on.

My mother was so pissed that we energies that when the guy went to turn to pull a thing off the off the wall outside, she threw some water out the window on him. I said, Mom, you gonna kill that man. He was on the line. He put his hand on that on that on that.

She intended to kill him. It just didn't happen. She intended to... Hey, Tyrone. And Sal's from everything you, all the years your mother was a blessed soul. But she kind of embodied what my mama used to say. Some folks can do wrong, right? She's trying to electrocute him and she...

My mother when she went off man one time they came to get some furniture My mother took a knife out to the trailer of the furniture company and stopped stabbing all their wheels She said you ain't go it ain't gonna be in my house and you ain't taking it back Okay, but wait technically she didn't own the

A lack of payment. She gets bad at them. She gets bad at them. Like, okay.

Talking about like one of the greatest ripoffs ever Yeah Just so you wanted that new TV. Yeah, that big TV with $3,000

100 was not like a thousand dollars. Yeah, but they tried to three thousand. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You know, but you know, your mom, mom would do stuff. My mother one time, my brother said, your mother said, come home and I blew it off. I said, I ain't coming home. I tell her I'll be there. You know, my little smooth stuff. Is that what you said? When I got home, though, she had all my clothes and three

Cocoa bags sitting out on the sidewalk So if you grown you can take your S Out of here and figure it out. Yeah, I had to cry my way back into the house I ain't got nowhere to go and that's all I got You had some challenges as a kid, huh? Because there was no way I'm sitting a message back by my brother

Saying I'm gonna get there when I get there because by time he got back and told her it ain't the way I even then I mean what was I thinking about? In the next time I did it my mother was I thought we was all on the corner. It was cracking jokes and everything

And all of a sudden somebody said, hey Tyra, ain't that your mama coming up the street? I thought it was walking down Walnut Street in the middle of the street with a belt in our hand. And she was coming for me. I said, oh no, you ain't getting me today. Not in front of them. Who's the brother he played in? The comedian he played an undercover brother, the comedian. Oh, from Omaha.

And he talked about his mama trying to run him over with her Cadillac. What? Yeah, his mama tried to kill him with her Cadillac. And she's sitting in the audience shaking her head, saying, I show dead. The prophet said, and I do it again. They had a story about my grandmother said that my uncle got really tough. They put him in a croaker sack, took him out in the country of Arkansas, and left him and said, you figure it out.

Okay.

Well, we're not encouraging child abuse here in Colorado. I appreciate you, man. I gotta take a break. It's time to protect the services out. I don't know if the statute of limitations up on that y'all. So especially if your mom is still living. That's real mom. Jesus. Look we had today. Yeah. Okay. We're there. Okay. You listen. I don't feel no better.

All right, welcome back to Community Voice. Boy, Tyrone, you get no love in the chat, man. You get no love in the chat at all, man. Somebody said, get your credit right. Somebody said, I don't even know. That's a good question. I guess we could Google it, huh?

Call a welcome to the program Good morning, how are you? Okay What'd you call it?

You know and you know why I began to look like people always the exorcist remember they use green pea soup What is the rena center

No, she's not somebody else's car. Well, yeah, uh, that's not like a rent a center came to pick up big money. Hey, give me my merchandise. Catchy jingle for rent a center commercials usually ending with the famous rented the day on it tomorrow and no credit, no problem lines. It wasn't recorded by a famous charting artist.

Instead those classic TV commercial jingles and both sort of was produced by advertising agency working with rena center like mindshare international so Yeah, so no who it was Tyrone back. Yeah, he's back Good morning Hey Good morning Once twice three times

Lionel Richie or Kenny Roger write that song? I think Lionel Richie did that, didn't he? Kenny Rogers did it though, didn't he? Three times a lady. That's what you think of a different Renaissance center or a specific zone named Renaissance center, like the rap trap by underground artist Stop 6J and Big Keybowl.

Well, a whole lot of thought comes into coming up with some of these rap names, man. Bobo and Nell. What? Who was Nunu? Who was Nell? Yeah, Big Leap. Right. Big Leap. Big Leap. Big Leap. Big Leap. Call her over to the program. Hey, brother, I just want to clarify.

That was 1969, 70. So, you know, my mother was the sole support of my family. So when she got sick, and she didn't believe in God and ask for help. You know, she was one of those, whatever happens here stays here. And you better, we better figure it out. And you can't go ask for help. You can't tell nobody. And it was a rough nine months. And it just made me realize that being poor was hazardous to your health.

and I needed to finish high school. So that made, that was my impetus to make sure I finished high school in 1970 that I never thought I'd live like that. Cause my mother was a pretty famous business person until she got sick and then that was it. You know, we couldn't, we didn't have no support. And so.

So you just kind of learn some things but you know I'm 74 now and if you don't forget that I don't forget it. I remember I'm always sympathetic to what happens to people because I've experienced it even though that was 50 plus years ago. I still experience something in my life that was traumatic but made me understand that ain't nothing guaranteed but you and you better do it. Right you know and when you talk about that I know we had an incredibly rough year

67 going into 68. Ooh. Yeah. It was tough for us, man. It was tough. It was. And you remember there were no programs yet. No. And so, and my mother would, and she was working, but it was three to feed and trying to figure that out and one getting a lot of help and it wasn't until, ooh, man, 68.

when I got Social Security, and that made it a little bit easier. But no, you're right, man. And, you know, sometimes those tough times make us better people. Yeah, I do. Hopefully it teaches you how to appreciate when you do have, because when you don't have, or... Yeah, it most definitely teaches you to persevere. Yeah, it makes you persevere, but it also teaches you

about life in society. I mean, when you're 12, 13, 14 years old, you don't go and like, what does this all mean? And then you look around you, and in them days, you know, like we said, I don't even, she think cheese, none of that stuff was available yet. Nothing was, you had to, you had to figure it out. I remember shoveling snow so I could have money and all. We can't wait to win again here. You're right. Just to make that little money.

Yeah, and then you know, you just you appreciate I appreciate and then and then you know some of the times, you know, it was the bottles, you know, the soda bottle. Oh, yeah. Money for that. So you go by your neighbor and you need your bottle. You take all you can't send a bottle. You get a garbage bag. That's why I never can't send a bottle.

Yeah, I'm never laying. I'm never having such a sad face I went up to big kids and I said they looked at me They said you wanna you want a pig sandwich boy? Yeah. Yeah, I could use one. So what kind of sandwich? Pig sandwich. He should call it. He's called it a pig sandwich. So it was like all chopped up and stuff. Do y'all remember that recycling place? I think it was on Funderland.

that everybody used to go to Saturday mornings, man, they used to take the garbage bags full of cans and bottles up to this place. Yeah, my daddy used to go there. Yeah, when bottles still had value, you knew that. Man, that's great. No, it was just a different city. And you know, you were compressed, because you know, 60-some, I don't think, but not many people who had moved out of the city.

Yeah, we're only about 10% of the population. Right, and you know, you still kind of operated in that, because I remember we got in a fight with some light boys in western 35th Street, because we went up there and somebody got hit, and we decided we going up on the other side of 35th Street to take them all until we got there. And all of a sudden, the bottles of acid started flying at us, and we said, well, that's it for that.

I used to, and I pushed back on this when people would go, we was polling, we didn't know it, then you wasn't at Pope. Right. Because when you, you know you're Pope. Well, now you might have ate everything. You might not understand that support.

I understood I was poked. So you probably understood that you didn't have. Same difference. Well, well now that we know it's the same difference. No, I knew them the same difference. I knew poked. I knew the day before mama's payday was po day, right? Oh man, that Wednesday before Thursday County payday. Oh, but when payday came, Clark. Oh, Lord would payday came. Oh, check cash in. Oh, that stuff yet. So you had to figure out you better have a.

a relationship with a bank, or you better be able to go to the to the policy man and say, can you cash this? On the corner store, we have other options in the community to cash checks and find some money. But Tyrone, you said something, man, that I heard this during the World Cup. And he said, you know, what did he say? You run harder when you're hungry. When you're hungry, you run harder.

And so that's what it does. Appreciate you. I think this next call got guests coming in. Carl, welcome to the program. Good morning. Good morning. I just want to ask about have you heard from Rick from Germany? No. Remember the guy who called from Germany all the time? No. Yeah, I heard from him. All right. Yeah, he was on my mind last night. I called

Stingley it's good to talk with him last night. Oh correct. Yeah, and Somebody said tough times build character. Yeah, it no and and I wouldn't have And I know there are people who had it far worse than me, you know, and that I'm always mindful of and I just feel like I Try not to be superstitious on this

I don't believe God has favorites, but I do believe that I have benefited from grace and I've benefited from opportunities. And so, you know, just be appreciative. Very few of us are self-made people, right? It's been somebody who

picked up the slack when I was young and my mother was pregnant with my brother uh she knew how difficult it was going to be and so then she sent me to live in the south with my uncle and aunt the people did it all the time thank god i had an uncle and aunt who who who could be there to really help my mom so we you know i i um

We can be hard on people but Tyrone said something he said his experience helped him to be empathetic of other people's experience And I think that sometimes we can be so judge judgmental of other people all of us have made mistakes all of us have failure we've had success and so that that's that's And there are times you know that you know, I certainly I agree for our people but

Also, I understand that, thank God for the Creator, that many of us are where we are today and are where we should be, the answer's probably no, but in terms of where we used to be, and that's why I think, and with all her thoughts, thank God for the Black Church, because for many of us, it really was the Black Church.

that, you know, got us through what we had to do. And again, I'm not saying it was perfect, it wasn't, it had human beings. But when you think about it, and church's religion is a mutually benefiting society that we come together as community to help one another in community. People, if you read in Acts 2, I think two or three, they talk about the formation of what we now call the church. One of the things you saw there was community concern.

for those who are the least among them and to me that that is that should be the crust of what Christianity is that what do we do for those who are the least among us? This is one thing we can criticize people and talk about there the judgments and the things in life that they made but then I've also made some decisions and I've also made some choices and they weren't the best choices and so just kind of be mindful.

That you know, and I don't hope it doesn't it's not racist when you say when you have to walk in another man's moccasins But I think when you have to walk in another person's shoes And kind of understand their life experience because a lot of times you can't look at me and know what I've gone through You know, I think that is somebody said I look better than my testimony You know that because there's a lot and we just learned how to adjust and adapt

That's what human beings do. That's how we survive. But hopefully, as George said in the chat, it builds character. Carla, welcome to the program. Good morning. Good morning. Now, I know you said you don't feel God help. I'm going to be honest with you. I think he got his favors, and I think he color struck. Because what I don't understand why is always the good work got to go. But the ones who from the time they had that bill of code.

who was not good at all on Earth, even before they were getting ready to rock like Micahs, before they take their last breath and final breath. They are allowed to prosper. They're allowed to keep up all this blue sugar honey ice tea. But the ones who are always good people, they never did nothing wrong. They always got to go. So I said, well, hell, why you always, why you always saying he's no good bastard?

And then I said, yeah, I'm like, are you supposed to be Drs. Chocolate? Drs. Knight? Drs. Firestone? Tiles? What a hole, ain't it? Come on. But then when it comes to these worlds doing all this stuff, you ain't got nothing to say. You don't got nothing to do. You ain't matching no wine. You ain't bringing no hair and chaos. So I'm like, well, is you stuck on colors? You color struck?

Are you at the band table? Because you know a lot of people think like that. And I know you can't be bad at black people for living in cities where he was created out of fear to keep their mind. His mama was under age with me, whoever created him was a pedophile, okay? So I'm trying to figure out, I think he got his papers. When you look at all these good people who have been nothing but a blessing to this world.

They always gotta suffer, but these no good bastards out here, especially the ones who deal so much dope, so much crack, they body dead, but they still walking, breathing. Shoot, they outlive him and know what's up. Well, and that probably speaks more to the randomness of life than God having favorites. Well, I'm just trying because, you know, I'm some good people.

There's good people who live a long life. There's some really awful people who live a long life. But there's a lot of people that are not living long lives, good or, I mean. Okay, but it's always them, no good raggedy, ratchet, low down, jump down, got kicked out of the cemetery, but they always find a way to help them. Because you know they said, God, all you got to do is add forgiveness.

And I'm like, if all you got to do is add forgiveness, why would I want to go to heaven? Because if he was throwing tables and chairs, I'll throw a fist and do it. Let me say this. Everybody talk about going to heaven. Nobody wants to die.

but here's the deal. It is not about just saying you're sorry, it's about changing the behavior that caused you to have to say that you're sorry. It's a two-step process, and as good people go like, say, I'm sorry, what did you go say, I'm sorry, and then turn around and do the same thing. What does sorry mean? Sorry means nothing. So that idea that I recognized my awful behavior, I apologize for the people I offended or I hurt, but then I have to change myself.

Because if not, I'm going to be back at the very same behavior that required. But do you feel that she popped out when they say, well, I got saved and God forgive me. No, I'm not. Did you hear what I just said? I understand it. But what I'm saying is when people say I got saved, I say, well, the reason you got saved when you said God forgive you because God don't talk back. Well, I think people, whatever that is, that that and here I'm going to use this term, this catechism where you believe religiously. That's great.

The bottom line is if I committed a wrong, I'm sorry for the wrong. The next step for me is to then change the behavior that contributed to the wrong. That's the piece of it that we missed. There's some people come up and say, I'm sorry and go right back to doing the same thing. You missed a step. And the hard part is not sometimes saying, I'm sorry. The hard part is the change that I have to make because that's the behavior you shouldn't.

You know, after a while, what would money might say? Don't don't be sorry. Be careful. Yeah, you know, you know, you know, that that's that's the behavior on me. And that's the part of religion that's hard for people where where it says I have to fix me. I'm going to fix now is the problem is not fixing me fixing now. The problem is me fixing Keith. Well, I think I want I don't understand the answers.

How can you throw tables and chairs up in heaven because people were hard with the fallen angels? But you can't throw nothing on them for these black people. I hear the other piece of it and you're talking about this, this whole idea of heaven and heaven. Cause what are you, cause what are you going to? I don't, I don't know. I think you had, I think you had a couple of them. But you know what, but that gets to this, you know, people, and this is really a strong theological strain among black people.

We talked so much about heaven and hell. Oh, we we spent an enormous amount of time talking about heaven or hell Okay, now first of all the Bible talks about death and resurrection All right Judaism is based on resurrection or death is not based on heaven or hell heaven and hell the concept of heaven and hell was developed

during the dark ages, early Christianity. Here's the point I'm trying to make. It is not where, you know, people, we do it where we make the appeal for people to join the church, where you're going to spend your eternity, but it's also before you get to eternity, you have to deal with the finiteness of this life. That's where we struggle. If you're doing this to get the heaven, which I think is a very interesting motivation, as opposed to I'm doing it because I'm convinced that it is right to do.

That's a higher context of living so it's so easy to say I'm going to heaven Okay, you may or may not but what happens until you go to heaven because that's what we're dealing with now We're dealing with my awful behavior now not what's gonna happen once I die All right, but don't you okay going real so so what if you get to heaven and you find out it's our hell and Actually hell is probably better than heaven. I don't know

I ain't so much. I ain't so much worried about that right now. I'm trying to figure out how I'm gonna get back to 2815. All right. Have a good one. All right, man. Peace. With these gas prices. I know. I don't know how you gonna get back to heaven right now. All right. We're gonna be right back. All right. Welcome back and

I think we're running the ads for Dialogues and Documentary, the Dialogues and Documentary Film Festival, sponsored by Milwaukee Film, running from September 24th through the 27th, and we're honored to have in studio again one of those, Mr. Tai Williams, who is the Black Wind Programmer slash curator of these different films.

And so there's five films that he wanted to highlight today in terms of the dialogue. So talk about this dialogues documentary festival. What does that look like? Yeah, so our dialogues documentary festival is a festival we have running for about three, four days from the 24 to the 27th. And the focus with this festival is to show documentaries that spark a dialogue. So different conversations to be had, different topics.

that essentially, like I said, spark a dialogue and get you thinking about different ideas that you may have not been privy to thinking about or maybe were in the back of your mind that you haven't thought about as intensely. So I want to highlight five films that I think are worth your time and are part of the Black Lens category under the Dialogs Festival. But yeah, it's a great fest. If you like documentaries and if you just like thinking about stuff, then it's definitely worth your time. And a good documentary really does elicit a certain thought, right? Questions or?

You know, it makes you want to dig deeper into the subject. Absolutely. So the first film that you want to highlight is? Yeah, it is Alicia Keys' Girl from Hell's Kitchen. I really, really enjoyed this film because I know Alicia Keys, you know Alicia Keys. I'm sure most of us do, but I had never really heard about her life's journey before. And this chronicles from her as a young girl all the way up into her Broadway show, Hell's Kitchen, which is about

her story as a girl growing up in young pal's kitchen and the angle that this documentary takes is mostly about the fact that she was such a or is such a prodigy uh with music and the fact that her outward reflection didn't really sort of match what her talents were or at least to

society they were like well obviously a girl from Hell's Kitchen can't play the piano really well and be a great singer and have this beautiful melody inside of her and she sort of proved everybody wrong and this is a story all about that so I think it's very much about what happens when talent is placed within black bodies and sort of the reaction that people have to that sometimes. So if you've ever been to New York Hills kitchen is in Manhattan around Midtown and it's right on the Hudson River

Tough neighborhood as a matter of fact thing showtime is doing the showtime of stars doing called something called the Westies Which is talking about hell's kitchen and how tough a neighborhood and she's being biracial Am I correct? Yes? Yes? That's another aspect that she talks about as well where she has to live between these two worlds of being biracial and being seen as a prodigy but also not good enough so

Very interesting stuff in this documentary, which I was not expecting just from Alicia Keys. Not that she's not amazing, but just, you know, you would never expect her to go through so much. One of our next film is... Heavy is the Crown. It was highlighting Milwaukee community activist Vaughn Mays. I believe you already know Vaughn Mays. He was only talking about it. Was it yesterday, day before yesterday? And was that the directors with him? Yeah. Yeah. Oh, awesome.

Well, yeah, this is just going through his work in the community and all the things that he's helped facilitate throughout Milwaukee as well as the cycle of violence and systemic neglect that happens in Milwaukee. Vaughn may seem super cool just through this documentary I watched about him. I haven't met him myself yet, but the amount of care that he puts into the community of Milwaukee is the main thing on display here and as well as like all the different ways that we as Milwaukeeans can get involved alongside Vaughn to help our communities be a better place.

It's a really, really cool documentary, and we're doing the world premiere. So this hasn't shown anywhere else yet, and this is the only place you can watch it first. Is there going to be a talk back? There is going to be a talk back with the filmmaker Q&A, and I believe Vaughn Mays will be there, possibly. It's also going to be preceded by a short film made by the youth at Arts at Large. So a movie talking about the community with also another film made by the community. So really cool stuff.

And that will be screened Sunday, September 27th at 4.30 p.m. at the Oriental Theater, the Abley Cinema. And let's go back to the screening of Alicia Keys. Her screening of Girls from Hills Kitchen will be Thursday, September 24th, 7 p.m. down the theater North Cinema. Okay, what else you got? Yeah, so next we have Once Upon a Time in Harlem.

This is by one of my favorite documentarians, William Greaves. He makes a lot of really interesting works. I believe we showed one of his films for the Last Dialogues Festival. But he does a lot of sort of just people watching, letting people talk, be themselves, but within different contexts that are very interesting. His big movie, Symbio Psychotaxoplasm, is him filming a film crew. That's filming a film crew. That's filming a film crew. It's all about what is a movie.

And this once upon a time in Harlem is sort of about getting all these luminaries, these like really, really, really important people in the Black Harlem Renaissance and putting them in one room and just letting them talk and have a conversation. And it just gets really deep and all into the history and legacy of art and all the different perspectives that these people had in this time in the Renaissance of Harlem. Just their perspectives. I think this is a very interesting thing to watch. It feels like being a fly in a wall in a room that you would want to be in.

but because William Greaves was the documentarian that he is, we're able to see this footage that we would have otherwise just not seen because this comes out 10 years after his death too. So when it says this is done in 1972, were these people who were part of the Harlem Renaissance back in the 30s, or were they talking about the New Harlem Renaissance? I believe they were talking about the New Harlem Renaissance. We have some notable figures like Arna Bautemps, Noble Sissle, James,

Vindersie and a few others, but I believe that's the new Harlem Renaissance They and there's a documentary Was it the summer soul It was based on 1969 it was a music festival they had in Harlem two weeks either before two weeks after Woodstock mm-hmm

And it was saying that Harlem was making a real renaissance in terms of 72 was pretty tough for Harlem. In terms economically, what was going on there. So, okay. And William Greaves was a great documentarian. Yeah, absolutely. All right. And we did the screen on that. That will be Friday, September 25th at 8.15 Oriental Theater, the Hearstfeld Cinema. Yes, yes, yes.

Next, we have Soul Patrol. It is about the Vietnam War's first black special operations team, and they all get together and reunite to tell their stories and sort of, you know, reminisce on what their time in the war was like. It is kind of similar to William Greaves' documentary in the sense that it's part watching people just have a conversation and sort of being a fly on the wall experiencing that with them. And another part is reenactments.

as well as vintage photography and just personal reflections so you kind of get all different angles of what everyone's experience was like and I feel like it goes through most if not all of the soldiers that are present so you really do get a rich retelling of the you know blacks the first black special operations team like everything that they were about and what they had to go through.

Yeah, this is just a really really well made documentary also like the craftsmanship in this and how it was all put together is just Really really well done very much worth your time even if you think you've seen a million Vietnam War documentaries This one is definitely one to keep an eye out for and that's scheduled the screen Saturday, September 26 at 2 p.m. Oriental Theod and her socks. Yes. Yes. Yes

Alrighty, and then the last one I have for you is the Lorraine. This is the one that I'm the most excited about is by Sam Pollard and it's telling the story of the Lorraine Motel, which is also known as the place where Reverend Martin Luther King Jr. was assassinated. This document goes through the hotel owner's experience and just sort of the making of the hotel motel and all the people who came by and visited and their experiences with Dr. King Jr.

and it also goes through the time in which he was assassinated and the time after and how there's a lot of debate on what the Lorraine should be and this place of great trauma if it even should be left standing or if it's right to repurpose into something else and now today it's the National Civil Rights Museum so they did repurpose it obviously but there was a lot of discussion during the time of like what are we supposed to do with places of trauma

and how do you actually repurpose them? What do you do? I don't know if it's so much to the rain hotel as they did also maintain the rooming house. Yeah. Where James, James Earl Ray shot Dr. King. Now, if I thought anything should come down, it would be that rooming house and you can actually go through looking at it. It's, um, I would suggest to people, certainly if you go to Memphis, they're, they're two must sees. Obviously the civil rights, um,

Museum and the remain Lorraine motel, but also the stacks Yeah, yeah stacks museum because it talks a lot and that that is what do you do? with certain symbols or things that represent like More of a general thing They haven't torn down the book Repository in Dallas. Oh, right. Yeah, I mean it's still there as part of so I think

If you ask me, I think we need to hold on and maintain those. You know, never forget. Yeah, absolutely. That's why this is such an interesting documentary because there are so many different angles of this conversation that I just would have never thought of had I not watched this. And I think even now, why this is so good in terms of the conversation is that there's a sense of, not sense, it's actually happening, where they're wiping out

Parts of American history. Mm-hmm. Right trying to create a more sanitized version I think if you're a historian, you know, you you don't go in trying to say oh, we're trying to find the good you go and find the good and the bad and sometimes The bad is pretty bad. It's also part of the story. Absolutely. Absolutely because most of us wouldn't have known about the Lorraine motel Had it not been that Dr. King was assassinated there. Yeah

You know say if he he was assassinated another part of the city then it wouldn't have It would have been but I think that it's good and get a good documentary should it listen thought and questions Yeah, and maybe even debate absolutely. You should be able to have at least one conversation after you see a film is my my philosophy All right, these are these are the five you cure curate it. Yeah

And these are the ones that I'm most excited about as well. I mean, there's some other really, really, really good documentaries in here, too. But those are the ones that really, really caught my eye. There was one here that you said it was, let's put that in, obviously, The Exodus. Yeah. Oh, and this is Panamania. If you've ever been to Panama, who?

Panama is an interesting country because there's Europeans They're the indigenous people and then they're the African people and How that little piece of land there, you know, and it's a land bridge from, you know, what would be North America into South America? Columbia But what does life in prison look like and here's the other thing Well, we were in Panama. We were going on we went on this tour

and the city original Panama Canal. And so as we're going to one of the first stops on the tour, we see this motorcade. It was the president of Panama leaving prison to go to work in Panama City. That's crazy. That's crazy. You know, you but it's it's it's two different how descendants of Africans got there was one through enslavement.

But the other way was the West Indians who came to help build the original Panama Canal And so you have so anyway, that's one that stepped out again people want to Get passes or tickets for this. Yeah, you can go to MKE film org slash DDF And it'll have all these films that we just talked about as well as every single film listed for the festival Highly recommend that you just take a look

Uh, even if you aren't necessarily interested in the ones that I highlighted, there's something in here for you. I promise you. So take a look mkfilm.org slash gdf. And someone said, can you leave some pamphlets at the station? Young man. Absolutely. Absolutely. Two of these premieres caught my attention. If not, so I can take a look at, you can also go to the website, right? Yep. Yep. You can go straight to the website and get your passes there, get your tickets there.

or you can head inside to the theaters for someone who likes to do things the O.G. way and just walk in and buy your tickets there. Again, the Dialogs Documentary Festival sponsored by, presented by Milwaukee Films, and it runs from September 24th through to 27th. Again, we'll leave some here so people can start by picking up some of the pamphlets here. You can also go to the website, give them the website again.

mkfilm.org slash DDF. That's always good, man. Yeah, likewise. Thank you so much for having me again. Quick question. This little inside baseball. So do you travel all over the country for these screenings or how do you? No, since we're in the future now. So we have we're in 2026 now. So basically anything you can think of exists. But lots of times they come. These films come to us virtually.

from people all across the country or across the world. Hopefully, within the next year, I will start traveling across the country so I can go see these films in person, but not quite yet, yeah. Yeah, I didn't realize that one of my co-workers, her sister, was a lawyer in the entertainment business, and she worked with the academy. And this is when I found out

That they send out then now it's done differently in the link, but they sent they sent out see CDs not CDs. No, what would be DVDs of films? Yeah, yeah, and so so people can vote on and she gave me a copy of black dynamite Wow, that's fun. Yeah, I mean and so I saw black dynamite before It was theatrically released. Oh, it's awesome And then I went to see it theatrically me and eight other people

I missed a great movie. Black Dynamite is a great movie. It's a great movie. But then I found out, oh, of course, how could they vote on it if they haven't seen the film? But now it's through, what, links? Yeah, through links and emails and whatnot. I mean, some people, I'm sure there's somebody out there who submits their film still through DVDs. That's still a thing you can do. It's just less good for yourself, getting less eyes on it, probably.

Appreciate you, man. Mr. Ty Williams, Milwaukee Film Dialogs Documentary Festival. It starts on September 24th and runs through the 27th. Again, you can go to milwaukeymkefilm.org slash ddf to get more information and get your tickets. Appreciate you, man. Thank you so much for having me again. All right. You're listening to Community Voice. We're going to take a quick break and we'll be right back.

So, I am talking about none other than Dwayne Davis, known as Keith E.D. out here in these streets, who, you know, has bragged and talked about for years that he orchestrated Tupac Shakur's death in retaliation for a beatdown that was suffered by his nephew. And it's so funny because, you know...

You are here in these streets trying to sell a book. You want some street cred? I mean, I did it. You openly talk about, yeah, I had some done to him. I handed off the gun to get you know, to take them out. And it's like, so you said all of that. And then when these folks 30 years later, because it is 30 years that Pac has been dead. That boy was only 25, 26 when he got killed.

30 to be 56 right now. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Okay. Don't start that. Nah, he go because boy, you know, but you you you spent all this time, you know, went on shows telling people I did it. I did it. Yeah. And then when they look at you and say, yeah, you about to catch this life in jail.

And you own down now you look crazy tomorrow. I didn't I was just trying to get, you know, some publicity. I was trying to sell my book. No, bro, you're going to. Tomorrow is the 25th anniversary of 9 11. Donald Trump has been lying his whole life about his actions on 9 11. Donald Trump.

First of all, he lied and said he went to a whole bunch of memorial services for his friends. No one can document any memorial service that Donald Trump publicly attended for anybody. Nobody can document one. There are no pictures. There's no signing guest book. There's no video folks coming in out. There's nobody that can put him at. Oh, I lost hundreds of friends in 9 11 and I went to so many more. Nobody can document any of it. And so.

His nephew, Fred Trump, the third. Came out and said, I just can't take it no more. Now I don't try to hold my peace with this man. He is lying. He completely. Disputes. He said, did you want even there? Like you are completely. They said.

Some people said, why did you even say something for it? He said, quote, it so offends me that I need to speak out and clear the air regarding the exaggerated or false narratives. Fact checkers and reports from outlets like people noted that there is no evidence supporting Trump's version of events while the liars in the White House defended the statement as a reflection of experiences during a citywide crisis. What kind of wire salad is that?

with your host, Keith Parris. Welcome back, Carl. We thank you for your patience. Welcome to the program. Good morning. Hello, Carl. It's just kind of singing on it. Negro spirituals. It's kind of moaning.

So what happened we automatically Wow, let me do let me I think I saw it when when Clark gets back out as we pull up the chat but Someone had asked me

something in the chat and I wanted to I wanted to respond to to that Hey Clark, can you pull up the chat? All right, all right, don't forget to tour LeMond Owens College in Memphis too and purchase some merch HVCU trolling Keep going. There was something Georgia put in

Let's see. Well, you kind of scrolled and then left it there. Someone said the Stax Museum was worth the time. It really is. It's a great tour. Have you been there? No, I've never been there. As a musician, you're going to love it. I mean, just they have a film clip of a young Shirley Caesar, so young she has acne. That's how young she is in that.

in that film clip. They had one of, yeah, they had one of Isaac Hayes' cars there. But when you just think about Stax Records and what it was, and I think they, you know, where Motown was the music of young America, they were the soul of America. And I was telling a friend, I think I told you all this, I was out at Recordhead and they have a, I don't know how many,

It's a multi-record set of the original recordings from Wattstacks. But they want $107 bucks for it. I don't know. I'm not that big of an audiophile. Man, I mean, 10, 15, 20 years from now, that $107 is going to be... Yeah, I mean, if I did that, you know, one of the things for me is like when, you know, if I get... I'm not down there enough to really do the vinyl.

I do this man as always I Start off with the list like what what are the greatest albums of all time and then if I can get that work back with the different artists with that and then You know because really When I really came of age People were doing less and less vinyl. Yeah, and we were going into cassettes CDs and

Now we're streaming. Caller, welcome to the program. Good morning, Mr. Harris. Brother Christopher. Awesome, I'm welcome. Thank you for taking my call. I finally put something in the rearview. I don't know how long it might stay in the rearview. It might keep up on me.

At least I know if I'm traveling and I'm driving, I don't have to feel the heat of the police bike like on the neck, going back and forth. So I got my court still situated for the most part. I'm happy about that. And, you know, not that it's a big of a dream. But I've been actually going to court over some stuff. There's some people who used to live in the house and make the doors that they were doing.

They had parties that would, that college parties couldn't even come close to. I mean, they was partying from 7 p.m. to 7 in the morning. I'll be like, wow, you couldn't even get off the block or you, they was racing the cars and everything. And I'm like, I remember us going to house parties and stuff like that, but we didn't carry my own carry on. We were trying to keep our little stuff.

on a level because we knew that if we did too much, the police is gonna come in there and probably bust us upside the head. You know what I'm saying? So, but now it's like everybody pays so much attention and it's like attention is a drill for people. And it's like they just, if the people don't get actualized or validated or some form of recognition or acknowledgement, I think it emotionally perturbs them. I think it puts them in some type of,

mental disposition where they might not be able to function. You know, I'm like, you're supposed to have self-actualization. When you wake up in the morning, and then you look in the mirror, you bathe and clean yourself up to present yourself to the rest of the people in the world, you have actualized your arms, so by acknowledging that you still breathe in. And if you give thanks to something great in yourself, that's even more better. So, I mean, I don't know, but this is why I really call it.

All right, people talking about the current hero and a guy called him or brought him into existence. And I just wanted to say this. The Honorable Minister Lewis Ford Conn said this about the society that we live in, or this world, this current system of things. He said that God wanted us to see what evil given power would give a rise to. Now, you have to parse those words.

The reason this world is so based in evil is because God wanted us to see how magnificently deplorable the evil would be that we would be so object to ever wanting to return to any version of it. And that's why we are seeing the fall of this system of things. So if they think God brought him into existence, surely these biological manifestations

And God, a lot has something to do with that. And John the Minister Lewis Farron said that this man might be the last one. And that you all know, hopefully, and in one of his last addresses, public addresses, he spoke about the war of Armageddon that it has begun. This man will not be able to wrangle in anything because the nature of a divider is just that. A thing might be

in contention against its nature, but whatever your nature is determines what you will do. A bee might dress up like a butterfly, but it's not going to be a butterfly. And a bee can't even dress itself. So think about that. Thank you.

I uh, I was I don't know if you all have seen the David Crowley commercial when he's at the house with the kids Yeah, and I'm going man. My house could never be in a commercial That looked very very nice, I mean yeah, man I said I want is that their house but couldn't put my house in any commercials Okay Thank You happiness doughnuts

George asked about what happens at church when you call God a she George I don't think he do it at church Yeah, yeah, Bible's thrown at him blessed oil and pews So that's a good question keep Um, that's full transparency. I

I try to stay away from gender-specific references to the Creator. I try to. Sometimes poetry is, I might use him, but I try to stay away from gender-specific descriptions of the buying one of the Creator of God.

I'm not and I'm not running from it. No, I'm gonna and I find it again and I tell folks that You we have been so programmed to hear things from a certain perspective But we then do what is called here's the big word for it and throw for morphinism Where we put human characteristics on the divine that's the shorthand

definition of what we do. God is neither male nor female. And though the Bible might reference to God in the male tense, that's because males wrote it. In Islam, God does not have a gender. All I'm saying to you is God is bigger than gender. Now y'all can argue. You can go on. But I want you to think about what you're arguing.

Right you arguing from a perspective of programming not from a perspective of reason and thought Okay, so That's just me But I know how we in is hard because all the literature not all but a lot of the literature refers to God as him and and then that gets into this whole Patriarchy it gets into white supremacy. There's a whole lot, but we accept it. That's okay. That's okay

I don't think God is tripping on what what what we call God or how we try to describe God But that's just me so what I do is I try to stay away from gender specific References caller welcome to the program Yes, sir Okay

gender-specific when it comes to Allah, God. The only effeminate aspect is with the attributes about Allah. So I don't know about, and I know about this when it comes to Christianity, it's so that he walked, he talked, he said, he heard, he, and just because a man or these Caucasian people over in Europe, or whoever they were,

to things and apply their perspective to it. That does not negate the actual fact that God is a man. He cannot be anything other than a man because the man is the most dominant force on the planet earth. And you can point to the white man just to show you that. He exercises the ability of a God like a human being because he does things

that, how do you say, it boggles the mind of the former slave masters, the former chattel enslaved individuals, the people that we ale from. So when I hear you say that, and then you are a person who is representative of some form of faith, I would say for you that you can speak as you wish or desire.

But there are, you know, because there is cause and effect that is always in effect. And that's why we are part of the nation of Islam. We have to think before we speak and we utilize actual facts. And the most honorable R.J. Mohamed said that God cannot be, he can be nothing less than a man. And if he is less than that, then he's nothing. But Christopher, I don't care who he is. I don't care about. I put God on the same level.

as human beings. Let's, can we do this from, can we do this from etymology? That in Semitic language, Hebrew and Arabic, when is the it, it defaults to a male gender.

It may be in specific. I'm making the argument. I am making the argument that God is not a man and or woman. That's the argument I'm making. And he created the woman as the help me for man. That was a second. God is a spirit. God is a spirit of God. I know he's not Mr. Pierce. Are you a spirit, Mr. Pierce?

Jesus said the God was a spirit. Those who worship him worship him in spirit and in truth. Wait, wait, hold on, hold on. Wait, wait, Chris, Chris, hold on, hold on. Chris, hold on. So y'all can sit up here, y'all can sit up here and get into it. I'm sorry, Chris. No, no, because here's my frustration.

You're arguing about language. No, I am frustrated because you're arguing about language usage. Wait. And if you talk about language usage, then that means you have to do the etymology. Etymology is study of the words. God is a spirit. God is neither male nor female. But Keith, I'm not God. Christopher, Christopher, hold on. Hold on. Hold on one second. Let me say Keith. I am not God. Keith, hold on.

You just see you're all God. He's another most high God. Hold on one second. I can I can put all of this in a nutshell. You just said something. You just you just said something that Jesus said, right? Keith, right? And yes. Okay. So, hold on. Jesus also said my father, which is in heaven, he also said

Uh, uh, uh, he, he, he, I just told you. Wait, wait, no, but you just said what Jesus said. I just told you in the language. What you just said about it? And he, and he, and he, and he, and he, and he, and he, and he, and he, and he, and he, and he, and he, and he, and he, and he, and he, and he, and he, and he, and he, and he, and he, and he, and he, and he, and he, and he, and he, and he, and he, and he, and he, and he, and he, and he, and he, and he, and he, and he, and he, and he, and he, and he, and he, and he, and he, and he, and he, and he, and he, and he, and he, and he, and he, and he, and he, and he, and he, and

I'm not gonna be charged based on the fact that I said God is not

God is not male or female. You are misleading people. That's the truth. And if the truth is misleading in your mind, it is the truth. Is God male or female? Will be on your hand. Is God a human male or female? God is a human male or female? What is a being, Mr. Parris? What is a being? The being depends on what you're applying being to. What is a being, Mr. Parris? Being. Is God male or female? Yes, he's a male.

All right, then that's your purpose. You have to write to believe that. No, that's the actual fact. It's not a fact. That's not a fact. That's not a fact. You are in belief. That is not a fact. And belief is based in lies. You achieve your lies to your belief. That is not a fact. That is not a fact. Mr. Perry, it's a fact because I exist in my head. Based on what? What scientifically? What scientific methods? Wait a minute, Christopher. Christopher, you talk about you. What scientific?

Methodology, did you do to prove that God is a male? I just asked you a question, what did you use? Because you just said it was a fact. So how did you establish it as a fact? No, that God is male. How did you establish it as a fact? You equate yourself to God?

I am the supreme being when it comes to other manifestations on this planet. Because I'm a human being. Last time I checked, you're not God. You are all God. No, we're not. No, we're not. And God only means possessor of power and force. Let me get the next call. I appreciate you, brother. Possessor of power and force. Here you go. You're not God. Carl, welcome to the program. You can say what you want to say. You ain't God. All right. Carl, welcome to the program. Yeah, you know better than that. I know better than what?

First of all, George, let me, let me, let me, did you hear, did you hear my response, George? No, I had to turn on YouTube. Okay. All right. So then you missed my response. I said that I tried to avoid using using gender specific as much as I can. Mr. Politician. God is trying to get around. That's what let me tell you there.

Let me tell you this, Keith. Pull it out in front of your congregation. George, George, you trying to, I could do that. Mark, congregation would probably have the same reaction you had. They'd have the same reaction you had. But here's the question. And here's the question I asked. Here's the question that I asked Christopher. Steve, Steve, we keep you ankle. You're ready to pull that way. You know what, George? If you want to believe that God is a man, go on and believe that, bro.

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Okay, you calling me and telling me that I'm wrong. I accept it. I accept it, George. You say I'm wrong. I'm wrong. Okay. You happy?

Well, that's not the point. No, it is the point. That's the point you're making. I just asked Christopher a question. I said, what scientifically did he do to prove that God was a man? See, what you're doing now is attacking me. No, hold on, no, no, no, you're attacking me. Can I referee this thing real quick? Wait, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on.

Now, if we are going to do Bible. No, we're not. No, we're not. Let me keep my argument. Wait. It's it's going to help you in your argument. No, it's not going to let me finish because if we are all created in God's image, God created male and female. OK, so we are all created in his image. I think we are having an argument about nothing because God created us.

And it's now when you wait, hold on, wait, just let me finish. Now, when you look at image, I can draw a picture of Keith, right? And show him a image of the picture that I've drawn. OK. That picture is a image of Keith, but it's not Keith. It's not him in the flesh, but it's a picture. It's an image of him.

So, okay, what I'm saying is God Thank you, this is what Keith would say God said

You can be proud to say it on WNOP. All I'm asking is... I just told you what I would say. I would say if you're trying to put me in that box, I would say that God said... Keith, you ain't gonna do that, are you? I'm not gonna do what? Say that God, when she said, this is my son whom I'm proud... You're not gonna do that, are you? If you do it on WNOP, I bet you ain't gonna do it in church. Okay. Are you?

Okay, we always keep are you? Well, if I'm gonna get this response, I guess I won't Oh, you know you won't okay, but that'll make y'all right. All right, bye. Okay That's all I had to do. That's all I want to know. These phone lines going crazy. Let me do the last call I got two minutes. Good morning. Good morning. Good morning. Yes, I like to say

God is neither male or female because we have limited minds. He is nothing like we can imagine. It says in the Holy Qur'an, they say, I am like nothing you can ever imagine. So we don't give pronouns to God because he's one unique. He's above what we can even imagine or think.

So to attribute anything that we can understand or comprehend, other than what he described himself as, when I say he, that only is for the purpose of you understanding who I'm talking about. No, no, no, no, no. Wait, wait, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on. No, because if you just said he, you just contributed him to being a man. Once again, once again, brother, just let me help you with this. Okay, then I won't say he. No, no, no. You are God and see what I'm saying.

But in Hebrew and Arabic, when something I use it, and I'm going to use a capital I, it, it naturally defaults to the male tense in the language. That's what it is. And so thousands of years of language usage is based on that. But the reality is God is bigger than gender.

Of course. That's what I say. You can't attribute. He works. And so when you, when you pick one over the other, which we're doing now, good, this is so we can understand God. That makes God personal. We say she, if you're wanting us, that's so we can understand it. But that's not what God is. He refers to himself as he. Right. Many verses refer when God is speaking, he refers to himself as he, when he's speaking through the prophets. Right.

so we only use he so I don't know just just to be able to understand who would stop it man so why god don't refer to himself as she i'm sure she was available like he was available no no no i can tell you why because she's one right in the bible no wait come on

I'm pulling out. If women were the dominant force, trust me, it would be in the feminine test of women were in a dominant position. Women are not. See how limited our minds are? That we can understand things. Do we put labels on it? No, no, no. That's not true because if you read what the word says, you wouldn't be able to understand anything. I gotta go. I gotta go. Okay. All right. Appreciate you, man. You are. Thank you, George.

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